People think Supes has well-defined powers, but he can be whatever the writers want him to be. He's not holding back, fercryinoutloud--how does that make sense? He's fighting to defend the lives of others, sometimes the earth itself. The 'holding back' trope is to explain how he can suddenly kick everyone's ass. Answer me this--was Zod holding back? Any version of him. His power comes from the exact same source, and he's a trained soldier. He still basically always loses, because as a villain, that's his function, most of the time. Superman's power exists in our imaginations, and we can make him weaker or stronger, as it suits the story being told. He's not more powerful than other superheroes. Just more famous than most of them--and as the first of them, he has a certain preeminence. But there is no objective power level for an imaginary being. Period. Geez, Deadpool killed every Marvel character in a comic book with his name on it. Did you take that seriously? I didn't. Whatever they do is so they can sell comic books, movie tickets, merchandise, and these days, streaming videos. It's make-believe. But can I say, when he can just beat anybody up easily--the story is BORING. That's why he was given weaknesses, and enemies powerful enough to thwart him. It was never about him holding back, having some hidden level of power he inexplicably doesn't use when his life, and the lives of people he loves, are in danger. There are reported instances of 'hysterical strength' that are based on somebody being in a deep state of fear, or rage. While science has some questions about the anecdotes relating to this, it's likely Superman, like anyone else, could get a bit stronger in such a state. But typically, he's depicted as achieving this higher power level while deadly calm. I don't buy it. But I don't have to. Because none of it is real, and I don't need it to be in order for me to enjoy it. When it's well-written and presented. Which I don't think this segment is. Just fanboy wanking. ;)
@@christopherlyons5900 Superman is a psycho that always hold back so people know they need him. He lets genocidal maniac slaughter millions before fighting seriously
Super Man with code against killing and not using full power on almost all opponents is him holding back. Plus him choosing not to take over the world is holding back. The rest of holding back is writing inconsistency and plot holes. Original can’t fly can stop a locomotive massively weaker Superman as originally done got increased in power to point normal foe have no chance. And if he attacks all out without warning take out all Earth foe. Super Man can only Beat Zod because without powers he is stronger and more combat trained and experienced after awhile. Yes it is fictional critics are correct in pointing out inconsistencies caused by not holding writers to a set amount of power. This is an error in fiction writing and Stan Lee of Marvel back when in charge awarded Noprizes to all pointing out these errors. This is admitting they messed up but no real way to fix it when done. And spending a lot of money on extra employees to enforce constancy in a way to actually do it without going past Deadline costs to much with the huge amounts of projects underway. So again the Noprize idea was to say sorry but fans have to live with the error. And of course no budget to actually award anything tangible but the comment in the response to letters the only prize you get so it No Reward given thus Noprize. This errors would be greatly reduced without need to put out projects on deadline because writer with help could figure out how to achieve the goal of the plot without inconsistency a lot of the time. They don’t write on basis of any change necessary as deliberate policy like you state. In fact this in part why DC did their total reboot to fix inconsistency caused near century of changes plus the immortal nature of characters in story. Thus take the Stan Lee approach of by saying errors unavoidable enjoy it anyway especially as they on deadline and no one person can be expected to recall every rule set by prior writing or even their own. But inconsistency will try to be avoided when possible. Note especially with movie projects where the Print person in charge does not have power over the movie production cause errors based on new view on character. Thus they actually made the movies their own Universes. I will attack Novels though on messing up constancy with no deadline preventing this level of editing for a writers own characters inside their own work. Although writing oneself into corner has doomed Game of Thrones being Finished.
@@milferdjones2573 You can easily write Superman as putting aside his no-kill code, and that's happened many times. Nothing changes the fact their powers are made up, impossible to quantify, and btw--Omni-man doesn't have any abilities other than superstrength, flight, and I'd say invulnerability except Viltrumites get bloodied, broken, and downright eviscerated all the time. They are very tough, but hardly invincible. And there's a lot of them, which makes Omni-man less special. Most of the time, Superman is the only Kryptonian worth talking about. Superman has a huge array of other abilities, most notably the ability to destroy an opponent from a distance with his heat vision. And Omni-man is a copy. An evil shadow of the original. Copies are inherently weaker. Just commentary on the original. Omni-man isn't even the central character of his own comic or TV show! He's there to provide a role model for Invincible to emulate or rebel against, and he mostly does the latter. It's an interesting reboot, but that's all it is. When Omni-man is forgotten, replaced by some other reboot, Superman will still be the first and most influential superhero of all time. Even if the movies always suck. Maybe not the next one? We'll see. ;)
@@dude-jk2hn But to any reader that knows the Flash, it's like trying to convince that someone died from a banana peel. It just sounds silly and very unlikely.
Especially considering how fucking amazing of a character he was in the Injustice comic. I would have shit bricks if they had adapted the chess scene into animation. That shit was fire
@@madero-jb5riIt wasn't getting bonked in the head, it was a rock that happened to be where he fell which broke his neck that kills him. Movie should've been so much better.
@@kenjikune2565 There is not much of a difference. You're complaining for nothing. No wonder DC movies flop. DC fans complain about the most insignificant things. Man of Steel was one of the best Superman movies since the eighties, and you folks whined about the silliest things. 😂😂No wonder Marvel is ahead.
In real life the joker would have gotten capital punishment and many lives would have been saved, it’s ridiculous that everyone tries to protect such a menace to society
The reason I dislike superheroes' no killing principle is that they are indirectly responsible for the thousands of deaths they could have prevented. Even for Superman, it took Lois being one such casualty for him to realise that that principle was pretty flawed.
Besides when super baby busts out of Lois Lane, accidentally killing Lois Lane, Superman is going to learn a sad lesson. He might go "Brightburn" on everyone after that.
@@jamesshaw3622 Actually it's all just because DC comics leaves a lot to be desired. The Boys is 1000000000000000000000000% times better. Wait, not enough zeroes: 10*e^10000000 times better There we go, 10 million zeroes on the end of it. Much better.
His no kill rule is exactly what keeps Gotham from truly getting cleansed. It's only a matter of time before the "creature of the night" thing eventually gets old and criminals realize that this dude would never really kill anyone. The writers really made sure Superman would be as dumb as wrong as possible, but if it was in reality things wouldn't exactly be in Batman's favor.
@@MyopicPowerhouse love the boys (the show) , the comics are garbage. But you re caping so hard that it s pathetic lol. Love how clowns that have shitty opinions think that others also think the same
@XanderMagguire definitely both. I think Bruce could've had more impact on Supes had he approached it differently. WW definitely had his ear as well and she intentionally did things to keep him on the path he was on. But I say Bruce because he didn't have that same energy with Harley who was at fault for being part of the event that orchestrated everything thereafter. WW used Supes for her own means. She wanted man to be suppressed and this was a reason in her mind to do it. Both are villains tho.
Batman doesn't help them hurt anyone, he gives them to the law thats supported by the real people for them to decide. Superman takes it into his own hands when he's not even human, a dictator thats not even the same race he rules over. Batman is far more trusting of people to eventually overcome the corruption than feel like they are too weak and take it into his own hands and sticks to what he can do which is physically take them down so they can save city resources that can be used to help out the people. Superman took the power out of the humans and treated them like heards of sheep and lost all his humanity trying to "protect the world"
@@janimal4189 Batman's no kill rule as indirectly gotten 1000s of innocent people murdered. Batman has spared villains even when killing them was justified under the law...like when Bane broke into his house and knocked out Alfred
Batman enabled evil for years. Knowing the system was broken yet detaining psycopaths in that same system. Batman only cared about the villians lives, never the innocent ones they took.
Yeah, actually when I was a kid I liked batman alot but when I grew up I realized, that batman is too obsessed with his villains. Like a parent protecting and scolding a child to return home early after work (prison for villains).
Batman is the teeder totter. He's only supposed to bring balance to the force just like all of them are supposed to do. Anything more and you'll end up like pushover Superman
It's absolutely ridiculous how often Kryptonite is being used against Superman these days. It now appears that MOST of the Kryptonite in the UNIVERSE has somehow landed on Earth. Equally troubling is the fact that Superman has not either used the technology in his Fortress of Solitude to come up with a cure against it, or to just have a cloaked Kryptonian drone just follow him around and counter Kryptonite attacks. That's one of the things that I despised from "Superman Prime" in "DC One Million". He had gained all of these powers and abilities, but was STILL vulnerable to Kryptonite???
What bothers me is that the smallest little sliver makes him collapse. He makes no attempt to fight through it, throw it away, melt it or carry a weapon to vaporize it.
In Kingdom Come, Superman was invulnerable to kryptonite due to his prolonged exposure over the years to Earth's yellow sun. If he just took a walk on the surface of the sun once a month, you would think that would get him to a greater power level. Then again, in All Star Superman, he was over exposed to the sun and became more powerful and expedited his own death. It seems the writers need things like kryptonite to have a way of giving antagonists some chance against Superman. I still think there is more creative ways to make the stories interesting and challenge Superman without weaponizing kryptonite.
I loved this movie, but my issue was how Batman defends Harley Quinn and the other bad guys. I’m not defending Superman, because he lost his mind after Lois, but Batman was acting crappy too
There was no good or bad side until Superman became a tyrant… so meaning it wasn’t a right or wrong decision made by either. Batman doesn’t want to kill anyone neither does Superman, but will if he has to. But, Batman sees the problem with Superman taking it to the absolute extreme overtime in those 5 years. All he had to do is really just accept what happened and continue being a beacon of hope for those who need him. That’s why in the video he explains many different ideologies clash together when speaking to one another. Again no right or wrong just different perspectives on their own beliefs and experiences.
The difference is, in this movie Supermanonly adopts this tyrant ideology because of the mental tourmoil of losing his wife and son, along with realization that their soft actions towards villains are the reason innocent peope die everyday. This guilt made his mind go into overdrive and sent him insane. Batman on the other hand holds this philosoply of being soft on villains in EVERY universe and every film. Batman has a character flaw, Superman made a grave mistake.
The writing made Batman even more despicable than tyrant Superman! After all the good he did, all the years of saving countless lives, he still condemns Superman like that even after seeing his rehabilitation right before his eyes!!! (Note: I haven't seen the movie. I'm just going by this description. )
This movie was actually much better than many gave it credit for! What makes the story so great is that it actually revolved around Superman and truly went more depth to his psychology. Whether others supported his actions or not, they clearly understood his motivations. It would have been great to get a five part arc on this movie.
Batman’s flaw is that, by desperately trying to avoid becoming corrupted via doing what villains do (kill), he inadvertently becomes one through negligence and being complicit. He can’t look past action and differentiate purpose; two people can do the same exact thing but for 2 completely different reasons and circumstances: Superman only kills those with malicious intent in order to protect others and put a stop to one’s endless violence; Joker kills just for the sake of making a mundane and unjustifiable point (humans being corrupt). Batman is just as guilty as the Joker for not putting a stop to him.
Batman has put a stop to the Joker more times than anyone else in the universe. Without Batman, how many more people would the Joker have killed? And what about Superman? How many times has he himself spared the lives of killers? How long has Superman known of the Joker and his actions and still allowed him to live? When did Superman finally decide to stop the Joker for good? It was after the Joker cost Superman someone he really cared about, unlike the countless people the Joker has killed that Superman didn't care enough about to interfere with Gotham's system of justice. Superman's actions were transparently selfish. Batman and Superman are both vigilantes; both acting unilaterally outside the law because they both recognize that no civil system can do what they can. Effectively, both of them have always been criminals. But Batman at least tries not to place himself and his ends wholly above the system and establish himself as its dictator. Would you want any one person doing that in real life? If not, why would you want someone capable of single-handedly obliterating the planet doing it? Especially when that someone has demonstrated a tendency to be more self-serving than noble. Batman has correctly determined that Superman can't be trusted with the kind of power he usurps. Apparently, a fictional character is wiser than many in these comments.
This is a neat way to make an evil Superman, but Fear Toxin or not Superman wouldn't be fooled to the point of ejecting Lois into the atmosphere that easily. What about the way she smells? Or hearing her voice *before* he entered the ship? He can hold his breath in space for months on end, but he can't in a submarine for a few minutes?
I wouldn’t say he’s “evil Superman.” He didn’t just start killing people mercilessly. He’s more human in this movie and relatable in many ways. Batman on the other hand is more appropriate for that label.
@@TheChubbyd07 I recognize this can't be gleaned from the comment that I made, but evil. Superman has been the go-to answer from many many writers over the years when they were asked what they would do with Superman. If given the opportunity. It kind of became its own cliche. So when I say it's a neat way of getting evil Superman, that's in the context in which I mean it. There have been a 1001 ideas of getting there.
IRL the death penalty would exist in every country in the world with no exemptions for mental illness and there would be no curt of appeals. They would literally have the chair in a room next to the courthouse.
You are wrong. If Batman did kill the Joker, based on the law he'd be no different from the people he puts behind bars. Even if the person "deserves to die" Batman has no right to be judge, jury, and executioner or he'd be no different from the new Superman. What people seem to fail to realize is that the real person to blame is whatever judge or jury presided over the Joker's criminal hearings and whatever defense attorney managed to convince them of a reduced sentence. If we assume that the death penalty exists in these universes, then it would be irrational for any criminal like Joker to get anything other than the death penalty after what he has done. Batman is not a police officer, but someone volunteering their time and money to clean up the streets. The corrupt politicians and justice system in Gotham are the true culprits. If Batman ever did kill, even if it was justified, they would hunt him down and treat him the same as a criminal. You should see Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Parts 1 & 2. Great example of what would happen if Batman acted on his own rather than within (albeit on the edge of) the system.
@@withjoe1880 lmao the lame old "no different" trope. Most of Batman's 'career' was spent literally as a criminal vigilante and a half of the rest was spent in violation of laws pertaining to superheroes. He's a criminal POS by your metric.
@@withjoe1880lame ass reasoning, Batman hasnt done even 1% of what Joker has done and does Batman really think that capturong Joker and his escaping everytime is the correct thing to do? Batman doesn't even care about all the people Joker killed it seems, kind of a retard
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... Superman is the only one breaking away from that insanity cult, and is called traitor.
He hears batman taking out joker's crew but can't hear joker kidnaping lois and killing jimmy..... Most stupid and useless superhero, all that strenght and abilities for nothing.😂
When you hear everything, Iit sends you insane. Superman spent Decades learning to ignore most things and focus on a few important details. He couldn't hear Louis being kidnapped because his mind was centered around having a family with Louis. The anticipation of blis and peace clouded his judgement and senses. It's the same reason Gamblers don't know how long they spent gambling away their belongings at a casino because they're so focussed on that one stroke of luck that they may have eventually.
It's the fucking joker the man most definitely went agent 47 stealth mode on that woman he is one of the most dangerous villains in DCU pretty sure he has no problem with getting away with kidnapping look at what happened with jason and many others 💀
Going backwards would have prevented all of this. But, of course it wouldn't have made for such an exciting story. I'm remembering the scene in the original Superman movie with Christopher Reeve starring in it, that Superman found Lois dead because she was crushed in her car after falling into a hole created by an earthquake. He managed to save everybody else but couldn't get to her in time to save her. Angrily, he shoots off into space and proceeds to fly several times around the Earth, causing time itself to go backwards. By doing this, he prevented the disasters that happened and managed to 'rescue' Lois from her car problems. An easy fix for him, of course.
Superman ruining Batman's gig of capturing super evil villain's and then waiting until they escape murder way more people and have to capture them again over and over. Poor Batman.😥
Wonder Woman is the typical attractive woman in the real world... constantly only wants and sleeps with CHAD (Superman), but sometimes she will be a gold digger dating the most wealthy (Batman). Deep in her young past her first boyfriend who she loved when she was young is just a memory(Steve Trevor) where she will daydream. If Superman was a bad boy mercenary rebel then Wonder Woman would be dripping wet for him.... just like the real women today.
I'm fully with superman side to punish & finishes every villains for once and for all. The real sociopath is Batman, he like his work going after villains, he catches them & they escape and its goes on and on. If all the villains are taken out permanently, then he'll be out of work.
But more will come…that’s the thing about the world bro, you will always have good and bad people. Just cause you take out 5 doesn’t mean 5 more will not come
Im with superman too, batman have this weird persona where he wants to keep them in the asylym which does not have a maximum security and breakable. When superman decides to take them in a more secured place without killing them as what batman wants. Batman still disagrees to take them away from gotham which makes batman a hidden villain in the series. We are not blind to see that there is a missing reason why batman is keeping them alive and even protecting them saying it is about the law when the law in gotham we all know is corrupt and twisted. Batman in that sense became what we can call having a behavioral biases, he is intelligent but what keeps him weak is his obsession with the villains he caught.
That's because he js aware of what happens once you start killing people. Once you become cop, judge and executioner, you are now a tyrant. Batman doesn't out then in tbe asylum, the court does, he just catches then when they escape and puts then back. The people make those choices and he follows what the people want. Look what happens after super.an starts, then he over throws goverments , kills people for small things, even words, batman is understands this, because he knows what ge actually wants to do and can do , batman controls himself and allows courts to decide.
To people who blame Batman and agree with superman, no. Superhero’s are supposed to be a symbol, to show that justice can be served and is not something to fear but to applause. Superman creating fear is breaking the symbol of what a hero is supposed to be , and in turn became the villain.
You clearly don’t understand the character and injustice only helps prove Batman is right. If Batman kills he becomes what Superman is in injustice. Once you kill there is no going back. If he kills he becomes judge, jury, and executioner, something the real life world doesn’t approve upon because you end becoming a tyrant. You’re not solving the problem killing, you’re only making things worse. Even when Batman has had his moments people like Gordan, Catwoman, Robin, they’ve all held him back.
@@Bread_Pitt28 yeah yeah yeah i get it. I just think its bs. His code has constantly gotten in the way of saving lives. So the fact that a kill would make him evil is his character flaw. Their are plenty of heroes who have killed and not turned evil. So maybe he needs to step aside 🤷
batman is a psychologicaly broken individual, who is always one step from becoming a vilian himself. His no-kill rule only serves for him, as a thinn line between being a vigilante and a monster. Normal people in military or police sevice dont magicaly turn into criminals or dictators when they get their first kill. Yet they are more or less in a same position as fictional superheroes are.
No, that would be wonder woman for enabling Superman, as well as joker, obviously, for murdering an entire city. Batman is correct that especially in the case of a Kryptonian, a superhero gone rogue is a very dangerous threat to humanity. Superman allows his rage to flow uncontrolled, while Batman has full self control. I think that if you're siding with Superman, you need to both mature and grow up until you make comments online, as well as check your head somewhere to make sure you're not insane
@@nickwilliams7328 Yes Batman was right that since superman is in rage so he can take wrong decision but at the same time Batman who let joker escape all the time was also equally responsible for all the crimes and killing which joker did.so in a way he was actually responsible for all this.
@@nickwilliams7328If that shit happens in real life and joker kills all your love ones and you had the same power as superman I doubt you will be saying this
@@Metamorphosis0326 Maybe so, but it still doesn't make it the right option. You're essentially promoting revenge killing and tyranny, which leads me to suspect you are still very young and don't understand the concept of morality
Red sun prison? Wtf that's so unfair Batman should be banished into the phantom zone He's totally the reason innocent people are killed everytine cuz he's so obsessed with his villains he lets them kill people while trusting the broken security system
Oh! Batman actually doesn't trust the corrupted system. That's why he never surrenders himself to the same system which most of the time declared Batman as a fugitive/criminal outlaw. Batman simply is a psychopath.
Original comic story was very different from this movie. In the comic Barry (Flash) never died, and Wonder women was with superman till the last part of the story ,WW later got arrested by Amazons for her actions. Even Green Lentern (Hal Jordan) becomes Yellow Lantern because of Sinestro. Instead of making a movie they should have made a web series.
She emotionally manipulates a grieving, emotionally unstable man with great power. She’s like Lady Macbeth. This Diana is no Wonder Woman! Even Superman deals with grief and loss. What if, hypothetically, other than a yellow ring, Superman got a red or an indigo lantern ring? How would things play out?
Superman has been written into canon as being able to move faster than even a thought, which is a necessary function(mentally create constructs through thoughts)for Lanterns to be able use their rings So effectively in canon ALL Lanterns are powerless against Superman
@@paradyne1T101you mean dc writing is stupid which creates constant conflicts with any level of sense at each characters most powerful. So dumb shit like this happens all the time
It wasn't just the speed. GL's fist was closed. Even if he pried open his hand and slipped the ring off with super speed, his fingers would not be curled into a fist.
@@chrisdonovan8795 Batman was able to get the ring off GL's close fist hand without GL even being aware in a Justice League anime so speed has really nothing to do with it.. it's just that GL from time to time has poor concentration making it easier to de-ring him
@@paradyne1T101 I saw that episode. He did it while they were talking, off camera. That's sleight of hand. For Superman to do it while we were watching, he would have to rip the finger off.
Superman knows how easily he can kill humans. So he holds himself in, until he experiences the pain of losing his love, by deceit no less, which makes him believe in the death penalty. Bruce Wayne's father and mother were killed in front of him and the memory of that emotion, drives him to refuse killing. Both have a valid point, both are right, depending on your point of view.
I loved this justice league animation and story, it was wholesome and captivating and made you really question Superman and Batman’s actions and views. I definitely want more of this style from DC.
Wonder Woman emotionally manipulates a grieving man into doing what he does. She’s like Lady Macbeth. Even Superman has flaws and deals with grief and loss. I guess the film version of Superman and Wonder Woman is more likeable and redeemable than their comic/game counterparts.
I read somewhere that Batman thinks he himself deep down is not a “good guy” while he views Superman as an actual better man, despite him being an “alien”
What does Joker have to do to get the death penalty in Gotham? The problem is that the state itself won’t kill these people and the asylum can’t hold them.
I find it funny that people MINDLESSLY just accept any story even if its way off. Superman would never do this even if Lois died, he's not so weak minded, even if he was under some influence, he's not that fragile.
I blame the joker for causing Superman to go rouge due to Superman can be easily broken unlike Batman, also I wish that Batman could have be sympathetic to Superman when Lois died. Also to mention is why does Harley Quinn get a free pass even though she helped the joker kill Lois. I think Superman and Batman had both faults in the injustice storyline. To be honest Superman wanted to make a world a better place, but being authoritarian is not the right step while Batman would not willing to stop the joker’ ruthlesss on killing innocent people without remorse due to the joker couldn’t be helped to rehabilitate. Much as I understand Batman’s moral code about not killing people who are bad, but sometimes people who do bad things who have no remorse can’t be fixed.
but yet who are they to be judge jury and executioner just because they can? Batman understands they may walk outside the law, but they aren't above it and they aren't gods to rule people either. humans die and we lose loved ones. what Superman is so naive to think Lois can live a safe happy life no she is a target 24/7 because it's a way to get to superman. yeah the joker cant be rehabilitated but Superman doesn't have the right to kill him in cold blood either no matter the terrible things he did because it makes superman worse then Joker worse then any villain because it makes superman arrogant.egotistical.amd hypocritical. who is Superman to be above the law he says he protects
@@matthewjuarbe5826Let me tell u something punk u should be asking the same question to the criminals who decided to be executioners to the innocent people if they think they can be executioners than the people who defend their loved ones has the right to be whatever they want be it judge, jury, or executioner. I would rather become villain to get rid of crime and see my loved ones cherish not to mention your current judge, jury and executioners are criminals themselves serving the higher ups who can care less about the people.
@@matthewjuarbe5826And I say Superman did the right thing as a matter of fact he should have torn joker to pieces in front of harley and it's batman who is naive and weak. He should have killed joker and be done with the problem, but nope he would rather see his friend turn into a villain and suffer the trauma of losing his wife and child. Superman did what batman should have done a long time ago and that was to end jokers life, who the fuck is batman to stand in the way of Superman. Honestly, I find batman really annoying I mean what does he know about losing a loved he is just a rich brat who could replace anyone with anything and not to mention his family is broken 😂😂😂
@@matthewjuarbe5826no bro, you backward as hell. "Don't kill murderers and terrorists after theyve killed thousands of people, to stop them from killing more." Is basically what you said. You have no idea of the real world and the pain it inflicts. Batman is an enabling sucker, who is too wrapped up in his moral code to see that he actually ALLOWS evil to flourish. That makes Batman an accomplice to mass murder. He's weak, and doesn't have the will power to do what's needed. Which is actually STOP evil.
@@navikeshnaidu6958This is all supposed to make you angry. The entire reason all of this is happening is because of the justice system on Earth. It's not anyone's fault in particular at this point, it's society's fault. Sure the Joker is mostly to blame for taking the actions and being a psychotic piece of garbage, but he is a product of a society that is cold and heartless towards its people. The Law doesn't serve the people because they are bought and paid for by the rich and powerful.. which lets them and their friends skate on by accountability and even walk away from it all at times. People like the Joker get to play the mental illness card, something society fought to consider when sentencing criminals. What we have to consider is we've never seen anyone do the things the Joker has in real life, so it's tough to say how our justice system would react to him. I think they are just going for an exaggerated version of what the US justice system is like. They are trying to drive the point home that the justice league is truly for the people because they abide by all of their rules. If they don't, they could be considered a rogue organization and not a justice league. As individuals going from heros to vigilantes, which is against the law. I also wonder what the laws are particularly in the DC universe for Gotham and Metropolis.. for instance mutual combat laws and self defence. Not every state has a self defence law in the US in real life.. so I imagine it could be the same in DCU. My thoughts are if Superman didn't kill the Joker for this one though, he would've been executed. The nuke sealed that coffin for him. This was where the Joker died no matter what, you can't come back from that
👇 4:15 QUESTION for all Superman fans: If you were Superman, would you be able to "do the right thing" (all the time?) and bring all of the "bad guys" ... "to justice," without ever hurting them or killing them or anyone else? I've love to hear your honest answers and reasoning. 👇👇👇
No, I couldn't think to do right all the time. If you kill any of my loved ones, we're going to war. Don't stand in my way. Let me get my justice for that than just "letting my villians go" all the time like Batman
Yeah but more often it's innocent/quasi- innocent ppl that get the shaft from the system. It's called "Overzealous prosecution " prosecutors knowingly charged people with charges way over what they really did hoping that they're stupid enough to take a chump plea. Knowing full well the people didn't do what they're charged with and knowing full well that they cannot convict them of the charges but they use fear in ignorance to get people to cop out to a deal. Prosecutors have all of the money and all of the experts and all of the know-how with no oversight whatsoever with what they charge people with. Corruption is built into the system
Batman escalated everything.. hes to blame why louis and jonathan kent died..and millions in the hands of the joker specially those in gotham and the metropolis explosions
I blame Batman. . . As many times as the joker escaped and wreaked havoc on innocent people, Batman shouldve realized that Joker cannot be rehabilitated!
People think batman is a ideal hero. MAn are brave.. no way he's literally a psycho hiding behind a mask pushing his unconventional ideals over other literally causing death of thousands people including his family multiple time.. he is no hero 🤡.. i literally can't like him after him ignoring joker , death if nightwing Damian multiple times.. MAN SHOULD BE WISE ALONG NOT ONLY BRAVE..
Everything bad that happened in this movie is batmans fault. He shouldve dealt with Joker years ago, and every time he tried to stop supes it cause a escalation instead... way to go bats...
this is teh best mashup ever. superheroes finally using their powers properly, no more slap-stick touch my butt fake arrest. their attacks are fatal now after all those years.
It feels to me like it all stemmed from that one Justice League episode, "A Better World". Great episode, but it seems to have inspired a lot of laziness in the reuse of "good guys gone bad" stories ever since. The true legacy of the Justice Lords, it seems. Yet enough people still seem to get excited by the shock value, irony, and sometimes moral greyness of so-called superheroes acting like villains, and so we keep seeing it in other fictional superhero universes too.
They didn't handle this story line well. The topic was too complex to be handled by a cartoon. I mean look at the plethora of total revenge live action films (much beloved) that exist.
Batman- "Superman, you need to get past this" Superman-"bruce, WHY are you wearing that costume" Batman ".................." Superman- "thats what i thought, so STFU and stay outta my way"
This story is not realistic. Me (the Flash) and Superman are not that stupid. We're among the smartest people on Earth. Superman would have sensed any Kryptonite entering his lungs and not continue until it was out and not putting him at risk in a fight. I would have not only sensed danger ahead of time with my spider sense like ability but my speed force/phasing ability would have protected me in autopilot mode even if I didn't active it on my own.
I think the problem with these story-lines is that ultimately the morality of batman is very child-like and rigid - in real life there wouldnt be any sort of moral question posed by eliminating someone like the joker with capital punishment. The moral tales of stories like this from DC are too simplistic and are occasionally absurd.
The problem with Joker is they wrote a villain so heinous, so evil that it just becomes too unrealistic that Batman wouldn’t kill him. Just the fact that Joker never had an accident while in custody is hard to dismiss anymore.
batman and joker have same thinking process. They both are mad and evil. Bruce wayne is good but batman isn't . Killing joker is like batman killing himself.
People think Supes is such a pushover, but the moment he drops the boy scout routine, people think he's a monster.
People think Supes has well-defined powers, but he can be whatever the writers want him to be. He's not holding back, fercryinoutloud--how does that make sense? He's fighting to defend the lives of others, sometimes the earth itself. The 'holding back' trope is to explain how he can suddenly kick everyone's ass.
Answer me this--was Zod holding back? Any version of him. His power comes from the exact same source, and he's a trained soldier. He still basically always loses, because as a villain, that's his function, most of the time.
Superman's power exists in our imaginations, and we can make him weaker or stronger, as it suits the story being told. He's not more powerful than other superheroes. Just more famous than most of them--and as the first of them, he has a certain preeminence. But there is no objective power level for an imaginary being. Period. Geez, Deadpool killed every Marvel character in a comic book with his name on it. Did you take that seriously? I didn't. Whatever they do is so they can sell comic books, movie tickets, merchandise, and these days, streaming videos. It's make-believe. But can I say, when he can just beat anybody up easily--the story is BORING. That's why he was given weaknesses, and enemies powerful enough to thwart him. It was never about him holding back, having some hidden level of power he inexplicably doesn't use when his life, and the lives of people he loves, are in danger.
There are reported instances of 'hysterical strength' that are based on somebody being in a deep state of fear, or rage. While science has some questions about the anecdotes relating to this, it's likely Superman, like anyone else, could get a bit stronger in such a state. But typically, he's depicted as achieving this higher power level while deadly calm. I don't buy it. But I don't have to. Because none of it is real, and I don't need it to be in order for me to enjoy it. When it's well-written and presented. Which I don't think this segment is. Just fanboy wanking. ;)
@@christopherlyons5900 Superman is a psycho that always hold back so people know they need him. He lets genocidal maniac slaughter millions before fighting seriously
Super Man with code against killing and not using full power on almost all opponents is him holding back.
Plus him choosing not to take over the world is holding back.
The rest of holding back is writing inconsistency and plot holes. Original can’t fly can stop a locomotive massively weaker Superman as originally done got increased in power to point normal foe have no chance. And if he attacks all out without warning take out all Earth foe.
Super Man can only Beat Zod because without powers he is stronger and more combat trained and experienced after awhile.
Yes it is fictional critics are correct in pointing out inconsistencies caused by not holding writers to a set amount of power. This is an error in fiction writing and Stan Lee of Marvel back when in charge awarded Noprizes to all pointing out these errors. This is admitting they messed up but no real way to fix it when done. And spending a lot of money on extra employees to enforce constancy in a way to actually do it without going past Deadline costs to much with the huge amounts of projects underway. So again the Noprize idea was to say sorry but fans have to live with the error.
And of course no budget to actually award anything tangible but the comment in the response to letters the only prize you get so it No Reward given thus Noprize.
This errors would be greatly reduced without need to put out projects on deadline because writer with help could figure out how to achieve the goal of the plot without inconsistency a lot of the time.
They don’t write on basis of any change necessary as deliberate policy like you state. In fact this in part why DC did their total reboot to fix inconsistency caused near century of changes plus the immortal nature of characters in story.
Thus take the Stan Lee approach of by saying errors unavoidable enjoy it anyway especially as they on deadline and no one person can be expected to recall every rule set by prior writing or even their own. But inconsistency will try to be avoided when possible.
Note especially with movie projects where the Print person in charge does not have power over the movie production cause errors based on new view on character. Thus they actually made the movies their own Universes.
I will attack Novels though on messing up constancy with no deadline preventing this level of editing for a writers own characters inside their own work.
Although writing oneself into corner has doomed Game of Thrones being Finished.
@@milferdjones2573 You can easily write Superman as putting aside his no-kill code, and that's happened many times.
Nothing changes the fact their powers are made up, impossible to quantify, and btw--Omni-man doesn't have any abilities other than superstrength, flight, and I'd say invulnerability except Viltrumites get bloodied, broken, and downright eviscerated all the time. They are very tough, but hardly invincible. And there's a lot of them, which makes Omni-man less special. Most of the time, Superman is the only Kryptonian worth talking about.
Superman has a huge array of other abilities, most notably the ability to destroy an opponent from a distance with his heat vision.
And Omni-man is a copy. An evil shadow of the original. Copies are inherently weaker. Just commentary on the original.
Omni-man isn't even the central character of his own comic or TV show! He's there to provide a role model for Invincible to emulate or rebel against, and he mostly does the latter.
It's an interesting reboot, but that's all it is. When Omni-man is forgotten, replaced by some other reboot, Superman will still be the first and most influential superhero of all time. Even if the movies always suck. Maybe not the next one? We'll see. ;)
Tis life
The Flash's death was criminal on the writers behalf.
It had to happen for story to continue. He is too OP.
@@dude-jk2hn But to any reader that knows the Flash, it's like trying to convince that someone died from a banana peel. It just sounds silly and very unlikely.
Whole movie is criminal. There's a great 2-3 part movie in the comics & they condensed it into a soulless 70 minute cash grab.
They had to prevent a Flashpoint ex manica
Especially considering how fucking amazing of a character he was in the Injustice comic.
I would have shit bricks if they had adapted the chess scene into animation. That shit was fire
Flash dying so easily and Nightwing getting hit in the head causing his death are among the biggest problems with this movie
That's how Nightwing died in the injustice comic.
@@madero-jb5riIt wasn't getting bonked in the head, it was a rock that happened to be where he fell which broke his neck that kills him. Movie should've been so much better.
@@kenjikune2565 There is not much of a difference. You're complaining for nothing. No wonder DC movies flop. DC fans complain about the most insignificant things. Man of Steel was one of the best Superman movies since the eighties, and you folks whined about the silliest things. 😂😂No wonder Marvel is ahead.
The comic Injutice is just mega idiotic
@@madero-jb5ri DC movies floped , coz the are bad, just and simple. Marvel had a plan
The Joker should have been banished to the phantom zone.
Your brain is 10,000% thinking capacity.... mine and the comic world 5%...Weirdest but most awesome imprisonment for such a character 👍🏽
that's what i thought until the lego batman movie demonstrated why that is a terrible idea
In real life the joker would have gotten capital punishment and many lives would have been saved, it’s ridiculous that everyone tries to protect such a menace to society
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs not all states are texas. many governments don't use capital punishment.
@@0biwan7 Even then, I'm pretty sure any government would come to a consensus and unalive a man who literally blew up an entire city with nukes
The reason I dislike superheroes' no killing principle is that they are indirectly responsible for the thousands of deaths they could have prevented. Even for Superman, it took Lois being one such casualty for him to realise that that principle was pretty flawed.
Besides when super baby busts out of Lois Lane, accidentally killing Lois Lane, Superman is going to learn a sad lesson. He might go "Brightburn" on everyone after that.
@@bl8388 No it won't because kryptonian power on earth depends on sun, until the baby is born it won't be overpowered.
None of it actually happened.
@patinho5589 what do you mean none of it actually happened. I've played the game injustice and no2.
So I'm curious what actually happened then?
@@patinho5589 it did. Injustice happened in another universe from the main Justice League universe
Superman: "I'm finally gonna stop all villains for good"
Batman: " and I took that personal"
Because bat knew: you live long enough as a hero to become the villain.
And social media took that personally.
@@jamesshaw3622 Actually it's all just because DC comics leaves a lot to be desired.
The Boys is 1000000000000000000000000% times better.
Wait, not enough zeroes:
10*e^10000000 times better
There we go, 10 million zeroes on the end of it. Much better.
Facts, I deem Batman a criminal as well at this point
His no kill rule is exactly what keeps Gotham from truly getting cleansed. It's only a matter of time before the "creature of the night" thing eventually gets old and criminals realize that this dude would never really kill anyone. The writers really made sure Superman would be as dumb as wrong as possible, but if it was in reality things wouldn't exactly be in Batman's favor.
@@MyopicPowerhouse love the boys (the show) , the comics are garbage. But you re caping so hard that it s pathetic lol. Love how clowns that have shitty opinions think that others also think the same
Batman is the true villain of this story. No one helps Gotham's villains more than Batman😒
Facts.
Had so much beef either Supes but buddy's up with Harley who assisted in orchestrating the entirety of the events
No it was fosho wonder woman
@XanderMagguire definitely both.
I think Bruce could've had more impact on Supes had he approached it differently.
WW definitely had his ear as well and she intentionally did things to keep him on the path he was on.
But I say Bruce because he didn't have that same energy with Harley who was at fault for being part of the event that orchestrated everything thereafter.
WW used Supes for her own means. She wanted man to be suppressed and this was a reason in her mind to do it.
Both are villains tho.
@@XanderMagguiredefinitely more Wonder Woman than Batman, but both are heavily responsible.
I'd rather be a Anti-Hero
This time i have to agree with superman. Batman actually help most villains on genociding innocent people
Batman doesn't help them hurt anyone, he gives them to the law thats supported by the real people for them to decide. Superman takes it into his own hands when he's not even human, a dictator thats not even the same race he rules over. Batman is far more trusting of people to eventually overcome the corruption than feel like they are too weak and take it into his own hands and sticks to what he can do which is physically take them down so they can save city resources that can be used to help out the people. Superman took the power out of the humans and treated them like heards of sheep and lost all his humanity trying to "protect the world"
@@janimal4189 you are blind bro, just like how batman is written. Keeping a mass murderer alive is the worst thing to do, even in reality.
@@janimal4189 Batman's no kill rule as indirectly gotten 1000s of innocent people murdered. Batman has spared villains even when killing them was justified under the law...like when Bane broke into his house and knocked out Alfred
You don’t get it bro
Batman is proof that the Capital Punishment is needed
The fact that they kill Flash that easily is one of my problems with this movie
flash os the weakest one. ofc hed be first
@@setokaiba2711 nah far from weak
@@setokaiba2711u clearly don’t know shit about flash , he can destroy Superman btw,he’s just a victim of bad writing
@@1x.thom_rider so true tho
@setokaiba2711 weakest? Lmao flash suffers alot in writing because he can solve alot of problems easily so they have to constantly nerf him.
Batman enabled evil for years. Knowing the system was broken yet detaining psycopaths in that same system. Batman only cared about the villians lives, never the innocent ones they took.
Yeah, actually when I was a kid I liked batman alot but when I grew up I realized, that batman is too obsessed with his villains. Like a parent protecting and scolding a child to return home early after work (prison for villains).
Good analogy. It's like he feels responsible for them and that there's some kind of hope left in the villains. In short, he's delusional.
Batman is the teeder totter. He's only supposed to bring balance to the force just like all of them are supposed to do. Anything more and you'll end up like pushover Superman
Because Batman is a philanthrope billionaire, he is part of the problem and thus will never be the solution.
@@TheSpongebob1919 there is no such thing as solutions only trade offs. Batman understands this more than anyone.
It's absolutely ridiculous how often Kryptonite is being used against Superman these days. It now appears that MOST of the Kryptonite in the UNIVERSE has somehow landed on Earth. Equally troubling is the fact that Superman has not either used the technology in his Fortress of Solitude to come up with a cure against it, or to just have a cloaked Kryptonian drone just follow him around and counter Kryptonite attacks. That's one of the things that I despised from "Superman Prime" in "DC One Million". He had gained all of these powers and abilities, but was STILL vulnerable to Kryptonite???
Agreed
I couldn't agree more
Ditto.
What bothers me is that the smallest little sliver makes him collapse. He makes no attempt to fight through it, throw it away, melt it or carry a weapon to vaporize it.
In Kingdom Come, Superman was invulnerable to kryptonite due to his prolonged exposure over the years to Earth's yellow sun. If he just took a walk on the surface of the sun once a month, you would think that would get him to a greater power level. Then again, in All Star Superman, he was over exposed to the sun and became more powerful and expedited his own death.
It seems the writers need things like kryptonite to have a way of giving antagonists some chance against Superman. I still think there is more creative ways to make the stories interesting and challenge Superman without weaponizing kryptonite.
Finger wag: 'Joker, don't do this again, okay? We're going to put you back in jail again.'
I loved this movie, but my issue was how Batman defends Harley Quinn and the other bad guys. I’m not defending Superman, because he lost his mind after Lois, but Batman was acting crappy too
There was no good or bad side until Superman became a tyrant… so meaning it wasn’t a right or wrong decision made by either. Batman doesn’t want to kill anyone neither does Superman, but will if he has to. But, Batman sees the problem with Superman taking it to the absolute extreme overtime in those 5 years. All he had to do is really just accept what happened and continue being a beacon of hope for those who need him. That’s why in the video he explains many different ideologies clash together when speaking to one another. Again no right or wrong just different perspectives on their own beliefs and experiences.
What's the name of this movie?
@@sixpackrocky Injustice (2021)
The difference is, in this movie Supermanonly adopts this tyrant ideology because of the mental tourmoil of losing his wife and son, along with realization that their soft actions towards villains are the reason innocent peope die everyday. This guilt made his mind go into overdrive and sent him insane. Batman on the other hand holds this philosoply of being soft on villains in EVERY universe and every film. Batman has a character flaw, Superman made a grave mistake.
The writing made Batman even more despicable than tyrant Superman!
After all the good he did, all the years of saving countless lives, he still condemns Superman like that even after seeing his rehabilitation right before his eyes!!!
(Note: I haven't seen the movie. I'm just going by this description. )
This movie was actually much better than many gave it credit for! What makes the story so great is that it actually revolved around Superman and truly went more depth to his psychology. Whether others supported his actions or not, they clearly understood his motivations. It would have been great to get a five part arc on this movie.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is this movies title? Year of release?
@@ECWoodlock Injustice. I believe it came out in 2022 direct to Blu Ray/DVD.
i bet you like Disney StarWars too.
It was a good movie.
The movie was awful, a mockery of the Injustice storyline
Batman’s flaw is that, by desperately trying to avoid becoming corrupted via doing what villains do (kill), he inadvertently becomes one through negligence and being complicit. He can’t look past action and differentiate purpose; two people can do the same exact thing but for 2 completely different reasons and circumstances: Superman only kills those with malicious intent in order to protect others and put a stop to one’s endless violence; Joker kills just for the sake of making a mundane and unjustifiable point (humans being corrupt). Batman is just as guilty as the Joker for not putting a stop to him.
So being judge, jury and executioner is right.
@@anthonypai6127 I never said that was right, only what Batman’s flaws are.
Batman has put a stop to the Joker more times than anyone else in the universe. Without Batman, how many more people would the Joker have killed? And what about Superman? How many times has he himself spared the lives of killers? How long has Superman known of the Joker and his actions and still allowed him to live? When did Superman finally decide to stop the Joker for good? It was after the Joker cost Superman someone he really cared about, unlike the countless people the Joker has killed that Superman didn't care enough about to interfere with Gotham's system of justice. Superman's actions were transparently selfish.
Batman and Superman are both vigilantes; both acting unilaterally outside the law because they both recognize that no civil system can do what they can. Effectively, both of them have always been criminals. But Batman at least tries not to place himself and his ends wholly above the system and establish himself as its dictator. Would you want any one person doing that in real life? If not, why would you want someone capable of single-handedly obliterating the planet doing it? Especially when that someone has demonstrated a tendency to be more self-serving than noble.
Batman has correctly determined that Superman can't be trusted with the kind of power he usurps. Apparently, a fictional character is wiser than many in these comments.
That because joker is batman older brother they have the same father but different moms...that's why he can't kill the joker
@@anthonypai6127 Aaaah! Judge Dredd Batman would be tight!
I do agree with Superman it's too much crime in the world
i also agree with Batman, Supoerman became a tirant
@@r7diego
He only became a tyrant only because he had no choice
@@r7diegoAnd batman is the cause of this, which makes him the main villain and should be killed instantly by superman.
@@r7diego he didnt became was people made him
Crime is subjective
This is a neat way to make an evil Superman, but Fear Toxin or not Superman wouldn't be fooled to the point of ejecting Lois into the atmosphere that easily. What about the way she smells? Or hearing her voice *before* he entered the ship? He can hold his breath in space for months on end, but he can't in a submarine for a few minutes?
The thing Scarecrows toxins messes w your senses what YOU want to see (so he sees Doomsday) instead of Lois
I wouldn’t say he’s “evil Superman.” He didn’t just start killing people mercilessly. He’s more human in this movie and relatable in many ways. Batman on the other hand is more appropriate for that label.
@@TheChubbyd07 I recognize this can't be gleaned from the comment that I made, but evil. Superman has been the go-to answer from many many writers over the years when they were asked what they would do with Superman. If given the opportunity. It kind of became its own cliche.
So when I say it's a neat way of getting evil Superman, that's in the context in which I mean it. There have been a 1001 ideas of getting there.
His one rule to not kill under any circumstance causes more death than most individual villains.
Indirectly but still
IRL the death penalty would exist in every country in the world with no exemptions for mental illness and there would be no curt of appeals. They would literally have the chair in a room next to the courthouse.
Bingo
You are wrong. If Batman did kill the Joker, based on the law he'd be no different from the people he puts behind bars.
Even if the person "deserves to die" Batman has no right to be judge, jury, and executioner or he'd be no different from the new Superman.
What people seem to fail to realize is that the real person to blame is whatever judge or jury presided over the Joker's criminal hearings and whatever defense attorney managed to convince them of a reduced sentence. If we assume that the death penalty exists in these universes, then it would be irrational for any criminal like Joker to get anything other than the death penalty after what he has done. Batman is not a police officer, but someone volunteering their time and money to clean up the streets. The corrupt politicians and justice system in Gotham are the true culprits. If Batman ever did kill, even if it was justified, they would hunt him down and treat him the same as a criminal. You should see Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Parts 1 & 2. Great example of what would happen if Batman acted on his own rather than within (albeit on the edge of) the system.
@@withjoe1880 lmao the lame old "no different" trope. Most of Batman's 'career' was spent literally as a criminal vigilante and a half of the rest was spent in violation of laws pertaining to superheroes.
He's a criminal POS by your metric.
@@withjoe1880lame ass reasoning, Batman hasnt done even 1% of what Joker has done and does Batman really think that capturong Joker and his escaping everytime is the correct thing to do? Batman doesn't even care about all the people Joker killed it seems, kind of a retard
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... Superman is the only one breaking away from that insanity cult, and is called traitor.
finally someone with common sense in these god forsaken comments
He hears batman taking out joker's crew but can't hear joker kidnaping lois and killing jimmy..... Most stupid and useless superhero, all that strenght and abilities for nothing.😂
Ever heard of plot armour😂
Superman is not infallible, he's not perfect, he's not all seeing and all knowing..
He's basically a imperfect human in a OVERpowered superhuman body.
When you hear everything, Iit sends you insane. Superman spent Decades learning to ignore most things and focus on a few important details. He couldn't hear Louis being kidnapped because his mind was centered around having a family with Louis. The anticipation of blis and peace clouded his judgement and senses. It's the same reason Gamblers don't know how long they spent gambling away their belongings at a casino because they're so focussed on that one stroke of luck that they may have eventually.
It's the fucking joker the man most definitely went agent 47 stealth mode on that woman he is one of the most dangerous villains in DCU pretty sure he has no problem with getting away with kidnapping look at what happened with jason and many others 💀
i cant stand inconsistent powers to let the rest of the plot happen. its just very lazy and bad writing
Going backwards would have prevented all of this. But, of course it wouldn't have made for such an exciting story. I'm remembering the scene in the original Superman movie with Christopher Reeve starring in it, that Superman found Lois dead because she was crushed in her car after falling into a hole created by an earthquake. He managed to save everybody else but couldn't get to her in time to save her. Angrily, he shoots off into space and proceeds to fly several times around the Earth, causing time itself to go backwards. By doing this, he prevented the disasters that happened and managed to 'rescue' Lois from her car problems. An easy fix for him, of course.
Batman really is at fault for not stopping the Joker so many times when he had the chance.
superman seems like the main bad guy here. super hearing working until it doesn't? 😂😂🙄
Superman ruining Batman's gig of capturing super evil villain's and then waiting until they escape murder way more people and have to capture them again over and over. Poor Batman.😥
WW is the real villain in the injustice universe, everytime superman starts to come to his senses she pulled him back in to the crazy
She’s one of the most unlikeable characters ever! Emotionally manipulative
And then leaves him when she made him insane enough to keep humans at bay.
No she’s not. Batman is the real villain. He’s no different than the freaks locked away in Gotham.
@@TheChubbyd07 They both are.
Wonder Woman is the typical attractive woman in the real world... constantly only wants and sleeps with CHAD (Superman), but sometimes she will be a gold digger dating the most wealthy (Batman). Deep in her young past her first boyfriend who she loved when she was young is just a memory(Steve Trevor) where she will daydream. If Superman was a bad boy mercenary rebel then Wonder Woman would be dripping wet for him.... just like the real women today.
I'm fully with superman side to punish & finishes every villains for once and for all.
The real sociopath is Batman, he like his work going after villains, he catches them & they escape and its goes on and on.
If all the villains are taken out permanently, then he'll be out of work.
But more will come…that’s the thing about the world bro, you will always have good and bad people. Just cause you take out 5 doesn’t mean 5 more will not come
Im with superman too, batman have this weird persona where he wants to keep them in the asylym which does not have a maximum security and breakable. When superman decides to take them in a more secured place without killing them as what batman wants. Batman still disagrees to take them away from gotham which makes batman a hidden villain in the series. We are not blind to see that there is a missing reason why batman is keeping them alive and even protecting them saying it is about the law when the law in gotham we all know is corrupt and twisted. Batman in that sense became what we can call having a behavioral biases, he is intelligent but what keeps him weak is his obsession with the villains he caught.
@kaidoking673not if you make a point to them
That's because he js aware of what happens once you start killing people. Once you become cop, judge and executioner, you are now a tyrant. Batman doesn't out then in tbe asylum, the court does, he just catches then when they escape and puts then back. The people make those choices and he follows what the people want. Look what happens after super.an starts, then he over throws goverments , kills people for small things, even words, batman is understands this, because he knows what ge actually wants to do and can do , batman controls himself and allows courts to decide.
More like job security 😂😂😂
To people who blame Batman and agree with superman, no. Superhero’s are supposed to be a symbol, to show that justice can be served and is not something to fear but to applause. Superman creating fear is breaking the symbol of what a hero is supposed to be , and in turn became the villain.
Batman has always been a villain. He cares more about his own code than the lives of innocents and its cost people time and time again
Exactly
You clearly don’t understand the character and injustice only helps prove Batman is right. If Batman kills he becomes what Superman is in injustice. Once you kill there is no going back. If he kills he becomes judge, jury, and executioner, something the real life world doesn’t approve upon because you end becoming a tyrant. You’re not solving the problem killing, you’re only making things worse. Even when Batman has had his moments people like Gordan, Catwoman, Robin, they’ve all held him back.
@@Bread_Pitt28 yeah yeah yeah i get it. I just think its bs. His code has constantly gotten in the way of saving lives. So the fact that a kill would make him evil is his character flaw. Their are plenty of heroes who have killed and not turned evil. So maybe he needs to step aside 🤷
batman is a psychologicaly broken individual, who is always one step from becoming a vilian himself. His no-kill rule only serves for him, as a thinn line between being a vigilante and a monster.
Normal people in military or police sevice dont magicaly turn into criminals or dictators when they get their first kill. Yet they are more or less in a same position as fictional superheroes are.
@@Bread_Pitt28that’s a non sequitur
"Tracks HER down and captures HIM before Superman can find HER."
Awesome editing guys. Great job.
😂
Maturity is realizing that Batman is the real problem in all of this.
No, that would be wonder woman for enabling Superman, as well as joker, obviously, for murdering an entire city. Batman is correct that especially in the case of a Kryptonian, a superhero gone rogue is a very dangerous threat to humanity. Superman allows his rage to flow uncontrolled, while Batman has full self control. I think that if you're siding with Superman, you need to both mature and grow up until you make comments online, as well as check your head somewhere to make sure you're not insane
@@nickwilliams7328 Yes Batman was right that since superman is in rage so he can take wrong decision but at the same time Batman who let joker escape all the time was also equally responsible for all the crimes and killing which joker did.so in a way he was actually responsible for all this.
The biggest problem is the writer of this story.
@@nickwilliams7328If that shit happens in real life and joker kills all your love ones and you had the same power as superman I doubt you will be saying this
@@Metamorphosis0326 Maybe so, but it still doesn't make it the right option. You're essentially promoting revenge killing and tyranny, which leads me to suspect you are still very young and don't understand the concept of morality
Fear is the only way to have peace! Who wouldn't have did what Superman done???
"And we will have...peace :) " - Emperor Palpatine
I wouldn't... no sane person would, not even Superman. He made a mistake here. The movie is called Injustice for a reason
Just you
Pablo Escobar stuff. Hitler stuff.
I would for sure. These libs1ts saying they wouldn't are liars.
Red sun prison?
Wtf that's so unfair
Batman should be banished into the phantom zone
He's totally the reason innocent people are killed everytine cuz he's so obsessed with his villains he lets them kill people while trusting the broken security system
Oh! Batman actually doesn't trust the corrupted system. That's why he never surrenders himself to the same system which most of the time declared Batman as a fugitive/criminal outlaw.
Batman simply is a psychopath.
How could an Earthling have a Kryptonian's baby? If the baby kicks once, Lois is dead.
Hasn't absorbed the yellow sun's rays thoroughly yet.
@@td4531 - Ahhhhhhh... Haven't thought of that. Good thinking.
Also the insides might be red enough to keep the baby at human levels! 🤣
Original comic story was very different from this movie. In the comic Barry (Flash) never died, and Wonder women was with superman till the last part of the story ,WW later got arrested by Amazons for her actions. Even Green Lentern (Hal Jordan) becomes Yellow Lantern because of Sinestro. Instead of making a movie they should have made a web series.
The real villain in this movie was wonder woman
She's like Gotmik on drag race she stirs the pot.
Yes
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it was Batman
She emotionally manipulates a grieving, emotionally unstable man with great power. She’s like Lady Macbeth. This Diana is no Wonder Woman! Even Superman deals with grief and loss.
What if, hypothetically, other than a yellow ring, Superman got a red or an indigo lantern ring? How would things play out?
2:27 just snatched his ring like that 🤦🏿♂️
Superman has been written into canon as being able to move faster than even a thought, which is a necessary function(mentally create constructs through thoughts)for Lanterns to be able use their rings
So effectively in canon ALL Lanterns are powerless against Superman
@@paradyne1T101you mean dc writing is stupid which creates constant conflicts with any level of sense at each characters most powerful. So dumb shit like this happens all the time
It wasn't just the speed. GL's fist was closed. Even if he pried open his hand and slipped the ring off with super speed, his fingers would not be curled into a fist.
@@chrisdonovan8795
Batman was able to get the ring off GL's close fist hand without GL even being aware in a Justice League anime so speed has really nothing to do with it.. it's just that GL from time to time has poor concentration making it easier to de-ring him
@@paradyne1T101 I saw that episode. He did it while they were talking, off camera. That's sleight of hand. For Superman to do it while we were watching, he would have to rip the finger off.
Superman is right 👍
Superman knows how easily he can kill humans. So he holds himself in, until he experiences the pain of losing his love, by deceit no less, which makes him believe in the death penalty.
Bruce Wayne's father and mother were killed in front of him and the memory of that emotion, drives him to refuse killing.
Both have a valid point, both are right, depending on your point of view.
Joker died so WW could become the main antagonist.
She went from wonder woman to wonder ( it rhymes with punt)
He havent met Magneto yet..🤣🤣🤣
He would annihilate Fagneto
what's magneto gonna do?
This the one thing the world DON'T WANNA SEE. Dark Superman.
I loved this justice league animation and story, it was wholesome and captivating and made you really question Superman and Batman’s actions and views. I definitely want more of this style from DC.
YOU KNOW ITS A BAD SITUATION WHEN SUPERMAN IS WORRIED WITH BOTH HANDS ON THE COMPUTER LOOKING DOWN AT THE KEYBOARD .
At least this Cat Woman wouldn't be asked the famous question, "Why are you ... ??"🤣🤣
2:30 Clark: Go sit in the corner Hal. Time out for you.
Hal: okay dad. : (
Wonder Woman emotionally manipulates a grieving man into doing what he does. She’s like Lady Macbeth. Even Superman has flaws and deals with grief and loss. I guess the film version of Superman and Wonder Woman is more likeable and redeemable than their comic/game counterparts.
Superman could have fixed everything in the first place by putting all the criminals in the "secure facility where there is no chance of escape" smh
But then bat fan boys won't have anything to read and worship their hero
Joker completely won. The fact that he could get Lois and nuke a city is just crazy... Supes and Batman failed so hard
Joker should Have been put in a Cell with Joaquin Phoenix version Joker to drive him Nuts 😂😅
I read somewhere that Batman thinks he himself deep down is not a “good guy” while he views Superman as an actual better man, despite him being an “alien”
What does Joker have to do to get the death penalty in Gotham?
The problem is that the state itself won’t kill these people and the asylum can’t hold them.
I find it funny that people MINDLESSLY just accept any story even if its way off.
Superman would never do this even if Lois died, he's not so weak minded, even if he was under some influence, he's not that fragile.
I blame the joker for causing Superman to go rouge due to Superman can be easily broken unlike Batman, also I wish that Batman could have be sympathetic to Superman when Lois died. Also to mention is why does Harley Quinn get a free pass even though she helped the joker kill Lois. I think Superman and Batman had both faults in the injustice storyline. To be honest Superman wanted to make a world a better place, but being authoritarian is not the right step while Batman would not willing to stop the joker’ ruthlesss on killing innocent people without remorse due to the joker couldn’t be helped to rehabilitate. Much as I understand Batman’s moral code about not killing people who are bad, but sometimes people who do bad things who have no remorse can’t be fixed.
but yet who are they to be judge jury and executioner just because they can? Batman understands they may walk outside the law, but they aren't above it and they aren't gods to rule people either. humans die and we lose loved ones. what Superman is so naive to think Lois can live a safe happy life no she is a target 24/7 because it's a way to get to superman. yeah the joker cant be rehabilitated but Superman doesn't have the right to kill him in cold blood either no matter the terrible things he did because it makes superman worse then Joker worse then any villain because it makes superman arrogant.egotistical.amd hypocritical. who is Superman to be above the law he says he protects
@@matthewjuarbe5826Let me tell u something punk u should be asking the same question to the criminals who decided to be executioners to the innocent people if they think they can be executioners than the people who defend their loved ones has the right to be whatever they want be it judge, jury, or executioner. I would rather become villain to get rid of crime and see my loved ones cherish not to mention your current judge, jury and executioners are criminals themselves serving the higher ups who can care less about the people.
@@matthewjuarbe5826And I say Superman did the right thing as a matter of fact he should have torn joker to pieces in front of harley and it's batman who is naive and weak. He should have killed joker and be done with the problem, but nope he would rather see his friend turn into a villain and suffer the trauma of losing his wife and child. Superman did what batman should have done a long time ago and that was to end jokers life, who the fuck is batman to stand in the way of Superman. Honestly, I find batman really annoying I mean what does he know about losing a loved he is just a rich brat who could replace anyone with anything and not to mention his family is broken 😂😂😂
@@matthewjuarbe5826no bro, you backward as hell. "Don't kill murderers and terrorists after theyve killed thousands of people, to stop them from killing more." Is basically what you said. You have no idea of the real world and the pain it inflicts. Batman is an enabling sucker, who is too wrapped up in his moral code to see that he actually ALLOWS evil to flourish. That makes Batman an accomplice to mass murder. He's weak, and doesn't have the will power to do what's needed. Which is actually STOP evil.
@@navikeshnaidu6958This is all supposed to make you angry. The entire reason all of this is happening is because of the justice system on Earth. It's not anyone's fault in particular at this point, it's society's fault. Sure the Joker is mostly to blame for taking the actions and being a psychotic piece of garbage, but he is a product of a society that is cold and heartless towards its people. The Law doesn't serve the people because they are bought and paid for by the rich and powerful.. which lets them and their friends skate on by accountability and even walk away from it all at times. People like the Joker get to play the mental illness card, something society fought to consider when sentencing criminals. What we have to consider is we've never seen anyone do the things the Joker has in real life, so it's tough to say how our justice system would react to him. I think they are just going for an exaggerated version of what the US justice system is like. They are trying to drive the point home that the justice league is truly for the people because they abide by all of their rules. If they don't, they could be considered a rogue organization and not a justice league. As individuals going from heros to vigilantes, which is against the law. I also wonder what the laws are particularly in the DC universe for Gotham and Metropolis.. for instance mutual combat laws and self defence. Not every state has a self defence law in the US in real life.. so I imagine it could be the same in DCU. My thoughts are if Superman didn't kill the Joker for this one though, he would've been executed. The nuke sealed that coffin for him. This was where the Joker died no matter what, you can't come back from that
Batman calling out Superman for wanting villains to be afraid is so hypocritical !
in the early years of batman he had no problem killing bad guys & he carried a colt 1911a1 pistol, so did capt. America
Yup. Purity culture ruined him
THIS WAS ALL JOKER'S FAULT.... or maybe Batman. It's crazy how one person can cause a domino effect of everything else becoming screwed up.
👇 4:15 QUESTION for all Superman fans: If you were Superman, would you be able to "do the right thing" (all the time?) and bring all of the "bad guys" ... "to justice," without ever hurting them or killing them or anyone else? I've love to hear your honest answers and reasoning. 👇👇👇
No, I couldn't think to do right all the time. If you kill any of my loved ones, we're going to war. Don't stand in my way. Let me get my justice for that than just "letting my villians go" all the time like Batman
Is this from a movie or comic series that can be watched? If so, where can I find it, watch it or purchase it? Thanks for clarity & assistance!
HBO max injustice
3:29 THIS ! It is fact. In real life evil criminals escape justice cause all the time cause of laws who defend lives of murderers.
Yup... especially in America. Pedophiles are protected, worshipped and make movies.
Yeah but more often it's innocent/quasi- innocent ppl that get the shaft from the system. It's called "Overzealous prosecution " prosecutors knowingly charged people with charges way over what they really did hoping that they're stupid enough to take a chump plea. Knowing full well the people didn't do what they're charged with and knowing full well that they cannot convict them of the charges but they use fear in ignorance to get people to cop out to a deal. Prosecutors have all of the money and all of the experts and all of the know-how with no oversight whatsoever with what they charge people with. Corruption is built into the system
@@stevenkeller4764 silence l1bsh1t. Your motte and bailey bs won't work here.
That was amazing!!
The amount of people here that want Batman to be the Punisher here is stupid.
Just going through the comments I can tell there are so many people who didn't understand Injustice.
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People who think the no kill rule makes sense is stupid
@tmac731 There is a reason murder is a crime in our world
This was awesome. Thank you.
Which series is this
8:02 You gotta hand it to Batman, he has a contingency plan for everyone, with good reason, even for himself.
I Love Batman but I’m Taking SuperMan Side and Love Him too
Batman: Then you're all fired. Now GTFO of my tower.
This animated movie is the worst video game adaptation to ever make me rage quit
Cry baby
@@MarlinWheeler ABHAHAHAHAH
Thanks you so much🖤
Batman escalated everything.. hes to blame why louis and jonathan kent died..and millions in the hands of the joker specially those in gotham and the metropolis explosions
Darkside and the other villains be like, we knew it's really not us who bring the chaos but the heroes all along
I blame Joker he’s the one that caused all of this huge things he’s done after his death.
An absolute monster
I blame Batman. . . As many times as the joker escaped and wreaked havoc on innocent people, Batman shouldve realized that Joker cannot be rehabilitated!
Joker Wins!!!😊😊
@@rodrickrichard9121 what are you talking about he killed Flash duo to one of the traps he put that Flash didn’t even know.
@@ernestovarela676 Jokers plan was to make someone like Superman corrupt which was exactly what happened.
Can anyone tell me what the background music is called?!
what's the name of this movie?
Watch the video you bot
@@houseofchinn6112 the bot doesn't want a recap with spoilers and rather watch it...
@SUPEReeeGO BRO I USED TO WATCH YOU GROWING UP NO WAYYYY!!!!!
@@SUPEReeeGO no it's because every recap video has bots asking for the name when it's in the beginning of the video or description. They are not real
@@SUPEReeeGO whatever
Good video, was hoping for the full audio though
People think batman is a ideal hero. MAn are brave.. no way he's literally a psycho hiding behind a mask pushing his unconventional ideals over other literally causing death of thousands people including his family multiple time.. he is no hero 🤡.. i literally can't like him after him ignoring joker , death if nightwing Damian multiple times.. MAN SHOULD BE WISE ALONG NOT ONLY BRAVE..
Saw this animated movie already. This movie was sad and brutal at the same time.
Everything bad that happened in this movie is batmans fault. He shouldve dealt with Joker years ago, and every time he tried to stop supes it cause a escalation instead... way to go bats...
Great job, subscribed! 👍
I don’t wanna see anything like this again
this is teh best mashup ever. superheroes finally using their powers properly, no more slap-stick touch my butt fake arrest. their attacks are fatal now after all those years.
I'm just here to Observe..........
Because its my name after all.....
Same 😅😅
Super Nice!!
You know I wish in this the justice league members didn’t die including Nightwing aka (Dick Grayson) and Johnathan Kent as well.
This movie was rushed..It should have been at least 2 parts. 2+ hours each.
@@illsolo5996 What’s the movie name bro. ?
Damn wonderwoman is the one who pushed superman over the edge. Really sucks she did not get punish for her crimes.
Im with Superman.
"Where's ma god-damn electric car, Bruce?"
The Evil Superman trope is so overdone at this point that it’s become comical.
It feels to me like it all stemmed from that one Justice League episode, "A Better World". Great episode, but it seems to have inspired a lot of laziness in the reuse of "good guys gone bad" stories ever since. The true legacy of the Justice Lords, it seems.
Yet enough people still seem to get excited by the shock value, irony, and sometimes moral greyness of so-called superheroes acting like villains, and so we keep seeing it in other fictional superhero universes too.
I laughed as the Narrator of the video says "Green Arrow" tracks down Harley Quinn down and captures him before Superman finds her.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They didn't handle this story line well. The topic was too complex to be handled by a cartoon. I mean look at the plethora of total revenge live action films (much beloved) that exist.
Batman- "Superman, you need to get past this" Superman-"bruce, WHY are you wearing that costume" Batman ".................." Superman- "thats what i thought, so STFU and stay outta my way"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Batman is the true villian
In this world, The Joker had the last laugh. He turned Earth's greatest hero into Earth's worst tyrant.
This story is not realistic. Me (the Flash) and Superman are not that stupid. We're among the smartest people on Earth. Superman would have sensed any Kryptonite entering his lungs and not continue until it was out and not putting him at risk in a fight. I would have not only sensed danger ahead of time with my spider sense like ability but my speed force/phasing ability would have protected me in autopilot mode even if I didn't active it on my own.
I think the problem with these story-lines is that ultimately the morality of batman is very child-like and rigid - in real life there wouldnt be any sort of moral question posed by eliminating someone like the joker with capital punishment. The moral tales of stories like this from DC are too simplistic and are occasionally absurd.
MOVIE NAME: INJUSTICE
The problem with Joker is they wrote a villain so heinous, so evil that it just becomes too unrealistic that Batman wouldn’t kill him. Just the fact that Joker never had an accident while in custody is hard to dismiss anymore.
batman and joker have same thinking process. They both are mad and evil.
Bruce wayne is good but batman isn't .
Killing joker is like batman killing himself.
All I’m saying is that this film is not cannon at all
It sure is
It takes place in another universe. Something similar happened in the Justice League cartoon.
Didn't see it in the 'more' section. What's the name of this animation? Didn't know this existed. Thanks for posting.
Batman weakness is wokeness...
No his weakness is bad writing Injustice is terrible.
Israeli supporter. Opinion invalid.
@@ericchen122 based
Holy hell your voice is the perfect mix of monotone and a black hole of joy.