It's pretty hilarious when you realize that, unintentionally, Kraven occupying Gothan for his hunt would make the city safer than it's ever been in years 😂
Outside of some truly powerful villains like Clayface or Mr. Freeze, Kraven is cleaning house. This is a man so powerful and skillful that he hunted every creature on earth TWICE, once as a normal hunter and then once with his bare hands. By the end of it he was so good at hunting that he decided to move on to the most dangerous game of them all: Super Humans. This is a regular mortal man who has thrown hands with every animal and won, said “this is too easy” and started taking on human beings with powers for the fun of it and this was just the comics version. The video game version is all that with the mentality of “death can take me when it earns me” and so fights powerful opponents with the intention to live but the hope to die.
Makes sense. He’s easily one of the more grounded Spider-Man villains who would also have an interesting dynamic with Bruce in it that they’re both extremely skilled, intelligent, strategists and investigators(a good hunter is essentially an investigator or detective of the wild to find their prey), with opposing views and beliefs. As they said in the actual video, Kraven is essentially Spider-Man’s Bane, and this is in many ways true, given his differences from Bane would make him work as a separate character in the same comics. 100% agree with you!
Yeah I can totally see Kraven existing in Batman's mythos, in fact Kraven in this game very much reminds me of Bane from the comics, both are men at the peak of their physical abilities, have immense combat experience, strategic and incredibly advanced intellect. Not to mention much like Kraven, Bane also instigated a breakout in his first debut to release all of the villains to tire Batman down. Furthermore both Kraven and Bane see Spider-man and Batman as obstacles that need to be defeated to complete some sort of philosophy both believe in.
I feel like Kraven is one of the few Spider-Man villains that could match the Batman rogues gallery. He’s good at mind games and breaking people down psychologically, as shown in the Last Hunt. I feel like the only other villain that matches that kind of energy is the Goblin.
@@justingovas415Of course he could. But you have to realize that there is absolutely no way Joker would end up in a situation where he would have to fight kraven hand to hand. Its more likely he'd blow up the room to kill them both 😂
Kraven's Monologues: Bane: "I fought many stronger than me...but few so respectful. Like me, he used substances to increase his strength and attributes...but his intelligence was a far greater gift. He fought with precision. Grace. Like he lived for it...the dual was intense but as it drew out..his supply did as well...how disappointing....still..his mask will remind me of how honor is still found in prey.. Killer Croc: This one felt like...mercy..rather than a hunt...Human but gifted with the strength and brutality of reptiles..a gift he saw as a curse...i could tell with every ferocious slash and every move he...did not want to continue...almost like he wanted lose...shame. If fate had been kinder to him, maybe i would find him my equal.. Firefly: This one...no ounce of struggle for me..just a sick man with a sick obsession. Fire ans the skies on his side...and he wastes it to play with his hobbies...primitive technology as well...not worth the hunt and i will forget him tomorrow... Clayface: I finally thought i found it...all my attacks, my weapons, my skills...useless on this beautiful creature...to assume any form and any weapon...i was taken aback by the display...sadly..this one fled as i lay unconscious and could be anyone...anywhere...i will continue my search. May we meet again, Karlo. You have earned my attention...but next time..i hope you end it properly... Mr Freeze: The pain in his eyes as i approached...his voice and demeanor..a man who had everything to lose...he fought hard, brave, and used every trick he knew...but in the end i prevailed...i am not used to the cold tundras, as i prefered the jungle and desserts...this one gave me something...prey that fights for the love of another...it was a beautiful display...i had my hunters give his displayed wife herbs that could ease her sickness...alas...she collapsed near her husband...may these two find peace... Joker: Prey that begs for attention deserves none of mine...but this ones unpredictable nature intrigued me...alas his unpredictability was nothing i has not seen...nothing special...nothing to note...i did not even bother asking his name...i barely even remember it...not worth my time... Solomon Grundy: A prey that could not be hunted...the strength and power was unmatched...inhuman..every time i prevailed it just got back up...i was forced to retreat after i lost count...i will need to read up more on this one...as a prey that cannot be hunted is not a challenge..but a rigged game...
Excellent Dialogue but I think that you got the ClayFace wrong. Karli would have definitely finished the Job if he knocked Kraven out BUT he wouldn’t. Kraven always studies his Prey at least a Little before facing it and would have found out about Clayface’s weaknesses towards Electronics, Fire and Ice and definitely use it to kill him
With Deathstroke: „You claim to be the best with no equal yet you got bested multiple Times by others. You claim to be the Deadliest Man alive while you weren’t even able to defeat a Man who doesn’t kill and a few Children. You are nothing but an arrogant foolish boy.”
Kraven hunting Batman's enemies would inadvertently make Gotham a much safer city. Hell the people of Gotham would see him as a hero and Batman as a fraud or villain working with his enemies to keep the city in fear.
I doubt that. They understand Batman and would get that Kraven needs to be put away. Of course there are some who think Batman doesn't go far enough but that's a minority in Gotham
I feel like Kraven and Bane would be friends. Bane himself is a hunter in his own right when he first encountered batman. And of course Kraven is a hunter so yeah they'd be a dynamic duo.
Nah kraven isn't looking for friends, he's looking for equals that have the potential of killing him in a fight. Sure, he would respect Bane, but they would never be friends.
@@Johnstring_Hamling That said, I feel if they actually met out in the wild per se, had a random chance encounter and fight that wasn’t planned out where they both survive, it could turn into an interesting game of strategy against eachother as rivals as they both barely get away from eachother with their lives, now deciding that they’d like to face the other as a worthy opponent.
I really don't see anyone from the Arkham universe giving Insomniac Kraven a bigger challenge than Venom, Lizard and Sandman. In general, Spider-Man's villains are more powerful than Batman's in the comics and that also translates to games as well.
During the fights between kraven and venom, I thought Kraven would take the symbiote for himself. Just how strong would he be if he did take the symbiote?
Well considering an average human level person with a terminal illness became Spiderman's strongest opponent, if a Super Soldier got it everyone's screwed.
Bro casually wiped out most of the rouges gallery from last game plus he used super herbs like black panther giving this man a symbiote would be the end of everything 💀
@@Lazarou101 it wouldn't Amp him as for a long time it was thought the venom symbiote amped Peter's attributes as strength speed etc but the symbiote itself said that Peter was already strong so there was no reason to Amp him, but a human like Brock or Harry are weak compared to spiderman so venom would have to Amp them
I can totally see Kraven existing in Batman's mythos, in fact Kraven in this game very much reminds me of Bane from the comics, if anything Kraven is essentially Spider-mans Bane. Think about it both are men at the peak of their physical abilities, both have immense combat experience, strategic and incredibly advanced intellect. Not to mention much like Kraven, Bane also instigated a breakout in his first debut to release all of the villains to tire Batman down. Furthermore both Kraven and Bane see Spider-man and Batman as obstacles that need to be defeated to complete some sort of philosophy both believe in.
I don’t know why people act like Arkham deathstroke is some kind of threat …. His only feats are getting bodied by a young and inexperienced Batman and getting one shot in Arkham knight.
I still want to see how Kraven took down Electro. Kraven said Electro disappointed him and such, but he should theoretically be one of the strongest villains.
he always fights his opponents prepared (drinks the antidote before fighting scorpion, brings a giant bell for spiderman) so he was probably wearing a electro-proof suit similar to the one spider-man has or some other shit like that.
Honestly from what we’ve seen of other versions of electro and the insomniac and one. Though he is really powerful and has a lot of potential his greatest weakness seems to be his carelessness and his for lack of a better word stupidity.
I think "blitzed" is a strong term, i think a more accurate one would be "surprised" . Kraven caught peters punch, which peter then looks to, he then goes wide eyed and it zooms into him being stabbed. I think it's implicit that he shocked that he gets stabbed simply because he didn't expect it further more he does catch kraven's hand which prevents the blade from going further. If not for nothing after he's fought a bunch , from the scene that I'm watching his suit is rather damaged which is implicit that he has taken quite a bit of a damage, so its a fatigued peter.
@@thatoneguy5001except Peter always holds massively back, otherwise all of the criminals he fights would not only instantly die, but explode into pieces.
I also think Kraven could take Mr. Freeze out pretty easily similarly to how Batman did in Arkham city, with stealth. He is one of the greatest hunters after all
In all honesty there not much rogues in Arkham that could stand up to him, the most probable ones to win are the one's last on his list, if Bane, Deathstroke, Prometheus (only appear in AA bio) observed Kraven they may formulate a plan to beat him or ganged up on him
Here is a list of characters that could beat or come close to beating Kraven: Mr. Freeze Bane Joker Harley Quinn Clay Face Killer Croc Black Mask Cat Man Ra's Al Ghul Dead Shot Death Stroke Poison Ivy
@@justprivateinformation2669 I highly doubt Arkham Harley or Black Mask could beat Insomniac Kraven, who's basically superhuman Deadshot could snipe him from miles away granted he's not found first Joker could possibly win if Kraven underestimates him and caught by surprise by bomb or Joker gas Mr. Freeze by himself is can't win, Kraven must have trained to fight in colder climates, if Kraven could close the distance fast enough Freeze won't be too much problem Clayface has the highest chance of winning if Kraven doesn't have freeze tech
Why is there even a debate. Base level Peter Spider-Man solos the entirety of Gotham in the Arkham series. Kraven is whooping the floor with them for his fucking breakfast
I think Kraven vs arkham Batman would be a top tier fight. Both are peak humans and can study each other while fighting. I would be rooting for Batman but I think Kraven might win this
Kraven is peak human, but he also uses potions to enhance himself, making him superhuman. This is true for both the game and comic version. In the game, you find the potions and Spider-Man even comment that they are probably what he uses to be freakishly strong. In the comics, Kraven was outmatched. He was forced to use potions to be strong enough to fight Spider-Man.
I would say Joker, because while Batman's enemies aren't very strong, Batman himself is very strong and smart, and Joker's intellect may be below Batman's but he knows how to plan very well.
@@coolcris_yt7334Kraven still bodies him IMO, he just scales too high and has no exploitable weakness unless you add in some ridiculous condition or have stats equalized
Does Batman have any obscure hunter villains like Kraven I know Batman Beyond had The Stalker but you’d think Batman being one of the proficient fighters in the world some kind of crazy hunter would attempt to hunt him.
@@JustSomeGuy440 He is referenced in universe. So even without feats we already know what he is about just by baseline attributes alone. There are others too, who mostly show up in tie ins and Arkham incident reports. I just only mentioned the uncanny one lol
@@thedragon1363 he should speed blitz given user of the pill are shown taking on injustice flash and Hal Jordan who have shown MFTL speed so it appears the pill also increases the user speed at least in terms of reaction speed
@@Everything_Was_Taken feats are how you determine characters win. Spider-Man easily fights on par with rhino and in their first fight they leveled six city blocks comfortably putting them at city block lvl. also in the fight with venom kraven uses a shield that doubles as a rocket launcher and he can just use it to blow freeze away. he’s also incredibly stealthy and has cloaking tack that makes him damn near invisible.
That's actually a good idea cause if Batman won't kill them, he sure well will do it himself and he'll consider himself a hero like that one episode in The Batman where Karon's bodyguard became his own vigilante and tried to get rid of the villains permanently P.s I think for Spider-Man villains is the Sinister Six even though theres more than 6
That’s because the group called Sinister Six only has 6 members. Other villains, like Mysterio, Tombstone, etc., are not a part of the Sinister Six, but they are still Spider-Man villains.
Kraven would most likely win but I do have a few problems first you bring up the symbiote Peter was able to contend with Miles; who was able to absorb a blast that was going to vaporize all of Harlem. But that really doesn't mean miles could dish that out whenever and even if he could he wouldn't be dishing that out against Peter in which miles was clearly holding back to save Peter. But if you're talking durability wise we see that there is a clear difference between how miles is reacting to Peter's punches then how he's reacted to absorbing all of the nuform and that was Miles couldn't move with the new form but was very easily able to contend with Peter. And second that craven would be personally using the villains that he's already defeateds technology yes we see him give it to his henchmen but he never seems to use it himself beyond the axe which doesn't seem to use any of the abilities of the sinister six and the dogs which don't seem to use any of the abilities of the sinister six so it kind of would be a stretch that he would use Mr freezes gun against clayface when he doesn't use the shockers gloves against Peter; yes he did use the Bell but the Bell was kind of already there it's not like he took it with him into battle plus he didn't even do it right away he resorted to it after the first stage of the battle. So basically any of the characters that have very similar powers to a symbiote AKA clayface but much stronger since clayface has no problem killing and can grow to at least two and a half Batman who is around 6'4 so he would be around 16 ft tall and 410 lbs and would get proportional strength and yes ice was able to hurt him but the only thing that I was able to permanently put him down was the Lazarus pit mixed with the electricity so clayface would eventually just break out of the ice in the battle would commens long story short sorry for the giant comment clayface may be the one to put kraven down.
I agree for the most part but i dont think he will destroy Deathstroke tho he has enhanced strength and speed. And plus i dont think he can beat Deathstroke in hand to hand combat but that is just my opinion
Main issue with this is kraven is written to be stupidly overpowered to the point of making no sense and given feats that are impossible with him claiming to “easily kill electro” despite him being in jail and not freed during the prison transfer and ignoring the fact electro can just turn into electricity…
I really hate it when the story tells you instead of showing you. It's this thing in writing that really fails to sell me on the fact that this version of Kraven is ridiculously overpowered only to then be beaten by big monster mash alien. If the Sinister Six teamed up together, they would've probably jumped Kraven.
Yeah kraven going after C-Listers and having trouble with shocker and then allegedly clapping electro with ease makes no sense. Weird how he didn’t go against any of the other stronger/skillful villains like Taskmaster, Prowler, or Doc Ock and he neglected to fight Mr. Negative. When he does fight top tiers in the game like Agent Venom and Venom he gets beat easily but he only gave a decent fight to black suit Peter which I personally thought was inconsistent but I’ll chalk it up to him bring a whole fucking bell to the fight. A big part of kraven I think is overhyped is him being a hunter, I mean he just stole already captured villains in the raft and put them in arenas where he already prepped to win. Only actual hunt he went on was to get lizard which he failed since Pete got there first. Might as well just have called him Kraven the Gladiator because he wasn’t even hunting. He didn’t even personally attend hunting black cat and what was he even looking for out of a fight with black cat when a prowler or doc ock is out there. On top of him having miles fight Mr. Negative in a number one contenders match to get to him. Like you finally have two powerhouses and the game finds a way to avoid making him fight them on screen because kraven wouldn’t win.
I don’t think this Electro can turn into electricity, though apparently it was his dream to turn into pure energy. Anyway, remember that Spider-Man can defeat Electro. So, he isn’t unbeatable. Even if he could turn into electricity, he would a weakness.
Most of them are basically less op versions of Spidey villains really. Croc is weaker then Lizard, clayface is weaker then sandman, bane is weaker then venom etc you get the idea
@@billyboleson2830 yea I agree it makes sense Batman is a peak human after all. It wouldn't make sense for him to constantly due battle with enemies that scale to metahuman on the regular. That being said a case can be made for comic Batman basically being at those kinds of metahuman levels.
I'm not really surprised because out of the two, the world of batman has always been a lot more grounded than spiderman with the bulk of batman's rogues gallery mainly being a threat on an ethical, intellectual or psychological level rather than a physical one.
Are you at all interested in making a how strong is supaidaman (Japanese Spider-Man) is? He is seriously op and I rarely see any videos about how strong he really is. If so that would be really cool.
The answer to the title is absolutely. I would even appreciate a what if comic where Kraven is swapped with Joker. Giving us something similar to the Spider-Man 2 game with Kraven hunting villains in Gothem, then having to deal with Batman. As well as Joker causing complete chaos for Spider-Man in NYC.
With how Kraven is shown in Spider-Man 2, I can't see any of them standing up to him. Deathstroke would probably be the best chance but given this version of Kraven is so powerful I don't see it going well for Deathstroke, but would be an awesome fight. Batman would have his hands full for sure
Kraven solos I agree then you drop him in during the events of Arkham Knight I feel that would be interesting to see how he would try and handle the Fear Toxin Nuke
These are ridiculous. Batman is a detective. That is arguably his greatest strength, figuring out who did it and bringing them to justice. Otherwise he is a highly trained human with incredible gadgets and planning. That said in a random encounter with truly SUPER human opponents he would be moving in slow motion and be over powered like a 3 year old vs a grown man. Same goes for their respective opponents. If you really want to know how it would go when heroes of different power levels fight watch Invincible.
The problem with comparing Batman characters to Marvel characters, is that fans often try to make Batman characters "realistic" while keeping Marvel characters fantastical... Let me just put it this way, you can write off characters like Batman and Joker all you want, but they've taken down much more capable and much more powerful characters than Kraven. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to put Kraven over Solomon Grundy.
Ironically, I think that if Kraven ignored the Joker and started taking out villains it would get the Joker to start hunting Kraven as Joker has been known to be insulted when he’s left out of these kind of things, and then it’s more of an open question about who has planned around super human abilities better. Would the Joker find a way around Kraven’s speed and strength? Or would Kraven figure out how to predict the Joker’s planned chaos first? It’s outside of this discussion, I’ll grant you, but I think we have to consider how much more convoluted the planning is in the Arkham universe, which also extends to Deathstroke, Talia, and Bane. If any of the more intelligent villains aren’t taken earlier before Kraven is a known factor in the city, they’d become more dangerous outside of the arena as rivals, not prey.
@@jayyy1677How would Frank be able to deal with people like Lawton, Needham (who is somewhat superhuman; let's pretend he isn't dead), and Diaz, who is sneaky af? 😂
I’d actually be really curious to see what insomniac kraven would do if he was put in the Arkham verse with the same motivation as in his game, of course it would only be interesting if he was nerfed so Batman would have a chance but it would be really cool to see
Now that we have the suicide Squad game, I wonder what would happen if you put kraven in the suicide squad's place. A kraven: hunts the Justice League, as you will.
As entertaining as it is to hear this, it's kind of an obvious conclusion how he stacks up. Most of the rogues aren't really about physicality. I think for fairs it would be much more interesting if you placed him in batmans role from the start and we see how he'd run the gauntlet facing them informed
Would that include resurrecting characters in the Arkhamverse to be thrown into this fight? Needham is noted as superhuman, he is an assassin. Killer Frost has amped ice abilities King Shark is a Shark lol 😆, well the first one shown in thr Arkhamverse, not the new one (who might be the same, retcon probably)
I think Kraven would have pumped the Joker with Titanium, since the power peak of this character is the Joker under titan, if you compare Kraven with Bane, then there are two ways, Bane from origins will most likely defeat Kraven, since the version from asylum and city will be not so smart, but he is not completely stupid, he is capable of mental activity and speech, even if Sergei demolishes all the tubes from Bane's body, the latter will still be for some time (?) he is in a state that can fight, which was seen in the game when, after defeating him, and after the ceiling fell on his head, he was not only ready to fight again, but was ready to go look for Dr. Yang, what to say if the batmobile flying at full speed did not kill him, most likely, Bane's body also hit a rock that was near the place where the batmobile fell into the water, which is why I am sure that Kraven's weapon will be useless, no knife, rifle or robo dog will be able to do something to such a carcass as Bane, and the latter has every chance to defeat him
Did everybody in the comments and this guy play the same spider man 2 in what scene did kraven use one of the tools of the people he killed I never saw him with vultures wings or shockers gauntlets so why would he now use the tools of the people he would kill like a flame thrower or a ice gun
@@aranha6285 From feats alone, Kraven stands no chance. In Arkham Origins alone, Joker manipulated the entire criminal underground when he first showed up and had every genius assassin after Batman at the same time. Kraven had unlimited funds and men in this game but even with that, he never actually surprised Spider-Man with his plans. Every time Batman was hiding around, Joker knew he was there. It was all a game to him. Kraven would definitely be outsmarted by Joker, Ras Al Ghul, and Deathstroke.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 what? Ras with prep almost eliminated all the criminals in Gotham all at once. Give him the same prep you give Kraven and he would definitely kill Kraven
@@aranha6285 Dunno about that, after seeing Joker fight Lawton, bro was laughing at the pain and his apparent death from a falling helicopter that was about to go boom.
Update: assault on Arkham is no longer cannon to the series due to suicide squad kill the justice league. No way that helicopter explosion was city block. Even if it was it wouldn’t matter.
This feels way too biased. In a universe like this, Kraven would be a well-known mercenary. If he is well-known, everyone would recognise him including characters like Batman, Deathstroke, Bane, etc. Kraven wouldn't be a mystery because people already know his tactics and what to expect.
Did you play the game? No his merc company was not well known. Besides using that as a "he wouldn't be as good if he was known" is not.... a good argument. You are not taking his physicality into consideration. His intelligence.
Someone would know. It is like some of the rogues knowing the militant group that came to Gotham were associated with The Arkham Knight, with Deathstroke being connected to it in a way. If anything, other mercs would know besides Deadshot, Deathstroke, etc, Someone like Diaz since she is still around. Then you got the people in Blackgate lime the Bronze Tiger, who even while there knew what was up going on on the outside Rick Flag was sent by Waller to iirc recruit him and I wouldn't be surprised if Waller knew about Branaic way before the situation with the new game.
No one knew who he was in the Insomniac-verse... which is populated by hi-level mercs as well. I am making the scenario 1:1 with that happened in SM2; otherwise it veers off too far into fanfiction.
Hypothetically, since he was shown on a poster, Prometheus is within the Arkhamverse. Referencing comics, and assuming its the second version, I believe he would stomp Kraven. Prometheus (in the controversial Cry for Justice storyline) was able to defeat and outsmart the Justice League. Hes often referred to as the "Villains' Batman," and has contingencies in play to fight most that he comes across.
The black suit Spider-Man man was a great use but just a reminder Peter was still holding back despite how far the suit corrupted him still impressive never the less
Even if Kraven resists Scarecrow's fear gas, it would probably still scar him mentally. The toxin specifically targets your biggest fears and Kraven doesn't seem to be as tough as Bruce psychologically.
This Kraven seems mentally sound he’s literally trying to just go out on his own terms rather than die of cancer I don’t register that as mental instability
@@theyincorporated5711 Even if Kraven is mentally sound, he still has fears that could be exploited. And if you're not Bruce level mentally strong, the toxin will get to you. Remember in Arkham Asylum, "you've ingested enough toxins to drive 10 men insane. What are you?!"
@@crane7472how is bruce mentally strong when he cant stop bringing up his dead parents every 5 minutes and makes plans to fight his friends? A mentally strong person wouldnt make plans to fight their friends nor mention their trauma every 5 minutes to use it as justification to beatup the mentally ill 🤦♂️
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Because that is the one memory that has stuck with him forever. It's what made him Batman in the first place. How can he forget the very thing that made him who he is? But even in his deepest nightmares, he is still able to push through and perservere. We saw that in Arkham Asylum and Arkham Knight
@@crane7472 so he never grewup as a person beyond his childhood memories and that's what you admire about a dude that makes plans to fight his own friends and uses his trauma as a shield to beatup the mentally ill? Do you not read what you're typing?
I never considered how easy it is to take down most of the Arkham villains when going up against someone where the tables aren’t in their favor and with someone much more skilled. I think Bane might be the hardest and maybe Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze to some degree. Now I kinda want to see this fight animated in a type of Death Battle
You have to take into consideration the severity of the inconsistent power between all of the powerful players involved. For example. MJ being able out maneuver the hunter when Peter and Miles have hard time doing so. Peter feels weaker in this game than in the last when he shouldn’t be. Plus some the Batman villians probably wouldn’t be captured in the first place.
If Insomniac created their own version of Batman games like they made the Spider-Man games, I would definitely love to see how that would turn out. We can definitely see great somewhat revival or reboot to the Arkham games
Tbh many of the Arkham villains can beat Kraven, because in here, he gets prep time while others don't, if they both get time to prepare or other way around, well, it's not so easy for Kraven after all
Yall SEVERELY underestimate Deadshot, he never misses, is an insane hand to hand combatant, and he doesn't use normal bullets either, now I'm not saying that he would necessarily beat Kraven, that would depend on the range, because while he is an insanely good hand to hand combatant, Kraven would very likely win in close quarters, but it's a different story if it's from far away, and either way Deadshot would not be easy prey, certainly not as easy as so many people assume
Bane, Deathstroke, Grundy and Firefly would be the most difficult to take down, but if he went up against Batman himself then he’s definitely not winning.
saying Spiderman is able to dodge electric attacks at a 'faster than light' level is pretty ignorant of what his spider-sense is supposed to be, at multiple occasions in the insomniac universe, Parker instinctively reacts to attacks **before** they happen, as shown in-game against gun-wielding enemies.
I do think it is a bit bullshit how craven gets to prepare for the fights, like make an antidote for scorpions poison, well yes ofcourse hes going to easily win because that is scorpions number 1 weapon... just weird how he wants the hardest possible fight but then completely makes his opponent best power ineffective
I dont think its bullshit. I think that Kraven wants someone Who can best him in a fully fledged out fight. Having Scorpion defeat him only because his poison, for Kraven that would not be and honorary death like he wanted
@@christianu8819 The equivalent who deals with poison primarily in Arkhamverse is Diaz aka Copperhead. She isn't that strong but she can throw hands, very agile and she tends to hunt her targets. There was Needham aka Black Spider but unfortunately he was killed by Waller. He was low superhuman and iirc Batman defeated him.
Ok, deathstroke and lady Shiva would literally give kraven the run for his money. Plus, deathstroke uses 99% of his brain, and Shiva is literally the best hand to hand combat in the DC universe
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Ok, but can Batman beat Venom's symbiote outbreak?
@w1ndgeneral226 I have a feeling he could with the right knowledge and gadgets in his disposal, plus some backup wouldn't hurt
Batman can't beat kraven the hunter
It's pretty hilarious when you realize that, unintentionally, Kraven occupying Gothan for his hunt would make the city safer than it's ever been in years 😂
Batman’s dumbass would stop him just for the villains to live and cause more bs to happen
Outside of some truly powerful villains like Clayface or Mr. Freeze, Kraven is cleaning house. This is a man so powerful and skillful that he hunted every creature on earth TWICE, once as a normal hunter and then once with his bare hands. By the end of it he was so good at hunting that he decided to move on to the most dangerous game of them all: Super Humans. This is a regular mortal man who has thrown hands with every animal and won, said “this is too easy” and started taking on human beings with powers for the fun of it and this was just the comics version. The video game version is all that with the mentality of “death can take me when it earns me” and so fights powerful opponents with the intention to live but the hope to die.
@@fist-of-doom487 Yeah, that pretty much sums up Kraven. Honestly, I couldn't have put it better myself 😅
@@fist-of-doom487Kraven with prep time is taking mr freeze i think
No he wouldn’t lmao he’d just make the city worse lmao
You know, out of all of Spiderman's villains, Kraven is the one I could see existing in the Batman universe the most
Makes sense. He’s easily one of the more grounded Spider-Man villains who would also have an interesting dynamic with Bruce in it that they’re both extremely skilled, intelligent, strategists and investigators(a good hunter is essentially an investigator or detective of the wild to find their prey), with opposing views and beliefs. As they said in the actual video, Kraven is essentially Spider-Man’s Bane, and this is in many ways true, given his differences from Bane would make him work as a separate character in the same comics. 100% agree with you!
Green goblin and carnage also fits.
Yeah I can totally see Kraven existing in Batman's mythos, in fact Kraven in this game very much reminds me of Bane from the comics, both are men at the peak of their physical abilities, have immense combat experience, strategic and incredibly advanced intellect. Not to mention much like Kraven, Bane also instigated a breakout in his first debut to release all of the villains to tire Batman down. Furthermore both Kraven and Bane see Spider-man and Batman as obstacles that need to be defeated to complete some sort of philosophy both believe in.
@@Windows11Sucksno, Green Goblin would *KILL* Batman 😆😂 then he would probably kill all the villains too
@@Windows11Sucksfuck no
The real question is could he hunt the Condiment king or Killer moth tho. Cause those are Batmans truest deadliest villains.
@@gonhunter3994sarcasm
Condiment king solos
Kite Man solos the verses
CK soloes Kraven as Kraven is allergic to mustard.
@coolbeans3752 Kite Man, Hell Yeah!
I feel like Kraven is one of the few Spider-Man villains that could match the Batman rogues gallery. He’s good at mind games and breaking people down psychologically, as shown in the Last Hunt. I feel like the only other villain that matches that kind of energy is the Goblin.
He wouldn't, spidey is not a good scale either.
@@victorkaranja1420 not saying power wise, just thematically.
try breaking bane or joker.
@@zanehussain4166 he could def break joker physically but bane is a different matter true.
@@justingovas415Of course he could. But you have to realize that there is absolutely no way Joker would end up in a situation where he would have to fight kraven hand to hand. Its more likely he'd blow up the room to kill them both 😂
Kraven's Monologues:
Bane: "I fought many stronger than me...but few so respectful. Like me, he used substances to increase his strength and attributes...but his intelligence was a far greater gift. He fought with precision. Grace. Like he lived for it...the dual was intense but as it drew out..his supply did as well...how disappointing....still..his mask will remind me of how honor is still found in prey..
Killer Croc: This one felt like...mercy..rather than a hunt...Human but gifted with the strength and brutality of reptiles..a gift he saw as a curse...i could tell with every ferocious slash and every move he...did not want to continue...almost like he wanted lose...shame. If fate had been kinder to him, maybe i would find him my equal..
Firefly: This one...no ounce of struggle for me..just a sick man with a sick obsession. Fire ans the skies on his side...and he wastes it to play with his hobbies...primitive technology as well...not worth the hunt and i will forget him tomorrow...
Clayface: I finally thought i found it...all my attacks, my weapons, my skills...useless on this beautiful creature...to assume any form and any weapon...i was taken aback by the display...sadly..this one fled as i lay unconscious and could be anyone...anywhere...i will continue my search. May we meet again, Karlo. You have earned my attention...but next time..i hope you end it properly...
Mr Freeze: The pain in his eyes as i approached...his voice and demeanor..a man who had everything to lose...he fought hard, brave, and used every trick he knew...but in the end i prevailed...i am not used to the cold tundras, as i prefered the jungle and desserts...this one gave me something...prey that fights for the love of another...it was a beautiful display...i had my hunters give his displayed wife herbs that could ease her sickness...alas...she collapsed near her husband...may these two find peace...
Joker: Prey that begs for attention deserves none of mine...but this ones unpredictable nature intrigued me...alas his unpredictability was nothing i has not seen...nothing special...nothing to note...i did not even bother asking his name...i barely even remember it...not worth my time...
Solomon Grundy: A prey that could not be hunted...the strength and power was unmatched...inhuman..every time i prevailed it just got back up...i was forced to retreat after i lost count...i will need to read up more on this one...as a prey that cannot be hunted is not a challenge..but a rigged game...
Excellent Dialogue but I think that you got the ClayFace wrong. Karli would have definitely finished the Job if he knocked Kraven out BUT he wouldn’t. Kraven always studies his Prey at least a Little before facing it and would have found out about Clayface’s weaknesses towards Electronics, Fire and Ice and definitely use it to kill him
I read all of these in his voice.
With Deathstroke: „You claim to be the best with no equal yet you got bested multiple Times by others. You claim to be the Deadliest Man alive while you weren’t even able to defeat a Man who doesn’t kill and a few Children. You are nothing but an arrogant foolish boy.”
Bane from Arkham Origins would probably give Kraven a harder time ngl.
Do one for Deathstroke please.
I would LOVE to see Jason Todd vs Kraven. A fight among high-tier hunters
And mainly prep based fighters too
More likely HUSH vs Craven
Jason is more of a "go in guns blazing" type of guy.
Well, one high-tier hunter vs a third-rate Punisher knock-off in a cool helmet.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Do Sungjinwoo vs lee geon
Kraven hunting Batman's enemies would inadvertently make Gotham a much safer city.
Hell the people of Gotham would see him as a hero and Batman as a fraud or villain working with his enemies to keep the city in fear.
Even in comics kraven solos most of his rouges
I doubt that. They understand Batman and would get that Kraven needs to be put away. Of course there are some who think Batman doesn't go far enough but that's a minority in Gotham
J.Jonah Jameson would scream for pictures of that fraudulent, masked vigilante Batman
No they wouldn’t your just yapping for the sake of it kraven would make the city worse he doesn’t care about innocent people lmao
They would just see it as a villian k!lling other villians, a mob fight.
I feel like Kraven and Bane would be friends. Bane himself is a hunter in his own right when he first encountered batman. And of course Kraven is a hunter so yeah they'd be a dynamic duo.
Nah kraven isn't looking for friends, he's looking for equals that have the potential of killing him in a fight. Sure, he would respect Bane, but they would never be friends.
@@Johnstring_Hamling That said, I feel if they actually met out in the wild per se, had a random chance encounter and fight that wasn’t planned out where they both survive, it could turn into an interesting game of strategy against eachother as rivals as they both barely get away from eachother with their lives, now deciding that they’d like to face the other as a worthy opponent.
Not in Arkham City Or Arkham Asylum because bane was just pure strength
But Bane In Arkham Origins can give Kraven a run for his money
@@DIAGOLDBEAST_YTHe’s not doing shit,he’s a strong human,kraven is beyond human,he fought Spider-Man and won. He’d negative diff bane
Bane stomps@@finchatforharambe905
So basically…..he’s just Batman.
When he can’t just beat them with raw strength, he just wins automatically with prep time.
Not just prep time, unknown prep time.
Yes
A batman that gets the job done
Sort-of-Batman with magic potions and prep.
I really don't see anyone from the Arkham universe giving Insomniac Kraven a bigger challenge than Venom, Lizard and Sandman. In general, Spider-Man's villains are more powerful than Batman's in the comics and that also translates to games as well.
Bane might be able to
@@kaijukingdom2686 horribly outscaled
Batman would kick ass
Don’t underestimate bane
@@endercreeper6545Batman would but no one stands a chance against venom
Could the penguins from madagascar defeat kraven
Rico solos, I’m afraid
Lmao
Easily,they’re gods
My man. It won’t even be a fair fight. We have the strongest, smartest, most unpredictable character going against Rico
During the fights between kraven and venom, I thought Kraven would take the symbiote for himself. Just how strong would he be if he did take the symbiote?
Well considering an average human level person with a terminal illness became Spiderman's strongest opponent, if a Super Soldier got it everyone's screwed.
Bro casually wiped out most of the rouges gallery from last game plus he used super herbs like black panther giving this man a symbiote would be the end of everything 💀
He wants a glorious death, not a power up
*gets chocked out by Venom*
Kraven: Harder.
Venom: Ayo, bro, dafaq? 👀 You're wild as hell.
@@Lazarou101 it wouldn't Amp him as for a long time it was thought the venom symbiote amped Peter's attributes as strength speed etc but the symbiote itself said that Peter was already strong so there was no reason to Amp him, but a human like Brock or Harry are weak compared to spiderman so venom would have to Amp them
I can totally see Kraven existing in Batman's mythos, in fact Kraven in this game very much reminds me of Bane from the comics, if anything Kraven is essentially Spider-mans Bane. Think about it both are men at the peak of their physical abilities, both have immense combat experience, strategic and incredibly advanced intellect. Not to mention much like Kraven, Bane also instigated a breakout in his first debut to release all of the villains to tire Batman down. Furthermore both Kraven and Bane see Spider-man and Batman as obstacles that need to be defeated to complete some sort of philosophy both believe in.
Weirdly enough for some reason people see venom as Spider-Man’s bane when really Kraven fits the bill way more
@@MILDMONSTER1234 because bane was bats superior in terms of strength, same goes to venom.
I don’t know why people act like Arkham deathstroke is some kind of threat …. His only feats are getting bodied by a young and inexperienced Batman and getting one shot in Arkham knight.
It’s because he’s DS, they always just seem to think he’s as capable as the comics version is despite having pretty bad feats.
I still want to see how Kraven took down Electro. Kraven said Electro disappointed him and such, but he should theoretically be one of the strongest villains.
Fr😂 how tf did he disappoint
Plot twist: It was raining mid-fight
he always fights his opponents prepared (drinks the antidote before fighting scorpion, brings a giant bell for spiderman) so he was probably wearing a electro-proof suit similar to the one spider-man has or some other shit like that.
@@MZD8because he’s dumb
Honestly from what we’ve seen of other versions of electro and the insomniac and one. Though he is really powerful and has a lot of potential his greatest weakness seems to be his carelessness and his for lack of a better word stupidity.
I think "blitzed" is a strong term, i think a more accurate one would be "surprised" . Kraven caught peters punch, which peter then looks to, he then goes wide eyed and it zooms into him being stabbed. I think it's implicit that he shocked that he gets stabbed simply because he didn't expect it further more he does catch kraven's hand which prevents the blade from going further. If not for nothing after he's fought a bunch , from the scene that I'm watching his suit is rather damaged which is implicit that he has taken quite a bit of a damage, so its a fatigued peter.
Still shows him to be relative to that Peter since he reacted to his punch and caught it with relative ease
@@thatoneguy5001except Peter always holds massively back, otherwise all of the criminals he fights would not only instantly die, but explode into pieces.
@@thatoneguy5001 sure but I'm just suggesting that blitzed is a strong term
Meat riders
@@kite._9 Batman fan calling someone a meat rider? Oh please
Kraven would be crazy enough to give Killer Croc Titan 💀
Bro would give Slade prep time
Considering how Kraven is an insane psychopath yet a smart guy
If he does that then Gotham is doomed💀
I also think Kraven could take Mr. Freeze out pretty easily similarly to how Batman did in Arkham city, with stealth. He is one of the greatest hunters after all
wouldn't they fight head on?
In all honesty there not much rogues in Arkham that could stand up to him, the most probable ones to win are the one's last on his list, if Bane, Deathstroke, Prometheus (only appear in AA bio) observed Kraven they may formulate a plan to beat him or ganged up on him
Here is a list of characters that could beat or come close to beating Kraven:
Mr. Freeze
Bane
Joker
Harley Quinn
Clay Face
Killer Croc
Black Mask
Cat Man
Ra's Al Ghul
Dead Shot
Death Stroke
Poison Ivy
@@justprivateinformation2669 I highly doubt Arkham Harley or Black Mask could beat Insomniac Kraven, who's basically superhuman
Deadshot could snipe him from miles away granted he's not found first
Joker could possibly win if Kraven underestimates him and caught by surprise by bomb or Joker gas
Mr. Freeze by himself is can't win, Kraven must have trained to fight in colder climates, if Kraven could close the distance fast enough Freeze won't be too much problem
Clayface has the highest chance of winning if Kraven doesn't have freeze tech
@@justprivateinformation2669 Im a batman guy and not much of a spiderman fan and even i feel like your list should be cut by at least half lol.
@i.r.raharjo8706 I think Slade he's also a super soldier and a better fighter with a healing factor
@@i.r.raharjo8706 I'm not referring to the characters from the games, I'm talking about the ones from comics
kraven vs deathstroke from their comic versions would be a dope vid
Why is there even a debate. Base level Peter Spider-Man solos the entirety of Gotham in the Arkham series. Kraven is whooping the floor with them for his fucking breakfast
I think Kraven vs arkham Batman would be a top tier fight. Both are peak humans and can study each other while fighting. I would be rooting for Batman but I think Kraven might win this
Too bad this is Insomniac Kraven, who overpowers a 10 ton strength Spidey and a 15 ton strength Scorpion.
Way above Arkham Batman's pay grade.
@@yashbhuiya7156this spidermans feat is 500 tons tf you mean 10 ton spiderman
Kraven is peak human, but he also uses potions to enhance himself, making him superhuman.
This is true for both the game and comic version.
In the game, you find the potions and Spider-Man even comment that they are probably what he uses to be freakishly strong.
In the comics, Kraven was outmatched. He was forced to use potions to be strong enough to fight Spider-Man.
@@yashbhuiya7156 Insomniac Spider-Man fought and slung around 616 Peter too.
The fact that Kraven can take out ALL of the Arkham villains, maybe even Batman himself… makes you realize just how STRONG Insomniac’s Venom was.
You make it an assumption without proof. Batman faced bigger foes than kraven.
@nemesisprime4501 with prep, plot armor and suspension of belief lol
@renutus1580 oh ,so just like *EVERY BLOODY FICTIONAL CHARACTER EVER* ?
@@FelipeA81literally 😭😭
@@nemesisprime4501it's made evidently clear in the video no batman has fought nobody close to kravens level
How about a hypothetical Arkham Knight Joker in control of Batman’s body vs Kraven
I would say Joker, because while Batman's enemies aren't very strong, Batman himself is very strong and smart, and Joker's intellect may be below Batman's but he knows how to plan very well.
@@coolcris_yt7334Apparently, Joker’s IQ is higher than Batman’s.
@@coolcris_yt7334Kraven still bodies him IMO, he just scales too high and has no exploitable weakness unless you add in some ridiculous condition or have stats equalized
Kraven wins
Bruh Calendar Man is multiversal at base
Facts
Does Batman have any obscure hunter villains like Kraven I know Batman Beyond had The Stalker but you’d think Batman being one of the proficient fighters in the world some kind of crazy hunter would attempt to hunt him.
Prometheus is probably the closest thing to what you’re asking for.
I had a idea of reimagining kg beast as a mix of kraven and Slade since Slade isn't a batman villain
Isn’t Bane literally just that? A guy fighting Batman to prove himself?
@@geobeatle slade and KG really only go after Batman for money not so much for sport
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I said reimagined though
Insomniac Kraven would slaughter Arkham Batman’s rogues
You think he can take someone like the Gentleman Ghost? Although he hasn't fought Batman in game, there is a reference to him in the game.
@@Zhello79 How tf could I say Kraven wins or loses that when the dude hasn’t been introduced, and hasn’t shown any feats
@@JustSomeGuy440 He is referenced in universe. So even without feats we already know what he is about just by baseline attributes alone. There are others too, who mostly show up in tie ins and Arkham incident reports.
I just only mentioned the uncanny one lol
Where would you scale Injustice Batman to Insomniac Spider-Man?
Batman with the super pill annihilates Spider-Man
one dose of the pill and he solos
The pill can hurt superman and makes him bulletproof so he'd be well above Spidey in everything but maybe speed and spidey sense
@@thedragon1363 he should speed blitz given user of the pill are shown taking on injustice flash and Hal Jordan who have shown MFTL speed so it appears the pill also increases the user speed at least in terms of reaction speed
@@thedragon1363Spiderman with Super Pill trashes Batman and Superman then
It's time for arkham batman vs insomniac kraven
arkham batman slams
@@Everything_Was_Takenkraven slams
@@Idksleep-mh7tq how, he can't. And don't recount feats, explain why he would win
@@Everything_Was_Taken feats are how you determine characters win. Spider-Man easily fights on par with rhino and in their first fight they leveled six city blocks comfortably putting them at city block lvl. also in the fight with venom kraven uses a shield that doubles as a rocket launcher and he can just use it to blow freeze away. he’s also incredibly stealthy and has cloaking tack that makes him damn near invisible.
That's actually a good idea cause if Batman won't kill them, he sure well will do it himself and he'll consider himself a hero like that one episode in The Batman where Karon's bodyguard became his own vigilante and tried to get rid of the villains permanently
P.s I think for Spider-Man villains is the Sinister Six even though theres more than 6
That’s because the group called Sinister Six only has 6 members.
Other villains, like Mysterio, Tombstone, etc., are not a part of the Sinister Six, but they are still Spider-Man villains.
Kraven would most likely win but I do have a few problems first you bring up the symbiote Peter was able to contend with Miles; who was able to absorb a blast that was going to vaporize all of Harlem. But that really doesn't mean miles could dish that out whenever and even if he could he wouldn't be dishing that out against Peter in which miles was clearly holding back to save Peter. But if you're talking durability wise we see that there is a clear difference between how miles is reacting to Peter's punches then how he's reacted to absorbing all of the nuform and that was Miles couldn't move with the new form but was very easily able to contend with Peter. And second that craven would be personally using the villains that he's already defeateds technology yes we see him give it to his henchmen but he never seems to use it himself beyond the axe which doesn't seem to use any of the abilities of the sinister six and the dogs which don't seem to use any of the abilities of the sinister six so it kind of would be a stretch that he would use Mr freezes gun against clayface when he doesn't use the shockers gloves against Peter; yes he did use the Bell but the Bell was kind of already there it's not like he took it with him into battle plus he didn't even do it right away he resorted to it after the first stage of the battle. So basically any of the characters that have very similar powers to a symbiote AKA clayface but much stronger since clayface has no problem killing and can grow to at least two and a half Batman who is around 6'4 so he would be around 16 ft tall and 410 lbs and would get proportional strength and yes ice was able to hurt him but the only thing that I was able to permanently put him down was the Lazarus pit mixed with the electricity so clayface would eventually just break out of the ice in the battle would commens long story short sorry for the giant comment clayface may be the one to put kraven down.
I didn’t like their premises either, “what if everything went perfect for Kraven?”
Then he would win, no shit
I do like the idea of a Kraven V Bane or Kraven V Deathstroke, those bouts would go hard
Now have him solo the justice league in the new “kill the justice league” game
he can't. That is something he can't do
@@Everything_Was_Takenthe suicide squad could do it but only with hella plot armor that was so thick you could visibly see it.
Kraven solos easily.
Now we just need a movie showing him like this and to bring him to the masses.
Bro you've given Kraven Prep time yet you ain't given the villains prep ?
I agree for the most part but i dont think he will destroy Deathstroke tho he has enhanced strength and speed. And plus i dont think he can beat Deathstroke in hand to hand combat but that is just my opinion
Arkham Deathstroke isn’t as impressive as he is in the comics :/
@@CRISIS_COMICS they did not do pretty much anything with him so we Will never know, but i get what you mean
Main issue with this is kraven is written to be stupidly overpowered to the point of making no sense and given feats that are impossible with him claiming to “easily kill electro” despite him being in jail and not freed during the prison transfer and ignoring the fact electro can just turn into electricity…
You didn't actually play the game did you? Dude finds weakness in EVERYTHING
I really hate it when the story tells you instead of showing you. It's this thing in writing that really fails to sell me on the fact that this version of Kraven is ridiculously overpowered only to then be beaten by big monster mash alien. If the Sinister Six teamed up together, they would've probably jumped Kraven.
Yeah kraven going after C-Listers and having trouble with shocker and then allegedly clapping electro with ease makes no sense. Weird how he didn’t go against any of the other stronger/skillful villains like Taskmaster, Prowler, or Doc Ock and he neglected to fight Mr. Negative.
When he does fight top tiers in the game like Agent Venom and Venom he gets beat easily but he only gave a decent fight to black suit Peter which I personally thought was inconsistent but I’ll chalk it up to him bring a whole fucking bell to the fight.
A big part of kraven I think is overhyped is him being a hunter, I mean he just stole already captured villains in the raft and put them in arenas where he already prepped to win. Only actual hunt he went on was to get lizard which he failed since Pete got there first. Might as well just have called him Kraven the Gladiator because he wasn’t even hunting. He didn’t even personally attend hunting black cat and what was he even looking for out of a fight with black cat when a prowler or doc ock is out there. On top of him having miles fight Mr. Negative in a number one contenders match to get to him. Like you finally have two powerhouses and the game finds a way to avoid making him fight them on screen because kraven wouldn’t win.
I don’t think this Electro can turn into electricity, though apparently it was his dream to turn into pure energy.
Anyway, remember that Spider-Man can defeat Electro. So, he isn’t unbeatable. Even if he could turn into electricity, he would a weakness.
Honestly I just figured Batman's villains are just a bit too grounded compared to Spiderman's villains imo.
Most of them are basically less op versions of Spidey villains really. Croc is weaker then Lizard, clayface is weaker then sandman, bane is weaker then venom etc you get the idea
@@billyboleson2830 yea I agree it makes sense Batman is a peak human after all. It wouldn't make sense for him to constantly due battle with enemies that scale to metahuman on the regular. That being said a case can be made for comic Batman basically being at those kinds of metahuman levels.
I'm not really surprised because out of the two, the world of batman has always been a lot more grounded than spiderman with the bulk of batman's rogues gallery mainly being a threat on an ethical, intellectual or psychological level rather than a physical one.
Not only is it ironic that Kraven could make Gotham a better place, but he’d also view Batman as a giant waste of time cause he doesn’t kill 😂
Are you at all interested in making a how strong is supaidaman (Japanese Spider-Man) is? He is seriously op and I rarely see any videos about how strong he really is. If so that would be really cool.
The answer to the title is absolutely. I would even appreciate a what if comic where Kraven is swapped with Joker. Giving us something similar to the Spider-Man 2 game with Kraven hunting villains in Gothem, then having to deal with Batman. As well as Joker causing complete chaos for Spider-Man in NYC.
With how Kraven is shown in Spider-Man 2, I can't see any of them standing up to him. Deathstroke would probably be the best chance but given this version of Kraven is so powerful I don't see it going well for Deathstroke, but would be an awesome fight. Batman would have his hands full for sure
Imagine The Epic Fight And War Between Kraven The Hunter And The Kravinoff Hunters Family vs Ra's Al Ghul And The League Of Assassins
Kraven would slaughter those boys lol
Kraven solos I agree
then you drop him in during the events of Arkham Knight
I feel that would be interesting to see how he would try and handle the Fear Toxin Nuke
Better question, how would his hunters and the militia interact with each other.
These are ridiculous. Batman is a detective. That is arguably his greatest strength, figuring out who did it and bringing them to justice. Otherwise he is a highly trained human with incredible gadgets and planning. That said in a random encounter with truly SUPER human opponents he would be moving in slow motion and be over powered like a 3 year old vs a grown man. Same goes for their respective opponents. If you really want to know how it would go when heroes of different power levels fight watch Invincible.
I agree but Batman is beating Kraven
I have no arguments to back this claim
Gonna have to wait until SSKTJL to come out so we can get some more feats of Arkham Batman then we return to this topic.
Yeah he’s gonna get defeated lol
@@Dachin55555I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Arkham Batman is just one of those enemies that you can’t fight, you just run from.
So we just posting mismatches now
It’s an interesting question and a pretty natural video to make.
The problem with comparing Batman characters to Marvel characters, is that fans often try to make Batman characters "realistic" while keeping Marvel characters fantastical... Let me just put it this way, you can write off characters like Batman and Joker all you want, but they've taken down much more capable and much more powerful characters than Kraven. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to put Kraven over Solomon Grundy.
Ironically, I think that if Kraven ignored the Joker and started taking out villains it would get the Joker to start hunting Kraven as Joker has been known to be insulted when he’s left out of these kind of things, and then it’s more of an open question about who has planned around super human abilities better. Would the Joker find a way around Kraven’s speed and strength? Or would Kraven figure out how to predict the Joker’s planned chaos first? It’s outside of this discussion, I’ll grant you, but I think we have to consider how much more convoluted the planning is in the Arkham universe, which also extends to Deathstroke, Talia, and Bane. If any of the more intelligent villains aren’t taken earlier before Kraven is a known factor in the city, they’d become more dangerous outside of the arena as rivals, not prey.
I would pay next gen console prices for a single game that is based on Kraven vs. Batman, that is codeveloped by Rocksteady and Insomniac.
The thing is, Spider-Man’s rouges lean a lot more to non lethal means than the psychotic Batman villains.
Kraven’s human-
Guns work wonders on those.
Bro give me the controller for Arkham Asylum Joker and Kraven is deadmeat💀
You’d need to lower the difficulty
But the question is can kraven beat cancer?
What if the punisher went to Gotham City and killed a lot of Batman‘s enemies.
Nah, batman's enemies are DESTROYING punisher ngl. He doesnt have the skill of batman, the strength, or anything really.
@@coolcris_yt7334underestimating the punisher imo,he isn’t taking Bane nor Slade though
@@coolcris_yt7334 bro punishers plot armor is arguably stronger then Batman’s 😂
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Nah, all those villains in every game were taken down in one night
@@jayyy1677How would Frank be able to deal with people like Lawton, Needham (who is somewhat superhuman; let's pretend he isn't dead), and Diaz, who is sneaky af? 😂
I’d actually be really curious to see what insomniac kraven would do if he was put in the Arkham verse with the same motivation as in his game, of course it would only be interesting if he was nerfed so Batman would have a chance but it would be really cool to see
Although weaker, Arkham villians are WAY more skilled then insomniac villain
Batman isn’t weaker as he is at least small town level
There's not really many Arkham villians that use skill and taskmaster prob can outskill any of them by hacks
@@Fusion237 There is no Batman Arkham character who knows the city, what do you smoke?
@@ramirosapo bro Batman is around small town level scaling
*Taskmaster Ha entered The Chat*
Now that we have the suicide Squad game, I wonder what would happen if you put kraven in the suicide squad's place. A kraven: hunts the Justice League, as you will.
There’s no way Lady Shiva would lose to Kraven in any universe
Maybe with prep time, everyone has a bad day
No way this comment is real 💀kraven breaks in half
He’s too strong!
Finally! Someone else who has actually read a comic
@@rocker6607we're talking about the games. Not the comics.
Kraven wouldn't need anything fancy for Killer Croc, he could just walk up and beat the breaks off him if he wanted.
Bat family vs kraven would be a pretty good vid
You would have to equal the stats to make it fair for the Arkham characters, but then Kraven would lose if their strength was matched.
Pretty good at engaging fanboys
Out of all the villains, Kraven would probably go after Killer Croc first.
Sabertooth is more deadly than Kraven just saying
Yeah that guy is stronger then Logan of course he is lol
I know it’s part of kravens character but I think a lot of these fights would be much more interesting if batmans villains would have prep time to
As entertaining as it is to hear this, it's kind of an obvious conclusion how he stacks up. Most of the rogues aren't really about physicality. I think for fairs it would be much more interesting if you placed him in batmans role from the start and we see how he'd run the gauntlet facing them informed
As long as it’s entertaining!
Would that include resurrecting characters in the Arkhamverse to be thrown into this fight?
Needham is noted as superhuman, he is an assassin.
Killer Frost has amped ice abilities
King Shark is a Shark lol 😆, well the first one shown in thr Arkhamverse, not the new one (who might be the same, retcon probably)
They all get blitzed and one shot based on feats and scaling
Don't forget during this whole game kraven had cancer he wasn't even at his prime
I think it’s a bit weird how we’re saying he can take weapons from the villains
I think Kraven would have pumped the Joker with Titanium, since the power peak of this character is the Joker under titan, if you compare Kraven with Bane, then there are two ways, Bane from origins will most likely defeat Kraven, since the version from asylum and city will be not so smart, but he is not completely stupid, he is capable of mental activity and speech, even if Sergei demolishes all the tubes from Bane's body, the latter will still be for some time (?) he is in a state that can fight, which was seen in the game when, after defeating him, and after the ceiling fell on his head, he was not only ready to fight again, but was ready to go look for Dr. Yang, what to say if the batmobile flying at full speed did not kill him, most likely, Bane's body also hit a rock that was near the place where the batmobile fell into the water, which is why I am sure that Kraven's weapon will be useless, no knife, rifle or robo dog will be able to do something to such a carcass as Bane, and the latter has every chance to defeat him
Did everybody in the comments and this guy play the same spider man 2 in what scene did kraven use one of the tools of the people he killed I never saw him with vultures wings or shockers gauntlets so why would he now use the tools of the people he would kill like a flame thrower or a ice gun
He uses Peter's weakness against him... whether it's Firefly's flamethrower or not, he'd use fire against Mr. Freeze
Victor Zsaz, Professor Pyg, Calendar Man, Mad Hatter, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, Scarecrow, Harley, Joker, deadshot and already stand no chance.
Kraven only wins if he has them in a box with him. Many of these villains can outthink him and kill him. I feel Joker especially could kill him
No. Kraven is way smarter and more creative than you think.
Joker would piss himself in front of Kraven like he did with Punisher
@@aranha6285 From feats alone, Kraven stands no chance. In Arkham Origins alone, Joker manipulated the entire criminal underground when he first showed up and had every genius assassin after Batman at the same time. Kraven had unlimited funds and men in this game but even with that, he never actually surprised Spider-Man with his plans. Every time Batman was hiding around, Joker knew he was there. It was all a game to him. Kraven would definitely be outsmarted by Joker, Ras Al Ghul, and Deathstroke.
@@khaoss4024 Ra’s is more skilled then Kraven but aside from that Ra’s has him beat everywhere else
@@MILDMONSTER1234 what? Ras with prep almost eliminated all the criminals in Gotham all at once. Give him the same prep you give Kraven and he would definitely kill Kraven
@@aranha6285 Dunno about that, after seeing Joker fight Lawton, bro was laughing at the pain and his apparent death from a falling helicopter that was about to go boom.
i think ur giving kraven too much credit he got demolished by venom while knowing his weakness to sound and didnt use his weakness againts him
Venom is built different
Harry before he went the Venom route (agent venom) he technically beat him too.
Perhaps a comic versus would be more fair
Definitely would be
Depends
Considering kraven would be at peak and not have cancer? Definately.
Update: assault on Arkham is no longer cannon to the series due to suicide squad kill the justice league. No way that helicopter explosion was city block. Even if it was it wouldn’t matter.
This feels way too biased. In a universe like this, Kraven would be a well-known mercenary. If he is well-known, everyone would recognise him including characters like Batman, Deathstroke, Bane, etc.
Kraven wouldn't be a mystery because people already know his tactics and what to expect.
No one knew who he was in the Insomniac-verse... 0 bias, just making it consistent with Spider-Man 2,
Did you play the game? No his merc company was not well known. Besides using that as a "he wouldn't be as good if he was known" is not.... a good argument. You are not taking his physicality into consideration. His intelligence.
Someone would know. It is like some of the rogues knowing the militant group that came to Gotham were associated with The Arkham Knight, with Deathstroke being connected to it in a way.
If anything, other mercs would know besides Deadshot, Deathstroke, etc, Someone like Diaz since she is still around. Then you got the people in Blackgate lime the Bronze Tiger, who even while there knew what was up going on on the outside Rick Flag was sent by Waller to iirc recruit him and I wouldn't be surprised if Waller knew about Branaic way before the situation with the new game.
@@Zhello79 Exactly, thank you!
No one knew who he was in the Insomniac-verse... which is populated by hi-level mercs as well. I am making the scenario 1:1 with that happened in SM2; otherwise it veers off too far into fanfiction.
If kraven and bane teamed up they'd be unstoppable
Could Boba Fett(Star Wars) get rid of the Xenomorph Infestation(Alien vs Predator Requiem)?
Kraven The hunter versus the predator since they great hunting and killing their prey who will draw first blood.
Hypothetically, since he was shown on a poster, Prometheus is within the Arkhamverse.
Referencing comics, and assuming its the second version, I believe he would stomp Kraven. Prometheus (in the controversial Cry for Justice storyline) was able to defeat and outsmart the Justice League. Hes often referred to as the "Villains' Batman," and has contingencies in play to fight most that he comes across.
I thought batmans best durability feat was surviving that 45 billion joule explosion or something like that.
@@Fusion237 What r u talking about?
@@Fusion237are you saying that the non canon helicopter explosion is small town level??
@@Fusion237 what are you talking about?
@@Fusion237What are you talking about?
@@BullyHemsworth no the asylum explosion is around small town level.
The black suit Spider-Man man was a great use but just a reminder Peter was still holding back despite how far the suit corrupted him still impressive never the less
He wasn’t willing to kill, but I do think he was hitting as hard as he could.
Even if Kraven resists Scarecrow's fear gas, it would probably still scar him mentally. The toxin specifically targets your biggest fears and Kraven doesn't seem to be as tough as Bruce psychologically.
This Kraven seems mentally sound he’s literally trying to just go out on his own terms rather than die of cancer I don’t register that as mental instability
@@theyincorporated5711 Even if Kraven is mentally sound, he still has fears that could be exploited. And if you're not Bruce level mentally strong, the toxin will get to you. Remember in Arkham Asylum, "you've ingested enough toxins to drive 10 men insane. What are you?!"
@@crane7472how is bruce mentally strong when he cant stop bringing up his dead parents every 5 minutes and makes plans to fight his friends? A mentally strong person wouldnt make plans to fight their friends nor mention their trauma every 5 minutes to use it as justification to beatup the mentally ill 🤦♂️
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Because that is the one memory that has stuck with him forever. It's what made him Batman in the first place. How can he forget the very thing that made him who he is? But even in his deepest nightmares, he is still able to push through and perservere. We saw that in Arkham Asylum and Arkham Knight
@@crane7472 so he never grewup as a person beyond his childhood memories and that's what you admire about a dude that makes plans to fight his own friends and uses his trauma as a shield to beatup the mentally ill? Do you not read what you're typing?
I never considered how easy it is to take down most of the Arkham villains when going up against someone where the tables aren’t in their favor and with someone much more skilled. I think Bane might be the hardest and maybe Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze to some degree. Now I kinda want to see this fight animated in a type of Death Battle
Kraven is not more skilled than Arkham Batman 😂
You have to take into consideration the severity of the inconsistent power between all of the powerful players involved. For example. MJ being able out maneuver the hunter when Peter and Miles have hard time doing so. Peter feels weaker in this game than in the last when he shouldn’t be. Plus some the Batman villians probably wouldn’t be captured in the first place.
How does Peter feel weaker to you? Genuinely curious.
Well Mj out maneuvering him isn't a thing. She just isn't a threat to him at all so likely just escaped his notice.
Peter was resisting the symbiote when chasing MJ.
If Kraven is fighting Spiderman with symbiote suit its no way anyone from Arkham surviving
We just need batmite to put kraven in his place
Out of all of Batman’s rogues gallery, Bane is the one I feel Kraven would not be able to take down.
If Insomniac created their own version of Batman games like they made the Spider-Man games, I would definitely love to see how that would turn out. We can definitely see great somewhat revival or reboot to the Arkham games
Might as well give Insomniac everything with the state that Rocksteady is in
@@Dachin55555ah yes, Spider-Man 2 and insomniac are in a much better place
@@trippymartian8847 Yeah what’s wrong with that????
@@trippymartian8847They are tho
The Arkham games are already better than the spidermna games so why give them an inferior company
Slade,bane ,lady Shiva and ra's would give him that tai long quote " finally a worthy opponent"
Tbh many of the Arkham villains can beat Kraven, because in here, he gets prep time while others don't, if they both get time to prepare or other way around, well, it's not so easy for Kraven after all
Only the heavy hitters tho
Batman gets prep time. Talk about killing an argument.
The only one I see Kraven struggling against is Deathstroke.
Yall SEVERELY underestimate Deadshot, he never misses, is an insane hand to hand combatant, and he doesn't use normal bullets either, now I'm not saying that he would necessarily beat Kraven, that would depend on the range, because while he is an insanely good hand to hand combatant, Kraven would very likely win in close quarters, but it's a different story if it's from far away, and either way Deadshot would not be easy prey, certainly not as easy as so many people assume
Poison Ivy victim
When i entered the video i had all my bets putted into Clayface. Fighting that thing without gadgets is like catching the wind in a net
Bane, Deathstroke, Grundy and Firefly would be the most difficult to take down, but if he went up against Batman himself then he’s definitely not winning.
saying Spiderman is able to dodge electric attacks at a 'faster than light' level is pretty ignorant of what his spider-sense is supposed to be, at multiple occasions in the insomniac universe, Parker instinctively reacts to attacks **before** they happen, as shown in-game against gun-wielding enemies.
I do think it is a bit bullshit how craven gets to prepare for the fights, like make an antidote for scorpions poison, well yes ofcourse hes going to easily win because that is scorpions number 1 weapon... just weird how he wants the hardest possible fight but then completely makes his opponent best power ineffective
I like to think it’s because he has cancer, and knows he goes into every fight not at his best.
I dont think its bullshit. I think that Kraven wants someone Who can best him in a fully fledged out fight. Having Scorpion defeat him only because his poison, for Kraven that would not be and honorary death like he wanted
You mean how batman prepares? Besides you are ignoring how kraven survived that impale that would kill most of batmans rogues gallery from stab alone
@@christianu8819 The equivalent who deals with poison primarily in Arkhamverse is Diaz aka Copperhead. She isn't that strong but she can throw hands, very agile and she tends to hunt her targets.
There was Needham aka Black Spider but unfortunately he was killed by Waller. He was low superhuman and iirc Batman defeated him.
Kraven is indeed a villain’s villain. Respect
Ok, deathstroke and lady Shiva would literally give kraven the run for his money. Plus, deathstroke uses 99% of his brain, and Shiva is literally the best hand to hand combat in the DC universe
If batman can beat them kraven can 100% beat them. Not saying it'd be easy though. Honestly? I'd love to see deathstroke vs kraven.
Ras and Bronze Tiger also, they're in the Arkhamverse.
@@justingovas415 Batman never really beat shiva tho
kraven already had the antidode of scorpions poison before he fought him .