Is there any truth in this post? ruclips.net/user/postUgzlgvm_pK-u2-8AnAN4AaABCQ here is translation "Another very interesting piece of information about the new processors appeared today, when the meaning of two different steppings on the Comet-Lake LGA1200 models, reported by the CPU-Z, was revealed: Namely, the new Intel 10Gen chips will come in Q0 and G1 versions, but the version you get will be a total lottery. Q0 is the one that Intel pushed into the reviews - so thicker IHS, soldered to the processor (STIM) ... however the G1 version is still a bit worse - thinner IHS with thermal paste between it and the processor. You can see the only way of recognition in the picture below, but you can see it only after buying and taking it out of the box. If you want to return the CPU and are looking for others - tough luck - our stores do not allow it. In translation - Q0 is good - lower temperature - better boost G1 is worse - higher temperatures, less likely to achieve higher boost clocks "
@@kromkromic2458 interesting post... i would be really worried if it's true. but i think it's probably not. k cpus are the only ones to have the thick ihs and non k does not, i think that if anything it was a binning mistake somehow
Watch this become a 3 part series if XT cpus launch, then Zen 3, Intel should have some follow up. The $ spent pre Ampere becomes a different curve to measure what is acceptable and what is a bottleneck. Console ports going forward throw their own twist. F it all, just enjoy what you have right now.
Consumers shouldn't have this "loyalty" towards a company, they don't give a damn about you or your loyalty. Always go for what the best is at the moment.
@@trcs3079 Exactly. Loyalty is something brands should show consumers, not the other way around. We pay THEM and it's their job to ensure we have reason to keep doing so. It seems there are many consumers who have brand loyalty rather than doing a decent amount of research and thinking for themselves.
Try to say anything good about intel on linus's discord server and the amd fan boys immediately try to put you down for buying something other than amd 👌
@@hauvrichunter2488 Doesn't stop Intel being evil and I own Intel as they used to do a decent job and not upgraded for years. Don't need to be anyone's fanboy to justify being critical where it's due.
@@Encorey- eh, i think the reviews are based on the 9th gen cpus like how the 10700k is just a 9900k which is why it was disappointing. I bought a 3700x but was disappointed because of the clock speeds and temps, was 50c idle and only 1.2 volts and was constantly at 4ghz only, so I refunded it and got the i7. I'm not going to lie, people keep on shitting on intel for being on 14nm for so long, but it's impressive that they're keeping up with AMD at half the transistor size. I can't wait until intel gets to 7nm or lower, it'll be amazing :D
@@lokep0012 Completely agree, if you are a gamer, and care mostly about FPS stay with Intel CPU - very easy choice, if you are video editing on top only then makes sense to switch to AMD. Or certain budget/value considerations might as well play a role. I agree once we see Intel architecture on 7nm and below it will be a sight to behold! #FutureIntel
I couldn't thank you guys enough for the amazing content. You helped me get the best bang for my buck on my PC. Now I need to get that mouse pad ASAP. Keep up the awesome content GN!
@@GamersNexus ryzen 7 3700x, Sapphire 5700xt, Coolermaster H500, MSI X570 (am gonna tamper with OC sooner or later), 16g 3600 RAM, 1TB NVME and a 2TB HDD. Plan on doing photo editing and video editing eventually. Right now it is a beefed up Gaming rig lol.
@@Benziemane Great setup you have there. I do love my Red Devil 5700XT but there is some weird issue where the screen goes constant flashing black and normal while I tried to use free sync or undervolt.
Hit the nail on the head - The market is way more complex now. I had been sitting on a 6600K and GTX 1070 build for the last few years. Seemed like a ton of other people are in the same boat as me. The sheer volume of CPU models and GPU models that have come out since my build and the fact that AMD is now the market leader for CPUs made me feel super out of the loop. Also, kudos on how much you guys have grown over the years. Last time we chatted I was helping out with PR for a funky and really niche thermoelectric cooler (HEX 2.0) back in 2016. You've grown a ton since then!
There should be a lot of good stuff coming out this later year with motherboards getting USB 4 (which includes Thunderbolt). Looking forward to see how Zen 3 and Ice Lake compare.
I don't think Intel will ever release a desktop Ice Lake CPU. I'm hopeful that within the next two years they'll finally release a polished and profitable 10nm node desktop CPU with _genuinely_ _substantial_ improvements to IPC, frequency, transistor counts, and thermals versus their "ancient" 14nm desktop CPU node. I think the earliest Intel will release a true 10nm desktop CPU with large core counts will be "Alder Lake" (according to some rumors), but more likely it will be Intel's 7nm-10nm Meteor Lake node that will finally bring a true successor to their 14nm node.
I decided to upgrade at the worst time EVER to build a new computer. There is so much new tech out and ZERO availability. Got everything together (besides CPU and GPU) and assumed that AMD would have CPUs available late November/ early December and that with their GPU launch the GPU market would be flooded. Boy was I wrong, I underestimated the increase of demand and how limited AMDs supply was because of the PS5, Xbox, and GPU launches. (Besides scalped %150-%300 price increases) For the last month and a half I cant find a CPU (5000 series) or GPU (30 Nvidia or 6000 Radeon). So, I need to find a CPU (pre AMD 5000 series) because of the current lack of stock/scalping issues. If you're looking for cheap last gen parts on Ebay or Craigslist, this video is a great guide. Exactly the information I was looking to find. For now I'm just looking for something to allow me to finish the build and upgrade to 5000 series later. 3300x or 3600x, depending on price as a cheap stop gap until I can finally get my hands on a MSRP 5000 series CPU.
hello gamer nexus , can i make a suggestion. As an artist render times are important but whats much more important, is how the cpus perform inside the program , means how fast can they calculate cloth, how do they handle heavy meshes , complicated rigs or lots of objects , some stuff seems like it will be single core speed bound for the next few years at least(and some forever) , so benchmarking for "work-performance" would be a nice addition , in blender, maya, c4d that would be cloth and the otehr stuff i said in photoshop, clipstudio, krita , it would be high res graphics with huge brushes , many layers ect. in aftereffects, resolve, it would be effects and comping of layers , both in hd and 4k
Not surprised the R5 3600 hit best overall. Very happy with mine and it is performing quite well in my new setup. For the performance and price it just can’t be beaten.
Great vid. Love that you guys put timestamps on things. Not enough channels do that. 1 thing - at 13:40 I think you highlight the wrong CPU. 3900x when you are referencing the 3950x.
I got a 9900k (through a deal) like a month before the 10-series dropped, so this isn't relevant to me in particular. Highly informative in a concise fashion though! (Also, dat new youtube segmented timeline is pretty sweet)
"Best CPU for disappointment" That's how the title can be read, and technically, you're not wrong. If you're looking to be disappointed, get the last one.
Gamers Nexus 2 things 1. So the best 2020 gaming CPU is a better thermaled 8700k? If people got those in 2017 or 2018, that chip will continue to last a long time to come. Not quite on the 2600k/3770k level of longevity but will last throughout the lifespan of the upcoming ps5/xbox console. 2. I personally think you're too hard on the 10700k. Isn't it basically what a 9900k should've been at a cheaper price? You should revisit the chips viability when the H and B motherboards come out. Not everyone who gets that chip will be on a z490.
My rule of the thumb is: find the best CPU that suits your needs now, and buy the one immediately above it for longevity. So right now the best CPU for me is a Ryzen 3600X, I ended up buying the 3700X back in March for 280€ and couldn't be happier.
You can pick up a 3600 up for as little as £145 with a voucher in the UK now, the cheapest i can find a 10600k is £279.98 also in the UK. For the money i save building an AMD system over a comparable (All Round) INTEL system, i can buy myself a second 4k monitor, and i think that's the way most people look at stuff nowadays, there's so much more to computing than frame rate.
(Before watching) If you guys don’t look at the 3700x deeper in this video... I swear! I will start spamming! (After watching) Dooooooods The 3700x hangs with 500$+ CPU’s using nearly half the power... For 30-50$ more than 3600 It destroys the 3600, it keeps up with 3900x easily. No overclocking needed either, just a little tuning of PBO set to 1.35v and it boosts to 4.4-4.6 easy. I get low 5000’s in cinebench.r20. Manual over lock has some DECENT headroom as well. I may have gotten a little lucky in lottery but this processor is GREATLY under valued and needs some love from you guys! It did not deserve the glance over you gave it in original review video!
I think the best of the best should have the "best slot". I'm tired of hearing the phrase reasonable settings, when we are talking about what should be the top dog.
After watching all this.. I'm still going with a 3900X. Right fit for me. I already have a Crosshair VI Hero and will just drop it in. It may not have won any categories here, but for every use case there's a right fit. Anyone who has anything else made in the last few years is fine.
Regarding the i5 10600k and ryzen 5 3600. You're forgetting that the AMD side has many more upgrade paths down the road with x570. Ex: ryzen 7 or 9 3rd gen or any of the 4th gen. As well as it costing less.
I think both these companies are in an interesting place right now. I actually just received the 10700k in the mail and am really excited about it. I was going to order a 3900x for the price to performance, but the x570 motherboards are all out of stock or over priced compared to what they are supposed to be. If this non-availability causes more permanent increased prices for AMD, would you recommend them at that price point over Intel?
Steve, what do you think is a good MoBo for the 2920x Ryzen Threadripper. I’m big on Video and Graphics, as well as office applications... not so much a gamer. I was thinking 1660 Super for Graphics? Haven’t rebuilt for a long time (Currently running a Q6600!) but I feel the need to build something more powerful and interesting... Your thoughts are appreciated, sir). Love Gigabyte and Asrock. But ASUS isn’t completely out of the question.
Looking for recommendations for 1080p 144hz gaming. Like to build everything with monitor and keyboard/mouse for around $1300-$1500 including a cheap desk. Recommendations? Really only play modern warfare.
My 7700k has been overheating, I am pulling my loop apart this weekend and hope that the chip is not damaged, last time I buy a Monoblock, I think the weight created air gap I HOPE. Otherwise is 10series time! Sound like a i9k is the big dog right now for high FPS 240 hrtz and matching FPS, time to push that 1080ti to the limit while I wait for the 3k series.
Obviously this is a Gaming oriented channel but I do wish someone would do a similar recommendation for specifically for Video Editing..any recommendations for channels that might do this for video editing. Thanks.
@@capalottaway4932 pausing still does not change or affect the fact that since some of the benchmarks are 4 sec long, the bars don't help as much as op said(eg they are not the most genius genius thing ever, infact I'm sure many like yourself think otherwise since you talk about pausing which is irrelevant). Thankyou for your input though
You will be surprised how many people skip the benchmark lists or the benchmark comparison. Most of benchmark technical data is skipped by regular viewers. The 10% of people that want to see the benchmarks are technically familiar, the rest 90% just want to know the end result. Cheers
Whilst I'm pleased R5 3600 is still best overall, even if it had fallen behind Intel I'd have still bought it. Can't buy Intel after their decade of price fixing and lack of development due to having a monopoly.
The graphics card is going to be a tough choice so far because there isn't exactly a terrible pick at the moment. Maybe the 5700 non-XT is probably the worst value since the 5600XT gets within stone's throw a performance for cheaper. That's also parts from last year. But after all we're only halfway through this year.
@@TheNiteNinja19 I dunno. The 5700 holds more value than the 5600XT. The latter is pushed to the limit and can't be overclocked. It's a good GPU, but in my country the price of the 5600XT and 5700 is so close that I dont see the meaning in purchasing the former over the latter. Going around and collecting benchmark data from the more reliable sources and calculating cost/frame lead me to conclude that a 5700 priced at €380 has the same value as a €330 5600XT. However, you can BIOS flash the 5700 to give it another small boost in performance. AMD's biggest disappointment comes the form of the 5500XT. It's just overpriced and totally not worth it. The 1650Super is a far more sensible option. Not to mention the weird gimping it has when comparing 4gb to 8gb, or PCIe3 to PCIe4.
@@captainfatbat9557 10400 is good as its a lot cheaper, but the 10600k can be OC'ed meaning for a more premium system its the better pickup, but for more of a budget the 10400 and 10500s are really good 6 core intel picks still
Best Gaming - i5 10600K, matches the i9 10900K to provide highest frames possible but requires expensive Z490 motherboard and a beefy cooler Best Budget Gaming - R3 3300X, Unbeatable value in terms of its price and gaming performance Best Overall - R5 3600, for 170$ US offers best balance between gaming, multi-tasking\productivity and price Best Small Business - R9 3950X, Strong production capabilities without going into HEDT platform, great gaming performance as well Best Workstation - Threadripper 3990X, Best Possible productivity, suitable for studios\professionals
Can someone explain why "small business" needs to be anyi but the cheapest cpu out there? What small business needs anything but word processing and internet browsing?
@@matrixist Hey matrixist, when we say "small business" we are not talking about a generic business computer for regular work. we are talking about a business that revolves around compute so things like 3D artists, content creators, animators or software development businesses.
@@codethis2875 That not a small business.. Usually Small Business are like one who run office, excel. 3D/Animation goes for Creator Content and that not a small business... Usually cheapest i3 or cheapest amd 2400g is good for small business that almost run on msoffice.. but overall ryzen 3600 is the best among them. Cant wait for ryzen 7 4700g when it come out with DDR4 4200mhz Smallest ITX build that support nvme.
not on the list, but still costs less than the 10600k all in. unsure why people keep comparing the sub $300 3600+b450 to the $500+ 10600k+z490. The 3800x is the 10600k's closest match price wise, though a 3900x isn't much more expensive all in on CPU, Cooler, and Mother board.
I suppose you could say that 60% of games are optimized for a single thread if you count all of the games for like dos, Windows 98 and Commodore 64 lol.
Haha! Indeed...and we must also mention the "pc junior" and the have "Exodus" (still a good cover for art even today.) Many Many cpu's ago... And then there was GN and all techies and non-techies rejoiced at the TRUTH of Gamers Nexus. Ps- my wife is an ELF PRINCESS!
*There is no one on RUclips in the PC tech space more deserving of success and a huge following than GamersNexus.* I've been watching Steve and the crew for years. I used to wonder how they didn't have more subs! And now I'm so happy to see that they aren't only still around, but continue to grow! This is the best channel to get your PC tech news and detailed spec info!
i posted a comment about that, being the worst die from a 10900 means 4 disabled cores, and deppending on wich cores are the ones disabled, it means different perfomances across all 10600k due to the latency variation, i wouldnt put 10600k as the best for gaming...
@@axiom4694 Heh. Well that would be the 10900K of course. The benchmarks are in the video. You could make a compelling case for the 9900K, though. But the differences are so minor that, say in my case with a 9700K, I'm gonna just hold off until I see some kind of substantial leap. I'd like to be able to say that AMD will finally take advantage of Intel's obvious problems and deliver a legitimately good gaming CPU, but I don't have a track record I can point to as a confidence builder.
@@Asterra2 but the price difference is quite substantial. when talking about strictly gaming performance, with the minor gains in fps is it really worth? Or is price out of the equation?
can i ask why you recommend the athlon 3000g for 60$ when the i3 9100f is 14$ more and is about twice as fast in games... trades blows with the 3100 ruclips.net/video/AjRXGnzUewI/видео.html sure the athlon is on the current socket for AMD but i mean the lga 1151 series 300 still goes all the way upto the i9 9900kf being beat by the 10 series now sure.. but not by much at all, like you've said yoursef. it's just a refresh. those cpu's are still good and i can imagine they will hold up decently in the futrure they''ll probably be rather cheap in the future . by the time you need to upgrade past the i3 9100f to keep above 60fps probably get one for around 200$ or so. i agree with you that the 3300x is honestly the best budget cpu, for 120 msrp nothing comes close to the value tho if you can't reach that 120$ 74$ for the i3 9100f for on par performance in games to the 3100. plus, the i3 9100f cheapest mobo is the h310 pro vdh for 50$ (i know about it's lack of IO lanes. but come on, it doesn't matter for someone building an ultra budget gaming pc, they will have a mouse, keyboard, maybe a charger cord for their controller and at max, a usb stick also plugged in,then of course whatever gpu they pick, they aren't going to need the pci or extra pcie slots.) compared to the 3100 cheapest mobo that is 80$, so you add the extra 30$ that the 3100 costs and the 20-30$ extra the mobo costs, and at that point just throw in another 20$ and get yourself the 3300x. you know what i mean? i don't get the pricing of the 3100. they should have priced it the same as the i3 9100f to really stick it to intel.
@ Are you really an intel fanboy or did you invest in an intel processor and subconsciously feel the need to defend your purchase. Reason I ask is because AMD is morally the better company without a doubt and AMD is set to take the overall performance lead in all areas with the 4000 series so all things considered why the fuck would you publicly support intel? You realize they took every opportunity to rip people off in the last 5-10 years right?
Talk facts? Then ok, how about ryzen 4000 mobile CPUs beating even intel desktop cpus in speed AND keeping lower wattage. So basically intel is for peasants if u getting a laptop. BUT AMD prices are still cheaper, so no brainer. Keep being bitter. I would be too if I spent thousands on a company that is getting inferior everyday. Always a new article with faster and cheaper amd products. I dont blame you haha
@ ruclips.net/video/ZYqG31V4qtA/видео.html Here is Linus showing his benchmark core i9 in single threaded performance. Even real benchmarks in games, not just blenders. Intel cant compete in anything at all in mobile now. And it beat intel in single thread performance using like 40w less power too. Haha just type zephyrs g14 and every other youtuber benchmark will show single thread beating Intel. Your so pathetic you willing to lie out of your ass just to defend your stupid argument.
Not at all.... being the r5 3600x is the best price to performance cpu right now, the r7 3700x better ready you for the future or multi tasking. Since the zen3 cpu will be am4 socket, you won't need to upgrade but the next the zen4 and after will probably require a different socket meaning new motherboard, so you'll be able to hold off hopefully to zen 5 or 6 before needing to upgrade. I as well went 3700x because I actually asked for the r5 3600x but the idiot at the store brought out an r7 3700x and sold it to me for the same price.
I love my 3700x. I bought it for 4K @ 60FPS gaming. Then I got into video encoding and wish I had got the 3900x, but 3700x is a GREAT all around CPU considering it has 4 more threads than the 3600x while still maintaining 65W TDP. But his only focus is gaming, so that's why he's not valuing the extra cores. It's also worth noting that the 3700x comes with the better Wraith Prism cooler, and not the 3600x Wraith Spire cooler. That's value add. So no, you didn't make the wrong choice.
I agree with i5-10600K which is the best gaming cpu, by watching your review and Jayztwocents, but the main problem is that combining i5-10600K with cheapest motherboard (+ cpu cooler) will cost me double more than combining R5 3600 and motherboard, i'm talking about European market, obviously.
And don't forget that the PS5 and Xbox only have 8 core CPUs. No one is going to take advantage of these exotic threadripper CPUs for at least one more console generation, so AMD's main gaming advantage is basically null for the next 10 years.
@@valentinvas6454 Do the SSD man. get a NVME 3.5 GBps or higher one. it will matter more than we expect in the near future considering the new consoles NVME SSD speeds. I think there is a good chance that we will see games that will require high bandwidth storage in the next couple years maybe more but it will happen before that CPU becomes outdated imo.
Eh, I have $1500 for a build and I would rather wait, parts are scarce thanks to Human Malware, prices are jacked up, and even the used market is FUBAR right now.
@@TheEchelon1619 Good point. Perhaps by the time I've saved up, things will calm back down.. or we'll hit another wave and things will go so sideways that trying to build will become a moot point. I hope it's the former.
@dan what did you upgrade to I have a 2600k it's 10 years old my rig and I was looking into a 2600x as I would like to invest in a decent Gpu as well. I only need the CPU, Board and Ram as my storage case and PSU I will be re using
A little guidance please, I want to play games and stream off 1 pc which would be better for me i5-10600k or Ryzen 5 3600 (I have a 1660super for reference)
TL:DW Best Best Gaming CPU Overall: Intel Core i5 10600K Best Budget Gaming CPU: Ryzen 3 3300X Best Overall CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (yeah boi) Best Small Business & Hobbyist Production CPU: Ryzen 9 3950X Best High-End Workstation CPU: Ryzen Threadripper 3990X Most Fun CPU to Overclock: Intel Core i9 10900K Biggest Disappointment: Intel Core i7 10700K But you know what, watch it. You'll always learn something from Tech Jesus 🙏
All things considered, 2020 disappointment PC is going to be... Decent this year? Looking at what, i7-10700k, 5600XT Red Dragon, Corsair 500 air cooler, Silverstone R1 case? Definitely not pretty but better than previous years
Rocking the 3900x for gaming/streaming. You should cover this segment as well as it’s very popular and there is a lot of chat about which CPU + Nvidia GPU handles this best in terms of costs.
I'm using a 9900k and 2070 super with nvenc for streaming..I was going to build a 3700x dedicated stream pc but everything is over priced and out of stock right now
toasty TV I know the pain. I’m rocking a 2070 Super and the quality of my stream on twitch is outstanding. Can’t wait for the 3-series to boost the frames at 1440p.
My first PC was a 2500k and Amd 7970. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3600 and a 5700 for $290(at Best Buy, lol) ...I just looked and I can't find a 10600k for sale anywhere. And the 3600 is $167 on Amazon. It's no contest, you can't be the best cpu if you can't buy it. So for now it's no contest until there is competition
bro the 7970 was such a good card. I wish I hadn't had to sell it for food in bad times. it'd go great in a secondary pc or streaming pc for stream delivery. this is common for hardware releases btw, you cant expect full availability even if we should expect it reasonably as consumers. once they are available impulse enthusiast buyers will get them first, then enthusiasts, then the savvy gamers, then the braindead upgraders, then everyone else
Worth keeping in mind that that 3600 also runs just fine on a nice, $120, b450 board and the cooler in the box is nothing fancy, but it's good enough. On the other hand, a 10600k if you could buy one, goes for about $280 and you still need to stick a cooler on it, say $50, and the cheapest z490 boards worth buying go for about $200. so that 10600k all in is around $530 compared to the 3600's $290. Or for about $550 you could get in to a 3900x.
minganator Do you know there is a pandemic out there and people are dying? Do you know people are out of work? Do you know factories were closed for at least 2 months? Do you expect shelves to be overflowing with computer components? Just think about that! Having CPUs on the shelf means nothing if you can't buy a motherboard to install it on.
@@felicityc , Yeah man, I loved my 7970! First card to be able to do 3 monitor Eyefinity without needing Crossfire or SLI, I used to run BF3 and Skyrim on high settings across 3 1080p monitors with ease! The 2500k and 7970 are still going strong too. I just gave away the parts to my best friend because his son needed a PC for home schooling due to the human malware. $200 bucks worth of Case, PS, 2tb hdd, cheap mouse and kb, and an my old intel 510, 120 gb ssd, got him a great starter pc to do homework on and still good 1080p gaming performance! He's 11 and he's loving his first gaming pc, so it's totally worth it to help him out! Also, I know that when new hardware releases that there will be a run on that product... And I agree that Intel shouldn't hold back product available for sale just to stock up before a release, but if you're promoting your product by giving it away to content creators to test and review, and I can't then go by one after watching the video, it means there is no choice and at this price point I have to buy AMD, or a pre-built from an oem, which has a added cost for them to build their product. This is good if I'm in the market for a pre-built, but not if I'm wanting to build my own.
The demand for the 10600k was so high that I found a 10700k for roughly the same price... And considering 8/16 is the same as next gen console, I figured it would be "future proof" for gaming. So far i'm really happy with it... I get that the 10600k is better for value but that's assuming you could find one at the listed price.
None of these reviews focus on energy consumption though. Not even mentioned? The 3600 uses, from my research, about 1/3 less power than a 10600k. its not a big amount but it will add up over time.
That performance difference between the 3300X and 3600 in gaming makes me really excited for when AMD goes for 1 CCX per chiplet CPUs. If ZEN3 combines that with their (most likely) higher clocks, single CCX through unified L3 and other generational improvements, it could be the king all across the board.
I'm also quite excited, but I don't expect the move from 2 x 4-core CCX per CCD to 1 x 8-core and minor clock speed / IPC improvements being enough to overtake Intel on the gaming side of things, although I think you'll see the average 10-15% better stock FPS of Intel vs AMD drop to maybe 5%. Intel still, even on their 14nm++++++++++++++++ architecture, has some PCIe efficiencies that AMD won't be able to tackle until AM5, as I believe they're AM4 / chipset related. If RTX 3000 is released and PCIe Gen4 x16 actually provides any meaningful increase (can be utilized) over the same cards in PCIe Gen3 x16 slots, AMD will almost certainly pull ahead, even with the existing efficiencies until Intel has PCIe Gen4 on Z490. To be fair, Intel may have to adopt something similar to AMD's MCM soon to compete with AMD core counts on mainstream socket processors, which will leave Intel trying to solve similar problems that Zen has been grappling with.
@@racerex340 Have you seen PCIE bus usage when gaming? it's negligible.. like on PCIE 3.0 x16 even the biggest titles may use it at 5 or 6% tops. You could downgrade to 8x and see no changes in gaming performances (i lost like 100 points on 3DMark testing from x16 to x8 which is nothing). that bandwidth in itself is not a limiting factor in gaming performance at all. Latencies, that's another issue.
@@usoppbarbosa981 I had to move my gpu down to an x8 pcie slot for clearence on a nh-d15 heatsink and I don't think I've lost a single fps in any games I play.
@@usoppbarbosa981 on most titles, the difference between PCIe gen 3 x8 and x16 is just a few FPS, although a few titles like ACO and Wolfenstein 2 showed nearly 10-13%, hellblade nearly 15% improvement going x16. Regardless, my point isn't the extra performance of Gen4 with RTX 3000, it's more that on X570, upgrading to RTX 3000 is Gen4 support is native, I'll likely only need 8 x PCIe gen 4 lanes whereas a B450 will need 16 x gen 3 lanes, so more free lanes for future NVMe or other PCIe expansions (plus a bit more GPU performance).
@@racerex340 yea it can make a difference in low/mid tier cards where Vram is not plentiful and some titles may need to load assets constantly, but in general it has no effect, or too little. But you're absolutely right on PCIE lanes availability. I guess SATA SSDs days are numbered, when we'll be able to fill those PCIE slots with NVME extensions.
A quick recap summary at the end would have been great! You filled my head with so much information I forgot which was the value winner and had to rewind lol
Well, I can't complain about "Tone Deaf" Marketing when it got the people on 400 series boards another generation of CPUs. Also, you've been on a roll lately, with super quality and helpful content. So, thank you.
I feel that it should be renamed something like "mid range workstation cpu" because the phrase "small business" brings up the Ryzen 5 3200G on my mind, due to the fact most small businesses won't do much with the GPU other than light photoshop work.
I'm neither an Intel or AMD fanboy. I used to have Radeon GPUs back in the day, used Intel CPUs for AGES. Now i'm building a Ryzen 9 3900 PC build with RTX 2070 Super GPU. Can't wait to unleash it. I'm myself doing more and more editing along the side. So to me it seemed like a good way to give AMD a chance on the CPU side of things. Something they used to get so much hate for.
I'd argue that going X570 along with 3600 is the smarter long-term play. Sure, B450 will get Ryzen 4000 support now, but the upper tiers of RTX3000 are not only guaranteed to be PCIe Gen4, they'll almost certainly need the extra bandwidth as a current RTX 2080ti is pretty close to maxing out what a PCIe Gen3 x16 slot can handle. Even a 20% increase over that will benefit from Gen 4 x16. On average, you can get a very decent X570 board for about $75-$100 more than a comparable B450 board as long as you're not aiming for crazy overclocking VRM power capabilities (not like Ryzen can do much OC without subzero cooling anyway), or trying to get 3 x PCIe Gen4 x4 m.2 slots per motherboard. Plenty of awesome boards available that'll easily support a moderate all core air OC of a 3950X, with two Gen4 x4 m.2 slots, four DIMM slots and plenty of PCIe / USB 3.2 in the $200 or less range. If you can find one, the MSI MPG X570 Gaming plus can usually be had for $170, has awesome IO and VRM's are fine for any stock or slightly OC'd Ryzen 3000 (I wouldn't put a chip on LN2 on this board, but it's fine for most people)
That's all nice but the 10600k is not available in most parts of the world at all. 3300x is the same -- there is absolutely no supply. For most people they might as well not exist at all. 3700x is going up in price in some parts of the world. Here (in SE Asia) the 3700x is about $400 (vs $283 in US) and the 3900x is $550 ($430 in US). Meanwhile something like the i7-10700 is $390 ($310 in US). Makes Intel a better proposition. It all depends where you live.
@meetmeat24hrfitness The XT series still suffer from the same memory latency issue that comes into play at heavily CPU bottle necked "high refresh competitive gaming", and +300Mhz all core is not going to eliminate it. It's probably going to take a good chunk out of it, making Intel's asking prices look (even more) silly, but unless there is some miracle sauce in the Infinity Fabric (Like running fclk and uclk at 2400MHz out of the box regardless of mclk speed) we're going to have to wait for Vermeer.
@@andersjjensen lets see if amd manages to improve on that with the 4000s. Even considering that the XT parts are, probably, pretty much surplus golden bin ccx chiplets I can't really see them improve the core latency that much.
Aah? they have plans for monolithic die CPUs ? clearly node size doesn't help, IPC and frequency could, but latency will always be a big issue. I don't see AMD taking that crown anytime soon, but getting closer could force intel to further reduce prices for the gaming crowds which would be badass.
@@usoppbarbosa981 The infinity fabric is currently on 12nm running at sub par speeds. However, if you overclock the fuck out of it, you do see quite a bit of latency improvements. Zen 3 is (according to leakers who've been reliable in the past) rocking a revamped Infinity Fabric shrunk to 7nm. That could easily mean that we go from something like 1600MHz stock speed to 2400MHz stock speed. Secondly Zen 3 features 8 cores per CCX instead of 4. If you want to see how much that improves latency, check the R3 3100 vs R3 3300X performance difference on like-for-like clock speeds. That's a 2x2 vs 1x4 configuration. Add to that the typical architectural improvements AMD have pushed the last few gens, and it is absolutely not impossible that AMD can push the latency down to what the RAM is physically capable of all the way up to, say, 4000MT/s CL14 kind of specialty OC ram.
I don't understand the 10700k hate. It's better than the 10600k, even if by a small amount, for $100. I mean if the computer lasts you 4 years that's $25/year, or 7 cents a day to have a slightly better CPU... am I wrong? I'd pay that. Also, how is the 10600 better than the 10900? Best shouldn't include price, best should be BEST. Best bang for buck is another category.
Intel i5-10600K review: ruclips.net/video/iQVBlCfb72M/видео.html
Intel i5-10600K memory & cache ratio overclock: ruclips.net/video/vbHyF50m-rs/видео.html
Watch our AMD R3 3300X review: ruclips.net/video/NM2fFpzPKPg/видео.html
Article version: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3589-best-cpus-of-2020-so-far-gaming-production-overclocking-budget
Is there any truth in this post? ruclips.net/user/postUgzlgvm_pK-u2-8AnAN4AaABCQ
here is translation
"Another very interesting piece of information about the new processors appeared today, when the meaning of two different steppings on the Comet-Lake LGA1200 models, reported by the CPU-Z, was revealed:
Namely, the new Intel 10Gen chips will come in Q0 and G1 versions, but the version you get will be a total lottery. Q0 is the one that Intel pushed into the reviews - so thicker IHS, soldered to the processor (STIM) ... however the G1 version is still a bit worse - thinner IHS with thermal paste between it and the processor. You can see the only way of recognition in the picture below, but you can see it only after buying and taking it out of the box. If you want to return the CPU and are looking for others - tough luck - our stores do not allow it.
In translation -
Q0 is good - lower temperature - better boost
G1 is worse - higher temperatures, less likely to achieve higher boost clocks
"
Why didn't you mention the missing ECC on Intel parts? ECC is a must for any serious work. Silent bit flip can have bad consequences.
@walentaz other team bad my team good cancer
@walentaz you'd be surprised that many people competitive esports 2080ti and i9 10900k for the 1080p fpsp
@@kromkromic2458 interesting post... i would be really worried if it's true.
but i think it's probably not. k cpus are the only ones to have the thick ihs and non k does not, i think that if anything it was a binning mistake somehow
The best CPU is the one you have right now
My words to live by.
That's gonna be really hard for us to fit in one video... Here's a list of every CPU that all of our viewers have!
Watch this become a 3 part series if XT cpus launch, then Zen 3, Intel should have some follow up. The $ spent pre Ampere becomes a different curve to measure what is acceptable and what is a bottleneck. Console ports going forward throw their own twist. F it all, just enjoy what you have right now.
SAGHW Team Even an Intel 80286? The dizzying heights of 4-25 MEGA hertz? Yup, none of that KILO hertz nonsense for me!
Still run a dual core laptop... Far from having the best CPU IMO
@@d9zirable that was my laptop as well for years lol. Couldn't even really run an emulator on it without issues..
22:29
"tribal mentality to defend brand"
Very well said,, very smooth
Consumers shouldn't have this "loyalty" towards a company, they don't give a damn about you or your loyalty. Always go for what the best is at the moment.
@@trcs3079 Exactly. Loyalty is something brands should show consumers, not the other way around. We pay THEM and it's their job to ensure we have reason to keep doing so. It seems there are many consumers who have brand loyalty rather than doing a decent amount of research and thinking for themselves.
Try to say anything good about intel on linus's discord server and the amd fan boys immediately try to put you down for buying something other than amd 👌
@@hauvrichunter2488 Doesn't stop Intel being evil and I own Intel as they used to do a decent job and not upgraded for years. Don't need to be anyone's fanboy to justify being critical where it's due.
I went with the i7-10700k since I wanted my new build to really reflect me as a person.
i bought it because im upgrading from an i5 6600k and i7 10700k is basically an i9 9900k lol
@@lokep0012 pretty much same here, a bit disappointed to seeing its reviews after purchasing it but still beats my old cpu
@@Encorey- eh, i think the reviews are based on the 9th gen cpus like how the 10700k is just a 9900k which is why it was disappointing. I bought a 3700x but was disappointed because of the clock speeds and temps, was 50c idle and only 1.2 volts and was constantly at 4ghz only, so I refunded it and got the i7. I'm not going to lie, people keep on shitting on intel for being on 14nm for so long, but it's impressive that they're keeping up with AMD at half the transistor size. I can't wait until intel gets to 7nm or lower, it'll be amazing :D
What motherboard for that cpu?
@@lokep0012 Completely agree, if you are a gamer, and care mostly about FPS stay with Intel CPU - very easy choice, if you are video editing on top only then makes sense to switch to AMD. Or certain budget/value considerations might as well play a role. I agree once we see Intel architecture on 7nm and below it will be a sight to behold! #FutureIntel
Great the youtoube timeline bar is now in sections :)
Yeah, finally some useful change! Bet they're gonna remove it in 5 years.
They introduced this feature a month ago
ruclips.net/video/U-pCQcCEp68/видео.html
Been like this for a while now, and it's been great!
WHOA
@@Sundara229 not for all regions
for me it only appeared today
I couldn't thank you guys enough for the amazing content. You helped me get the best bang for my buck on my PC. Now I need to get that mouse pad ASAP. Keep up the awesome content GN!
Glad that we helped! What'd you end up building?
I sign this. :)
@@GamersNexus he probably got a macbook and called it a day 😆😆
@@GamersNexus ryzen 7 3700x, Sapphire 5700xt, Coolermaster H500, MSI X570 (am gonna tamper with OC sooner or later), 16g 3600 RAM, 1TB NVME and a 2TB HDD.
Plan on doing photo editing and video editing eventually. Right now it is a beefed up Gaming rig lol.
@@Benziemane Great setup you have there. I do love my Red Devil 5700XT but there is some weird issue where the screen goes constant flashing black and normal while I tried to use free sync or undervolt.
Hit the nail on the head - The market is way more complex now. I had been sitting on a 6600K and GTX 1070 build for the last few years. Seemed like a ton of other people are in the same boat as me. The sheer volume of CPU models and GPU models that have come out since my build and the fact that AMD is now the market leader for CPUs made me feel super out of the loop.
Also, kudos on how much you guys have grown over the years. Last time we chatted I was helping out with PR for a funky and really niche thermoelectric cooler (HEX 2.0) back in 2016. You've grown a ton since then!
There should be a lot of good stuff coming out this later year with motherboards getting USB 4 (which includes Thunderbolt).
Looking forward to see how Zen 3 and Ice Lake compare.
I don't think Intel will ever release a desktop Ice Lake CPU. I'm hopeful that within the next two years they'll finally release a polished and profitable 10nm node desktop CPU with _genuinely_ _substantial_ improvements to IPC, frequency, transistor counts, and thermals versus their "ancient" 14nm desktop CPU node. I think the earliest Intel will release a true 10nm desktop CPU with large core counts will be "Alder Lake" (according to some rumors), but more likely it will be Intel's 7nm-10nm Meteor Lake node that will finally bring a true successor to their 14nm node.
Exactly!! I just ordered the i200 Corsair. Finally a thunderbolt3 port....welcome to the future!
I decided to upgrade at the worst time EVER to build a new computer. There is so much new tech out and ZERO availability. Got everything together (besides CPU and GPU) and assumed that AMD would have CPUs available late November/ early December and that with their GPU launch the GPU market would be flooded. Boy was I wrong, I underestimated the increase of demand and how limited AMDs supply was because of the PS5, Xbox, and GPU launches. (Besides scalped %150-%300 price increases) For the last month and a half I cant find a CPU (5000 series) or GPU (30 Nvidia or 6000 Radeon). So, I need to find a CPU (pre AMD 5000 series) because of the current lack of stock/scalping issues. If you're looking for cheap last gen parts on Ebay or Craigslist, this video is a great guide. Exactly the information I was looking to find. For now I'm just looking for something to allow me to finish the build and upgrade to 5000 series later. 3300x or 3600x, depending on price as a cheap stop gap until I can finally get my hands on a MSRP 5000 series CPU.
hello gamer nexus , can i make a suggestion. As an artist render times are important but whats much more important, is how the cpus perform inside the program , means how fast can they calculate cloth, how do they handle heavy meshes , complicated rigs or lots of objects , some stuff seems like it will be single core speed bound for the next few years at least(and some forever) , so benchmarking for "work-performance" would be a nice addition ,
in blender, maya, c4d that would be cloth and the otehr stuff i said
in photoshop, clipstudio, krita , it would be high res graphics with huge brushes , many layers ect.
in aftereffects, resolve, it would be effects and comping of layers , both in hd and 4k
Not surprised the R5 3600 hit best overall. Very happy with mine and it is performing quite well in my new setup. For the performance and price it just can’t be beaten.
Great vid. Love that you guys put timestamps on things. Not enough channels do that. 1 thing - at 13:40 I think you highlight the wrong CPU. 3900x when you are referencing the 3950x.
Coming here after some time away and awesome video man.
Just got an i9-9700k for 320$ because of a massive sale, couldn't be happier about it
I got a 9900k (through a deal) like a month before the 10-series dropped, so this isn't relevant to me in particular. Highly informative in a concise fashion though!
(Also, dat new youtube segmented timeline is pretty sweet)
"Best CPU for disappointment"
That's how the title can be read, and technically, you're not wrong. If you're looking to be disappointed, get the last one.
I'm not disappointed in mine.
Gamers Nexus 2 things
1. So the best 2020 gaming CPU is a better thermaled 8700k? If people got those in 2017 or 2018, that chip will continue to last a long time to come. Not quite on the 2600k/3770k level of longevity but will last throughout the lifespan of the upcoming ps5/xbox console.
2. I personally think you're too hard on the 10700k. Isn't it basically what a 9900k should've been at a cheaper price? You should revisit the chips viability when the H and B motherboards come out. Not everyone who gets that chip will be on a z490.
My rule of the thumb is: find the best CPU that suits your needs now, and buy the one immediately above it for longevity.
So right now the best CPU for me is a Ryzen 3600X, I ended up buying the 3700X back in March for 280€ and couldn't be happier.
Tech thumbnails: 10600k !!
Amazon and Newegg: uhh, what
Me: laughs in b450 R5 3600
Thanks for the video that's a really good and truthful line up 💪👍
You can pick up a 3600 up for as little as £145 with a voucher in the UK now, the cheapest i can find a 10600k is £279.98 also in the UK.
For the money i save building an AMD system over a comparable (All Round) INTEL system, i can buy myself a second 4k monitor, and i think that's the way most people look at stuff nowadays, there's so much more to computing than frame rate.
the Bojangles sauce what an add spot
(Before watching)
If you guys don’t look at the 3700x deeper in this video... I swear! I will start spamming!
(After watching)
Dooooooods
The 3700x hangs with 500$+ CPU’s using nearly half the power...
For 30-50$ more than 3600
It destroys the 3600, it keeps up with 3900x easily. No overclocking needed either, just a little tuning of PBO set to 1.35v and it boosts to 4.4-4.6 easy. I get low 5000’s in cinebench.r20. Manual over lock has some DECENT headroom as well.
I may have gotten a little lucky in lottery but this processor is GREATLY under valued and needs some love from you guys! It did not deserve the glance over you gave it in original review video!
The 3200g is a pretty good office pc upgrade for the price. Overpowered for office use but reasonably priced.
I'd rather have an EVERYTHING processor than just a ONE thing processor. So, that means AMD.
Yeah like intel processors cant do productivity. Idiot.
I think the best of the best should have the "best slot". I'm tired of hearing the phrase reasonable settings, when we are talking about what should be the top dog.
Same its simple put the top 3 cpu and talk about those
Great Video!
This is so useful, all I can find is gaming stuff.
After watching all this.. I'm still going with a 3900X. Right fit for me. I already have a Crosshair VI Hero and will just drop it in. It may not have won any categories here, but for every use case there's a right fit. Anyone who has anything else made in the last few years is fine.
Lemme guess, 3300x, 3600, 10900k.
They were mentioned, so yes.
Best gaming : Intel
For now...
Regarding the i5 10600k and ryzen 5 3600. You're forgetting that the AMD side has many more upgrade paths down the road with x570. Ex: ryzen 7 or 9 3rd gen or any of the 4th gen. As well as it costing less.
looking forward to the overview after the launch of Matisse Refresh
Great recap! The 3600 is still the chip for me.
I think both these companies are in an interesting place right now. I
actually just received the 10700k in the mail and am really excited
about it. I was going to order a 3900x for the price to performance, but
the x570 motherboards are all out of stock or over priced compared to
what they are supposed to be. If this non-availability causes more
permanent increased prices for AMD, would you recommend them at that
price point over Intel?
Thanks for this summary ;)
I have come to Gamer Jesus for advice.
Steve, what do you think is a good MoBo for the 2920x Ryzen Threadripper. I’m big on Video and Graphics, as well as office applications... not so much a gamer. I was thinking 1660 Super for Graphics? Haven’t rebuilt for a long time (Currently running a Q6600!) but I feel the need to build something more powerful and interesting... Your thoughts are appreciated, sir). Love Gigabyte and Asrock. But ASUS isn’t completely out of the question.
gave a like simply for the timestamps. thanks :')
Looking for recommendations for 1080p 144hz gaming. Like to build everything with monitor and keyboard/mouse for around $1300-$1500 including a cheap desk. Recommendations? Really only play modern warfare.
Still in love with my great i5-9600K 💖
I still love my 8700k. Gonna wait till maybe next Rysen series if I upgrade :D
Wireless computer processors are the next leap forward in technology.
sweet mouse mats
Interesting use of a sauce cup, Steve.
My 7700k has been overheating, I am pulling my loop apart this weekend and hope that the chip is not damaged, last time I buy a Monoblock, I think the weight created air gap I HOPE. Otherwise is 10series time! Sound like a i9k is the big dog right now for high FPS 240 hrtz and matching FPS, time to push that 1080ti to the limit while I wait for the 3k series.
Obviously this is a Gaming oriented channel but I do wish someone would do a similar recommendation for specifically for Video Editing..any recommendations for channels that might do this for video editing. Thanks.
Can we get such a video for gpus?
Is honorable mention for most disappointing really honorable....?
A great honor on our channel! It might make it into the Disappointment PC end of year!
it's hard to be "unique" enough to get so much negative attention.
@al-Haifawi yup, have a cookie
@@vyor8837 what is 6 series from Intel?
@@NeroKoso 6th gen so 6700k and 6600k. And it was mostly the thread count that led to AMD having higher 1% lowes in some games
The vertical bars when showing benchmarks are the most genius thing I've ever seen in the history of snapshots in a video.
Yes but they are slightly distracting & not needed for some benchmarks since they last literally only 5-10sec...
@@maomekat2369 ever head of pausing?
@@capalottaway4932 pausing still does not change or affect the fact that since some of the benchmarks are 4 sec long, the bars don't help as much as op said(eg they are not the most genius genius thing ever, infact I'm sure many like yourself think otherwise since you talk about pausing which is irrelevant). Thankyou for your input though
You will be surprised how many people skip the benchmark lists or the benchmark comparison. Most of benchmark technical data is skipped by regular viewers. The 10% of people that want to see the benchmarks are technically familiar, the rest 90% just want to know the end result. Cheers
Whilst I'm pleased R5 3600 is still best overall, even if it had fallen behind Intel I'd have still bought it. Can't buy Intel after their decade of price fixing and lack of development due to having a monopoly.
Whether you are for AMD or Intel there is one thing we can all agree on:
Marketing people have a special place in hell waiting for them.
Yeah, just graduated and got a job in a tech company marketing for them. I'm worried... lol
@@gdude629 Congrats :)
Get this man a gift. Amen brother!
Marketing - how to make normies into pay piggies.
Totally agree 👍
The disappointment PC this year is gonna be brilliant. 😎👍
Intel 10900X in it 109%
The graphics card is going to be a tough choice so far because there isn't exactly a terrible pick at the moment. Maybe the 5700 non-XT is probably the worst value since the 5600XT gets within stone's throw a performance for cheaper. That's also parts from last year. But after all we're only halfway through this year.
@@TheNiteNinja19 not 5500xt? It's very underwhelming imo
@@TheNiteNinja19 Intels Xe For the win!
@@TheNiteNinja19 I dunno. The 5700 holds more value than the 5600XT. The latter is pushed to the limit and can't be overclocked. It's a good GPU, but in my country the price of the 5600XT and 5700 is so close that I dont see the meaning in purchasing the former over the latter.
Going around and collecting benchmark data from the more reliable sources and calculating cost/frame lead me to conclude that a 5700 priced at €380 has the same value as a €330 5600XT. However, you can BIOS flash the 5700 to give it another small boost in performance.
AMD's biggest disappointment comes the form of the 5500XT. It's just overpriced and totally not worth it. The 1650Super is a far more sensible option. Not to mention the weird gimping it has when comparing 4gb to 8gb, or PCIe3 to PCIe4.
I'm starting to think 3 am is the new upload sweet spot for Gamers Nexus...
Could be midnight if you moved west.
@@SparkyOne549 Psssh we all know EST time is the best time zone
@@Saaurier haha you're funny. west coast best coast
9 am on my end :)
Europe rules :)
Pc time is anytime
Just another episode of "Just buy the Ryzen 3600"
Or 10400, 10500, and 10600k, and if you can find it 3300x.
@@Daeyae 10400 really makes sense tho. 10600K is just overpriced af
@@captainfatbat9557 10400 is good as its a lot cheaper, but the 10600k can be OC'ed meaning for a more premium system its the better pickup, but for more of a budget the 10400 and 10500s are really good 6 core intel picks still
For budget value Ryzen 3 3100, used it in my first build. Great CPU.
Just get a intel xeon e5 6240 v3 with turbo unlock 3.3ghz 8 core 12 threads for 40€
Best cpu for using as coaster please
7350K
10900X if you're feeling fancy
7640k imo :)
@@GamersNexus Don't forget to overclock to keep your hot drinks HOT! 👍
@@GamersNexus not the 5775C? That would be a really fancy one
Best Gaming - i5 10600K, matches the i9 10900K to provide highest frames possible but requires expensive Z490 motherboard and a beefy cooler
Best Budget Gaming - R3 3300X, Unbeatable value in terms of its price and gaming performance
Best Overall - R5 3600, for 170$ US offers best balance between gaming, multi-tasking\productivity and price
Best Small Business - R9 3950X, Strong production capabilities without going into HEDT platform, great gaming performance as well
Best Workstation - Threadripper 3990X, Best Possible productivity, suitable for studios\professionals
Code This still waiting for the 3300x to come back in stock
Can someone explain why "small business" needs to be anyi but the cheapest cpu out there? What small business needs anything but word processing and internet browsing?
@@matrixist Hey matrixist, when we say "small business" we are not talking about a generic business computer for regular work. we are talking about a business that revolves around compute so things like 3D artists, content creators, animators or software development businesses.
@Advocatus Diaboli I'd go personally for a 3600\3700X, plenty of performance while having great value in terms of pricing and "future-proofing"
@@codethis2875 That not a small business.. Usually Small Business are like one who run office, excel. 3D/Animation goes for Creator Content and that not a small business... Usually cheapest i3 or cheapest amd 2400g is good for small business that almost run on msoffice.. but overall ryzen 3600 is the best among them. Cant wait for ryzen 7 4700g when it come out with DDR4 4200mhz Smallest ITX build that support nvme.
Wow the first actual good new thing to happen on RUclips in a while timestamps on the player!
Im blown away it didnt happen years ago
*DIS* honorable mention
I played battlefield 2 yesterday and it looked beautiful on a 280x/fx 60300 grow up!
@@aaronbrown185 calm down
@@Silent_Shadow gtfo
@@aaronbrown185 Bro, are you mad bro?
@@WompaOne1 no he is not mad you are poor
Oh no, my 3800X isn't on the list! I must upgrade now!
@J Thorsson this summer is going to be loooooong
Mmmm I'd like some of that skooma too
Or downgrade 😁
not on the list, but still costs less than the 10600k all in. unsure why people keep comparing the sub $300 3600+b450 to the $500+ 10600k+z490. The 3800x is the 10600k's closest match price wise, though a 3900x isn't much more expensive all in on CPU, Cooler, and Mother board.
@@johngaltline9933 3600 is priced against the 10400F
I suppose you could say that 60% of games are optimized for a single thread if you count all of the games for like dos, Windows 98 and Commodore 64 lol.
i need my 12 threads to play lemmings from floppy!
Bro you need at least 24 threads for minesweeper
Haha! Indeed...and we must also mention the "pc junior" and the have "Exodus" (still a good cover for art even today.)
Many Many cpu's ago... And then there was GN and all techies and non-techies rejoiced at the TRUTH of Gamers Nexus.
Ps- my wife is an ELF PRINCESS!
*There is no one on RUclips in the PC tech space more deserving of success and a huge following than GamersNexus.* I've been watching Steve and the crew for years. I used to wonder how they didn't have more subs! And now I'm so happy to see that they aren't only still around, but continue to grow! This is the best channel to get your PC tech news and detailed spec info!
10600k has 4 disabled cores, which affects latency. Intel STIM is also garbage, the 8700k is better overall if you get a decent bin IMO.
Considering you are delidding of course.
i posted a comment about that, being the worst die from a 10900 means 4 disabled cores, and deppending on wich cores are the ones disabled, it means different perfomances across all 10600k due to the latency variation, i wouldnt put 10600k as the best for gaming...
@@babayaga1452 what would you put?
@@axiom4694 Heh. Well that would be the 10900K of course. The benchmarks are in the video. You could make a compelling case for the 9900K, though. But the differences are so minor that, say in my case with a 9700K, I'm gonna just hold off until I see some kind of substantial leap. I'd like to be able to say that AMD will finally take advantage of Intel's obvious problems and deliver a legitimately good gaming CPU, but I don't have a track record I can point to as a confidence builder.
@@Asterra2 but the price difference is quite substantial. when talking about strictly gaming performance, with the minor gains in fps is it really worth? Or is price out of the equation?
can i ask why you recommend the athlon 3000g for 60$ when the i3 9100f is 14$ more
and is about twice as fast in games... trades blows with the 3100 ruclips.net/video/AjRXGnzUewI/видео.html
sure the athlon is on the current socket for AMD
but i mean the lga 1151 series 300 still goes all the way upto the i9 9900kf
being beat by the 10 series now sure.. but not by much at all, like you've said yoursef. it's just a refresh. those cpu's are still good and i can imagine they will hold up decently in the futrure
they''ll probably be rather cheap in the future . by the time you need to upgrade past the i3 9100f to keep above 60fps
probably get one for around 200$ or so.
i agree with you that the 3300x is honestly the best budget cpu, for 120 msrp nothing comes close to the value
tho if you can't reach that 120$ 74$ for the i3 9100f for on par performance in games to the 3100.
plus, the i3 9100f cheapest mobo is the h310 pro vdh for 50$ (i know about it's lack of IO lanes. but come on, it doesn't matter for someone building an ultra budget gaming pc, they will have a mouse, keyboard, maybe a charger cord for their controller and at max, a usb stick also plugged in,then of course whatever gpu they pick, they aren't going to need the pci or extra pcie slots.) compared to the 3100 cheapest mobo that is 80$, so you add the extra 30$ that the 3100 costs and the 20-30$ extra the mobo costs, and at that point just throw in another 20$ and get yourself the 3300x. you know what i mean? i don't get the pricing of the 3100. they should have priced it the same as the i3 9100f to really stick it to intel.
We all know AMD is just the best overall for workloads; in that aspect, Intel can’t compete.
@ Are you really an intel fanboy or did you invest in an intel processor and subconsciously feel the need to defend your purchase. Reason I ask is because AMD is morally the better company without a doubt and AMD is set to take the overall performance lead in all areas with the 4000 series so all things considered why the fuck would you publicly support intel? You realize they took every opportunity to rip people off in the last 5-10 years right?
Comp Wiz2007 if you need to defend your purchase decisions then you made a mistake. Case closed
Comp Wiz2007 🤣 your ego is so massive yet you’re so insecure
Talk facts? Then ok, how about ryzen 4000 mobile CPUs beating even intel desktop cpus in speed AND keeping lower wattage.
So basically intel is for peasants if u getting a laptop. BUT AMD prices are still cheaper, so no brainer.
Keep being bitter. I would be too if I spent thousands on a company that is getting inferior everyday. Always a new article with faster and cheaper amd products. I dont blame you haha
@ ruclips.net/video/ZYqG31V4qtA/видео.html
Here is Linus showing his benchmark core i9 in single threaded performance. Even real benchmarks in games, not just blenders.
Intel cant compete in anything at all in mobile now. And it beat intel in single thread performance using like 40w less power too.
Haha just type zephyrs g14 and every other youtuber benchmark will show single thread beating Intel.
Your so pathetic you willing to lie out of your ass just to defend your stupid argument.
Damn. He didnt even MENTION my R7 3700X. Did I buy the wrong CPU?
Not at all.... being the r5 3600x is the best price to performance cpu right now, the r7 3700x better ready you for the future or multi tasking. Since the zen3 cpu will be am4 socket, you won't need to upgrade but the next the zen4 and after will probably require a different socket meaning new motherboard, so you'll be able to hold off hopefully to zen 5 or 6 before needing to upgrade. I as well went 3700x because I actually asked for the r5 3600x but the idiot at the store brought out an r7 3700x and sold it to me for the same price.
I was expecting to him to mention this processor...
I love my 3700x. I bought it for 4K @ 60FPS gaming.
Then I got into video encoding and wish I had got the 3900x, but 3700x is a GREAT all around CPU considering it has 4 more threads than the 3600x while still maintaining 65W TDP. But his only focus is gaming, so that's why he's not valuing the extra cores.
It's also worth noting that the 3700x comes with the better Wraith Prism cooler, and not the 3600x Wraith Spire cooler.
That's value add.
So no, you didn't make the wrong choice.
@@KevinFelker Thx
I agree with i5-10600K which is the best gaming cpu, by watching your review and Jayztwocents, but the main problem is that combining i5-10600K with cheapest motherboard (+ cpu cooler) will cost me double more than combining R5 3600 and motherboard, i'm talking about European market, obviously.
Eu has really F market when it comes intel mobos they are always expensive :(
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3990X: "I have 64 cores"
Adobe Premiere: "No, I don't think so"
@Ivan Osorto still gajilion people using it
@@royk7712 because of the suite of apps
And don't forget that the PS5 and Xbox only have 8 core CPUs.
No one is going to take advantage of these exotic threadripper CPUs for at least one more console generation, so AMD's main gaming advantage is basically null for the next 10 years.
@@youtubesuresuckscock LMAO did you really think it was for gaming???? bruhh
@@kiem2702 How dare I think about gaming on a RUclips channel named GAMERS NEXUS. You're not as clever as you think you are, kid.
I’d love a 3070 but I need a new pc first because of my cpu and the bad motherboard
I'm just sitting here with my Haswell, dreaming of what life could be if I had $1,500 for a new build.
Same bro ;_;
I'm on Ivy Bridge LOL. I'm planning to do a half system upgrade (mobo, ram, cpu maybe ssd too) in 2020.
@@valentinvas6454 Do the SSD man. get a NVME 3.5 GBps or higher one. it will matter more than we expect in the near future considering the new consoles NVME SSD speeds. I think there is a good chance that we will see games that will require high bandwidth storage in the next couple years maybe more but it will happen before that CPU becomes outdated imo.
Eh, I have $1500 for a build and I would rather wait, parts are scarce thanks to Human Malware, prices are jacked up, and even the used market is FUBAR right now.
@@TheEchelon1619 Good point. Perhaps by the time I've saved up, things will calm back down.. or we'll hit another wave and things will go so sideways that trying to build will become a moot point. I hope it's the former.
I used your content to finally upgrade from a 2600k this week, man was it worth it
@dan what did you upgrade to I have a 2600k it's 10 years old my rig and I was looking into a 2600x as I would like to invest in a decent Gpu as well. I only need the CPU, Board and Ram as my storage case and PSU I will be re using
@al-Haifawii5 4570 to 3600. Such a massive jump in performance
@@dnakatomiuk 2600K is 9 years old. What GPU are you using or looking at?
@@dnakatomiuk I wouldn't re use 10 year old hdd and power supply though
im currently on a 4670k. sad times.
Finally got the timeline new feature thing ^^
Yeah, its really nice!
Is it on mobile yet?
@@creepyshadow55 yes
Creepy Shadow ye
That "6x more soldiers" by Intel is so hilarious. 😂
it does have better cock speed tho
@@desertfish74 I'll grant you that but still marketing bullshit
Given the Total War engine I wouldnt be surprised
A little guidance please, I want to play games and stream off 1 pc which would be better for me i5-10600k or Ryzen 5 3600 (I have a 1660super for reference)
with so many threads, amd's next step over threadripper should be called loom
TL:DW
Best Best Gaming CPU Overall: Intel Core i5 10600K
Best Budget Gaming CPU: Ryzen 3 3300X
Best Overall CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 (yeah boi)
Best Small Business & Hobbyist Production CPU: Ryzen 9 3950X
Best High-End Workstation CPU: Ryzen Threadripper 3990X
Most Fun CPU to Overclock: Intel Core i9 10900K
Biggest Disappointment: Intel Core i7 10700K
But you know what, watch it. You'll always learn something from Tech Jesus 🙏
Rofl. Intel xtreme edition cpus are the best
My R5 3600 just keeps justifying itself
Dude just thinking the same thing
same
feels good
Thank god i bought R5 3600
Mate, it's a few percent better than 2600 but 50% more expensive.
All things considered, 2020 disappointment PC is going to be... Decent this year?
Looking at what, i7-10700k, 5600XT Red Dragon, Corsair 500 air cooler, Silverstone R1 case?
Definitely not pretty but better than previous years
Lanceo90 I would be looking at Nvidia for a graphics card if you can find one at your budget. Too many driver issues with AMD.
I'm saving up for my first pc. I am going to use amd ryzen 7 3700x
Rocking the 3900x for gaming/streaming. You should cover this segment as well as it’s very popular and there is a lot of chat about which CPU + Nvidia GPU handles this best in terms of costs.
I'm using a 9900k and 2070 super with nvenc for streaming..I was going to build a 3700x dedicated stream pc but everything is over priced and out of stock right now
toasty TV I know the pain. I’m rocking a 2070 Super and the quality of my stream on twitch is outstanding. Can’t wait for the 3-series to boost the frames at 1440p.
My first PC was a 2500k and Amd 7970. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3600 and a 5700 for $290(at Best Buy, lol) ...I just looked and I can't find a 10600k for sale anywhere. And the 3600 is $167 on Amazon. It's no contest, you can't be the best cpu if you can't buy it. So for now it's no contest until there is competition
bro the 7970 was such a good card. I wish I hadn't had to sell it for food in bad times. it'd go great in a secondary pc or streaming pc for stream delivery.
this is common for hardware releases btw, you cant expect full availability even if we should expect it reasonably as consumers. once they are available impulse enthusiast buyers will get them first, then enthusiasts, then the savvy gamers, then the braindead upgraders, then everyone else
Worth keeping in mind that that 3600 also runs just fine on a nice, $120, b450 board and the cooler in the box is nothing fancy, but it's good enough. On the other hand, a 10600k if you could buy one, goes for about $280 and you still need to stick a cooler on it, say $50, and the cheapest z490 boards worth buying go for about $200. so that 10600k all in is around $530 compared to the 3600's $290. Or for about $550 you could get in to a 3900x.
minganator Do you know there is a pandemic out there and people are dying? Do you know people are out of work? Do you know factories were closed for at least 2 months? Do you expect shelves to be overflowing with computer components? Just think about that! Having CPUs on the shelf means nothing if you can't buy a motherboard to install it on.
@@felicityc , Yeah man, I loved my 7970! First card to be able to do 3 monitor Eyefinity without needing Crossfire or SLI, I used to run BF3 and Skyrim on high settings across 3 1080p monitors with ease! The 2500k and 7970 are still going strong too. I just gave away the parts to my best friend because his son needed a PC for home schooling due to the human malware. $200 bucks worth of Case, PS, 2tb hdd, cheap mouse and kb, and an my old intel 510, 120 gb ssd, got him a great starter pc to do homework on and still good 1080p gaming performance! He's 11 and he's loving his first gaming pc, so it's totally worth it to help him out! Also, I know that when new hardware releases that there will be a run on that product... And I agree that Intel shouldn't hold back product available for sale just to stock up before a release, but if you're promoting your product by giving it away to content creators to test and review, and I can't then go by one after watching the video, it means there is no choice and at this price point I have to buy AMD, or a pre-built from an oem, which has a added cost for them to build their product. This is good if I'm in the market for a pre-built, but not if I'm wanting to build my own.
The demand for the 10600k was so high that I found a 10700k for roughly the same price... And considering 8/16 is the same as next gen console, I figured it would be "future proof" for gaming. So far i'm really happy with it... I get that the 10600k is better for value but that's assuming you could find one at the listed price.
None of these reviews focus on energy consumption though. Not even mentioned? The 3600 uses, from my research, about 1/3 less power than a 10600k. its not a big amount but it will add up over time.
That performance difference between the 3300X and 3600 in gaming makes me really excited for when AMD goes for 1 CCX per chiplet CPUs. If ZEN3 combines that with their (most likely) higher clocks, single CCX through unified L3 and other generational improvements, it could be the king all across the board.
I'm also quite excited, but I don't expect the move from 2 x 4-core CCX per CCD to 1 x 8-core and minor clock speed / IPC improvements being enough to overtake Intel on the gaming side of things, although I think you'll see the average 10-15% better stock FPS of Intel vs AMD drop to maybe 5%. Intel still, even on their 14nm++++++++++++++++ architecture, has some PCIe efficiencies that AMD won't be able to tackle until AM5, as I believe they're AM4 / chipset related. If RTX 3000 is released and PCIe Gen4 x16 actually provides any meaningful increase (can be utilized) over the same cards in PCIe Gen3 x16 slots, AMD will almost certainly pull ahead, even with the existing efficiencies until Intel has PCIe Gen4 on Z490. To be fair, Intel may have to adopt something similar to AMD's MCM soon to compete with AMD core counts on mainstream socket processors, which will leave Intel trying to solve similar problems that Zen has been grappling with.
@@racerex340 Have you seen PCIE bus usage when gaming? it's negligible.. like on PCIE 3.0 x16 even the biggest titles may use it at 5 or 6% tops. You could downgrade to 8x and see no changes in gaming performances (i lost like 100 points on 3DMark testing from x16 to x8 which is nothing). that bandwidth in itself is not a limiting factor in gaming performance at all. Latencies, that's another issue.
@@usoppbarbosa981 I had to move my gpu down to an x8 pcie slot for clearence on a nh-d15 heatsink and I don't think I've lost a single fps in any games I play.
@@usoppbarbosa981 on most titles, the difference between PCIe gen 3 x8 and x16 is just a few FPS, although a few titles like ACO and Wolfenstein 2 showed nearly 10-13%, hellblade nearly 15% improvement going x16.
Regardless, my point isn't the extra performance of Gen4 with RTX 3000, it's more that on X570, upgrading to RTX 3000 is Gen4 support is native, I'll likely only need 8 x PCIe gen 4 lanes whereas a B450 will need 16 x gen 3 lanes, so more free lanes for future NVMe or other PCIe expansions (plus a bit more GPU performance).
@@racerex340 yea it can make a difference in low/mid tier cards where Vram is not plentiful and some titles may need to load assets constantly, but in general it has no effect, or too little.
But you're absolutely right on PCIE lanes availability. I guess SATA SSDs days are numbered, when we'll be able to fill those PCIE slots with NVME extensions.
I really appreciate you guys disputing reddit nonsense with actual facts and data
I wonder if nvidia’s 30 series cards will result in a change of their choice of best gaming cpu.
It'll be interesting to see what AMD has coming!
Muahaha... I was a part of the first wave of GN mouse mats =)
Me tooo :)
Eyyyy me too!
And in still here with my 4790k and i still love that cpu
4690 here want the 10700k though ahhhh
Wow you holding out. I upgraded 2 years ago as it was constantly at 100% in my games. It's a good time to upgrade and won't disappoint
A quick recap summary at the end would have been great! You filled my head with so much information I forgot which was the value winner and had to rewind lol
Well, I can't complain about "Tone Deaf" Marketing when it got the people on 400 series boards another generation of CPUs. Also, you've been on a roll lately, with super quality and helpful content. So, thank you.
I feel that it should be renamed something like "mid range workstation cpu" because the phrase "small business" brings up the Ryzen 5 3200G on my mind, due to the fact most small businesses won't do much with the GPU other than light photoshop work.
I'm neither an Intel or AMD fanboy. I used to have Radeon GPUs back in the day, used Intel CPUs for AGES. Now i'm building a Ryzen 9 3900 PC build with RTX 2070 Super GPU. Can't wait to unleash it.
I'm myself doing more and more editing along the side. So to me it seemed like a good way to give AMD a chance on the CPU side of things. Something they used to get so much hate for.
If buying new, the 3600 with a b450 just seems like a no brainier right now for a well rounded machine that will be good for a couple of years.
yeap... best price/perf combo
actualy, right now you should wait for XT CPU to come out and you'l get the 3600 discounted...
Tbh my 2600k lasted me for 9 years now. Died few months ago
I'd argue that going X570 along with 3600 is the smarter long-term play. Sure, B450 will get Ryzen 4000 support now, but the upper tiers of RTX3000 are not only guaranteed to be PCIe Gen4, they'll almost certainly need the extra bandwidth as a current RTX 2080ti is pretty close to maxing out what a PCIe Gen3 x16 slot can handle. Even a 20% increase over that will benefit from Gen 4 x16. On average, you can get a very decent X570 board for about $75-$100 more than a comparable B450 board as long as you're not aiming for crazy overclocking VRM power capabilities (not like Ryzen can do much OC without subzero cooling anyway), or trying to get 3 x PCIe Gen4 x4 m.2 slots per motherboard. Plenty of awesome boards available that'll easily support a moderate all core air OC of a 3950X, with two Gen4 x4 m.2 slots, four DIMM slots and plenty of PCIe / USB 3.2 in the $200 or less range. If you can find one, the MSI MPG X570 Gaming plus can usually be had for $170, has awesome IO and VRM's are fine for any stock or slightly OC'd Ryzen 3000 (I wouldn't put a chip on LN2 on this board, but it's fine for most people)
@@georgestate9384 literally got my 3600 earlier in the same day the 3600 XT leaked.
"Hopefully companies learn from their experiences" oh, Past Steve, you have NO idea how much they have learned. LMAO
yeah nothing apparently
Are you recommending the Bo's Special Sauce for food? Love that stuff.
That's all nice but the 10600k is not available in most parts of the world at all. 3300x is the same -- there is absolutely no supply. For most people they might as well not exist at all.
3700x is going up in price in some parts of the world. Here (in SE Asia) the 3700x is about $400 (vs $283 in US) and the 3900x is $550 ($430 in US). Meanwhile something like the i7-10700 is $390 ($310 in US).
Makes Intel a better proposition. It all depends where you live.
Intel: I am still the gaming GOD
Vermeer: Hold my red bull...
@meetmeat24hrfitness The XT series still suffer from the same memory latency issue that comes into play at heavily CPU bottle necked "high refresh competitive gaming", and +300Mhz all core is not going to eliminate it. It's probably going to take a good chunk out of it, making Intel's asking prices look (even more) silly, but unless there is some miracle sauce in the Infinity Fabric (Like running fclk and uclk at 2400MHz out of the box regardless of mclk speed) we're going to have to wait for Vermeer.
@@andersjjensen lets see if amd manages to improve on that with the 4000s. Even considering that the XT parts are, probably, pretty much surplus golden bin ccx chiplets I can't really see them improve the core latency that much.
Aah? they have plans for monolithic die CPUs ? clearly node size doesn't help, IPC and frequency could, but latency will always be a big issue.
I don't see AMD taking that crown anytime soon, but getting closer could force intel to further reduce prices for the gaming crowds which would be badass.
@@usoppbarbosa981 The infinity fabric is currently on 12nm running at sub par speeds. However, if you overclock the fuck out of it, you do see quite a bit of latency improvements. Zen 3 is (according to leakers who've been reliable in the past) rocking a revamped Infinity Fabric shrunk to 7nm. That could easily mean that we go from something like 1600MHz stock speed to 2400MHz stock speed. Secondly Zen 3 features 8 cores per CCX instead of 4. If you want to see how much that improves latency, check the R3 3100 vs R3 3300X performance difference on like-for-like clock speeds. That's a 2x2 vs 1x4 configuration. Add to that the typical architectural improvements AMD have pushed the last few gens, and it is absolutely not impossible that AMD can push the latency down to what the RAM is physically capable of all the way up to, say, 4000MT/s CL14 kind of specialty OC ram.
I was always wondering, what's with the black tape on some of the AMD CPUs?
Maybe it’s a CPU that still needs to be released.
GN sourced it from another reviewer coz AMD wouldnt send one to be reviewed, the tape is to stop the loaner getting into trouble with AMD
Did he hint to "Immediately on the horizon" for the possibility of the Ryzen XT CPU might be a reality ^^ 2:35
it is, micro center just delisted their raven ridge 2nd gen cpus :)
Yeah and it sucks :/
Did someone say back ordered?
I don't understand the 10700k hate. It's better than the 10600k, even if by a small amount, for $100. I mean if the computer lasts you 4 years that's $25/year, or 7 cents a day to have a slightly better CPU... am I wrong? I'd pay that. Also, how is the 10600 better than the 10900? Best shouldn't include price, best should be BEST. Best bang for buck is another category.
Waiting for this AMD XT series, and 11th this year 👍
Don't forget zen 3
WAITING INTEL....!!!
@@dodgeviper2175 yes, that is also in my waiting list : )
@@claritoresdiano1021 the mean reason is for gaming : )