Walther PPQ SC - Problem Found!
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2018
- We encountered an issue with the PPQ SC when manually cycling the slide. It has been sent back to Walther for a remedy.
Check out the results of sending it to Walther: • It's Back! Walther PPQ...
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I’m happy that they are quick about this particular case. Hopefully they get it back to you quickly so we can see the improvement as well as the customer service. It sucks that there is already an issue, however, it’s great in the case of perfecting further. Thanks for the great video! Keep doing what you’re doing!
Thank you. I was definitely pleased with the attitude and response that I got from Walther. They really do seem to be interested in dealing with this properly and quickly.
glad my SC never had an issue, and I have talked to Customer service...it was excellent.
Good catch... Sorry you had to experience an issue like that but it's probably for the best that you did since it can help others who watch your videos if they experience the same issue. Kudos to Walther for their prompt action and great customer service!
Thank you. I agree that is better that we or another channel like us find these things first since we are in a good position to analyze and report on it.
thanks hammer striker. I love walter pistols and my edc is a ppq. Customer service is a big plus at Walter as well, though I have never had to use them.
Great analysis. I look forward to hearing how Walther addresses this.
Thank you. We have an update coming out tomorrow.
Love my walthers
Knowing how Walther handled this is issue is exactly why I ordered one... Compared to how FN is handling their broken striker problems. For me it was down to them and the PPQ SC, but the way Walther does business won it for me.
How was the issue resolved?
Thank-you! Rick
Informative. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing brother. Seems like most “new” model guns these days have some issues that need to be worked out....I’ll wait till they resolve them. Great vid ✊
Thank you. We will have it back shortly and put out an update.
I just found this video and immediately grabbed my SC to see if it has the same flaw. Mine is just the opposite being lower instead of higher at the end of the ramp. I just bought mine towards the end of 2021 so maybe it's been corrected. Thanks for the video
Luckily mine doesn't have this issue. Good thing that its fixed now.
So, your PPQ SC does not have that gap anymore? Thank you in advance!
@@alexl7996 mine never had it to begin with. I have since gotten a full size M2 though.
Just to be a little pedantic. That part is actually not the "loading ramp". The _loading ramp_ is the extension on the _barrel_ that guides the nose of the bullet into the chamber. The part that you were referring to on the slide is actually called the _stripper rail_ , for obvious reasons. For someone to watch the whole video this makes sense, but initially it was quite confusing.
You are correct that what he is referring to is a stripper rail, however what you are referring to as a "loading ramp" is actually a feed ramp. If we're arguing semantics, let's be 100% correct 😉
Some may refer to it as a loading ramp, but i have never heard or read that term
My wife says this is her favorite up against Glock and Smith & Wesson M&P.
thnx for sharing ,
I wish I could say the same about Walther...although I like their guns, I personally had a few bad experiences with their customer service and a rude employee or two.
I was looking to buy a small 9mm. I narrowed it down between this and the glock 26. you just made the decision easy.
HK VP9SK
G26
P365 xl cant beat the 12 + 1 in flush mags and 15 + 1 in the extension, and to top it all off it's still more concealable than the ppq sc.
If you're still in the market for one, I highly recommend the Springfield Hellcat if you want high capacity while still being ultra concealable. It's better than the P365 in every way aside from the trigger (although the Apex trigger for the Hellcat makes it better than anything available for the P365). If you want something a little bigger though I would go with the P365XL or Glock 43X with a ShieldArms mag.
That seems like an obvious one. Good catch and diagnosis. My CCP has been giving me trouble. Your videos have been very helpful.
Thank you. Inspect your CCP closely, if I remember correctly they had an issue on some of the early ones with frames cracking in a couple of possible places resulting in behavioral issues.
Will do. Mine is around 64xxx made in 2016. It's had the recall done, but the previous owner had mangled the takedown latch and tool. Walther is sending me one of each. The trigger pull is awful and the disconnect process is very stiff, almost like there's a burr on the trigger bar that doesn't want to let go of the sear drum. A little stoning should clear that up. I want to like this gun, but it's fighting me.
Really bummed seeing this. It seems like a very basic oversight by Walther. Anyone who knows anything about firearms knows that Walther really, really, really cut corners on manufacturing:-(. I have faith Walther will stop production and fix issues with this firearm. THANK you for sharing this info!!! Walther I will not be buying the new SC until it’s fixed
Hello. I had a p365 that I didn’t like so I traded it in and got a new in box PPQ SC for about an hour but the extractor was defective so they bought it back from me and I got another VP9SK. I could have just sent it back for warranty work but leaving a store with a new pistol that didn’t work proper was not going to be an option. I have a Walther PPQ M1 and that’s what prompted me to want a PPQ sc.
I have a round stuck in chamber I want to know if it’s safe to discharge?
Thanks for sharing. Wow this sucks. I haven't yet seen this issue. Might hold off.
When we get it back we will put out an update with the results - I hope they get it fixed and have good info on what was done.
Bummer. The Glock 27 has a similar condition however you can rack it over the initial resistance so it’s not as severe. Thanks again Striker
I found that with my 27 when it was new but on that guy all you had to do is "Yank it like you mean it" and it would cycle every time.
MY 27 TOO JUST AS DESCRIBED. WEAR ON THE LEADING EDGE OF THE BARREL AS IT DROPS OUT OF BATTERY WITH THE FRAME CAUSED ME TO THINK THIS WAS A BARREL TOLERANCE ISSUE. PERHAPS NOT THE CAUSE. BUT GREASE ON THE CONTACT SURFACES MINIMIZED THE ISSUE.
I wonder why it only happens when loading a mag and not every time the gun cycles a round? I guess the force of the slide when firing just overcomes the case rim?
I didn’t see it was a PPQ Sub. Though he was talking about all of PPQ M2. Almost shit going to buy one tomorrow. Was just going to buy a GL19.
Weird. Haven’t had this issue with mine. It’s been flawless.
I suspect this was a limited scope issue. They sent my original one to QA for analysis and replaced it. The replacement is working perfectly.
Hammer Striker good to hear!
@@HammerStriker I love Walther Arms, they're very high class!!
There may be a new Walther ppq coming out in Feb;)
I almost got one of these last month. I really like the P99/PPQ guns and I own a P99 AS which has become one of my favorites. I am so disappointed to see this issue come up on their subcompact.
I really do think that this was a "first batch" type problem as I have not had any trouble with the replacement or heard of later ones with this issue.
Hi how is recoil compared to the PPQ and Glock 26?Thanks for your reply and the video 🖒
It is snappier than the PPQ due to the ligther weight and smaller overall size. It is similar to the G26 in felt recoil.
I think it is fair to suggest that you delete this video. Reason being that there aren’t many video reviews on the PPQ SC, so when people RUclips search it and see this, they might not see the 2,000 rd review or any of the videos you made after the fact explaining that you had a pre-release model, it was made right by Walther, and you never encountered the issue again. I did a fair amount of research on PPQ SC before buying and don’t think I saw any complaints of this happening.
I am somewhat of a Walther “fanboy”, so the video wouldn’t throw me off, but if it were another brand I was looking into and saw this video, I would prob just rule the pistol out completely and start looking at other options.
Don’t think there’s anything questionable about deleting the vid. Obviously you can do what you want. Thanks for taking the time to make informative and thorough reviews!
Thank you. We did link to the update and 2000 round test of the replacement in the description.
I am hesitant to delete it because it would make the appearance that I intend to hide things on behalf of a manufacturer, we are strict on honesty (even for guns we REALLY like).
We always follow up with whatever was done about an issue, in this case a complete replacement which works flawlessly.
Fair enough on the honesty, but if it was a prerelease gun then essentially it was given to you to find an error to be addressed, you tested found an error, they fixed it, never had issue again.. boom all is well, but definitely interesting vid
The solution for Walther should have been to never change the basic ppq design so much on the slide in the first place. They could have just made relief cuts to lighten the slide for the faster cycling, but no they cheapened the design of a proven firearm. I know trying to lowering production cost is way of business, but you can’t sacrifice reliability while cutting corners to save a few bucks. This gun hasn’t been received well over on walther forum by a lot of die hard Walther fans because of these design changes that have obviously cheapened the ppq platform. I will not be buying one of these. I have 2 ppq’s that have made me a fan of the design and this new sc is different enough that I don’t trust it to be as durable and reliable as the others. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it Walther.
PROTECTIVE RAILROAD DAD I feel the same way. They over complicated an already great design.
Agreed. They should've just kept the same design as the PPQ.
Exactly!! The PPQ is already such a perfect design!!
@@MikeMikeActual I wonder where Walther will go from here. The PPQ design is proven but it's almost 10 years old now. I would love to see what Walther will come up with when they move away from the PPQ design into their next flagship handguns.
Sorry to jump in 2 yrs late, but you're wrong. They did this design on purpose to make it a polymer piece on the inside specifically for weight-savings as this would be a conceal carry gun. The full size PPQ has a steel interior which obviously they were interested in weight savings in the SC model.
I was going to go buy one of these tonight but now I'll save a little more money and stick with Kimber.
I would not give up on the SC. We either had a one-off defect or a "first run" type issue since ours was one of the first to hit the street. Check out our full review and our "Problem Fixed" video. The replacement is working flawlessly.
Thanks but I went and bought another Kimber. I have several of them now and haven't found another manufacture that I like as much as Kimber. I'm looking forward to going to the range this weekend with my new 9mm ACP Kimber Micro.
I see where others have the same flaw, so even though it doesn't grab on every unit, Walther _should_ do a recall. That's an obvious error that probably happened after engineering when the production was set up. Most likely Walther will take the least expensive way out and just grind a steep ramp at the rear of the slide piece to raise the cartridge up. I and others had a similar casing-grab issue with the Ruger LCP 2, where the casing would hang up on the barrel opening if the cartridge was slightly to the left of barrel center. Ruger didn't mill a bevel at the chamber opening, so the casing protrusion caught there and resulted in a failure to feed.
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I am quite curious to see what they do about this. Ours should be back shortly.
Hammer Striker Do you know if this problem has been addressed by walther
I just bought a PPQ SC and love the pistol and own a PPS M2, but wanted more capacity and a smoother trigger pull. The issue I have is sometimes my slide doesn’t fully return to battery but not as bad as yours BUT if I load 15 bullets in the 15 round mag, I can’t get the mag to lock in place without physically slamming my hand on it to forcefully shutting the mag in place. It’s absurd really and I don’t think that is normal. It would not be practical in a self defense situation which is why I bought the pistol. Concerned and confused. Any help/thoughts?!
I would actually contact Walther. My customer service experience with them was excellent and they should take care of any problem that it has.
Hammer Striker just emailed them. Hope to hear back within the next week.
Was going to get a Walther but just like so many made today....total garbage. Thank you for posting they won't get my bread....junk
What keeps this from happening during live fire? The force of the slide reciprocating from the round itself going off?
I suspect that the recoil impulse makes the top round bounce just enough to skip right over the hump. We had no live-fire issues at all.
Hammer Striker I figured such was the case. Very interesting Walther changed the design as much as they did.
Not having this issue with mine
I bought mine August of 2019 and it's not protrude up have they fixed it when did you buy yours?
This one was one of the very first that hit the streets so I think it was an exception, the replacement has had zero issues (we did do an update video) so if yours is fine it will likely stay that way.
What was the response after sending it off? I'm currently in the market for a subcompact and it looks like it's coming down to either the VP9SK or PPQ SC for me.
They replaced it entirely and the new one has been flawless.
Vp9sk.. I do not have a single regret with mine.
I just inspected my PPQSC and it’s designed the same way regarding the feed ramp. I’ve put a couple of hundred rounds through mine so far without problems but I haven’t tried to manually cycle the gun. Would it be ammo related at least in part? I use Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ at the range. Please let us know if they come up with a fix. Thanks for sharing.
I do think it is partially ammo related, some ammo will just hesitate then cycle and others would hang up totally. I am a pretty strong guy so I can normally bull past any resistance, but on some ammo it just wasn't happening.
Hammer Striker
Have you tried S&B?
That part is NOT the feed ramp! It's called the stripper rail. Come on, man.
I have this same problem with a defensive round I use. I can manually cycle every kind of round I use on my 509 except for my Lehigh Extreme Defense rounds. I'm guessing it's the odd shape of the tips. But I'm not willing to give them up. But maybe I should. Laters.
Some firearms just don't like the Lehigh Extremes due to the projectile shape, other than that they seem to be good rounds.
I would change Ammo smfh
That is very dangerous malfunction, luckily you weren’t in a self defense situation when it happened smh.
This happened very early on (and has been fully resolved), it had not passed initial testing for carry yet.
Im assuming they fixed this issue? I was hoping to pick one of these up as a ccw pistol..
Yes, we have a follow up video where we received the replacement. Then proceeded to do a 1000 round test on it. Good gun!
Hammer Striker So buying one in 2019 should be safe to go then?
Interesting. I haven’t had this issue but I wonder if I will when the gun breaks in.
It appears to have been a manufacturing defect in this specific one, the replaced the gun and we haven't had an issue since. If you are interested in all the details check out our "It's back ..." video.
Walther payed for shipping both ways? Sig charged me both ways
I have a Walther PPQ SC and have had zero problems with it yet.
The replacement has been flawless since it came back as well.
Hammer Striker good too hear that. Also, good to hear there turnaround was quick.
Is this a problem that exist from the first time you have ever tacked this gun from purchase????
Yes, it was a Day 1 issue. Ours was also one of the first batches, we scored it before they were really available. The replacement has been flawless so I think they had some "initial batch" parts issues.
I don't understand why Walther added polymer to make the slide lighter. The PPQ is already plagued with a higher bore axis than most striker fired guns and it is already too light. If you're going to have a higher bore axis, you better add a couple of ounces.
I have a regular PPQ with about 350 rounds through with zero issues. I've been thinking about getting the SC also for magazine compatibility. Now I'm not so sure.
Neal Leavitt mags aren’t compatible... dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from a gun manufacturer and I love my Walthers. Walther has a sure thing with this pistol and they screwed it up
Old Milk3 are you talking about the PPQ first version. The one with the lever magazine release. Yea those mags aren't compatible. I have the PPQ M2 which has the same button as on the SC
Neal Leavitt your M2 mags will not work. They changed the mag geometry slightly so you need to buy new PPQSC 15 rd mags if you want to have 15rds. If you use your m2 mags you run the risk of over inserting the mag and causing malfunctions and damage to the firearm
Old Milk3 wow, that's crazy. I'm gonna pass on the SC then. It's funny. Almost every other manufacturer allows the larger model mags to fit the smaller model.
Thanks for the heads up. I really thought the 15 round mag that comes with the SC was the same except for the grip sleeve.
Neal Leavitt I was thinking the same thing bc I have a ton of ppq mags... I just went ahead and bought a p99c instead... I have a p99 and guess what? The 15 rd mags work in the compact!!!
You had me worried my wife's does not do that how many rounds has been to that gun she hasn't had a 350 rounds through it could it be worn out
This has been resolved, we did a follow up video on the resolution then a 2000 round test on the replacement gun. She should have no issues with hers.
@@HammerStriker recently I bought my daughter the g 2.. my wife had to get one she always wanted the Walther PPK but we have so many better choices so she bought a Walther PPQ SC easily concealable. I have not been able to jam either one of these weapons for my money that G2 for $174 or 500 for the PPQ SC if you're in a bind try out the Taurus I have nothing but positive things to say don't buy a Hi-Point for $20 more if you can get did you see lifetime warranty to 12-round magazines
walther will make it right
They usually do fix their issues, Walther has been good to deal with any time I have needed to.
Dremel. Don't be scared.
Did Walther ever resolve this?
Yes, we did a follow up then a 2000 round test on the replacement and it ran flawlessly.
I called Walther and they are ending the PPQ sc this year:(
That might explain why I can't currently find PPQ SC online...
Appreciate the video and addressing of the problem, but what you are pointing to is NOT the loading ramp; another comment specifies what is is. If you're going to instruct us, you need to at least know your parts.
That's not good....
Won't be buying one anyway. Walther refuses to produce any of their latest models in a M1 configuration, the SC, Q4 tac, Q5 match, PPQ .45 acp. Kinda disappointing because I absolutely love the paddle mag release. I carry a PPQ daily and was looking forward to a sub version, buying a VP9 SK instead.
Q4 tac has their classic model with paddle style release..
As does the q5 series
i was super excited about this gun when it was released, but sadly it is not worth the money : (
What was the outcome. Just found your vid.
They replaced the gun and we have done a follow up on both that as well as a 2000 round test to determine the reliability.
Would probably help if I read the description lol. Thank you for replying. Your vids are great. I own two PPQ’s. 9mm with European mag release and a PPQ .45. Love them.
Trying to lose the glock fanboy status.
Jesus do they even shoot their guns before releasing them to the market?
Nice vid.
Thank you. I am hoping this is a one-off and not a product-wide issue, we shall see.
The name of Jesus is holy. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain.
I haven't had this issue with mine
It appears to be a very narrow issue, I think they may have just had a few out-of-spec parts get into the supply as I am only hearing of a few other cases.
change the ammo lol G2
I like that gun but anymore is garbaje....
People be warned... The new SC version of the PPQ is not of the same quality as the standard versions.
You won't see that in the Hk VP9/VP9SK product line. My first striker fired poly gun and I'm thoroughly impressed.. I've got the sk and it is a tack driver.
RPRzen
The vp9 is quite good but it feels cheaper when compared to the p30/p30L
Plus all vp9 rear sights sit canted and that’s what bothered me more so.
The vp9 is a very reliable weapon don’t get me wrong, I’ve run just over 1000 rds without a cleaning to test it, BUT I just couldn’t deal with the canted sight, unlike the p30s and ended up trading it. YMMV
@@thisSiteSucksHard dont quiet get what you mean by chanted rear sights. My VP9SK is the LE model with tritium sights. To me it is perfection in the hand.
RPRzen
Specifically, the slide is slightly raised on the right side making the sights not level. The slide rides on the trigger group or bar and makes the slide not perfectly flush to frame.
If I were a left handed pistol shooter it wouldn’t matter as much but I shoot pistols right handed, left eye dominant, rifles I shoot left handed tho, ymmv and glad it works good for you
@@rprzen2099 Too expensive for such a lacking trigger. Nice guns but not worth the asking price.
I have 3 ppq's including sc and I've never had that problem. I think its just you.
Internal extractor is shit, always. Walther used to be good.
Thumbs down for stupid RUclips safety check.
This is not just a "RUclips safety check".
We (and other channels like ours) do that for a purpose, it is because there are different reasons people come to RUclips. Some come purely for entertainment (which is great), but many are new to firearms and come to RUclips to learn. As safe handling procedures are the most important factor of dealing with firearms, reinforcing it is important. An inexperienced shooter viewing our videos (or others with similar mindset) will be reminded of the need to be very aware of the state of the weapon in addition to following the other safety procedures. Every once in a while you hear of somebody being shot by an "unloaded gun" (obviously it wasn't) or during the cleaning procedure. Hopefully reinforcing the need to clear a weapon that is going to be handled for a reason other than actually firing it may educate somebody and prevent a tragedy.