Finally someone talking about the real narcissist, this is not a person you are dealing with it's much more dangerous, but you can win,. The narc never comes alone
I recently joined your site & have learned quite a bit in just the few videos I've seen. Thank you. But I disagree about the part of sitting down with a flying monkey & asking him or her their motivations for following a narcissist. Good luck with that! I tried that tactic with a family member & this person ghosted me immediately; would not even bother to entertain my side of the story. These types are often as toxic & delusional as the narcissist themselves; facts & morality are alien concepts to them. They often need therapy as much as the narcissist does. Why bother? Granted, I have limited experience with these FMs, but my philosophy is to lump them together with the narcissists & go 'no contact' with all of them. Why? Because the odds are very rare that they'll listen to you and they'll only slow down your healing process by keeping you trapped in the narcissist's web. At the most, give them just one opportunity to see your side, and if they don't listen, then block them immediately & go 'no contact' with them also.
Hi. Thank you. I am glad you are finding the videos helpful. I also agree that sitting down and talking to a flying monkey is often a waste of time. But I believe to give people the benefit of doubt and give them one chance at least. Yes. After that then I would not bother. The chance is slim they will listen. But just maybe. I see it that I myself would want someone to give me at least one chance. But I respect if you disagree.
Sadly, my cousin was in toxic narc family with certain religious beliefs. They had really been awful to her and well, she was 32 and had two beautiful children. She committed murder suicide. ( herself and her two children)😢 that was in 2016. I dont communicate with this side of the family really because of cult beliefs. This is so sad.
Hi, thank you for sharing. Sorry for your loss. I lost my favorite uncle due to religion that tore the family apart and destroyed him. They made him feel so guilt ridden that he started to suffer from ulcers and eventually bled internally to death. At his funeral the church, his brother, and sister fought over who was going to get his stuff.
@@NarcissisticAbuseHealing so sorry. Its surreal watching and witnessing these things with people. You begin to see the demons clearly coming out from these peoples. The more we can reach out to others and help them to recognize the red flags/ signs of this behavior and abuse will keep us getting stronger and help healing. Knowing that you aren't alone and people know what your dealing with. We sure need some healing. ❤ take care and thank you
Anime cartoons and comic books let us know about these people as kids they usually were the henchmen thugs or followers of villains. Their the same way they will sacrifice their time and space to protect their leader
Figuring out who the narcissist is and who the flying monkeys are and then figuring out the flying monkeys' motives takes too much time, too much effort and is not worth it. Life is too short to play their game. Just say good riddance to those people and move on.
Yeah... for the first time in 20 years I spent most of last year resurrecting my music aspirations. About a few months in, I noticed splices of my recordings on OTHER peoples music, which at first was kind of flattering but whirpooled into absolute terror, which led me questioning 1. Who is monetizing some of my music and 2. Why, without my permission steal my poetry, etc? Im still trying to reserve judgement because I have no idea where this horrible yellow brick road leads, but to say the least it was discouraging, and broke my inspiration. Its also very strange times we're living in so Im trying to stay patient, but its really really.... it sucks :/
Hi. Each situation is different. You would need to seek a lawyer who can look at your case and give you advice depending on the country and state you are in and the laws you fall under.
@@len1045678 hi. From your new comment I take it you are asking if the person who likes to harm others (il-intentioned) flying monkey is the same as the person who is afraid of the narcissist (fearful) the same? No. The fearful person may abandon the narcissist when it looks like the narcissist will lose. And they often will not go as far or act out of their own will. The il-intentioned flying monkey is using the narcissist as an excuse to get their own fix in hurting people. They will go on their own and do things and claim it is for the benefit of the narcissist. They will go further as to the things they will do and will stick longer with the narcissist even when it looks like the narcissist will lose.
@@NarcissisticAbuseHealing okay . I ask cause I know of this flying monkey that use to talk to me good I guess, he would be selling his product i use to buy from him,, he would even give me extra than what I'm asking for.. then the narcissist made some rumor about me, something to do with my sexuality and religion which all narcissist does, then the guy stop talked to me, but he would continue looking at all my stories on whatsapp, and soon after delete me, but when he see me talking to my friends specially if it's a girl he would literally acknowledge my friends and then look at me screw face. Other times when we in the gym he would ask me if I'm done with the weights or he would say hello when he feel like it, but it does be awkward. Last year the smear campaign started he would come in the gym with the Narc and when the Narc wasn't looking he would hail me. Now today his attitude has gotten worst. I never saw such stupid behavior like this or I underestimate ignorance.. but im getting the impression that the Narc is controlling him like a program computer, even when the narc is no where around he would continue with the same abuse. So I was trying to figure out is he a fearful or il-intentions ? As for me I won't have any dealing do with that kid anymore.
@@len1045678 hi. It’s hard to say what his intentions are. But from what you mention I think he is a good person who fell for the lies of the narcissist. Two things stand out. He was good to you and even gave you extra in the beginning. An il-intentioned person is toxic most of the time. They don’t need a narcissist for that. So I would have suspected the guy to not give you extra but to try to rip you off. Then the second thing that stands out is you mention in the start he would when the narcissist was not looking still hail you. That to me says he was still not fully believing what he was told and was going on his initial assessment of you from his dealings with you. But after a year of brainwashing he probably started believing the narcissist. You also have to count in that possibly other flying monkeys could have talked to the person and backed up the narcissist for their own reasons and the narcissist could have shown false proof to the guy, something they do. They will even edit pictures and make fake emails and documents. But with all this said, I don’t think he is fearful of the narcissist. Else I would not expect him to hail you behind the narcissist’s back. One, a fearful person would be afraid of being caught out and second the act of going behind the narcissist’s back shows strength and defiance. I think he just eventually believed the lies and is disgusted with you. A person like that can sometimes be talked to. But not in a confrontational way as that is what the narcissist told them to expect. If you can find out what lies were told you may be able to address it or you can just say to the guy that you are sorry he got roped in between a disagreement between you and the narcissist and that you know the narcissist is spreading lies about you.
I have been surrounded by these people my whole life.
I love how you called it- that some of these people are willing to destroy their own lives for the narcissist and must be avoided. Thank you
I also call these people abuse enablers too. Great video! :)
Thank you.
Finally someone talking about the real narcissist, this is not a person you are dealing with it's much more dangerous, but you can win,. The narc never comes alone
You are opening my eyes today, it explains why someone can do the unthinkable
Thank you
I recently joined your site & have learned quite a bit in just the few videos I've seen. Thank you.
But I disagree about the part of sitting down with a flying monkey & asking him or her their motivations for following a narcissist. Good luck with that! I tried that tactic with a family member & this person ghosted me immediately; would not even bother to entertain my side of the story.
These types are often as toxic & delusional as the narcissist themselves; facts & morality are alien concepts to them. They often need therapy as much as the narcissist does.
Why bother? Granted, I have limited experience with these FMs, but my philosophy is to lump them together with the narcissists & go 'no contact' with all of them. Why? Because the odds are very rare that they'll listen to you and they'll only slow down your healing process by keeping you trapped in the narcissist's web. At the most, give them just one opportunity to see your side, and if they don't listen, then block them immediately & go 'no contact' with them also.
Hi. Thank you. I am glad you are finding the videos helpful. I also agree that sitting down and talking to a flying monkey is often a waste of time. But I believe to give people the benefit of doubt and give them one chance at least. Yes. After that then I would not bother. The chance is slim they will listen. But just maybe. I see it that I myself would want someone to give me at least one chance. But I respect if you disagree.
Man you hit the nail right on the head, tk
They tell others he or she is selfish. They cut me off. Oh wellll
This channel is tops! Very thorough
Thank you.
Sadly, my cousin was in toxic narc family with certain religious beliefs. They had really been awful to her and well, she was 32 and had two beautiful children. She committed murder suicide. ( herself and her two children)😢 that was in 2016. I dont communicate with this side of the family really because of cult beliefs. This is so sad.
Hi, thank you for sharing. Sorry for your loss. I lost my favorite uncle due to religion that tore the family apart and destroyed him. They made him feel so guilt ridden that he started to suffer from ulcers and eventually bled internally to death. At his funeral the church, his brother, and sister fought over who was going to get his stuff.
@@NarcissisticAbuseHealing so sorry. Its surreal watching and witnessing these things with people. You begin to see the demons clearly coming out from these peoples. The more we can reach out to others and help them to recognize the red flags/ signs of this behavior and abuse will keep us getting stronger and help healing. Knowing that you aren't alone and people know what your dealing with. We sure need some healing. ❤ take care and thank you
It's so sad.
Anime cartoons and comic books let us know about these people as kids they usually were the henchmen thugs or followers of villains. Their the same way they will sacrifice their time and space to protect their leader
Tell everyone bye Felicia
Figuring out who the narcissist is and who the flying monkeys are and then figuring out the flying monkeys' motives takes too much time, too much effort and is not worth it. Life is too short to play their game. Just say good riddance to those people and move on.
This is you telling yourself you have friends
Yeah... for the first time in 20 years I spent most of last year resurrecting my music aspirations. About a few months in, I noticed splices of my recordings on OTHER peoples music, which at first was kind of flattering but whirpooled into absolute terror, which led me questioning 1. Who is monetizing some of my music and 2. Why, without my permission steal my poetry, etc?
Im still trying to reserve judgement because I have no idea where this horrible yellow brick road leads, but to say the least it was discouraging, and broke my inspiration. Its also very strange times we're living in so Im trying to stay patient, but its really really.... it sucks :/
Tell me in details how to take legal action against them
Hi. Each situation is different. You would need to seek a lawyer who can look at your case and give you advice depending on the country and state you are in and the laws you fall under.
I would like you to address the cheating and the same-sex relationships that happened with narcissist
Hi, Do you mean narcissists who cheat with the same-sex partner while in a relationship with an opposite sex partner?
I can't stand people like this
I can't stand them
Is the ill-intention flying monkey the same as the fearful flying monkey ?
Hi. Thank you for commenting. Could you please rephrase your question as it is not clear to me what you are asking?
@@NarcissisticAbuseHealing ok will edit
@@len1045678 hi. From your new comment I take it you are asking if the person who likes to harm others (il-intentioned) flying monkey is the same as the person who is afraid of the narcissist (fearful) the same? No. The fearful person may abandon the narcissist when it looks like the narcissist will lose. And they often will not go as far or act out of their own will. The il-intentioned flying monkey is using the narcissist as an excuse to get their own fix in hurting people. They will go on their own and do things and claim it is for the benefit of the narcissist. They will go further as to the things they will do and will stick longer with the narcissist even when it looks like the narcissist will lose.
@@NarcissisticAbuseHealing okay . I ask cause I know of this flying monkey that use to talk to me good I guess, he would be selling his product i use to buy from him,, he would even give me extra than what I'm asking for.. then the narcissist made some rumor about me, something to do with my sexuality and religion which all narcissist does, then the guy stop talked to me, but he would continue looking at all my stories on whatsapp, and soon after delete me, but when he see me talking to my friends specially if it's a girl he would literally acknowledge my friends and then look at me screw face. Other times when we in the gym he would ask me if I'm done with the weights or he would say hello when he feel like it, but it does be awkward. Last year the smear campaign started he would come in the gym with the Narc and when the Narc wasn't looking he would hail me. Now today his attitude has gotten worst. I never saw such stupid behavior like this or I underestimate ignorance.. but im getting the impression that the Narc is controlling him like a program computer, even when the narc is no where around he would continue with the same abuse. So I was trying to figure out is he a fearful or il-intentions ?
As for me I won't have any dealing do with that kid anymore.
@@len1045678 hi. It’s hard to say what his intentions are. But from what you mention I think he is a good person who fell for the lies of the narcissist. Two things stand out. He was good to you and even gave you extra in the beginning. An il-intentioned person is toxic most of the time. They don’t need a narcissist for that. So I would have suspected the guy to not give you extra but to try to rip you off. Then the second thing that stands out is you mention in the start he would when the narcissist was not looking still hail you. That to me says he was still not fully believing what he was told and was going on his initial assessment of you from his dealings with you. But after a year of brainwashing he probably started believing the narcissist. You also have to count in that possibly other flying monkeys could have talked to the person and backed up the narcissist for their own reasons and the narcissist could have shown false proof to the guy, something they do. They will even edit pictures and make fake emails and documents. But with all this said, I don’t think he is fearful of the narcissist. Else I would not expect him to hail you behind the narcissist’s back. One, a fearful person would be afraid of being caught out and second the act of going behind the narcissist’s back shows strength and defiance. I think he just eventually believed the lies and is disgusted with you. A person like that can sometimes be talked to. But not in a confrontational way as that is what the narcissist told them to expect. If you can find out what lies were told you may be able to address it or you can just say to the guy that you are sorry he got roped in between a disagreement between you and the narcissist and that you know the narcissist is spreading lies about you.