Yup. The whole weak 10 and strong 9 thing drives me nuts. I know I’m in the minority, but psa not creating a 9.5 is frustrating…especially when you get to high end cards where granularity starts to matter more.
@@willzsportscards Nah, PSA is in the minority with that one. SGC has a 9, 9.5, 10, and Gold Label 10. BGS has 9, 9.5, 10, and Black Label 10. CGC has 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, etc. You need accuracy and precision at the highest grading levels. PSA avoids that at all costs. So many off-centered 10s. So many of the previously stated 9s swapped with 10s. It's the worst. It's the Wal-Mart of grading companies. Do I own a bunch? Of course. Will I be surprised if that empire falls? Not really.
Tpott rants are the best rants in the hobby. Classy calm , full of insight and data. Even if you don’t agree you get to see new cards and learn something new about the hobby you are a True Gem for the hobby thanks for all you do
The entire sports card investor team has killed it in the past previous years, sure they have made mistakes bur they always try thier very best to give good advice, etc. I could give them much more praise but I'll keep it short. Awesome work guys, keep it up & goodluck with the store in the future, just don't burn out & try doing too much
The reason for the gap is because nobody is actually collecting these new cards. They are all to be flipped. If they were worried about collecting they would buy BGS, CGC and SGC slabs
PSA where the ones who graded the famous H. Wagner card,once owned by Wayne Gretzky. This card was bought raw for around $1200. The owner then trimmed the card and sent it out to be graded by PSA.. This was in the mid 90's when grading was just taking off. So PSA grades a trimmed Honus Wagner card that went on to be sold several times and it last sold for 2.5. million dollars. The man who trimmed the card was found guilty in court,but PSA who graded this trimmed card ends up being the top grading company if you're looking for the big bucks. PSA started off shady and has had it's share of other scandals over the years since the Wagner card. The grading system is the middle man of sports cards and they decide who gets to make the big bucks and who doesn't....... With AI why can't cards be graded online for all to see... I'm oppose the middle man (grading companies) my Trout rookie card would never grade 10 but someone else's would... Think about the power of the middle man. Not fair,not fair at all!!
At this point, its a money racket. Its almost entirely like the corruption within the free market - a monopoly. A singular entity gains too much power, creates their own arbitrary laws and rules, everyone falls in line and abides by these guidelines - because for some reason, they are now the authority on artificial scarcity by quality rarity. Over time, it bullies out people that have lesser resources to participate in the hobby. Went from charging to grades cards at a semi-reasonable rate, to now seemingly grading cards a certain rating to maintain a certain population on the grade pop reports, and charging astronomical amounts based on what they think the card might be worth. It's crazy
Its crazy how a PSA 10 is 372K and SGC 10 is 67.1K. So you are telling me a PSA 10 is over 300 Thousand dollars more valuable then a SGC 10. That is ridiculous.
When it comes to grading, especially a card like the Jordan, they are more interested in the scarcity of a PSA 10, not necessarily the better condition.
Card Collecting isnt just for fun no more. Thats at the bottom of the totem pole now and something mostly for Rich ppl and Card thieves. Its more about the Lottery of it and the side hustle after ppl seen what Trout and Mahommes cards were doing during covid.
With that said, the cards are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Condition and Scarcity are merely sales points. Ppl want whatever familiar object that has the most potential to make them the most $$.
@@slimmyhendrix4067 I think Modern lottery started with 1975 Brett Yount and Carter. First time I saw people trying to get 5 or 10 for future value. In basketball magic Bird 79 and football Payton in 75. They hype outside the stort. Anyone remember Todd Zeile played 16 years 265 hitter but his card was never worth more than before the season started because all of the women in St Louis loved him:)
@@RobertLee-wi5kc I feel like the Yount's and others were more so a Collective Hope as oppose to what we started seeing in 2019. 5 and 6 figure cards in packs smh. All of our American sports have collector's Globally now. So many ppl collect now that dont even watch sports. My brother is addicted to Cards but only knows the players from collecting only lol. Stores cant even keep them on the shelf just because there's a 1 and 10,000 chance of pulling something significant. Yeah I remember Zeile very well, he played on the Louisville Redbirds when I was a kid. Ppl here all thought he was a jerk cause he would refuse to sign anything. He had some good yrs but never like the Votto they thought he'd be. The good ole days huh lol
The insight and brutally honest truth.. is sorely welcomed.. and the fact of all the work and time it takes to do the data and the math and the research to put out such informative videos is very great for the hobby thanks for all you do
Everything you’ve said in this video is 100% accurate. And this is why psa is a joke to me. And I’ll never get why the hobby puts such a premium on PSA 10 graded cards. But then again look at the current state of the hobby. The dumbest things make cards run. People have no common sense
This was a great video. I am a 45 year old, new collector, who was roped in by my boys who just started collecting as well. My oldest son, is fascinated by PSA10s, and I've had many discussions with him on this topic. I'm looking to build a PC, and as such, could care less about the graded or slab cards, with the caveat that they are more protected. As a guy just trying to build a collection of cards that I like (I'm not looking to be a high-rolling investor), I see slabbed cards as a barrier to me collecting the cards that I want without spending what feels like a manufactured premium. I think that barrier stands not only before me, but others as well. Especially young collectors, and those without deep, deep pockets. It feels like a hobby once accessible to the masses, regardless of socioeconomic status, appears to be out of reach for the masses. For the record, I do not have any slabs in my PC, but should I get my hands on cards that I wish to protect for my own collection, I think I would look to the grading company that I believe has the best looking slab. Once again, thanks for the great video.
This is why most of collection are PSA 9 cards. I know that PSA 10 cards command a premium now but there just isn’t much difference in eye appeal between a PSA 10 and 9 to justify the price increase. Now I’m not saying that PSA 9 cards will jump in price, I just think PSA 10 cards will come back to the PSA 9 so there is more balance. The example I always use is the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey rookie. The PSA 9 goes for $200 while the PSA 10 goes for $2,000. It makes no sense that 2 cards that many cannot tell the difference is 10x more expensive.
How many more PSA 9 versus PSA 10 are there? Most financially savvy people in the industry avoid mass produced cards like 89 Griffey, but if they do buy they have to go to a PSA 10 to at least have somewhat of a lower pop count.
@@KareemPies49It doesn’t matter the specific pop count as you said it’s not a rare card. I can go on eBay right now and have multiple options at a PSA 9 or 10 Griffey. Thats what it makes no sense that the PSA 10 is 10x more. Now if there were only 40 Griffey PSA 10’s out there, that’s a different story as it would be a tough card to find and push up the price. I hate to say but the reason the Griffey PSA 10 is 10x more is because we have a lot of dumb people in this hobby. They are followers and gravitate to what they feel will please other collectors. In the end, to each his own!
30,000 PSA 9s vs 4,000 PSA 10s. Can you tell the difference between a PSA 6 and 7? It's all perception. But it's a business and in capitalistic market - of course you need to have varying grades (which is subjective at this time). PSA would have failed a long time ago if this wasn't the case. Someone would run a rest and buy 10 KGJR rookies that are graded a 9 and resubmit and see if they can get a 10. Even if you just made some money!
@@brad2879A PSA 7 isn’t worth 10x a PSA 6. The Mint grade has always been the gold standard in all types of collectibles before the GemMint term was invented for sports cards. It’s a scam, it’s an artificially inflated high end market that too many people have bought into in the hobby. I see so many off-centered PSA 10 cards on the market, as it’s an absolute joke. As I said, people can waste their money paying for 10’s, yet there is no difference between a 9 and 10 (hence why people know they can resubmit and eventually get a 10).
@@chrisolivo6591 if you don’t think Pop counts matter then yes this will never make sense to you. Pop counts explain rarity, if there are 40,000 9s and 3,000 10s then it’s a 13X more rare of a card. I never look at this card but id be shocked if 10s sell at 10X unless there are 10 times as many 9s. I buy a lot of cards , never thought about what others think, I look at comps and use logic
I respect PSA and their dominance in the grading industry. Their slabs hold the most value. But the PSA 10 premium is sickening. I pulled a 2023 wemby Select premier silver. PSA 9’s are around the same price as RAW…..RAAAWWWWWWW. But it won’t change unless the consumers do 🤷♂️🤷♂️
T Pott - love the content and message. Please do a Data Dive on the pop report of junk wax rookies graded pop vs modern rookies graded pop and compare why the junk wax rookies pops are lower than the modern pop rookies.
To add to all this, I have searched certain vintage cards’ pop count of the same card in an SGC slab vs PSA, same grade, and the SGC pop count is lower, but the PSA still fetches a higher amount!! This makes no sense. It’s a vintage card, so already rare, it’s in a decent grade slab (let’s say a 7.5-8), they look the same in the slab (and sometimes the SGC looks better), but the PSA still fetches a higher amount!! No sense. A good example: vintage basketball cards. You can pick up a nice Jerry West/Oscar/Wilt for a great discount if the card was graded by SGC. For the 2nd tier players, the gap is even higher! Hall of famers. It’s absurd, but great for those of us patient enough to know that the gap cannot continue for the high end cards. More and more of the ones in a high grade PSA slab are going into PC’s and not see the light of day for a long time. So if the demand for those cards continues (which I anticipate), then those interested buyers will have no option but buy their desired card in an SGC slab (because that’s what they find on the open market and internet). They will have to go to shows if they absolutely want it in PSA. However, for the buyers who primarily rely on the internet for their sales and purchases, SGC is what they will find as a the best available option, especially when they would be more-appropriately priced. That will organically drive up the value of SGC slabs. Same would happen to PSA 9’s, just not as much for the modern cards due to high pop counts. This is what I believe. Let’s see.
I am a fan of SGC, but SGC doesn't "really" have a lower pop count (with everything else being equal). SGC has a lower pop count because they receive fewer grading submissions than PSA. Also, just because a card is vintage doesn't make it rare. Lots of vintage years were produced in pretty large quantities. The rarities with many vintage cards is more based on them having better centering/condition/eye appeal. I am collecting a base Topps player run of Hank Aaron, in mostly SGC 3 and above. There isn't much rare about a mid 60s/70s Hank Aaron card in a mid grade. If there a is a price premium on certain mid-grade vintage cards it's due to eye appeal. There is a non data-driven element to "buying the slab, not the grade" and that is collector OCD. I have slabs in both SGC and PSA, and I will admit displaying them visually together does bother be a little bit. I have had to remind myself I bought the card, and simply try and display my PSA slabs with other PSA slabs, and my SGC with SGCs. For those that started collecting with PSA, they may just never want a different type of slab of this exact reason. Just my two cents.
I totally agree that graded cards are disproportionately valued due to obscure sales figures. Especially a low pop count card. There’s essentially no set value to cards, and they sell for what the market provides. The graded cards are great for higher populations in order to set the higher quality apart from lower, but honestly the graders are so inconsistent, there needs to be a set standard universally followed and proofable before a grade will actually have tangible and comparable value. Essentially, Graders need to be graded or governed. Probably impossible.
I'm a dad and my family is a single income home (me). I like to collect for my little kids to give them something nice when they get older and I also like to try to buy and flip so I can make more money to give them a better life. Sadly if it's not a PSA 10 its almost not worth grading due grading fee and etc.. I truly wish PSA had some good competition, but everyone wants a PSA 10.
THANK YOU for making this video. This is why I almost exclusivley buy BGS/SGC slabs when buying gem mint graded cards. Makes no sense paying that premium. If the player performs and the card goes up all the gem mint copies will rise. If the player stinks, you lowered your exposure
I know you may not agree with this but it’s to extent to just buy sgc and bgs and send it to psa for regrading , I actually really enjoy bgs by the way
@@EdAnde I think they are in a death spiral unfortunately. It would take dramatic changes to turn that company around. Slab redesign, new labels, better marketing, turn around times, pricing. Basically all they have going for them is their brand name, sub grades, and labels
Hey T-Pot thanks for the informative video personally my choice of grading companies are BGS,PSA,SGC,&TAG. I don’t have a 1 dominates all choice despite the price difference and PSA being king of the market.As long as it’s a 9 or higher and slabbed I’m happy
At the national in Chi there was a frame of about 20 PSA 10 Jordan Fleer 57s together. And the difference between them was staggering. But what there was basically none of in the whole show was an 8.5 or better Jordan Star 101, or Star 288 both from his actual rookie season. So yeah buy the rare card, not the # on the plastic holder.
@pattysCards nailed it !! To top it all off, our hobby is now full of those who follow rather than think for themselves. I am a pure BGS fan and have crossed many directions with all companies. Beckett is the most consistent
Blesssup T Pott!, I was that kid in the 90's dings didnt stop a trade if you really wanted that card...I have 3 binders full of 90's rookies and inserts and I never sent anything in for grading but after looking through my binders, I do want to send my 3 kobe rookies, Garnett, iverson, untouched for 25yrs im gathering some to send off "But should I send to PSA?". I have a lot of rookies from that era and some inserts do have wear and dings and some still looking like the day I pulled them from $2 packs lol! I have a 1993 Upper Deck SE Behind The Glass Michael Jordan insert umtouched and traded for the whole set in the 90's for 2 penny hardaway inserts....I have tons of MJ inserts and been looking to send some in for grading.
I would only send in cards where you can’t see any flaws to the naked eye… if you can see roughed up corners it will most likely be a 7 or 8…. In that condition a 4,000 dollar card turns in to a 50 dollar card in a slab…
I got out of the hobby in 1993 (kids) and just got back in a 4 months ago. This subject, among many other things, is one difference that has stood out to me. Seeing the insane prices for highly graded cards, I have been happily buying PSA 8's and even 7's at deep discounts because I get FAR more pleasure over owning the card than any care that it isn't perfect. A little ding here or there gives a card character and uniqeness and is a great reminder of what collecting is really about for me. That said if it gives others joy to own perfect 10's at premium prices then good for them too. Just don't look down on others who may not care about that as much as you do.
what worries me is if you are holding a large stock of PSA slabs and something happens (a shift in the hobby, a scandal with psa, etc) and all of those cards drop in value ... we are kind of vulnerable to something like that happening. It happened with BGS slabs sort of, and PSA is not immune. They certainly have their share of horror stories ...
It’s cool if you guys like less desirable cards and grading companies yourself. But ideally we wouldn’t be making videos to spread bad advice to others. Some people like to eat a lot of fast food or smoke cigarettes, but let’s not encourage others to do so.
Simple as that : The people behind PSA are pushing an artificial value on something almost identical as Beckett 9.5. The price gap is ridiculous. People in the hobby needs to wake up.
Good stuff. Idea for follow-up: How has the PSA GM 10 multiplier ratio changed over time for iconic cards, and what does that tell us about the long-term market? Useful both for people buying/selling those cards but also maybe tells us how the most premium modern cards will appreciate.
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I’m with you on all this. That MJ collection you put together that matched the value of the 86 Fleer PSA 10 “Gold Sticker” was insane, and I’d probably take even half of those cards over one RC PSA 10. But that also doesn’t mean I don’t like grading, because I do, but it has its own place in my PC, and that doesn’t include overpaying for base cards just because they’re in a gem mint slab. I’m currently working on a full PSA 10 run of all Deni Avdija’s serial numbered red and blue Prizm RCs because that was an added challenge to just collecting those raw (and luckily I bought and graded most of these myself before his prices started skyrocketing recently - I saw him as #3 in the top 5 cards last week!). Since they’re serial numbered, they’re already limited, and the gem rates in 2020 Prizm basketball card are not great. Almost every card has a gem rate under 50%, and some of these that I’m chasing are even worse than that. Two of them are a pop 1 in PSA 10, and luckily I own both of those! If I can manage to complete the full run, it will be a true 1-of-1 collection, just because the pop 1’s will prevent anyone else from completing the same set, unless of course there are new gems graded, but I wouldn’t bet on that given the condition issues on most of these. I only have one more left to complete the run, and I cracked an SGC 9.5 slab and submitted that to PSA hoping it could bump to a 10. I just got that sub back today…it got a 9 :( That last card is only a pop 4 PSA 10 and I’ve never seen one for sale. I hope one day I can find one!
I collect super rare cards as a collector. I buy the card because I need the card. As long as its authentic and in good shape it doesn't matter who grades it
Makes No sense to me! I have been saying this for the longest. Also, I don't get why you would pay $20 dollars to get a card graded who's value is in the $0 -$199 price range. They say the $20 is for insurance purposes for the return of the card. Now I can understand if your card grades out as a PSA 10 now the value of the card is on the high end of the spectrum ($100-$199). So what happens when your card grades out to a 8 or less now the value of the card is worth a few dollars. So now in a since you have paid $20 for a card worth a few dollars. So if the $20 is for insurance purposes PSA should be refunding you the difference in value but they don't. That is my biggest dilemma paying these high grading prices and getting told the cost is to cover insurance on you card on the return now the card does not graded out on the high end so you technically should have paid insurance on a lower valued card but you didn't and they get to keep the difference. They need to make it make since. Not a fan of the procedure. I advocate for a governing body to over see card grading to make sure the consumer is not being taken advantage of. Just my opinion.
Dude, totally agree with your sentiments and overall thesis, thanks for sharing so others can see the light! I also hate when a card I've been looking for pops up in a PSA10 for auction, I know there's no way I'll be able to get it! There has only been one time ever it worked out, that 2014 Prizm Gold (/10) Zack Greinke PSA 10 for $100, never clicked Buy It Now so fast!
Great job T-Pott, I appreciate a channel and someone with influence finally addressing this nonsense. The shilling of and fanboying over PSA 10 slabs is and has been for some time now quite ridiculous. It is easily understood why people mostly flippers within the hobby talk up the values of their PSA 10 slabs since so much of their business and flipping collection consist of these slabs. However, discounting other third party graders more detailed yet differently scaled slabs not due to superiority but due to a chosen difference in simple numbering systems is ridiculous (PSA GEM MINT 10, BGS GEM MINT 9.5) and only preys on the ignorance of collectors who understand nothing other than following trends and the intentionally poor advice of those trying to sell them something. Kinda reminds me of when Burger King tried selling a 1/3 pound hamburger for less than a McDonalds 1/4 hamburger. More meat at a cheaper price, but due to consumers ability to be fooled by simplistic math and a misunderstanding of what numbers truly represent we get this mind boggling, nonsensical following of manipulated trends that make absolutely no sense. In theory the following can be and is most likely true… PSA sub grades: C-9 E-9.5 C-9.5 S-9.5 Equals PSA 10 McDonalds 1/4 pounder BGS Sub grades: C-9.5 E-9.5 C-10 S-10 Equals BGS 9.5 Burger King 1/3 Pounder 😁
Buying a Gold marked PSA makes sense that it would go for more but the question that should be discussed is why a premium company like PSA's 10's are being graded by another individual or company for eye appeal. Are they not already GEM Mint? Goes to show you the scam that is both grading and PSA's lack of quality control. As PSA themselves have said. One grader could give it a 10 and another grader can give the same card a 9. So many people have drank the PSA kool-aid and in truth they are one of the worse "grade" companies.
Your points at the end are positive for the few of us left who adore a favorite team or player and collect cards just for the fun of it. It's an investment scheme now, not a hobby. Might as well be flipping houses, classic cars, pink sheets or crypto and just as volatile. Not to mention the endless prisms, refractors and other limited edition nonsense. Worst part are the arbitrary grading standards of the different houses. How does a BGS 10 become a PSA 9 on a reslab. REALLY?? Such a sad state of affairs, indeed.
Great rant TPot. I’m not a big fan of grading however I do like the idea of a card being slabbed for protection. There are 2 reasons I like the protection aspect. I like that the card is a verifiable real copy vs a scammers copy. When I started collecting there were so many shady people in the hobby that Beckett had to put a warning label in the magazine. That dates me lol. However I am not concerned with the grade because I truly don’t believe there is a 10. I just want a decent looking authentic copy
I’ve been thinking about this for over a year. With AI grading becoming more common, the slab will be a preference and the prices won’t be so different.
The real question is: Are the PSA slabs overpriced or are the SGC 10 and BGS 9.5s underpriced? What is the "true" value of a "Gem Mint" example of any given card?
With respect to your 27k vs 370k for a tiny bit of corner wear at 6:40 I agree that is WAY WAY too much premium, BUT high-end collectors/investors in any collectible will always pay more for the "best" of something. There is a competitive aspect to all of this and just having one of something will never be the same as owning the very best of something.
Just shut the door already 😅 it's ridiculous the gap between grading companies and it seems the gap between 9s and 10s is getting greater. Been waiting for you to do this video, you did a great job 👍
If you look at the yellow ring around that PSA Jordan you'll see that on the bottom the yellow goes outside the black edge lines. That drives me nuts. No way should it get a gold sticker. I think if SGC had thinner less bulky slabs like PSA they would be my go-to as they have a more neutral colored label. The PSA slab is perfect, just their red labels sometimes clash with certain cards. I play the PSA 9 game. They are priced cheaper and the pop reports are likely overstated from crack/resubmits. Not all 9s are equal. Obviously the perfect 9 is one you can't see any imperfections on. Keep those. There are some with a tipped corner or centering issues on the back that are also acceptable. I keep those too. But then there are some with surface scratches on the front or a print line that doesn't show up easy in photos. I'll resell those on consignment and buy another until I'm happy with it. Last sale of a PSA 10 2002 Topps chrome Tom Brady Refractor is $22k. For around 2k I own it in a 9 and can't see a single thing wrong with it. I'd rather have multiple 9s with extra cash in my pocket. If I were rich, I don't think I would think any differently.
Agree. All these people saying, “if you were rich you would be want the PSA 10s”. FALSE. I would still buy the BGS 9.5, SGC 10, or PSA 9 for half the price for better and pocket the extra money and buy something else I want as well
@T Pott - you should do a follow up video if/when the PSA Gold Label card sells, then compare that value increase to the other cards that could have been bought. It would be interesting to see if the value of one card outperforms the value of the other cards. Would be good to see.
100% agree. I do not see any rational reason for the price gap between grading companies and the grades of the same company. My strategy is to keep costs low.
I am new to collecting and grading. I am collecting Mattingly era cards and I also don't understand why on these "cheaper" cards a 9 is $15 and a 10 is $100. That is a 300% difference for a small defect. Therefore, I am using CGC to grade my cards. At least if I need to sell any, I ain't losing money, hopefully breaking even.
Most people in hobby don't understand why grading is the way it is or how PSA became so popular. They also ignore how unethical PSA was during the pandemic. There is ZERO reason PSA is better than BGS, SGC, CSG, or ISA. The hobby needs set standards for grading.
Has anyone seen one of the gretzky psa 10 rookie card? I was dumbfounded. The whole right side is destroyed looking like it was ripped off another card. It looks like it is a psa 5 at best. I haven't seen the other 2 psa 10, but I was shocked.
We are the very few that really only care about collecting anymore. Pricing tools have made it much easier for people to pay less and less for each time a card sells. Every won auction is an overpriced card. Remember when Beckett magazines overhyped the prices, we’ll pricing tools did the same but only in a much faster time thanks to the internet.
I have done my best to utilize the price differences honestly. I think we will be in a time where SGC and PSA will be called almost identical. But that's only my opinion which don't matter to much.
Grading base set rookies is crazy to me it should be saved for rarer hard to find cards. For example I'm an Eagles fan and just came across Jalen Hurts Don Russ Elite Spellbound sets, I think they are really cool. Full set of 5 cards numbered to 99 is $180, PSA 10 non numbered not signed rated rookie holo variant same price.
whats insane is this..they are all doing the EXACT SAME THING..they authenticate the card, and verify its condition. please explain how PSA does it any different lol
And half the 10's are 9's and half the 9's are 10's......its a joke
100% a fact
This. 100% this.
Yup. The whole weak 10 and strong 9 thing drives me nuts. I know I’m in the minority, but psa not creating a 9.5 is frustrating…especially when you get to high end cards where granularity starts to matter more.
@@willzsportscards Nah, PSA is in the minority with that one. SGC has a 9, 9.5, 10, and Gold Label 10. BGS has 9, 9.5, 10, and Black Label 10. CGC has 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, etc. You need accuracy and precision at the highest grading levels. PSA avoids that at all costs. So many off-centered 10s. So many of the previously stated 9s swapped with 10s. It's the worst. It's the Wal-Mart of grading companies. Do I own a bunch? Of course. Will I be surprised if that empire falls? Not really.
Well said
Tpott rants are the best rants in the hobby. Classy calm , full of insight and data. Even if you don’t agree you get to see new cards and learn something new about the hobby you are a True Gem for the hobby thanks for all you do
The entire sports card investor team has killed it in the past previous years, sure they have made mistakes bur they always try thier very best to give good advice, etc.
I could give them much more praise but I'll keep it short.
Awesome work guys, keep it up & goodluck with the store in the future, just don't burn out & try doing too much
The reason for the gap is because nobody is actually collecting these new cards. They are all to be flipped. If they were worried about collecting they would buy BGS, CGC and SGC slabs
This is just not true. PSA is the most prestigious, thus more collectors will buy and pay a premium.
@@ryo1549 overrated
Not sure I would classify a nearly 30 year old, pre junk wax era card as a new card
Spot on....its about the slab not the card
I collect these new cards! Only super rare tho. I love the rare game worn/used patches and 1/1s. Unicorn farm
Honestly, I have come full circle and am going back to looking for BGS 9.5's
9s all day brotha and 8 is always my magic number for everything
What’s actually crazier is psa upcharge up to thousands for one card
PSA where the ones who graded the famous H. Wagner card,once owned by Wayne Gretzky.
This card was bought raw for around $1200.
The owner then trimmed the card and sent it out to be graded by PSA..
This was in the mid 90's when grading was just taking off.
So PSA grades a
trimmed Honus Wagner card that went on to be sold several times and it last sold for 2.5. million dollars.
The man who trimmed the card was found guilty in court,but PSA who graded this trimmed card ends up being the top grading company if you're looking for the big bucks.
PSA started off shady and has had it's share of other scandals over the years since the Wagner card.
The grading system is the middle man of sports cards and they decide who gets to make the big bucks and who doesn't.......
With AI why can't cards be graded online for all to see...
I'm oppose the middle man (grading companies) my Trout rookie card would never grade 10 but someone else's would...
Think about the power of the middle man.
Not fair,not fair at all!!
Easiest way to take from you. Theft by "fee".
At this point, its a money racket. Its almost entirely like the corruption within the free market - a monopoly. A singular entity gains too much power, creates their own arbitrary laws and rules, everyone falls in line and abides by these guidelines - because for some reason, they are now the authority on artificial scarcity by quality rarity. Over time, it bullies out people that have lesser resources to participate in the hobby. Went from charging to grades cards at a semi-reasonable rate, to now seemingly grading cards a certain rating to maintain a certain population on the grade pop reports, and charging astronomical amounts based on what they think the card might be worth. It's crazy
Lol $27k for a BGS 9.5? It's probably in better condition than the PSA. You no longer need 4 sharp corners to get a PSA 10
Yes the price differences between grades is insane.
Thank God! You make so much sense it hurts. I've been laughed at for picking up rare cards in psa 9
Optimal collector grade is different than investment grade. For collectors it makes more sense to buy the 9
No one should laugh at that , everyone has their own price they are comfortable with .
Its crazy how a PSA 10 is 372K and SGC 10 is 67.1K. So you are telling me a PSA 10 is over 300 Thousand dollars more valuable then a SGC 10. That is ridiculous.
When it comes to grading, especially a card like the Jordan, they are more interested in the scarcity of a PSA 10, not necessarily the better condition.
Card Collecting isnt just for fun no more. Thats at the bottom of the totem pole now and something mostly for Rich ppl and Card thieves. Its more about the Lottery of it and the side hustle after ppl seen what Trout and Mahommes cards were doing during covid.
With that said, the cards are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Condition and Scarcity are merely sales points. Ppl want whatever familiar object that has the most potential to make them the most $$.
@@slimmyhendrix4067 I think Modern lottery started with 1975 Brett Yount and Carter. First time I saw people trying to get 5 or 10 for future value. In basketball magic Bird 79 and football Payton in 75. They hype outside the stort. Anyone remember Todd Zeile played 16 years 265 hitter but his card was never worth more than before the season started because all of the women in St Louis loved him:)
@@RobertLee-wi5kc I feel like the Yount's and others were more so a Collective Hope as oppose to what we started seeing in 2019. 5 and 6 figure cards in packs smh.
All of our American sports have collector's Globally now. So many ppl collect now that dont even watch sports. My brother is addicted to Cards but only knows the players from collecting only lol. Stores cant even keep them on the shelf just because there's a 1 and 10,000 chance of pulling something significant.
Yeah I remember Zeile very well, he played on the Louisville Redbirds when I was a kid. Ppl here all thought he was a jerk cause he would refuse to sign anything. He had some good yrs but never like the Votto they thought he'd be.
The good ole days huh lol
They aren't scarce though.
The insight and brutally honest truth.. is sorely welcomed.. and the fact of all the work and time it takes to do the data and the math and the research to put out such informative videos is very great for the hobby thanks for all you do
Everything you’ve said in this video is 100% accurate. And this is why psa is a joke to me. And I’ll never get why the hobby puts such a premium on PSA 10 graded cards. But then again look at the current state of the hobby. The dumbest things make cards run. People have no common sense
I have thinking this for a while as well. Thank you for this video. It needed to be said.
This was a great video. I am a 45 year old, new collector, who was roped in by my boys who just started collecting as well. My oldest son, is fascinated by PSA10s, and I've had many discussions with him on this topic. I'm looking to build a PC, and as such, could care less about the graded or slab cards, with the caveat that they are more protected. As a guy just trying to build a collection of cards that I like (I'm not looking to be a high-rolling investor), I see slabbed cards as a barrier to me collecting the cards that I want without spending what feels like a manufactured premium. I think that barrier stands not only before me, but others as well. Especially young collectors, and those without deep, deep pockets. It feels like a hobby once accessible to the masses, regardless of socioeconomic status, appears to be out of reach for the masses. For the record, I do not have any slabs in my PC, but should I get my hands on cards that I wish to protect for my own collection, I think I would look to the grading company that I believe has the best looking slab. Once again, thanks for the great video.
Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
This is why most of collection are PSA 9 cards. I know that PSA 10 cards command a premium now but there just isn’t much difference in eye appeal between a PSA 10 and 9 to justify the price increase. Now I’m not saying that PSA 9 cards will jump in price, I just think PSA 10 cards will come back to the PSA 9 so there is more balance.
The example I always use is the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey rookie. The PSA 9 goes for $200 while the PSA 10 goes for $2,000. It makes no sense that 2 cards that many cannot tell the difference is 10x more expensive.
How many more PSA 9 versus PSA 10 are there? Most financially savvy people in the industry avoid mass produced cards like 89 Griffey, but if they do buy they have to go to a PSA 10 to at least have somewhat of a lower pop count.
@@KareemPies49It doesn’t matter the specific pop count as you said it’s not a rare card. I can go on eBay right now and have multiple options at a PSA 9 or 10 Griffey. Thats what it makes no sense that the PSA 10 is 10x more. Now if there were only 40 Griffey PSA 10’s out there, that’s a different story as it would be a tough card to find and push up the price.
I hate to say but the reason the Griffey PSA 10 is 10x more is because we have a lot of dumb people in this hobby. They are followers and gravitate to what they feel will please other collectors. In the end, to each his own!
30,000 PSA 9s vs 4,000 PSA 10s. Can you tell the difference between a PSA 6 and 7? It's all perception. But it's a business and in capitalistic market - of course you need to have varying grades (which is subjective at this time). PSA would have failed a long time ago if this wasn't the case. Someone would run a rest and buy 10 KGJR rookies that are graded a 9 and resubmit and see if they can get a 10. Even if you just made some money!
@@brad2879A PSA 7 isn’t worth 10x a PSA 6. The Mint grade has always been the gold standard in all types of collectibles before the GemMint term was invented for sports cards. It’s a scam, it’s an artificially inflated high end market that too many people have bought into in the hobby. I see so many off-centered PSA 10 cards on the market, as it’s an absolute joke. As I said, people can waste their money paying for 10’s, yet there is no difference between a 9 and 10 (hence why people know they can resubmit and eventually get a 10).
@@chrisolivo6591 if you don’t think Pop counts matter then yes this will never make sense to you. Pop counts explain rarity, if there are 40,000 9s and 3,000 10s then it’s a 13X more rare of a card. I never look at this card but id be shocked if 10s sell at 10X unless there are 10 times as many 9s.
I buy a lot of cards , never thought about what others think, I look at comps and use logic
💯 Thanks for the truth T Pott!
You know things are crazy when the cases to protect the slabs cost more than grading the cards.
Is it me or does the Gem MT Jordan PSA 10 shown @ 5:18 looked pinched by the PSA case at the bottom? Especially when he zooms in??????
I respect PSA and their dominance in the grading industry. Their slabs hold the most value. But the PSA 10 premium is sickening. I pulled a 2023 wemby Select premier silver. PSA 9’s are around the same price as RAW…..RAAAWWWWWWW. But it won’t change unless the consumers do 🤷♂️🤷♂️
OH BTW, I love the quality of your videos! Can't say enough good things about you guys are doing for "the hobby we love".
Giving another sticker and grade to an already graded card is dumb too
That BGS 9.5 '86 Fleer Jordan at 5:45 is like a PSA 8 graded there.
T Pott - love the content and message.
Please do a Data Dive on the pop report of junk wax rookies graded pop vs modern rookies graded pop and compare why the junk wax rookies pops are lower than the modern pop rookies.
Long time collector here. I grade my cards and sell most of my PSA 10s and the profits I use to build my PC.
To add to all this, I have searched certain vintage cards’ pop count of the same card in an SGC slab vs PSA, same grade, and the SGC pop count is lower, but the PSA still fetches a higher amount!! This makes no sense. It’s a vintage card, so already rare, it’s in a decent grade slab (let’s say a 7.5-8), they look the same in the slab (and sometimes the SGC looks better), but the PSA still fetches a higher amount!! No sense. A good example: vintage basketball cards. You can pick up a nice Jerry West/Oscar/Wilt for a great discount if the card was graded by SGC. For the 2nd tier players, the gap is even higher! Hall of famers. It’s absurd, but great for those of us patient enough to know that the gap cannot continue for the high end cards. More and more of the ones in a high grade PSA slab are going into PC’s and not see the light of day for a long time. So if the demand for those cards continues (which I anticipate), then those interested buyers will have no option but buy their desired card in an SGC slab (because that’s what they find on the open market and internet). They will have to go to shows if they absolutely want it in PSA. However, for the buyers who primarily rely on the internet for their sales and purchases, SGC is what they will find as a the best available option, especially when they would be more-appropriately priced. That will organically drive up the value of SGC slabs. Same would happen to PSA 9’s, just not as much for the modern cards due to high pop counts. This is what I believe. Let’s see.
I am a fan of SGC, but SGC doesn't "really" have a lower pop count (with everything else being equal). SGC has a lower pop count because they receive fewer grading submissions than PSA. Also, just because a card is vintage doesn't make it rare. Lots of vintage years were produced in pretty large quantities. The rarities with many vintage cards is more based on them having better centering/condition/eye appeal. I am collecting a base Topps player run of Hank Aaron, in mostly SGC 3 and above. There isn't much rare about a mid 60s/70s Hank Aaron card in a mid grade. If there a is a price premium on certain mid-grade vintage cards it's due to eye appeal.
There is a non data-driven element to "buying the slab, not the grade" and that is collector OCD. I have slabs in both SGC and PSA, and I will admit displaying them visually together does bother be a little bit. I have had to remind myself I bought the card, and simply try and display my PSA slabs with other PSA slabs, and my SGC with SGCs. For those that started collecting with PSA, they may just never want a different type of slab of this exact reason. Just my two cents.
...and PSA doesnt even disclose why a 10 and why not a 9...Beckett DOES!
Beckett are the best of a bad bunch
I totally agree that graded cards are disproportionately valued due to obscure sales figures. Especially a low pop count card. There’s essentially no set value to cards, and they sell for what the market provides. The graded cards are great for higher populations in order to set the higher quality apart from lower, but honestly the graders are so inconsistent, there needs to be a set standard universally followed and proofable before a grade will actually have tangible and comparable value. Essentially, Graders need to be graded or governed. Probably impossible.
I'm a dad and my family is a single income home (me). I like to collect for my little kids to give them something nice when they get older and I also like to try to buy and flip so I can make more money to give them a better life. Sadly if it's not a PSA 10 its almost not worth grading due grading fee and etc..
I truly wish PSA had some good competition, but everyone wants a PSA 10.
Stocks are better for building wealth
THANK YOU for making this video. This is why I almost exclusivley buy BGS/SGC slabs when buying gem mint graded cards. Makes no sense paying that premium. If the player performs and the card goes up all the gem mint copies will rise. If the player stinks, you lowered your exposure
I know you may not agree with this but it’s to extent to just buy sgc and bgs and send it to psa for regrading , I actually really enjoy bgs by the way
@@EdAnde I don’t know what you are trying to say in your comment “it’s to extent to buy BGS”. What does that mean?
@@ryanra44 that bgs has always been the go to for grading and that if it were to ever be on top again it wouldn’t surprise me one bit at all
@@EdAnde I think they are in a death spiral unfortunately. It would take dramatic changes to turn that company around. Slab redesign, new labels, better marketing, turn around times, pricing. Basically all they have going for them is their brand name, sub grades, and labels
I collect SGC 8 Jordan’s. The difference between an 8 and a 10 is literally almost microscopic. Buy the card, not the grade. For PC anyways.
Ive seen several PSA 10 MJ RCs look worse than that 9.5 BGS at 5:53, and those PSA 10s were S Tier eye appeal being sold on premier auction at PWCC
Hey T-Pot thanks for the informative video personally my choice of grading companies are BGS,PSA,SGC,&TAG. I don’t have a 1 dominates all choice despite the price difference and PSA being king of the market.As long as it’s a 9 or higher and slabbed I’m happy
At the national in Chi there was a frame of about 20 PSA 10 Jordan Fleer 57s together. And the difference between them was staggering. But what there was basically none of in the whole show was an 8.5 or better Jordan Star 101, or Star 288 both from his actual rookie season. So yeah buy the rare card, not the # on the plastic holder.
@High_Speed_Card_Chase so true!
It shows an obsession with perfection. There's a reason I stay in the low end market, it's just gotten berserk on the high end market.
@pattysCards nailed it !! To top it all off, our hobby is now full of those who follow rather than think for themselves. I am a pure BGS fan and have crossed many directions with all companies. Beckett is the most consistent
Would it help if I toss a Hundo in my box when I send my card in to get graded? LMAO
Blesssup T Pott!, I was that kid in the 90's dings didnt stop a trade if you really wanted that card...I have 3 binders full of 90's rookies and inserts and I never sent anything in for grading
but after looking through my binders, I do want to send my 3 kobe rookies, Garnett, iverson, untouched for 25yrs im gathering some to send off "But should I send to PSA?". I have a lot of rookies from that era and some inserts do have wear and dings and some still looking like the day I pulled them from $2 packs lol! I have a 1993 Upper Deck SE Behind The Glass Michael Jordan insert umtouched and traded for the whole set in the 90's for 2 penny hardaway inserts....I have tons of MJ inserts and been looking to send some in for grading.
I would only send in cards where you can’t see any flaws to the naked eye… if you can see roughed up corners it will most likely be a 7 or 8…. In that condition a 4,000 dollar card turns in to a 50 dollar card in a slab…
I totally agree. Great video. The gap makes no sense at all.
With older cards I absolutely can see why the gap. Much harder to get 10’s on them
I got out of the hobby in 1993 (kids) and just got back in a 4 months ago. This subject, among many other things, is one difference that has stood out to me.
Seeing the insane prices for highly graded cards, I have been happily buying PSA 8's and even 7's at deep discounts because I get FAR more pleasure over owning the card than any care that it isn't perfect. A little ding here or there gives a card character and uniqeness and is a great reminder of what collecting is really about for me. That said if it gives others joy to own perfect 10's at premium prices then good for them too. Just don't look down on others who may not care about that as much as you do.
what worries me is if you are holding a large stock of PSA slabs and something happens (a shift in the hobby, a scandal with psa, etc) and all of those cards drop in value ... we are kind of vulnerable to something like that happening. It happened with BGS slabs sort of, and PSA is not immune. They certainly have their share of horror stories ...
I have thought this forever. 12.00 psa 9. 1700 psa 10. Pure ridiculous. Thankfully I love. SGC. And love 8's and 9.5.
It’s cool if you guys like less desirable cards and grading companies yourself. But ideally we wouldn’t be making videos to spread bad advice to others. Some people like to eat a lot of fast food or smoke cigarettes, but let’s not encourage others to do so.
Dude, you are spot on on this topic. I completely agree with everything you're saying. It's getting out of hand.
Simple as that : The people behind PSA are pushing an artificial value on something almost identical as Beckett 9.5. The price gap is ridiculous. People in the hobby needs to wake up.
I think the market is starting to correct a lot on this. Glad to finally see it.
Good stuff.
Idea for follow-up: How has the PSA GM 10 multiplier ratio changed over time for iconic cards, and what does that tell us about the long-term market? Useful both for people buying/selling those cards but also maybe tells us how the most premium modern cards will appreciate.
That’s why it’s so tough for me to grade my cards prices are so ridiculous
This is how companies lose their number one spot is because of greed!
Great content. Keep it going. Would like to see a top 5 with comparison of PSA, SGC, CSG, and BGS prices
I collect hockey. A couple years ago a BGS 9.5 was equal to or had a higher value to a PSA 10. Now the PSA 10s are 2.5-5x - makes no sense to me!!
I have a few old bvg 9s with the subgrades on the back that look PSA 10. They are still 1 of 1 in the pop report too.
PSA has an insurance policy on their slabs where they’ll buy it if it winds up being inauthentic. How was this not mentioned?
I totally. Agree,,,,,, with you,,,,,,i remember i told GEOFF ,,3 YRS AGO,,,TO INVEST IN SHOHEI OHTANI,,,AND HE WROTE ME BACK ,,,AND SAID ,,,,,,HES NOT SELLING....RIGHT NOW,,,,,,,,,FUNNY HUH,,,,,,psa Mafia,,, FAMILY
Excellent point. Very true. PSA 10 is all about status.
thank you for calling out these scam artists
I’m with you on all this. That MJ collection you put together that matched the value of the 86 Fleer PSA 10 “Gold Sticker” was insane, and I’d probably take even half of those cards over one RC PSA 10. But that also doesn’t mean I don’t like grading, because I do, but it has its own place in my PC, and that doesn’t include overpaying for base cards just because they’re in a gem mint slab.
I’m currently working on a full PSA 10 run of all Deni Avdija’s serial numbered red and blue Prizm RCs because that was an added challenge to just collecting those raw (and luckily I bought and graded most of these myself before his prices started skyrocketing recently - I saw him as #3 in the top 5 cards last week!). Since they’re serial numbered, they’re already limited, and the gem rates in 2020 Prizm basketball card are not great. Almost every card has a gem rate under 50%, and some of these that I’m chasing are even worse than that. Two of them are a pop 1 in PSA 10, and luckily I own both of those!
If I can manage to complete the full run, it will be a true 1-of-1 collection, just because the pop 1’s will prevent anyone else from completing the same set, unless of course there are new gems graded, but I wouldn’t bet on that given the condition issues on most of these. I only have one more left to complete the run, and I cracked an SGC 9.5 slab and submitted that to PSA hoping it could bump to a 10. I just got that sub back today…it got a 9 :( That last card is only a pop 4 PSA 10 and I’ve never seen one for sale. I hope one day I can find one!
Thanks for watching! And good luck with the chase :)
Great insight from the soapbox, T-Pott! Lovin’ the new background scenery as well 👌🏼
I collect super rare cards as a collector. I buy the card because I need the card. As long as its authentic and in good shape it doesn't matter who grades it
Makes No sense to me! I have been saying this for the longest. Also, I don't get why you would pay $20 dollars to get a card graded who's value is in the $0 -$199 price range. They say the $20 is for insurance purposes for the return of the card. Now I can understand if your card grades out as a PSA 10 now the value of the card is on the high end of the spectrum ($100-$199). So what happens when your card grades out to a 8 or less now the value of the card is worth a few dollars. So now in a since you have paid $20 for a card worth a few dollars. So if the $20 is for insurance purposes PSA should be refunding you the difference in value but they don't. That is my biggest dilemma paying these high grading prices and getting told the cost is to cover insurance on you card on the return now the card does not graded out on the high end so you technically should have paid insurance on a lower valued card but you didn't and they get to keep the difference. They need to make it make since. Not a fan of the procedure. I advocate for a governing body to over see card grading to make sure the consumer is not being taken advantage of. Just my opinion.
Love the video. It blows my mind too on the gaps for certain cards.
Wait till you look up vintage cards from 9s to 10s… crazy multipliers
Dude, totally agree with your sentiments and overall thesis, thanks for sharing so others can see the light! I also hate when a card I've been looking for pops up in a PSA10 for auction, I know there's no way I'll be able to get it! There has only been one time ever it worked out, that 2014 Prizm Gold (/10) Zack Greinke PSA 10 for $100, never clicked Buy It Now so fast!
Great job T-Pott, I appreciate a channel and someone with influence finally addressing this nonsense. The shilling of and fanboying over PSA 10 slabs is and has been for some time now quite ridiculous.
It is easily understood why people mostly flippers within the hobby talk up the values of their PSA 10 slabs since so much of their business and flipping collection consist of these slabs.
However, discounting other third party graders more detailed yet differently scaled slabs not due to superiority but due to a chosen difference in simple numbering systems is ridiculous (PSA GEM MINT 10, BGS GEM MINT 9.5) and only preys on the ignorance of collectors who understand nothing other than following trends and the intentionally poor advice of those trying to sell them something.
Kinda reminds me of when Burger King tried selling a 1/3 pound hamburger for less than a McDonalds 1/4 hamburger. More meat at a cheaper price, but due to consumers ability to be fooled by simplistic math and a misunderstanding of what numbers truly represent we get this mind boggling, nonsensical following of manipulated trends that make absolutely no sense.
In theory the following can be and is most likely true…
PSA sub grades:
C-9
E-9.5
C-9.5
S-9.5
Equals PSA 10
McDonalds 1/4 pounder
BGS Sub grades:
C-9.5
E-9.5
C-10
S-10
Equals BGS 9.5
Burger King 1/3 Pounder
😁
Buying a Gold marked PSA makes sense that it would go for more but the question that should be discussed is why a premium company like PSA's 10's are being graded by another individual or company for eye appeal. Are they not already GEM Mint? Goes to show you the scam that is both grading and PSA's lack of quality control. As PSA themselves have said. One grader could give it a 10 and another grader can give the same card a 9. So many people have drank the PSA kool-aid and in truth they are one of the worse "grade" companies.
372k usd That’s price of a high end apartment here in Taiwan,Taipei 😆
Your points at the end are positive for the few of us left who adore a favorite team or player and collect cards just for the fun of it.
It's an investment scheme now, not a hobby. Might as well be flipping houses, classic cars, pink sheets or crypto and just as volatile. Not to mention the endless prisms, refractors and other limited edition nonsense.
Worst part are the arbitrary grading standards of the different houses. How does a BGS 10 become a PSA 9 on a reslab. REALLY??
Such a sad state of affairs, indeed.
Great rant TPot. I’m not a big fan of grading however I do like the idea of a card being slabbed for protection. There are 2 reasons I like the protection aspect. I like that the card is a verifiable real copy vs a scammers copy. When I started collecting there were so many shady people in the hobby that Beckett had to put a warning label in the magazine. That dates me lol. However I am not concerned with the grade because I truly don’t believe there is a 10. I just want a decent looking authentic copy
I’ve been thinking about this for over a year. With AI grading becoming more common, the slab will be a preference and the prices won’t be so different.
The real question is: Are the PSA slabs overpriced or are the SGC 10 and BGS 9.5s underpriced? What is the "true" value of a "Gem Mint" example of any given card?
With respect to your 27k vs 370k for a tiny bit of corner wear at 6:40 I agree that is WAY WAY too much premium, BUT high-end collectors/investors in any collectible will always pay more for the "best" of something. There is a competitive aspect to all of this and just having one of something will never be the same as owning the very best of something.
Just shut the door already 😅 it's ridiculous the gap between grading companies and it seems the gap between 9s and 10s is getting greater. Been waiting for you to do this video, you did a great job 👍
If you look at the yellow ring around that PSA Jordan you'll see that on the bottom the yellow goes outside the black edge lines. That drives me nuts. No way should it get a gold sticker. I think if SGC had thinner less bulky slabs like PSA they would be my go-to as they have a more neutral colored label. The PSA slab is perfect, just their red labels sometimes clash with certain cards.
I play the PSA 9 game. They are priced cheaper and the pop reports are likely overstated from crack/resubmits. Not all 9s are equal. Obviously the perfect 9 is one you can't see any imperfections on. Keep those. There are some with a tipped corner or centering issues on the back that are also acceptable. I keep those too. But then there are some with surface scratches on the front or a print line that doesn't show up easy in photos. I'll resell those on consignment and buy another until I'm happy with it.
Last sale of a PSA 10 2002 Topps chrome Tom Brady Refractor is $22k. For around 2k I own it in a 9 and can't see a single thing wrong with it. I'd rather have multiple 9s with extra cash in my pocket. If I were rich, I don't think I would think any differently.
Agree. All these people saying, “if you were rich you would be want the PSA 10s”. FALSE. I would still buy the BGS 9.5, SGC 10, or PSA 9 for half the price for better and pocket the extra money and buy something else I want as well
Validation is priceless! I want someone to grade my graded cards! Wait...they already have that? 😮😮😮
Same card but the type of plastic (brand) covering it deciphers the price….lol insanityyy
The PSA 10 Jordan is a Gold Diamond... equivalent to a black label BGS 10
Screw graded base or short printed cards always go for numbered and on card autos..
Good points keep up the good work
A bad investment is your RIGHT.
Great video Tpott! I chalk it up to the fact that there are simply many things in this hobby that don't make sense.
Aint that the truth!
Then why do you still spend the money to grade? Just curious.. Did I miss this part?
Speculators, not collectors, are gonna feel so bad when they can't sell their PSA 10s.
13x is not 1300% more. It is 1200% more.
haha youre right! good catch!
@T Pott - you should do a follow up video if/when the PSA Gold Label card sells, then compare that value increase to the other cards that could have been bought. It would be interesting to see if the value of one card outperforms the value of the other cards. Would be good to see.
I'm not sure we will see that copy sell again.
Geoff's puppy TPot looks like a skin tag I had removed last week.
100% agree. I do not see any rational reason for the price gap between grading companies and the grades of the same company. My strategy is to keep costs low.
I am new to collecting and grading. I am collecting Mattingly era cards and I also don't understand why on these "cheaper" cards a 9 is $15 and a 10 is $100. That is a 300% difference for a small defect. Therefore, I am using CGC to grade my cards. At least if I need to sell any, I ain't losing money, hopefully breaking even.
Most people in hobby don't understand why grading is the way it is or how PSA became so popular. They also ignore how unethical PSA was during the pandemic. There is ZERO reason PSA is better than BGS, SGC, CSG, or ISA. The hobby needs set standards for grading.
It's the people. This nonsense just doesn't exist in the coin world. I honestly can trust 4 coin graders over any card grader.
While all that may be true, and whether you like them or not, PSA adds the most value which puts them at the top.
@@clownworld8328 There is absolutely no reason why they should be the most valued. Uninformed collectors is the only reason I can think of.
I don't disagree but the number of flippers outweighs the number of actual collectors.@@xumuskiefan12
Has anyone seen one of the gretzky psa 10 rookie card? I was dumbfounded. The whole right side is destroyed looking like it was ripped off another card. It looks like it is a psa 5 at best. I haven't seen the other 2 psa 10, but I was shocked.
I have seen that in vintage football too. Cardboard hair protruding down one or two sides. 😂 Makes no sense.
rough cuts arent a flaw
I paid under $400 for a BGS 9.5 Mahomes rc at the same time the PSA was going for over $1K.
Wait till they grade the graded-graded Jordan, that could get 3 milliom dollars.
We are the very few that really only care about collecting anymore. Pricing tools have made it much easier for people to pay less and less for each time a card sells. Every won auction is an overpriced card. Remember when Beckett magazines overhyped the prices, we’ll pricing tools did the same but only in a much faster time thanks to the internet.
I have done my best to utilize the price differences honestly. I think we will be in a time where SGC and PSA will be called almost identical. But that's only my opinion which don't matter to much.
Same thoughts as the people that think Hyundai will be equal to Audi some day
SGC and PSA are both awful grading companies. BGS are the best and they're not great. They don't confirm receipt of your packages
I always wonder what the next sale price will be on super high end cards. Who will pay 400k for that 10 jordan with the gold cert.
Grading base set rookies is crazy to me it should be saved for rarer hard to find cards. For example I'm an Eagles fan and just came across Jalen Hurts Don Russ Elite Spellbound sets, I think they are really cool. Full set of 5 cards numbered to 99 is $180, PSA 10 non numbered not signed rated rookie holo variant same price.
I was trying to buy a card off someone on ebay that was a PSA10 and he told me the PSA10 is worth triple the PSA9 comp.
That can be the going rate depending on the card
The fact people have that much confidence that 10s are actually 10s is lunacy. I've seen BGS8s get cracked and turned into PSA10s. @@ryanra44
Yes indeed!!! Sorry felt good to hear this I agree 👏🎯
whats insane is this..they are all doing the EXACT SAME THING..they authenticate the card, and verify its condition. please explain how PSA does it any different lol
Collect cards- not slabs. Or just switch to memorabilia.
Why does psa do 8.5 but not 9.5?
One of the great questions of the universe, currently being studied by economists at top Ivy League schools :P
So what your saying is the money is in the crossover
I personally silence everyone else with a buying opportunity for me