Spider-Man feels better then the Batman games because he's much faster and the city is so much more alive then the Arkham games where they just have criminals and cops. A lot people say the Batman combat is better but it's actually not because Batman literally relies on one button to keep up your combos while Spider-Man has multiple ways to continue combos and defeat opponents. Batman in comparison feels very limited and most people don't even use gadgets in combat so yeah Spider-Man is the better game but Batman has less fluff and no annoying MJ sections.
Batman doesn't dodge bullets it's literally in the name. It's a "fear takedown" the enemies are too scared and surprised to properly aim and shoot him so he takes advantage and takes a few of them down. If he could always do this then gun enemies wouldn't be able to hit him throughout the game.
Batman does dodge bullets quite easily he does it to deadshot heck even darksieds omega beams you can do it in game cause then it wouldn't be a challenge not saying this means he beats spiderman but both can easily dodge projectiles
@@chucklesthebagel2121, the video is comparing the video game universe not the comics. You don’t want to compare comics bc there’s an issue where Spider-man gets granted the powers of the universe.
it’s crazy cuz i just replayed spider-man and peter had an ability to after her perfect dodges he slows down time and completely perception blitz’s his enemy like bro i perfect dodged a bullet behind me in an air combo and after i went to the ground bro still thought i was in the air
@@maurito13fx64 To be fair tho, Batman doesn't have to absolutely destroy everyone, he just does it to get the fear factor and villains will snitch if Batman asks them anythint. Compared to Spidey where the villains don't take him seriously. But Spiderman 2 with the Venom suit you will see the closest thing to Batman yet. He will be actively trying to hurt people
7:53 I think to help Spider-Man more here is that Peter has 14 broken bones at this point and STILL walks this off. So a tired and weakened Spider-Man still has a better feat compared to Batman’s feat of tanking being thrown through a wall. A year late on this, I know lol. I think Peter wins in a fight against Batman, both with and without prep time, although it’d be a harder time for Peter to fight against Arkham Batman with that prep time. Peter just has better feats in comparison.
Spider-Man is NOT beating Batman with equal prep on both sides lol wdym? Batman is DRASTICALLY smarter than Spider-Man and it also has a lot to do with the fact on how they prep. When Spider-Man preps for someone, he just builds something off screen that supposedly works. When Batman preps for someone, he makes a calculated, orchestrated series of rhythmic blows which are specifically designed for the character he's fighting against, actively finding out a chink in someone's armor, pretty much making a new anti feat. Peter is as smart as he is dumb, this guy is ridiculously naive and easy to trick, like Black Cat managed to manipulate him and characters like Silver Sable managed to stump him, Batman with prep would absolutely obliterate Spider-Man and I'm unsure how do you even rationalize it otherwise. Like this mf preps for JL, what tf is Spider-Man gonna do?
@@Justafeint Like what exactly? Lol who the hell did Spider-Man defeat with prep who is SO MUCH MORE superpowered than the Justice League, Darkseid, Reverse Flash etc.
I know its not in the game but in the comics, Iron Fist says that Spiderman's hand to hand combat is one of the most difficult to deal with because of how unpredictable and unorthodox it is
@@DooDooWater9732-n5z Spidey also has a training arc with Shang Chi during a period where Spidey lost his Spidersense. So he indeed has a fighting style in the comics.
I do feel like the "Way of the spider" martial art that spiderman uses is something batman would have an odd time adjusting to as well. Spiderman has in my opinion alone and I mean a lot more agility than batman. Plus he can fire off more webs than batman can toss tools, has drones, has holograms, has electro webbing. I know batman has an arsenal but so does peter
@@spider-man500 The most agile character would most likely be Mr. Fantastic. Honestly there are a number of characters that would have that title like Night Crawler, Daredevil, etc
I love how badass and intimating Arkham Batman looks with his new suit in Knight. Going by all his feats from Origins to Knight, Batman is most likely low tier superhuman along with his extensive knowledge of martial arts. He displayed 19 different styles of fighting I believe throughout the games. He was getting choked out by Bane in Origins while he was getting bigger due to the venom and then got slammed to the floor breaking it and somehow Batman was still alive and didn't pass out. However, all of this won't be able to beat Insomniac Spider-Man because Spider-Man is basically Batman minus the brutal interrogation and pointy ears. Low tier superhuman isn't much compare to actual superhuman and with that spider-sense, Batman would have difficulty just trying to tag Spidey.
Spider-Man is just a bad match up for Batman all around. Peter is too fast and too strong, and yes Bruce fights superhuman types all the time. But Peter with Spidey sense moves in bullet time, even if you were someone like Electro or vulture dive bombs are still too slow for peter
@@BonzerMrT That's what i like of batman. He is just a normal human with the best martial arts knowledge, but still go toe to toe with beings that are not normal like him. He can beat spider-man but it will be a tuff battle for him. He needs some kind of disruptor to throw at pete
In terms of gameplay I'm sorry Marvel's Spiderman ps4 has a great story but it can't compete with batman arkham knight in over game satisfaction. Now in terms of powers based on comics if it's one on one, Spiderman is whooping batmans tail. There is no gadget to save him.
@@ezzekieldirks8542 unless batman has full access to a green Lantern ring permanently, his chances of defeating Spiderman is 0.1. Now if it's batman with a green Lantern ring alone Spiderman and both marvel and DC multiverses are in trouble.
Regardless of feats batman is still just within human limitations strength, speed, reflexes, reaction time ect. Spider-Man is superhuman in every category, and no matter how good batman is in a blind fight that was serious, parker is beyond human because remember that parker always pulls his punches, look what happened with kingpin when Spider-Man decided to be serious in the comics and even then he probably wasn't using all his strength and considering that insomniac spider-man is more or less relative to his comic book counterpart I think that's a pretty fair assessment, while I'm not saying kingpin is as good as batman, far from it but just like batman kingpin is human, I do however think batman would win in certain situations such as gadgets, tactical awareness, and experience.
You do know Batman knows 127 Martial Arts. Right? And king pin knows less im guessing. Hes also smart enough to beat Darkseid the thanos of DC which is also stronger than Thanos + he was the only known guy who has dodged The Laser of Darkseid which is a laser that can 1 shot anyone and turn em into dust. Funfact that lazer tracks the opponents movement he was able to dodge a undodgeable laser.
@@DADADANSOL so what? I train in Muay Thai and ju-jitsu and a good fighter, does that mean I can beat someone less skilled than me but physically superior to me without using eye poking or other dirty fighting? And I did say 'not saying kingpin is better than batman' if you actually read my comment properly, and that feat batman did was one time and complete luck because it wasn't that long ago batman got hit by the omega sanction and turned him into a smoking carcass. Batman is walking plot armour plain and simple, and if you want to get technical, while this isn't canon by any means, batman fought Captain America in JLA/Avengers in which he stated he wouldn't win against the captain, you know who else fought Captain America whilst holding back.....yep you guessed it. When serious Spider-Man slaps regular humans around like a ragdoll, again batman is still human and consistently get tagged by street level criminals and in a real fight with no prior knowledge it would be difficult for batman to fight Spider-Man for sure and will probably but will probably win because of spider-man's light hearted nature and pulled punches, which batman can use his experience, technology, and tactical training to pull the win. A serious Spider-Man though is a different story.
@@DADADANSOL yes, but that Lazer feat was BS, as Flash can't dodge it either and he is literally far faster than light. Also, all that martial arts training won't be doing Bats any good against someone who can sense his every move and move way faster to dodge, or redirect his hits. Also, Spider-Man lifted the Bugle skyscraper before. I don't see Batman lifting a Skyscraper. And that skyscraper feat isn't Plot Induced Stupidity either, as many times Spidey has shown to be able to be as strong as that, in "If This Be My Destiny", when he lifts much of Doc Ock's underwater base (keep in mind that base had water pressure pushing down on the already 100+ tons of metal that entrapped him, and was flooding in around his lower legs), and in Superior, when Hulk and Thor, the strongest Avengers, had Spider-Man with what they thought was a firm grasp, and Hulk said he felt him move, while Thor admired the strength of 'this mortal' (Superior isn't any stronger than classic, he just has Doc Ock possessing Parker's body). He's also one-shot Rhino in the Fabric Black suit the Black Cat made for him (it doesn't increase his strength at all, it's just a fabric replica Felicia made for Peter cause she thought it made him look better), and has landed a plane when it was malfunctioning with just his strength. Batman just doesn't have much of a chance that someone who literally could KO him with a flick of his finger (he did that in the 90s in a comic where Mark Bagley was the Artist), or at most, a punch.
@@DADADANSOL knowing 300 fighting styles means nothing when the person your fighting physically out classes you in every way. You can’t grab and punch a person that moves faster than bullet time with Spidey sense
@Devran Demirocak well based off of games there's no debate Arkham knight is superior plus you have a catalog of 3 other games based on batman. Spiderman is just getting started with the continuation of miles as his side kick.
Batman was supposed to be the pinnacle of human physical evolution; but if he had Spiderman’s strength, speed, and agility, he’s be damn near unstoppable.
@@newhybrid101 don’t forget…Batman is borderline light speed. And has the power to chuck super man through stone pillars with no additional power boost. Batman strongest there is, batman is immortal
Isn't it stated that Rhino is at least a city block level character up to a multi-city block level? To which Peter directly scales to (him getting knocked out in the beginning of the Miles game is a big anti-feat, but it is an outlier, considering Peter has dealt with him a bunch of times previously). I *love love love* Arkham Batman, but he isn't Insomniac Spidey level.
That feat you're talking about is way to vague since we don't know if Rhino destroyed 6 city blocks in one hit or if he was simply destroying stuff. It's too vague to really get anything concrete. Spider-Man still wins, but still.
@@LightningvsLightning However from the opening of SM:MM we know that Peter can take city block level damage with little effort, as he was holding onto Rhino when he demolished the power plant and was still actively fighting Rhino afterwards, while Miles was busy with the Raft escapees.
@SWTobito0702 We never see Rhino destroy a city block or something comparable to that. It's only stated, and for all we know, that could've been overtime.. Granted, Spider-Man 2 will most likely make Spider-Man town level because of Miles feat at the end of the game, but that's another time.
This video makes me want to see Insomniac do a Batman game now. Having the whole of Gotham city with numerous crimes to stop. Preferably a bit of an established Batman like Spider-Man on PS4. Oh and maybe an option to visit the criminals in prison or Arkham Asylum. Possibly for certain side-missions/main story moments.
Nah the Arkham series needs to be rebooted with the amazing writing from city, asylum & knight. Next gen graphics, an open world on par with Gotham knights, a regular batmobile, locations like : the asylum, blackgate, Wayne manor & the cave. A long ass story spanning in game days or months and make it gritty leaning into the detective aspect which Arkham only touched on. Rn the industry’s focusing on co-op rpg style games but a single player batman masterpiece will eventually return. The arkhamverse is finished but Batman isn’t
i think one of the best feats Spidey has shown from the game is stopping a tower crane from falling which weighs at about 400k lbs or 200 tons. Not only does it show off Peter’s strength but his web’s durability as well, no way Bruce is gettin outta that 12:33 it’s wild when you think about it cuz bruce has the better resources 🤣
@@HoodedSpidey for gameplay purposes of course, otherwise the game would be like 5 minutes long considering just how much stronger-faster-durable Spider-Man is compared to most foes in the game.
@@aibartalgatuly3011 well obviously but I mean Batman gameplay wise moves way faster than Spider-Man does and it’s not even close. Get a combo going and Arkham batman turns into the flash😂
@@EtherealAfro He does always hold back, he's trained in every single martial art with the best teachers. When Joker takes hold of his body in the blimp, you see that he doesn't hold back (as it isn't him anymore) and he uses more lethal methods to harm the soldiers. Although spiderman definitely holds back so does Bruce. I know this isn't about the comics but Bruce in them has learned many lethal martial arts which could kill In a single blow.
Ya know..I always notice people forget tactics and personality when comparing two characters. It's not just power for power. I.E. Batman uses fear, planning and misdirection tactics... spidermans more of a "wing it" kind of guy. That has to play in. Both characters have taken down other villians MUCH more powerful than themselves for a reason.
yeah, but that doesn´t matter with spider-man considering he fights stronger people than him in other medium and keeps making jokes, even when dying, that means batmans tactics don´t matter, and batman needs planing, that means making them fight with no previous preparation spider-man wins
Honestly, if Insomniac is to do a game in the Batman universe, I think they should do a game with Nightwing instead. Given how much more acrobatic Dick is, I think the Spider-Man engine would work better for him. Doing backflips off of buildings, jumping between platforms and swinging from his Ecrisma Sticks like his trapeze days.
The fear takedown is NOT batman dodging bullets. The thugs are scared and therefore not aiming properly. He moves quickly but he is most definitely not dodging bullets during it
you mustn't of played the game, He upgraded the suit on the start of the game that allows him to move faster, Hence why he "didn't" have that move in the previous games
Arkham Batman really is built different. Being able to one-shot the superhuman Deathstroke is no small feat. However I believe Insomniac Spider-Man takes the win.
I’m surprised you didn’t go over Spider-Man’s suit mods, power moves (L3 + R3) along with the ability to heal on the fly. Granted this would have made him stomp harder against Arkham Batman but great vid nonetheless
Yeah, it would be a matter of proving which ones are canon which would probably be underwhelming and or convoluted. I think I took the best route explaining the 100% canonical components.
7:32 BS. Unlike bulletproof superheroes who lift 55 tons and up, Spider-Man can only lift 10 tons. Thusly, he compensates by being ABLE to dodge bullets. If you've ever tried to kill a spider, certain species actually can JUMP out of the way at the last second! BATMAN is a human (not a meta), so he have to bulletproof his suit like the PUNISHER and like in Tim Burton's movies. Burton realized, a man in semi-armored costume cannot move fast enough to dodge bullets. He's not wearing light weight metal, like Nth or Vibranium. These games LIE! CatWoman dodging bullets is understandable. She is no longer human, if you go by her movie origin. She's supernatural. And, if you've fought her in INJUSTICE, you'll see she has AMAZING PHENOMINAL reflexes.
So at one point, this Spiderman became a Speedster? That's kind of a unique mix of powers if I'm honest. I wonder how an encounter with Quicksilver would've went.
I know it’ll never happen, but I would love a crossover game with co-op at the forefront. I’d love to traverse a city either with gliding and the Batmobile while Spidey is swinging from the rooftops. It would be so fun to watch. And the combat would be amazing with Batman weaving and countering while Spider-Man is constantly dodging and launching fools.
Since the games are so similar to each other. I always wished there was a DLC that both DC and Marvel made that allowed for players to use the maps from the AR and Spiderman's challenges just to test see how each other would be able to handle. At least for the stealth, combat, and gadget challenges. I've always wanted to test Batman out during Taskmasters and Screwball's missions I want to see how many thugs Batman would take out without being seen during the stealth missions. Then Spiderman would also be pretty fun to play as for Batman's AR challenges, he probably could also do Batman's races as well.
@@superluigi9490 Would be funny to because while Screwball would find Batman both interesting and entertaining she would eventually regret it or find him no fun due to the fact at the end of it Batman would most likely break her phones and cameras deleting any footage she had on him, which would probably make him more challenging. Taskmaster would find Batman a worthy opponent based on his intellect, skills, and will (Batman is a guy with no powers who stands up to tough enemies and refuses to kill or give up that's going to count for something. Since Taskmaster likes to copy others fighting styles he's definitely going to want to test Batman out and challenge him just so he can absorb everything Batman has learned, if Batman can outsmart and think quicker then Taskmaster he might be able to hold his own. For Spiderman if use him for any Riddler's maps you will definitely hear a lot of ranting because Riddler would get annoyed at Spiderman's intelligence and knowing Riddler he refuses to admit anyone else is smarter then him. But like I said it's just the AR maps and missions I want for just taking out the regular thugs.
I feel like the miles v nightwing probably wasn't the best comparison simply because I do think that Miles's experience, or lack there of, would make his fight against nightwing much harder
@@xXGabrielTrapXx I'll give you that, but miles only just started, and I simply don't think that he is capable of handling Nightwings years of experience
@@senorchucke.cheese2028 Even still experience don’t matter if your opponent is stronger faster more durable and has superpowers when you don’t unless you know their weakness or come up with a battle strat to immobilize them then you’d lose.
Insomniac’s Spiderman achievements are REALLY impressive if you think about it. In the span of a handful of days, he did the following (with some minor help) : • Finally finished the Kingpin and his empire for good. • Thwarted Martin Li and his demon gang (the first time). • Fought and seemingly won against Taskmaster (who is considered to be an “Avengers level threat”. And while pretty badly injured he: •Restored Order in Manhattan when everything was up in chaos with escaped convicts and such. •Ran Sable International out of New York. • Solo’d the Sinister 6 (engaging two at a time). • Defeated Martin Li AGAIN and (with the help of a new suit) Doc Ock just within an hour or two of eachother, whilst being EVEN MORE injured. And just 3 months after that : • Put a crazed (and really annoying) twitch streamer behind bars. •Matched Silver Sable in combat. •Defeated an empowered Hammerhead (once on his own and the second with Sable) his gang (heavily enhanced with Sable tech) and ended a violent gang war between him and the Maggia. I’m probably missing some but that’s just in the first game alone .
Is the winner even a question??? Spider-Man can lift over 10 tons and has been displayed lifting several times that in the game. This is no fucking contest. He folds Batman’s ass.
@@Death67890Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win
Comparing these two series is bullshit. Arkham series showed the world how good superhero games can be. It made people get interested in superhero video games. It is a trend setter for superhero games. Spiderman games adapted many good aspects of Batman games and refined them with modern technology. In my opinion Arkham game is older sibling and insomniac is younger sibling.
@@uditvedantmishra9719 last year when city had its 10th anniversary some Spiderman 2018 fans popped up in the comment sections to rave on about how overrated the arkham games are. also Spiderman popularity is at all time high especially since 2018 how could it not. Sony pulled out all the stops to market the games and you should expect the sequel to get just as much if not more attention. I can give you a crash course of how they kept it in the minds of the people. 2018 April game informer coverage started and they went in depth with the gameplay combat traversal even the little details like moving eyelenses and even the suit had a video dedicated to it like Spiderman is the first to incorporate carbon fiber in his suit and his white symbol tricking opponents (batman already had that in arkham as explained in universe) then they did the just the facts trailer reiterating that information, then they did even more videos about the suit, combat and traversal again, had a New York subway painted red, game was on billboards, cross promotions with the various movies relating to Spiderman like showing us the iron spider suit close to the debut of infinity war, into the spiderverse suit was added December with silver lining dlc, no way home they had another trailer while releasing the suits same goes for far from home but that was silent release. Miles morales got the same treatment with a demo using the into the spiderverse suit which moved exactly like it did in the movie with the visor and suit mods to created the affect accompanied by the trailer then add a mural and that's without counting the trailers in between. Let's add insomniac studios overall communication with the fans. WB Montreal are quiet for a whole console generation only to come out with Gotham knights game that let's be honest has caused a divide in the arkham community for its direction. Rocksteady goes silent for 5 years only to give us the suicide squad a team let's be honest we didn't want to play as. We are constantly waiting for answers we want to see more but they are quiet. While insomniac has come out and shown that they have Spiderman 2 and Wolverine in development.
personally I think spiderman can defeat batman even if its just hand to hand because he has defeated task master someone who went toe to toe with the avengers and he's able to copy their moves with his photographic memory and his fast adaption speed in a battle against cap he said "taskmaster analyzes fighting styles in seconds then counters" and even with all that he was still beaten by spiderman now Im not saying batman cant beat taskmaster but I also think task master can beat batman if hes able to analyze batman's combative abilities fast enough then the battle could be a draw or taskmaster wins (also taskmaster was analyzing spiderman throughout the entire game so he literally had prep time and still lost and they fought multiple times)
That’s comic Taskmaster, in the SM PS4 universe we don’t even have any info/scaling for the Avengers. So as it stands Arkham Batman is a better H2H fighter than Taskmaster. So if Spider-Man and Batman were equal in strength, Batman would have a skill advantage.
@@CRISIS_COMICS I mean, while fighting task manager in the game, he does actually mention the super hero team "I went toe to toe with the avengers, you're nothing" is what he says
@@Sea-Bird.. It’s a version of the Avengers that we’ve never seen before and now very little about, the MCU Avengers are totally different than the comics so we know not all versions are made equal in terms of feats and scaling.
@@lagforce7473 im not saying thats the main reason spiderman would win but cmon if spiderman didnt hold back and actually killed people he would slam batman
@@Ok-sn5qc except Spider-Man wouldn’t do that and Batman would have Probably knew about Spider-Man and been studied him and would probably subdue him before he would stop holding back but if he did go out yea Batman will lose
@@Ok-sn5qc Batman is called the worlds greatest detective for a reason Batman has to be a master at science in order to have that title since a lot of Biology and science play a key role in being a detective
The power of both of then is always super inconsistent. like he can dodge lightning but can be tagged by a common thug. Power scaling is a funny thing tbh. I still love the vids tho man!!
Gameplay mechanics, imagine how boring it would be if you got to play as a full power version of that character. Plus characters like Pete are constantly holding back
@@shirakojeda6927 exactly. Lore and gameplay are separate. Spider-Man is op af. He would def beat homelander. He would be able to dodge all of his attacks no problem and his strength would knock out homelander. Possibly kill him.
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The Arkham games dominate the superhero genre rn. You can’t really say anything negative about them because they paved the way for games like spiderman to release. Rocksteady crafted 3 masterpiece’s, and arguably the only flaw was the batmobile. The thugs in Arkham react as the story progresses & also reference batman & the larger dc universe’s Mythos & listening to their conversations can be entertaining
Imagine a crossover where batman makes a Battlesuit to catch up to Spidermans level physically, then they fight each others villains.. only in a perfect world.
skill is useless when you opponent is far physically stronger, tougher, and faster. also in Miles Morales Peter was able to tank multiple explosions and get a beating from rhino and still continue to fight.
While don't think insomniac spiderman is anywhere near the level of 616, he's still superior in every way than batman, give his fighting and intellect. Those lightning speeds are not real, out of context. Arkham batman is insane, but be isn't beating spiderman, especially if spiderman actually tries, but either way, he's still coming out on top
I'd also like to mention that Miles and Peter do scale to eachother since they fought the same opponents (namely Rhino and Vulture) also worth noting that the Scaling Spidey has it's obviously much more concrete since he's stronger than Electro and dodges Lighting himself while Batman is obviously weaker than Bane and arguably slower than Catwoman
@@CRISIS_COMICS i mean Rhino is clearly stronger than either though.And Peter fought Rhino and Scorpion at the same time while Miles fought him with Peter's help (at first).
@@CRISIS_COMICS let me say it like this. Rhino is clearly stronger than Miles. Peter can take hits from Rhino. I rest my case. PS don't spoil Spiderman 2 please because I haven't played it yet so don't bring scaling from there if there is any
This is good but i think you overlooked a couple of points, miles absorption is conscious not passive, he also has a natural resistance to his own energy discharge and that's why he survived the explosion, an it has been prove multiple times that an above average human of substancial skill can in in fact harm the spiders phisically even without a comparable level of strenght.
If I'm being truly honest in terms of power scaling Spider Man absolutely claps Bat Man. And in my opinion the Insomniac Spider Man games are better too.
I honestly don’t know how people think Batman can go toe to toe with people who have legit powers. Batman is overrated and over hyped. This is coming from a Batman fan who watched all his movies, played majority of his games and literally practiced quoting him daily.
@@trevorphilips9065 see you fail to realize, Peter ALWAYS HOLDS BACK! If Peter wanted to he could crush sable with one punch. Batman is not surviving a single punch from Peter if he decided to not hold back.
@@iplayvideogames4678 Yet he didn't it happened two times and Pete got beaten even in the DLC we see how Silver Sable can hold her own against spider-man and it doesn't matter how much power spider-man has he always holds back he wouldn't go as far as to kill Batman hahaha its hilarious when people say Spider-Man could kill batman with one punch yet Batman has fought Superman and for the same reason Superman lost he held back because he's not sadistic and neither is Spider-Man
@@trevorphilips9065 so think about what you just said. Batman is so outclassed people have to hold back and just then he BARELY WINS and you think that’s impressive?
As far as games I don't know which series I like more overall but I have specific things that I like more about each, Spider-Man is easier for me to relate to as a main character because he isn't an emotional brick wall, he's younger and is intelligent but realistic intelligent (basically as close as I'm going to get to my Nightwing game unless Gotham Knights ends up being super good), and as far as which character wins a vs. you would think Spider-Man would easily win based on superhuman vs. non-superhuman but superhero content is known for feats and power scaling not lining up at all, and non-superpowered heroes being able to scale to characters that would easily beat them following real-world logic so if Batman can be on a team with mostly superpowered characters many of which are Spider-Man levels of strong and still be considered one of if not the best on the team I have to put portrayal over logic The way the characters are portrayed in the games it seems like they're equal-ish in terms of unarmed combat and stealth, but Spider-Man is better at dealing with armed enemies in a straight fight because of his ability to much more consistently dodge bullets The reason why I'm having trouble with the Spider-Man holding back thing at least in the games is because Spider-Man can actually be knocked out/killed about as easily as Batman despite being able to lift a lot more Him holding back offensively makes sense but I don't know about dying on purpose
Not really, the logic is that both characters at least in the games and movies are often capable of dying or taking similar amounts of damage about equally easily from enemies of similar scale whether it's in game cutscenes or by the implication that the enemies you face while controlling the character are supposed to be a challenge, in this case Spider-Man can't face-tank punches from thugs or gunshots, or Green Goblin's...shuriken things Obviously canonically they don't actually die from gameplay, you could die from just one basic thug or not take a hit during the entire playthrough The Spider-Sense does allow Spider-Man to take on more armed enemies head-on, but bullets don't bounce off of him so that sends the message that even if he's pulling his punches his durability isn't so high that he's not capable of dying to the kinds of enemies you would see in Arkham
8:40 about H2H combat skills. I did some research on the foes Insomniac Spidey fought and is able to come up with plans in H2H combat against fighters like Taskmaster who can replicate his moves and anticipated them perfectly and he even countered him successfully by studying him as well in combat and he fought Sable who was trained by the greatest warriors by birth also in the Spider-Geddon guidebook his fighting skills are a (4) just like Earth 616 Spider-Man who is an experienced fighter who fought on par with master martial Arts and 4 in fighting skills means experienced H2H combat. So what I'm saying is that Insomniac Spidey can match ARK Batman in H2H combat even if the latter has the slight edge.
It definitely not a slight edge, spiderman has super strength, speed and endurance. Take his powers away and put their martial arts to the test then Batman would own him. Spiderman was probably only able to do those things because of super strength and his spider sense
@@sackboyx9128 strategy and skill aren't superpowers. If that was the case Spidey would have lost already. And it ain't like Batman is normal either he is near Superman human level. I was merely presenting evidence that a H2H combat fight with Spidey is a high difficult one also Spidey taught Miles H2H combat before the latter being Spider-Man himself. That part isn't surprising cause in the comics Spider-Man knows a majority of fighting moves like Tomoe Nage kick, Judo, Boxing, swing kicks and flying kicks and he stated to be a trained fighter by the time he fought off the Big Man and the Enforcers. He had mand practiced fights when overpowering Earth 51838 Spider-Man. He also studied Captain America's fighting style which allowed him to get better at H2H combat, trained by him in calculating moves and H2H combat training in the current issues of Amazing Spider-Man Vol.5 #86 when Peter was recovering from the U-Foes blasts. He also was trained by Shang Chi into practicing his moves a hundredfold a thousand times a day, beat him in a H2H combat sparring match and matched Julia Carpenter in H2H combat as the final lesson and Nick Spencer confirmed he has been practing it every day. He also times to fighting skills in combat. he can thinks like a warrior in combat against Iron Fist and Taskmaster who can anticipate moves. Spider-Man also was stated to be a professional wrestler twice stated by Ant-Man and Reptile. He is also an Avenger and Avengers figures out strategies in their foes and have H2H combat training. Spider-Man also trained Hope Summers and Alpha in H2H combat moves as well beings more powerful than him. Also his fighting skills are a 4 which is experienced implying that Spider-Man is an experienced H2H combatant and it is stated multiple times he is an experienced fighter. Skill, experience and strategic plans are not superpowers they are natural talents you pick up in battle. You can combine them with the powers you have that is for sure but Spider-Man doesn't rely on might when he has those talents with him.
@@playerback7722 I’m not saying he doesn’t have intelligence, strategy or experience. I’m saying that the stuff he tried when he has powers would never work when he doesn’t have those powers. For example in the game, his spider sense warns him every time someone attacks, and he has the agility to jump out of the way or lunge into attack. Do you really think he could hold a candle to taskmaster without those abilities? Also the reason why Batman is in peak condition is because he trains his strength everyday. He once had a corn dog and said to himself that he would need to kick a lot of trees to work it out, that probably shows the amount of effort he puts in everyday to stay in physical shape. Spiderman might have trained in a couple of martial arts but without his powers he would never had those strength to beginning with, don’t forget he was a nerdy kid before getting bitten. Yes those spiderman feats you just pointed out are impressive but they seem to only be impressive because of his powers, where as Batman started off normal and trained his ass off to get to where he is. Take Superman for example he was trained by Batman, Wonder Woman and knows kryptonian martial arts. It all seems impressive when he uses it with his powers or uses it against someone who’s never had any fighting experience. But once those powers goes and he fights someone skilled, he gets his ass beat every time. He once agree to fight Muhammed Ali without his powers, and he was soo confident that he would win, but Muhammed Ali knocked his ass out straight away. I also remember reading this comic where he loses his powers and starts training with robin, and robin literally fucks him up.
@@sackboyx9128 yes but this is H2H combat which you don't need powers for. He would be a powerhouse which he needs to rely on strength but he doesn't. Of course he wouldn't perform agility stunts without it until proven otherwise and Spidey while depowered fought off Tarantula who fought on par with his superpowered self and defeated Hydra Agents who defeated a Shield Agents who fighting skills are enough to fight off a superpowered being. That doesn't really refute what I said tho. Batman isnt normal as he has trained his body to superhuman levels and that is why he capable of taking on superhumans himself. So of course Batman is gonna beat someone with no powers Superman has shown to hold his own against superpowered being while depowered using cunning, speed and agility. Even Batman one time stated he can hold his own with the skills he learned and i heard that Muhammad Ali fight was rigged on purpose. A person who completely relies on pure power is someone like Spider-Gwen as it was stated multiple times she has no technique or real fighting skill she just relies on hitting hard or characters from the Webtoon series Unordinary they rely on power which makes them cocky and mindless while in a fight while the otherd are more combat experience and have strategy.
@@sackboyx9128 The feats I pointed out for Spidey you don't need powers for and he knows that as well. It takes a combination of strength and skill. He would just lack the power in strikes and focus on technique. He comes up with plans while fighting in H2H combat simultaneously even when he was depowered as well and the fact he studied Captain America's fighting style to better in H2H combat skills proof it further. I can use X-Men who have powers were trained by Wolverine and were able to defeat Normal opponents while depowered.
Fuck, I like this channel for providing more lore on superhero abilities, these studios forget that the amazing thing about superheros is the power..... I like how anime can spend 10 minutes of dialogue just talking about their powers
Insomniac wins for me because it builds onto the foundation Batman set. The traversal is way more fun, the combat feels more open, and the game just feels more fun and it doesn't take itself as seriously. Also, Peter Parker is a way more likable character than Bruce Wayne.
I feel like Batman has the upper hand because he gauges his opponent, strength, well also attacking. but Spider-Man is more defensive of a character, and uses certain scenarios to his favor. Like how was Miles going to absorb that much energy and it’s simple fight against Batman. The only thing he has his punches and kicks, which would be really extremely strong but and Batman is just far superior when it comes to Martial arts and hand to hand combat. Being the worlds greatest detective being able to rivals Spider-Man Spidey sense with his natural ability to assist situations and intentions. Spider man may be clever but Batman is brutally aggressive and deadly. He actually could probably kill the poor spiders vary easily.
Idk what copium you’re on but do stay off of them. Only way I see Batman winning is his usual lose a couple of times, then devise a strategy and make new tools etc to throw SM off his rhythm because he’s pretty much king when it comes to doing that. He has fought beings that are out of his leagues yes, but he’s still human at the end of the day. No superhuman strength, no great hacks, and or enhanced senses.
It’s probably gonna come down to scenario. If Spider-Man comes at batman without knowing who Spider-Man is then Spider-Man. But if Batman has prep time he wins.
And i won't advise a hero vs hero match as the point is just to prove the power not the point each hero represent. This is my point of view. Sorry if I was offensive
That's all good but I think it's worth mentioning intelligence in there a lot more. I could definitely see batman out strategizing Spiderman to fight him on his own terms where Bruce has the advantage
Spider Man é extremamente inteligente, inclusive ele cria equipamentos altamente tecnológicos sendo pobre enquanto isso Batman depende das empresas Wayne e do Lucius Fox.
@@tamd5670 spider man is way more intelligent than Batman , not only insomniac spider man has better gadgets too in my opinion but he created all of them with way less resources, that spider man suit can literally scan everything, plus he’s a super human and people forget but insomniac spider man has way more gadgets, when he went after his drive , we saw a whole list with gadgets he created, he just decided to use the web bomb at the moment but he has a lot of shit
I’m surimi surprised the riddler laser was never touched upon. If you use that and say it’s between mhs to rel to potentially ftl you could say he speed blitzes Peter. Regardless pretty good video overall
Taskmaster himself claimed that he had gone toe to toe with the universe's avengers, which indicates that he is an extremely formidable oponent. Therefore, i think he is at least on par if not slightly below batman in combat.
@@userwkr6mywxsd693 how useful would martial arts techniques be in a fight against an elephant, grizzly bear, or t-rex? martial arts are developed entirely for effectiveness against humans, humans without obscene super strength/agility/etc... spider-man is far beyond the human vulnerabilities or even adhering to the same human physics which martial arts techniques are 100% based on taking advantage of that no unpowered human’s mastery of them-no matter how great-is going to be any more effective on him than they would be against a wild tiger 😆
@@LeadMetal82 Arkham Batman is a more skilled fighter than anyone in all of the Insomniac universe, he’s also constantly mixing it up in combat so even if we suppose Taskmasker could even adapt at all Batman would just switch it up on him over and over and clean his clock. There’s no evidence to say that THAT version of Taskmaster can hang in there with Arkham Batman.
@@princssnasty Batman isn’t fighting any of those is he tho?this is just talking about spiderman,and batman isn’t your normal human,if he just straight up punched spiderman he would be damaged
I notice you give Batman a lot of extra stats based on technicalities, but that is sort of fair considering it doesn’t matter since Batman cannot predict anything Spider-Man will do, while Spider-Man can predict everything Batman can do. Spider man’s spider sense not only tells him he’s in danger, but also how he should react which is how he so perfectly reacts all the time. So it doesn’t how great a martial artist Batman is, Spider man can anticipate and react accordingly. But biggest of all, Batman’s greatest strength is his use of fear and his martial arts. But since Spider man can sense what’s going to happen before it happens neither are an issue to him, plus the major but minor sounding factor that Spider man made his own fighting style. Batman knows nothing about it, and it makes him move in such an inhuman way nothing Batman knows can possibly let him anticipate, especially the moves seen in the PS4 game. Imagine Batman’s surprised when Spider man web zips at him, punches him in the face, then slides under him and knocks him to the ground. You can’t anticipate that. Not to mention, he has some really weird gadgets that make Batman practically helpless. All of his gadgets are designed to set his enemies up to be helpless which are also quite unpredictable especially since it seems his webs fire faster then bullets. If Batman can’t dodge a bullet mid travel how is he gonna dodge an impact web? It doesn’t matter how much knowledge Batman has, Spider man is everything that makes Batman’s techniques useless.
Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win
I once read that Spider Senses isn't that much different from Superman's senses. Lex Luthor has been said to be able to outsmart both which means Batman might be able to find away around Spiderman's senses as well.
The spider-men would pretty much almost win, however i do wander about how the disruptor may interact with peter's web shooters if batman can land a shot on them.
I’m more worried about the fact he glanced of the fact he said all of Batman’s suit are cannon dude can just strait up kill Spider-Man with a lantern ring
Not really you take one character and put him against another you explain their feats, statements, abilities, skill, and experience then you compare the two characters whichever one has the better stats between the two wins
@@turnerbrawley4715 it is not about who the writer “likes more” it is about the situation or the story they are trying to tell. I do believe Spider-Man would beat Batman if they just came across each other on the street, but give Batman time to prepare and plan he is a much different, more powerful beast. I say it’s up to the writers because they can always change a circumstance or want a story to be told in some way.
@@jhatch9 I completely agree with you bro Spiderman wins if they just see each other and started fighting Batman wins if he has prep time wait I realized something with prep time couldn't Batman make something to disable spidermans webshooters
Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win
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Now which character has the better games???
Obv batman
Batman, Combat and World Exploring is so much Better
Batman rn, but insomniac just getting started wit spidey
Batsy
Spider-Man feels better then the Batman games because he's much faster and the city is so much more alive then the Arkham games where they just have criminals and cops. A lot people say the Batman combat is better but it's actually not because Batman literally relies on one button to keep up your combos while Spider-Man has multiple ways to continue combos and defeat opponents. Batman in comparison feels very limited and most people don't even use gadgets in combat so yeah Spider-Man is the better game but Batman has less fluff and no annoying MJ sections.
The winner is obviously the player for getting to experience these awesome games
amen to that
Thats right.
True on that, they're for sure having a blast with both games
Truth
unless you're an xbox player like me 😭
Batman doesn't dodge bullets it's literally in the name. It's a "fear takedown" the enemies are too scared and surprised to properly aim and shoot him so he takes advantage and takes a few of them down. If he could always do this then gun enemies wouldn't be able to hit him throughout the game.
Batman does dodge bullets quite easily he does it to deadshot heck even darksieds omega beams you can do it in game cause then it wouldn't be a challenge not saying this means he beats spiderman but both can easily dodge projectiles
@@chucklesthebagel2121, the video is comparing the video game universe not the comics. You don’t want to compare comics bc there’s an issue where Spider-man gets granted the powers of the universe.
@@PorchmonkiIt's really hilarious. Spider-man is so over powered that a bazooka launching enemy is more of a minor annoyance than a legitimate threat
it’s crazy cuz i just replayed spider-man and peter had an ability to after her perfect dodges he slows down time and completely perception blitz’s his enemy like bro i perfect dodged a bullet behind me in an air combo and after i went to the ground bro still thought i was in the air
Nah just sit there spam triangle and square and you done Boi
We gotta remember that Peter's contantly limiting himself as to not actually kill or mortally wound his enemies. this is not Peter's full power
He could easily punch a man's head clean off with zero effort. Spider-man is lowkey broken
Batman is also holding back constantly trying not to kill his enemies. But he still tries to wound them for life no doubt.
@@thewheyoflife3548 exactly, spiderman doesnt Even try that. He sweeps everyone in the only times he did
@@maurito13fx64 To be fair tho, Batman doesn't have to absolutely destroy everyone, he just does it to get the fear factor and villains will snitch if Batman asks them anythint. Compared to Spidey where the villains don't take him seriously. But Spiderman 2 with the Venom suit you will see the closest thing to Batman yet. He will be actively trying to hurt people
You would need to prove that's the case within this specific universe or canon.
7:53 I think to help Spider-Man more here is that Peter has 14 broken bones at this point and STILL walks this off. So a tired and weakened Spider-Man still has a better feat compared to Batman’s feat of tanking being thrown through a wall.
A year late on this, I know lol. I think Peter wins in a fight against Batman, both with and without prep time, although it’d be a harder time for Peter to fight against Arkham Batman with that prep time. Peter just has better feats in comparison.
That’s Spider-Man’s whole thing. No matter how much he gets beaten down, he gets back up every single time without exception.
Well I do think saying batman's greatest feat is being thrown through a wall and surviving is pretty one sided
Spider-Man is NOT beating Batman with equal prep on both sides lol wdym? Batman is DRASTICALLY smarter than Spider-Man and it also has a lot to do with the fact on how they prep.
When Spider-Man preps for someone, he just builds something off screen that supposedly works.
When Batman preps for someone, he makes a calculated, orchestrated series of rhythmic blows which are specifically designed for the character he's fighting against, actively finding out a chink in someone's armor, pretty much making a new anti feat.
Peter is as smart as he is dumb, this guy is ridiculously naive and easy to trick, like Black Cat managed to manipulate him and characters like Silver Sable managed to stump him, Batman with prep would absolutely obliterate Spider-Man and I'm unsure how do you even rationalize it otherwise. Like this mf preps for JL, what tf is Spider-Man gonna do?
@@tananatana4011He is. Simply because he took on superpowered beings.
@@Justafeint Like what exactly? Lol who the hell did Spider-Man defeat with prep who is SO MUCH MORE superpowered than the Justice League, Darkseid, Reverse Flash etc.
I know its not in the game but in the comics, Iron Fist says that Spiderman's hand to hand combat is one of the most difficult to deal with because of how unpredictable and unorthodox it is
That's why I think Batman would have a hard time against Spiderman and the strength difference 💪
What comic?
I mean, it's explained early on that Spider-Man *doesn't have* a fighting style. It's all instinct.
@@DooDooWater9732-n5z Spidey also has a training arc with Shang Chi during a period where Spidey lost his Spidersense. So he indeed has a fighting style in the comics.
@@das-grzaOk but what do comics have anything to do with the games?
I do feel like the "Way of the spider" martial art that spiderman uses is something batman would have an odd time adjusting to as well. Spiderman has in my opinion alone and I mean a lot more agility than batman. Plus he can fire off more webs than batman can toss tools, has drones, has holograms, has electro webbing. I know batman has an arsenal but so does peter
Way of the Spider does no exist in the PS4 universe, this isn’t the comic versions
@@CRISIS_COMICS True, you're right that's on me.
No kidding dude.
Spider-Man is THE most agile character in Marvel and DC.
@@spider-man500 that’s not true
@@spider-man500 The most agile character would most likely be Mr. Fantastic. Honestly there are a number of characters that would have that title like Night Crawler, Daredevil, etc
I love how badass and intimating Arkham Batman looks with his new suit in Knight. Going by all his feats from Origins to Knight, Batman is most likely low tier superhuman along with his extensive knowledge of martial arts. He displayed 19 different styles of fighting I believe throughout the games. He was getting choked out by Bane in Origins while he was getting bigger due to the venom and then got slammed to the floor breaking it and somehow Batman was still alive and didn't pass out. However, all of this won't be able to beat Insomniac Spider-Man because Spider-Man is basically Batman minus the brutal interrogation and pointy ears. Low tier superhuman isn't much compare to actual superhuman and with that spider-sense, Batman would have difficulty just trying to tag Spidey.
Spider-Man is just a bad match up for Batman all around. Peter is too fast and too strong, and yes Bruce fights superhuman types all the time. But Peter with Spidey sense moves in bullet time, even if you were someone like Electro or vulture dive bombs are still too slow for peter
@@BonzerMrT That's what i like of batman. He is just a normal human with the best martial arts knowledge, but still go toe to toe with beings that are not normal like him. He can beat spider-man but it will be a tuff battle for him. He needs some kind of disruptor to throw at pete
@@newhybrid101 I mean batman has defeated darkseid in comics..
In terms of gameplay I'm sorry Marvel's Spiderman ps4 has a great story but it can't compete with batman arkham knight in over game satisfaction.
Now in terms of powers based on comics if it's one on one, Spiderman is whooping batmans tail. There is no gadget to save him.
@@ezzekieldirks8542 unless batman has full access to a green Lantern ring permanently, his chances of defeating Spiderman is 0.1. Now if it's batman with a green Lantern ring alone Spiderman and both marvel and DC multiverses are in trouble.
Regardless of feats batman is still just within human limitations strength, speed, reflexes, reaction time ect.
Spider-Man is superhuman in every category, and no matter how good batman is in a blind fight that was serious, parker is beyond human because remember that parker always pulls his punches, look what happened with kingpin when Spider-Man decided to be serious in the comics and even then he probably wasn't using all his strength and considering that insomniac spider-man is more or less relative to his comic book counterpart I think that's a pretty fair assessment, while I'm not saying kingpin is as good as batman, far from it but just like batman kingpin is human, I do however think batman would win in certain situations such as gadgets, tactical awareness, and experience.
You do know Batman knows 127 Martial Arts. Right? And king pin knows less im guessing. Hes also smart enough to beat Darkseid the thanos of DC which is also stronger than Thanos + he was the only known guy who has dodged The Laser of Darkseid which is a laser that can 1 shot anyone and turn em into dust. Funfact that lazer tracks the opponents movement he was able to dodge a undodgeable laser.
@@DADADANSOL so what? I train in Muay Thai and ju-jitsu and a good fighter, does that mean I can beat someone less skilled than me but physically superior to me without using eye poking or other dirty fighting?
And I did say 'not saying kingpin is better than batman' if you actually read my comment properly, and that feat batman did was one time and complete luck because it wasn't that long ago batman got hit by the omega sanction and turned him into a smoking carcass.
Batman is walking plot armour plain and simple, and if you want to get technical, while this isn't canon by any means, batman fought Captain America in JLA/Avengers in which he stated he wouldn't win against the captain, you know who else fought Captain America whilst holding back.....yep you guessed it.
When serious Spider-Man slaps regular humans around like a ragdoll, again batman is still human and consistently get tagged by street level criminals and in a real fight with no prior knowledge it would be difficult for batman to fight Spider-Man for sure and will probably but will probably win because of spider-man's light hearted nature and pulled punches, which batman can use his experience, technology, and tactical training to pull the win.
A serious Spider-Man though is a different story.
@@DADADANSOL yes, but that Lazer feat was BS, as Flash can't dodge it either and he is literally far faster than light. Also, all that martial arts training won't be doing Bats any good against someone who can sense his every move and move way faster to dodge, or redirect his hits. Also, Spider-Man lifted the Bugle skyscraper before. I don't see Batman lifting a Skyscraper. And that skyscraper feat isn't Plot Induced Stupidity either, as many times Spidey has shown to be able to be as strong as that, in "If This Be My Destiny", when he lifts much of Doc Ock's underwater base (keep in mind that base had water pressure pushing down on the already 100+ tons of metal that entrapped him, and was flooding in around his lower legs), and in Superior, when Hulk and Thor, the strongest Avengers, had Spider-Man with what they thought was a firm grasp, and Hulk said he felt him move, while Thor admired the strength of 'this mortal' (Superior isn't any stronger than classic, he just has Doc Ock possessing Parker's body). He's also one-shot Rhino in the Fabric Black suit the Black Cat made for him (it doesn't increase his strength at all, it's just a fabric replica Felicia made for Peter cause she thought it made him look better), and has landed a plane when it was malfunctioning with just his strength.
Batman just doesn't have much of a chance that someone who literally could KO him with a flick of his finger (he did that in the 90s in a comic where Mark Bagley was the Artist), or at most, a punch.
@@DADADANSOL knowing 300 fighting styles means nothing when the person your fighting physically out classes you in every way. You can’t grab and punch a person that moves faster than bullet time with Spidey sense
@Devran Demirocak well based off of games there's no debate Arkham knight is superior plus you have a catalog of 3 other games based on batman. Spiderman is just getting started with the continuation of miles as his side kick.
Batman was supposed to be the pinnacle of human physical evolution; but if he had Spiderman’s strength, speed, and agility, he’s be damn near unstoppable.
Crisis and Seth having vids on basically the same subject is dope!
I thought they were doing a collab, lol
they were back to back in my feed
Makes me feel better about seth making vids in general. Lol jk love ya seth
@@newhybrid101 don’t forget…Batman is borderline light speed. And has the power to chuck super man through stone pillars with no additional power boost. Batman strongest there is, batman is immortal
They’re the two Spider-Men pointing at each other lol
Isn't it stated that Rhino is at least a city block level character up to a multi-city block level? To which Peter directly scales to (him getting knocked out in the beginning of the Miles game is a big anti-feat, but it is an outlier, considering Peter has dealt with him a bunch of times previously). I *love love love* Arkham Batman, but he isn't Insomniac Spidey level.
That feat you're talking about is way to vague since we don't know if Rhino destroyed 6 city blocks in one hit or if he was simply destroying stuff. It's too vague to really get anything concrete. Spider-Man still wins, but still.
@@LightningvsLightning However from the opening of SM:MM we know that Peter can take city block level damage with little effort, as he was holding onto Rhino when he demolished the power plant and was still actively fighting Rhino afterwards, while Miles was busy with the Raft escapees.
@SWTobito0702 We never see Rhino destroy a city block or something comparable to that. It's only stated, and for all we know, that could've been overtime.. Granted, Spider-Man 2 will most likely make Spider-Man town level because of Miles feat at the end of the game, but that's another time.
This video makes me want to see Insomniac do a Batman game now. Having the whole of Gotham city with numerous crimes to stop. Preferably a bit of an established Batman like Spider-Man on PS4. Oh and maybe an option to visit the criminals in prison or Arkham Asylum. Possibly for certain side-missions/main story moments.
I want to see a crossover
Just swap devs, that'll be interesting, plus the suicide squad game will come out with a swinging mechanic mostly limited for harley
@@clementfermn6711 well she grapples onto a drone
@@oq_pz yes
Nah the Arkham series needs to be rebooted with the amazing writing from city, asylum & knight. Next gen graphics, an open world on par with Gotham knights, a regular batmobile, locations like : the asylum, blackgate, Wayne manor & the cave. A long ass story spanning in game days or months and make it gritty leaning into the detective aspect which Arkham only touched on. Rn the industry’s focusing on co-op rpg style games but a single player batman masterpiece will eventually return. The arkhamverse is finished but Batman isn’t
i think one of the best feats Spidey has shown from the game is stopping a tower crane from falling which weighs at about 400k lbs or 200 tons. Not only does it show off Peter’s strength but his web’s durability as well, no way Bruce is gettin outta that
12:33 it’s wild when you think about it cuz bruce has the better resources 🤣
@@HoodedSpidey for gameplay purposes of course, otherwise the game would be like 5 minutes long considering just how much stronger-faster-durable Spider-Man is compared to most foes in the game.
@@aibartalgatuly3011 well obviously but I mean Batman gameplay wise moves way faster than Spider-Man does and it’s not even close. Get a combo going and Arkham batman turns into the flash😂
That's why Batman would win, he exorcises every day 3x a day, the peak of human conditioning.
Gotham's resources are all the way from the 50's. There is a reason why Gotham is so poor.
Bro Spider-Man speedblitz honestly no diff
You also would have to take in account the fact that all versions of spider-man hold back in order to not kill the person they are going up against.
Not all versions
Just as Batman does.
@@6DarthSion9 batman does not hold back lmao, everyone gets an equal ass whooping
@@EtherealAfro he does hold back in the Arkham knight the inmates say Batman is hitting harder now
@@EtherealAfro He does always hold back, he's trained in every single martial art with the best teachers. When Joker takes hold of his body in the blimp, you see that he doesn't hold back (as it isn't him anymore) and he uses more lethal methods to harm the soldiers. Although spiderman definitely holds back so does Bruce. I know this isn't about the comics but Bruce in them has learned many lethal martial arts which could kill In a single blow.
Ya know..I always notice people forget tactics and personality when comparing two characters. It's not just power for power. I.E. Batman uses fear, planning and misdirection tactics... spidermans more of a "wing it" kind of guy. That has to play in. Both characters have taken down other villians MUCH more powerful than themselves for a reason.
yeah, but that doesn´t matter with spider-man considering he fights stronger people than him in other medium and keeps making jokes, even when dying, that means batmans tactics don´t matter, and batman needs planing, that means making them fight with no previous preparation spider-man wins
The final victor in a fight between these two would be two grown men fighting for a cause that is utter love for their cities
He was being very generous to Batman with that strength gap
On me 😂
Honestly, if Insomniac is to do a game in the Batman universe, I think they should do a game with Nightwing instead. Given how much more acrobatic Dick is, I think the Spider-Man engine would work better for him. Doing backflips off of buildings, jumping between platforms and swinging from his Ecrisma Sticks like his trapeze days.
I'm proud of you Dick
10:19 I can't believe you said batman can throw a freeze grenade at Spider-Man, like he can't dodge lightning blasts
The fear takedown is NOT batman dodging bullets. The thugs are scared and therefore not aiming properly. He moves quickly but he is most definitely not dodging bullets during it
you mustn't of played the game, He upgraded the suit on the start of the game that allows him to move faster, Hence why he "didn't" have that move in the previous games
@@j_hitta0591 are you mentally deficient? Where did I say that wasn’t the case? He can move fast yes but he is NOT actively dodging bullets
Arkham Batman really is built different. Being able to one-shot the superhuman Deathstroke is no small feat. However I believe Insomniac Spider-Man takes the win.
@@stealth3213 "However I believe Insomniac Spider-Man takes the win." 💀
@@stealth3213 you dont need to say something he already knows
@@stealth3213 💀
spidey just on a whole nother level lmao
@@ruskflux He is. He would squash Arkham Batman. Though Arkham Batman is a beast in his setting.
Arkham Batman is a menace.
I’m surprised you didn’t go over Spider-Man’s suit mods, power moves (L3 + R3) along with the ability to heal on the fly. Granted this would have made him stomp harder against Arkham Batman but great vid nonetheless
Yeah, it would be a matter of proving which ones are canon which would probably be underwhelming and or convoluted. I think I took the best route explaining the 100% canonical components.
@@CRISIS_COMICS How come you didn't mention the Batman Beyond suit?
@@CRISIS_COMICS insomniac miles vs insomniac doc ock
@@luigigod999he never mention the batman beyond suit
@@CRISIS_COMICS They didn't work on Silver Sable
You and seth uploaded a video around the same time talking about batman and spiderman. Coincidence i think not
This is not a coincidence, wtf?
He did RT this video on twitter
What is the name of the other vid?
Batman, as fast and skilled as he is, would not as long in a fist fight with Spider-Man; and he would know this.
Dude speed wise Spider-Man is faster as well
But Spidey is faster.
THESE GAMES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT ARE WAY TOO LEGENDARY FOR ANY COMPARISION BETWEEN DC AND MARVEL
ikr story telling and gameplay is so legendary we shouldn't compare masterpieces
@@johnnymanning2952 exactly!
What a classic fan rivalry.
7:32 BS. Unlike bulletproof superheroes who lift 55 tons and up, Spider-Man can only lift 10 tons. Thusly, he compensates by being ABLE to dodge bullets. If you've ever tried to kill a spider, certain species actually can JUMP out of the way at the last second! BATMAN is a human (not a meta), so he have to bulletproof his suit like the PUNISHER and like in Tim Burton's movies. Burton realized, a man in semi-armored costume cannot move fast enough to dodge bullets. He's not wearing light weight metal, like Nth or Vibranium. These games LIE! CatWoman dodging bullets is understandable. She is no longer human, if you go by her movie origin. She's supernatural. And, if you've fought her in INJUSTICE, you'll see she has AMAZING PHENOMINAL reflexes.
I like how laid back your voice is dawg hahah it’s better than those fake happy sounding videos
I'm I the only one to remember that Batman has retractable Samurai Sword in his utility belt. Which can cut Spider-Man's webs.
This man just never misses, great job 🔥
So at one point, this Spiderman became a Speedster? That's kind of a unique mix of powers if I'm honest. I wonder how an encounter with Quicksilver would've went.
In the comics Spiderman beat quicksilver knocked him out used his own speed against him
7:45 Batman also got laid out from being thrown through the wall, Spider-Man immediately counter attacked
I wish I could stop myself from being so biased and defensive in videos like these, but I always end up rooting for whoever I like more.
Spider-Man can lift 25 tons and run 200 miles. There is no way Batman can beat him without gadgets and prep time.
Bro did you forget about his arm gauntlet blades? On 9:45
I've always preferred Batman, however, the Insomniac Spider-Man game is spectacular. I enjoyed it even more than the Arkham series.
@@newhybrid101 come on now
@@newhybrid101 *?*
Tbh I like both with Spiderman being my recent favorite
But let's not forget without the Arkham series, Spideys game probably wouldn't be the same
Why is everyone in these comments pissing on the Arkham games all of a sudden?
Been waiting for someone to cover these two particular versions of these characters
I know it’ll never happen, but I would love a crossover game with co-op at the forefront. I’d love to traverse a city either with gliding and the Batmobile while Spidey is swinging from the rooftops. It would be so fun to watch. And the combat would be amazing with Batman weaving and countering while Spider-Man is constantly dodging and launching fools.
Since the games are so similar to each other. I always wished there was a DLC that both DC and Marvel made that allowed for players to use the maps from the AR and Spiderman's challenges just to test see how each other would be able to handle. At least for the stealth, combat, and gadget challenges.
I've always wanted to test Batman out during Taskmasters and Screwball's missions I want to see how many thugs Batman would take out without being seen during the stealth missions. Then Spiderman would also be pretty fun to play as for Batman's AR challenges, he probably could also do Batman's races as well.
@@CynderSpirit I really like this idea. Just the thought of Batman VS Taskmaster in general would be stupidly fun.
@@superluigi9490 Would be funny to because while Screwball would find Batman both interesting and entertaining she would eventually regret it or find him no fun due to the fact at the end of it Batman would most likely break her phones and cameras deleting any footage she had on him, which would probably make him more challenging. Taskmaster would find Batman a worthy opponent based on his intellect, skills, and will (Batman is a guy with no powers who stands up to tough enemies and refuses to kill or give up that's going to count for something. Since Taskmaster likes to copy others fighting styles he's definitely going to want to test Batman out and challenge him just so he can absorb everything Batman has learned, if Batman can outsmart and think quicker then Taskmaster he might be able to hold his own. For Spiderman if use him for any Riddler's maps you will definitely hear a lot of ranting because Riddler would get annoyed at Spiderman's intelligence and knowing Riddler he refuses to admit anyone else is smarter then him.
But like I said it's just the AR maps and missions I want for just taking out the regular thugs.
I wonder what happens when Batman evens the odds by pressing call Batmobile button
I feel like the miles v nightwing probably wasn't the best comparison simply because I do think that Miles's experience, or lack there of, would make his fight against nightwing much harder
he is smart tho, he would just tank until he comes off with a plan, that or insta web/venom punch nightwing
@@xXGabrielTrapXx I'll give you that, but miles only just started, and I simply don't think that he is capable of handling Nightwings years of experience
@@senorchucke.cheese2028 Even still experience don’t matter if your opponent is stronger faster more durable and has superpowers when you don’t unless you know their weakness or come up with a battle strat to immobilize them then you’d lose.
That does not matter💀 Miles Morales's Powers had the Force of a Nuke.
Nightwing can still lose to people like Harley Quinn.
@@madhurimaduru2171 But he can beat Croc tho and anyone Batman can beat so I think him losing to Harley wasn’t him trying.
Bro, spiderman just punches through batman, like batman has no powers and is just human strong while spiderman is super powered with strength
Insomniac’s Spiderman achievements are REALLY impressive if you think about it. In the span of a handful of days, he did the following (with some minor help) :
• Finally finished the Kingpin and his empire for good.
• Thwarted Martin Li and his demon gang (the first time).
• Fought and seemingly won against Taskmaster (who is considered to be an “Avengers level threat”.
And while pretty badly injured he:
•Restored Order in Manhattan when everything was up in chaos with escaped convicts and such.
•Ran Sable International out of New York.
• Solo’d the Sinister 6 (engaging two at a time).
• Defeated Martin Li AGAIN and (with the help of a new suit) Doc Ock just within an hour or two of eachother, whilst being EVEN MORE injured.
And just 3 months after that :
• Put a crazed (and really annoying) twitch streamer behind bars.
•Matched Silver Sable in combat.
•Defeated an empowered Hammerhead (once on his own and the second with Sable) his gang (heavily enhanced with Sable tech) and ended a violent gang war between him and the Maggia.
I’m probably missing some but that’s just in the first game alone .
Imagine if Batmans standard gear be it in random meets and greets or preppy timers was a Kryptonite, Red Solar, Fire, And Sonic Sounded suit.
Is the winner even a question??? Spider-Man can lift over 10 tons and has been displayed lifting several times that in the game. This is no fucking contest. He folds Batman’s ass.
Lifting ≠ striking
@@CRISIS_COMICS spiderman have both lifting and striking power so the winner is ps4 spiderman
@@Death67890Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win
Comparing these two series is bullshit. Arkham series showed the world how good superhero games can be. It made people get interested in superhero video games. It is a trend setter for superhero games. Spiderman games adapted many good aspects of Batman games and refined them with modern technology. In my opinion Arkham game is older sibling and insomniac is younger sibling.
Spiderman fans disagree at some most of them they say the arkham series is overrated.
@@baki484 suckers are born every minute
@@uditvedantmishra9719 last year when city had its 10th anniversary some Spiderman 2018 fans popped up in the comment sections to rave on about how overrated the arkham games are.
also Spiderman popularity is at all time high especially since 2018 how could it not. Sony pulled out all the stops to market the games and you should expect the sequel to get just as much if not more attention.
I can give you a crash course of how they kept it in the minds of the people. 2018 April game informer coverage started and they went in depth with the gameplay combat traversal even the little details like moving eyelenses and even the suit had a video dedicated to it like Spiderman is the first to incorporate carbon fiber in his suit and his white symbol tricking opponents (batman already had that in arkham as explained in universe) then they did the just the facts trailer reiterating that information, then they did even more videos about the suit, combat and traversal again, had a New York subway painted red, game was on billboards, cross promotions with the various movies relating to Spiderman like showing us the iron spider suit close to the debut of infinity war, into the spiderverse suit was added December with silver lining dlc, no way home they had another trailer while releasing the suits same goes for far from home but that was silent release. Miles morales got the same treatment with a demo using the into the spiderverse suit which moved exactly like it did in the movie with the visor and suit mods to created the affect accompanied by the trailer then add a mural and that's without counting the trailers in between. Let's add insomniac studios overall communication with the fans.
WB Montreal are quiet for a whole console generation only to come out with Gotham knights game that let's be honest has caused a divide in the arkham community for its direction.
Rocksteady goes silent for 5 years only to give us the suicide squad a team let's be honest we didn't want to play as. We are constantly waiting for answers we want to see more but they are quiet. While insomniac has come out and shown that they have Spiderman 2 and Wolverine in development.
I guess if we ignore all the older Spider-Man games that works.
@@baki484 probably because most of them are kids who've only played spiderman
personally I think spiderman can defeat batman even if its just hand to hand because he has defeated task master someone who went toe to toe with the avengers and he's able to copy their moves with his photographic memory and his fast adaption speed in a battle against cap he said "taskmaster analyzes fighting styles in seconds then counters" and even with all that he was still beaten by spiderman now Im not saying batman cant beat taskmaster but I also think task master can beat batman if hes able to analyze batman's combative abilities fast enough then the battle could be a draw or taskmaster wins (also taskmaster was analyzing spiderman throughout the entire game so he literally had prep time and still lost and they fought multiple times)
That’s comic Taskmaster, in the SM PS4 universe we don’t even have any info/scaling for the Avengers. So as it stands Arkham Batman is a better H2H fighter than Taskmaster. So if Spider-Man and Batman were equal in strength, Batman would have a skill advantage.
@@CRISIS_COMICS fair point
@@CRISIS_COMICS I mean, while fighting task manager in the game, he does actually mention the super hero team
"I went toe to toe with the avengers, you're nothing" is what he says
@@Sea-Bird.. It’s a version of the Avengers that we’ve never seen before and now very little about, the MCU Avengers are totally different than the comics so we know not all versions are made equal in terms of feats and scaling.
@@xfalucard3900 Silver managed to nearly defeat spider-man though
Nightwing and Spider-Man are the same people . I always felt that way .
bro I love the music you use for these vids
"Whoever wins is up to the author" shutup and listen to what Crisis says lmao
Hate when people use that quote
strength shouldnt be a discussion, spiderman is a literal superhuman that holds back, batman is a normal buff dude
Mindsets like that are the reason why the op villain gets their ass whooped by him
@@lagforce7473 im not saying thats the main reason spiderman would win but cmon if spiderman didnt hold back and actually killed people he would slam batman
@@Ok-sn5qc except Spider-Man wouldn’t do that and Batman would have Probably knew about Spider-Man and been studied him and would probably subdue him before he would stop holding back but if he did go out yea Batman will lose
@@lagforce7473 isnt spiderman way smarter than batman, he can probably also make something that could beat batman, prep time is bs
@@Ok-sn5qc Batman is called the worlds greatest detective for a reason Batman has to be a master at science in order to have that title since a lot of Biology and science play a key role in being a detective
The power of both of then is always super inconsistent. like he can dodge lightning but can be tagged by a common thug. Power scaling is a funny thing tbh. I still love the vids tho man!!
Gameplay mechanics, imagine how boring it would be if you got to play as a full power version of that character. Plus characters like Pete are constantly holding back
@@shirakojeda6927 exactly. Lore and gameplay are separate. Spider-Man is op af. He would def beat homelander. He would be able to dodge all of his attacks no problem and his strength would knock out homelander. Possibly kill him.
now give batman 1 hour prep time
Spider-Man and Batman Legendary Team Ups:
Armors and Equipments:
1.Spider-Man Armored Advanced Suit and Batman Arkham Knight Suit
2.Spider Armor MK 3 and Batman Insider Suit
3.Spider Amor MK 4 and Batman Hellbat Suit
4.Spider Man Infinity Gauntlet and Batman Anti Life Equation
5.Spider Man Beyonder Powers and Batman Final Batsuit
6.Cosmic Spider-Man and Justice Buster SuitSpider-Man and Batman Legendary Team Ups:
Armors and Equipments:
1.Spider-Man Armored Advanced Suit and Batman Arkham Knight Suit
2.Spider Armor MK 3 and Batman Insider Suit
3.Spider Amor MK 4 and Batman Hellbat Suit
4.Spider Man Infinity Gauntlet and Batman Anti Life Equation
5.Spider Man Beyonder Powers and Batman Final Batsuit
6.Cosmic Spider-Man and Justice Buster Suit
Even in close quarters the spider sense is OP and would win I believe
Unless misdirected.
11:49 lmao was not expecting Berleezy. Now I'm bout to watch him
The Arkham games dominate the superhero genre rn. You can’t really say anything negative about them because they paved the way for games like spiderman to release. Rocksteady crafted 3 masterpiece’s, and arguably the only flaw was the batmobile. The thugs in Arkham react as the story progresses & also reference batman & the larger dc universe’s Mythos & listening to their conversations can be entertaining
I still though the story in the first two games was mediocre at best.
Arkham took inspiration from Spider-Man dawg
So Spider-Man paved the way
Ok this a battle tho?
First of all this is a battle and second of all Rocksteady gave Batman the most embarrassing death lmao
Dude this fight would end the same way Miles Morales Spider Man vs Evil Captain America ended. Cap/Batman on the ground and spiderman standing tall
Imagine a crossover where batman makes a Battlesuit to catch up to Spidermans level physically, then they fight each others villains.. only in a perfect world.
skill is useless when you opponent is far physically stronger, tougher, and faster.
also in Miles Morales Peter was able to tank multiple explosions and get a beating from rhino and still continue to fight.
I agree, as showcased in the video
So why did Sable beat Spider-Man two times?
@@trevorphilips9065 PLOT
@@Sagegabs That's his flaw and tell that to Sable who beat Spider-Man 2 times
@@nocomment6012 Nope it's pure skill
While don't think insomniac spiderman is anywhere near the level of 616, he's still superior in every way than batman, give his fighting and intellect. Those lightning speeds are not real, out of context. Arkham batman is insane, but be isn't beating spiderman, especially if spiderman actually tries, but either way, he's still coming out on top
Wouldn’t the Batman beyond suit something like 5x or 10x increase strength??? Wasn’t that said in the show
Show =/= Arkhamverse
What about Green or yellow lantern Batman if batmans costumes are canon green lantern Batman could wipe the floor with spidey
@@EwigerPaul They are canon but the guide says they don't give Batman any powers
Pretty damn good video
I like how insomniacs spiderman had 14 broken bones after fighting the Sinister 6 and he still kept going and was able to beat them
I'd also like to mention that Miles and Peter do scale to eachother since they fought the same opponents (namely Rhino and Vulture) also worth noting that the Scaling Spidey has it's obviously much more concrete since he's stronger than Electro and dodges Lighting himself while Batman is obviously weaker than Bane and arguably slower than Catwoman
SSJ3 Goku and Kid Trunks beat a Saibamen, that doesn’t mean Trunks = SSJ3 Goku.
@@CRISIS_COMICS i mean Rhino is clearly stronger than either though.And Peter fought Rhino and Scorpion at the same time while Miles fought him with Peter's help (at first).
@@CRISIS_COMICS let me say it like this. Rhino is clearly stronger than Miles. Peter can take hits from Rhino. I rest my case.
PS don't spoil Spiderman 2 please because I haven't played it yet so don't bring scaling from there if there is any
@@OK-yy6qz why are you telling him how to run his channel?
@@beyond648 im not telling him how to run his channel, im just giving my take on the debate
This is good but i think you overlooked a couple of points, miles absorption is conscious not passive, he also has a natural resistance to his own energy discharge and that's why he survived the explosion, an it has been prove multiple times that an above average human of substancial skill can in in fact harm the spiders phisically even without a comparable level of strenght.
Didn’t over look those points, I just don’t consider them valid enough to put on paper and then incorporate into the video
@@CRISIS_COMICS ah, thanks for explaining better then
If I'm being truly honest in terms of power scaling Spider Man absolutely claps Bat Man.
And in my opinion the Insomniac Spider Man games are better too.
@@newhybrid101 what’s that supposed to mean?
@@MistahJay7 No I'm talking about power alone.
These videos are so hilarious once numbers like Mach 1300 come into play 😂 I love it
"Like he was a member of team rocket"
😂
I honestly don’t know how people think Batman can go toe to toe with people who have legit powers. Batman is overrated and over hyped. This is coming from a Batman fan who watched all his movies, played majority of his games and literally practiced quoting him daily.
Batman has killed darkseid before, and also saved the entire justice league multiple times.
I guess you didn't see the moment when Silver Sable beat Spider-Man two times a person with no power just fancy gadgets
@@trevorphilips9065 see you fail to realize, Peter ALWAYS HOLDS BACK! If Peter wanted to he could crush sable with one punch. Batman is not surviving a single punch from Peter if he decided to not hold back.
@@iplayvideogames4678 Yet he didn't it happened two times and Pete got beaten even in the DLC we see how Silver Sable can hold her own against spider-man and it doesn't matter how much power spider-man has he always holds back he wouldn't go as far as to kill Batman hahaha its hilarious when people say Spider-Man could kill batman with one punch yet Batman has fought Superman and for the same reason Superman lost he held back because he's not sadistic and neither is Spider-Man
@@trevorphilips9065 so think about what you just said. Batman is so outclassed people have to hold back and just then he BARELY WINS and you think that’s impressive?
As far as games I don't know which series I like more overall but I have specific things that I like more about each, Spider-Man is easier for me to relate to as a main character because he isn't an emotional brick wall, he's younger and is intelligent but realistic intelligent (basically as close as I'm going to get to my Nightwing game unless Gotham Knights ends up being super good), and as far as which character wins a vs. you would think Spider-Man would easily win based on superhuman vs. non-superhuman but superhero content is known for feats and power scaling not lining up at all, and non-superpowered heroes being able to scale to characters that would easily beat them following real-world logic so if Batman can be on a team with mostly superpowered characters many of which are Spider-Man levels of strong and still be considered one of if not the best on the team I have to put portrayal over logic
The way the characters are portrayed in the games it seems like they're equal-ish in terms of unarmed combat and stealth, but Spider-Man is better at dealing with armed enemies in a straight fight because of his ability to much more consistently dodge bullets
The reason why I'm having trouble with the Spider-Man holding back thing at least in the games is because Spider-Man can actually be knocked out/killed about as easily as Batman despite being able to lift a lot more
Him holding back offensively makes sense but I don't know about dying on purpose
You can die in pretty much any video game ever, by your logic Kratos = Max Payne.
Not really, the logic is that both characters at least in the games and movies are often capable of dying or taking similar amounts of damage about equally easily from enemies of similar scale whether it's in game cutscenes or by the implication that the enemies you face while controlling the character are supposed to be a challenge, in this case Spider-Man can't face-tank punches from thugs or gunshots, or Green Goblin's...shuriken things
Obviously canonically they don't actually die from gameplay, you could die from just one basic thug or not take a hit during the entire playthrough
The Spider-Sense does allow Spider-Man to take on more armed enemies head-on, but bullets don't bounce off of him so that sends the message that even if he's pulling his punches his durability isn't so high that he's not capable of dying to the kinds of enemies you would see in Arkham
8:40 about H2H combat skills. I did some research on the foes Insomniac Spidey fought and is able to come up with plans in H2H combat against fighters like Taskmaster who can replicate his moves and anticipated them perfectly and he even countered him successfully by studying him as well in combat and he fought Sable who was trained by the greatest warriors by birth also in the Spider-Geddon guidebook his fighting skills are a (4) just like Earth 616 Spider-Man who is an experienced fighter who fought on par with master martial Arts and 4 in fighting skills means experienced H2H combat.
So what I'm saying is that Insomniac Spidey can match ARK Batman in H2H combat even if the latter has the slight edge.
It definitely not a slight edge, spiderman has super strength, speed and endurance. Take his powers away and put their martial arts to the test then Batman would own him. Spiderman was probably only able to do those things because of super strength and his spider sense
@@sackboyx9128 strategy and skill aren't superpowers. If that was the case Spidey would have lost already. And it ain't like Batman is normal either he is near Superman human level. I was merely presenting evidence that a H2H combat fight with Spidey is a high difficult one also Spidey taught Miles H2H combat before the latter being Spider-Man himself.
That part isn't surprising cause in the comics Spider-Man knows a majority of fighting moves like Tomoe Nage kick, Judo, Boxing, swing kicks and flying kicks and he stated to be a trained fighter by the time he fought off the Big Man and the Enforcers. He had mand practiced fights when overpowering Earth 51838 Spider-Man. He also studied Captain America's fighting style which allowed him to get better at H2H combat, trained by him in calculating moves and H2H combat training in the current issues of Amazing Spider-Man Vol.5 #86 when Peter was recovering from the U-Foes blasts. He also was trained by Shang Chi into practicing his moves a hundredfold a thousand times a day, beat him in a H2H combat sparring match and matched Julia Carpenter in H2H combat as the final lesson and Nick Spencer confirmed he has been practing it every day. He also times to fighting skills in combat. he can thinks like a warrior in combat against Iron Fist and Taskmaster who can anticipate moves. Spider-Man also was stated to be a professional wrestler twice stated by Ant-Man and Reptile. He is also an Avenger and Avengers figures out strategies in their foes and have H2H combat training. Spider-Man also trained Hope Summers and Alpha in H2H combat moves as well beings more powerful than him. Also his fighting skills are a 4 which is experienced implying that Spider-Man is an experienced H2H combatant and it is stated multiple times he is an experienced fighter.
Skill, experience and strategic plans are not superpowers they are natural talents you pick up in battle. You can combine them with the powers you have that is for sure but Spider-Man doesn't rely on might when he has those talents with him.
@@playerback7722 I’m not saying he doesn’t have intelligence, strategy or experience. I’m saying that the stuff he tried when he has powers would never work when he doesn’t have those powers. For example in the game, his spider sense warns him every time someone attacks, and he has the agility to jump out of the way or lunge into attack. Do you really think he could hold a candle to taskmaster without those abilities?
Also the reason why Batman is in peak condition is because he trains his strength everyday. He once had a corn dog and said to himself that he would need to kick a lot of trees to work it out, that probably shows the amount of effort he puts in everyday to stay in physical shape. Spiderman might have trained in a couple of martial arts but without his powers he would never had those strength to beginning with, don’t forget he was a nerdy kid before getting bitten.
Yes those spiderman feats you just pointed out are impressive but they seem to only be impressive because of his powers, where as Batman started off normal and trained his ass off to get to where he is.
Take Superman for example he was trained by Batman, Wonder Woman and knows kryptonian martial arts. It all seems impressive when he uses it with his powers or uses it against someone who’s never had any fighting experience. But once those powers goes and he fights someone skilled, he gets his ass beat every time. He once agree to fight Muhammed Ali without his powers, and he was soo confident that he would win, but Muhammed Ali knocked his ass out straight away. I also remember reading this comic where he loses his powers and starts training with robin, and robin literally fucks him up.
@@sackboyx9128 yes but this is H2H combat which you don't need powers for. He would be a powerhouse which he needs to rely on strength but he doesn't. Of course he wouldn't perform agility stunts without it until proven otherwise and Spidey while depowered fought off Tarantula who fought on par with his superpowered self and defeated Hydra Agents who defeated a Shield Agents who fighting skills are enough to fight off a superpowered being.
That doesn't really refute what I said tho. Batman isnt normal as he has trained his body to superhuman levels and that is why he capable of taking on superhumans himself. So of course Batman is gonna beat someone with no powers
Superman has shown to hold his own against superpowered being while depowered using cunning, speed and agility. Even Batman one time stated he can hold his own with the skills he learned and i heard that Muhammad Ali fight was rigged on purpose.
A person who completely relies on pure power is someone like Spider-Gwen as it was stated multiple times she has no technique or real fighting skill she just relies on hitting hard or characters from the Webtoon series Unordinary they rely on power which makes them cocky and mindless while in a fight while the otherd are more combat experience and have strategy.
@@sackboyx9128
The feats I pointed out for Spidey you don't need powers for and he knows that as well. It takes a combination of strength and skill. He would just lack the power in strikes and focus on technique. He comes up with plans while fighting in H2H combat simultaneously even when he was depowered as well and the fact he studied Captain America's fighting style to better in H2H combat skills proof it further.
I can use X-Men who have powers were trained by Wolverine and were able to defeat Normal opponents while depowered.
Spiderman also has 2 symbiote suits.
Fuck, I like this channel for providing more lore on superhero abilities, these studios forget that the amazing thing about superheros is the power..... I like how anime can spend 10 minutes of dialogue just talking about their powers
Even tho Im a massive arkham games fan but still really thankful we got the greatest Spiderman experience too🙏🏻🙂
Insomniac wins for me because it builds onto the foundation Batman set. The traversal is way more fun, the combat feels more open, and the game just feels more fun and it doesn't take itself as seriously. Also, Peter Parker is a way more likable character than Bruce Wayne.
Peter Parker is just an annoying egocentric and narcisstic guy who thinks he's still 15
@@lovacc_1967 dont worry Bruce you my fav than any superhero.
As for me friddy im the opposite
@@lovacc_1967 Bruce is just a young man with a trust fund and too much anger.
@@Madvillainy48 Yeah, because his parents were murdered. If mine were, i’d be pissed, too.
I feel like Batman has the upper hand because he gauges his opponent, strength, well also attacking. but Spider-Man is more defensive of a character, and uses certain scenarios to his favor. Like how was Miles going to absorb that much energy and it’s simple fight against Batman. The only thing he has his punches and kicks, which would be really extremely strong but and Batman is just far superior when it comes to Martial arts and hand to hand combat. Being the worlds greatest detective being able to rivals Spider-Man Spidey sense with his natural ability to assist situations and intentions. Spider man may be clever but Batman is brutally aggressive and deadly. He actually could probably kill the poor spiders vary easily.
Idk what copium you’re on but do stay off of them. Only way I see Batman winning is his usual lose a couple of times, then devise a strategy and make new tools etc to throw SM off his rhythm because he’s pretty much king when it comes to doing that. He has fought beings that are out of his leagues yes, but he’s still human at the end of the day. No superhuman strength, no great hacks, and or enhanced senses.
@@kouvue9830 yeah the only Batman wins is prep time which is already admitting he loses.
Its literally about a Superhuman vs a peaked Human
It’s probably gonna come down to scenario. If Spider-Man comes at batman without knowing who Spider-Man is then Spider-Man. But if Batman has prep time he wins.
And i won't advise a hero vs hero match as the point is just to prove the power not the point each hero represent. This is my point of view. Sorry if I was offensive
That's all good but I think it's worth mentioning intelligence in there a lot more. I could definitely see batman out strategizing Spiderman to fight him on his own terms where Bruce has the advantage
Spider Man é extremamente inteligente, inclusive ele cria equipamentos altamente tecnológicos sendo pobre enquanto isso Batman depende das empresas Wayne e do Lucius Fox.
@@RodrigoFerreira0409 yes but strategically speaking Batman is nearly unmatched
@@tamd5670 spider man is way more intelligent than Batman , not only insomniac spider man has better gadgets too in my opinion but he created all of them with way less resources, that spider man suit can literally scan everything, plus he’s a super human and people forget but insomniac spider man has way more gadgets, when he went after his drive , we saw a whole list with gadgets he created, he just decided to use the web bomb at the moment but he has a lot of shit
If you gave Batman the abilities of spider man he would be op but if you gave spider man the suit of Batman he would be d tier
Are u that mad that Batman loses u had to point out the obvious to bad that’s not the case tho😂
@@Txrquin dude it's a comic book debate I'm just shooting the shit I couldn't care less lmfao
3:38 where is this from?
And he got knocked through the smoke stack with 14 broken bones
Doesn’t matter how many fighting styles Batman knows, hand to hand he’s not counteracting spider sense
Batman also has precog 😳 - 8:50
@@CRISIS_COMICS Either way, Spider-Man is much more faster and agile
I’m surimi surprised the riddler laser was never touched upon. If you use that and say it’s between mhs to rel to potentially ftl you could say he speed blitzes Peter. Regardless pretty good video overall
And you are forgetting about Peter's superior speed, agility and of course hie Spider Sense.
@@spider-man500 Watch the video
Taskmaster himself claimed that he had gone toe to toe with the universe's avengers, which indicates that he is an extremely formidable oponent. Therefore, i think he is at least on par if not slightly below batman in combat.
Naw batman is a master in almost every form of martial arts, spider-man is carried by his speed and agility.
@@userwkr6mywxsd693 yea, and taskmaster can copy all of batman's moves by just looking at him. That is his thing. He copies people
@@userwkr6mywxsd693 how useful would martial arts techniques be in a fight against an elephant, grizzly bear, or t-rex? martial arts are developed entirely for effectiveness against humans, humans without obscene super strength/agility/etc... spider-man is far beyond the human vulnerabilities or even adhering to the same human physics which martial arts techniques are 100% based on taking advantage of that no unpowered human’s mastery of them-no matter how great-is going to be any more effective on him than they would be against a wild tiger 😆
@@LeadMetal82 Arkham Batman is a more skilled fighter than anyone in all of the Insomniac universe, he’s also constantly mixing it up in combat so even if we suppose Taskmasker could even adapt at all Batman would just switch it up on him over and over and clean his clock. There’s no evidence to say that THAT version of Taskmaster can hang in there with Arkham Batman.
@@princssnasty Batman isn’t fighting any of those is he tho?this is just talking about spiderman,and batman isn’t your normal human,if he just straight up punched spiderman he would be damaged
Really random but I love how insomniac also made sunset overdrive
Didn't even start the video and know Arkham Batman would stomp spiderman. Dude is just not human defeating every supervillain in one night
Spider sense.
I think just becuase of how amazing Batman is in his own games it’s hard to really think this outcome is true. But it definitely is man, great video
I notice you give Batman a lot of extra stats based on technicalities, but that is sort of fair considering it doesn’t matter since Batman cannot predict anything Spider-Man will do, while Spider-Man can predict everything Batman can do.
Spider man’s spider sense not only tells him he’s in danger, but also how he should react which is how he so perfectly reacts all the time. So it doesn’t how great a martial artist Batman is, Spider man can anticipate and react accordingly.
But biggest of all, Batman’s greatest strength is his use of fear and his martial arts. But since Spider man can sense what’s going to happen before it happens neither are an issue to him, plus the major but minor sounding factor that Spider man made his own fighting style.
Batman knows nothing about it, and it makes him move in such an inhuman way nothing Batman knows can possibly let him anticipate, especially the moves seen in the PS4 game.
Imagine Batman’s surprised when Spider man web zips at him, punches him in the face, then slides under him and knocks him to the ground. You can’t anticipate that.
Not to mention, he has some really weird gadgets that make Batman practically helpless. All of his gadgets are designed to set his enemies up to be helpless which are also quite unpredictable especially since it seems his webs fire faster then bullets.
If Batman can’t dodge a bullet mid travel how is he gonna dodge an impact web?
It doesn’t matter how much knowledge Batman has, Spider man is everything that makes Batman’s techniques useless.
Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win
I once read that Spider Senses isn't that much different from Superman's senses. Lex Luthor has been said to be able to outsmart both which means Batman might be able to find away around Spiderman's senses as well.
right and that doesnt matter because the two verses are different. just cuz some random bloke claimed it doesnt make it true@@CynderSpirit
Why is this even a conversation? Spider-Man actually has super powers. Batman doesn't. End of story
Batman has beaten Super Beings before? He’s on the Justice League, a team full of Super Beings and he’s “human”
@@tokiteishi5437With prep time
@@AlexArenestobut he still beat them
@@Batman-i7e with prep time and tactics or else he'd get fucked up, spidey just does it cus he can😂keep coping tho
@@aanthonyy_ Batman is much more seasoned fighter and smarter Batman wins
We all know If These two teamed up, both of Their Rogue Galleries are getting bodied heavily
batman and spider-man should have a team up
The spider-men would pretty much almost win, however i do wander about how the disruptor may interact with peter's web shooters if batman can land a shot on them.
I’m more worried about the fact he glanced of the fact he said all of Batman’s suit are cannon dude can just strait up kill Spider-Man with a lantern ring
@@masonlong6514 They’re stated to be just costumes in guides, no powers
Ainda sim ele poderia vencer o Batman no corpo a corpo.
IF
Whoever wins this fight is up to the writer sadly lol
Agree since they are not real its who ever the writer likes lol
Not really you take one character and put him against another you explain their feats, statements, abilities, skill, and experience then you compare the two characters whichever one has the better stats between the two wins
@@turnerbrawley4715 it is not about who the writer “likes more” it is about the situation or the story they are trying to tell. I do believe Spider-Man would beat Batman if they just came across each other on the street, but give Batman time to prepare and plan he is a much different, more powerful beast. I say it’s up to the writers because they can always change a circumstance or want a story to be told in some way.
@@jhatch9 I completely agree with you bro Spiderman wins if they just see each other and started fighting Batman wins if he has prep time wait I realized something with prep time couldn't Batman make something to disable spidermans webshooters
You and a RUclipsr named SethTheProgrammer dropped the same video idea at like the exact same time! 😳
Edit: his is from the movies
IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER!!! nice berleezy reference
There is no debate
Character wise both are good its your preference
Strength wise spiderman absolutely dog walks batman there is no questions
Obviously SpiderMan is physically stronger, But Batman is Mentally STRONGER without a Doubt, With Scarecrow and his new and improved form of fear gas in Arkham Knight, That gas would break down "insomniac SpiderMan" pretty easily. And yes Batman has access to it, "But what if he makes an antidote" It took poison ivy to bring the roots out of an ancient tree to cure the gas, That's my thought on how batman "could" win