Watch our AMD Ryzen 3 3300X Infinity Fabric & RAM OC benchmarks here: ruclips.net/video/WT6I9dtg9LQ/видео.html Or, if you want to look at how the 3300X becomes limited at higher framerates, watch our R3 3300X CPU review: ruclips.net/video/NM2fFpzPKPg/видео.html As always, thanks to everyone who supports us directly! The impact is what allows us to continue expanding our testing. Watching is the first best way to help, and after that, please consider supporting our work here: store.gamersnexus.net or here: www.patreon.com/gamersnexus
hey, Steve, just want to say when you did video about B450, you forgot to mention that B550 would NOT support 1600 AF or 2600. so budget builders who want Zen3 support going to be stuck with Ryzen 3 3300X option.
Before talking about competitive games like "Counter Strike", you should at least, test them ! Counter strike 1080p with 2080ti/3300x...... more than 400 fps avg And so on.... So what are you talking about ? Even counter strike pro players don't need the 9900k to play at 1080p with their 240hz monitors. None of them. It is a fact ! So please stop with your 9900k bullshit.
In a sea of benchmarks comparing cpus at 1080p, this video was an absolute godsend. Thanks to Steve and the team for showing us some high end scaling. With the increase in 4k tv and monitor adoption, this helps gauge how much cpu I need realistically for gaming on say the living room system 4k/60 before I start to throw money away.
I agree, it was nice to see with how little money on the cpu side one could be just fine when aiming for the 4K/60fps gaming while pushing the graphics high. And after all, if the need arises for more cpu performance there is always the 3950X on the same AM4 platform to upgrade to for a more "balanced" setup.
im using r3 1300x and 1080 ti connected to my 4ktv..get better fps than conslows and better graphics...im gonna be upgrading to 3600 and 3xxx series gpu
Issue is that there is not a single "decent" 500w psu for $50. Cheapest I'd go is a CX450/M, which is $65 at lowest. Also having a MOBO that supports 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box is beneficial. Also it seems like no cases actually include fans these days. Anyone know of a good cheap ATX case with included fans?
@@linden6352I saw EVGA 600w for $49.9 in amazon. In Asia we can find so many good atx case start from $25, and even a fan start from $5. So $50 i can get a nice case with 3 fans
I'm still genuinely surprised at the scaling of this CPU. I was thinking it would be MUCH larger difference. Pairing it with a entry - mid range GPU is more logical, but nevertheless even a 2080ti didn't have horrible scaling. Gotta be one of the first times I was wrong with my expectations. Good job proving me wrong lol.
This follows the classic i7 wisdom, really. 4c8t was truly what most gamers needed, since good ST plus a little extra MT was enough to defeat most multicore games at the time, and was still able to keep up with games that could use more than 4 threads. Since some of today's games leverage more threads (6+), CPUs like the 8086K and the 3600 are able to outpace 4c8t CPUs like the 3300X...mostly in consistency, demonstrated by games like SotTR. That doesn't mean the 3300X is going to be a bad choice, though, especially if you're targeting mainly 60fps for 1080p, 1440p, or 4K.
@@arthurbonds7200 wouldn't it make more sense to buy a 3300x with a 1650s as a first build, keep the 1650s until later this year and upgrade it with the new line and then also upgrade the cpu with zen 3 next year ?
@@dragos8839 What I think they mean is that if you're on a budget, you don't have to try spreading the money between GPU and CPU like you use to. You can buy the cheaper 3300x and put the rest of the money you would have spent for the cpu into the gpu. Even upgrading from say a 1650 to a 2060 would be a much better investment. Then later, you can upgrade the CPU. It use to be the other way around where you spent a ton on cpu and saved for a better gpu since lower end cpus tended to kill gaming experiences.
@@dashkataey1740 I got it but I'm still kind of afraid lol. I'm building a new pc in june and I want to get a r5 3600 and a 1650s but since zen 3 and the new gpus will be out in a few more months, I'm kind of afraid of wasting too much money. I guess I'll go with the r3 3300x and 1650s and save money for a new gpu at the end of the year and then upgrade to zen 3 once the r3 3300x can't keep up anymore (prolly next year) and then keep the whole build for another 2-3 years, until at least a generation or two of cpus have passed on the AM5 socket. But dunno man sounds risky, I'm afraid I won't have the money to upgrade later on. Ik it'd be better to straight up wait for zen 3 but I can't wait any longer I need a new pc asap. Any thoughts ?
Good investment indeed. Again... he question of "should I allocate more money to CPU or GPU?" is ended now. Just buy R3 3300X and allocate the rest to GPU and higher clock memory
Dependent on monitor. If you're targeting 1080p144/1440p144, you'll want generally stable high framerate, even with Adaptive Sync. Otherwise, yes, put it all in your GPU. Not even sure about higher clocked memory (since it's diminishing returns past a certain point), maybe more memory would be better.
@@arthurbonds7200 Yes there is always an exception, but we agree that we can generalize it. I mean... we all know that more cores means more stable as in R3 3300X and R5 1600AF comparison
@@Dominus_Potatus 3300X has higher IPC and clock speed to the point where the deficit between 1600AF and 3300X doesn't exist. You'll most likely just end up with the same low performance and better high performance on the 3300X. I'd go with the 3300X any day for gaming. It's either as good or better at a slightly higher price. That, and wait a bit so you can pair it with B550 for a future upgrade to something like an 8 core Vermeer in a year or two when the extra performance is needed.
@@DirtyPoul I thought AMD changed their stance and now b450s will support Zen 3? I'm heavily considering pairing a 3300x with a 2080 Super, then upgrading my CPU a couple years down the line if necessary. (If games are optimized for 8 zen cores in the next-gen consoles). My other potential setup was a 3700x with a 2080 S. However seeing how this $120 budget chip is competitive with the 3700x now, I figure the budget 4000 series option, and future iterations will destroy they 3700x in a couple years.
@@shineinouzen7412 I think they changed their mind after my comment, but not sure. Either way, the B550 would still be a better option because of better and faster support for Ryzen 4000. That, and AMD has said that Ryzen 4000 will be the last for B450 and X470, so if AMD decide to refresh the lineup then it will be for only 500 series motherboards. Think 3600XT, 3700XT, 3900XT, but for Ryzen 4000. Or if they make a smaller revision with a Zen3+ release, that will not be supported on 400 series boards. Another thing to note is that 500 series will support Ryzen 4000 at launch. 400 series will have to wait as the BIOS guys will prioritize the newer boards first. How long will 400 series have to wait for Ryzen 4000 support? Hard to say. Could be 3 months after release, could be 6 months, or it could be even longer. Not ideal for someone with a 2080 Super like budget. I'd strongly recommend you to avoid the 2080 Super though. Find a 2070 Super on sale or a 5700XT and upgrade to RDNA 2 or Ampere this autumn. It's never ideal to buy high-end cards because of diminishing returns, but it would be even worse to do so now that we're about 3 months and a bit before the biggest generational leap in graphics that we've seen since at least Pascal 4 years ago. I'd advise you to either wait for B550 in 2-3 weeks and buy a 3300X to go with it, or buy B450 now with a 3600 if you cannot wait. Sitting with your kind of budget on a 3300X for potentially up to a year after you upgrade to something even faster than the 2080 Super this autumn would be a mistake imo. So, can you wait for B550?
I would never recommend a 60HZ screen in 2020. To me the jump to 100hz/144hz is way more important than jumping to 4K. Especially when the card will run older titles on that framerate. For me 100hz/144hz 3440x1440 is currently the sweet spot between productivity, gaming, movie watching and future upgradeability and price (I'd rather not upgrade my monitor every 2 years).
@@MrMartin627 These guys are talking about gaming on a work PC for image editing / office applications or something like that. High refresh rate gaming monitors aren't good for color accuracy, and if you need that for work then you're stuck with a 60 Hz monitor.
@Patrick B im still rocking r3 1300x and 1080 ti..upgraded from g4560..i play mostly rpgs so 60fps is fine by me.. I'd rather play at 4k..gonna be upgrading to 3xxx series for 4k ultra with 3600 on my tcl 65" 4ktv
well but I dont think people who can buy 2080 ti and 4k monitor cant buy better cpu (AMD has better ones as well) so they will go with something better.
I really want one of these 3300X to replace my aging Xeon X5650 server! Pretty awesome little CPU for the price, I'm impressed ;) Brand loyalty aside, thanks AMD (and Zen!) for making good CPUs more affordable these days
Spot on contents, indeed the tech Jesus. I just wanna thanks GN for these contents. They're covering basically everything a customer needs to know about the product (given they know what workloads they're gonna use) well done!
I really love how GN benchmarks and talks about products. It really helped me make the corect decision, with talking about the options you have and which options are better for which use case. And then showing the different price tiers in the benchmarks.
Testing some games that throw the hardware balance on their head could be interesting. CPU bound games like Stellaris and the total war series, at what point does a GPU upgrade become unnecessary. Max settings, FPS exceeds 60, etc. The metric to aim for in these games becomes turn times/time passage.
I think an interesting metric would be FPS/$ when upgrading each. At what point does stepping up from 3300X makes more sense than upgrading the GPU only?
That point is generally variable, but you can easily extract the info you need from the results. As you can see, all of these tests show that if you're on 1080p60, you won't need anything more than a 3300X. If you're on 1080p144, you might want either a high-clocked Intel 6-core or AMD 3600+, especially to keep the minimums as high as possible. When you get to 1440p and higher, the load shifts mainly towards the GPU, so the impact of your CPU decreases, also shown in the tests.
@@FinneousPJ1 im going with the 3700x, mostly to match next gen console as well as some productivity. 3300x : $150 3700x : $450 Maybe not worth it but i like it.
I think that comparison would favor pairing a 3300x with a 2080ti ...IF you're gaming in 1440p/high or better. at higher resolution & higher settings, the 2080ti nets you a BIG gain over a 2070super, but you're going to be spending about $50-$100 per frame in upgrading the cpu above 3300x. The argument "people who get nice gpu's can afford fancier cpu's", presented in this video, isn't a very utilitarian take on things. I think the only reason (for those who don't use 1080p anymore) to get a better cpu than 3300x, would be forwards thinking towards upgrading the gpu later on, without having to upgrade the cpu/mobo.
@@kathrynck Yeah that's what it seems like to me as well. For a gaming system the optimum seems to be 3300X up to something like a 1800 USD budget, if 2080 Ti is 1200. If you have more to spend then sure grab a 3600 or 3700X.
Great addition to your coverage of this CPU as it makes it more obvious why reviewers are so excited about this part. This video nicely fills the gap between recommending builds for certain settings/budgets and reviews designed to measure the maximum performance of a part.
Really interesting video. However I would have loved to see one of the Assassin's Creed titles in there. These are infamous CPU hogs. My 7700K @ 4.8 GHz combined with an overclocked GTX 1070 almost reaches 100% CPU usage in the Benchmark alone. I'd imagine that the bottleneck would be more obvious in those titles.
It's generally accepted that A.C. is not an very much optimised franchise. That's why it will never make it on any benchmark suites, can't rely on something like that.
Ha! It’s been a while since I heard polish pronunciation of CDP. ;) nicely done and great idea for the video as well. Ironically, price of the cpu means some are more likely to pair it with high end gpu due to the price. Cpu + mobo is so much cheaper than intel that you can easily go from budgeting 2060 super to 2070 super.
Last system build was over 10 years ago using an i5 2500k overclocked to 4.6Ghz and a Nvidia 980ti. new system is running R5 3600x with 2070super and 240hz 1080p monitor. Thanks to all these benchmark videos for showing the way!
I would have rather you either challenged it against another AMD part (say, 3950X at 5GHz or smt off or something) than JUST against a high-end intel, since you had to keep saying "AMD has more GPU overhead". If the test is to show how limited a card is by a CPU, but the card is only being limited by the vendor overhead, and you're suggesting the use case is upgrading the CPU later, obviously you're probably not going to be swapping over to the other vendor and staying on the same socket. Comparing AMD to AMD or Intel to Intel would demonstrate the max potential versus the current rather than the max potential vs unobtainable potential
Thanks very much for this in-depth review. I will be upgrading to the 3300X from the i4590S w/integrated GPU :( and also my first graphics card purchase since a E6420/8800 GTS build. Pretty stoked to be playing some modern games again.
Why would anyone ever have recommended spending any more than the bare minimum of your available budget on the CPU for a gaming rig? It's been true since time immemorial that dumping every last cent you can scrounge up into your GPU was the best move for a straight-up gaming PC. And yes, that includes scenarios like and a 3300X and a 2080 Ti (or earlier instances of good enough + high-end combos), because you're still going to have a better gaming experience using that than even a single step down in GPU (2080 Super) + whatever quicker CPU you might be able to afford through this choice.
Great video thank you for doing this. I was apprehensive about doing what you called the paradigm shift, building a platform, keeping it for 5 years, and swapping out the GPU midway...I've done that for my last 4 builds. I wasn't sure until you confirmed it, but I may go for a 2070 Super and the 3300X and work my way up the AMD product stack in those 5 years. It feels so weird, the world is upside down.
Lovely review again. Whould be happy to see the same video for 3100, because the price gap might be bigger than 20$ when these cpus hit the market. R3 3300x with an 1650 super Or R3 3100 with an 1660? Thats the budget dilemma!!!
That can be answered pretty simply depending on what you're using the computer for. It's almost always better to have a worse cpu and a better gpu if the only demanding task you're doing is gaming, hence the 3100 and 1660 would be better because the cpu won't bottleneck the gpu anyway.
that was an interesting test, further i would see how the "called" high end cpu ryzen 7 3700x or 3800x outperform the 3300x with different gpu setups.... to see if you get a signifficiant benefit for a +300 euros cpu (what i personal don't think so except on the 2080 ti)
A more expensive CPU will enable you to Upgrade just your gpu in the future. I trink thats the only downside of the 3300x. Even the next midrange gpu's will probably be bottlenecked. When you put it on an b550 board tho you should be able to go for ryzen 4000 in the future, so that will be fine.
I was just having a debate with someone that claimed that CPU could never bottleneck a gaming experience (specifically high fps) and that 4 core 4 threads was enough for gaming (once again, specifically high fps, but honestly 4 core 4 thread isn't always enough for the best experiences at standard refresh anymore anyways) and still is in 2020, this definitely came out at the right time to use as evidence. Apparently nobody was crazy enough to benchmark lower end CPUs with a 2080ti (lol) so I couldn't get definitive numbers to illustrate the bottleneck, but this video does the job nicely. Thanks, great work Steve!
On a few of the benchmarks for the 2060 KO, later in the video, the label for the 8086k disappears, and it says "EVGA 2060 KO Stock" with no CPU. It's clear to most, that is the 8086k result, but I thought I'd tell ya, in case there's something you can do!
i love your videos i watch every one that you upload but to spite how educational your videos are i always come away with a headache lol trying to keep up with all the information you give out
Actually in terms of gaming the 3300x is equivalent to the 3600 in most titles. Unless you're doing other demanding tasks the 3300x makes a lot more sense.
I'm pairing my 3300x with my Founders 980 non TI that I bought off a friend 4 years ago for $150 when it arrives. At least until I can upgrade to a newer card. But really for what I play and me coming from the old school competitive FPS days (turning everything down for max fps possible), I think I can go longer without upgrading. I'm coming from a heavily OCed FX 8320 on water. Reason be is my i7 920 bit the dust back in the day and it was the cheapest solution for my needs since I needed the extra cores. TBH, while the single core performance sucks, it's done fairly well tbh. Nothing great, but ok. So I'll be seeing an over 50%+ bump from upgrading to the R3 3300x. Lol, gonna be great.
I have heard so much hype for so long about Cyberpunk that I am tired of the name. I will not buy this game unless it gets great reviews and is 50% off.
I don't know what's more important to you, watch time or likes. But just because you've explicitly labeled all the parts in the video, I give each video I watch a like
I like Total War above most other games so benchmarks relating to that series is really what drives what I look for in a PC build. I'll be holding off on upgrading though as I'm eager to see how the new CPUs and GPUs coming out this year will improve the game's performance. However, the benchmarks for it here showed one of the main reasons why I'm hesitant to take the plunge for a 4k display. I'd rather have native 1440p with the more easily attainable higher framerate it brings than try going all out for 4k 120fps in Total War which, even with the new tech releases this year, seems like a pipe dream. A reason I would not go 4k and downscale to 1440p is that some Total War games have small text which would look blurrier than if it were displayed on a monitor with 1440p native.
Thank you for what you do Gamers Nexus. You give some of the best info available. I really like how you present your benchmarks and other information. You do a really good job giving unbiased information and presenting the information in a way to let us make an informed intelligent decision on hardware. I am starting 4 builds, it has been a few years since I did one. Your information has been extremely valuable to me. Thank You!
thank you so much for these cpu bottleneck benchmarks. Don't get me wrong, I like comparing cpu vs cpu and how much time do they need to complete a test, but these here are what a gamer needs to make a good informative decision on what cpu should he pair his gpu with
I love AMD compatibility throughout Ryzen, really good for budget gamers. I had an FX 6300 system I put a $70 refurbed R9 380 in. Then last year when I wanted more CPU power, I unironically upgraded to a Ryzen 3 1200 on a GB B450m with 16GB RAM for ~$200, knowing I could sell my R3 1200 to buy a newer gen Ryzen when the prices come down, if I ever needed to, without replacing the MoBo, and that savings goes straight into buying a new GPU sooner, probably an RX 580 8GB. The R3 1200 has out prerformed my FX even though the 6300 was OC'ed to 4.2GHz and my R3 only holds 3.9GHz stable. they both worked great with the R9 380 but the fact that I am in a position to basivcally HAVE to upgrade my CPU and GPU at the same time, it's nice not to have to replace anything else.
Thanks for this benchmark, another known youtuber did a benchmark for the cpu paired with a 2080 ti and praising how great the cpu is but we can see that a budget cpu with a budget gpu not the best solution
@Gamers Nexus: I propose a graph that would make the analyses in these videos much easier (i think). Plot the scores of all tested gpus on the cpu in question (3300x) on the vertical axis, and plot the scores for the same gpus on the high end cpu (8086k) on the horizontal axis. This should give a straight diagonal line if all scales perfectly, and presumably the curve would start deviating from this line at the high end (curbing down). An offset from the perfect diagonal (passing through 0) would indicate a performance change across the board. A variant of this would be to divide the results by each other, this would give you the relative change which would be 1 if nothing changes, smaller than 1 for a reduction in performance. Probably this value would start to droop significantly for high end GPUs.
Can we please keep the 8086k@5ghz for future CPU tests? We need a high clocked 6c12t processor for future comparison. Thank you u made me verry happy seeing my cpu back the way it should be in your graphs (AT 5GHZ)
Great chip. My i7 4790k @ 4.7 is still rocking for 1440p gaming (sapphire 5700xt nitro+ gpu), but I'm considering the 3300x, 3600 or a 3700x for a mini-itx build. Put the 5700xt on it, and place my old 970gtx back to my 4790k for web development pc. This video helps a lot. Good job as always.
Why do I watch all these videos. I use my pc for zoom and for watching youtube videos and I the games I play are board games. Keep it up Steve, we love these videos.
I did exactly that last year. Bought a 2070 super and paired it with an i7 3770. The worst bottleneck I got was with Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which doubled the fps when I got a 3800x. But even GTA V, which the i7 had low usage, saw great improvements with the Ryzen. No more fps drops, which were really bad and frequent with the i7.
@GamersNexus , can you redo this specific test with new GPUs from Nvidia when those release? It's particularly informative since both the 3600 and the 3300x are value choices. 3300x is something I'm looking at buying due to value, but I was hesitant because I plan on buying the new Ampere GPU (not whatever 3080 TI is) for RTX(my goal is to write a raytracer for retro games). The simple step up would be 3600/3600X and would likely alleviate most bottleneck, but If whatever the 3060/3070 is doesn't bottlekneck w/ 3300x I'd likely save the 40 odd bucks. My goal gaming wise is definitely "good enough", but I'd like to pair nicely with my graphics cards since I'm planning on a next gen GPU.
Thanks, this is exactly what I was wanting to see. I am that high fidelity, low FPS gamer. I have a 2070 super paired with an I5 750@4GHz while I was deciding on what I wanted to do for a CPU solution. I think I've found my path. Wait for the B550, pair it with a 3300X, possibly upgrade to Zen3 when the price on that starts to come down. Also, the B550 wait also affords me the opportunity to have a peek at Intel's upcoming offerings. I was expecting this would be the case, but it's nice to have the hunch confirmed for the next phase of my computer update.
Great benchmark! Basically the question is which performance is good enough. I paired my 1600AF with an 5600 XT for my 1080p gaming rig. Super happy with it. I think both CPU and GPU offer an excellent price/performance combination.
Currently on the market we have a situation where we can consider 4,6,8 core cpus competitors in gaming. With that in mind it would be nice to see a benchmark with budget on one axis and performance on the other to better see how to maximize perf/$ in gaming. It is quite simple if we look at components separately, but may become more difficult when we consider cost of entire platform.
What I think Steve that you guys could have in mind is that most people when gaming have more things open than just the game itself, Discord and a couple chrome tabs, and even if it doesn't seem much, a few % actually might affect your experience.
Yet again, it seems that my decision to go for Ryzen 5 3600x on x570, with a used 1080 Ti will serve me well for years. I could have made do with i7-5820k and GTX 980, but I had the money for an upgrade and got a good offer... :P
Watch our AMD Ryzen 3 3300X Infinity Fabric & RAM OC benchmarks here: ruclips.net/video/WT6I9dtg9LQ/видео.html
Or, if you want to look at how the 3300X becomes limited at higher framerates, watch our R3 3300X CPU review: ruclips.net/video/NM2fFpzPKPg/видео.html
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hey, Steve, just want to say when you did video about B450, you forgot to mention that B550 would NOT support 1600 AF or 2600.
so budget builders who want Zen3 support going to be stuck with Ryzen 3 3300X option.
Asus VP28UQG 28" Monitor 4K/UHD 3840x2160 1ms DP HDMI Adaptive Sync/FreeSync Eye Care Monitor
can G-sync?
Before talking about competitive games like "Counter Strike", you should at least, test them !
Counter strike 1080p with 2080ti/3300x...... more than 400 fps avg
And so on....
So what are you talking about ?
Even counter strike pro players don't need the 9900k to play at 1080p with their 240hz monitors. None of them. It is a fact !
So please stop with your 9900k bullshit.
An amazing time for PC gaming
Wouldn't it be best to test worse case scenario therefor testing Games such as BFV, Cod etc?
"DON'T pair this with a 2080 Ti."
Gotcha. Titan RTX it is! 👌
100$ cpu 1000$ gpu
@@niloyck2540 that seems reasonable to me
@@niloyck2540 the issue is the new CPUs are coming soon, a card as powerful as a 2080 super or up is gonna be exponentially cheaper
I'm waiting for Ampere.
@@Angel7black why do you think new cpus will affect gpu prices ?!
Cudos for not butchering the name of the sponsor. Great Polish accent!
Could have done better on the ITZ DE, but I'm afraid my Polish speaking abilities are limited literally only to the name of CDPR!
His chinese pronunciation is pretty decent too, he's kinda god at this
@@GamersNexus work on the rolling "r" and you'll nail it completely! Aim for this => ruclips.net/video/MoRjRlYC8oY/видео.html
De facto only word "Projekt" may cause any difficulties to an English speaker, though still many ppl tend to mispronounce "jekt" part.
Their name is in Englinsh, so if you don't pronounce it in Polish, it's absolutely correct.
I am quite surprised how it functions combined with a 2070S though.
Damn, AMD stepped up its game. Nicely done.
@@Nighterlev yh and stuff like the R7 2700x for applications that need a higher c/t count
@@Nighterlev 1600 AF says hi
Amd stepped up their game since ryzen
5300x will handle a 3070. Alder Lake i3/Zen4 Ryzen3 a 3090+. With these IPC gains 4 cores/8 threads will be price performance sweet spot again soon.
In a sea of benchmarks comparing cpus at 1080p, this video was an absolute godsend.
Thanks to Steve and the team for showing us some high end scaling. With the increase in 4k tv and monitor adoption, this helps gauge how much cpu I need realistically for gaming on say the living room system 4k/60 before I start to throw money away.
Chris Hexx I am using a 4k/60 TV as a monitor and I agree with every word you said. Thank you Tech Jesus!
Wish someone would do everything the same except running the game on low settings
Yeah, testing "low end" parts on 4k is great, I am running a 4k Display on an ancient GPU/CPU, those tests really helps me decide on the next PC.
I agree, it was nice to see with how little money on the cpu side one could be just fine when aiming for the 4K/60fps gaming while pushing the graphics high. And after all, if the need arises for more cpu performance there is always the 3950X on the same AM4 platform to upgrade to for a more "balanced" setup.
im using r3 1300x and 1080 ti connected to my 4ktv..get better fps than conslows and better graphics...im gonna be upgrading to 3600 and 3xxx series gpu
It’s very interesting that these “budget” CPUs are viable for gaming now. Hope this continues with Zen 3
Budget cpu were always viable
The i3 7100 was also viable back then, for 1080p 60fps
They're $60 less than a 3600
Zen 3 will have IPC gains. clock speed gains and 8 cores per ccx. will be a beast for gaming
JUST MONIKA You’re absolutely right. I believe now they are a much better option without sacrificing too much performance.
Lol if Zen 2 is this good, Zen 3 will obviously be better dude
Can't wait for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 to be added to your benchmark toolset
Steve is into Bikes so how about Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2 as well 😁
@@shaneeslick downhill freestyle race me!
Tbh the PlayStation 3 emulator (rpcs3) is very cpu heavy, and could make for an interesting benchmark (problem is it gets performance updates daily)
"4k is cheap these days."
You underestimate my -power- poorness.
Sure, completely not a first world issue.
Just go work for money then get one
Who’s fault?
@@eli-ip5vt True, fuck rent
3070: hello there
I was asking for this kind of tests last time, it seems my wish has been granted.
Ask and ye shall receive for tech Jesus is merciful and his bounty has much girth
I’m loving The thumbnails recently, Steve looks like he’s having genuine fun each time 👍
Green Heart the pitchfork one on the last video killed me 🤣
Curious that he's using an esoteric symbol in his thumbnail.
$120 - Ryzen 3300X
$70 - B450M mobo
$280 - RX5600 XT
$70 - 8GBx2 GSkill 3200 Mhz DDR4 RAM
$50 - A decent 500W PSU
$40 - 256GB NVME SSD (for caching)
$70 - 3TB HDD (for storage)
$50 - Budget MATX case with some fans
That's a capable 1440p gaming rig for just $750.
You can get 3600mhz for a similar price. And, prices vary.
Issue is that there is not a single "decent" 500w psu for $50. Cheapest I'd go is a CX450/M, which is $65 at lowest. Also having a MOBO that supports 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box is beneficial. Also it seems like no cases actually include fans these days. Anyone know of a good cheap ATX case with included fans?
I would like to use rtx 2060 instead
"That's a capable 1440p gaming rig for just $750." Brazilian consumers: "watch how I can spend my entire year salary with this rig"
@@linden6352I saw EVGA 600w for $49.9 in amazon. In Asia we can find so many good atx case start from $25, and even a fan start from $5. So $50 i can get a nice case with 3 fans
It is not that outlandish when You realise that many have built their top tier system around 7700k and 1080ti.
Yeh
Ppl kinda need to chill with the, OMG didnt expect that
Perhaps that's why many of us are switching to AMD for the first time ever.
yeah like me and the setup runs real strong at 3440 ultrawide with the eye candies on
..... 4+ years ago
i mean a 2070 is pretty close to a 1080 ti anyway so it makes sense as the 3300x is pretty close to the 7700k
Thank you for the gpu bottleneck portion of this, we NEED this with all cpus, so we don't waste our money, THANK YOU!
I'm still genuinely surprised at the scaling of this CPU. I was thinking it would be MUCH larger difference. Pairing it with a entry - mid range GPU is more logical, but nevertheless even a 2080ti didn't have horrible scaling.
Gotta be one of the first times I was wrong with my expectations. Good job proving me wrong lol.
This follows the classic i7 wisdom, really. 4c8t was truly what most gamers needed, since good ST plus a little extra MT was enough to defeat most multicore games at the time, and was still able to keep up with games that could use more than 4 threads.
Since some of today's games leverage more threads (6+), CPUs like the 8086K and the 3600 are able to outpace 4c8t CPUs like the 3300X...mostly in consistency, demonstrated by games like SotTR. That doesn't mean the 3300X is going to be a bad choice, though, especially if you're targeting mainly 60fps for 1080p, 1440p, or 4K.
@@arthurbonds7200 wouldn't it make more sense to buy a 3300x with a 1650s as a first build, keep the 1650s until later this year and upgrade it with the new line and then also upgrade the cpu with zen 3 next year ?
@@dragos8839 What I think they mean is that if you're on a budget, you don't have to try spreading the money between GPU and CPU like you use to. You can buy the cheaper 3300x and put the rest of the money you would have spent for the cpu into the gpu. Even upgrading from say a 1650 to a 2060 would be a much better investment. Then later, you can upgrade the CPU. It use to be the other way around where you spent a ton on cpu and saved for a better gpu since lower end cpus tended to kill gaming experiences.
@@dashkataey1740 I got it but I'm still kind of afraid lol. I'm building a new pc in june and I want to get a r5 3600 and a 1650s but since zen 3 and the new gpus will be out in a few more months, I'm kind of afraid of wasting too much money. I guess I'll go with the r3 3300x and 1650s and save money for a new gpu at the end of the year and then upgrade to zen 3 once the r3 3300x can't keep up anymore (prolly next year) and then keep the whole build for another 2-3 years, until at least a generation or two of cpus have passed on the AM5 socket. But dunno man sounds risky, I'm afraid I won't have the money to upgrade later on. Ik it'd be better to straight up wait for zen 3 but I can't wait any longer I need a new pc asap. Any thoughts ?
@@dragos8839 I would wait until zen 3, ampere, and Big navi all come out, then weigh your options. But that's just me.
Nice pronunciation on "Projekt" good job :)
Good investment indeed.
Again... he question of "should I allocate more money to CPU or GPU?" is ended now.
Just buy R3 3300X and allocate the rest to GPU and higher clock memory
Dependent on monitor. If you're targeting 1080p144/1440p144, you'll want generally stable high framerate, even with Adaptive Sync.
Otherwise, yes, put it all in your GPU. Not even sure about higher clocked memory (since it's diminishing returns past a certain point), maybe more memory would be better.
@@arthurbonds7200 Yes there is always an exception, but we agree that we can generalize it.
I mean... we all know that more cores means more stable as in R3 3300X and R5 1600AF comparison
@@Dominus_Potatus 3300X has higher IPC and clock speed to the point where the deficit between 1600AF and 3300X doesn't exist. You'll most likely just end up with the same low performance and better high performance on the 3300X. I'd go with the 3300X any day for gaming. It's either as good or better at a slightly higher price. That, and wait a bit so you can pair it with B550 for a future upgrade to something like an 8 core Vermeer in a year or two when the extra performance is needed.
@@DirtyPoul I thought AMD changed their stance and now b450s will support Zen 3?
I'm heavily considering pairing a 3300x with a 2080 Super, then upgrading my CPU a couple years down the line if necessary. (If games are optimized for 8 zen cores in the next-gen consoles). My other potential setup was a 3700x with a 2080 S. However seeing how this $120 budget chip is competitive with the 3700x now, I figure the budget 4000 series option, and future iterations will destroy they 3700x in a couple years.
@@shineinouzen7412 I think they changed their mind after my comment, but not sure.
Either way, the B550 would still be a better option because of better and faster support for Ryzen 4000. That, and AMD has said that Ryzen 4000 will be the last for B450 and X470, so if AMD decide to refresh the lineup then it will be for only 500 series motherboards. Think 3600XT, 3700XT, 3900XT, but for Ryzen 4000. Or if they make a smaller revision with a Zen3+ release, that will not be supported on 400 series boards.
Another thing to note is that 500 series will support Ryzen 4000 at launch. 400 series will have to wait as the BIOS guys will prioritize the newer boards first. How long will 400 series have to wait for Ryzen 4000 support? Hard to say. Could be 3 months after release, could be 6 months, or it could be even longer. Not ideal for someone with a 2080 Super like budget.
I'd strongly recommend you to avoid the 2080 Super though. Find a 2070 Super on sale or a 5700XT and upgrade to RDNA 2 or Ampere this autumn. It's never ideal to buy high-end cards because of diminishing returns, but it would be even worse to do so now that we're about 3 months and a bit before the biggest generational leap in graphics that we've seen since at least Pascal 4 years ago.
I'd advise you to either wait for B550 in 2-3 weeks and buy a 3300X to go with it, or buy B450 now with a 3600 if you cannot wait. Sitting with your kind of budget on a 3300X for potentially up to a year after you upgrade to something even faster than the 2080 Super this autumn would be a mistake imo.
So, can you wait for B550?
I love your pronunciation of CD PROJEKT RED, very authentic and close to native pronunciation
How do you say the CD and Red parts? Is it the same?
@@Realblack_m0nster yes
I swear Steve uploads videos at the most random times
his timing has been Awesome for me here in Australia lately 😁
@@shaneeslick it was like 7:30am here in the UK
@@thepolticalone961
Isn't that a good thing?
A new day, a new GN-video
@@emmata98 it is but it's hard to pay attention at 7am
These thumbnails..... they are evolving.
Did master snowflake bestowed thy superior editing skill upon us?
tl;dr: a build with 3300X, 2080ti, and professional-grade 4K 60Hz monitor is perfectly viable option if you are not cpu-restricted for work.
I would never recommend a 60HZ screen in 2020. To me the jump to 100hz/144hz is way more important than jumping to 4K. Especially when the card will run older titles on that framerate. For me 100hz/144hz 3440x1440 is currently the sweet spot between productivity, gaming, movie watching and future upgradeability and price (I'd rather not upgrade my monitor every 2 years).
@@MrMartin627 These guys are talking about gaming on a work PC for image editing / office applications or something like that. High refresh rate gaming monitors aren't good for color accuracy, and if you need that for work then you're stuck with a 60 Hz monitor.
Some people on pcmr would ridicule you for that but people forget we used to pair the highest end gpus with 4 core 8 thread cpus haah
@Patrick B im still rocking r3 1300x and 1080 ti..upgraded from g4560..i play mostly rpgs so 60fps is fine by me.. I'd rather play at 4k..gonna be upgrading to 3xxx series for 4k ultra with 3600 on my tcl 65" 4ktv
well but I dont think people who can buy 2080 ti and 4k monitor cant buy better cpu (AMD has better ones as well) so they will go with something better.
I really want one of these 3300X to replace my aging Xeon X5650 server! Pretty awesome little CPU for the price, I'm impressed ;) Brand loyalty aside, thanks AMD (and Zen!) for making good CPUs more affordable these days
I hope this becomes a regular test going forward for all budget CPUs, even if it's just one or two games being tested.
This will be really helpful to any 3300x potential buyers. Max total gaming performance (if they can afford the gpu that is).
Spot on contents, indeed the tech Jesus. I just wanna thanks GN for these contents. They're covering basically everything a customer needs to know about the product (given they know what workloads they're gonna use) well done!
Damn just caught up with the previous one and now there's a new one?! Too many news and too hardworking GN
As an Australian, i appreciate that shirt
Praise to the tech jesus for the late night content
In my country its 8:30 a.m. xD
Amen. Praise be to Tech Jesus.
When do Gun Jesus and Tech Jesus get together for a video?
Tech Jesus 😆😆😆😆
Do not use his name in vain !
I really love how GN benchmarks and talks about products. It really helped me make the corect decision, with talking about the options you have and which options are better for which use case. And then showing the different price tiers in the benchmarks.
Testing some games that throw the hardware balance on their head could be interesting. CPU bound games like Stellaris and the total war series, at what point does a GPU upgrade become unnecessary. Max settings, FPS exceeds 60, etc. The metric to aim for in these games becomes turn times/time passage.
I have never seen such a great presentation of results. Thank you very much.
I think an interesting metric would be FPS/$ when upgrading each. At what point does stepping up from 3300X makes more sense than upgrading the GPU only?
That point is generally variable, but you can easily extract the info you need from the results. As you can see, all of these tests show that if you're on 1080p60, you won't need anything more than a 3300X. If you're on 1080p144, you might want either a high-clocked Intel 6-core or AMD 3600+, especially to keep the minimums as high as possible.
When you get to 1440p and higher, the load shifts mainly towards the GPU, so the impact of your CPU decreases, also shown in the tests.
@Thomas Borisov In that case almost nobody should buy anything beyond 3300X (for gaming). That's very interesting.
@@FinneousPJ1 im going with the 3700x, mostly to match next gen console as well as some productivity.
3300x : $150
3700x : $450
Maybe not worth it but i like it.
I think that comparison would favor pairing a 3300x with a 2080ti ...IF you're gaming in 1440p/high or better.
at higher resolution & higher settings, the 2080ti nets you a BIG gain over a 2070super, but you're going to be spending about $50-$100 per frame in upgrading the cpu above 3300x. The argument "people who get nice gpu's can afford fancier cpu's", presented in this video, isn't a very utilitarian take on things. I think the only reason (for those who don't use 1080p anymore) to get a better cpu than 3300x, would be forwards thinking towards upgrading the gpu later on, without having to upgrade the cpu/mobo.
@@kathrynck Yeah that's what it seems like to me as well. For a gaming system the optimum seems to be 3300X up to something like a 1800 USD budget, if 2080 Ti is 1200. If you have more to spend then sure grab a 3600 or 3700X.
Great addition to your coverage of this CPU as it makes it more obvious why reviewers are so excited about this part. This video nicely fills the gap between recommending builds for certain settings/budgets and reviews designed to measure the maximum performance of a part.
Steve is pumping out a lot of great continent lately. Looking forward to his Intel 10th gen reviews.
Is it larger than Africa? or as hot?
Really appreciate benchmarks like this that are more "real world" bottleneck testing, and not crazy CSGO300fpsIntelRulz stuff. Thanks GN!
Really interesting video. However I would have loved to see one of the Assassin's Creed titles in there. These are infamous CPU hogs. My 7700K @ 4.8 GHz combined with an overclocked GTX 1070 almost reaches 100% CPU usage in the Benchmark alone. I'd imagine that the bottleneck would be more obvious in those titles.
this
It's generally accepted that A.C. is not an very much optimised franchise.
That's why it will never make it on any benchmark suites, can't rely on something like that.
RE3 really needs 6 real cores even 4 cores with HT is a big limiter
Ha! It’s been a while since I heard polish pronunciation of CDP. ;) nicely done and great idea for the video as well. Ironically, price of the cpu means some are more likely to pair it with high end gpu due to the price. Cpu + mobo is so much cheaper than intel that you can easily go from budgeting 2060 super to 2070 super.
Gamers Nexus "Steve", Buildzoid, Igorslab are the best Hardware Reviewers.
Buildzoid would tell you he doesn't do reviews
Last system build was over 10 years ago using an i5 2500k overclocked to 4.6Ghz and a Nvidia 980ti. new system is running R5 3600x with 2070super and 240hz 1080p monitor. Thanks to all these benchmark videos for showing the way!
AKA: It basically doesn't bottleneck unless you're Mr. moneybags and if you're Mr. moneybags get a better CPU.
Now this is the information I love to get. Please do more like this in the future. Thanks.
Monter Hunter World should be on the benchmarks. It is one of the most played games today.
steve, i cant even put in words how much i love your high quality, well thought through, content! testing where it matters for most of us!
Gamers Nexus is like my daily life style, doing nerd stuff at late night.
Other then porn
Yes! I would love to see more of these kinds of video! It's so hard to find data per GPU with a specific CPU
I would have rather you either challenged it against another AMD part (say, 3950X at 5GHz or smt off or something) than JUST against a high-end intel, since you had to keep saying "AMD has more GPU overhead". If the test is to show how limited a card is by a CPU, but the card is only being limited by the vendor overhead, and you're suggesting the use case is upgrading the CPU later, obviously you're probably not going to be swapping over to the other vendor and staying on the same socket. Comparing AMD to AMD or Intel to Intel would demonstrate the max potential versus the current rather than the max potential vs unobtainable potential
That was a cool rap song. The lyrics had sense, the beat was missed though.
Great situational review, its awesome to see this method of bench. thanks mate!
If you are looking to play games strictly for eye candy, that 3300 X is a pretty tough little processor for the price.
Thanks very much for this in-depth review. I will be upgrading to the 3300X from the i4590S w/integrated GPU :( and also my first graphics card purchase since a E6420/8800 GTS build. Pretty stoked to be playing some modern games again.
Why would anyone ever have recommended spending any more than the bare minimum of your available budget on the CPU for a gaming rig? It's been true since time immemorial that dumping every last cent you can scrounge up into your GPU was the best move for a straight-up gaming PC. And yes, that includes scenarios like and a 3300X and a 2080 Ti (or earlier instances of good enough + high-end combos), because you're still going to have a better gaming experience using that than even a single step down in GPU (2080 Super) + whatever quicker CPU you might be able to afford through this choice.
If anyone was spending £1300 on a 2080TI I'm betting they could find the extra £35 to get get the R5 3600 over the 3300x
Great video thank you for doing this. I was apprehensive about doing what you called the paradigm shift, building a platform, keeping it for 5 years, and swapping out the GPU midway...I've done that for my last 4 builds. I wasn't sure until you confirmed it, but I may go for a 2070 Super and the 3300X and work my way up the AMD product stack in those 5 years. It feels so weird, the world is upside down.
this cpu will disrupt the market, my clients will be glad :D
Lovely review again.
Whould be happy to see the same video for 3100, because the price gap might be bigger than 20$ when these cpus hit the market.
R3 3300x with an 1650 super
Or
R3 3100 with an 1660?
Thats the budget dilemma!!!
That can be answered pretty simply depending on what you're using the computer for. It's almost always better to have a worse cpu and a better gpu if the only demanding task you're doing is gaming, hence the 3100 and 1660 would be better because the cpu won't bottleneck the gpu anyway.
that was an interesting test, further i would see how the "called" high end cpu ryzen 7 3700x or 3800x outperform the 3300x with different gpu setups.... to see if you get a signifficiant benefit for a +300 euros cpu (what i personal don't think so except on the 2080 ti)
The higher end ryzen probably is about 15-20% better on average but they generaly has much better 1% and 01% lows
A more expensive CPU will enable you to Upgrade just your gpu in the future. I trink thats the only downside of the 3300x. Even the next midrange gpu's will probably be bottlenecked.
When you put it on an b550 board tho you should be able to go for ryzen 4000 in the future, so that will be fine.
@@Luke-tb3lx Userbenchmark is a joke, don't use them
I was just having a debate with someone that claimed that CPU could never bottleneck a gaming experience (specifically high fps) and that 4 core 4 threads was enough for gaming (once again, specifically high fps, but honestly 4 core 4 thread isn't always enough for the best experiences at standard refresh anymore anyways) and still is in 2020, this definitely came out at the right time to use as evidence. Apparently nobody was crazy enough to benchmark lower end CPUs with a 2080ti (lol) so I couldn't get definitive numbers to illustrate the bottleneck, but this video does the job nicely. Thanks, great work Steve!
AMD: Can’t be defeated by intel
AMD: Then i’ll do it myself
F to pay respects
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a bit dramatic huh
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This is the content I'm subscribed for. Excellent methodology to produce relevant applicable results with clear take away perspectives.
You watch these benchmarks and then remember that this is a $120 CPU and when you do remember that it's kinda mind blowing.
Tnx for the thumbnail, never stopped to think why it was called bottleneck
AGP
I'm still running a Cirrus Logic vesa local bus card, you insensitive clod! :p
On a few of the benchmarks for the 2060 KO, later in the video, the label for the 8086k disappears, and it says "EVGA 2060 KO Stock" with no CPU. It's clear to most, that is the 8086k result, but I thought I'd tell ya, in case there's something you can do!
300 FPS in CSGO not good enough for competitive players?
Guess not, since apparently 360hz monitors still hold some value to them.
@Mick Salo There's a monitor that can display 360hz.
300fps is now no longer the maximum, 400fps is the limit in csgo now.
i love your videos i watch every one that you upload but to spite how educational your videos are i always come away with a headache lol trying to keep up with all the information you give out
I've seen the 3600 as low as $159.99 at Micro Center. No reason to get a 3300X for $119.99.
Actually in terms of gaming the 3300x is equivalent to the 3600 in most titles. Unless you're doing other demanding tasks the 3300x makes a lot more sense.
I'm pairing my 3300x with my Founders 980 non TI that I bought off a friend 4 years ago for $150 when it arrives. At least until I can upgrade to a newer card. But really for what I play and me coming from the old school competitive FPS days (turning everything down for max fps possible), I think I can go longer without upgrading. I'm coming from a heavily OCed FX 8320 on water. Reason be is my i7 920 bit the dust back in the day and it was the cheapest solution for my needs since I needed the extra cores. TBH, while the single core performance sucks, it's done fairly well tbh. Nothing great, but ok. So I'll be seeing an over 50%+ bump from upgrading to the R3 3300x. Lol, gonna be great.
Can we call 3300X a Zen 2+ CPU, now? It really exceeds my expectation
I think the PC case modding contest is REALLY COOL Cyberpunk 2077 HYPE.
I have heard so much hype for so long about Cyberpunk that I am tired of the name. I will not buy this game unless it gets great reviews and is 50% off.
Love the work, still no one compares to the accuracy and honesty of this channel.
My favorite studio sponsoring videos for my favorite tech channel. Despite the human malware situation I just might be living in the best timeline.
I don't know what's more important to you, watch time or likes. But just because you've explicitly labeled all the parts in the video, I give each video I watch a like
I like Total War above most other games so benchmarks relating to that series is really what drives what I look for in a PC build. I'll be holding off on upgrading though as I'm eager to see how the new CPUs and GPUs coming out this year will improve the game's performance.
However, the benchmarks for it here showed one of the main reasons why I'm hesitant to take the plunge for a 4k display. I'd rather have native 1440p with the more easily attainable higher framerate it brings than try going all out for 4k 120fps in Total War which, even with the new tech releases this year, seems like a pipe dream. A reason I would not go 4k and downscale to 1440p is that some Total War games have small text which would look blurrier than if it were displayed on a monitor with 1440p native.
Thank you for what you do Gamers Nexus. You give some of the best info available. I really like how you present your benchmarks and other information. You do a really good job giving unbiased information and presenting the information in a way to let us make an informed intelligent decision on hardware. I am starting 4 builds, it has been a few years since I did one. Your information has been extremely valuable to me. Thank You!
thank you so much for these cpu bottleneck benchmarks. Don't get me wrong, I like comparing cpu vs cpu and how much time do they need to complete a test, but these here are what a gamer needs to make a good informative decision on what cpu should he pair his gpu with
I love AMD compatibility throughout Ryzen, really good for budget gamers. I had an FX 6300 system I put a $70 refurbed R9 380 in. Then last year when I wanted more CPU power, I unironically upgraded to a Ryzen 3 1200 on a GB B450m with 16GB RAM for ~$200, knowing I could sell my R3 1200 to buy a newer gen Ryzen when the prices come down, if I ever needed to, without replacing the MoBo, and that savings goes straight into buying a new GPU sooner, probably an RX 580 8GB. The R3 1200 has out prerformed my FX even though the 6300 was OC'ed to 4.2GHz and my R3 only holds 3.9GHz stable. they both worked great with the R9 380 but the fact that I am in a position to basivcally HAVE to upgrade my CPU and GPU at the same time, it's nice not to have to replace anything else.
Great content, one of the channels that post quality and informative videos consistently! The R3 3300X has immense value for a budget builder.
Lovely content! I would love a similar analysis for the R5 3600 and definetly a "minimum CPU" analysis once the new GPUs arrive :)
Thanks for this benchmark, another known youtuber did a benchmark for the cpu paired with a 2080 ti and praising how great the cpu is but we can see that a budget cpu with a budget gpu not the best solution
PERFECT vid right now that im gravitating to the 3300x from the 3600 and 9400f right now :)
I was going to sleep until Tech Jesus uploaded another video
This is exactly what I was wondering about and Steve delivers.
tech jesus with that late night upload
This answered all my questions since I'm still running an i7 7700 so just going to upgrade GPU for now. Thanks
@Gamers Nexus: I propose a graph that would make the analyses in these videos much easier (i think). Plot the scores of all tested gpus on the cpu in question (3300x) on the vertical axis, and plot the scores for the same gpus on the high end cpu (8086k) on the horizontal axis. This should give a straight diagonal line if all scales perfectly, and presumably the curve would start deviating from this line at the high end (curbing down). An offset from the perfect diagonal (passing through 0) would indicate a performance change across the board.
A variant of this would be to divide the results by each other, this would give you the relative change which would be 1 if nothing changes, smaller than 1 for a reduction in performance. Probably this value would start to droop significantly for high end GPUs.
Can we please keep the 8086k@5ghz for future CPU tests? We need a high clocked 6c12t processor for future comparison. Thank you u made me verry happy seeing my cpu back the way it should be in your graphs (AT 5GHZ)
this content is what i was searching! sweet spot for cpu and gpu.
Thanks Steve great info today the little 3300X is a 770K in performance so not surprising.
Great chip. My i7 4790k @ 4.7 is still rocking for 1440p gaming (sapphire 5700xt nitro+ gpu), but I'm considering the 3300x, 3600 or a 3700x for a mini-itx build. Put the 5700xt on it, and place my old 970gtx back to my 4790k for web development pc. This video helps a lot. Good job as always.
Why do I watch all these videos. I use my pc for zoom and for watching youtube videos and I the games I play are board games. Keep it up Steve, we love these videos.
I did exactly that last year. Bought a 2070 super and paired it with an i7 3770.
The worst bottleneck I got was with Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which doubled the fps when I got a 3800x.
But even GTA V, which the i7 had low usage, saw great improvements with the Ryzen. No more fps drops, which were really bad and frequent with the i7.
An "older" GTX1080 or GTX1080Ti would make even more sense. Too bad you didn't test it.
@GamersNexus , can you redo this specific test with new GPUs from Nvidia when those release? It's particularly informative since both the 3600 and the 3300x are value choices. 3300x is something I'm looking at buying due to value, but I was hesitant because I plan on buying the new Ampere GPU (not whatever 3080 TI is) for RTX(my goal is to write a raytracer for retro games). The simple step up would be 3600/3600X and would likely alleviate most bottleneck, but If whatever the 3060/3070 is doesn't bottlekneck w/ 3300x I'd likely save the 40 odd bucks. My goal gaming wise is definitely "good enough", but I'd like to pair nicely with my graphics cards since I'm planning on a next gen GPU.
i like the change of the time bar
Thanks, this is exactly what I was wanting to see. I am that high fidelity, low FPS gamer.
I have a 2070 super paired with an I5 750@4GHz while I was deciding on what I wanted to do for a CPU solution. I think I've found my path. Wait for the B550, pair it with a 3300X, possibly upgrade to Zen3 when the price on that starts to come down. Also, the B550 wait also affords me the opportunity to have a peek at Intel's upcoming offerings.
I was expecting this would be the case, but it's nice to have the hunch confirmed for the next phase of my computer update.
Great benchmark! Basically the question is which performance is good enough. I paired my 1600AF with an 5600 XT for my 1080p gaming rig. Super happy with it. I think both CPU and GPU offer an excellent price/performance combination.
Currently on the market we have a situation where we can consider 4,6,8 core cpus competitors in gaming. With that in mind it would be nice to see a benchmark with budget on one axis and performance on the other to better see how to maximize perf/$ in gaming. It is quite simple if we look at components separately, but may become more difficult when we consider cost of entire platform.
What I think Steve that you guys could have in mind is that most people when gaming have more things open than just the game itself, Discord and a couple chrome tabs, and even if it doesn't seem much, a few % actually might affect your experience.
Great content man -
That could be a series ... checking different CPUs for their limits..it would be awesome
Yet again, it seems that my decision to go for Ryzen 5 3600x on x570, with a used 1080 Ti will serve me well for years.
I could have made do with i7-5820k and GTX 980, but I had the money for an upgrade and got a good offer... :P
I thought i was the only one with this setup. I’ll probably get a 3070 and call it ok for some years
Great video. How about include ultrawide?