Secret Invasion Pitch Meeting
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Disney and Marvel Studios have been absolutely churning out content in the past few years with a ton of shows hitting their streaming service Disney+. Secret Invasion has come out after a deluge of other superhero shows and people seem to be… tired of this?
Secret Invasion definitely raises some questions. Like why didn’t the show play more with the mystery of who is a Skrull and who isn’t? Why doesn’t Nick Fury call the Avengers? If this fight is so personal, why doesn’t he actually fight it? How are all the powers in the final fight even being used?
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Secret Invasion!
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Ryan's Pitch Meetings should be required viewing at every Disney board meeting
That would be one way to liven up those bored meetings!
Just Disney?
Oh baby. Imagine the boardroom’s reaction
Exactly
Him and The Drinker.... and enjoy like #600. Round numbers are tight!
You warn us of spoilers but honestly your pitch meetings is the only way I keep up with the MCU these days.
Same, I’ve decided to be done after GOTG3 to end on a high note
I gave this series a chance and gave up after episode 2
I think a lot of us are in that boat lol
Same. Especially with the streaming shows
Same
Same.
Man… watching a pitch meeting instead of the actual show is tight! 😂
Dude, the series is really great; I just loved when Nick Fury went "it's furin' time", and just furied all over everyone.
100th like.
Super easy... barely an inconvenience 😂
Watching an anime instead of a show that cost as much as 800 episodes of anime is tight!
Wow wow wow wow
"How are rings part of a DNA?" "Hey, shut up."
Still can't believe they spent time in the set and cgi to create that totally unecessary small scene😑
Ring muscles
The obliteration of the final fight is one of the best deconstructions Ryan has done. Superb stuff.
Marvel obliterated it themselves by showing that God awful cgi fest.
But he could have mentioned that Gravik "just kinda forgot about his healing powers" a la Game of Thrones, since Emilia Clarke is in it as another benevolent OP character 😂
hey, shuddup
@@extantsanity How did you managed to write Amelia Clark instead of Emilia Clarke? Just curious.
@@attila0323 Just an oversight. Fixed, thanks!
Imagine for a second that you're tasked with making a spy thriller for Marvel. And imagine that it will star Nick Fury, so you already have a strategic genius in the script. And imagine also that the villains of this spy thriller are shape shifting aliens, the hands-down easiest thing you can do to generate surprise twists in a spy thriller (so easy that literally every MI movie has relied on their impossible perfect face masks like a crutch). And now also ALSO imagine that this show will be named after an already well-received comic run that's basically done all the heavy lifting for you about twice, maybe even 3x over if you count the first Ultimates run. And NOW...imagine you fail to use ANY OF THAT effectively. That's Secret Invasion.
Underrated comment.
Well said...
I'm starting to see why AI is becoming an attractive alternative to these human Hollywood writers. They keep finding ways to make things worse.
It will star Nick Fury
> turned him into an old miserable man who lost his strategic mind
The villains are shape shifting aliens
> they revealed the identities of most of the Skrulls almost immediately
I swear the writers intentionally sabotage the series because there's no way they managed to succeed at doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing
The fucking director should be blacklisted from Marvel Studios lmao. Matter fact, he should be blacklisted from ever making films again.
Congratulations Ryan George. I’m pretty sure more people watched your pitch meeting of the show than people who actually watched the show!
BRO JUST start war💀
You got this right. Love the marvel movies and some of the series, but saw this dude coming a mile away. You pitch meeting saved me the hassle.
could be coz -- unlike vast swaths of hollywood -- ryan is an accomplished writer who people actually enjoy and want to watch... so it felt an itty bitty bit strange that he included the line about not replacing writers with ai when it's trash like 'secret invasion' that they're writing! if disney rewrote the majority of its movies post-endgame with ai i guarantee it'd be an improvement.
Even if there is a chance of it being slightly better with ai, it still puts many people out of work (even if not many of them were good writers) I think the problem is heart. Kevin said himself he doesn’t want to hire marvel comics fans. These new projects don’t have any love or heart. In fact a vast majority of these newer projects are only made to boost Disney plus and for money (mostly the shows) Ai would only take away more of that heart. Which is why projects like GOTG films and captain America films are amazing.
I'm definitely one who would rather watch Ryan than anything Disney puts out.
After they redshirted Agent Hill, I decided not to suffer through any more of it and just let Ryan tell me what happens with the rest of the series. Thanks Ryan!
I wasn't gonna watch this anyway, but the fact they got rid of Fury's top lieutenant (a genuine badass in her own right) just pisses me off.
@@SobiTheRobotthey should've killed off Nick Fury. Not even murdered him, just let him die naturally and let Maria take over
@@SobiTheRobotthat's probably because She has brain problems ...
It still was a shit idea
I can see why they did it, but it really doesn't sit right with me that we've had a character who was his right hand woman from the beginning of the MCU who we get to see briefly in almost every MCU project, but still has pretty little development. Yet despite this, she still became a fan favorite. Then when we finally get a chance to delve deeper into her character and her dynamic with Fury, she gets killed off in the first episode for shock value, funeral in the beginning of the 2nd episode where the only familiar face we get to see come pay respects is Fury despite plenty of former shield and Avengers members still being around, and then she's pretty much forgotten after that.
Basically Agent Hill got fridged.
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981Like it’s bizarre to me that somebody like Hawkeye, Spider-man, or even somebody like Thor or hulk didn’t make an appearance at that funeral. Hawkeye was an agent of shield with Hill, Spider-man worked for her in Far from home, and Thor and hulk are OG Avengers. The one that pisses me off is Spider-Man though. In the comics Spider-Man arguably goes through more loss and tragedy than any comic book character to date. If there is one superhero that I have 100000% confidence in that they’ll show up to that funeral, it’s Spider-Man. Not having him there feels wrong
It should be distressing to a company like Disney that Ryan’s pitch meeting is vastly more entertaining and interesting than the $200 million blown on whatever this was supposed to be
It's there to launder money now
facts
Distressing to businessmen? Nah. But to the creatives and artists that sold their voice to make art for the businessmen? Definitely.
Though I agree that Pitch Meeting is more entertaining than half of the things he parodies, he still needs these dumpster fires.
Or spy apple tv show made for 45 millon
"There's no way I'm checking" definitely sounds like it was a guiding principle for this series.
...as well as for 95% of all others, too 😅
same with Disney in general these days
I get the feeling Ryan was in the middle of writing the sketch but just couldn’t face going to the movie and checking the post credit scene because it’s just soooo bad. 🤣
The director literally said “it would take a librarian to go back and check all the scenes” (referencing Rhody being a Skrull since Civil War) 🤦🏾♂️
@@juicegod777 I'd go with something like "you spent over 200 million on this show...hire a librarian then!"
"You sound insane, we don't do that now!"
"I know"
oooofff felt that in my bones, well done Ryan
I was just gonna post the exact same...
It would be nice if they did, and it would be better if the writers actually had talent.
Didnt the director/writers work on theese episodes for something like 22 months before shooting?
@@thomash3218 Probably, but the topic is current now 😅 ... Are you suggesting that Ryan take the pi$$ in 22 months time on a movie affected by the AI movement? 🤔... By then, the joke would fall flat on it's face. 😐🤣🤣
Made me laugh too.
So thankful to Disney for providing Ryan with content
This is the kind of positive thinking the world needs more of.
I have to admit: Pitch Meeting is my way to keep up with 98% of movie/shows I'll never watch, but still find them entertaining for less than 10min.
100%
Facts.
I mean, I don't waste my money on hot garbage and still have a lot of fun with those products in a fraction of the time. Fun that I wouldn't have in any second of watching these. It's totally a win situation.
@@theLikou1You just like me fr
I got permanently put off of western movies after Batman Vs Superman, and it sounds like movies have only gone downhill after that.
The fact that they decided to adapt an event from the comics and immediately told the director "Don't read the comics, this has nothing to do with the comics" shows how passionless this marriage has become.
To be fair, the passion on the Disney side was always for money; not the material.
How could they even adapt the story from the comics when in the comics the Skrull are an intergalactic empire and in the MCU a refugee group on Earth.
I know which one makes for a grander story.
passionless? I wouldn't say that. there's passionate hatred for the source material flowing through every fiber of the new MCU stuff.
@@kaltaron1284 They could've still adapted some elements of it, just because one thing is different doesn't mean all of the source material was unusable
Did they get Bryan Singer to run the show?
It's so funny that the first of post endgame MCU content, WandaVision, was so intent on keeping people guessing from week to week, not revealing too much about the plot. and NOW with the actual plot that requires secrecy and subversion and plot twists, they can't even be bothered
This entire series needed a sticker attached to it saying, "We clearly have no clue what we're doing! Prepare to be disappointed, Yet somehow still feel cheated!" At the start of every episode.
So did the last Star Wars trilogy.
Really that's everything Hollywood is making these days
yall are so fucking pessimistic, this show was awesome yall are just trying so hard to hate it, fucking losers
Your comment made me think about the apology at the beginning of the Lord of Ring: Gollum game. >-
The funny thing is I've seen A LOT of comments on social media saying they liked the show in response to the Rotten Tomatoes score aside from the finale.
I thought it was OK overall, but felt WAY too small scale for such a huge storyline in the comics. Secret Invasion needed to be saved for the next Avengers level threat after Kang.
I will never understand how a company like Disney, with the vast resources at its disposal, access to some of the best actors on the planet, ridiculous amount of source material to choose from, decide to continually churn out hot garbage is beyond me.
You've managed to put words to my exact thoughts since 2020!
It’s because they lack passion. They used to put passionate people on these projects and let them work out a project.
Now, they’ve lined their forces with “reliable people” who know every cliche in the book. Disney no longer takes any chances at all and doesn’t think of what messages they want their products to send. Instead, they think up stereotypical plotlines, punchlines, generic fight sequences, diversity checklists, and how much money they will make.
Take Puss in Boots: Last Wish as an example of a recent Dreamworks product that exceeded expectations. You can tell that it was made with passion, from the animation style to the movements of the characters to even their roles within the story. Each part of the movie seems to serve a purpose and character interactions serve to get the movie’s message across. Disney used to understand such things; now they just understand profit.
Well, your not that level of Evil/Delusional then. So, upside?
Writers, which coincidently want a raise for their garbage
Because all the fk'n Monkeys just keep blindly consuming said hot garbage. Stop... fk'n... watching. Just assume that everything the Mouse puts out is going to be worthless drek. Fk Disney.
This might have been the most brutal Ryan has ever been on a Pitch Meeting. I think he made fun of literally every aspect except the acting
Well it's hard to get an accurate calibration on the quality of acting when the writing doesn't really give the actors much to work with. Even the best actors can look like amateurs with the wrong script.
@@xitaris5981 "What? Nooo."
this is the first Marvel show where I didn't even give the first episode a shot. It just... eh...
@@xitaris5981 "To bad You! Will die!"
Nah, that Scooby Doo show was (justifiably) as brutal
I still can’t believe that Deep Space Nine, a show from the 1990’s, did the shape-shifter spy thriller so much better than a show with a season budget of 212 million dollars and top-of-the-line cgi. If you want to watch a good Skrull TV show, watch Deep Space Nine.
I am freaking impressed on how you could summarize and dump on this show AND the writers strike in just under 7 mins. You're not using AI, are you?
“Hey shut up!”
No. He's been doing this way longer than that.
If this is the best they can manage consistently maybe they should just get replaced with AI. The quality would probably be about the same.
I've been language monitoring a job for a middleman client for Google, listening to people read stories written by A.I. and I can tell you this for certain: A.I. written stories are painfully awful. Can't wait for this project to be over.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Ryan more cynical than in those last few seconds, and in this series, that’s saying something.
really felt for real sympathy for screenwriter guy there for a moment
"you sound insane we don't do that now" I felt that
Heyshutup!
@@bradwiggins2332Nah,he deserves it.
Screenwriter guy deserves to be replaced due to the quality of ideas he writes.
This is the closest I’ve gotten to watching new MCU stuff
Guardians 3?
Same
Too true my friend....too true
Same
@@LV426Resident
Nope
That ending was both brutal and much deserved. Well played!
1:23 is absolute gold. Perfect delivery. Perfect implementation. Change nothing.
No matter how bad a show or movie is, it always has the silver lining of a guaranteed quality pitch meeting 👍
I wish he could make a pitch meeting for every movie ever
Indeed, more often than not Ryan's pitch meetings are better than a Good Parts (tm) version of the film (also known in Hollywood as a "trailer")
@@danielyrovas sounds like a job for AI 😉(obviously kidding please let that never happen)
It's fun to imagine Ryan alone in his apartment in front of a green screen saying "SAMUEL L JACKSON TONGUING STUFF IS TIGHT" as passionately as possible
His alter ego Bryan.
"SAMUEL L JACKSON TONGUING STUFF as passionately as possible IS TIGHT"
😂😂
Or the fact that he probably had to say it over and over again. 😂
Imagining Samuel L Jackson tonguing Ryan George is Tight!
Ryan as a writer deserves all the money. Who ever wrote secret invasion needs to find another line of work lol
They're getting paid to just vomit up ideas. I wish I could get millions of dollars to just write random stuff
Nepo-babies don't get fired. Look at Jonathon Kasden.
Maybe they did found different line of work. Maybe what Ryan hinted at the end is correct, it's an AI script. Zero consistency, no setup or payoff, doesn't follow any of the acceptable writing conventions. It can't be a functioning thinking human being with a PAYING JOB that come up with this kind of sht, except maybe nepotism.
which is why i have very little sympthahy for the writers strike.
they demand demand demand...........then just pump out garbage?
you know who deserves to be paid more? people that write stuff like Arcane, House of the Dragons and such. the issue is people are getting hired for no other reason than participation trophies or "diversity" and actual good writers arent getting the jobs, the result is people with no imagination are writing garbage crap.
@@scorpionlord9175 this
also did you look up the demands?
they include things like "for every project there need to be a certain amount of writers hired, no matter if they are needed or not" and if I understood that right they also basically want showrunners to be banned from the set so that the writers can make the fine-tuning in case the weather doesn't fit or whatever
"So punch punch punch powerbeam, punch punch punch backflip, maybe".
HE SNEAKED THE BACKFLIP IN OMG.
I love how even this is the first time Ryan had to repeatedly say 'shut-up' to a questions about how Fury got the DNA and how...any of that part worked.
And to get those powers so easily really lowered the stakes. How was the plan in any form that Nick Fury could be inside the machine. Or that Gaia would be able to beat him in a fight. A little risky and dumb with all the magic just in their DNA and powers easily accesible straight away. Another great pitch meeting 🎉👍🏻
I hate the general "basic DNA structure = full use and understanding of powers". She-Hulk tried going in that direction until She-Hulk pointed out how stupid that story line is. And yet here we are with a Skrull suddenly having Captain Marvel levels of power purely by replicating DNA... Really was disapointing.
I love the shut up shut up part. I hope that he uses that once in a while.
@@Coldheart322 I know! That's what makes it even more annoying, is that there is literally a show that happened RIGHT before this one which makes fun of exactly what they decided to do! It's one thing to do the lame trope, but it's a whole other thing to mock the lame trope AND THEN do it, lacking any and all self-awareness, right after being extremely self-aware. Insane
The part at the end was the funniest. Ryan was advocating for script writers, but has built a career pointing out how idiotic scripts are.
"Hey shut up" is prbly the standard response to any opposition or criticism uttered in any disney writers room
It should be a new catchphrase
It's also my go to response to strangers when they ask me stuff. Then when they get mad I just say wow wow wow wow...... wow
I constantly seeing people referring those untalented writers at Disney as activists... rather than actual 'writers.' 😂
Shout out to Ryan George for sitting through this entire show to come up with the pitch meetings! Seems super difficult, definitely an inconvenience
As usual, you absolutely nailed it. SI should have been rife with paranoia and suspense in a show where literally everybody could be someone else. How was that not the main theme? The MCU is wearing itself out by continually telling world-ending stories, they need to take a break and narrow down to smaller, more personal issues.
I agree they should have done more of it, but if they did it too much then the Skrulls would be too powerful. I guess there are ways around it by having the characters ask each other questions that only the real character would know.
@@greywolf7577...and give them a blood test.
The weirdest part about this series is that it shows that the Kree, the villains of Captain Marvel, were kind of right about the Skrulls. Because in this series they do everything that the Kree (according to the movie wrongfully) accused them of.
Yes, and their behaving like that is unearned considering as Ryan said there was so many other options. They never explained the "we gave up after two years" or why a settlement was out of the question considering New Asguard's existence and that they like/have no probable with cold or freaking radiation. The US government have ever reason to kept them happy, considering how they contributed to national defense. Dumb. They also don't go into the history that kicked off the Skrull genocide. The Secret Invasion should have been a small terrorist group of Skrulls obsessed with their "proud history" as world conquerors or looking for blood retribution on the Kree home world. What they did made Nick and Carol look lazy/dishonest/stupid, almost all Skrulls at least passively evil, and the Kree 100% right. Oy.
Dang fr tho
“Get off my back”
Because the Kree are heroes in the comics and the Skulls were always villains.
The Kree are definitely not heroes@@angelintodemonseed
Love the shut up shut up shut up part 🤣🤣🤣 those powers used in the season finale were so ridiculous, nailed it. Screenwriter had no defense except Shut up lol
The fact Giah knowing how to use those powers right away is somehow worse than Ned "having magic in his family" is impressive.
that at least is "logical"@@JustanotherNPC8454
Why’d you watch the show? Isn’t it apparent now that all Marvel shows are crap and gonna be crap? I just shut this show down after around 2 episodes and said I can’t watch this crap.
@@faisalmemon285 Because we all thought guardians 3 meant marvel was learning their lesson. Turns out we were wrong and GOTG 3 was a fluke.
@@JustanotherNPC8454 I don’t understand. Did you think Guardians 3 was good or bad?
I know certain things are expected in every one of these. Catch phrases, etc. The kicker is that the timing of them, and the delivery never lets them get old, and the new content and pacing is absolutely brilliant.
I look forward to every one of these.
the fact they decided to condense a huge event comic that featured many super heroes down to a mini series with a limited cast was already a red flag to me
It makes so much sense that an advanced species like the Skrull would rely on an inferior species to find them a planet on which to live, especially when the former is well-versed in interstellar travel and the latter is incapable of it.
Hey shut up
@@FD-mg5eo and why blame Fury?
@@FD-mg5eo Captain Marvel is probable off world.
The Skrull are on the run from the Kree and hiding out on Earth because Captain Marvel and Nick Fury offered them protection there. They are not able to just go out looking for a new planet while they are being hunted down and killed by a vast galactic Empire so they don't have a better option.
Also they somehow managed to kidnap Warmachine yet die to bullet like normal humans...
"There's gonna be vigilantes running around shooting political leaders and stuff trying to find the skrulls, it's gonna be absolute chaos and paranoia!"
"You know that actually sounds like a more interesting secret invasion show"
Never heard anything more valid
Wasn't that part of the storyline in the Secret Invasion comic book?
This part feels like a left-over from before the reshoots and the re-runs since they had to scrap it all thanks to the russia-ukraine war . I want to believe that they had a great show and were forced to change it all ...but then i watched she-heulk and i have no more expectation for disney plus shows anymore
@@earlsmith7428 The comic was mostly how can we write Ironman as incompetently as possible. He kept having "panic attacks" because he didn't know if he was a Skrull and f's off to let Norman Osborn save the day. Still better then this series all things considered. I felt horrible for Hawkeye and the Black Panther tie in was solid proof as to why you don't mess with Wakanda.
@@earlsmith7428 No, not the vigilantes killing random people because they think they're skulls. It's more about the superheroes trying to figuring out which is which and trying to keep everything under control. Also, their goal is to take over the human race, not destroy it. And the comics didn't reveal instantly who is a skrull or not...
...so naturally that part is crammed into like 2 minutes at the end of the series instead of occupying a larger portion.
Ryan's reaction when AI was mentioned is the validation I've been craving
Thing about them bleeding purple is it was shown twice in the show that Skrulls can bleed red.
In the first episode skrull Ross falls off a building and bleeds red, and in a later episode, a skrull's finger gets cut off and it bleeds red before reverting to the skrull form
I can only assume the blood is red until the tissue/host is dead? I can't remember with the finger scene, was the blood on the stump also red, or only on the severed finger once it turned back to a skrull finger? I'm not defending just discussing
An idea better than working with the Asgardians is Thanos' garden planet. Captain Marvel reported that there were no other life forms, other than him, on the planet and now that Thanos is dead, I don't understand why they couldn't move the Skrulls to this planet, which was teeming with life.
Edit: I meant sentient life when I said the Garden was devoid of life. Sorry for the mixup.
Red alert!
We have someone using logic over here! Bring the straight jacket.
if there were no other life forms other than Thanos was there, how could it be "teeming with life"?
@@jdco8831 This starts to go down the rabbit hole of 'What was the cutoff for The Snap/did it kill half of everyone's gut bacteria?' etc. Once you stop to think about definitions or criteria for any kind of scientific consistency, the MCU falls apart. And that goes for when it was good too.
@@jdco8831 If you can't put together how a *_Garden Planet_* is teeming with life when Captain Marvel reported no other life forms then maybe it's safe to assume Captain Marvel had some implicit qualifiers to her statement.
i.e. "no other life forms [that could pose a threat to us]" or
"no other [sentient] life forms" or
"no other [complex] life forms"
Of course I'm assuming you watched End Game and saw all the vegetation on the planet.
@@xitaris5981 yeah, i get what you were try to say. actually, i've always found that Captain Marvel line to be awkward, seeing as it is a garden planet after all.
If the Skrulls wanted a planet why not use the one Thanos chose to retire on. The Rhodey Skrull was even there.
"hey shut up"
@@CreativeCache101haha
The Kree know about it too.
“There are no other planets”
What in the fuck are you talking about. There’s less than a million of us just do a press round saying “hey, these are interplanetary refugees. Don’t kill them on sight”
Or whatever was left of Xandar. Or ask the Guardians for help
2:21 "So he wants superpowers and WW3 and also like, a HOUSE," 🤣💀💀💀
That 3rd item being the hardest to get...
This is the first Pitch Meeting I've watched without actually having seen the real show/movie first. It absolutely did not disappoint.
So technically, Asgardians are also enemies now. The writers didn't gave any thought to what they were writing.
As usual
This is exactly why the AMPTP think they can replace the WGA with A.I.
Gosh Darn it I just commented this
Technically. But believe it or not, the US doesn’t rule the world and New Asgard is in Norway.
When the Skrulls were like "yeah we can take Earth" and yeah sure they can take NATO I bet but wtf are they going to do with New Asgard? Wakanda? (Who now have an neutral-ally nobody knows about) the 3 Sanctums? The secret Mythical Chinese place I don't fucking remember because that film was boring.
They've got their work cut out for them is what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure if Wakanda can fend off the Black Order then skrulls are going to get their shit pushed in.
@@greasybumpkin1661 I think that was the point of the whole Super Skrull deal. They/Gravik wanted a way to deal with the superheroes. As seen on the show, they were more than capable of infiltrating/taking over regular humans, but if Hulk were to punch them real hard there isn't anything they can do.
Although, that makes me think; why did they not take over the President? Sure, it would not be easy, but Skrull-Rhodey could slowly but surely make sure all of the bodyguards get replaced by Skrulls, and then they basically have a free shot at the President. No need to do the big plot of starting world war 3, when they can litterally just replace someone high up and nuke the world like that.
It's even funnier when you realize that Skrull Rhodey was on the garden planet where Thanos was hiding, and didn't tell his people about this cozy, uninhabited planet that sustains life left and right.
Maybe the fact that Captain Marvel deliberately didn't tell the Skrulls about this potential new home was the trigger for rebellion?
Obviously that is giving the Writers too much credit, but it would of made sense!
@@sheridanroad2001 if Skrull Rhodey made it there, would it have mattered if Carol Danvers didn't tell them? the war was for them to get a new home for the Skrulls right?
@@jdco8831 But presumably Danvers didn't know Rhodey was a Skrull.
So they would know she wasn't keeping her end of their deal with the Skrulls, hence the war.
@@sheridanroad2001 but they can just go to the planet... who starts a war with an entire planet just because one individual didn't keep their promise?
@@sheridanroad2001Who cares,free real state.They can get their revenge later.
Overdose of "Hey, shut up". THANK YOU! Also, great ending mentioning the AI and how logical it is to use it
I'm glad to see Ryan acknowledging the real production process behind these products at the end of the video. The structure of Pitch Meetings implies that these terrible shows/movies were just made up by a writer some day, and not churned through a repeatedly retconned re-shot Frankenstein's-monster process by an executive committee that's never happy. His audience needs to be made aware of that.
After so many terrible shows, I feel like this is more an accurate representation of Disney's pitch meetings than it is parody
Except She-Hulk. She-Hulk was AMAZING! I looked forward to a new episode every week because the 4th wall breaks and meta humor and just general humor too were HILARIOUS!
@@fuzzyotterpaws4395
I'm gonna have to 🛑 stop you THERE.
THAT was more sarcasm than I could handle.
😉
Are they really “terrible”, though? Aren’t they more “mediocre”? “Secret Invasion” started well and it featured some solid performances. No Marvel project (outside of “Inhumans”) has been really bad. Just disappointing. And, at least for me, the disappointment has usually been in hindsight. I’ve never not enjoyed a Marvel film or series while I’ve been watching it. In the moment, it’s always fun.
A bunch of stuff has ruined stuff and left people with nothing to even remember fondly. So I’d say it is bad. If you still enjoy it that’s fine, but calling it mediocre is kind of wrong. I’d watch stuff like Transformers over this. I’d need examples of ‘bad’ tv that isn’t like The Room to put these over those. And there’s a chance they’ve ruined less characters
I would really just say this show and she hulk were terrible. The rest were pretty enjoyable with a mediocre one here and there.
That ending should've been what sets off this new phase. Humans and Skrulls getting killed innocent or guilty could've been a movie in itself.
For a while it was going to be. I recall reading about the Skull Kill Crew getting some kind of adaptation, but that was some time ago.
I mean comic book secret invasion was as big a story as the infinity war, so.... you know... Why not just chop that up in to 6, ½ hour episodes and call it a day? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
😂😂😂Exactly
well that idea makes too much sense for Marvel to incorporate lol
@@austynross Fam it wrote itself 😂😂😂That ending could've lead to an entire Skrull saga. MAJOR miss on Marvels part
0:59 Literally in less than one minute, you blew a hole the size of the Grand Canyon in this show’s plot line… Mind is blown 🤯🤯🤯.
You just earned a sub.
3:14 “we can’t rely on superheroes all the time” said a Hollywood exec relying on making superhero content
Im so embarassed FOR Disney. Ryan roasting the snot outta them just by telling us the plot 😂. Super easy, barely an inconvenience 👌
Disney: "... hey shut up" * but very hurt lol*
And yet you haters still line up at the movie theater for every MCU film and always watch every MCU series. 😅 then you go and watch crap like Avatar and continue to make Disney billions. Disney can't hear all the whining and cries with the trillions of dollars they make every year cause you 😅😅 . So many people hated SheHulk but still watched every episode 😅
@@ahappyklingon3631 projecting much? What a schizo post 😬
@@1Grumpymonk and yet I don't hear you saying I'm wrong 🤷🤣😅 so...yeah 😅🤣
@@ahappyklingon3631actually, if you look at the viewing numbers and domestic numbers for Disney, they are hurting pretty bad in the U.S. and it has only been getting worse.
What he said at 1:23 about how they should have used the fact that anyone could be a skrull to create tension was my biggest problem with the show. In good spy thrillers, the protagonist and the audience don't know who to trust, and that should be taken to another level by the presence of shapeshifting aliens who can impersonate anyone.
Heck, Spiderman Far From Home did this with Mysterio
@@genericname2747fr real, Mysterio even pretended to be fury, we could have so many scenes where we think we’re following the main protagonist but he turns out to be gravik or nick goes to talk to talos and it turns out it’s another skrull impersonating talos
Peacemaker season 1 is a better secret invasion than secret invasion.
@@colemacgrath2005 Right?? What If did it better too. One episode has Loki briefly pretend to be Nick Fury. And they do a good job foreshadowing it in my opinion.
Don’t forget The Winter Soldier - some of the best parts and scenes of that movie come from Cap, Natasha, and Fury all not knowing who to trust!
I was a HUGE fan of the MCU all the way up to Endgame. A really HUGE fan.
But today I am just disgusted by what Marvel did these last two years
Endgame was a bittersweet ending. I stopped watching Marvel after because I was satisfied with what I got.
And oh my god, I'm glad I did. Marvel is just going to keep going and going, never letting the heros have any sort of peace
picture a fine, lovingly made cherry pie made from good-to-great quality ingredients
which a flock of business executives then grab with their tentacles and throw at the bottom of an open silo and proceed to blast with fire hoses until it's diluted enough to fill the entire thing. Random chunks and atomized bits of cherry and soggy crust float around in the slurry they promptly dump from the bottom into our screaming faces while screeching *"HERE IT'S MORE OF WHAT YOU LIKE GIVE US CASH"*
and that's how I feel and have felt about the aggressive pop culture saturation (and proportional decay in quality) of Marvel and everyone trying to replicate their success since I sat and watched Tony Stark DIY his way into superhero-dom in 2008.
@@RozWBrazel It's like each superhero was a tasty pie, and now Marvel is just shoving pie ingredients together. Like, lets put raspberries in this lemon meringue. Let's call this an apple pie, but have most of the pie be full of fish! People like fish pie right??
Who needs crust! Put fruit jam on a plate and call it a pie!
And also the cooks have five minutes to bake a pie, most of them don't know what type of pie their baking, and they have to cook with a microwave.
@@genericname2747 do I even have to ask what you think of _The Marvels_ ?
@@RozWBrazel I'm going to be real with you. I don't know, or care, what The Marvels is. I heard it came out, but that's all. I'm done with this franchise.
I think people don't hate that show only because it's bad, but because it could have easily been one of the greatest shows of all time if they actually did a secret invasion.
Based on Guardians of the Galaxy, there are many planets kinda better than Earth, even in Endgame, we got Thanos living in a beautiful planet alone. But based on Secret Invasion, we got no planet as good as Earth. Wow wow wow.. wow
I mean, the great evolutionary from gotg3 did base his pet projects on earth.
Ant Man 3 showed an entire ecosystem in the microverse. They could just shrink down and live there instead without having to look at the billion billion worlds that are out there.
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. high evolutionary used earth as a base model for our culture and stuff not earth the habitable planet. Skrull already have their own culture and everything. They just wanted a habitable planet. Giah's Nick Fury also says, take this harvest. get powers. move offworld. kill other civilization or whatever but leave earth. As in, if they can do interstellar travel, they can either find empty habitable planet or just kill and conquer another alien civilization.
It was a lie. He started in-universe Phase II because of the Asgardians and made the Skrulls harvest DNA just so he can soup up other humans in case the Skrulls would turn on him. He didn't have a good measure against the Skrulls so he tried to gaslight them into staying hidden.
None of the other ones are protected by the Avengers and Captain Marvel. Their problem isn't how habitable or beautiful a planet is, its whether the Kree will find it and kill them all.e Sc
"Heyshutup" has gotta be one of the best new additions to the dialogue roster. That rapid fire takedown of the final CGI fight was soo funny
I love the little "but-" Producer Guy makes. He's been doing that more as well.
It is not new though
Its great but he's been saying this for years
@@Sir_psylok Heyshutup
Hahahah, nice🤣 @@akshatkadam3784
I discovered this page today. I'm stuck on it. Can't leave. This is pure, pure gold.
I love how after making the Skrulls good guys - for no reason - we do Secret invasion, where the Skrulls are correctly set as the inherently evil race that hate Humans due to, well, the entire Skrull lore.
Bit of an awkward setup and step back
You know, considering how big and complex space in the MC is, it is kinda weird how the skrulls can't find one single planet to inhabit. Like go on Titan since nobody lives there, or ask the Nova corps for protection instead of one random human.
Don’t think the Nova Corps can help after Thanos destroyed them to get the power stone, but yeah, there’s a lot of planets they could have gone to.
Also, where is Captain Marvel? All that time in space since the 90s, I assume she would have already scout out numerous potential habitable worlds for the Skrulls, considering she was willing to go to war with the Kree for them.
@@alexanderchristopher6237And speaking of Captain Marvel, why aren't any of the Skrulls mad at her? Between her and Nick Fury, why is the non-spacefaring agent guy the one who's at fault for not finding a terraformable planet?
What ever happened to the planet Thanos was killed on. You know his farm the completely uninhibited paradise planet. I mean hell captain marvel was there and could of easily told the skrulls about it. Dear gods the writers are so bad it makes me side with A.I. writers. A.I. Can't be worse then what we got now.
heck ask the Guardians. their whole things is exploring space and helping people. There is no way they wouldn't know of one planet that has free space.
Or just go to a planet that Thanos had committed half genocide on.
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Two things to point out:
- The Skrulls apparently blame Nick Fury, the guy without powers and working with inferior Earth tech, for everything yet don't seem to blame Captain Marvel, the "Most Powerful Avenger" who can fly at lightspeed and left with them at the end of her movie to find them a home.
- If Rhody has been a Skrull in disguise since before Endgame, then that Skrull would have already been to the perfect planet for them to inhabit: Thano's farm world.
It's noted in the series how fury basically used the skrulls to gain intel and kill off targets and what not while knowing he apparently could not a find a home for them. So basically strung them along on a false promise and used them. The main evil skrull explained how every time he killed for fury a piece of him died. His human form was also the first person he killed. Explaining how this guy had a family and what not. Guilt and rage consumed him.
It has to be noted aswell as fury was a victim of the snap he probably has no idea about thanos's farm world. Captain marvel on the other hand did, so no excuse there!
And with Rhodey one can only assume he was kidnapped and replaced after endgame
I watched the first episode and realized that Pitch Meeting was the best way to get the story without hurting myself. Thank you for your sacrifice, Mr. George, and thanks to anyone who may or may not work with him to produce these videos!! If you have student loans, this job should qualify for public service loan forgiveness, in my opinion.
That pitch meeting was better than the whole show
Ryan has captured the essence of Disney's operations flawlessly. This may even be a 100% accurate reenactment of how the show actually was made😂!
I'd give it at least an 80% chance of being more than 93% accurate.
I immediately lost interest when they complained they didnt find a planet for them. Immediately thought of the planet thanos went to. Why didnt they send them there? They know its uninhabited. They know its livable. But nope. The plot needed everyone to forget that fact. For reasons.
Hey, shut up.
I have inside knowledge that that’s how it really happened 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@gurneyhalleck1127 78% of the statistics mentioned on the internet people just pulled out of their behind.
I've been rewatching Bojack horseman and I would really love a pitch meeting for it! It'll probably be a bit different from what you usually make but it can be pretty good!
That ending was both brutal and much deserved. Well played!. This is the closest I’ve gotten to watching new MCU stuff.
Does Marvel just ask themselves, "What are the worst possible shows we could ever make?" And then make those?
They Auto-Mat Them nowadays. refabricated plotlines.
"Yes" "Well, okay then"
It's like the Hollywood version of participation awards.
The notebooks got mixed up. They mistakenly went with the "best bad ideas" folder from the 2017 Christmas party ice breaker excersize 😮
i mean....overall secret invasion shouldve been a great show and/or movie but they just failed miserably at the implementation
You know a show has problems when you know of issues not mentioned in the script meeting and learned whole new ones.
To be fair, Ryan has done pitch meetings for tight movies and not so good meetings. He really can do it for anything. Every movie has flaws to point out. Just because Ryan made a pitch meeting for something doesn't mean the show/movie is bad content. Yes I do end up looking at some content differently now because of pitch meetings but I still enjoyed Secret Invasion despite some flaws.
@@vincelupo8419 didn't mean to imply that he only did it for bad movies, but imply that while it had good bones Secret Invasion was a disappointing shambling corpse and that THIS pitch meeting only scratched the surface.
There it is: 4:28!!
I've been waiting for this pitch meeting the moment I finished the first episode.
Usually the Pitch Meetings poke some fun and point out some plot holes, but this one went HARD . You shredded this show, and rightly so.
The tough thing about Secret Invasion bombing so hard is that it makes it even harder to prove it could have worked out better as an entire film phase.
Sam Jackson is like 72 years old. Start a new franchise with that?
@@Redmenace96 good point. Could be cool to see him die in the last phase movie, saving his wife maybe. Great way to go out
@Redmenace96 they should have had Maria Hill's character fleshed out to the point where mid-way through a SI movie phase, you could kill off Fury and have her as a strong enough point-woman. But nah
@@SpartanSprinklesespecially since Maria Hill is HBIC in the comics and always takes over after fury. They could have used her for a long long time but just didn’t fit shock value lol
I mean currently the Secret Invasion movie is still a scheduled release so maybe it will work better if it gets made
This pitch meeting was legit better than all of Secret Invasion.
I am so addicted to these, and you are so great at just NAILing the issues in everything. I wish writers and (more importantly) studio execs would watch these and take note. Honestly, the worst effect of possible/inevitable AI writing is that scripts would hopefully be logical and not lazy... Aka, no reason for pitch meetings :(.
But on another note, have you done See yet? I think I've watched all your vids but haven't come across that (I had to avoid using a pin twice in that sentence). I think that would be right up your alley if you haven't done it yet.
The dejected "I know." after that bit about paying fair wages was so funny. I'm glad nothing like that is going on in REAL life. What a funny and creative bit, Ryan.
Ryan’s material is always hilarious, but that bit? That bit was masterclass. Way to go man, you’ve hit the ceiling. YOU’VE HIT, THE CEILING.
Barely an inconvenience tho.
Do the writers really deserve better wages for making stuff like this?
@@scribbles1424 yes. The writer of the only objectively good she hulk episode got paid $14
@@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831 1st I'm pretty sure that's bullshit, 2nd there were no good episodes in She Hulk
@@alexmikhylov I actually didn’t mind she hulk, I definitely think it’s overhated. Even when I didn’t see it’s quality, I never thought episode 8 was bad. It had the best law scene in the show, best action, funniest lines, made Jen a character for a bit and had the best lines and overall story.
Seriously though, the extended "hey shut up" bit was pure gold
You nailed it precisely as usual. Great job!
I’m so glad I found out about the death of Maria Hill, a character that has been with us since the first avengers, via pitch meetings. At least I got a laugh out of it. Couldn’t imagine how pissed I’d be to see her die like this on a serious mood 😂
I saw that episode a while back, and while I can't say I was angry when that scene happened, I can say I was immediately thinking, "Really? You killed her off just like that?" I get that she wasn't one of the major players in the MCU, but given how long she'd been with us throughout the series, it seemed like kind of a disrespectful way to off her. Seriously, Coulson's death had more weight to it, and he hadn't been around nearly as long as Hill had by the time she died!
While you mentioned fake Fury faking radioactive poisoning, I just wish you'd brought up the humans the Skrulls kept captive at their radioactive base who seemed to suffer no ill effects from radioactivity despite their long stays on the base.
Dude I never even thought of that. How many months or years had those humans been in a radioactive environment and had no problems?!
Just assumed it was an isolated chamber, but I can't be bothered to check
They're probably mutants by now.
“Hey shut up”
There's more holes than cheese in this crap sandwich.
It's sad that we've reached the point where reviews and drama are more interesting than the shows and movies they're about.
So glad there's a world of creative Indie content providers like Ryan
By far, Ryan's Pitch Meetings are one of the best (of very few) modern re-interpretations of Rumplestiltskin spinning straw into gold.
I rarely watch any of these shows or movies anymore, just wait for pitch meeting
Lol same. Same.
DITTO!
Hey same here 😅 sometimes I look more forward to the pitch meeting than the actual show/movie lol
Same.
i think most people stopping watching the MCU after the MCU ended... with Endgame...
but Disney saw $$$ and decided to continue the MCU despite almost every important character retiring
Shout out to writer guy for continuing to work during the strike. Really shows his dedication to the craft. Producer guy must be a great boss that definitely doesn't only care about money.
And would never replace him with AI. Well, as long as writer guy costs less than AI.
Producer guy could use that weird Ai reporter from the one episode of "The 90's Show".
It has an astonishing similarity to script writer guy for some inexplicable reason.
Well, to be fair, this show was written and produced before the strikes.
idek if writer guy was here judging by how bad the show was
The real-life writer of "Secret Wars" deserves to be unemployed.
Great Pitch as always! There was certainly a lot to take apart about this show, and Ryan more than rose to the challenge, lol. Though the end bit kind of came across like Ryan was expecting a different article to be put there.
Awesome as always.
Will there be one for Across the Spider-Verse? 😊
Best thing about post-Endgame MCU are the pitch meetings.
Thank you, Gyan Reorge!
@8tonystark8...I'd argue best thing post Infinity War. MCU has continued to get worse ever since. Endgame is massively overrated.
“He’s gonna meet up with Maria Hill”
“It’ll be cool to dive into that partnership a little more”
“Yeah so she dies pretty much right away”
That part shocked me while watching that episode, they really didn’t want to dive into that partnership😂
So the alien race with faster then light speed want a bunch of monkeys to find them a new planet AND NOT the one they found Thanos on with his farm or his old one or the one guardians of the galaxy found!
@@dont-touch-mepg1392Or even any of the hundreds, or thousands of empty planets/moons/dwarf planets in the solar system itself.
@@dont-touch-mepg1392Yes, Cap Marv Can!
So, she was right after all 😅
@@dont-touch-mepg1392good point but the planet in Gotg got destroyed
I finally watched this show and realized that this could have been phase 4. Have the whole phase be the invasion and end with a team up of whatever avengers arent skrulls.
It would have been better than what they did and gave more of a reason for all the new heroes as they would need new people to fight
You raised it to a whole new level!
That last part about AI was spot on and hilarious but at the same time really depressing
Half of the issue is that the woke hiring practice of nepotism and hiring based on politics/membership in a supported group made Hollywood writing so shitty that it's barely distinguishable from AI.
There's always that one weirdo trying to make everything about wokeness
@@32BitJunkie yeah, they're on the staff, forcing movies to have perfect "diverse" characters and refusing to allow their pet characters to have flaws.
Music labels are already planning on using AI to "write" pop songs. As if modern day pop songs weren't generic and soulless enough already.
After Pitch guy explaining the show, who really thinks he deserves to be paid MORE? 😄
Script writers these days are so hilariously bad that people often speculate if AI isn't used ALREADY to create scripts.
I like it how years ago i was watching pitch meetings to see the stuff i missed like jokes or nonsense.
Now i watch pitch meetings for the stuff i'm glad i'm missing. All that is left is nonsense.
Thanks Ryan.
Best one yet, Ryan & co.! Sending love to the strikers! Also, is the President going to fight/flex on New Asgard using the Thunderbolts, after Valkyrie & co. helped defeat Thanos in upstate NY? Are they going to reenact the scene from the comics where Thor threatens [someone in place of Iron Man] so the President backs down??
That last bit about AI was masterful. 😅
This may be one of my favorite pitch meetings of all time! At this point, I think studios should pay Ryan a premium to screen their films. And that last rant about AI is both terrifying and hilarious.
"You could pay humans a living wage for all those jobs you just mentioned..."
"You sound insane, we don't do that now!" *deeply sad* "I know..."
@@yourfriendlyinternetmeatshield You have to wonder about their accounting department. 200 million for six episodes and people would rather watch anime. An episode of anime costs 250,000 US Dollars. Imagine if Disney had used that money to make animated marvel content targeted at kids and other animated content targeted at older audiences. The financial disconnect here is unimaginable.
@@danjager6200 No no no, that's not how it works. Every board member knows, the more money you pour into a hole, the more money comes out. If it doesn't, you didn't pour enough marketing money in on top. This is the only conceivable pattern of big money blockbustering, to pour millions and millions of dollars in a hole and millions more to market the thing, and then everyone will give you back even more, forever. Even if they can't afford food and rent! Ain't it peculiar.
@@danjager6200 I honestly hope they tried to use Chatgpt secretly, and just throw money at it, expecting a proof on concept, and somehow, despite all the countless involved, as obviously how poor the product was going to be, they just yes manned a paycheck. I wonder what Samuel L Jackson thinks about it all. Probably "*stares in motherfuckerly, and expected inevitable disappointment *" friggin contracts right? Maybe he'll get some sort of redemption for the character down the line...
As always Ryan somehow managed to get his hands on a recording of the actual Pitch meeting for a show. Someday soon he will have to explain how he manages to sneak in there.
Hey shuddup!
Actually how he gets in there is super easy, barely an inconvenience
Shapeshifting.
finally my most anticipated Pitch Meeting is here!!!
Loved the time at the end to find and click the right video! Thank you!
As much as I appreciate the "Hey, shut up" line, I've really grown to love Producer-Guy's quarter-second-random-noise-of-confusion that cuts cut off when the camera cuts away from him. That really captures how these shows feel about continuity and reason...