Beau Hill on Money Tensions w/ RATT & Warren DeMartini, "It was a HUGE source of irritation," Motley
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2022
- This excerpt was taken from a full in bloom interview with producer/engineer Beau Hill.
Beau talks about how much money the members of RATT were worth after the release of Out of the Cellar and the financial tensions within the band during the recording of Invasion of Your Privacy.
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Anyone here from the 80s? Anyone here learn how incredibly important a great producer is to making great music? I had no idea back then. I do now, thanks to this channel.
Yep I hear ya.....
Of course. Back then you couldn't make release-quality records in your bedroom like you can now.
Those bands spent a LOT of money to make highly polished records. And that's why the producer was a star. Mutt Lange, Bob Clearmountain, Bob Rock, Tom Werman, the list goes on and on. Most bands didn't know what they were doing, so the producer was God in a sense.
It makes ALL the difference. Another case in point: Mike Clink (of GnR fame) produced a heavy pop alternative band called Push Monkey in 1998. Incredible album with so much great melody, 2 part vocal harmony - like 2-part soli horns - and sophisticated arranging. The album tanked, ostensibly because the record company didn’t promote them, and they were probably too artsy for the mainstream…and they were dropped from Arista, I think the label was. They subsequently put out a self-produced album a couple years later…total garbage. That’s when I realized that Mike Clink created this incredible music with the artists he had to work with, and they are/were talented guys, no doubt. He pulled great performances out of the band and you can tell he had all these ideas for chord structures and arrangements that made the record so good. I mean, he’s a genius.
Year you notice it as you get older
Beau Hill had a huge part in Robin Crosby's downfall. So fuck him. Instead of keeping him doing half of the leads. It was easier to just let the "guitar god" Warren lay the leads down on most songs after Cellar than take a little more time with Robin.
If you dont have a band leader keeping the others in check the production dont matter. Robin's diminished role as just Warren's rhythm player played a huge part in "The King" self destructing. Killer band that should be on the stadium tour. Instead of sitting idle.
B.T.W. way cool junior sucks.
RATT was no fluke. I first heard “ You Think You’re Tough “.
Those 4 releases were sparklers. Crosby was the man.
Dude, as much as I am hesitant to admit I will say that NOTHING ever will truly groove like the ear-candy tunes from their first EP....Tell The World.....Sweet Cheater...etc...straight morphine for one's soul!!
Yeah, definitely that EP was wicked. " You think you're tough" man that song brings back some memories. Great material .
Ratt had a few good tunes.
But Robin was simply a rhythm guitarist.
Not really anything to write home about as a musician.
It was Warren that was the musician in that band.
Today marks 20 years since Robbin Crosby’s passing, Ratt N’ Roll! 🐀 🎸
Hill is a terrific producer. His troubles with Warren and Ratt just demonstrate how little the average musician, even rock stars, know about the business of music.
The finances are intentionally opaque.
@@dosgos Of course they are. But Hill was being a straight shooter with them. You have to learn to see through the opacity if you're going to survive in this business. It's not enough to generate money. You have to get the money into your pocket. Record companies ALWAYS self-deal.
To be fair to the musician the label usually screws the band so badly after 1st being signed they are wary of anyone trying to nickel and dime them from every album and T-shirt sold. So I can understand the animosity and lack of trust. Happens to just about all the classic bands at one time or another being screwed over somewhere in the process all genres of music not just rock. Beau was being honest here but I am sure, not all producers are. They all want that writing credit bump from the band to keep the cash flow going. Keep cashing those royalty checks. The gift that keeps on giving. It's kind of like the scene in Money Pit where Tom Hanks is the account for a metal band and the manager says they are used to people stealing from them that's how this works. After reading Steven's biography RATT actually did very well financially and seem like a big success story.
I just hired Beau to master some music. Great guy.
@@bartsullivan4866 I know it's a dirty business, but Warren should have done his homework before jumping on Beau Hill. That was very rash. And yes, Ratt did make some good money. Never on the level of Crue or GnR, but they were never as big either. They got about as big as they were going to get. The first album went off with a bang, then Invasion was a success, Dancer Undercover did well, Reach for the Sky also. But by Detonator they'd run out of steam, things were rough in the band, and Robin left during the tour. The grunge flooded in, and MTV stopped playing all metal except for Metallica.
You do a great job with this channel. Digging deep into the history of this era of music. Man...thank you. People are paying attention
Much appreciated!
As a young fan of Ratt, Motley Crue, etcetera; it's been interesting & entertaining to listen to Beau Hill & Tom Werman about all the recordings and behind the scenes stuff.
Indeed. To me, it makes their music more intimate now, knowing all the stuff we've learned. Thanks to Full in Bloom.
Agreed
Invasion of Your Privacy still, to me, has the greatest rock guitar sounds of all time.
The tone on that record is perfection
@@mattmacarthur520 I have never heard better
@@evalex71 Dokken back for the attack is pretty damn good too but I’d still give it to invasion
@@mattmacarthur520 Love that album too but there is something special about Invasion
I think Beau Hill is awesome ... Im surprised they never had sitdowns to clear the air
Beau Hill worked on Mr. Pearcy's solo material-I Can't Take It-Smash:)
@@ryangettig274 Awesome
Beau Hill is a godfather of metal.
Warren is an awesome guitarist!
Definitely, he gets overlooked when people talk about guitarist of that decade. He was every bit as good as any of them, except for of course Randy Rhoads and Eddie Van Halen
@@kurtsaxton823 From that era I categorize Warren together with Jake E Lee and Steve Stevens in how good they were technically _and_ creatively - great songwriters and riffmasters!
@@ytusersumoneBrad Gillis can be also thrown in that group but I definitely agree with you.
Warren played with so much maturity to only be 19. For me, he was the best of that genre & era. Idk why he hasn’t kept playing all these years. I’d love to see him enter the jazz fusion jam scene and expand on his awesome feel and style.
Invasion is a masterpiece of that era!!!!
This full interview is so gooood
Best rock interviews I’ve ever had the pleasure of listening to.
Wow. Thank you!
This stuff is gold - brilliant stuff keep it up. Love the background info these types of things that went on in bands and with producers
Beau is a fantastic producer. Always put out quality work.
I love hearing these real interviews …..
I was a young teenager when this was going down and still today love this music and magic !
Love these interviews 👍🏻
Thanks for this interview. Great job!
Holy $**+! So, the Ratt clip brings you out of hiding. Good to see you in the comments again, Lance.
First time I saw ratt, I was about 14 years old. On the front row. They opened the show (opening for Billy Squier) and Pearcy walked straight out, smoking a joint, then leaned over the front row and handed it straight to me. It was an amazing moment at the time 😂
Interesting...love these interviews
Great interview!!
Dear Lord being forced to come to work at 10am. How terrible 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah! And "work" is playing in a multiplatinum band with any gear that you want. I feel for them. LoL
I never liked playing at 10 am and i didn't have hangovers..I was just getting up, but i wasn't in RATT either!.. I did get invited to a small rock/blues club where Warren and Robin went to hang out and jam after their arena show..got to meet and talk to them, man they were on cloud 9 happy as shit living it up in 86!
Working and being with people is a constant struggle between communication, ego, and ignorance. People rarely ever plainly say what they want or listen long enough to hear what they need to know.
Started playing bass at 15 graduated h.s. in 90' & it's fascinating to hear the back stories of all my idols lol
I wish these great old-school producers would groom new bands and develop artists for the long haul like they did back in the day. A hit is a hit and bridges generations. Today, most is a flashy pop hit with no substance and no longevity.
Ain't no money in music these days
@@DSchea nope. That's why bands HAVE to constantly tour
As dumb as this may sound I was offered some pretty cool drummin jobs but turned them down ... I stuck to studio work because I was making so much more money and never had to tour ... I never thought that touring was all that cool !!!
Not dumb at all. Most realize studio musicians are the smarter musicians
I ended up Pursuing more studio work as well. I shoulda had representation though. I missed out on alot of money
@@jayteesgear I made decent income as a studio drummer did a lot of work for CBS and A&M
Doing session work is where the money is.
Home every night
Happy.
Ive met so many musicians back in the day and most were absolutely miserable.
Constantly on the road and broke.
@@munsterbraum2792 late 80s I was on the road for two years. I did well. I took a HUGE pay cut when I decided it was time to move on
Crazy the recording process , interesting ..
Great interview
Great piece.
I think those guys were lucky to get Beau Hill to do their records!! 1.2 million each off of a first record is incredible!!!
Net worth does not equal liquid cash. Their catalog was worth that per member.
Warren’s is an American treasure.
I remember on my birthday 2 different people got me “Invasion Of Your Privacy “ as a present
Privacy was one of the best sounding records ever,production wise to me…..Records don’t sound like that anymore..I don’t know if it’s the Analog vs Digital thing,or lack of recording in big studios,but even now when these 80’s bands make new recordings,they just don’t sound as good as they did in the 80’s…
Yes! Back in the day. Bigger budgets. Solid producers. Taking the time to make projects sound their best. …Analog vs. digital, not so much.
@@leakybrain I got nothing against digital….but It doesn’t sound like tape…it’s a different sound entirely….however,there were lots of great recordings of the late 80’s early 90’s that were recorded digitally that sounded great….not like tape,but still great….So you are probably right about the big budgets,nice studios,and incredible engineering to get it right…..now you just sling it out in your bedroom on a MacBook,throw some plugins on it,and call it a day……it’s amazing to me with all the technology we have today,the pinnacle of recording and sound engineering was the late 70’s thru the 80’s……So many great,great sounding records from back then…
@@scottpeters4401 Agreed. I think the sound quality comparison of analog v digital is obvious. Sure, other things were in the mix, but that’s the big one.
@@RS-ol8or Nothing sounds like tape….
What up Beau. Funny of how many musicians don't know this stuff.
When was this interview?
Ratt n Roll!
I saw this tour in Atlanta. I think Bon Jovi opened. Stephen’s voice was shot… one of my favorite LP’s
Yup. Saw them in Puerto Rico. Bon Jovi opened supporting their 7800° Fahrenheit album. Bon Jovi was stealing the show to the point that their sound and lighting got cut off twice. My friends and I were convinced Ratt’s people did it LOL. I was there for Ratt, and they sounded HORRIBLE. They also sounded horrible on their Dancing Undercover show.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 Stephen’s voice was definitely the worst of any band that I have seen and that’s a lot. Never could recreate that LP sound…
@@AvaRose00 was Cinderella highly regarded for their live show Tom Kiefer is amazing. I never got to see them but they were one of my favorites back in the day and still are.
@@edwardgensheimer6640 yes, I also saw Cinderella open for David Lee. They kicked ass and in my opinion blew Roth away. I always loved them…
Never heard many great stories about B. Hill.
Remember seeing all of RATTS gear for sale at pawn shop in Van Nuyes
A lot of big egos in that band but DAMM they made some incredible music together
Thanks FIB, I wonder if Ratt and Kix ever saw each other prior to touring Reach for the sky/blow my fuse. I wanna hear Beau talk about producing “Midnite Dynamite” which is apparently KIX’s favorite record they released…
I also wanna know how he got Kip Winger & Donnie Purnell in to write’Bang Bang balls of fire.”
@Sly Raxx Kix are still touring locally, tho with out Ronnie Younkins, last I heard he was under house arrest from the PD there in Frederick MD, I think it’s alcohol related; since 10/10 has always had problems with alcohol, heck I remember reading somewhere that there was a brief period sometime in 2016 where the rest of the guys had no idea where he was.
Ratt was a great band ! I ❤ 80s !
I know and under stand…i was the lead guitarist, lead vocalist ,song writer and on and on…. Well to say now I’m 70 “been there done that”
the Original lineup of Ratt was incredible. now all that Pearcy has are all unknown guys that have absolutely nothing to do with the classic lineup.
Because warren and Juan don’t want to be involved and Bobby apparently wants control so they won’t work with him. That’s what I last heard.
This is killer information. Young punk musicians being used by the industry. Beau Hill certainly has a difficult job, but I'm sure his allegiance was to the record company.
When Beau talks about the vendors sending an invoice to the record label, does he mean the studio bills Atlantic Records for hours spent recording the Ratt record?
Yes. After he signs off on the bill as 'accurate'.
my pawpaw still listens to ratt and motley crues
he also still smokes marijuanas and wear leather britches
The best music
Ratt was an amazing band up to this point in their career. Invasion represented a band that was no longer hungry, no longer edgy, and no longer cool. The brand changed with the album cover.
Thank you
You're fast as hell, my friend.
@@fullinbloom I am on your subscription.. u pop up I watch it.. alos I am a over road semi driver so aka time on my hands.. thank u
@@paulthompson8642 Me also, this channel is so incredible, so much I did not know about the music back then that influenced my life, and still does.
@@doctordetroit4339 100% it's so funny to me I live in vegas I see all my rock heroes walking around blows me away... I mean not all the time... but it's weird how many live here ..Stephen is here..
@@paulthompson8642 I love it. Thank you, Paul!!
How in the world did warren get such nice hair?
Too funny. Of course at 19 you don't have a fucking clue. So one can forgive Warren a little. Why didn't the managers or someone sit then down and say this is how that works. Geesh. 😂
Each one of the band members earned 1.2 mil after out of the cellar came out. That is the equivalent to 3.4 mil in todays money.
Referring to Ratt as 'gutter snipe' is a bit harsh, no? They prob provided the Hill fella with some of his biggest paydays.
He was referring to how dirt poor they were and how rich they got after out of the cellar.
Turn your listening ears on buddy , not what he said it all
@@cryptojihadi265 exactly !
These guys were young and inexperienced. They didn't understand the business end of things. They were also very immature! They would learn over time though!!!🤔🤫🤨🙄😌😔😏
Greatest party LA in the 80's.
They got jacked just like many artists of the day. The bands weren't taught how the business runs.
LMAO! Dude… Nobody told you shit back then. There was no Internet. If you didn’t have friends, family or a kind soul who just decided to help you out, then you didn’t get how it worked. People still don’t understand it. When I was 17 I was lucky enough to work with a guy who was working with island records and he sat me down one day and broke everything down to me. I passed that on to other musicians I knew and a few of them are now paid to this day because they understood the game. The idea that someone is supposed to “teach” you isn’t how it works though….
I cannot believe how many music “fans“ I talked to go on and on about how dirty and evil the music industry is and then happily use services like Spotify that are straight up WORSE than the industry… Streaming services make sure that you don’t get paid by paying you .0003 per play. Any good publishing deal would’ve paid you easily anywhere from a nickel to $.25 depending on the contract per radio play. Anyone using a streaming service is doing everything they can to hurt the artist and then literally have the nerve to talk about how the industry is dirty… That’s why I quit the whole thing.
It’s always tension in groups GnR had the same problems
1. Rat was 10 times better than motley crue. 2. They produced great sounding records and catchy music. 3. Their sound was outstanding and clear and full. Motley..ehh. Not until Dr. Feel good.
That pic of Nikki with Warren....Nikki has an upside down cross around his neck, THAT'S when I thought Crue was cool and dangerous, then Theater of Pain came out and I was done
that album was one of the biggest letdowns of all time....the tour was cool, though.
@@randallfloyd4476 Totally agree. I saw that tour with Loudness and they were great
Dr Feelgood was a huge letdown.
@@goodmorningsundaymorning4533 I thought each album got worse after Shout
I thought Theater was such bullshit that I returned it to my small town record store for a refund. The clerk was pretty pissed
Well Motley got ripped off bigtime I believe early in their career and I'm sure that was talked about with the ratt guys at some point.. I also(if I remember right) believe it was a manager and not a producer..
Allan Coffman was the guy who managed/ financed them early on and fleeced them pretty good. Motley were street kids so what did they know about business back then.🤷🏽♂️
I believe Warren came from a VERY rich family, he never had to worry about money! Still doesn't.
I’ve heard the same thing before
What a monster! Made them show up at 10 to start working 🤣
Totally thought Warren was Sandra bernhardt
Now see, that's the problem right there. Ratt was making their 2nd full record (3rd overall release because the Ratt EP came out before Cellar) young artists don't often educate themselves on what a producer is..what a mix is, who's getting paid & how. Then they're hanging w/fellow L.A. rockers Dokken & The Crue and who knows what those dudes are telling Ratt about this & that. Beau making a 10:00 a.m. studio call wasn't out of the ordinary. By 10:00 a.m. the hangover from the night before should be fading and you've got a job to do. No tour w/o a new record, fellas, lol. That's pretty much how it's always worked. Beau explains it well and he educated the band on how he gets paid and he wasn't getting anything in his pockets at 10:00 a.m., lol. Silly Warren, lol.
I guess you didn't notice how Beau contradicted himself about the money, huh?
@@jeffjones3040 No, sorry, didn't hear that as I listened to this 8 months ago.
Back then, these bands had no idea about the business end. And who could expect them to, it takes a business degree to understand it all..between record sales, single sales, publishing, budgeting, touring, merchandising etc. These young guys were just ripe for the picking.
It doesn't take a business degree to understand the basics though. There are no excuses for being lazy. Young or old everyone needs to know a little bit about the business that one is getting into otherwise you'll be ripe for the taking and that's all on you!!
@@GTRman909 probably not, and of course you should learn to look out for your own best interests. But these guys were mostly just young kids with big dreams. That's how it usually goes. Most of them aren't interested in being business men, they just want to play and have fun. Then if you get one guy in the band that's sharp enough, or experienced enough to look out for the band, they usually end up taking the lion's share. Sad but true
...and Don Dokken thinks that Warren would have gotten along well with him over time. Warren and Don would have had troubles also.
10:00? 😂 😅
Those 2 bands just partied together . at that time. Both successful , both out there..but ratt was way better musician wise. Motley was all Tommy and Mick to this day.
I find these videos interesting, but man, that 80 's phone, low-fi sound the interviewees always have is so grating I can never finish.
There is truly no reason for this in this day and age
Bye. Bye.
You hear how Beau contradicted himself about the money?
I'm sure most young rock stars weren't that smart to begin with. How much a bag of weed or cocaine costs. That was about it
FFS, if you're in a band, it's even split all the way.
It takes everyone to make the bands sound, not one egocentric prick.
Noone ever said musicians were smart.
Its absolutely hilarious that Warren thought Atlantic gave Beau Hill a fat sack of coin to do the records...lol. you only have that innocent once.....then you get a fatal dose of business/life...lol.
Well, nobody whose last name is basically the name of a top shelf alcoholic drink will ever be accused of being the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Wish I could go into work at 10 o'clock and make a couple million.
Sounds like Warren, Nikki and Lynch were pain in the asses.
Ratt never reached the top because of how lazy Stephen was.
Didn't Warren come from a family with big money?
I've heard that but never really seen any kind of confirmation. Although he was raised in San Diego. You have to be doing pretty well to live there....
I've heard that he is one of the heirs to the Mars candy fortune.
Everyone in the game is linked somehow.... the worlds a stage and a normal ppl just dont get in. Its that simple, keep it in the family. All halen talks about is how they had nothing starting out yet... all those marshalls and equipment. Their fulla shit
@@killrmillr or Hershey
@@majinblood6133 what the heck are you talking about you know that the Van Halen brothers are immigrants from the Netherlands that came as children to the us with next to no money. Just look at other bands like Mötley crue, Mick lived in his car when they met and Nikki was a runaway who got his thunderbird bass by stealing a Gibson Les Paul and then selling it so he could buy a bass. Look at Kiss, Gene is a immigrant from romania and Paul grew up in a with a sister that was a drug addict. Peter Criss grew up in the rough parts of New York and he was in gangs making weapons to earn money. Ace Grew up in the Bronx where he joined a gang so that he would get protection and he even Said in an interview that most of the people from that gang died Young by doing stupid thing like robbery and stuff like that and that other are in prison for life. But sure there are some people who grows up a little wealhty and they become rock stars but that doesn’t mean that they haven’t put in the work to get to that point.
Maybe Beau can explain why every RATT album sounded the same. I love RATT and I was crazy about them back in the day. But, with every new album...it sounded like all the previous albums. No progression. No growth. Same sound.
No way. Compare Invasion of your Privacy and Dancing Undercover. Both have a completely different sound.
@@alanjamesh.zamorano1677 I disagree. Just my opinion. Maybe DU has a fuller sound...but sounds the same to me.
It's formulaic. I'll give credit to Beau Hill; HE shaped that band and it's sound. IMHO, it's not a bad thing bcuz what musical identity did they have? He got the best out of them. The 1983 EP, Ratt, has a amateurish charm to it but OOTC blows it away. Because of Hill. He made them!!
I always liked that Ratt didn't change much from album to album. Honestly, I hated when bands changed too much. Like Motley's change from Shout to Theatre....I still haven't forgiven them.
@@fullinbloom Yes; I agree too. Interesting era of bands. Some were rooted (Ratt), and some like Motley were constantly reinventing themselves. Music was more interesting back then.
If you're the producer, you've got no one to blame but yourself for not educating the band. Seems like a few hours, if that, of conversation would have saved you months of BS.
DeMartini was the only one in the band with any talent. Just sayin
You are NUTS
Lmfao... Right 🙄
Beau sure thinks he was THE GUY. My ideas, how I did everything, my writing, me me me! Ugh. The Ratt guys have bad memories w Beau and don't like him to this day. Beau shouldn't be airing dirty laundry on these dudes. Producers all believe it was THEM when a band goes big. He sure sounds like a pompous load to me...