I pulled Zion silver card 248 if I remember correctly. Sent to PSA, I thought it was 9 but my son thought it would be a 10. I was lucky it came back at 10. Put it on eBay and it eventually sold for $6000. I had two friends tell me I was crazy that I was sitting on a gold mine if I were to just hang onto that card.
@@ApostleOfMercy Wow, yeah, you can’t predict these things. Buying rookie QB Bowman autographs right now to take to the national hoping the hype spikes their prices but I could get smoked. Lol who knows
the moms-basement dwellers with too much money clearly didnt. what I cant process is how many people were treated like hall of fame athletes that hadn't even had a decent season yet. Zion is the perfect example. we all saw how fat and lazy this guy was, but so many people said hes was a generational talent.
Wait a second, I had it on good authority back in 2020-2022 from a bunch of Gen Z newbies and Middle Aged scammers that modern cards were the best investment of all-time! What the heck happened???
2020 and 2021 were truly unhinged years when it came to these sorts of inflated sales prices. My own story was that I paid $700 for a Trae Young 2018 prizm base psa 10 in the fall of 2020 (market value at the time) and now this card goes for about $30. I was smart enough to sell around 6 months later but the damage had already been done. Got about $250 for it. Great video, thanks Chris.
I bought way too many cards during the boom. Especially modern cards.I’d say at least a third of the money I spent is now wasted if not more. Probably down 20K . Life goes on lol. Is what it is.
I’ll tell you how I made money in sportscard. Have your parents by you a couple of baseball and hockey packs on the weekend, hold on to them for 50 years, then sell them. That’s how you could have made money.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Its exactly why I got out of the hobby a long time ago. Unfortunately, the cycle will continue. It just takes a while for everyone to forget what happened the time before.
I created a little “rule” for myself around early 2022 - to either avoid or exercise extreme caution from buying any cards newer than 2018. Purely based on the print runs. There have been a few rare exceptions but I still stick to this rule for the most part.
Thank god I didn’t start collecting til late 2022! Never knew there was a bubble that popped. Makes me feel better about buying now that everything is low
Interestingly one of the most hyped players if not most ever “Babe Ruth of Japan” Shohei Obtain is actually living up to the hype. There was even 60minute episode featuring him before Ohtani coming to MLB. Now some even argue he’s exceeding the hype 😮. I remember during the height of price boom 2021, his cards prices were rock bottom. I bought several of his cards just to take a stab at it, couldn’t imagine them getting any lower. All of his cards 10X and then some.
I also bought a few cards around the same time period of 2021 and 2022. I spent nearly 20k on Ohtani cards and continue to get a few base ones to this day. I am working on creating a frame that displays my higher end Ohtani's along with his Angels jersey. I will do a Dodger's frame when there are more cards in that uniform. Lastly, I also invested in a few sealed wax boxes of 2018 topps chrome, flagship, single packs and have yet to open up any of them.
@@MGsac98252 Wow thats serious dough, congrats! I mainly bought Ohtani's raw cards, few slabs, 1 auto patch national treasure and some 2018 bowman chrome packs. Interestingly according to eBay sales data, Ohtani cards had the highest cumulative total $$ sales of all baseball players cards in past 3 years. I was shocked!
@@joeltravels8983 Interestingly according to eBay sales data analysis Ohtani's cards had the highest cumulative total sales$$ of all BASEBALL players both past/current in past 3 years.
Gavin Lux. I pulled the chrome refractor autograph which was about 300 raw so I got greedy and sent it to beckett on a 15 day turnaround. Beckett gladly took my card and money then held it hostage for almost a year. By the time I got it back it was maybe worth the grading fee. I still have it in hopes he will someday make some noise.
My own personal story is that my parents bought me my dream card as a kid for my birthday, it was the 1986 Donruss Jose Canseco RC. Right at its peak which was around 1990 and they paid the Beckett price which was $120. This was before grading and the card was near mint but off centered. I still have the card today... It's maybe worth $8 as a raw, off centered Canseco RC.
I don't have one that had that big a drop, but I do have, somewhere, a stack of maybe 10 or so Shane Spencer rookie cards I bought in the fall of 98 for $5 each. Probably a dime bin card at most today.
Great stuff as always, Chris. Great example of collector-investors’ continued education about what types of cards should maintain high values and which are simply “common”. I’ve got a stack of PSA 10 Zion’s collecting dust right now. I think the hobby is understanding what separates common cards from truly rare and exceptional cards. Rare and exceptional can demand the highest premiums. Mass produced cards simply can’t. Great video, as always.
Excellent point -- it's not just overhyped rookies, even some cards of genuine superstars post-1980 are hurting. I tell people that $10,000 for the 1986-87 Jordan is decent money -- unless you're the guy who bought it for $50,000.
Hello Chris - miss those early Covid days for sure. I elected to use the irrational exuberance to start selling Kobe RC’s. Everything was raw and included a wide variety of Skybox, NBA Hoops, Fleer, UD and of course plenty of his Topps #137 rookie. Sold 6 of those raw Topps RC’s for over $1000 with high of $1400 and plenty more down to about $500 and prices started to normalize over about 90 days. In total, sold approx 95 of his rookies for just slightly over $38k with highest priced being a Stardate insert for $2800. Unfortunately, as we know prices become just as irrational on the way down. May be a long time before we see anything close to that again. But we can always hope.
The crazy thing is that people will go for the latest flavor of the month/year, like Wembanyama or Stroud and convince themselves that this time things will be different. Of course things COULD be different with these guys but the odds are still against them. Keep in mind that the last two guys who were hyped as saviours in any of the 4 major North-American sports who have actually lived up to that hype are Ohtani and McDavid (Mahomes was not nearly as hyped).
Would love to see a video on the gambles that did go right! Curious on players people wasn’t buying during covid years that ended up going crazy on pricing!
Chris - would be interesting to include cards of "stars" who were stars back in 2018 and have remained "stars". Examples in baseball are Mookie Betts, Acuna and Soto and possibly Trout although injuries have hurt him recently. I'm guessing there are comparable players in football and basketball.
That Kyler Murray card was over a 1000? And, now its a 40 dollar card. Yikes. Well, Geoff Wilson the Sport Card Investor did say Will Grier, would be a 4X investment. Lol
It may sound easy to say in hindsight but I saw this coming from a mile away in 2020. Instead of chasing all of these modern cards I built myself a solid collection of 80s, 90s, and 2000s legends for extremely cheap comparatively
Same here. Snatched up the PSA 8+ Roids era HR hitters for dirt cheap. They’re still great players despite and the baseball world will forgive eventually
@@animalmother53 same haha. Doesn’t help that Griffey, Bonds, and Randy Johnson are some of my favorite players of all time since their cards have such high pop counts. Still feels great to get graded cards of those legends for basically the cost of grading
@@KK-pm7ud The fall is already happening. I haven't purchased a lot since covid because the values shot to mars. I can't wait for affordable cards again. I dont break, I just buy lots.
Still happening. I collect some hockey and the Connor Bedard mania is ridiculous. A base O-Pee-Chee rookie is going for $80 (realistically a $10-$20 card). Some never learn.
Have you watched Bedard play? There is hype and prices are high on base products because no premium rookies are out yet, but he is really good, already stands out in the NHL.
@@williambartenslager4134 I’m talking about a base rookie card from a low end mass produced product. Wait 6 months and this card raw will be $20. This is like Hoops basketball where a base Wemby is now $10-$15.
What do you think about these card companies expanding into college football? Bought a couple of these cards off of an auction panini had (Ewers, Manning).
These are all perfect examples of why you don’t “invest” in a piece of cardboard. If you’re gonna spend $18,000 you would be much better off purchasing blue chip stocks, or real estate (maybe a down payment), or maybe some Gold. Still love sports cards & collectibles, but well within reason.
There are lots of examples that would prove the opposite as well. Imagine had you invested $18,000 on Mahomes back in 2017/18!! I know someone that just that and turned his $30K into a HOUSE!! Literally.
No matter what or when, just buy high quality vintage (raw or graded). If you want to collect or invest in modern cards or current players, buy rookies (graded, gem mint preferably) of established future HOFers late in their careers or newly retired.
The Wonder Franco Superfractor is insane. I remember when I was streaming on whatnot we had a guy hit a 1/2 jumbo patch auto booklet redemption from an Inception box, the dude sold it for $12k and literally 2 weeks later the allegations dropped. As a Tampa Bay native, I cannot begin to describe the disgust everyone here had. Hope he rots in a cell the rest of his life.
Great video Chris! I would love to know if there were successful purchases during the Feb-Mar ‘21 peak? Did EVERYONE lose value if they bought during that period? Keep up the great work!!
Love this themed video .. maybe do another with like a variety of nice vintage (say 63 Rose RC psa 6 in 12/19, 4/21 and now) and maybe what’s a 2011 Trout psa 10 done in same before during and after…..or Jeter Foil Sp RC
This was interesting. Funny that you used that Lux card as an example, as I remember buying a refractor of that card with the hopes he’d be great. I think PSA’s backlog also caused some of the price variances. I bought some PSA 10 Bo Bichette rookies and Eloy rookies. At the time, we didn’t know the pops on these cards were going to be as crazy as they ended up being because the supply of these were trickling out so slowly from PSA due to their enormous backlog at the time.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Eloy Jimenez is an outfielder for the White Sox. Big time power and was a rookie with a ton of potential, but he has had tons of injury issues. I bought his 2019 Topps PSA 10 rookie at the start of the 2020 season for about 80, and now they sell for about 5.
The absolute insanity that Prizm base rookies fetched those kinds of prices for any player. I don't care if it's Giannis Jokic Doncic that's absurd. My kid had a Booker base Prizm rookie from a box I bought him for Christmas when I tried to get him into collecting cards when he was 10 & when I heard they were selling for $175-$200 raw I told him to sell the damn thing before we come out of the Twilight Zone. Great video
I'm a collector primarily, but do occasionally buy a few cards to invest in. However, I usually only start buying those 'investment' cards after the player has played for 3-4 years or more. Even then it's a gamble, but at least I do have a better idea of the player's projection, barring injuries, legal troubles, etc. Sometimes this makes it difficult to obtain cards (Mahomes higher prices after a few years), but also helps me dodge buying a bunch of Gavin Lux cards too. I do buy new wax sometimes because I enjoy ripping the new stuff occasionally (and finding affordable '93 Finest baseball packs is not easy and/or cheap), but I mainly tend to stick with vintage as well as the best players from my Era (80's and 90's) = HOFers. I did pull a Jason Dominguez Topps Series 1 Reverence RPA numbered to 10 just last week on the first and only jumbo box that I have ever bought which was a super lucky pull. I think that he could potentially become a great player, but again, who knows. I'm leaning towards selling it now while the getting is good, and use the $$ buy a '89 Tiffany Griffey, '93 or '94 Finest Refractor Griffey, .... which are the cards that I like. Some may agree while some may not, but to each their own. I buy because I like to collect; not because I want to quit my day job, and I feel bad for those that blindnessly threw away their money whether it was their fault or not, but I guess the bright side is that that may have helped weed out everyone that werent truly collectors/investors. I would like for everyone to enjoy this hobby for what it is.....a hobby. Anyway, Chris, love your content as usual. Happy collecting everyone!
Sports card “investors” aren’t investors. They are speculators. Huge difference. It’s okay to have some money in speculative assets it these are a few good examples of why it’s speculative. Great video.
Always appreciate your knowledge and what you do for the card community, my friend! I went to my first card show for this year and saw mostly basketball move and football QB's. Probably prepping for next season. Vibes was good. Love it!
My cousin spent about 15k and at peak was worth about 30k, now closer to 5k. Only cards I had graded where Michael Jordans, the warp speed I have hasn't changed much in value. Wish my cousin would have bought a babe ruth or something, there was no way I was spending the kind of money he was on just released product.
From an investment perspective, one might consider that grading a card that then sells for less than the grading fee is just as horrible to the wallet as adding wear and tear to the raw card. Choose what cards you grade wisely!
Might be a fun little tidbit regarding the boom… while the huge boom was happening for Zion and Kyler cards, the exact same thing was happening in hockey with Alexis Lafreniere hahahah, he was a 1st overall draft pick in 2020 to a huge market team (New York Rangers) and on top of that was coming off a huge junior season and seemed ready to be a huge star in the league. Well that never happened and his cards absolutely tanked! His Young Guns cards started out out the gate at $350-$400 raw with PSA 10’s selling for well over $1200, now those raw copies fetch around $20-$30 on a good day and the PSA 10’s around $100 hahahahahahaah
Sold my collection and got out of the hobby late 2020, from all the expensive product and scalpers camping out and buying all the blaster boxes at Walmart and Target it just wasn't fun to collect anymore.. hope the hobby comes back to earth for the younger collectors..
Yea that's bad. Nearly all cards got wayyyy overvalued the last 5 years. Whether its mac jones, franco, lebron, or brady. Wait till we pan out another 5-10 years and see what card values look like then. Most cards have nowhere to go but down.
2020 topps series one paper, they dropped the tins, after I opened 5 tins, I realized the golds were horrible odds...I backed up and got out from purchasing. The print runs got stupid. Luckily I kept all my previous pulls, and basically just thankful I recognized the pattern and feel bad for the bag holders.
It's a game of hot potatoe. Never changes. The end user is usually a newbie. Some stay in the hobby most dont. But not because they got burned but more because they came in the first place for all the wrong reasons.
Always enjoy your uploads, Chris. Cheers. 👍 At the much higher-end... Haven't the Brady 2000 Champion Tickets come down significantly from their peak (where, in a high grade, they were going for seven figures)? Limited to only 100 signed cards, they seem to be changing hands an awful lot in the last couple of years, and prices dropping at each sale. Also, the Jordan Fleer '86 card has come down significantly. That's just my observation. Of course, they are both still up on pre-pandemic levels... but have experienced a significant drop post-pandemic.
I learned this lesson in the 90's. Actually drove me out of card collecting. But here we are 20 plus years later and those cards I had sitting in top loaders in a box are worth thousands. I had no idea until I stumbled onto a you tube video. Guy was going crazy when he pulled a card and I was like "why is he so excited? That's junk stuff." 😂 Guess I really am getting old and out of touch.
Fortunately for me I was mostly an observer during the boom period. I didn't get back into the hobby actively until the beginning of 2023 for the most part. When I saw base cards of regular guys going for ridiculous prices I knew it was a really bad time to be a buyer.
i was the one who sold the 1992 grid michael schumacuher for 8,000$ turn 1$ card with 50$ grading fee into 8k it was epicness. Now the card is down about 90% or more
Kind of a weird video, IMO. The Hobby Boom had nothing to do with these cards - they are just prospects that failed to become stars. Ohtani, Acuna, etc. cards are doing just fine.
The Kyler Murray situation is even worse because not only has he performed well below his expectations in the NFL, but he was also leaning toward a career in baseball before he decided to go into the NFL. The money was most likely much better, but he has to have dreams (or nightmares) about what he could’ve done in the MLB and he may have been a much better baseball player had he made the alternative choice.
Great video Chris. I really don’t understand why the values of superstar players that are proven and are good role models like Tony Gwynn, Ryne Sandburg, and Cal Ripken are not worth more. Those guys are the best of the best but the value of their cards are a tiny fraction of today’s young players. Maybe we need more documentaries or movies of these legends so that the younger crowd know how special these guys truly are
Chris..I'm an old man ..not in the best of health. My wife knows to to sell my life long collection to you. You are a good man.
I really appreciate you saying that and I truly hope everything is alright with your health, as good as it can possibly be.
Me2 im out near vegas
Well played Sir
Thank you for the transparency in regards to rounding to the nearest gazillion.
I pulled Zion silver card 248 if I remember correctly. Sent to PSA, I thought it was 9 but my son thought it would be a 10. I was lucky it came back at 10. Put it on eBay and it eventually sold for $6000. I had two friends tell me I was crazy that I was sitting on a gold mine if I were to just hang onto that card.
@@ApostleOfMercy Wow, yeah, you can’t predict these things. Buying rookie QB Bowman autographs right now to take to the national hoping the hype spikes their prices but I could get smoked. Lol who knows
Wow! Who could have seen this coming! ???
the moms-basement dwellers with too much money clearly didnt.
what I cant process is how many people were treated like hall of fame athletes that hadn't even had a decent season yet. Zion is the perfect example. we all saw how fat and lazy this guy was, but so many people said hes was a generational talent.
Everyone with a clue
“Sell Mortimer!…. Sell!!”
Classic line!! Eddie
Sell all modern 😂
😂😂😂 exactly
Great line...and movie
I don’t know the movie? What’s it from?
Wait a second, I had it on good authority back in 2020-2022 from a bunch of Gen Z newbies and Middle Aged scammers that modern cards were the best investment of all-time! What the heck happened???
It's not necessarily modern cards, it's bad picks on players and card types.
Gary V supposedly ripping up a 1986 fleer magic johnson (probably ripped up a reprint) should have been a clue.
Gen z didnt have the money to inflate those cards, plenty of them were gen x and older
@@nautilusshell940 Parents giving Gen Z money to buy up cards when money couldn't be spent to buy their love in other ways sure inflated prices.
@@ryanfitzgerald2816 yeah a parent gave their kids 100k to spend on cards, do you hear how dumb that sounds
Great seeing you and the Texas Snowman at the Burbank Show! Can’t wait for you guys to bring back the game show
Same here. He seems like a fun guy!
2020 and 2021 were truly unhinged years when it came to these sorts of inflated sales prices. My own story was that I paid $700 for a Trae Young 2018 prizm base psa 10 in the fall of 2020 (market value at the time) and now this card goes for about $30. I was smart enough to sell around 6 months later but the damage had already been done. Got about $250 for it. Great video, thanks Chris.
I bought way too many cards during the boom. Especially modern cards.I’d say at least a third of the money I spent is now wasted if not more. Probably down 20K . Life goes on lol. Is what it is.
Is it a scam or a product of your own naïveté?
I’ll tell you how I made money in sportscard. Have your parents by you a couple of baseball and hockey packs on the weekend, hold on to them for 50 years, then sell them. That’s how you could have made money.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Its exactly why I got out of the hobby a long time ago. Unfortunately, the cycle will continue. It just takes a while for everyone to forget what happened the time before.
I created a little “rule” for myself around early 2022 - to either avoid or exercise extreme caution from buying any cards newer than 2018. Purely based on the print runs. There have been a few rare exceptions but I still stick to this rule for the most part.
Cautionary after 2018? Real warren buffet over here...
Thank god I didn’t start collecting til late 2022! Never knew there was a bubble that popped. Makes me feel better about buying now that everything is low
Interestingly one of the most hyped players if not most ever “Babe Ruth of Japan” Shohei Obtain is actually living up to the hype. There was even 60minute episode featuring him before Ohtani coming to MLB. Now some even argue he’s exceeding the hype 😮. I remember during the height of price boom 2021, his cards prices were rock bottom. I bought several of his cards just to take a stab at it, couldn’t imagine them getting any lower. All of his cards 10X and then some.
I also bought a few cards around the same time period of 2021 and 2022. I spent nearly 20k on Ohtani cards and continue to get a few base ones to this day. I am working on creating a frame that displays my higher end Ohtani's along with his Angels jersey. I will do a Dodger's frame when there are more cards in that uniform. Lastly, I also invested in a few sealed wax boxes of 2018 topps chrome, flagship, single packs and have yet to open up any of them.
@@MGsac98252 Wow thats serious dough, congrats! I mainly bought Ohtani's raw cards, few slabs, 1 auto patch national treasure and some 2018 bowman chrome packs. Interestingly according to eBay sales data, Ohtani cards had the highest cumulative total $$ sales of all baseball players cards in past 3 years. I was shocked!
Me too. I loaded up on Ohtani 3 years ago. Only guy I did that with. Luckiest stab I ever had!
It's all people want. And it's boring ash.
@@joeltravels8983 Interestingly according to eBay sales data analysis Ohtani's cards had the highest cumulative total sales$$ of all BASEBALL players both past/current in past 3 years.
Zion is the new Larry Johnson
Poor Grand Ma Ma catching strays
Gavin Lux. I pulled the chrome refractor autograph which was about 300 raw so I got greedy and sent it to beckett on a 15 day turnaround. Beckett gladly took my card and money then held it hostage for almost a year. By the time I got it back it was maybe worth the grading fee. I still have it in hopes he will someday make some noise.
My own personal story is that my parents bought me my dream card as a kid for my birthday, it was the 1986 Donruss Jose Canseco RC. Right at its peak which was around 1990 and they paid the Beckett price which was $120. This was before grading and the card was near mint but off centered. I still have the card today... It's maybe worth $8 as a raw, off centered Canseco RC.
I don't have one that had that big a drop, but I do have, somewhere, a stack of maybe 10 or so Shane Spencer rookie cards I bought in the fall of 98 for $5 each. Probably a dime bin card at most today.
TheRmm… which city are you at ?
Incorrect. The Luka 2018 Prizm PSA 10 actually dropped from $2300-2400 (at its peak) to as low as $175 this past month.
Great stuff as always, Chris. Great example of collector-investors’ continued education about what types of cards should maintain high values and which are simply “common”. I’ve got a stack of PSA 10 Zion’s collecting dust right now. I think the hobby is understanding what separates common cards from truly rare and exceptional cards. Rare and exceptional can demand the highest premiums. Mass produced cards simply can’t. Great video, as always.
The 86 Fleer Jordan rookie is selling for 1/3 to 1/2 what it sold for at the peak of COVID..
Interestingly, it has bounced back up from it's post-covid floor price. It floored around 140K and it has been going for around 200K the past year...
Excellent point -- it's not just overhyped rookies, even some cards of genuine superstars post-1980 are hurting. I tell people that $10,000 for the 1986-87 Jordan is decent money -- unless you're the guy who bought it for $50,000.
It would be interesting to look at vintage other than Mantle cards. Great content, as always. Thank you.
Hello Chris - miss those early Covid days for sure. I elected to use the irrational exuberance to start selling Kobe RC’s. Everything was raw and included a wide variety of Skybox, NBA Hoops, Fleer, UD and of course plenty of his Topps #137 rookie. Sold 6 of those raw Topps RC’s for over $1000 with high of $1400 and plenty more down to about $500 and prices started to normalize over about 90 days. In total, sold approx 95 of his rookies for just slightly over $38k with highest priced being a Stardate insert for $2800. Unfortunately, as we know prices become just as irrational on the way down. May be a long time before we see anything close to that again. But we can always hope.
The crazy thing is that people will go for the latest flavor of the month/year, like Wembanyama or Stroud and convince themselves that this time things will be different. Of course things COULD be different with these guys but the odds are still against them. Keep in mind that the last two guys who were hyped as saviours in any of the 4 major North-American sports who have actually lived up to that hype are Ohtani and McDavid (Mahomes was not nearly as hyped).
They won't be different. We are still in junk wax 2.0. Everything is over produced
Would love to see a video on the gambles that did go right! Curious on players people wasn’t buying during covid years that ended up going crazy on pricing!
“Prospect-y”, love that term, Chris 😊
Wow it took 4 years for new collectors to learn that they been surrounded by junk
where do you see the prices and sales?
Miss those COVID prices it was the wild wild west... I actually got laid off in late 2020 and those prices helped me pay a lot of bills in 2021
Yea great time to sell 🎉
Same!
And it's just getting started.... Junk Wax era 2.0
The overprinting isn't half the issue. People had these cards _graded_ . The dumb money demand from the pandemic boom is long gone.
Vintage is where it’s at!
Chris - would be interesting to include cards of "stars" who were stars back in 2018 and have remained "stars". Examples in baseball are Mookie Betts, Acuna and Soto and possibly Trout although injuries have hurt him recently. I'm guessing there are comparable players in football and basketball.
I sold that Kyler red /150 for $500 ungraded. Thought I was dumb for letting it go. Not so much now!
That Kyler Murray card was over a 1000? And, now its a 40 dollar card. Yikes. Well, Geoff Wilson the Sport Card Investor did say Will Grier, would be a 4X investment. Lol
Ya, about 10 cents to 40 cents would be about right lol
It may sound easy to say in hindsight but I saw this coming from a mile away in 2020. Instead of chasing all of these modern cards I built myself a solid collection of 80s, 90s, and 2000s legends for extremely cheap comparatively
Same here. Snatched up the PSA 8+ Roids era HR hitters for dirt cheap. They’re still great players despite and the baseball world will forgive eventually
@@animalmother53 same haha.
Doesn’t help that Griffey, Bonds, and Randy Johnson are some of my favorite players of all time since their cards have such high pop counts. Still feels great to get graded cards of those legends for basically the cost of grading
wow... Thats why I buy players already in the hall of fame.. im never going to make a ton, but never going to loose a Zion level 800%
Wow. I can start collecting again?
Wait for it to fall another 50%
@@KK-pm7ud The fall is already happening. I haven't purchased a lot since covid because the values shot to mars. I can't wait for affordable cards again. I dont break, I just buy lots.
Appreciate the time & effort you put into researching. You're a credit to us collectors.
Still happening. I collect some hockey and the Connor Bedard mania is ridiculous. A base O-Pee-Chee rookie is going for $80 (realistically a $10-$20 card). Some never learn.
I sell Marchand opc rookies for more than $20
Have you watched Bedard play? There is hype and prices are high on base products because no premium rookies are out yet, but he is really good, already stands out in the NHL.
@@williambartenslager4134 I’m talking about a base rookie card from a low end mass produced product. Wait 6 months and this card raw will be $20. This is like Hoops basketball where a base Wemby is now $10-$15.
What do you think about these card companies expanding into college football? Bought a couple of these cards off of an auction panini had (Ewers, Manning).
I think its an interesting idea. I have not really gotten on that train yet but am curious to see where it goes.
@@collectorinvestordealer thank you
These are all perfect examples of why you don’t “invest” in a piece of cardboard. If you’re gonna spend $18,000 you would be much better off purchasing blue chip stocks, or real estate (maybe a down payment), or maybe some Gold. Still love sports cards & collectibles, but well within reason.
There are lots of examples that would prove the opposite as well. Imagine had you invested $18,000 on Mahomes back in 2017/18!! I know someone that just that and turned his $30K into a HOUSE!! Literally.
@@ryant.warren5737that’s an extreme case though…
Victor’s advice/comment is way more realistic/tangible for every day reality.
No matter what or when, just buy high quality vintage (raw or graded). If you want to collect or invest in modern cards or current players, buy rookies (graded, gem mint preferably) of established future HOFers late in their careers or newly retired.
The Wonder Franco Superfractor is insane. I remember when I was streaming on whatnot we had a guy hit a 1/2 jumbo patch auto booklet redemption from an Inception box, the dude sold it for $12k and literally 2 weeks later the allegations dropped. As a Tampa Bay native, I cannot begin to describe the disgust everyone here had. Hope he rots in a cell the rest of his life.
lol it was consensual and legal in his country
Bet you had the same overdramatic reaction to the fake trevor bauer allegations too, weirdo.
guy return it and and seller got fked
The research and graphics team did an excellent job on this one 👏👏👏
Great video Chris! I would love to know if there were successful purchases during the Feb-Mar ‘21 peak? Did EVERYONE lose value if they bought during that period? Keep up the great work!!
Love this themed video .. maybe do another with like a variety of nice vintage (say 63 Rose RC psa 6 in 12/19, 4/21 and now) and maybe what’s a 2011 Trout psa 10 done in same before during and after…..or Jeter Foil Sp RC
These type videos you make are so informative. Thank you so much Chris.
This is part of why I give every hobby newbie the advice to collect first and think about value a distant second.
found you chris at the peak of the boom !! GJ chris and video.
Lux is a buy rn imo
Even if he plays regularly he'll be hitting at the bottom of that order. My guess is he gets traded to a bad team and never recovers value.
This was interesting. Funny that you used that Lux card as an example, as I remember buying a refractor of that card with the hopes he’d be great. I think PSA’s backlog also caused some of the price variances. I bought some PSA 10 Bo Bichette rookies and Eloy rookies. At the time, we didn’t know the pops on these cards were going to be as crazy as they ended up being because the supply of these were trickling out so slowly from PSA due to their enormous backlog at the time.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Eloy Jimenez is an outfielder for the White Sox. Big time power and was a rookie with a ton of potential, but he has had tons of injury issues. I bought his 2019 Topps PSA 10 rookie at the start of the 2020 season for about 80, and now they sell for about 5.
The absolute insanity that Prizm base rookies fetched those kinds of prices for any player. I don't care if it's Giannis Jokic Doncic that's absurd. My kid had a Booker base Prizm rookie from a box I bought him for Christmas when I tried to get him into collecting cards when he was 10 & when I heard they were selling for $175-$200 raw I told him to sell the damn thing before we come out of the Twilight Zone. Great video
I'm a collector primarily, but do occasionally buy a few cards to invest in. However, I usually only start buying those 'investment' cards after the player has played for 3-4 years or more. Even then it's a gamble, but at least I do have a better idea of the player's projection, barring injuries, legal troubles, etc. Sometimes this makes it difficult to obtain cards (Mahomes higher prices after a few years), but also helps me dodge buying a bunch of Gavin Lux cards too. I do buy new wax sometimes because I enjoy ripping the new stuff occasionally (and finding affordable '93 Finest baseball packs is not easy and/or cheap), but I mainly tend to stick with vintage as well as the best players from my Era (80's and 90's) = HOFers. I did pull a Jason Dominguez Topps Series 1 Reverence RPA numbered to 10 just last week on the first and only jumbo box that I have ever bought which was a super lucky pull. I think that he could potentially become a great player, but again, who knows. I'm leaning towards selling it now while the getting is good, and use the $$ buy a '89 Tiffany Griffey, '93 or '94 Finest Refractor Griffey, .... which are the cards that I like.
Some may agree while some may not, but to each their own. I buy because I like to collect; not because I want to quit my day job, and I feel bad for those that blindnessly threw away their money whether it was their fault or not, but I guess the bright side is that that may have helped weed out everyone that werent truly collectors/investors. I would like for everyone to enjoy this hobby for what it is.....a hobby. Anyway, Chris, love your content as usual. Happy collecting everyone!
Psa closing and the backlog had a role to play in prices being so high late 2020 early 2021 too. Little supply
Sports card “investors” aren’t investors. They are speculators. Huge difference. It’s okay to have some money in speculative assets it these are a few good examples of why it’s speculative. Great video.
Always appreciate your knowledge and what you do for the card community, my friend! I went to my first card show for this year and saw mostly basketball move and football QB's. Probably prepping for next season. Vibes was good. Love it!
I have to admit prospecting can be fun but that Franco is a cautionary tale. Another reason I focus on vintage cards.
My cousin spent about 15k and at peak was worth about 30k, now closer to 5k. Only cards I had graded where Michael Jordans, the warp speed I have hasn't changed much in value. Wish my cousin would have bought a babe ruth or something, there was no way I was spending the kind of money he was on just released product.
From an investment perspective, one might consider that grading a card that then sells for less than the grading fee is just as horrible to the wallet as adding wear and tear to the raw card. Choose what cards you grade wisely!
Might be a fun little tidbit regarding the boom… while the huge boom was happening for Zion and Kyler cards, the exact same thing was happening in hockey with Alexis Lafreniere hahahah, he was a 1st overall draft pick in 2020 to a huge market team (New York Rangers) and on top of that was coming off a huge junior season and seemed ready to be a huge star in the league. Well that never happened and his cards absolutely tanked! His Young Guns cards started out out the gate at $350-$400 raw with PSA 10’s selling for well over $1200, now those raw copies fetch around $20-$30 on a good day and the PSA 10’s around $100 hahahahahahaah
Great video, people need to see, why they keep paying for overhyped rookies. Can you do another video talking about cards that went up?
Sold my collection and got out of the hobby late 2020, from all the expensive product and scalpers camping out and buying all the blaster boxes at Walmart and Target it just wasn't fun to collect anymore.. hope the hobby comes back to earth for the younger collectors..
The 80-81 Topps Basketball Bird Ewing Johnson Card Dropped Tonnes But Nowhere Near In % Like This Modern Has Already....
For 18k, you can get a PSA 2 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #53 😬
@@BringingTheHeat-VBChuh? 🤡
At this point, I'd say 12-13 at most for a nice one.
You can get a decent car for 18k! Buying a baseball card for that price is crazy unless you have FU money. Most people don't have FU money. 🤣
I was expecting this to be about more iconic cards dropping, Jordan and Brady RC's, etc.... This was much more entertaining.
I’ve got several Luis Robert cards that I took a beating on. And he’s been pretty good at times. Zion was outta my price range luckily .
Luis Robert's story is not finished. He had a very strong 2023. He still has MVP potential. He also has Yasiel Puig flameout potential. Wait and see.
I have a ton of Luis Robert rookies and pre-rookies. I hope he can have a fully healthy season. He could at least hold value, if not grow a little.
Look at the LeBron chrome black refractor. Jordan fleer rookie. Look at Jeter topps base. Griffey UD base. Mahomes prizm rookie.
Yea that's bad. Nearly all cards got wayyyy overvalued the last 5 years. Whether its mac jones, franco, lebron, or brady. Wait till we pan out another 5-10 years and see what card values look like then. Most cards have nowhere to go but down.
2020 topps series one paper, they dropped the tins, after I opened 5 tins, I realized the golds were horrible odds...I backed up and got out from purchasing. The print runs got stupid. Luckily I kept all my previous pulls, and basically just thankful I recognized the pattern and feel bad for the bag holders.
I would like to hear some examples of Star player cards
What I want to know is what happened to allll the youtube investors telling you to buy all these hot new prospects!?!?!
It's a game of hot potatoe. Never changes. The end user is usually a newbie. Some stay in the hobby most dont. But not because they got burned but more because they came in the first place for all the wrong reasons.
Great piece.
I'm sure that didn't help in keeping many of those new collectors that started collecting during Covid.
Very few of those were "collectors"...they were just looking to make a quick buck, which is what contributed to the spike so much.
Always enjoy your uploads, Chris. Cheers. 👍
At the much higher-end... Haven't the Brady 2000 Champion Tickets come down significantly from their peak (where, in a high grade, they were going for seven figures)? Limited to only 100 signed cards, they seem to be changing hands an awful lot in the last couple of years, and prices dropping at each sale.
Also, the Jordan Fleer '86 card has come down significantly. That's just my observation.
Of course, they are both still up on pre-pandemic levels... but have experienced a significant drop post-pandemic.
Does anyone remember seeing the ad from Dave and Adam's offering $250k for a PSA 10 1986 Michael Jordan?
I saw a second year Jordan in a 1988 Sports Collector Digest for $2.
It was a guess but I'm sure glad I invested in mahomes
The big question is who is still buying Wander Franco cards?
I assume people who missed out years ago just want to have that card.
I think some people are betting that he beats the charge and comes back to play in MLB
In the past i have bought for the story. Like these people have it made, then they have done stuff to absolutely ruin their career.
Thanks Chris ✌️
My store lost about 3000 cause of wander francos issues. mostly in 2 very big cards, they wont ever sell now.
I love my Junk Wax! You can keep your rookie prospects!
Raider Dave spent tens of millions of dollars at the peak and has lost millions on speculative cards. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
Same for phils pulls
I thought for sure Mac Jones was going to be the football card example. His white sparkle sold for like 170K? Crazyness.
really?
Great video again, Chris! Thank you for the info 💪
Thanks Chris. Do you see serial numbered cards holding value?
The right serial numbered cards could hold value but as a general statement, no.
I pulled a Justin Simmons jersey card (who?) of /375 a few weeks ago. I'd take a stick of gum for it
going to drop another 50%
Kinda like the Bedard SP psa 10 selling for 10k. You prolly buy 1 for cheap once the ygs come out
Thanks for the info.
Zion is the same type of example it’s not necessarily the boom and bust. He was injured.
I just sold a 30 count lot of Wander Franco rookies for $7. A year ago I could have gotten closer to $300. Oh well 🤷🏻♂️
I learned this lesson in the 90's. Actually drove me out of card collecting. But here we are 20 plus years later and those cards I had sitting in top loaders in a box are worth thousands. I had no idea until I stumbled onto a you tube video. Guy was going crazy when he pulled a card and I was like "why is he so excited? That's junk stuff." 😂 Guess I really am getting old and out of touch.
Just like the late great Kenny Rogers sang "you gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, and know when to RUN!!!!! "
Fortunately for me I was mostly an observer during the boom period. I didn't get back into the hobby actively until the beginning of 2023 for the most part. When I saw base cards of regular guys going for ridiculous prices I knew it was a really bad time to be a buyer.
Bayron Lora bowman 1st. Similar situation with Franco. Goodness
I used to hear it on the nightly news years ago -“And that’s the way it is.” Glad I kept that kidney! Great job, Chris.
Walter Cronkite, right?
@@Gronk79,you are correct!
i was the one who sold the 1992 grid michael schumacuher for 8,000$ turn 1$ card with 50$ grading fee into 8k it was epicness. Now the card is down about 90% or more
Kind of a weird video, IMO. The Hobby Boom had nothing to do with these cards - they are just prospects that failed to become stars. Ohtani, Acuna, etc. cards are doing just fine.
Did this video present any LeBron James cards? Or Jordan? Or Trout?@@ApostleOfMercy
The Kyler Murray situation is even worse because not only has he performed well below his expectations in the NFL, but he was also leaning toward a career in baseball before he decided to go into the NFL. The money was most likely much better, but he has to have dreams (or nightmares) about what he could’ve done in the MLB and he may have been a much better baseball player had he made the alternative choice.
Great video Chris. I really don’t understand why the values of superstar players that are proven and are good role models like Tony Gwynn, Ryne Sandburg, and Cal Ripken are not worth more. Those guys are the best of the best but the value of their cards are a tiny fraction of today’s young players.
Maybe we need more documentaries or movies of these legends so that the younger crowd know how special these guys truly are
I wonder what a 2019 Just Minors Wander Franco would be worth if it existed...
That Zion Williams Prizm card will forever be the card associated with the hobby boom during the pandemic. $1,000 bucks to $40 dollars.
It was Luis Robert for baseball
I kind of want one just because of that 😅
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good video!
Great content!