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When Maester Aemon told Sam “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.” The camera panned to Jon entering the room. That was the major hint in S5.
There were many subtle hints. One of the biggest is the scene in the very first episode when he has to execute the young man after he abandoned the Night's Watch. When Ned says he's performing hus duty to the name of King Robert Baratheon, the camera pans over to both Bran and Jon when he recites king of the Andals and First Men. This scene also foreshadows Jon's parentage as the rightful heir. Two people no one would ever bet on; a "bastard" and a cripple.
@@janellejulianajoy there is another hint in season 1 when jon and sam were talking there was two letters engraved on the background "RL" Which means Rhaegar And Lyanna if you want to see it just google " jon snow rl "
@@janellejulianajoy another hint at season 6 in the scene where jon snow executes the night's watch traitors there was slowed targaryen theme at the background
Always liked that "Lyanna" Mormont named after "Lyanna" Stark was first to declare Jon the King in the North, its almost like Jon's Mom was speaking to him
@@SnailHatanIt’s not a stretch at all. Lyanna Mormont was given her first name for “Jon”’s mom, Rhaegar’s wife Lyanna. Not just because Lyanna is a common name or something.
"It's almost like" no its not you plank Your false equivalency it's the same as me saying pudgey looks like Barney because she's wearing a purple t shirt The name is a clear hint and relation to Jon's real parentage, but it's not her mom's spirit through lyanna just because they have the same bloody name you absolute potato
"Stay for a thousand years" is my favourite but sadly the lyrics are never sung on the show. "Mhysa" is also fantastic....oh bugga it! ALL the music is the only reason I can stand the final 2 seasons.
You're confusing Littlefinger with Varys -- Varys is the one who's always said he wasn't interested in the throne, that he served the realm. Littlefinger has always wanted the throne from day one -- the Stark vs. Lannister feud he manipulated through Lysa was all part of that plan.
Disagree. Baelish doesn't want the Throne. He wants power yes but his skills are operating in shadows. The actor Aidan Gillen said as much. That dialogue was trash writing.
Neither of them want the throne directly. Difference is Varys genuinely wants a decent ruler who benefits all, Littlefinger wants someone who benefits him.
And before that when he snitched on lyanna and Rhegar on the kings road heading back to Vale and told Brandon which he hates that Brandon sister was kidnapped by the prince just to get cat
@johnnyskinwalker4095 Disagree. Season 1, when asked what he wants, Littlefinger says, "Ohh, everything. All that there is." You don't get anywhere close to that working in the shadows. And varys said he was one of the most dangerous people in the realm. He'd burn the world to be king of the ashes
39:14 Cersei definitely *DID NOT* anticipate Tommen's death. She thought she could prevent it by protecting him. She never foresaw that he would be so heartbroken over Margaery that he would kill himself. It's a very common trope that when you try to avoid prophecy, it still happens. You might even precipitate it.
I think she felt betrayed by Tommen's conversion to the sparrows and his outlawing of trial by combat (which would have sealed her fate, had she gone to the trial). She was obviously sad about his death and wanted to avoid it, but couldn't allow herself to grieve.
What I really love in this episode is when Jon tells Sansa “we cannot fight a war amongst ourselves.” It’s exactly what Ned tells Arya in season 1 episode 3.
she is an amazing actress. Probably not the number one in this show, but only because there are some perfect actors beside her. But I would put her in my top 5.
@@salmarwow What actress do you put ahead of her??? Lena Headey IS the #1 female actress in the show! She created one of the most unforgettable, love to hate villain in TV history!
and also Tommen says "I should have brought the sept down on their heads" paraphrasing, but yeah I think both of them gave the idea, also probably contributed to Tommens death because Cersei did the exact thing he said
Littlefinger always wanted the Iron Throne. He always wanted to climb the ladder to the top. He said it himself in S1E7 Varys: "And what do you want?" Littlefinger: "Oh...Everything"
Never liked Cersei but I had to tip my hat to her after she blew up the Sept and got rid of all her enemies in King’s Landing. True villainy excellence tbh.
But the Tyrells and her uncle were allies. Yes, she makes her final power grab in KL here, but she also destabilizes her power in the 7 Kingdoms as a whole.
She’s brilliant and stupid all in the one motion. Her trouble is she’s too driven by vengeance and desire, and too ignorant of more personal emotions, like love, hence why she doesn’t foresee how Tommen will react
It's an amazing scene for the television history. But strategically or politically speaking, this is a very big mistake. Sadly the writers were so bad, all the consequences of this nonsense would have been incredible for season 7
But in the context of the show, it was a big mistake. She would face a civil war in her hands. The common folks would came after her, the nobles would came after her, the religious people would came after her. She would had nobody to protect her, specially because the nobles would cut her from their armies. She would only have access to Lannister Army (if the other lords decide to support her, once they knew she killed her uncle and cousin) StormsLand would be in riot to decide who would be the next Lord, Reach would cut their food and gold supplies. Lets not forget that Tyrells, are the only nobles with the biggest army intact. Dorne does have a army intact. North is starting to unify again, against her. Only Riverlands is neutral. If this was not enough, the kingslanding folks would provoke riots after riots. So... i still want to know, how easy access Cersei become queen.
The entire opening scene of this episode was pure MASTERY. The imagery, the score, the plot. 10/10 ,also the big reveal ,best season finale after season 4 one.
I do find the part with the "little-bird" and Lancel a bit ridiculous. Like, if that child got things a little bit wrong, maybe Lancel saw the child coming to stab him, and quite easily overpowers the small child, then he can walk to the wildfire a put the fuse out, or just run away. The seemed to base this plan an awful lot on the competence of this child.
@@awesimo4684i think that wasn't the part of the plan, it was more to show it was this close to be prevented when Lancel noticed the kid, and to more dramatically show wildfire ignition.
I find it funny that the final sin that Loras listed himself as being guilty of was arrogance when in the end the Sparrow was too arrogant himself to see the writing that was on the wall, even when Margaery practically spelt it out for him.
4:50 Joffrey's death is not what precipitated the chaos of King's landing. It's Tywins. If Tywin was still alive the Lannisters would still have a tight grip on shit. One thing that the show unfortunately changed from the books is that Kevan, Tywin's brother, is quite competent at running shit in KL, and helping Cersei. He dies in a completely different manner, and is killed precisely because he's too effective at helping Cersei.
well if we're playing this game, it's robert's death. before that it is cersei creating Joffrey and other illegitimate "Baratheons." before that its the reign of Aerys and Rhaegar running off with Lyanna. before that it's the Dance and the death of the dragons.
@@j_fley6702 there are a lot of great episodes, for sure! Those two are amazing as well, though 9 is still difficult to watch after seeing it so many times! 😢
@@j_fley6702 oh I read that the first time and thought of 3x9, but 4x9 and 4x10 are really great, as you said. So many memorable episodes. I still don’t think I’ll ever find a show I’ll love as much!
"Honor comes easy then" Ned chose his family twice over his honor, to protect children. Ned Stark makes the right choice both times to sacrifice his honor. He is the most honorable man in the all seven Kingdoms. Us book readers are waiting for this reveal for decades now.
Stannis had a similar side to him. He doesn't want the throne he thinks it's his duty to rule. That's an honourable motivation on the surface. But it consumes him so much to the point (in the show) he decides to burn his child. He picked his duty over his daughter. GRRM puts his characters through the most interesting circumstances to bring out their true self. Ned came out a hero. Stannis couldn't.
Ned has a soft spot for children and you can say that protecting and raising them is something he holds as a high virtue, perhaps the highest. He showed this when he took in Jon, when he protected Daenerys, when he refused to take Cersei's children captive, and when he lied to protect Sansa and Arya. It's his defining characteristic.
@@Rajarshi_X Oh, he wanted it. He wanted it so much he was willing to kill his own family members, including his own brother and his wife's brother, for it.
She also died thinking Arya bran and Rickon were dead and that the starks lost winterfell and completely died with her and robb in that wedding, she literally had the saddest death
Lol.... Even at the end of this episode they were like cersei's gonna be destroyed next season.... Like, time and time again they underestimate cersei but never learn....
I believe that Cersei wore black as sort of a sadistic "mourning" dress for those killed at the Sept. And then when Tommen killed himself, it became unironic and she actually had to mourn over her son.
This is my favourite episode, Margaery is the only one to clock onto something being wrong- she's spent the last couple of series just trying to get out of the Faith predicament and left the High Sparrow to deal with Cersei. In that last moment she breaks her faith act as she realises that the High Sparrow underestimated Cersei. Also the scene with Davos and Melisandre is one of my favourites, such incredible acting from both
The jon snow reveal was one of the best moments in game of thrones. People started to cotton on about ‘promise me Ned’, and rhaegar and Lyanna before season 6 and when it was finally revealed it was epic!
More like decades earlier 😂 r+l=j was a popular book theory before the t.v show even existed. I heard about the theory back when season 3 was airing and I'm sure it came on many viewer's radar.
yes it was epic but we still don't know if this is true because GRRM book is still not out and in show they just took the most popular theory and brought it on screen
@@queenxx1690 No, GRRM was compelled to provide the showrunners the major plot points for the end of the series. The was a condition of getting the show made.
Yes and no. Honestly for me I’d rather he remain a bastard. It’s so much more interesting a story. I don’t need another story of a secret prince or chosen one.
@@gunkulator1 Except he could very well change that for the books (if he ever decides to continue it lol) GRRM also never did confirm if the showrunners were correct or not, he asked them who Jon's parents were and they gave this answer. For all we know GRRM gave the green light for them to make the show because they went with an existing fan theory and wasn't gonna spoil his actual book plot lol 🤷🏻♀️ At this point it'll be pretty silly of him to write the books the same way the show concluded.
Two things from this episode… Ned was always honorable to his oaths. No one knew about the oath he promised Lyanna. Why does Littlefinger want the throne? He wants everything. S1E7…“You know what I learned losing that duel? I learned that I’ll never win. Not that way. That’s their game, their rules. I’m not going to fight them, I’m going to f*ck them. That’s what I know, that’s what I am. And only by admitting what we are can we get what we want.”
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 that’s the point. He doesn’t want the throne but he wants EVERYTHING. His constant hints concerning chaos is everything. A disturbance anywhere and everywhere because no matter what he can control it. He is in control. He is already on that throne in his mind…as he so eloquently summed up to Sansa.
@@lalamagnoliagyrl Agreed! But like I said, it was wrong of D & D to have Baelish say he wants the Throne. He doesn't need it, he is a puppet master who wants to place his King/Queen on the Throne.
Spartan is right. The moment Tywin died, Cersei was no longer obligated to marry Loras because there was no one anymore to force her to do so. The Tyrells did not want the match either. Cersei got Loras arrested to get to Margaery to prevent the prophecy (episode 5x01) from coming true: “You will be Queen… for a time. Until there comes another, younger, more beautiful to cast you down and take everything you hold dear.” She thought Margaery was that younger, more beautiful Queen
@@olhabaliasina , ther'e's quite a few candidates vying for that spot now. Red hair, white hair, iron hair, old hair, unnamed hair, dornish hair, bear hair... :)
Spartan is right is a thing that has never happened ever. Sometimes he reaches the right conclusions but for the wrong reasons because his brain is incapable of taking the correct path.
I completely understand hating Cersei. But this is one of the few episodes where I can appreciate her. She's terrible. She was trapped. She found a way out and got rid of those scheming against her. This opening scene was great. Show her a little respect after that showing 😂
Agree with you 100%. Which powerful leader in history or 2023 does their own killing. Putin, Biden, Now see the real Cersi, she's holding back for noone.
Cersei didn't know. The one redeeming quality Cersei has is she loved her children completely. But she also knew of the prophecy about losing her children. So, when it happened, she was desolated but not surprised.
the composer is actually genius cause in GOT we have never heard piano, and this episode starting with the piano, you know something is not right. To get into the mood and feel the scene you need to watch it fully without talking over it. Trust me it's great.
The music in the opening sequence is some of the best music in the show, hands down! Easily one of my top 5 episodes in the whole series! Amazing from beginning to end.
It's atmospheric and conveys a subconscious sense of apprehension from the start with the use of piano - a sound we've never heard before, as all the other instruments in the series' soundtrack are appropriate for the age
An even sadder scene in retrospect was the last time Ned and Jon were together, Ned promised Jon that the next time they saw each other they would talk about Jon's mother.
Hey guys, I never write comments but Game of Thrones is my favorite show ever and one of my favorite stories ever (I read all the books), and this episode in particular is one of my favorites out of all of them. I just want to let you know that I love watching your reactions, I've been very depressed and struggling a lot in life, but it's been nice to watch the show again with you. It gives me at least something to look forward to during the week. Thank you for making your videos, keep at it
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I always laugh like a maniac when people react to Cercei’s plot for the first time. It’s just perfect, the plan, the suspense, the music, the execution. This episode is the only one where I was actively cheering for Cersei😂😂
Ok, this episode and any reaction to it deserves "like" before even watching. Probably the best episode we've seen so far in GoT. It has everything: perfect soundtrack, perfect script, perfect acting, everything.
@@Erik-pz3sh very much agreed Hopefully Spartans and pudgeys minds are ready for the less well done Seasons. The Queen's Justice Ep. 4 is well done and something that is Sort of fun to watch for realizing that Danny is going to have a Harder time With the war than just steamroller on in and take the throne
The white raven scene got me every time. Jon says exactly what Ned said to Arya when they were at King's Landing...with his gaze skyward thinking of his father (his uncle 😉) and the snow falling and the Starks theme playing... what a moving scene! And for the revelation that Jon is the son of Liana and Rhaegar, Ned protected this boy all his life, lied to his wife and to Robert Baratheon, his best friend... what a man! 🖤🐺
No....Cersei was dressed that way because she knew she was putting the entire sept to death. Lol...poetic essence/ justice, in a sense. She laid them to rest. She didn't send Jamie on a botch mission because she anticipated the Mountain fighting for her. She said it specifically to Jamie before he left for Riverrun. Then...the Mountain ripped off the faith militant's head....and Tommen banned trial by combat. So there's no way Cersei planned to get the throne, etc.
Ned had to lie about Jon because otherwise, Robert would have had him killed. Not only because he was a Targaryen male (future rival) but the son of Lyanna with another man, one that he hated and blamed for "stealing" his fiancée. Plus Jon is the constant reminder of the love Lyanna had for Rhaegar that she didnt have for Robert.
White ravens are sent by the Citadel to indicate the change of seasons in Westeros. At the end of season 1, Pycell said that the Citadel proclaimed that the “great,” 10-year summer an end, thus autumn begun. It has been autumn this whole time, from season 2 till now. Winter has came!
No many people does .... These guys just accumulated so much hate for her, they couldn't enjoy her victory.... Their loss.... Because as a neutral viewer I absolutely enjoyed this scene...
Yes, it was. They (showrunners and Djawadi) purposefully decided not to use the piano at the start of the show. This made the use at this point very noticeable. I adore Ramin Djawadi's music in Game of Thrones, my favorite theme is the one for House Baratheon. I saw him live do his thing at the GoT concert in Berlin, Germany. It was magical. And I think it was special for him, too. Because he could moderate us through the show in German and to be back in Germany (although the show in Cologne was probably a little closer to the heart for him, but this was the first concert in Germany during the tour).
Cersei was being truly sadistic, yes, but that nun absolutely deserved what she got. She was just as power hungry and judgmental as Cersei, just doing it within the Faith.
The Winds of Winter is my favorite episode of the show because it’s no filler from the beginning lol so much important stuff happens! Winter is Here my friends
The moment the true meaning of "A song of ice and fire" was revealed. So many things in this episode, too many to discuss in the comments. Great reaction as always!
So many STILL think it's means Jon & Dany = end game when Jon is ice and fire on his own & he is Azor Ahai who will be the reason the world is saved from both ice AND fire. He didn't literally have to kill the Night King btw, he was the reason they were ready, that got everyone on board.
I mean, that's what she said in the scene! Is it a spoiler by quoting something in the episode?... And they seemed to figure some things out in the post discussion. That scene has enough info to understand what happened, and I'm happy to see more reactors finally see it 🎉🎉🎉
@@jesses5463 In this case it wasn't. Anyone with captions on would have read it just the same off the screen as they would have reading it in the comment section. Besides which, they're several episodes ahead with their Patreon schedule, so it's not really possible to spoil them on much at this point.
Gotta hand it over to the soundtrack composer Ramin Djawadi here in this episode. The beautiful yet unnerving soundtrack at the beginning has quickly become my favourite in the whole show.
I actually love this Cersei moment.... sort of like Michael Corleone in the last Godfather scene... settles all score. It was a master stroke. As she said, she chose violence.
What do you mean? she failed to protect Tommen, she killed the Tyrells (losing her biggest suppporters, so no food from High Garden, how will she feed people?) she killed her uncle and cousin (losing Casterly Rock support), she killed the High Sparrow and burned down the holiest building in their world (making enemies with everyone), somehow she becomes queen even though she has no power or claim to the iron throne, have you forgotten how succession works? She even turned nobles and smallfolk alike into ash, she's surrounded by enemies, you think this makes her a great villain? she literally made no intelligent decisions this episode.
I'm surprised that you guys were confused about Jon's parentage, I feel like you pick up everything haha! At this point in the show, it's not a theory, so I don't think me explaining is a "spoiler," I'm just providing clarity. Robert's Rebellion started due to Lyanna's disappearance with Rhaegar (presumed to be kidnapped). Rhaegar was keeping Lyanna hidden at the Tower of Joy throughout the war (the tower seen in this season). At this point in the story when Ned goes to "save" her, the Mad King and Rhaegar are both dead. An important thing to note is that Rhaegar left two of his best Kingsguard to keep guard at the Tower of Joy with Lyanna, while Rhaegar was fighting Robert. Wouldn't you think he would keep his Kingsguard with him to fight? But he didn't so why would you think that is? To protect Lyanna and his child. It's not really fleshed out in the show, but a big point in the first book of the series during Ned's POV chapters, was his recalling Lyanna's last moments and her last words to him - "Promise me, Ned." That is shown here, along with her saying, "They will kill him and you know it." She is telling him that he has to keep Jon's identity as Rhaegar's son secret because Robert would kill him if he knew. And so, when Ned returned to Winterfell with a newborn Jon, he told everyone that he was his bastard to honor his promise to his dead sister.
Exactly! I cannot believe they couldn't piece it together! I'm they're like "maybe he's Targaryan?"!!! The enormity of the revelation completely flew over their heads.
"Light of the Seven" is my alarm and ringtone 😂 I adore this episode beyond words. It's impossible to wrap your head around how much is packed into it. Just absolutely epic!
I'm still shocked that they seemed to never ever not once wonder about Jon's true parentage. I know it's more obscure in the show than the books, but they were so heavy handed with it even in season 1 (at least to me, esp whenever Maester Aemon is with Jon).
@@AliS042 Average, maybe.. a dive starts relatively high.. But that one encounter Arya has on her way north,in the forest.. by a fire.. I physically facepalmed on the premiere.
I agree. While I think S6 had it's flaws, I LOVE the finale. After seeing the Starks take loss after loss for years, It's an amazing payoff to see them finally get a win. Sadly, it was around this point the show-runners Benioff & Weiss were offered a huge deal from Disney to helm the next Star Wars project, which after S6, they were all too eager to move on from GoT.
Cersi was playing the game of thrones and won. People constantly underestimated how vengeful, ruthless and cunning she is. From Ned, to the high sparrow. Even her husband. Once they didn't kill her after she was prisoner and her walk of attonment, i thought, she is going to kill everyone. The citizens or people laughed at her, so she did not mind them as collatoral damage.
Jon's parentage is the best kept secret that was brilliantly hinted at in A Game of Thrones with Lyanna's Promise me, Ned... GRRM mastery of tale-weaving.
I remember the first time I watch this I thought Margaery survived for some reason... Her character was so good I refuse to believe they will just kill her off just like that. Even during season 7 I was still waiting for her. 😂
Spartan mentions the piano giving a vibe at the beginning of the video... Fun Fact: this is the first time in the entire show that a piano is used in the score, and Ramin Djawadi specifically picked it so that it'd feel a bit off-putting since you've never heard a piano in Westeros before.
When I watched this episode for the first time, the score of “The Light of the Seven” really caught me off guard. It is so different for the show because this is the first time the piano was used as the main instrument
Season 5 and 6 have some illogical scenes/plots, but this episode is a bomb. It's of course weird, that they have 3 candles and this lil boy so that lancel can find the wildfire, but it's very cool and at the end we lose so many characters in one scene and Jon and danny give me goosebumps everytime
@@flakekekekeyeah, but to be honest there were already bad changes/decisions before they ran out of the source material. There are also fantastic changes and new scenes, for example arya and tywin at harrenhall or the conversation of cercei and robert, but the whole dorne plot for example or the stuff in the free cities. I can understand that they didn't adapt the books 1:1, there are so many characters and twists, and when you produce a show with such a budget you need also those who don't pay attention to details and who don't remember what they ate for breakfast, so I can understand they don't have the young griff. But why have they changed the northern vassals to illoyal bannermen? Why have they ruined the genius of Prince Martell? Also: George r r martin doesn't want to have a story where you have bad vs good, there are soo many theories about the white walkers and their king and their motivation. What do we get? Nothing. In the books we do have some loyal freys, in the show? Nope, they are all bad. That's lame and bad writing
This was probably one of the happiest days in my life, when all this happened. Which is even more surprising, considering the fact that we had Dany's return and the Battle of the bastards in the previous episode.
if no one else, it at least cracks ME up that the first time you guys saw the window tommen jump out of was when aegon was standing in it cranking his hog in house of the dragon
The Light of the Seven trial sequence and the Tower of joy sequence are an exquisite piece of art 🖤 The music, cinematography and story progression is so amazing🙌 Also, the built-up for R+L=J is insane...it blows my mind that book lovers have waited for it since decades...and even I waited for it for ~4 years!!!
Spartan saying Dany should know her place is funny 😂😂. Dany is to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms not Queen of the South. The seven kingdoms are there because of her family, the Seven Kingdoms are the Targaryens
Arya killing Walder Frey was foreshadowed when Bran told Jojan and Meera the story about the cook that served a lord his sons in a pie because he broke the guest protection law and killed guests under his roof. The Stark kids obviously took Old Nan's stories and REALLY listened. 😅 Varys once said " Littlefinger would let the realm burn if he could be king of the ashes" so Littlefinger HAS had ambitions for the throne, just not Varys.
That's not how the story went. The cook was the one who broke guest rights and killed a guest under his roof. The gods then turned him into a rat as punishment for it.
Cersei didn't do anything again? Hmmm. -- Did Tywin personally kill everyone at The Red Wedding? -- Did STANNIS (top guy and great, misunderstood leader of men) personally stab Renley in the back? -- Did Palpatine personally kill every Jedi during Order 66? -- Did Saruman personally blow up the impregnable wall of Helm's Deep? Double standards off the charts! So basically folks, they'd have some respect for Cersei if she were leaping about King's Landing personally offing all her enemies like it was Assassin's Creed?
Seems like spartan doesnt like villians or antagonist in shows lol, I never really liked cersei but after this episode she became my fav character, her getting her revenge and end up sitting in the iron throne felt so satisfying
@@madeleinehoward3418Stannis is a classic tragic character, because he actually has moments of moral tension. Cersei never does, she's consistently vicious, cruel and petty. They are not at all equivalent.
THIS IS MY 2ND FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE SERIES. Right after Battle of The Bastards. The music, the cinematography, the acting, the tension building, the writing, the twists, etc ALL ARE JUST SO SO GOOD!
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@@Helion_Prime Yes !!
Best comment I've seen under this episode is "Tommen showing us all why it's called Kings landing"
R+L=J will be posted now or at the end of S7? Cheers!
@@chipsthedog1 lol I hadn't heard that one before. I like to say he had a sudden urge to join the westeros diving team.
When Maester Aemon told Sam “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.” The camera panned to Jon entering the room. That was the major hint in S5.
There were many subtle hints. One of the biggest is the scene in the very first episode when he has to execute the young man after he abandoned the Night's Watch. When Ned says he's performing hus duty to the name of King Robert Baratheon, the camera pans over to both Bran and Jon when he recites king of the Andals and First Men. This scene also foreshadows Jon's parentage as the rightful heir.
Two people no one would ever bet on; a "bastard" and a cripple.
@@janellejulianajoy watch the spoilers guy
@@janellejulianajoy there is another hint in season 1 when jon and sam were talking there was two letters engraved on the background "RL" Which means Rhaegar And Lyanna if you want to see it just google " jon snow rl "
@@janellejulianajoy another hint at season 6 in the scene where jon snow executes the night's watch traitors there was slowed targaryen theme at the background
Too on the nose 😅
Also crazy that there were 2 then when he said it
Always liked that "Lyanna" Mormont named after "Lyanna" Stark was first to declare Jon the King in the North, its almost like Jon's Mom was speaking to him
That's really cool. I never thought of it that way
Eh, that’s a stretch.
@@SnailHatanhow? they literally made a point to mention how she was named after lyanna stark
@@SnailHatanIt’s not a stretch at all. Lyanna Mormont was given her first name for “Jon”’s mom, Rhaegar’s wife Lyanna. Not just because Lyanna is a common name or something.
"It's almost like" no its not you plank
Your false equivalency it's the same as me saying pudgey looks like Barney because she's wearing a purple t shirt
The name is a clear hint and relation to Jon's real parentage, but it's not her mom's spirit through lyanna just because they have the same bloody name you absolute potato
The "Light of the Seven" theme has to be one of the best scores in the entirety of television history. All hail Ramin Djawadi !
Amen. I listen to it daily
The music for the show is out of this world 🥰
Yeah it's on one of my playlists on Spotify for when I read books
"Stay for a thousand years" is my favourite but sadly the lyrics are never sung on the show. "Mhysa" is also fantastic....oh bugga it! ALL the music is the only reason I can stand the final 2 seasons.
Ramin Djawadi is my religion
You're confusing Littlefinger with Varys -- Varys is the one who's always said he wasn't interested in the throne, that he served the realm. Littlefinger has always wanted the throne from day one -- the Stark vs. Lannister feud he manipulated through Lysa was all part of that plan.
Disagree. Baelish doesn't want the Throne. He wants power yes but his skills are operating in shadows. The actor Aidan Gillen said as much. That dialogue was trash writing.
Neither of them want the throne directly. Difference is Varys genuinely wants a decent ruler who benefits all, Littlefinger wants someone who benefits him.
And before that when he snitched on lyanna and Rhegar on the kings road heading back to Vale and told Brandon which he hates that Brandon sister was kidnapped by the prince just to get cat
@@williamerazo3921 Yep
@johnnyskinwalker4095 Disagree. Season 1, when asked what he wants, Littlefinger says, "Ohh, everything. All that there is." You don't get anywhere close to that working in the shadows. And varys said he was one of the most dangerous people in the realm. He'd burn the world to be king of the ashes
39:14 Cersei definitely *DID NOT* anticipate Tommen's death. She thought she could prevent it by protecting him. She never foresaw that he would be so heartbroken over Margaery that he would kill himself. It's a very common trope that when you try to avoid prophecy, it still happens. You might even precipitate it.
It wouldn't be prophesy if you could avoid it.
Agreed!
Just ask Oedipus lol
I think she felt betrayed by Tommen's conversion to the sparrows and his outlawing of trial by combat (which would have sealed her fate, had she gone to the trial). She was obviously sad about his death and wanted to avoid it, but couldn't allow herself to grieve.
Agree. She wouldn't have bothered sending the Mountain to keep him from going if she thought he was going to die.
What I really love in this episode is when Jon tells Sansa “we cannot fight a war amongst ourselves.” It’s exactly what Ned tells Arya in season 1 episode 3.
Jon read the Dance of the Dragons and knows what his ancestors went through.
I have to say it: Lena Headey is an amazing smirker 😂
Game of Smirks
she is an amazing actress. Probably not the number one in this show, but only because there are some perfect actors beside her. But I would put her in my top 5.
Her best episode by some way.
@@salmarwow What actress do you put ahead of her??? Lena Headey IS the #1 female actress in the show! She created one of the most unforgettable, love to hate villain in TV history!
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Arya gives the audience a clue when she says "They're already here 'MY LORD' " calling back to her conversation with Tywin at Harrenhall.
olenna: what are going to do cersei? are you going to kill them all?
cersei: thanks for the advise
🍷🤔‘I do still have that cache of wildfire’
Lol... Nice one Anthony😂
Olenna's specialty is suggesting genocide I guess
and also Tommen says "I should have brought the sept down on their heads" paraphrasing, but yeah I think both of them gave the idea, also probably contributed to Tommens death because Cersei did the exact thing he said
LMFAO
Littlefinger always wanted the Iron Throne. He always wanted to climb the ladder to the top. He said it himself in S1E7
Varys: "And what do you want?"
Littlefinger: "Oh...Everything"
Exactly
Spartan is not the sharpest dragon-glass in the mine. 🤷🏽♂️
Yes, as soon as he said that, we knew he was mistaken yet again. Misremembering the conversation, attributing Varys' words to Littlefinger.
Littlefinger said more than once that he wanted everything
The scene with Arya feeding Walder Frey his family mirrored Bran's story of the rat cook and the king after the red wedding.
I like to think that she did it on purpose for the symbolism, since it's a northern tale
Nice - she would have heard the story from Old Nan too.
It's also a callback to a theory from the books, about "Frey pies."
Gotta love Wyman Manderly and his love of pie, Frey Pies!
It is a common tale in the North so Arya would have heard about it as a child the same as Bran.
Never liked Cersei but I had to tip my hat to her after she blew up the Sept and got rid of all her enemies in King’s Landing. True villainy excellence tbh.
She’s the one who put herself in that position though by giving them power to begin with lol
But the Tyrells and her uncle were allies.
Yes, she makes her final power grab in KL here, but she also destabilizes her power in the 7 Kingdoms as a whole.
She’s brilliant and stupid all in the one motion. Her trouble is she’s too driven by vengeance and desire, and too ignorant of more personal emotions, like love, hence why she doesn’t foresee how Tommen will react
It's an amazing scene for the television history. But strategically or politically speaking, this is a very big mistake. Sadly the writers were so bad, all the consequences of this nonsense would have been incredible for season 7
But in the context of the show, it was a big mistake. She would face a civil war in her hands. The common folks would came after her, the nobles would came after her, the religious people would came after her. She would had nobody to protect her, specially because the nobles would cut her from their armies. She would only have access to Lannister Army (if the other lords decide to support her, once they knew she killed her uncle and cousin) StormsLand would be in riot to decide who would be the next Lord, Reach would cut their food and gold supplies. Lets not forget that Tyrells, are the only nobles with the biggest army intact. Dorne does have a army intact. North is starting to unify again, against her. Only Riverlands is neutral. If this was not enough, the kingslanding folks would provoke riots after riots. So... i still want to know, how easy access Cersei become queen.
The entire opening scene of this episode was pure MASTERY. The imagery, the score, the plot. 10/10 ,also the big reveal ,best season finale after season 4 one.
I do find the part with the "little-bird" and Lancel a bit ridiculous. Like, if that child got things a little bit wrong, maybe Lancel saw the child coming to stab him, and quite easily overpowers the small child, then he can walk to the wildfire a put the fuse out, or just run away. The seemed to base this plan an awful lot on the competence of this child.
@@awesimo4684i think that wasn't the part of the plan, it was more to show it was this close to be prevented when Lancel noticed the kid, and to more dramatically show wildfire ignition.
Meh
The entire episode
Best 15 min of television
I find it funny that the final sin that Loras listed himself as being guilty of was arrogance when in the end the Sparrow was too arrogant himself to see the writing that was on the wall, even when Margaery practically spelt it out for him.
4:50 Joffrey's death is not what precipitated the chaos of King's landing. It's Tywins. If Tywin was still alive the Lannisters would still have a tight grip on shit. One thing that the show unfortunately changed from the books is that Kevan, Tywin's brother, is quite competent at running shit in KL, and helping Cersei. He dies in a completely different manner, and is killed precisely because he's too effective at helping Cersei.
Technically, Tywin died because Joffrey died first.
well if we're playing this game, it's robert's death. before that it is cersei creating Joffrey and other illegitimate "Baratheons." before that its the reign of Aerys and Rhaegar running off with Lyanna.
before that it's the Dance and the death of the dragons.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 This is all Otto's fault lol
@@d3l3tes00n lol it's Viserys's fault
@@d3l3tes00n Its always someone else's fault LOL
I’ll be honest. This is my favourite episode in the entire series. Absolutely incredible.
6x9, 6x10 are incredible. 8x3 is my other top episode. These two back to back were incredible.
I agree
@@alicia1465 I think 4x9 and 4x10 back to back are right up there too! I probably like 4x9 better than 6x9, but 6x10 is the GOAT episode
@@j_fley6702 there are a lot of great episodes, for sure! Those two are amazing as well, though 9 is still difficult to watch after seeing it so many times! 😢
@@j_fley6702 oh I read that the first time and thought of 3x9, but 4x9 and 4x10 are really great, as you said. So many memorable episodes. I still don’t think I’ll ever find a show I’ll love as much!
"Honor comes easy then" Ned chose his family twice over his honor, to protect children. Ned Stark makes the right choice both times to sacrifice his honor. He is the most honorable man in the all seven Kingdoms. Us book readers are waiting for this reveal for decades now.
Stannis had a similar side to him. He doesn't want the throne he thinks it's his duty to rule. That's an honourable motivation on the surface. But it consumes him so much to the point (in the show) he decides to burn his child. He picked his duty over his daughter. GRRM puts his characters through the most interesting circumstances to bring out their true self. Ned came out a hero. Stannis couldn't.
Ned has a soft spot for children and you can say that protecting and raising them is something he holds as a high virtue, perhaps the highest. He showed this when he took in Jon, when he protected Daenerys, when he refused to take Cersei's children captive, and when he lied to protect Sansa and Arya. It's his defining characteristic.
Protecting your family.. especially children.. is extremely honorable.
@@Rajarshi_X Oh, he wanted it. He wanted it so much he was willing to kill his own family members, including his own brother and his wife's brother, for it.
He's gotta be one of the top 5 dumbest in the seven kingdoms as well.
One of the worst thing is that Catelyn died without knowing the truth about Jon and Ned's loyalty
She also died thinking Arya bran and Rickon were dead and that the starks lost winterfell and completely died with her and robb in that wedding, she literally had the saddest death
Couple episodes ago you said Cersei looks defeated and not so ruthless anymore, episode 10 she said hold my wine glass😂
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Lol.... Even at the end of this episode they were like cersei's gonna be destroyed next season.... Like, time and time again they underestimate cersei but never learn....
@@Rash23215 exactly, like she's one of the best character in the show
That was my thought when they were saying Ramsay was worse than joffery. Cersie like hold my wine..lol
@@KSDVLmom Cersei has one redeeming quality which is the love of her children. Joffrey and Ramsay dont have any redeeming qualities at all.
I believe that Cersei wore black as sort of a sadistic "mourning" dress for those killed at the Sept. And then when Tommen killed himself, it became unironic and she actually had to mourn over her son.
To me, Cersei's black armored dress in that scene is one of, if not the most iconic piece of wardrobe in the whole series
17:41 the high septon was scared shitless he finally realized who he was dealing with at the end the expression of true fear was all over his face 😮
It couldn't have happened to a better person lol
@@d3l3tes00n he forgot to embrace it he finally got to meet his god 😆
It was so satasfying to see after 2 seasons of listening to that boring zealot ramble on.
This is my favourite episode, Margaery is the only one to clock onto something being wrong- she's spent the last couple of series just trying to get out of the Faith predicament and left the High Sparrow to deal with Cersei. In that last moment she breaks her faith act as she realises that the High Sparrow underestimated Cersei.
Also the scene with Davos and Melisandre is one of my favourites, such incredible acting from both
It's so funny because everyone watching this reaction had the same smirk Cercei had when that wildfire went off XD
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I would've bent the knee for the badassery
What a complete bitch, but what a legend- was my reaction.
The Game of Smirks never ends.
Everyone watching the scene itself.
"Since when does Littlefinger want the Iron Throne?"
HUUHHHH??????????????????????
The jon snow reveal was one of the best moments in game of thrones. People started to cotton on about ‘promise me Ned’, and rhaegar and Lyanna before season 6 and when it was finally revealed it was epic!
More like decades earlier 😂 r+l=j was a popular book theory before the t.v show even existed. I heard about the theory back when season 3 was airing and I'm sure it came on many viewer's radar.
yes it was epic but we still don't know if this is true because GRRM book is still not out and in show they just took the most popular theory and brought it on screen
@@queenxx1690 No, GRRM was compelled to provide the showrunners the major plot points for the end of the series. The was a condition of getting the show made.
Yes and no. Honestly for me I’d rather he remain a bastard. It’s so much more interesting a story. I don’t need another story of a secret prince or chosen one.
@@gunkulator1 Except he could very well change that for the books (if he ever decides to continue it lol) GRRM also never did confirm if the showrunners were correct or not, he asked them who Jon's parents were and they gave this answer. For all we know GRRM gave the green light for them to make the show because they went with an existing fan theory and wasn't gonna spoil his actual book plot lol 🤷🏻♀️ At this point it'll be pretty silly of him to write the books the same way the show concluded.
Two things from this episode…
Ned was always honorable to his oaths. No one knew about the oath he promised Lyanna.
Why does Littlefinger want the throne? He wants everything. S1E7…“You know what I learned losing that duel? I learned that I’ll never win. Not that way. That’s their game, their rules. I’m not going to fight them, I’m going to f*ck them. That’s what I know, that’s what I am. And only by admitting what we are can we get what we want.”
Baelish doesn't want the Throne. He wants to rule in shadows. D & D do not understand the character.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 that’s the point. He doesn’t want the throne but he wants EVERYTHING. His constant hints concerning chaos is everything. A disturbance anywhere and everywhere because no matter what he can control it. He is in control. He is already on that throne in his mind…as he so eloquently summed up to Sansa.
@@lalamagnoliagyrl Agreed! But like I said, it was wrong of D & D to have Baelish say he wants the Throne. He doesn't need it, he is a puppet master who wants to place his King/Queen on the Throne.
Spartan is right. The moment Tywin died, Cersei was no longer obligated to marry Loras because there was no one anymore to force her to do so. The Tyrells did not want the match either.
Cersei got Loras arrested to get to Margaery to prevent the prophecy (episode 5x01) from coming true: “You will be Queen… for a time. Until there comes another, younger, more beautiful to cast you down and take everything you hold dear.”
She thought Margaery was that younger, more beautiful Queen
Yes, but the real one "younger and more beautiful" will be a shocker😅
@@olhabaliasina But what a story!
@@olhabaliasina , ther'e's quite a few candidates vying for that spot now. Red hair, white hair, iron hair, old hair, unnamed hair, dornish hair, bear hair... :)
She thought Sansa was that younger more beautiful Queen first which explains her treatment of her.
Spartan is right is a thing that has never happened ever. Sometimes he reaches the right conclusions but for the wrong reasons because his brain is incapable of taking the correct path.
I completely understand hating Cersei. But this is one of the few episodes where I can appreciate her. She's terrible. She was trapped. She found a way out and got rid of those scheming against her. This opening scene was great. Show her a little respect after that showing 😂
No, it's easier for them to justify the sparrows.😏It was the most gorgeous moment!🍷
Agree with you 100%. Which powerful leader in history or 2023 does their own killing. Putin, Biden, Now see the real Cersi, she's holding back for noone.
A Lennister always pays his debts
Yeah, Cercei is playing the game to the fullest. I can't help but respect the hustle.
Cersei is amazing. These 2 are just bitter apples.
Cersei didn't know. The one redeeming quality Cersei has is she loved her children completely. But she also knew of the prophecy about losing her children. So, when it happened, she was desolated but not surprised.
Agreed
But her love is very toxic. It's not Real love. She wants to possess people and her désire for power outcome everything.
That, and her cheekbones
@@Gaius__was coming to say this 😂
she MADE the prophecy come true. Prophecies aren't necessarily true
the composer is actually genius cause in GOT we have never heard piano, and this episode starting with the piano, you know something is not right.
To get into the mood and feel the scene you need to watch it fully without talking over it. Trust me it's great.
Jon becoming King in the north with the speech from this awesome Lady still gives me chills
Me too
The music in the opening sequence is some of the best music in the show, hands down! Easily one of my top 5 episodes in the whole series! Amazing from beginning to end.
It's atmospheric and conveys a subconscious sense of apprehension from the start with the use of piano - a sound we've never heard before, as all the other instruments in the series' soundtrack are appropriate for the age
An even sadder scene in retrospect was the last time Ned and Jon were together, Ned promised Jon that the next time they saw each other they would talk about Jon's mother.
Hey guys, I never write comments but Game of Thrones is my favorite show ever and one of my favorite stories ever (I read all the books), and this episode in particular is one of my favorites out of all of them. I just want to let you know that I love watching your reactions, I've been very depressed and struggling a lot in life, but it's been nice to watch the show again with you. It gives me at least something to look forward to during the week. Thank you for making your videos, keep at it
Thanks for the kind words Andrew ❤🙏🏼 we're sorry to hear you're going through a tough time, we send you strength and love from us both in the wars to come, stay strong and fight until winter is over! 💪🏼
@@SpartanandPudgey Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you.
That’s all littlefinger has wanted was the throne throughout the show it’s why he started everything.
You could have Spartan write that 100 times on a blackboard and he still wouldn't get it.
I am thinking of that scene in season 1 where Varys tells him "when you imagine yourself up there, does the crown fit?" or something like that.
Just fyi, if Rhaegar is Jon’s father as you’re theorizing, Danny would be Jon’s aunt as Rhaegar is her brother.
They figured that one out, Pudgie said Jon would be Dany's nephew
Pudgey's got the family trees down pat.
@@SidV101 - I still don't know why Spartan ever doubts Queen Pudgie's theories. She's basically always right.
And he is almost always wrong
I love how we can see the gears working in Pudgey’s head as she tries to tease apart the secrets of this show! So good
I always laugh like a maniac when people react to Cercei’s plot for the first time. It’s just perfect, the plan, the suspense, the music, the execution. This episode is the only one where I was actively cheering for Cersei😂😂
You forgot to mention her ear dress! It adds to the whole thing
Ok, this episode and any reaction to it deserves "like" before even watching. Probably the best episode we've seen so far in GoT. It has everything: perfect soundtrack, perfect script, perfect acting, everything.
The true final 😢
Perfect script? It has a lot of payoff and loves every single plot along, but there were still holes in the script
Best episode of Game of Thrones by a mile I'd say. There are better seasons, not better episodes.
there are episodes i liked more than this one,but for me this is the last 10/10 Episode after S4.
Meh
Yes it is
@@Erik-pz3sh very much agreed Hopefully Spartans and pudgeys minds are ready for the less well done Seasons. The Queen's Justice Ep. 4 is well done and something that is Sort of fun to watch for realizing that Danny is going to have a Harder time With the war than just steamroller on in and take the throne
This episode is among the downfalls of the show. Most of the best stuff was season 3 and 4. Also blackwater is up there for me.
The white raven scene got me every time. Jon says exactly what Ned said to Arya when they were at King's Landing...with his gaze skyward thinking of his father (his uncle 😉) and the snow falling and the Starks theme playing... what a moving scene! And for the revelation that Jon is the son of Liana and Rhaegar, Ned protected this boy all his life, lied to his wife and to Robert Baratheon, his best friend... what a man! 🖤🐺
The kids were Varys’ little birds, Qyburn then corrupted them… supposedly Pycelle had abused them and then they killed him.
If anyone had a right to end his life, it was those kids.
He had white privilege so he had to go.
@@jesses5463🙄 get help dude, victim complex
No....Cersei was dressed that way because she knew she was putting the entire sept to death. Lol...poetic essence/ justice, in a sense. She laid them to rest. She didn't send Jamie on a botch mission because she anticipated the Mountain fighting for her. She said it specifically to Jamie before he left for Riverrun. Then...the Mountain ripped off the faith militant's head....and Tommen banned trial by combat. So there's no way Cersei planned to get the throne, etc.
35:13 I love the R+L = J confusion! It's pricesless!
How dare you even consider that Ned would impregnate his sister lol.
It's GOT
Been waiting for these last 2 episodes for literally ever, some of the best television I've personally seen
They came out years ago.
@@jesses5463 ... there reactions to these episodes...
@@DogwaterScrub That was probably their worst reaction in many seasons.
THAT'S MY QUEEN! You don't fuck with Cersei. One of the best written characters ever.
Ned had to lie about Jon because otherwise, Robert would have had him killed. Not only because he was a Targaryen male (future rival) but the son of Lyanna with another man, one that he hated and blamed for "stealing" his fiancée. Plus Jon is the constant reminder of the love Lyanna had for Rhaegar that she didnt have for Robert.
that's spoilery let them come to conclusions themselves
Hey come on, don't spoil it! Let them find it for themselves!
DON’T SPOIL THEM!!! DELETE
@@skyrideer2531 It's not a spoiler, not even close. and they are caught up with S7 finale.
@@skyrideer2531 They already know he's Aegon Targaryen.
Cersi says what enemies and blows them all up with wild fire😂 she's the baddest chick in game of thrones I love it.
Yes!!! 🍷
White ravens are sent by the Citadel to indicate the change of seasons in Westeros. At the end of season 1, Pycell said that the Citadel proclaimed that the “great,” 10-year summer an end, thus autumn begun.
It has been autumn this whole time, from season 2 till now. Winter has came!
Am i the only one who actually likes cersei's character then? I think she is one of the best and most complex characters in the show....
Me too. I completely agree. No one tries to understand her motives, everyone looks superficially.
YANA.
She's the worst written character by a mile now , with zero complexity.
Jon and Cercie were my 2 favorites, 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.
No many people does .... These guys just accumulated so much hate for her, they couldn't enjoy her victory.... Their loss.... Because as a neutral viewer I absolutely enjoyed this scene...
It's the first time i think ramin used piano in the show. And he knock it out of the park like everytime.
Yes, it was. They (showrunners and Djawadi) purposefully decided not to use the piano at the start of the show. This made the use at this point very noticeable.
I adore Ramin Djawadi's music in Game of Thrones, my favorite theme is the one for House Baratheon. I saw him live do his thing at the GoT concert in Berlin, Germany. It was magical. And I think it was special for him, too. Because he could moderate us through the show in German and to be back in Germany (although the show in Cologne was probably a little closer to the heart for him, but this was the first concert in Germany during the tour).
Cersei was being truly sadistic, yes, but that nun absolutely deserved what she got. She was just as power hungry and judgmental as Cersei, just doing it within the Faith.
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She's actually worse for me, because Cersei is honest about who she is and what she wants, whereas the nun hides behind the image of a good person.
That nun was awful to Margaery too
Spartan is more evil than either one of them.
@@erikperhs_ she is not worse than Cersei. lol I will say she is more misguided than anything.
The music, everything absolutely everything makes this one of the best episodes of TV ever. The transition from baby Jon to adult was unbelievable
And amusing. The baby looked like an old newborn 😂
So glad yall loved Season 6. S6 and S4 are my two favorite seasons, followed by season 3 and 5
The Winds of Winter is my favorite episode of the show because it’s no filler from the beginning lol so much important stuff happens! Winter is Here my friends
100%
The moment the true meaning of "A song of ice and fire" was revealed. So many things in this episode, too many to discuss in the comments. Great reaction as always!
So many STILL think it's means Jon & Dany = end game when Jon is ice and fire on his own & he is Azor Ahai who will be the reason the world is saved from both ice AND fire. He didn't literally have to kill the Night King btw, he was the reason they were ready, that got everyone on board.
@@orphanedhanyouyou are one of those people 😂 ice stands for the long night and the white walkers, not Jon being half shark
This is one of the best episodes to ever air on television 👏🏻
The Soundtrack for the whole Cersei blowing up the Sept sequence was brilliant.
The “Light of the Seven,” is also one of the most incredible pieces of music ever orchestrated for tv.
cersei blowing up the sept has to be in the top 3 of best moments of GoT.
Lyanna said 'If Robert finds out he'll kill him'.
spoiler, dude.
@@lyndatavaress no
I mean, that's what she said in the scene! Is it a spoiler by quoting something in the episode?... And they seemed to figure some things out in the post discussion. That scene has enough info to understand what happened, and I'm happy to see more reactors finally see it 🎉🎉🎉
@@summerforever9409 To answer your question, yes it can definitely be spoilers to quote something in an episode.
@@jesses5463
In this case it wasn't.
Anyone with captions on would have read it just the same off the screen as they would have reading it in the comment section.
Besides which, they're several episodes ahead with their Patreon schedule, so it's not really possible to spoil them on much at this point.
The best final episode among TV serieses. True masterpiece of ost music and plot twists
Gotta hand it over to the soundtrack composer Ramin Djawadi here in this episode. The beautiful yet unnerving soundtrack at the beginning has quickly become my favourite in the whole show.
I actually love this Cersei moment.... sort of like Michael Corleone in the last Godfather scene... settles all score. It was a master stroke. As she said, she chose violence.
And Dany will choose fear. Dany & Jon mirror each other but they also mirror Cersei & Jaime.
Yor gotta respect Cerci here, she will do anything to protect what is hers, thats a making of a great villain
If she was a man, these guys would've cheered so loudly....
@@Rash23215sadly yes
@@Rash23215 Especially Spartan. He never expressed that level of hatred for Tywin... and Tywin was a much more evil villain.
What do you mean? she failed to protect Tommen, she killed the Tyrells (losing her biggest suppporters, so no food from High Garden, how will she feed people?) she killed her uncle and cousin (losing Casterly Rock support), she killed the High Sparrow and burned down the holiest building in their world (making enemies with everyone), somehow she becomes queen even though she has no power or claim to the iron throne, have you forgotten how succession works? She even turned nobles and smallfolk alike into ash, she's surrounded by enemies, you think this makes her a great villain? she literally made no intelligent decisions this episode.
@@jamesmswenko8292 she still came on top for now
I'm surprised that you guys were confused about Jon's parentage, I feel like you pick up everything haha! At this point in the show, it's not a theory, so I don't think me explaining is a "spoiler," I'm just providing clarity. Robert's Rebellion started due to Lyanna's disappearance with Rhaegar (presumed to be kidnapped). Rhaegar was keeping Lyanna hidden at the Tower of Joy throughout the war (the tower seen in this season). At this point in the story when Ned goes to "save" her, the Mad King and Rhaegar are both dead. An important thing to note is that Rhaegar left two of his best Kingsguard to keep guard at the Tower of Joy with Lyanna, while Rhaegar was fighting Robert. Wouldn't you think he would keep his Kingsguard with him to fight? But he didn't so why would you think that is? To protect Lyanna and his child.
It's not really fleshed out in the show, but a big point in the first book of the series during Ned's POV chapters, was his recalling Lyanna's last moments and her last words to him - "Promise me, Ned." That is shown here, along with her saying, "They will kill him and you know it." She is telling him that he has to keep Jon's identity as Rhaegar's son secret because Robert would kill him if he knew. And so, when Ned returned to Winterfell with a newborn Jon, he told everyone that he was his bastard to honor his promise to his dead sister.
Exactly! I cannot believe they couldn't piece it together! I'm they're like "maybe he's Targaryan?"!!! The enormity of the revelation completely flew over their heads.
Tower of joy.. pretty ironic
The opening 10-20 minutes of this episode is the greatest 10 minutes in television history!!
"Light of the Seven" is my alarm and ringtone 😂 I adore this episode beyond words. It's impossible to wrap your head around how much is packed into it. Just absolutely epic!
Littlefinger said in season 4 episode 4 that he wants “Everything” which in my opinion means the Throne in this show
Yup
Varys also spoke to Littlefinger early on, asking him how he pictures himself looking up there, on the Iron Throne.
Spartan's head is made of concrete. Good luck trying to get this piece of information in there.
it's not. He doesn't want the Throne. Bad writing.
I'm still shocked that they seemed to never ever not once wonder about Jon's true parentage. I know it's more obscure in the show than the books, but they were so heavy handed with it even in season 1 (at least to me, esp whenever Maester Aemon is with Jon).
These last 2 episodes of season 6 are amazing, not much on TV that can surpass them.
Thing is, they are awesome for the plots that were set up for them to resolve. Sadly this is the point where the show took a nosedive for me ./
I gave the show the benefit of the doubt all the way up to the last episode, and then i just felt empty
@@AliS042 Average, maybe.. a dive starts relatively high.. But that one encounter Arya has on her way north,in the forest.. by a fire.. I physically facepalmed on the premiere.
I agree. While I think S6 had it's flaws, I LOVE the finale. After seeing the Starks take loss after loss for years, It's an amazing payoff to see them finally get a win.
Sadly, it was around this point the show-runners Benioff & Weiss were offered a huge deal from Disney to helm the next Star Wars project, which after S6, they were all too eager to move on from GoT.
They were both mediocre episodes if you actually pay attention and don't get swept up by the music and action.
Cersi was playing the game of thrones and won. People constantly underestimated how vengeful, ruthless and cunning she is. From Ned, to the high sparrow. Even her husband. Once they didn't kill her after she was prisoner and her walk of attonment, i thought, she is going to kill everyone. The citizens or people laughed at her, so she did not mind them as collatoral damage.
I love the way S&P's hate for Cersei has made "Cersei deliberately killed Tommen" their headcannon :D
Jon's parentage is the best kept secret that was brilliantly hinted at in A Game of Thrones with Lyanna's Promise me, Ned... GRRM mastery of tale-weaving.
I remember the first time I watch this I thought Margaery survived for some reason... Her character was so good I refuse to believe they will just kill her off just like that. Even during season 7 I was still waiting for her. 😂
Spartan mentions the piano giving a vibe at the beginning of the video... Fun Fact: this is the first time in the entire show that a piano is used in the score, and Ramin Djawadi specifically picked it so that it'd feel a bit off-putting since you've never heard a piano in Westeros before.
When I watched this episode for the first time, the score of “The Light of the Seven” really caught me off guard. It is so different for the show because this is the first time the piano was used as the main instrument
Me too. I knew something was up.
Spartan&Pudgey: Cersei lost everything... She has no power...
Cersei: Hold my wine
Season 5 and 6 have some illogical scenes/plots, but this episode is a bomb. It's of course weird, that they have 3 candles and this lil boy so that lancel can find the wildfire, but it's very cool and at the end we lose so many characters in one scene and Jon and danny give me goosebumps everytime
5 and 6 are my favorite season i dont see any illogic in them
The moment they ran out of source material and stopped consulting GRRM is the moment this show's level dropped.
@@CoL_Drakesupercuts delight explains it very well
@@CoL_Drake you could write books thicker than the ASOIAF books on how illogical they are
@@flakekekekeyeah, but to be honest there were already bad changes/decisions before they ran out of the source material. There are also fantastic changes and new scenes, for example arya and tywin at harrenhall or the conversation of cercei and robert, but the whole dorne plot for example or the stuff in the free cities. I can understand that they didn't adapt the books 1:1, there are so many characters and twists, and when you produce a show with such a budget you need also those who don't pay attention to details and who don't remember what they ate for breakfast, so I can understand they don't have the young griff. But why have they changed the northern vassals to illoyal bannermen? Why have they ruined the genius of Prince Martell?
Also: George r r martin doesn't want to have a story where you have bad vs good, there are soo many theories about the white walkers and their king and their motivation. What do we get? Nothing. In the books we do have some loyal freys, in the show? Nope, they are all bad. That's lame and bad writing
13:17 I always wondered how much candy he had to give the Birds to off ol boy 😂
I was so keen to see the reaction for this one. This episode is beyond brilliant the way it ties everything together.
How can you not enjoy Cersei during this ep. I LOVED every second of it. The revenge she got this episode was sooo satisfying 😂
This was probably one of the happiest days in my life, when all this happened. Which is even more surprising, considering the fact that we had Dany's return and the Battle of the bastards in the previous episode.
The Winds of Winter, what a beautiful -serie's- season finale.
You can say king Tommen made 'King's Landing' live up to its name.
if no one else, it at least cracks ME up that the first time you guys saw the window tommen jump out of was when aegon was standing in it cranking his hog in house of the dragon
The jaw drops with this episode never disappoint. Epic.
THE best reveal honestly I LOVED that transition. Jon man, he may not be a stark but he does share Neds blood!
The Light of the Seven trial sequence and the Tower of joy sequence are an exquisite piece of art 🖤
The music, cinematography and story progression is so amazing🙌
Also, the built-up for R+L=J is insane...it blows my mind that book lovers have waited for it since decades...and even I waited for it for ~4 years!!!
Spartan saying Dany should know her place is funny 😂😂. Dany is to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms not Queen of the South. The seven kingdoms are there because of her family, the Seven Kingdoms are the Targaryens
Cersei did not intend for Tommen to die
Arya killing Walder Frey was foreshadowed when Bran told Jojan and Meera the story about the cook that served a lord his sons in a pie because he broke the guest protection law and killed guests under his roof. The Stark kids obviously took Old Nan's stories and REALLY listened. 😅 Varys once said " Littlefinger would let the realm burn if he could be king of the ashes" so Littlefinger HAS had ambitions for the throne, just not Varys.
That's not how the story went. The cook was the one who broke guest rights and killed a guest under his roof. The gods then turned him into a rat as punishment for it.
Cersei didn't do anything again? Hmmm.
-- Did Tywin personally kill everyone at The Red Wedding?
-- Did STANNIS (top guy and great, misunderstood leader of men) personally stab Renley in the back?
-- Did Palpatine personally kill every Jedi during Order 66?
-- Did Saruman personally blow up the impregnable wall of Helm's Deep?
Double standards off the charts! So basically folks, they'd have some respect for Cersei if she were leaping about King's Landing personally offing all her enemies like it was Assassin's Creed?
"dude, did we just figure out the whole plot!" is so hilarious. I guess we'll have to wait and watch.
Seems like spartan doesnt like villians or antagonist in shows lol, I never really liked cersei but after this episode she became my fav character, her getting her revenge and end up sitting in the iron throne felt so satisfying
It’s wild to me how much he loved Stannis and defended him while hating Circe so much!
Only female villains.... If tywin, stannis or even littlefinger did what cersei did, he would've absolute devoured it....
@@madeleinehoward3418Stannis is a classic tragic character, because he actually has moments of moral tension. Cersei never does, she's consistently vicious, cruel and petty. They are not at all equivalent.
@@madeleinehoward3418 I always liked Stannis but could not stand Cercei
@@eloy.. I can totally understand him liking Stannis and hating Cercei cos I agree all the way
THIS IS MY 2ND FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE SERIES. Right after Battle of The Bastards. The music, the cinematography, the acting, the tension building, the writing, the twists, etc ALL ARE JUST SO SO GOOD!
I just love cersei, she’s a badass!! This was the revenge i was looking for.
This is by far one of the best season finales of the series.