Best looking EV out rn and one of the best looking sedans ever imo. And the engineering behind it is absolutely incredible. I'm happy this car exists even if I can't afford one!
@@yusufcanaktas6929 well good for u. "MilesPerHr" already did a community post asking which one would someone buy. A model s plaid,lucid air sapphire, or taycna turbo gt. 82% of the votes picked the taycan. Go check his community page and scroll down. Ur in the major minority. Everyone knows the taycan is by far the best luxury, best looking, best handling sedan EV on the market.
@jcat96 Just googled that And yeah, its a bit lighter. What blows my mind is that theres a 1000 pound difference between this m5 and the last one Feels like its the largest jump in vehicle weight between models
One of the best TST videos ever, well done. The Sapphire should be thought of as an example of what's possible with an EV. At that price they're not really worth buying as the enthusiast driving experience is going to be limited to drag racing. You could get the Air Touring and a GT3 for less than a Sapphire. And you should.
Lucid sales have started in Europe and are quickly picking up in Germany. I don't know if the Sapphire is shipping there for customers yet, but they have been seen testing on the Nürburgring. Track, alpine touring, and autobahn blasts should make for some Sapphire sales in Germany.
They may not admit it, but even EV hating car enthusiasts immediately understand how amazing the 3 motor system on this car must be. If I had the money I would have one in the driveway.
A car with an engine is like an instrument and a dance partner at the same time. Weight also makes a car less or more engaging. A 5,300 lb ev going around the track is nowhere near exciting as 992 GT3 or rx7 FD. This thing is simply fast because it probably has 1,200hp or more. Where it’s slow it just makes up on sweepers and straights.
@@bigjdm5460 did you watch the video? I wouldn’t buy a lucid as a track day car, but it would trounce a traditional sports car around a track if both drivers were average or below skill.
Air GT Owner, I have had mine for 1 year 7 months, and have yet to use the Nav system in the car. Not needed, but to complain about it when so many manufacturers are moving away from it seems petty and just a thing to gripe about just to gripe. The key/door lock / unlock feature is very simple, when you own one and deal with it each and every day you get used to how it works, and it is a non issue, but for someone who has one from time to time, I'm sure it is confusing....but in reality it isn't. BTW, you do give up range by getting the Sapphire. Personally I can't spend and additional $150K just to gain 1.2 seconds on a 0-60 and a top speed of 205, but give up over 50 miles of practical range. Range is King in an EV and to only focus on speed your are doing a dis-service to the concept of Long Range driving on an EV. I have never seen a single person who is thinking about making the switch ask...How fast is this 0-60....they always ask, what is the Range on a single charge. And that is the bottom line.....Range. Highway assist....You almost got it right regarding how it detects if your hand is on the wheel. It isn't a matter of position on the wheel, it is a matter of resistance on the wheel that the car monitors. If the car monitors resistance then it knows you are holding the wheel, if it doesn't detect resistance, then it will issue the warning that you should put your hands on the wheel and give it some force feedback to let it know you are there. So close to getting it right. ;) I did appreciate your acknowledgement that there is a learning curve on track racing an EV vs a ICE car....I think this was the critical mistake MotorTrend made with their recent Lucid Sapphire vs McLaren 750s Coupe on a track. We really do not have an abundance of EV track racers to really go up against cars like the McLaren 750s so we are left with the reviewers who are not experts making comparisons unfair as they may be vs an EV. However, by suggestion that just because you are not used to how a performance EV handles after a life time of driving ICE cars that an EV doesn't give that "recreational feel", is quite honestly a bias opinion on the subject without full knowledge of both platforms. Overall, I think you presented a nice review of the product and praised it where praise was due, but came down on it without full and complete knowledge of the platform as a whole. Take care and Good Luck!
What many people who are new to this channel and maybe motoring in general don't realize is that Matt Farrah has driven every type of fast car imaginable and then some. For several decades Matt has been driving hi performance vehicles to their limits and with all that unique experience has collated terabytes of extremely valuable data on every vehicles driving dynamics making Matt one of the only individuals on earth that can tell you the honest not holding back truth about vehicle brand X versus brand Y and the 10 reasons why you should purchase brand Z instead. Matt Farrah is like a walking talking encyclopedic knowledge base for all things AUTOMOTIVE PERFORMANCE plus so much more. This is precisely why newbies need sit up shut up and pay extra special attention to a car that MATT FARRAH himself is so incredibly impressed by. This is so exceptionally rare nowadays, he's driven so many truly exceptional cars outstanding cars that nothing impresses him anymore, until now
Thanks for the review Matt and Zack. As others have said, really want Lucid to survive as they make a seemingly well rounded product. Also, wow Sonoma looked so dry! Been a while since I was on track there(left the Bay Area a couple years ago) and I know they have had some heat waves lately, but still...that may be as dry looking as I have ever seen it.
Finally we're at the point where absurd levels of power are no longer a novelty and we can think about products that most people would actually want as their Daily. This also reinforces the continued need for great ICE driver's cars and sports cars - the kind of thing you can enjoy at a track for all of the qualities. We're actually in a true Golden Era for that too!
This video was fun. Hopefully Hyundai doesn't have any of their sound system/concept patented so Lucid can slap a similar system on their next track car. It needs a big sequential shifter stick.
5N style gears and sound are only an over-the-air update away, and would take the experience to the next level. I would be very surprised if they are not already working on it.
"after riding in some fast gas cars, I think I've forgotten how magical that is, and how important that is to the overall driving experience" Well said Zack!
I do love how usable an EV like this is, but honestly half the fun of crazy performance vehicles are the fact that they're psychotic 100% of the time. Sure they're not great 100% of the time, but they sure are wild. Still love this Lucid
As far as a track focused EV is concerned, I can start to appreciate the direction the Ioniq 5 N went regarding the added sound. Given the means, I would still go for the Air/Sapphire, which is the most complete car you can buy today. A lot of people will be shocked (no pun) just how good the Air is if they spend some time with it.
For what it's worth, I rented a Lucid Air on Turo late last year. 2023 car. With the systems fully on, it crossed a double yellow and nearly got into a head-on accident. I'm not really sure how it happened - I had to pull over and disable the lanekeep\autopilot before I continued driving because I utterly lost confidence in the system. In other news - I love the concept of the electrified trailer. Ali is a boss too, love this! Him moving the trailer by hand is fucking sick as, what a useful ability. And those FPV drone shots were pretty dope too.
@@AlexBerman1 I was not hands off. I don't know if the camera got blinded, it lost track of the road, whether I tugged it, I don't know. All I know is it drifted, I waited as I expected it to correct itself like it had previously... but it didn't.
@@lowstrife I was a test driver for a self-driving car company, and we were never "hands off" during that phase (testing on streets). One of the biggest problems with these systems is not necessarily the system itself (though some of them are pretty bad) but the fact that drivers are not trained in what to do when the car does something unexpected. Sometimes you can have a fraction of a second to not only react, but react correctly.
@@gordonmills2748 I don't think it's a training problem for me. I have lots of miles with Ford, BMW and Tesla's systems. I don't like any of them, but I've used them enough and watched enough FSD\Waymo videos to seperate myself above the village idiot. Generally speaking, the inconsistency of application of all of the systems is the worst part. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I agree about the average untrained driver though. They don't know how to handle system failures.
For a 5300lb sedan only having 265/35R20 at front and 295/30R21, this is amazing. Imagine if they focused on a lightweight 2 seater with big boy tires!
@@chiemekaa Im not worried about it. I know they have WAY more market segments to get into before they need to prove anything. The Plaid already proved itself. Still waiting on any legacy manufacture to make anything close to the daily drivable 1/4 mile monster Plaid as affordable as it is.
How crazy is it that this car weighs more than my 2023 F150 SuperCrew? Granted my F150 is a more basic 2wd model with a V8. But just in terms of curb weight this F150 comes in around 4,600 lbs vs 5,300 lbs.
It will get cheaper, it will get better and it will perform better than a gas car - eventually. The leap in EV performance from 10 yrs ago to today is nothing short of impressive.
Great video, as always! I'll preface my comment by mentioning we currently have a Taycan CT4S as our family truckster, so I am no stranger to EV's and their benefits. The Sapphire is an impressive exercise as a halo car and I'm glad it exists but I have zero interest in it. I'll take a 992TTS for similar money if I want something comfy and fast. That said, when I'm in the market for another EV, I'll definitely be looking at their Touring as it seems to represent a great value for a luxury sedan.
Not sure about this one specifically but most tractor trailers have 1 drive axle that is always on, the second drive axle is only used when you are on loose surfaces. Think of it like a 4 wheel low scenario. You don't run the second axle during normal use. So in this situation instead of 6 wheels or 3 drive axles it's only 2. 1 for the tractor and one for the trailer.
I think if they made the lucid sapphire a coupe, it would be very attractive for a person that doesn’t need to put people in the back, Porsche Taycan Turbo GT with Weissach package is the best compliment to this.
Canyon road or track gas car/toy is for the weekends imo. I'll take the MUCH more affordable Tesla S Plaid with the track pkg(mainly for the ceramic brakes) or Sapphire if I could afford one, for my crazy fast and practical daily driver/dragstrip racer.
how do we make these more fun? do you need to do what hyundai did with the ioniq 5 n? any formula E type stuff you could add? unsure... but either way... i don't track cars, would love to, do not... and I would love, love, love to own this... JUST got a tesla model 3 dual motor, was charging at a super charger and saw one of these drive by... they look proper to me! i like that if you really want to put your foot down anything disappears... among other things.
The performance is beyond any doubt, but it's the same price as a Bentley Flying Spur Speed... And EV vs combustion pros/cons aside, just as a 'luxury sedan' product, it's just not in the same class of vehicle. I think EV's are an especially compelling option in this sector more than any other, when you want a fast, quiet luxury vehicle. Rolls Royce have shown that, but it's just the rest of the product which isn't at that level yet (just my opinion!). I'm sure they will eventually, though, so no hate.
I wonder what a bare bones but high downforce McLaren with this drivetrain would have to weigh. Could it match the AMG One's weight? It just might. For optimal laptime it would have to be a fan car like the McMurtry of course.
People in here saying that it's not as good a track car as a BMW whatever or Porsche whatever without acknowledging that we've hit the "singularity" with sports sedans. This car weighs less, is much faster, and likely drives better than an M5. To me, it looks much better as well. Still, the Bimmer is half the price.😂
2004 Audi RS6 plus was this formula 20 years ago. It was an experience doing continental Europe drives at 250-300kph with 4 people, snowboards, luggage in half the time of a regular car.
😂 The RS6 was a fast AWD four door sedan [correction: Avant/station wagon] of its era with a beautiful interior. But the comparison stops there and it was never “this formula”. the Audi had one dino juice motor, not three torquey electric motors; one trunk, not two; and it’s displays and computing capabilities were laughable compared to a Blackberry of that era. The Audi wore its weight in its nose, was terrible to work on, and despite making cars for decades by 2004, the reliability of early 2000s Audis were no better than first year Lucids. Audi ownership was like being in a relationship with a beautiful violent psychopath [shudder].
@@fraserwright9482 : thanks for pointing out the RS6 was an avant. Yes, running costs were definitely not a positive aspect of owning an Audi. But the beautiful interior, long legs that made road trips quick and comfortable, and true Quattro AWD were sublime while it lasted.
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With a quarter million dollar price tag, it out of most people's price range. What is needed is a sub $50k, 0-60 in the 3's, 10 sec quarter mile, and all wheel drive.
No it isn't. EV manufacturers' obsession with 0-60, a pointless metric is part of what makes them so boring. At least hyundai are trying to make them fun (ironically by making it seem like an ICE car)
Wasn't ever a darling of the left, just was liberals (which is right wing) and now straight fash. But yeah I genuinely like that Matt never has been a fan
Lucid motors only exists because of Tesla. No company believe in sport ev sedan before Tesla. Now is a real market, with BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, lucid, etc. But today lucid has a better product than the pioneer
I used to work at Kia factory in quality. i know that sounds like a joke lol It was said when i was there that at some point the OEMs determined that most customers didn’t care about orange peel. Add that water based paints are harder to avoid orange peel. And i even remember Porsche in the early 00s announced that they were OK with a bit of orange peel because thick paint adds weight. I know, ridiculous. But i think at the end of the day the OEMs would rather have light even orange peel everywhere so its even instead of some good some bad.
Let's be real most people who buy or lease an M5 aren't doing much canyon driving let alone track days. So in its mission to be the electric equivalent I think it probably succeeds even if you're paying a hefty early adopter price to be the fastest. I haven't driven one but gained an appreciation for the team after SavageGeese's hour long video on it. I think one of the engineers said their main car was an E39 M5? If you only get one car to do everything and you want it to be electric there are multiple options today, but this is the fastest. But I look at cars like this as I would an Audi RS6 or E63 Wagon or any number of other cars like that. You get one car that needs to do everything, then it makes some sense. For people like us would it be more sensible/better to have a cheaper Audi A6 Allroad or used Lucid Air and a Porsche or other sports car to pair with it? Yeah probably.
I seriously think all EVs should copy Hyundai with the artificial engine/rev sounds. It brings a lot of emotion to the experience of driving. Having that as an option is never wrong. But if you don't want a noisy drive and wants a smooth relaxing cruise, you can always turn it off, unlike an ICE car which will always be noisy. I hope Lucid realises this.
Spoken like a petrolhead. As someone who wants an EV for its EVness, which includes (relative) lack of powertrain noise, I don't want it to copy what the noises I don't care for in an ICE car. I don't want to pay for that development in the MSRP. Forget the silly fake engine noises and just give me the silent speed. If something like the Ioniq 5N is necessary to get petrolheads into EVs then so be it in the short term, but I don't want it to even be an option on any car I'm consdering.
@@jpl8878 I’m actually one of the earliest Lucid fanboi. You are not getting my point. Advancements don’t care what you feel. EVs have the capability to do what an ICE car can’t. I’m just saying why not have that as an option. EVs can do it. An ICE car can’t. It’s still a win for an EV regardless.
@@jzzz26 what is the advancement involved in simulating engine noise? I gave you a reason why to not have it as an option for every car. Some consumers - like myself - expressly don't want it and consider it a stupid waste of money. Let some cares have it, sure. The people who want it can buy those cars. But I'd rather the development funds on a car I'm interested be put toward things I care about and value from the experience, not on one of the primary reasons I'm avoiding ICEVs in the future.
Look, this is the last time I am engaging with you since you sound so close minded. I said, EVs can do what an ICE car can’t which is having the capability to be silent or have sounds. Your mentality is like saying Phones shouldn’t have different ringtones. Alarms shouldn’t have different sound options. But they do. Not everyone need it. But it’s there because they can and some find it useful.
@@jzzz26 it's not like a phone ringtone or an alarm at all. Your analogy would only work if I said EVs should only sound like an I4, not like a V8 or V12. Or if I said phones should only ever be on vibrate. Different alarm or ringtone sounds are also a negligible cost to phone makers. But the cost to tune the engine mimicry in the Ioniq 5N was significant. That's great for that car, but that's not how every car maker should spend their development money. EVs have the ability to be silent or make fake engine noise, but that doesn't mean the latter is sensible for every EV to do. And yes I'm quite close-minded to it for vehicles I want to buy. Like I said, let it be available on some models for those who want it. But I'll immediately disqualify any vehicle that does that fake engine noise because it tells me that the development team have prioritized an experience I don't care for.
That tech hasn't trickled down, so of course they still make "dino" cars. Also, there are still places "dino" cars are better. I think EV's are great, but don't be as dumb as the EV haters and think single minded.
@@JoshuaTootell I like the Dodge Demon well enough but I'm not going to pretend like it's not ancient tech. Looking at the new Model 3 Performance, I'd say the tech has trickled down. Four-door, comfortable, quiet, plenty of luggage space and a 0 to 60 time of 3.1 seconds.
I dislike EV cars the way they are pushed by the industry currently, but I must admit, this car is quite appealing and the looks have a lot to do with that. I'd never bother to bring an EV to a race track, I'd just go race in the sim before doing that
It be great if you overlayed your speed on the track so those of us that are lucky enough to drive Sonoma could see how insane this lucid is compared to our experience there
compare this one to MT's one on the saphire/750 and you'll appreciate these guys! Matt, check out the carnivore way or eating, drop some weight, we want you to stick around for a long time doing these. Oh, yeah, it works.
I don't miss the sound of an engine or the shifting of gears when I'm enjoying my EV on a twisty road. With that being said... I don't have any track driving experience.
I suspect the braking points, etc, are a result of lack of track time with with extremely powerful cars, rather than EV vs ICE. That is, the recalibration needed for a GTP or F1 car is even more more demanding. The sound cues are largely irrelevant.
@@jpl8878 Yes. My friend is a track instructor at a local track and has been tracking a modified Audi A4 for years and also had a 991.2 Carrera S that he tracked. Two seasons ago he purchased an NP01 dedicated track car that looks like a mini prototype car. It only has a 225 hp Mazda engine, but is super light with lots of aero. He had to totally relearn braking points and how to drive on track with that car.
I’ve driven teslas, plain and plaid . Ive experienced a lot of cars that most haven’t I.e. 911’s, a 997 gt3 4.0, r8’s, caymans, Camaros, corvette z06’s, Ferrari 360’s, a good group of infinity’s and some other great cars. But I will say, driving a 392 scat pack challenger yesterday track mode, no tcs, I had a bigger smile on my face than I’ve had in a long time. Getting the back end out around corners, that invigorating v8 rumble behind you, and the total feeling of being in control but out of control at the same time. An EV will never be able to replicate that. However I do want give the ioniq 5 N a good go in a circuit as I know I’d never be able to see the benefits of that ev on the road
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idk who can afford these, but this brand needs to survive
They are leased.
@@McLarenW1 point?
@@100PROOF-G He was answering the question... You lease when you cant afford, that's his point.
@sethl8905 there was no question asked at all. Apparently you both only read fragments and take off 😂😂😂 cheers!
@@sethl8905 There was no question. Pay attention, both of you.
Best looking EV out rn and one of the best looking sedans ever imo. And the engineering behind it is absolutely incredible. I'm happy this car exists even if I can't afford one!
Not faster then a taycan turbo gt on track and if a poll was made the major majority would say the taycan looks better 100%
@@G82Watts @The1MkII Lucid speaks luxury and ultra modern to me where as the taycan's style is sporty sedan, at least in person that was my take
@@G82WattsI would take this over the Taycan
@@yusufcanaktas6929 well good for u. "MilesPerHr" already did a community post asking which one would someone buy. A model s plaid,lucid air sapphire, or taycna turbo gt. 82% of the votes picked the taycan. Go check his community page and scroll down. Ur in the major minority. Everyone knows the taycan is by far the best luxury, best looking, best handling sedan EV on the market.
@@G82Watts I would take the Lucid Air over the taycan any day.
The craziest part is that this 5300 pound sedan can beat track focused cars on the track so it isn’t even just a one trick pony
And it's lighter than an M5! 😂
@@jcat96lmao
I think it has to do with the amazing torque vectoring. Makes me excited for future ev sports cars.
Amazing for a hot lap but a stock NA miata would beat it in a 60 minute session.
@jcat96 Just googled that
And yeah, its a bit lighter. What blows my mind is that theres a 1000 pound difference between this m5 and the last one
Feels like its the largest jump in vehicle weight between models
One of the best TST videos ever, well done. The Sapphire should be thought of as an example of what's possible with an EV. At that price they're not really worth buying as the enthusiast driving experience is going to be limited to drag racing. You could get the Air Touring and a GT3 for less than a Sapphire. And you should.
The Touring is the sweet spot. More legroom, less weight, and just a hair slower than the GT. Only noticeable back to back
Lucid sales have started in Europe and are quickly picking up in Germany. I don't know if the Sapphire is shipping there for customers yet, but they have been seen testing on the Nürburgring. Track, alpine touring, and autobahn blasts should make for some Sapphire sales in Germany.
They may not admit it, but even EV hating car enthusiasts immediately understand how amazing the 3 motor system on this car must be. If I had the money I would have one in the driveway.
Me too!
If I had $250k to spend on a car would I get a horse? A bull? Nah, I would be getting a bear!
Very nice tech no one needs that in a damn car, no fun there, rather drive my modded 1.5 box !
A car with an engine is like an instrument and a dance partner at the same time. Weight also makes a car less or more engaging. A 5,300 lb ev going around the track is nowhere near exciting as 992 GT3 or rx7 FD. This thing is simply fast because it probably has 1,200hp or more. Where it’s slow it just makes up on sweepers and straights.
@@bigjdm5460 did you watch the video? I wouldn’t buy a lucid as a track day car, but it would trounce a traditional sports car around a track if both drivers were average or below skill.
Air GT Owner, I have had mine for 1 year 7 months, and have yet to use the Nav system in the car. Not needed, but to complain about it when so many manufacturers are moving away from it seems petty and just a thing to gripe about just to gripe. The key/door lock / unlock feature is very simple, when you own one and deal with it each and every day you get used to how it works, and it is a non issue, but for someone who has one from time to time, I'm sure it is confusing....but in reality it isn't. BTW, you do give up range by getting the Sapphire. Personally I can't spend and additional $150K just to gain 1.2 seconds on a 0-60 and a top speed of 205, but give up over 50 miles of practical range. Range is King in an EV and to only focus on speed your are doing a dis-service to the concept of Long Range driving on an EV. I have never seen a single person who is thinking about making the switch ask...How fast is this 0-60....they always ask, what is the Range on a single charge. And that is the bottom line.....Range. Highway assist....You almost got it right regarding how it detects if your hand is on the wheel. It isn't a matter of position on the wheel, it is a matter of resistance on the wheel that the car monitors. If the car monitors resistance then it knows you are holding the wheel, if it doesn't detect resistance, then it will issue the warning that you should put your hands on the wheel and give it some force feedback to let it know you are there. So close to getting it right. ;)
I did appreciate your acknowledgement that there is a learning curve on track racing an EV vs a ICE car....I think this was the critical mistake MotorTrend made with their recent Lucid Sapphire vs McLaren 750s Coupe on a track. We really do not have an abundance of EV track racers to really go up against cars like the McLaren 750s so we are left with the reviewers who are not experts making comparisons unfair as they may be vs an EV. However, by suggestion that just because you are not used to how a performance EV handles after a life time of driving ICE cars that an EV doesn't give that "recreational feel", is quite honestly a bias opinion on the subject without full knowledge of both platforms.
Overall, I think you presented a nice review of the product and praised it where praise was due, but came down on it without full and complete knowledge of the platform as a whole.
Take care and Good Luck!
lucid is one under rated car company.
Of the 20 second head start, it took the semi 6 seconds to pass the Lucid (standing still). 🤣
But even from a standstill, that’s significantly quicker than a normal Semi would set off
you can cook breakfast for family at back when battery overheats
What many people who are new to this channel and maybe motoring in general don't realize is that Matt Farrah has driven every type of fast car imaginable and then some.
For several decades Matt has been driving hi performance vehicles to their limits and with all that unique experience has collated terabytes of extremely valuable data on every vehicles driving dynamics making Matt one of the only individuals on earth that can tell you the honest not holding back truth about vehicle brand X versus brand Y and the 10 reasons why you should purchase brand Z instead. Matt Farrah is like a walking talking encyclopedic knowledge base for all things AUTOMOTIVE PERFORMANCE plus so much more. This is precisely why newbies need sit up shut up and pay extra special attention to a car that MATT FARRAH himself is so incredibly impressed by. This is so exceptionally rare nowadays, he's driven so many truly exceptional cars outstanding cars that nothing impresses him anymore, until now
5:37 holly Orange peel on that paint Batman
Holy smokes that's bad! It's all over too shows up at 12:08 on the rear quarter.
so you don't want orange peel in your 250k thousand dollar car?😅
holy hell that's bad
Ever seen a Ferrari’s paint?
@@computiNATEor Exactly.
Thanks for the review Matt and Zack. As others have said, really want Lucid to survive as they make a seemingly well rounded product. Also, wow Sonoma looked so dry! Been a while since I was on track there(left the Bay Area a couple years ago) and I know they have had some heat waves lately, but still...that may be as dry looking as I have ever seen it.
Finally we're at the point where absurd levels of power are no longer a novelty and we can think about products that most people would actually want as their Daily.
This also reinforces the continued need for great ICE driver's cars and sports cars - the kind of thing you can enjoy at a track for all of the qualities. We're actually in a true Golden Era for that too!
This video was fun. Hopefully Hyundai doesn't have any of their sound system/concept patented so Lucid can slap a similar system on their next track car. It needs a big sequential shifter stick.
Great video. Excellent editing as always. Thank you.
Great video
Excellent car !!
5N style gears and sound are only an over-the-air update away, and would take the experience to the next level. I would be very surprised if they are not already working on it.
Great video! Looks like you guys had a hoot making it
"after riding in some fast gas cars, I think I've forgotten how magical that is, and how important that is to the overall driving experience"
Well said Zack!
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I do love how usable an EV like this is, but honestly half the fun of crazy performance vehicles are the fact that they're psychotic 100% of the time. Sure they're not great 100% of the time, but they sure are wild. Still love this Lucid
My favorite part was the BMW 2002 on the back of the trailer...That's a proper car.
As far as a track focused EV is concerned, I can start to appreciate the direction the Ioniq 5 N went regarding the added sound. Given the means, I would still go for the Air/Sapphire, which is the most complete car you can buy today. A lot of people will be shocked (no pun) just how good the Air is if they spend some time with it.
5:40 I know the Harris Ranch stop when I see it. Met a many of fellow Lucid owners while cha.
This was a great video!!
Love the mova globe. Bought one last year after seeing it on your channel. No regrets. Constant conversation piece.
For what it's worth, I rented a Lucid Air on Turo late last year. 2023 car.
With the systems fully on, it crossed a double yellow and nearly got into a head-on accident. I'm not really sure how it happened - I had to pull over and disable the lanekeep\autopilot before I continued driving because I utterly lost confidence in the system.
In other news - I love the concept of the electrified trailer. Ali is a boss too, love this! Him moving the trailer by hand is fucking sick as, what a useful ability. And those FPV drone shots were pretty dope too.
That's why it's not advertised as a hands-off system.
it's not autopilot, it's not marketed as hands free. I think you've let tesla's marketing corrupt your understanding of driver assist systems.
@@AlexBerman1 I was not hands off. I don't know if the camera got blinded, it lost track of the road, whether I tugged it, I don't know. All I know is it drifted, I waited as I expected it to correct itself like it had previously... but it didn't.
@@lowstrife I was a test driver for a self-driving car company, and we were never "hands off" during that phase (testing on streets). One of the biggest problems with these systems is not necessarily the system itself (though some of them are pretty bad) but the fact that drivers are not trained in what to do when the car does something unexpected. Sometimes you can have a fraction of a second to not only react, but react correctly.
@@gordonmills2748 I don't think it's a training problem for me. I have lots of miles with Ford, BMW and Tesla's systems. I don't like any of them, but I've used them enough and watched enough FSD\Waymo videos to seperate myself above the village idiot.
Generally speaking, the inconsistency of application of all of the systems is the worst part. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I agree about the average untrained driver though. They don't know how to handle system failures.
For a 5300lb sedan only having 265/35R20 at front and 295/30R21, this is amazing. Imagine if they focused on a lightweight 2 seater with big boy tires!
We're still waiting on that Tesla Roadster whenever it happens.
@@chiemekaa Im not worried about it. I know they have WAY more market segments to get into before they need to prove anything. The Plaid already proved itself. Still waiting on any legacy manufacture to make anything close to the daily drivable 1/4 mile monster Plaid as affordable as it is.
This car just keeps getting better. They need some SUVs, to help pay for this fun stuff. That race against the Semi truck was awesome LOL.
I wonder how long until the trick handling becomes an off-the-shelf software package from Bosch or whomever.
Great review guys - I like the drone work, it's nice addition to your usual excellent reviews!
that is a good looking car inside/outside
That trailer + Edison trucks seem like a solid plan if they can share power.
Hey Matt, great video! Weird question...I was wondering what the tiffany blue watch is in the video? Looks good!
How crazy is it that this car weighs more than my 2023 F150 SuperCrew? Granted my F150 is a more basic 2wd model with a V8. But just in terms of curb weight this F150 comes in around 4,600 lbs vs 5,300 lbs.
It will get cheaper, it will get better and it will perform better than a gas car - eventually. The leap in EV performance from 10 yrs ago to today is nothing short of impressive.
Great video, as always! I'll preface my comment by mentioning we currently have a Taycan CT4S as our family truckster, so I am no stranger to EV's and their benefits. The Sapphire is an impressive exercise as a halo car and I'm glad it exists but I have zero interest in it. I'll take a 992TTS for similar money if I want something comfy and fast. That said, when I'm in the market for another EV, I'll definitely be looking at their Touring as it seems to represent a great value for a luxury sedan.
Normally I just click click click forward through the ads. But the solar powered spinning globes are cool as fuck.
This is why hybrid tech should really be the future of sports cars...
Not sure about this one specifically but most tractor trailers have 1 drive axle that is always on, the second drive axle is only used when you are on loose surfaces. Think of it like a 4 wheel low scenario. You don't run the second axle during normal use. So in this situation instead of 6 wheels or 3 drive axles it's only 2. 1 for the tractor and one for the trailer.
What a beautiful car!!!!
How's the handling and body control compared to New m3p highland
It's an amazing car and the best handling EV outside a Rimac. However, I still can't replace the emotional impact sounds and gears have.
It makes me wonder what vehicle is being used for the car2car shots? That thing is MOVING to keep out in front of something like this!
Nice Harris ranch stop, I prefer the quick barbecue across the street at the Shell, but I drive a Tesla. so, I charge on the other side.
I think if they made the lucid sapphire a coupe, it would be very attractive for a person that doesn’t need to put people in the back, Porsche Taycan Turbo GT with Weissach package is the best compliment to this.
Only got touring, good enough for me... Except fucked up and didn't get the 18way adjustable seats. The other seat don't have enough bolster.
Canyon road or track gas car/toy is for the weekends imo. I'll take the MUCH more affordable Tesla S Plaid with the track pkg(mainly for the ceramic brakes) or Sapphire if I could afford one, for my crazy fast and practical daily driver/dragstrip racer.
how do we make these more fun? do you need to do what hyundai did with the ioniq 5 n? any formula E type stuff you could add? unsure... but either way... i don't track cars, would love to, do not... and I would love, love, love to own this... JUST got a tesla model 3 dual motor, was charging at a super charger and saw one of these drive by... they look proper to me! i like that if you really want to put your foot down anything disappears... among other things.
If anyone's wondering about the music at the start of the video (edit -- well, from 14 secs onwards), it's Icelandic Arpeggios by DivKid.
The performance is beyond any doubt, but it's the same price as a Bentley Flying Spur Speed... And EV vs combustion pros/cons aside, just as a 'luxury sedan' product, it's just not in the same class of vehicle.
I think EV's are an especially compelling option in this sector more than any other, when you want a fast, quiet luxury vehicle. Rolls Royce have shown that, but it's just the rest of the product which isn't at that level yet (just my opinion!). I'm sure they will eventually, though, so no hate.
I wonder what a bare bones but high downforce McLaren with this drivetrain would have to weigh. Could it match the AMG One's weight? It just might. For optimal laptime it would have to be a fan car like the McMurtry of course.
Is the Taycan Turbo GT a sedan?If yes,than thats the quickest sedan on track
Amazing video.
People in here saying that it's not as good a track car as a BMW whatever or Porsche whatever without acknowledging that we've hit the "singularity" with sports sedans. This car weighs less, is much faster, and likely drives better than an M5. To me, it looks much better as well. Still, the Bimmer is half the price.😂
How have we hit the singularity? U really think engines won't continue to get better and better? Delusional
So how many laps do you get out of a tire on a 5400 pound vehicle? How many laps until it overheats?
2004 Audi RS6 plus was this formula 20 years ago. It was an experience doing continental Europe drives at 250-300kph with 4 people, snowboards, luggage in half the time of a regular car.
😂 The RS6 was a fast AWD four door sedan [correction: Avant/station wagon] of its era with a beautiful interior. But the comparison stops there and it was never “this formula”. the Audi had one dino juice motor, not three torquey electric motors; one trunk, not two; and it’s displays and computing capabilities were laughable compared to a Blackberry of that era. The Audi wore its weight in its nose, was terrible to work on, and despite making cars for decades by 2004, the reliability of early 2000s Audis were no better than first year Lucids. Audi ownership was like being in a relationship with a beautiful violent psychopath [shudder].
The Plus was only an Avant, the engine was built by Cosworth in the UK, I am not disputing the running costs as I questioned them myself 😂
@@fraserwright9482 : thanks for pointing out the RS6 was an avant. Yes, running costs were definitely not a positive aspect of owning an Audi. But the beautiful interior, long legs that made road trips quick and comfortable, and true Quattro AWD were sublime while it lasted.
Love the video
16:27 how about the BMW camera car coming out of the corner here?
Hey guys, your mova globe link throws an error.
thanks, it's been fixed. for some reason only part of the URL became a link?
Do you have any Mova Disc's? 😂
It's for the same people who bought Lotus Carlton's back in the day.
FPV drone shots! Level Up
Yeah I just wish they took the time to color grade the drone shots lol
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The more I see EVs getting tracked, the happier I am I still have my MK3 RS. It’s all you need.
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With a quarter million dollar price tag, it out of most people's price range. What is needed is a sub $50k, 0-60 in the 3's, 10 sec quarter mile, and all wheel drive.
Isnt that called a tesla model 3 performance?
@@sungbaek3526I think the 3P is in the high 2s
No it isn't. EV manufacturers' obsession with 0-60, a pointless metric is part of what makes them so boring. At least hyundai are trying to make them fun (ironically by making it seem like an ICE car)
@dandylion1987 Well he didn't specify anything other than price and straight line speed. The model 3 performance matches what op wants
@sungbaek3526 nope he said it is what is needed. And it isn't.
So, tell us Mat, how does this car make the world a better place to live in?
I appreciate that Matt has been consistent in his dislike of Tesla. Even when Elon was a darling of the left he was still critical of Tesla
Wasn't ever a darling of the left, just was liberals (which is right wing) and now straight fash. But yeah I genuinely like that Matt never has been a fan
Matt is such an elitist.
@ElliWoelfin Elon is a straight up fascist? 😂
Lucid motors only exists because of Tesla. No company believe in sport ev sedan before Tesla. Now is a real market, with BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, lucid, etc.
But today lucid has a better product than the pioneer
They need to come out with a sporty coupe.
Ali is awesome, but I'd still give him a hard time about the license plate frame on that 2002. Lol
I'm shocked by how bad the paint lay down is on this (and a lot of modern cars). Does nobody see orange peel any more?
I used to work at Kia factory in quality. i know that sounds like a joke lol It was said when i was there that at some point the OEMs determined that most customers didn’t care about orange peel. Add that water based paints are harder to avoid orange peel. And i even remember Porsche in the early 00s announced that they were OK with a bit of orange peel because thick paint adds weight. I know, ridiculous. But i think at the end of the day the OEMs would rather have light even orange peel everywhere so its even instead of some good some bad.
Let's be real most people who buy or lease an M5 aren't doing much canyon driving let alone track days. So in its mission to be the electric equivalent I think it probably succeeds even if you're paying a hefty early adopter price to be the fastest. I haven't driven one but gained an appreciation for the team after SavageGeese's hour long video on it. I think one of the engineers said their main car was an E39 M5? If you only get one car to do everything and you want it to be electric there are multiple options today, but this is the fastest. But I look at cars like this as I would an Audi RS6 or E63 Wagon or any number of other cars like that. You get one car that needs to do everything, then it makes some sense. For people like us would it be more sensible/better to have a cheaper Audi A6 Allroad or used Lucid Air and a Porsche or other sports car to pair with it? Yeah probably.
I'd buy one, but I'd also have a chop shop make it a wagon. Imagine this as a camera vehicle...
Don't need a wagon to make that happen.
Driving an EV is like watching a movie with the sound muted. Ioniq 5N is the only EV that solved that problem.
Did it? Need for speed: Underground had better engine sounds 🤣
The production on this video was class. Nice work
Can I have a loud slow combustion engine please😮
I seriously think all EVs should copy Hyundai with the artificial engine/rev sounds. It brings a lot of emotion to the experience of driving. Having that as an option is never wrong. But if you don't want a noisy drive and wants a smooth relaxing cruise, you can always turn it off, unlike an ICE car which will always be noisy. I hope Lucid realises this.
Spoken like a petrolhead. As someone who wants an EV for its EVness, which includes (relative) lack of powertrain noise, I don't want it to copy what the noises I don't care for in an ICE car. I don't want to pay for that development in the MSRP. Forget the silly fake engine noises and just give me the silent speed. If something like the Ioniq 5N is necessary to get petrolheads into EVs then so be it in the short term, but I don't want it to even be an option on any car I'm consdering.
@@jpl8878 I’m actually one of the earliest Lucid fanboi. You are not getting my point. Advancements don’t care what you feel. EVs have the capability to do what an ICE car can’t. I’m just saying why not have that as an option. EVs can do it. An ICE car can’t. It’s still a win for an EV regardless.
@@jzzz26 what is the advancement involved in simulating engine noise? I gave you a reason why to not have it as an option for every car. Some consumers - like myself - expressly don't want it and consider it a stupid waste of money. Let some cares have it, sure. The people who want it can buy those cars. But I'd rather the development funds on a car I'm interested be put toward things I care about and value from the experience, not on one of the primary reasons I'm avoiding ICEVs in the future.
Look, this is the last time I am engaging with you since you sound so close minded. I said, EVs can do what an ICE car can’t which is having the capability to be silent or have sounds. Your mentality is like saying Phones shouldn’t have different ringtones. Alarms shouldn’t have different sound options. But they do. Not everyone need it. But it’s there because they can and some find it useful.
@@jzzz26 it's not like a phone ringtone or an alarm at all. Your analogy would only work if I said EVs should only sound like an I4, not like a V8 or V12. Or if I said phones should only ever be on vibrate. Different alarm or ringtone sounds are also a negligible cost to phone makers.
But the cost to tune the engine mimicry in the Ioniq 5N was significant. That's great for that car, but that's not how every car maker should spend their development money. EVs have the ability to be silent or make fake engine noise, but that doesn't mean the latter is sensible for every EV to do.
And yes I'm quite close-minded to it for vehicles I want to buy. Like I said, let it be available on some models for those who want it. But I'll immediately disqualify any vehicle that does that fake engine noise because it tells me that the development team have prioritized an experience I don't care for.
finger prints on the screen drive me nuts.
Interacting to please the algorithm for you guys
It's a Quorn chicken nugget, fantastic bit of engineering, and tastes great. But I still want a really nice fried chicken tender over it.
13:13 dandruff or psoriasis ?
Lol - ZK
For half the price, more distance, I'd go for the Porsche Panamera 4S E-Hybrid.
What watch is that? I like.
Lighter than the new M5
I bet in 5 years, M-Engineering will make Bluetooth paddle shifters that clamp to the steering wheel, and a software "tune" with gears like the Ioniq
Its amazing they still make ICE dinosaurs when tech like the Lucid Air Sapphire exists
Try racing in the Daytona 500 and watch the ICE dinosaurs kick any EV's ass
Those ICE dinosaurs do 0 to 60 in 0.4 sec 1000ft 3.65 sec @341mph no EV will EVER come close.
That tech hasn't trickled down, so of course they still make "dino" cars.
Also, there are still places "dino" cars are better.
I think EV's are great, but don't be as dumb as the EV haters and think single minded.
@@bob-qi4nrtry racing in the 500 with anything off the showroom floor. Great take. 😂
@@JoshuaTootell I like the Dodge Demon well enough but I'm not going to pretend like it's not ancient tech. Looking at the new Model 3 Performance, I'd say the tech has trickled down. Four-door, comfortable, quiet, plenty of luggage space and a 0 to 60 time of 3.1 seconds.
I dislike EV cars the way they are pushed by the industry currently, but I must admit, this car is quite appealing and the looks have a lot to do with that. I'd never bother to bring an EV to a race track, I'd just go race in the sim before doing that
It be great if you overlayed your speed on the track so those of us that are lucky enough to drive Sonoma could see how insane this lucid is compared to our experience there
All performance EVs should have a HUD.
Come on, my 2021 Accord has one.
compare this one to MT's one on the saphire/750 and you'll appreciate these guys! Matt, check out the carnivore way or eating, drop some weight, we want you to stick around for a long time doing these. Oh, yeah, it works.
I don't miss the sound of an engine or the shifting of gears when I'm enjoying my EV on a twisty road. With that being said... I don't have any track driving experience.
Wow more Orange peel than my Orange.
I'm so glad someone else caught that, atrocious to my eyes!!
@Thesomkingtire I know I'm a winner 🏆
Not a fan of EV's at all, I want one of these BADLY... Great review guys.
So you're saying Lucid just needs to add fake sounds like the Ionic 5N and it would be perfect?
Was waiting for this after the Podcast. I want, but nit for $250k
@thesmokingtire, we need to take 5 seconds for wrist check on these vids ⌚️
really like the two of you
Its the pitstops where it falls down.
I suspect the braking points, etc, are a result of lack of track time with with extremely powerful cars, rather than EV vs ICE. That is, the recalibration needed for a GTP or F1 car is even more more demanding. The sound cues are largely irrelevant.
Exactly. Formula-E and other electric racing drivers manage to learn braking zones without gears.
@@jpl8878 Yes. My friend is a track instructor at a local track and has been tracking a modified Audi A4 for years and also had a 991.2 Carrera S that he tracked. Two seasons ago he purchased an NP01 dedicated track car that looks like a mini prototype car. It only has a 225 hp Mazda engine, but is super light with lots of aero. He had to totally relearn braking points and how to drive on track with that car.
I’ve driven teslas, plain and plaid . Ive experienced a lot of cars that most haven’t I.e. 911’s, a 997 gt3 4.0, r8’s, caymans, Camaros, corvette z06’s, Ferrari 360’s, a good group of infinity’s and some other great cars. But I will say, driving a 392 scat pack challenger yesterday track mode, no tcs, I had a bigger smile on my face than I’ve had in a long time. Getting the back end out around corners, that invigorating v8 rumble behind you, and the total feeling of being in control but out of control at the same time. An EV will never be able to replicate that. However I do want give the ioniq 5 N a good go in a circuit as I know I’d never be able to see the benefits of that ev on the road