Tom Werman on Motley Crue Studio Drug Culture, "L.A. ran on cocaine in the '70s & '80s" Nikki, Tommy
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- This excerpt was taken from a full in bloom interview with producer Tom Werman.
Tom talks about drug culture in the recording studio during the '70s and '80s, Motley Crue's Theatre of Pain, Poison, Twisted Sister, Cheap Trick, Nikki, Tommy, Vince, & Mick.
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I was 20 in 85 and partied like a rock star, went to all the shows had all the concert T's and had the worlds greatest time, i got to watch all these great bands come out of Cali some made some didn't..it was a special time for me🤘
I saw theatre of pain Nassau coliseum on long island where I lived then and now,great concert and album the winter of 1985, I was 17,going to all these great concerts,long island is a great place to live
No shit I was there too. Good times
Yeah I seen the crue on every tour up through Dr feel good and yeah they were good live I remember loudness on the theater tour great time that was when Tommy started with the drum stand stunts
@@ellamcclanahan9811 those were great times miss Ella
Saw them in Greensboro, NC that tour.
I saw them with Loudness at the LA forum on that tour they were awesome 💜
Tom Werman is a legend. Produced many killer albums.
except he passed on crue originally
Bullseye.
I smoked weed, played and recorded it. Thought it was my best ever. Magical !
Next day, I noticed the recording sounded exactly the same way -
of the previous recording - when I was bored and straight.
I worked as a sound engineer, a few bands doing demos, mostly voiceovers, audio books, radio ads etc., I was high on weed in the studio pretty much all the time. You would be too if you were recording someone describe what's on tv for the blind or read Moby Dick and Pride & Prejudice for hours on end every day.
I love this channel so much. I grew up on this music and never get tired of hearing these stories.
I was so excited when theater of pain came out and I was so confused when I opened it and I looked at them. Shout at the devil was a revelation. Theater of pain was let's dress up and be Aerosmith.
Did you like the album at the time? (Aside of their glammed out look)
Yes. I was obsessed with motley Crue but I always wish they'd return to that shout at the devil feel and look and heaviness. Shout at the devil was also my first album so it's hard to compare.
TOP still a killer album. Couldn’t stand their look though.
@@johnnyscarecrow3363 Agreed. 100%.
It's a solid album, but I think Nikki was partying too much to make it better
Morning rock radio also ran on that in the 80s, that's how they were so peppy at 7 in the morning, it wasn't just coffee.
It was so prevalent that the cheesy 80s sitcom "WKRP In Cincinnati" did a whole episode about a record producer trying to bribe the dj's and program director with blow. That was pretty bizarre.
I moved to Toronto in 1985 and it was the Canadian version of LA we had the Gasworks RockinRoll Heaven and all those bands he is talking about i partied with. crazy times no cell phones no computers just people meeting people and actually talking and partying. miss those daze lol.
I saw the Theater of Pain tour in Vegas at the Thomas and Mack Center. Autograph opened.
After the death of Razzle, talk about the best of times during the worst of times. Enjoyed the honesty of this interview.
Toms correct, coke helped a lot of people not get totally drunk and sloppy
Love hearing his interviews. I’m glad he admitted to the partying
Yeah, but then it makes you impotent. Lol
@@scottricci5063 so true!!!
@@scottricci5063 when you reach a certain level of inebriation, yes. Just as alcohol does. (“Whiskey dink”, anyone? Lol).
@@mattrock12 also long term use as mentioned in the journal of end stage addiction by some renowned PhD.
@@scottricci5063 Well, my grandpa never touched a drop of alcohol or drugs, and wasn't able to get his willy's "engine to turn over" in the long term, so... ;)
These interviews r so awesome! Thank YOU!
Thanks for listening.
Luv his honesty
Great stuff !! I have done more than 50 albums, and those we partied on, are by far the best !
Another great interview. This channel is by far the best
Wrong, they made 20 album's that never sold peanuts
"I don't do cocaine..I just like the way it smells". Richard Pryor.
This interview makes me want to quit my job and responsibilities and go hard on the powder.
Hope the wife understands.
Fingers crossed
She'll understand
We didn't have to worry about fentanyl in the 80's. Everything sucks now.
😂
This channel gets better & better.. it goes where many other interviewers won’t go.
Also, love the rare photos attached to the stories.. 🔥
anyone knows who's doing these superb interviews? didn't find anything on here or on the website... thx
I have always loved Theatre Of Pain album. The only two songs that I don't care for are Smoking In The Boys Room and Raise Your Hands To Rock. One of my all time favorite Crue songs is Tonight (We Need A Lover), and I don't think that they have ever played it live.
As a non-smoker, I'd have a pitcher of beer a set (4 a nite) when we played smoky clubs just to take the second-hand-smoke sting out of my eyes.
I haven't had a sip since I quit the stage.
Theatre of Pain was my introduction to The Crue. I loved city boy blues and those videos were so huge.
Love this side of The Crue, all bout entertaining and theatre definitely gets too much trash talk
Awesome piece. And I'm now a new subscriber 🤘
Welcome aboard! I sent you a Kix link on your other comment.
Weed was great for getting a different perspective on a mix. I'd work on stuff straight, and mix it down to cassette. Then a day or two later I'd pop the tape in the Walkman, smoke some skunk, and go for a bike ride and listen to it. It would take me out of my own involvement and let me hear it like it was someone else's music
Man this was one job I was cut out for. Spot on with the weed thing. I get way too introspective when i smoked weed.
Great interview
A friends dad was VP of Electra in the 80’s. Last name was Klein. Gave me so many cassette tapes and MC memorabilia.
Dream police was a killer album....
Excellent !!! :)
I enjoyed this.
Thank you Mitch
Love this show
Heroin Diaries was a fun read. Nikki never struck me as an addict . Never thought Nikki was as lost as he portrayed himself to be.
These are such great interviews. I hated weed.
I heard the guys in Quiet riot say they didn't like cocaine, just liked the smell of it. 🤣😜
Thanks for listening.
the right type of weed is great. I found a couple of strains that made me more giggly, more energetic and horny af. I never enjoyed the weed that would make you lethargic.
@@1968spikey I've not tried since the 70s. Not my thing. Most people that smoke it seem to be retarded after doing so it seems. At least the ones that tell me they do. I'm sure many people function just fine though.
Weed is great. Coke sucks - but chewing natural coca leaf works really well!
Lmfao,that's so fucking funny 🤣🤣🤣
1986 getting out of the army my song was "home sweet home"
Theatre of Pain, my favourite Crüe's álbum for sure... 🤘🏻💄🎸
Tom might have played hard but importantly he worked hard & the results are timeless music.
"we risked 10 years in jail to smoke a joint and now of course it's legal".. wished it was legal where I live.
Great interview. What is the name of the song at the very end?
Ringo said the same thing about The Beatles. He said that when they’d record high it would sound great at the studio, but when they heard it played back later when they weren’t stoned it sounded like shit and that they would have to re-record it again.
I would say Vince Neil‘s deal was more of a terrible horrific car crash more than just a “wreck”
I love the Crue's music but Neil should still be locked up. This wasn't a random accident. He was fucked up and killed a person through his decision making and actions. Sure, his dumbass drummer passenger made his own choice and rolled the dice but I think anyone who knows shit about the law and celebrities, had the roles been reversed Razzle would have done some serious time. Also we wouldn't have had to suffer with a fat, bloated caricature of a singer who is a shadow of what he wants was.
Stupid typing on a phone. Once not wants. Oh yeah. A ripped, shredded Vince would kick Sixx's ass. You're next Axl.
@@abornjerk the only real victim was the 2 girls that they hit. Vince & Razzle had no regard for consequences. Razzle paid the ultimate price, and Vince got off with a slap on the wrist. Lisa & Danielle were left with permanent brain damage.
Neil killed one and crippled two others. And he never really seemed too upset.
@@toddlavigne6441 , yeah, then the vid for Kick start my heart came out, filled with old nascar wreck footage. I realize most of that was the record company decision, but the whole thing, the accident, the video, the PSA commercials with him talking about straightening up ( while supposedly being high) left a really bad taste. My opinion only, but he is an average bar band singer that lucked out and made it in the big leagues. Fuck him. Those 2 girls were minding their own business.
I know Nikki would disagree with me. I think the "Theatre of Pain" album is great. I just love that entire album.
I do too. Especially at the time. I thought it blasted hard
I love every song except the 2 they released from it
@@michaelfrazia4569 yeah that's about right. Had no use for smoking in the boys room. Save our souls, city blues, raise your hands to rock.. blistering
@@Vibeagain killer...yeah they had to have the singles to put the album over, and they were both huge hits so you can't fault them...but I always felt that album gets knocked unfairly because the other songs like the ones you mentioned are vintage motley...I think Nikki just goes along with the popular opinion and puts down the album.. but you know the deal...the album has some great songs
@@michaelfrazia4569 I do too. Sometimes the artists' let the press get to them. Another example is Black Sabbath, the Born Again album. It was absolutely stellar! But they kind of b**** about how it wasn't produced right, etc. Get with it guys!
When I'm smoking pot or hash I'll think I'm really cooking and start to record what I'm playing and more often than not it sounds far less interesting the next day at playback. It was the same when I was using opiates. I just can't trust my own judgement with regard to the quality of the music I create when I'm under the influence of certain substances. I never really did coke for any extended period of time so I can't say how it affects creativity.
I guess that’s why some bands who are high all the time start putting out shitty music.
Great stories man , interesting about Nikki and Tommy I'd partaking a lot I mean real lot say in a day 1.5litre of 40 percentage . I could still play but it's noticeable elements of music out the window. With not all some pub rock no problem playing gran yota, classical style no no.
I know alot of you will hate on me but I don't give a damn. I was in the thick of the late 70's through 80's drug and alcohol culture and abuse as a rock guitarist in a few bands. Looking back at it now there's no "high times" of it as fun, cool, badass or crazy, just stupid. Friends died from suicide, car wrecks, overdoses and many who lived wound up in jail, prison or still doped up and drunk and homeless. Had we had known better with education, tougher border patrols, Homeland Security, tougher laws and parents instilling common sense those "wasted" years wouldn't have been wasted and many would still be here. It was a dangerous, destructive time and I'm surprised to be alive and hope it never returns.
Nah i think everything is self induced and you are accountable to yourself and your friends.
@@lordharry423 Choices were made indeed.
"Border patrol and homeland security"- wrong thread, dude
Yeah Mike Smith - you're a well known scenester. *eyeroll*
@@marthapushpin well it requires someone named MARTHA to know that, right?
I was so stoked for this album after the first two. When I saw the photos on the back in the record store I was already let down. Then I heard it... I was out...done....on to Metallica and heavier less cheezy tunes...
Me too. Heard the singles and didn't bother buying it
Would you consider doing something related to Kix? Way underrated...imo.
Here's something w/ Kix - ruclips.net/video/veQXClo5KSc/видео.html
@@fullinbloom 🤘
Sounds like I like Tom Werman. I think his demeanor made him an outsider to the Rock star ego shit and that is why they talk negatively about him. He did good work.
Someday we'll have the name of the full bloom guy!!!! He's great!!!💥 KEEP ON...FULL IN BLOOM GUY💥🏋️
He sounds like Nikki to me.
I’ve never heard of anyone on heroin eating a lot.
Wasn't Tom Werman writing a book?
That could be amazing if the lawyers don't tear it to pieces.
I saw Girls Girls Girls with Whitesnake in September 87
interesting talk about creating on pot usually meant it wasn't good when you listened back the next day. My question, is it really not good when you create on pot or are people who are not on weed simply missing out ? SImple solution, stay high and the song will always sound better.
A crappy song is a crappy song whether you are on weed or not
"Hey Ace, do me a favor?". "sure man." "take this (a huge bag of coke) and give it to Geoff in Studio A". "sure man, no problem"
😂 No wonder it took 6 weeks 😂🤣😂 I would want coke filled studio time to last too.
Sounds like the ideal situation for recording to me. Go figure. 🎸☠️
Ya man. Glory Daze 🤘
I worked in Video Production for over 30 years. By the late 80's Alternative Television, MTV & VH1 spawned legions of 80's Kids into legendary consumers buying the Hook, Linke and Sinker. There were VJ's doing 30 minute shows on Saturday Morning counting down the Top 10 video's that week! The world could not wait and now Grandpa's were once The Rock Icons! Fantastic journey. The producer was a bit bent on nostalgia that they now riddle as Taboo...sadly the Tone It Down...is B.S.
Peruvian Marching Powder. 😎🎸🤘
Wasn't nothing strang to me about the 80s best times in my life cocaine was great look at today and all this meth shit cocaine rules
THEATRE OF PAIN AWESOMNENESS
No they finally woke up by 7pm
The guy interviewing sounds just like Nikki Sixx
I Love weed!
The most outrageous thing on drugs.8:02"We risked 10 years jail to smoke a joint".Who knows in other countries what!
Cocaine screws with your timing
Do a couple of lines and you're going to play fast then medium then slow then fast
Don't agree about the weed thing
The Beatles Hendrix Bob Dylan all those guys we're smoking weed doing sessions
Malmsteen and SRV were notorious with cocaine usage.
I agree with him, everyone I know who is a musician just gets stupid on weed
@@toddlavigne6441 I ain't no advocate for weed but it hits everyone differently
As a musician after doing a line of coke the only thing I can focus on is another one
And the next day after listening to the tracks
We have to redo everything because the timing is all over the place
@@tides234 uppers of any quality have been proven to increase creativity and IQ. Proven at some English Uni.....possible Oxford.
However, you better use a click track. LOL because perfect time is going to be an issue. Not to mention, most coke these days is garbage and just fucks you up.
@@toddlavigne6441 yeah you're right I gave that shit up years ago, it does screw with your timing though, I always use a click track, but when your pulse is Raging up and down with the cocaine frequency, your timing sucks, and the only thing you're worried about is the next line
I could never understand how Stevie Ray Vaughan could do mountains of it, and PS his music started to suck when he was doing lots of Coke, there were others also, Michael Schenker, who burned down his own house because his manager couldn't get him cook fast enough, and others, it's such a glamorous drug
All this talk about marijuana and alcohol is all good. But cocaine is where I draw the line.
Alcohol is the worst
yea I read some of the stories on the nikki sixx heroin diaries. he says he was so coked up , so fucked up that he , wrote some of the shittiest lyrics I ever heard lol. this was on the theater of pain days
The one thing pot was good for is writing, or overcoming writers block. Sometimes you need to be simple to be profound and it's like those neil young songs like Down by the RIver I call 'Epic Simplicity'
Long Islands Classic Rock is 103.1 WBZO Fm
Max Fm
I’m not buying that whole cocaine and creativity bit. In my experience, it would be great for the first 30 minutes, then everyone would just geek and fiend out.
You have to do it in moderation. You can’t snort huge lines at once, else it will screw with you too much like you mention But in small amounts and with alcohol to take the edge off. It’s magic dust or krell. Zombie dust was similar but in tiny amounts. I’ve had some of my best creative ideas come from coke. Things I never would have thought of it’s amazing stuff.
@@sixxmesixx Nice try, DEA.
@@t3hgir Apparently you’ve never done it. I have a lot but don’t anymore of course. Those were my party days. 😇
Bingo.
I agree, but done in a little bump here or there may benefit creativity and quickly finishing an album?. Idk, I've heard the blow in the 70's to 80's was Vastly different than anything that was available later and I've heard/read this from numerous sources and from people who were doing it in those days.. Apparently at some point "something changed" in the manufacturing/processing of the product and these days you're gonna get Fentanyl or Bath Salts or God knows what else in the cut?!. I'm sure someone in the comments might know more than I and may have been around back then and confirm that blow back in the "Motley-Era" was of a better (or more pure) quality and had different effects!..
4:00 "Drugs, drugs, drugs...." 11:30 "Drugs, drugs, drugs..."
I love weed, much more than booze, but I never use it while performing, working, or creating. There's always crap to get finished. Some people simply don't like it.
Great tunes brought to you by booger sugar .
As an engineer, I can definitely see how cocaine would be extremely helpful. It's tough to be as nitpicky without it and I think I'd be way more creative. Oh well.
Pot distorted the idea of what you were listening to, itmade things better than they actually were......well that explains The Grateful Dead.
What's with the chocolate bars?!
this guy talks like the Great Moses on South Park
Motley Crue did drugs?
GET OTTA HERE!!!
A wise man once said.....I don't use cocaine....I just like the way it smells.
I gave up weed in the early 90s. I swear,,, it was making me totally unproductive. I just couldn't do it anymore. However,,,,,,,,, i started on the powder. I went from one to the other to the other.
Love it. That music make us wanna press the gas pedal. Because it was created with the gas pedal floored. Very cool. Thats what's missing these days. Drugs. Hahahaha
Beatle's we very stoned..I guess no one's ever heard a coke mixing session....lotsa high end n tinty..lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm sure The Beatles woke up next day n went..that sounds good lol 🙂🙂 like it did when we were stoned.... never get stuff done?? Then they were just lazy period..just my observation
mccartney used to have a London flat since he was a bachelor till the last year...he kept a huge bowl of coke on the mantle in his den during the pepper era ...he used to leave his door unlocked, but he kept coming back from the studio and the bowl would be empty...he started locking the door rather than stop filling the bowl
Beatles did a ton of amphetamines
Notice he said LA. 99% of Americans never touched cocaine in the 70s 80s 90s or today.
That's what Ringo said about the Beatles when they would record songs. They would get high and think that their stuff sounded awesome while they were high, but then when they came back the next morning, they'd listen to it and it sounded like shit.
"Dude, he's a junkie!"
Nikk was addicted mate I have his book
This interview proves that clearly, candy bars are the gateway drug. We should outlaw chocolate because every dope addict started out eating candy bars at a young age.
…LoL & I’d just assumed he implied a few of the candy bar wrappers were refilled with dope and syringes mixed in with the rest of the candy bars for cover?…🫠
I don't do cocaine. I just like the way it smells.......
Yes that joke has been beaten to death
Motley was terrible live. Seen them 3x. I also seen their contemporaries Ratt/Dokken 3x. Ratt and Dokken killed 2x without question. Motley were a mess live.
The Beatles made music stoned I'd say they did okay LoL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Imagine how much better the 80's could've been w/out cocaine. Drugs only F things up. They NEVER enhance. I know.
Sikki Nixx didnt become an addict!?!?
Dude, you knew him in the Girls era! That was his worst! His use started in the Shout days, was going strong during Theater.... Girls is where he was gone!
He did lita fords dangerous curves in 91
Krell
Then somebody figured out that baking soda makes freebase instead of very flammable ether.....and the cat was out the bag...... smoking coke changed things. Not like sniffing more like i.v. rush.
Maybe it was Mathew trippe and not Nikki. It's limteresting that Nikki publishing company changed names on that album. As far as drug use it's a personal choice it effects people different. Some have higher tolerances some mix it to balance speed balling. Coke changed when they put a ban on either. They started washing it with all kinds if shit. Initially it made you social you could drink and party for a few days and feel good. It all changed for me overnight I went from social to paranoid. I was convinced it was a bad batch. I would start buying from differant people trying to find the good stuff. I never was able to recapture the euphoric high the paranoia only grew worse especially when smoking it. We couldn't play a note thinking people or cops were outside watching. It got so bad we used to wet the grass. We figured if the cops were watching we'd see their wet footprints on the patio concrete. I was able stop unfortunately I pawned all my gear in the process. Only 1 other friend joined me the others ended up in prison or dead
Sorry... but what does candy bars have to do with being a junkie? I'm not putting two and two together.
What? Bands and producers and engineers and whomever else did cocaine and partied in the 80s? No way?!?
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