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Recently switched from the M2 to the F9 based on performance during the fitting but mainly how comfortable I felt with it. Shaft changed from 70g stiff to 60g x stiff and loft down to 8 degrees. I seemed to hit it consistently better but in my mind it was all down to comfort level. Starting lessons with Phil Archer this week to hopefully improve the comfort and performance levels further!
I got a F9 about a week ago. I hit a drive the other day in cold weather and I think it’s on it’s way to Mars. Great sound and distance is unbelievable. I have a Epic also and let’s be honest, they are all fantastic drivers.
Struck my F9 driver with an ATMOS Tour Spec Black 7 x-stiff today for the first time today. Hit it slightly towards the heel and it still flew 299 minus the rollout. The sound was amazing and startled the gentleman next to me. Thanks for the review guys! Helped a lot for my fitting.
Recently bought the F9 after a fitting ... was the first bought from new Driver I’ve ever had ... the *thud* sound and the feel of the club was the immediate plus point from hitting it (especially indoors in the test). Out on the course it got better with finding more fairways (which was the main purpose of getting fit for & purchasing myself a new driver) and again the feel of the club in my hands. I also tested the M6 G400 and Epic flash ... in the end it was between the M6 and the Cobra ... the point of difference was simply that the Cobra made me smile ... a lot Interesting vid Gents ... in truth, I don’t think I’m a good enough player to consistently hit in one spot so not noticed the issue you raised.
I did a similar thing a few years ago with the Cobra Fly Z... in the end it was the nicest feeling and one I hit more consistently than the others. It’s my favourite club now!
I own an F9 after a lot of testing on most of the new drivers and it was miles ahead. Weirdly my good strike is also slightly toe-y. And I got my best numbers out of it by miles. It was 5mph average ball speed faster than epic flash and M6 (6mph faster than ts2 sorry mark). Also I’m an ex fitter myself and like to think I was a good one too. Definitely not saying you’re wrong but from the one I have and have used now a few times on course it’s been superb.
Great video, I had a fitting with F9 against M5, for me the spin was definitely higher in the F9 but I was getting 5 to 12 yards longer with it. Can’t recall the launch angles but I ordered the F9 with a non standard stiff shaft (Fujikura Atmos 7S) this gave me my best numbers, but also it just felt the best for me and just felt easier to hit consistently, I play off 9 handicap.
I found the same, that shaft is excellent for me too. I also was getting straighter shots, which should be the #1 consideration for a Driver that you are hitting more fairways with. And it looks like the F9 does not lose on distance at the same time.
I tested both. For me the F9 sat better at address and I liked the look of the top of the club, however I tested the white F9 with a more matte finish on top. I struck the F9 better than the Epic Flash, it was just a more comfortable club in my hands and with what my swing produces. I played the F7+ for the past 1.5 years so I wasn’t surprised at the results the F9 produced. Key point here is go test the clubs and get fit. Thanks Mark!
Bought the epic flash sub zero and gained major yards vs my taylormade r580. Launching at 13.5 and 1900 rpm. Ball speed 150s and carry about 275. I range from 70-80% fairways in regulation. Love the driver.
I purchased the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, only cause of the lower spin and better ball speeds and the adjustable weight in the back got it all in, I had the Epic never bought the Rogue cause it did not improve on the Epic for me, but the flash is giving more ball speed , lower spin and the weight in the back was what made me hooked. Best driver I have ever had and hands down my longest. Finally drove a green a few days ago with the Callaway Epic Flash that I could never have done with any other driver I had before. Just wish the sound was not as loud, but with drives like I have been hitting I will deal with a loud tinner sound
You guys are putting me into Cobra clubs again, I swear. Just ordered a gently used F9 with a 1" shorter shaft (reasons) for $200 US, so now I am gaming a total Cobra bag (F8 single length, lord help me).
Sorry for being so late to the party... I noticed that too, but what surprised me more was the attitude that this was considered the best club based solely on distance. A 51 yard left strike is more often than not in a heap of trouble, and can lead to having to take 3 off the tee. For me, as a regular mid HC player, I would always opt to lose a bit of distance if I can keep it in or close to the fairway; being further from the tee does not always mean being closer to the pin, and being closer to the pin does not automatically mean that you have an easier approach.
I also noticed that the two shots they compared the f9 was definitely hit more out of center, but the reason it got 14 yards less was due to the face open column.... face to path was quite different causing 1000 more revs backspin!
Amazing to see the new MGS chart for “most wanted driver” data... the numbers are REMARKABLY similar throughout, as you boys have been saying. Just an FYI... keep up the great work!
Recently got custom fit at Club Champion for a 9.0 degree F9 Speedback driver with an ACCRA 2.0 360 M4 shaft. On the Same day/same shaft I compared the Titleist TS3 and Callaway Epic Flash SubZero and they’ve both gave me about 3 mph LESS ballspeed compared to the Cobra F9 Speedback ! No brainer for me. Love the sound/feel of the F9 and of course the looks Also got custom fit did the 3-4 & 5-6 fairway metals and the 3 & 4 hybrids all in Accra 2.0 M4 shafts. All in Avalanche White. Love the Matte finish across the top near the leading edge.
The Cobra F8 has been nothing but AMAZING!!! It is not the longest driver I have ever owned BUT it's no slouch AND most importantly it finds the fairway. I'd take the F9 over any of the new drivers out there. Cobra has really stepped up their game.
First hit with the Epic Flash during a fitting I thought a gun had gone off. That club is LOUD! Cobra worked for me. 13 yards more carry over my previous gamer. No brainer.
I'm a low 90s guy and these are the 2 that ended up as my finalist.....can't go wrong with either but I went Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero for the following reasons: 1) better looking at address 2) less overall spin 3) equaling longer distance.......I'm an accurate player so I need/want distance...... the F9 is very accurate but EFSZ is ,for me, 10yds longer .....
At a clinic Tiger woods was testing a driver out. He said he only swings a club 2-4 times when testing it because he will adjust his swing to make it hit the shot he wants with the club. After 2-3 he stops hits his gamer for a while then comes back and hits 2-3. Then he can say oh yes that club does xyz without switching his swing. Total CG tracker!!!
Driver is the weakest club in the bag for Tiger Woods as he is very inconsistent with it. So I certainly don't use him for guidance here. Dustin Johnson on the other hand uses his driver to overpower courses with his distance AND consistency. He uses TaylorMade M5 10.5* with Fujikura Speeder 661 Evolution 2.0 Tour Spec X-Flex. But as is always said, you have to get fitted for YOUR swing. Myself, I use Callaway Epic with Fujikura Speeder 661 stiff
@@mathewpanikar2051 I don't know how you come to such a conclusion. Have evidence? Anyway, he is world number 2 currently, so he appears to be doing just fine with his clubs.
I tested both. My ball speed is about 152 with both. My long drive was 298 with Callaway and 294 with the F9. The Cobra was much more accurate for me and the feel and sound was better as was the price. I bought the Cobra F9.
It's very interesting, Mark. I really hope you read this because I found the exact opposite. The F9 was super consistent for me all over the face. The Epic Flash was not. Oddly I play my driver most often from that exact hight toe area you mentioned, I get great smash factor from that point with the F9. The Epic Flash was also good for me from that spot, but oddly my smash factor seemed to go way down every time I hit it off the very center. It was crazy. I got great results with the Epic Flash everywhere on the face except the center???? No idea why. But I went with the F9 and have loved it. Love the channel, great course vlogs too, btw. Cheers.
Just watched this video for the second time and just recognised your comments on high strike giving high spin weaker shot on cobra.. I've got cobra f8 and it def happens with that too.. But I will state the strike does have to be very high on the face for this to happen but other than that I'm very pleased with the results I get from the f8.. Love the sound feel and results I get from it.. Great vid guys keep up the good work! Cheers! 👍👌👍
Cant wait to see a video of when you get together with Ian Fraser of TXG. Would you let him fit you into a driver? Would be interested to see if he can get you hitting better than#262. Great video, keep up the good work.
+1 for this. I would love to see that. TXG is very good, and the opposite opinion on shaft fitting to what Mark sees. I found on the TM M6, the sweet spot is closer to the heel, so maybe this is a new design that is suiting more players (who come over the top) who heel the ball a little. myself included.
Finally, a comparison where all variables are the same. Shafts, lofts, lies, etc. I find it interesting that the F9 seems to have hot (and conversely, dead?) spots on the face. Some of the other reviewers have had the same results but have not said anything about them, possibly chalking them up to poor strikes and leaving it at that. With the price manufacturers are demanding for their drivers, we should at least see consistency across the face. Well done, guys!
Wow, Dan has a silky smooth swing! Mark, I totally agree with you. I started finding the best launch and low spins were off the high toe of my 9.5 SLDR and taught myself to hit there. With my 2016 M2 driver it is the hottest place on the face, but not with the 2017-2019 drivers. That spot feels dead on the new TM and Cobras and my carry yardage suffers. Thanks for this video!
I tested both of these head to head together with the M5 and I ended up liking the M5 the best followed by the F9 and the Epic Flash Sub Zero last. The M5 delivered the best average results by a few yards in carry and dispersion was also a bit smaller. F9 and Epic were nearly identical for me, but I just like the look and sound of the F9 better compared to the Epic. I'm not a high toe hitter like Mark, I deliver my 106MpH club head speed usually a few degrees up, but more high-center or even high-heal.
Great Job Guys ! The one area I didn't hear you mention was adjustment for Golfers who suffer with a Draw ! Callaway Epic has provided for us Duffers with a sliding weight in bottom rear. Thus for a 70+ yr old Hacker like myself i'd have to pass on the Cobra which I happen to like [I own the F8 version and am pretty happy with it! Being on a fixed income I have to buy used or discontinued clubs; as the Golf Companies have driven prices so Dang High !! out of my reach anymore !
Great review. It is on point that one day or one persons swing on one given day, does not represent the outcome for everyone for that driver. Test often and get fitted for your swing, unless you can adjust your swing to fit a club you're just feeling will work.. Confidence plays a big role..
Love the commentary from you both, especially when talking about changing what you are doing to accommodate the club. Fitting is so important, and while doing it, compare your current driver. I have found that it so often comes down to subtle things, look, feel, sound, and now, price. Performance is very close. I'd be interested to see more testing with the adjusted face drivers and see if you can get to the bottom of the weaknesses. Great test as always bruh!
F9 spun way lower for me against all the others. Also better flight, distance and dispersion. Hzrdus yellow stiff. However, I much prefer a heavy shaft so maybe this makes a difference?!?
Ive tried all the new drivers on the market, which I think everyone should as some will work for you & some will not The cobra is a very forgiving club probably the most forgiving on the market at the moment, titleist has become much more of a handicap golfer club which is great they have done a great job on the TS range I'm not so sure about the taylormades this year my club head speed is 114mph & I hit up on the driver!!! iwould of thought the taylormade would of been good for me but they just dont seem to have the same forgiveness as the cobra f9 or the TS Titliest. I had a fitting with ping & they couldnt get near my callaway epic sub zero for feel & DISTANCE. I will be trying the cobra again because that gave me the best numbers as well as being very forgiving. My old epic was great but I cracked the face!!! so new driver needed great videos mark keep it up
Mark don't forget the cobra 10.5 and 9 are diff spin targeted heads. So a 9 increased to 10.5 would spin less than std 10.5. A 9deg head with higher launch shaft would do for fantastic setup. Do it so we can see comp!
Just bought the F9, can't say I noticed the weekspot yet, but I definetly get better results on lower strikes compared to my old M2 from 2016, so it could ofcourse be the case that high is not the best place for the F9. But as skilled as You are, you should stop trying to find hightoe.... Just because that was the best spot on your older club.... The F9 was the first driver I've tried since 2017 that did give me better numbers, and I have tried loads of clubs.... Needed heavier weights than standard to get optimal numbers. Different heads also seem to "like" diffetent shafts. For me, Hazardous Smoke gave me good feel an numbers in other heads, but for the F9 it was the Tensei Blue that performed best. Only one conclusion; get fitted.... I do belive that with a good fitter you wilö get the same numbers in the end with all the different heads....
I believe the ball speed was well down on the duff shot in comparison to the Callaway. 4.5 mph, that’s got to have an affect on carry distance. Is it that swing speed was down as well or is it down to the dead spot?
I’ve found the F9 can throw out allot of funny spin numbers! For me it’s the milled face I found the exact same with the F8. If you have a deflective contact I find there is more friction coming off that face leading to higher spikes in spin.
I honestly have yet to find a person (right handed) that does not struggle with increased spin with cobra drivers. I have played f6 in the past and always thought it was my swing, come to find out it is actually where I make contact with ball below equator line on face got fit for Callaway epic flash and find myself seeing the same affects as u mark it truly boggles my mind
That’s a lot of numbers right there! The high toe issue is certainly one I look forward to you researching even more with these companies that are manipulating the face a lot. Cheers bruh!
Best two drivers this year for me and epic sub zero edged it in my fitting. Could game both clubs but slightly longer and straighter with epic hurt my wallet more but hey that's life.
Just got fitted yesterday. Came down to Cobra vs Rogue. Rogue was slightly better for me. Bit more consistency across the face. Plus for me, the feeling was also better with the Callaway.
I was recently fitted into the F9 where the loft was set down to 7.5. My spin average has been around 2100 and I've seen significantly better distance (both carry and total) & spin numbers to my previous driver (Rogue Sub Zero). Which is great, but what I like about it the most is how accurate it has been.
I'm not sure what my AOA is tbh. Swing speed around 105mph. 150-160mph ball speed. I still have my Rogue Sub Zero but really struggled witb accuracy with it.
@@BetterLife2023 I've heard many people mention having issues controlling the Rogue Sub Zero. I didn't care for my natural shot shape with it and struggled to get it to move left to right. The F9 seems to be a solid option for people looking to narrow down their dispersion zone. I hope you're able to get setup with something that suits your game. It can certainly be a struggle at times.
With the Hzrdus Black 75 shaft in mine the F9 is a complete rocket launcher. By far, the most consistent driver I have ever gamed as far as distance and dispersion.
Does this apply to TS2 with a reduction in the roll and bulge?
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Most would go with dispersion if distance difference is minimal. Cobra f9 is a better club as it costs less and gives more options to improve on. Cobra sounded better and I actually felt the Cobra looks to the average golfer gives a confidence that is missing looking down on the Callaway. Ok to the classic lovers the Cal looks more pleasing but Golf manufacturer's are trying to appeal to the masses not just the pros. Great review!!!!
I have had this cobra f9 for a year and came to conclusion like urself that it is a forgiving driver but I have lost alot of distance, so as of now looking for a new driver
Spin jumped because the face was open, your cally was 17 yd draw the cobra was 18 YD fade that's why you lost 20 yards. Along with cobra being 2.5 mph slower swing speed resulting in 5mph lower ball speed
I tried both drivers, I chose the epic flash because I like the feel and sound better, and also the look. The cobra is a good driver but I just didn’t like the sound or feel and I got better numbers with the epic flash.
I habe recrntly changed to tge m4 and am having the same issue of distance loss with higher on the face drives and I also struggle to get a toe draw it tends to block. On the plus side as yet my snap hook doesn't hook as much and I don't over draw as much. However I am finding it the easiest to fade driver I have played. With other drivers I couldn't control the fade and was much shorter when fading the ball. I had to spray the face to check strike as i couln't work out what was going on. Last three drivers I owned are RBZ, Nike covert 2 and JPX850.
Wish you would have elaborated a bit more on the last part when you said if you buy a higher lofted club and loft down it gets weak. What does that mean? Cheers.
Very interesting what you were talking about Mark, with the relation to the face and where you were hitting it high toe, really got me thinking. Keep up the good work love your videos. Would prefer Callaway for me!
I agree with what Mark said about him finding the same place on the head and why changing driver faces doesn't help him... But I am assuming (I don't know) that a newer to the game player and a player who hits it all over the face might benefit from the supposed "face improvements" And maybe more experienced/better drivers/players are aware that changing your driver ISN'T going to give you those magical extra 7 yards so they maybe buy less drivers? No idea if those statements are factual but they are possibilities
And honestly what truly pick my brain, is these tour pro are now(as always) influencing design characteristics of these clubs, mind u to suite there game. So how is that helping those that don’t strike well or honestly have the same swing patterns as these pros. To me that poses some interesting thoughts
Plus tour pros have access to tour spec shafts and hot welds in the heads. These are clubs we will never see or test in our hands. Much less afford to buy.
If i was going to buy one of those it Will not be on the sound but on the price! Dont forget that we pay for our club and here in canada the Epic is 32% more expensive at 699$ vs 530$ for the F9
@@stevenstewart1308 last week i was going To get the st-180 and finally bougth the 917D2 which i was hitting less far but way more straigther for ''only'' 329$ because you know... they're old! 🤷♂️
@@michelcrepeau8062 I picked up a demo ST180 on boxing day for $165 which I can't wait to try out but at that price if I don't like it I'm not out much.
It's a great deal! You don't spit on that! It's really good looking! But i just start hitting the driver well so not a pga golfer and it was going everywhere but it might just be the shaft as the seller tell me that even if they were both stiff the shaft on the titleist was a bit stiffer! Good luck with your driver😁
When I hit the epic flash at the show it seemed to want to spin left much more than the Cobra. I actually had a hard time hitting it anything but relatively straight with the f9
Love my bio cell plus in x stiff. Deep face that lets me tee the ball up a touch high so I can hit up and get it out there. What driver this season has that size of a face like the bio cell. I’m liking the look of the size of the face of the epic
I found the King Ltd to have similar problems when I made contact higher up the face...pretty sure the sweet spot on Cobras is more low toe due to the CG location
I think you probable need the correct shaft fitted or mess about with a selection of shafts with cobra and U will see a massive difference in you're numbers. There are heavier weights now available for the cobra so fire one in and check again. Weigh the 2 heads for a comparison because if you are using same shaft in both but the cobra is 198g then epic is 203 then try some weight taped to the bottom near the face just to check how your strike is. That's what they did with Matt on TXG. Give it a go Mark.
I think most people are missing the point with every review that’s done. it doesn’t really matter what MC is getting from the club...get fitted and see what you get from them. He’s just letting us know what he thinks/gets out of it and giving people ideas as to what to look for and what to ask when we get fitted.
Comparing Dan’s last shot just goes to say the geometric centre is not the sweet spot and that it’s relative to delivery both in terms of a dynamic geometric centre and a dynamic sweet spot that is optimal for your personal delivery. This is what I have come to understand from you Mark.
Mark I think the main reason why most of us are rooting for the Cobra f9 is because it's around £100 cheaper than the main competition. Over the last 5 years particularly with drivers the cost has skyrocketed. With luck Cobra will outsell all the others and perhaps influence them to reduce price points to more realistic levels. Here's hoping 🤞🏼
Wow... Love the knowledge drop when talking about Rory's driving... McIlroy that is... The other Rory's driving seems to be doing quite fine at the moment... CG chasing.... That's an interesting discussion about the human brain doing what it does with a changeable club. LOL
I've watched this a few times now and was thinking if their was no restriction's to manufacturers to how big the head was and things they do to help higher handicap players get more distance and accuracy how different would you think the driver would look ?
F9 for me too.. W the helium shaft... Again you guys are pros and are looking at millimeters in difference of optimal strike point... Roll. And buldge are maybe not. Made for you... But more for the masses
Great video. I have a f7+. And high toes shots for me go low and fall from the sky. Hi toe is my sweet spot as well. I will stick to my G10. #fairwayfinder lol.
Great vid guys, interesting numbers, didn't Dan get his 275 with f9 from 13mm toe and 10mm high. So does that mean funky numbers are high central strikes?
I thought rory hit it out of the heel most of the time? I would love to see you do a video with moving the weights and seeing how the player follows the weight and makes its work. I have. An original M1 and also tend to hit out of the heel side more than not, I have messed with the weight in the heel and thought that might help line up weight, also get toe closing squaring face, but should I do the opposite (put weight in toe more) to try to move my strike closer to middle?
Interesting about Rory's strikes and all .... My "center strike" is same as yours -- high and on the toe side. Makes for a high draw. I would feel totally jammed if I had to hit it in the middle of the face. And I don't know how doing so would affect the flight. BTW -- if a player does tend to favor high toe, would that sort of rule out the TM? Their marketing tells us they should help my high toe, but I think it would actually prevent it from coming back, or not as much. Turn a draw into a push? Dunno.
I don't tend to hit many high toe shots, so I don't have an opinion about those strikes with the F9 driver. I do tend to hit a lot of high centre and the occasional strike towards the heel though and when I've hit the F9 it performed very well on those strikes, and possibly better on the heel strikes than any driver I've hit. The Epic Flash is $150+ more than the F9 for us down here, so it would have to way outperform the F9 to make me want to buy it. The results you're getting might be the tradeoff with the changes they've made to the roll and bulge - better out of the heel, and worse out of the toe. I think Cobra have used this face design for several generations of driver though, so it should be about the same results on toe shots you would have seen out of the F7 and F8 drivers I would think?
The F9 and TM M6 both have that pronounced tail section lowering MOI - is that why you're having difficulty getting the results you'd expect from certain areas of the face?
Where’s coach? He’s the new driving god and a bomb ball playa. He would have shown you both up. Need to get the muppet tour to come down under before our winter kicks in.
I’ve had the cobra f9 bought it after all the hype wasn’t even close to my ts2,, went for a fitting on m5 that was 10 yards longer than ts2 best driver I’ve ever hit!! cobra span too much plus you have to tee cobra really down to get best results 🏌🏻♀️🏌🏻♀️
How can you have that high spin with the F9? I have a King f9 10.5 deg head (18 grams + 2 grams) with a 44" Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 shaft. Tomorrow I will cut the shaft to 43.5" and replace the 2 gram with a 6 gram weight. I get spin from 1660-2400 rpm. I have a carry between 260-272 yards, and a total between 284-301 yards.
I’m glad he finally shut up and swung.😂
Hitting the ball is cool isn’t it. Hit yeah hit yeah. Love that bit too.
Hit it already!
Fell asleep
@Cad Pro just put it on 1.25 or 1.5 speed till he hits it.
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Things to only say in a golf video "that looks lovely and clean along the shaft to me"
I love the sound of this head
Haha
I love this little bit of lipstick around the back
You can get it up to eleven degrees.
Recently switched from the M2 to the F9 based on performance during the fitting but mainly how comfortable I felt with it. Shaft changed from 70g stiff to 60g x stiff and loft down to 8 degrees. I seemed to hit it consistently better but in my mind it was all down to comfort level. Starting lessons with Phil Archer this week to hopefully improve the comfort and performance levels further!
I got a F9 about a week ago. I hit a drive the other day in cold weather and I think it’s on it’s way to Mars. Great sound and distance is unbelievable. I have a Epic also and let’s be honest, they are all fantastic drivers.
Struck my F9 driver with an ATMOS Tour Spec Black 7 x-stiff today for the first time today. Hit it slightly towards the heel and it still flew 299 minus the rollout. The sound was amazing and startled the gentleman next to me. Thanks for the review guys! Helped a lot for my fitting.
Recently bought the F9 after a fitting ... was the first bought from new Driver I’ve ever had ... the *thud* sound and the feel of the club was the immediate plus point from hitting it (especially indoors in the test). Out on the course it got better with finding more fairways (which was the main purpose of getting fit for & purchasing myself a new driver) and again the feel of the club in my hands.
I also tested the M6 G400 and Epic flash ... in the end it was between the M6 and the Cobra ... the point of difference was simply that the Cobra made me smile ... a lot
Interesting vid Gents ... in truth, I don’t think I’m a good enough player to consistently hit in one spot so not noticed the issue you raised.
I did a similar thing a few years ago with the Cobra Fly Z... in the end it was the nicest feeling and one I hit more consistently than the others. It’s my favourite club now!
Love the look and sound of the Cobra. I don't even mind the yellow.
They do it on a more subtle white as well
I own an F9 after a lot of testing on most of the new drivers and it was miles ahead. Weirdly my good strike is also slightly toe-y. And I got my best numbers out of it by miles. It was 5mph average ball speed faster than epic flash and M6 (6mph faster than ts2 sorry mark). Also I’m an ex fitter myself and like to think I was a good one too. Definitely not saying you’re wrong but from the one I have and have used now a few times on course it’s been superb.
Me too, Matt
F9 for me. I squeezed out more from Cobra with a very desirable flight. Callaway always look good though don't they? Thanks for the video guys.
Great video, I had a fitting with F9 against M5, for me the spin was definitely higher in the F9 but I was getting 5 to 12 yards longer with it. Can’t recall the launch angles but I ordered the F9 with a non standard stiff shaft (Fujikura Atmos 7S) this gave me my best numbers, but also it just felt the best for me and just felt easier to hit consistently, I play off 9 handicap.
I found the same, that shaft is excellent for me too. I also was getting straighter shots, which should be the #1 consideration for a Driver that you are hitting more fairways with. And it looks like the F9 does not lose on distance at the same time.
I tested both. For me the F9 sat better at address and I liked the look of the top of the club, however I tested the white F9 with a more matte finish on top. I struck the F9 better than the Epic Flash, it was just a more comfortable club in my hands and with what my swing produces. I played the F7+ for the past 1.5 years so I wasn’t surprised at the results the F9 produced. Key point here is go test the clubs and get fit. Thanks Mark!
Bought the epic flash sub zero and gained major yards vs my taylormade r580. Launching at 13.5 and 1900 rpm. Ball speed 150s and carry about 275. I range from 70-80% fairways in regulation. Love the driver.
I purchased the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero, only cause of the lower spin and better ball speeds and the adjustable weight in the back got it all in, I had the Epic never bought the Rogue cause it did not improve on the Epic for me, but the flash is giving more ball speed , lower spin and the weight in the back was what made me hooked. Best driver I have ever had and hands down my longest. Finally drove a green a few days ago with the Callaway Epic Flash that I could never have done with any other driver I had before. Just wish the sound was not as loud, but with drives like I have been hitting I will deal with a loud tinner sound
Love the cobra that much I’ve bought one.....hitting fairways for fun...👌🏻💪🏻
You guys are putting me into Cobra clubs again, I swear.
Just ordered a gently used F9 with a 1" shorter shaft (reasons) for $200 US, so now I am gaming a total Cobra bag (F8 single length, lord help me).
That 279 carry from the flash went 51 yards left! Think you’re looking at the wrong column boys :)
Sorry for being so late to the party...
I noticed that too, but what surprised me more was the attitude that this was considered the best club based solely on distance. A 51 yard left strike is more often than not in a heap of trouble, and can lead to having to take 3 off the tee. For me, as a regular mid HC player, I would always opt to lose a bit of distance if I can keep it in or close to the fairway; being further from the tee does not always mean being closer to the pin, and being closer to the pin does not automatically mean that you have an easier approach.
I also noticed that the two shots they compared the f9 was definitely hit more out of center, but the reason it got 14 yards less was due to the face open column.... face to path was quite different causing 1000 more revs backspin!
Amazing to see the new MGS chart for “most wanted driver” data... the numbers are REMARKABLY similar throughout, as you boys have been saying. Just an FYI... keep up the great work!
Recently got custom fit at Club Champion for a 9.0 degree F9 Speedback driver with an ACCRA 2.0 360 M4 shaft. On the Same day/same shaft I compared the Titleist TS3 and Callaway Epic Flash SubZero and they’ve both gave me about 3 mph LESS ballspeed compared to the Cobra F9 Speedback !
No brainer for me. Love the sound/feel of the F9 and of course the looks
Also got custom fit did the 3-4 & 5-6 fairway metals and the 3 & 4 hybrids all in Accra 2.0 M4 shafts. All in Avalanche White. Love the Matte finish across the top near the leading edge.
The Cobra F8 has been nothing but AMAZING!!! It is not the longest driver I have ever owned BUT it's no slouch AND most importantly it finds the fairway. I'd take the F9 over any of the new drivers out there. Cobra has really stepped up their game.
First hit with the Epic Flash during a fitting I thought a gun had gone off. That club is LOUD! Cobra worked for me. 13 yards more carry over my previous gamer. No brainer.
I'm a low 90s guy and these are the 2 that ended up as my finalist.....can't go wrong with either but I went Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero for the following reasons: 1) better looking at address 2) less overall spin 3) equaling longer distance.......I'm an accurate player so I need/want distance...... the F9 is very accurate but EFSZ is ,for me, 10yds longer .....
At a clinic Tiger woods was testing a driver out. He said he only swings a club 2-4 times when testing it because he will adjust his swing to make it hit the shot he wants with the club. After 2-3 he stops hits his gamer for a while then comes back and hits 2-3. Then he can say oh yes that club does xyz without switching his swing. Total CG tracker!!!
Driver is the weakest club in the bag for Tiger Woods as he is very inconsistent with it. So I certainly don't use him for guidance here. Dustin Johnson on the other hand uses his driver to overpower courses with his distance AND consistency. He uses TaylorMade M5 10.5* with Fujikura Speeder 661 Evolution 2.0 Tour Spec X-Flex. But as is always said, you have to get fitted for YOUR swing. Myself, I use Callaway Epic with Fujikura Speeder 661 stiff
@@JDSFLA But Dustin is quite the stupid bloke when it comes to his equipment.
@@mathewpanikar2051 I don't know how you come to such a conclusion. Have evidence? Anyway, he is world number 2 currently, so he appears to be doing just fine with his clubs.
I’ve found that to get the best out of my F9 I need to tee the ball lower versus the TM M1 that I had before. It’s definitely better lower on the face
I tested both. My ball speed is about 152 with both. My long drive was 298 with Callaway and 294 with the F9. The Cobra was much more accurate for me and the feel and sound was better as was the price. I bought the Cobra F9.
It's very interesting, Mark. I really hope you read this because I found the exact opposite. The F9 was super consistent for me all over the face. The Epic Flash was not. Oddly I play my driver most often from that exact hight toe area you mentioned, I get great smash factor from that point with the F9. The Epic Flash was also good for me from that spot, but oddly my smash factor seemed to go way down every time I hit it off the very center. It was crazy. I got great results with the Epic Flash everywhere on the face except the center???? No idea why. But I went with the F9 and have loved it.
Love the channel, great course vlogs too, btw. Cheers.
Just watched this video for the second time and just recognised your comments on high strike giving high spin weaker shot on cobra.. I've got cobra f8 and it def happens with that too.. But I will state the strike does have to be very high on the face for this to happen but other than that I'm very pleased with the results I get from the f8.. Love the sound feel and results I get from it..
Great vid guys keep up the good work! Cheers! 👍👌👍
Cant wait to see a video of when you get together with Ian Fraser of TXG. Would you let him fit you into a driver? Would be interested to see if he can get you hitting better than#262. Great video, keep up the good work.
+1 for this. I would love to see that. TXG is very good, and the opposite opinion on shaft fitting to what Mark sees. I found on the TM M6, the sweet spot is closer to the heel, so maybe this is a new design that is suiting more players (who come over the top) who heel the ball a little. myself included.
x2! Ian is a a genius. really thinking about flying to canada from texas and get fitted.
Couldn’t agree more. I feel like they could change his thoughts on 262. Such a cool shop & channel with Ian & Matty
Matt us hitting the f9 340. He’s gaming it now I believe over his ping
@@nickmillar3975 Yep. Nobody else seems to have the Crossfield problem.
Finally, a comparison where all variables are the same. Shafts, lofts, lies, etc. I find it interesting that the F9 seems to have hot (and conversely, dead?) spots on the face. Some of the other reviewers have had the same results but have not said anything about them, possibly chalking them up to poor strikes and leaving it at that. With the price manufacturers are demanding for their drivers, we should at least see consistency across the face. Well done, guys!
Wow, Dan has a silky smooth swing! Mark, I totally agree with you. I started finding the best launch and low spins were off the high toe of my 9.5 SLDR and taught myself to hit there. With my 2016 M2 driver it is the hottest place on the face, but not with the 2017-2019 drivers. That spot feels dead on the new TM and Cobras and my carry yardage suffers. Thanks for this video!
I tested both of these head to head together with the M5 and I ended up liking the M5 the best followed by the F9 and the Epic Flash Sub Zero last. The M5 delivered the best average results by a few yards in carry and dispersion was also a bit smaller. F9 and Epic were nearly identical for me, but I just like the look and sound of the F9 better compared to the Epic. I'm not a high toe hitter like Mark, I deliver my 106MpH club head speed usually a few degrees up, but more high-center or even high-heal.
Great Job Guys !
The one area I didn't hear you mention was adjustment for Golfers who suffer with a Draw !
Callaway Epic has provided for us Duffers with a sliding weight in bottom rear.
Thus for a 70+ yr old Hacker like myself i'd have to pass on the Cobra which I happen to like [I own the F8 version and am pretty happy with it!
Being on a fixed income I have to buy used or discontinued clubs; as the Golf Companies have driven prices so Dang High !! out of my reach anymore !
Great review. It is on point that one day or one persons swing on one given day, does not represent the outcome for everyone for that driver. Test often and get fitted for your swing, unless you can adjust your swing to fit a club you're just feeling will work.. Confidence plays a big role..
Love the commentary from you both, especially when talking about changing what you are doing to accommodate the club. Fitting is so important, and while doing it, compare your current driver. I have found that it so often comes down to subtle things, look, feel, sound, and now, price. Performance is very close. I'd be interested to see more testing with the adjusted face drivers and see if you can get to the bottom of the weaknesses. Great test as always bruh!
Just been fitted for a Sub Zero and my best shots came with the weight set almost fully to draw. Cant wait for it to arrive....
I hit both drivers. Got the same results distance and flight. Went with the cobra. $75 dollars cheaper.
Would love to see a test with you guys fiddling with the fade bias to see if it affects the test and accuracy. 😊
F9 spun way lower for me against all the others.
Also better flight, distance and dispersion. Hzrdus yellow stiff.
However, I much prefer a heavy shaft so maybe this makes a difference?!?
That was my experience too. Hzrdous Black!
Ive tried all the new drivers on the market, which I think everyone should as some will work for you & some will not The cobra is a very forgiving club probably the most forgiving on the market at the moment, titleist has become much more of a handicap golfer club which is great they have done a great job on the TS range I'm not so sure about the taylormades this year my club head speed is 114mph & I hit up on the driver!!! iwould of thought the taylormade would of been good for me but they just dont seem to have the same forgiveness as the cobra f9 or the TS Titliest. I had a fitting with ping & they couldnt get near my callaway epic sub zero for feel & DISTANCE. I will be trying the cobra again because that gave me the best numbers as well as being very forgiving. My old epic was great but I cracked the face!!! so new driver needed great videos mark keep it up
Mark don't forget the cobra 10.5 and 9 are diff spin targeted heads. So a 9 increased to 10.5 would spin less than std 10.5. A 9deg head with higher launch shaft would do for fantastic setup. Do it so we can see comp!
Just bought the F9, can't say I noticed the weekspot yet, but I definetly get better results on lower strikes compared to my old M2 from 2016, so it could ofcourse be the case that high is not the best place for the F9. But as skilled as You are, you should stop trying to find hightoe.... Just because that was the best spot on your older club.... The F9 was the first driver I've tried since 2017 that did give me better numbers, and I have tried loads of clubs.... Needed heavier weights than standard to get optimal numbers. Different heads also seem to "like" diffetent shafts. For me, Hazardous Smoke gave me good feel an numbers in other heads, but for the F9 it was the Tensei Blue that performed best.
Only one conclusion; get fitted....
I do belive that with a good fitter you wilö get the same numbers in the end with all the different heads....
Paracetamol or cure, should that be placebo or cure. Lots of science to understand, thanks for making it some what understandable guys.
Love the look and sound of the Cobra . Shame about the duff shot distance. But its always gonna be down to preference
I believe the ball speed was well down on the duff shot in comparison to the Callaway. 4.5 mph, that’s got to have an affect on carry distance. Is it that swing speed was down as well or is it down to the dead spot?
Perfectly illustrated why testing clubs is important! There's more to it than distance...
I really like the sound of the cobra, they could sell the club on the sound alone.
I’ve found the F9 can throw out allot of funny spin numbers! For me it’s the milled face I found the exact same with the F8. If you have a deflective contact I find there is more friction coming off that face leading to higher spikes in spin.
Hands down it was the Callaway! I added 20+ yards to my drives and kept more on the fairway!
I honestly have yet to find a person (right handed) that does not struggle with increased spin with cobra drivers. I have played f6 in the past and always thought it was my swing, come to find out it is actually where I make contact with ball below equator line on face got fit for Callaway epic flash and find myself seeing the same affects as u mark it truly boggles my mind
That’s a lot of numbers right there! The high toe issue is certainly one I look forward to you researching even more with these companies that are manipulating the face a lot. Cheers bruh!
Best two drivers this year for me and epic sub zero edged it in my fitting. Could game both clubs but slightly longer and straighter with epic hurt my wallet more but hey that's life.
This is one of the most informative videos ive seen!
Had the same issue with the F9 felt like a similar hit but 30 - 40 yard drop off with high spin and fell out of the air.
i had same issue with day one purchase. a year later same shaft my f9 is a bomber. very very weird...
Just got fitted yesterday. Came down to Cobra vs Rogue. Rogue was slightly better for me. Bit more consistency across the face. Plus for me, the feeling was also better with the Callaway.
I believe that if you move the weight behind where you are striking it consistently it should help lessen head twisting
I was recently fitted into the F9 where the loft was set down to 7.5. My spin average has been around 2100 and I've seen significantly better distance (both carry and total) & spin numbers to my previous driver (Rogue Sub Zero). Which is great, but what I like about it the most is how accurate it has been.
I have the same F9 set at 9 deg draw. What is your swing speed? I'm tempted to loft down to get a bit more distance and less spin
@@BetterLife2023 115 mph and I'm typically 1 degree down on the angle of attack. Which is why I've always had trouble bringing my spin rates down.
I'm not sure what my AOA is tbh. Swing speed around 105mph. 150-160mph ball speed. I still have my Rogue Sub Zero but really struggled witb accuracy with it.
@@BetterLife2023 I've heard many people mention having issues controlling the Rogue Sub Zero. I didn't care for my natural shot shape with it and struggled to get it to move left to right. The F9 seems to be a solid option for people looking to narrow down their dispersion zone. I hope you're able to get setup with something that suits your game. It can certainly be a struggle at times.
With the Hzrdus Black 75 shaft in mine the F9 is a complete rocket launcher. By far, the most consistent driver I have ever gamed as far as distance and dispersion.
I got the 70 gram stiff hzrdus black..ive heard the shafts are pretty stiff in general. Would you agree?
Does this apply to TS2 with a reduction in the roll and bulge?
Most would go with dispersion if distance difference is minimal. Cobra f9 is a better club as it costs less and gives more options to improve on. Cobra sounded better and I actually felt the Cobra looks to the average golfer gives a confidence that is missing looking down on the Callaway. Ok to the classic lovers the Cal looks more pleasing but Golf manufacturer's are trying to appeal to the masses not just the pros. Great review!!!!
I have had this cobra f9 for a year and came to conclusion like urself that it is a forgiving driver but I have lost alot of distance, so as of now looking for a new driver
Spin jumped because the face was open, your cally was 17 yd draw the cobra was 18 YD fade that's why you lost 20 yards. Along with cobra being 2.5 mph slower swing speed resulting in 5mph lower ball speed
Agree... completely different swings.
I tried both drivers, I chose the epic flash because I like the feel and sound better, and also the look. The cobra is a good driver but I just didn’t like the sound or feel and I got better numbers with the epic flash.
I habe recrntly changed to tge m4 and am having the same issue of distance loss with higher on the face drives and I also struggle to get a toe draw it tends to block. On the plus side as yet my snap hook doesn't hook as much and I don't over draw as much. However I am finding it the easiest to fade driver I have played. With other drivers I couldn't control the fade and was much shorter when fading the ball. I had to spray the face to check strike as i couln't work out what was going on. Last three drivers I owned are RBZ, Nike covert 2 and JPX850.
Has there ever been a club Mark didn't think sits square?
Wish you would have elaborated a bit more on the last part when you said if you buy a higher lofted club and loft down it gets weak. What does that mean? Cheers.
Opens face angle
Fade biased
I have the cobra f9 driver and I love it and have gained 20yd in total.
Very interesting what you were talking about Mark, with the relation to the face and where you were hitting it high toe, really got me thinking. Keep up the good work love your videos. Would prefer Callaway for me!
I agree with what Mark said about him finding the same place on the head and why changing driver faces doesn't help him... But I am assuming (I don't know) that a newer to the game player and a player who hits it all over the face might benefit from the supposed "face improvements"
And maybe more experienced/better drivers/players are aware that changing your driver ISN'T going to give you those magical extra 7 yards so they maybe buy less drivers?
No idea if those statements are factual but they are possibilities
And honestly what truly pick my brain, is these tour pro are now(as always) influencing design characteristics of these clubs, mind u to suite there game. So how is that helping those that don’t strike well or honestly have the same swing patterns as these pros. To me that poses some interesting thoughts
Plus tour pros have access to tour spec shafts and hot welds in the heads. These are clubs we will never see or test in our hands. Much less afford to buy.
If i was going to buy one of those it Will not be on the sound but on the price! Dont forget that we pay for our club and here in canada the Epic is 32% more expensive at 699$ vs 530$ for the F9
Plus add some tax and it's pushing 800, that's insane. It'd be F9 or Mizuno ST190 for me.
@@stevenstewart1308 last week i was going To get the st-180 and finally bougth the 917D2 which i was hitting less far but way more straigther for ''only'' 329$ because you know... they're old! 🤷♂️
@@michelcrepeau8062 I picked up a demo ST180 on boxing day for $165 which I can't wait to try out but at that price if I don't like it I'm not out much.
It's a great deal! You don't spit on that! It's really good looking! But i just start hitting the driver well so not a pga golfer and it was going everywhere but it might just be the shaft as the seller tell me that even if they were both stiff the shaft on the titleist was a bit stiffer! Good luck with your driver😁
@@stevenstewart1308 and as a lefty there is not a lot of 2018 model remaining! 10+ in the RH and 2 in the LH for the st-180 And only 1 LH in the 917D2
think I'll stick with my rogue SZ and wait for next year. 2 yr cycle for me.
When I hit the epic flash at the show it seemed to want to spin left much more than the Cobra. I actually had a hard time hitting it anything but relatively straight with the f9
Love my bio cell plus in x stiff. Deep face that lets me tee the ball up a touch high so I can hit up and get it out there. What driver this season has that size of a face like the bio cell. I’m liking the look of the size of the face of the epic
I found the King Ltd to have similar problems when I made contact higher up the face...pretty sure the sweet spot on Cobras is more low toe due to the CG location
I think you probable need the correct shaft fitted or mess about with a selection of shafts with cobra and U will see a massive difference in you're numbers. There are heavier weights now available for the cobra so fire one in and check again. Weigh the 2 heads for a comparison because if you are using same shaft in both but the cobra is 198g then epic is 203 then try some weight taped to the bottom near the face just to check how your strike is. That's what they did with Matt on TXG. Give it a go Mark.
I think most people are missing the point with every review that’s done. it doesn’t really matter what MC is getting from the club...get fitted and see what you get from them. He’s just letting us know what he thinks/gets out of it and giving people ideas as to what to look for and what to ask when we get fitted.
Been my point for 10 years now. Thanks bruh. 👍👍
Mark Crossfield but if other You Tube instructors can hit it 300, then surely I can too...
Jim Barber haha is that using predicted roll too. Haha 😂
I like Dan's swing - could you review it on a future video?
Yeah sure
Comparing Dan’s last shot just goes to say the geometric centre is not the sweet spot and that it’s relative to delivery both in terms of a dynamic geometric centre and a dynamic sweet spot that is optimal for your personal delivery. This is what I have come to understand from you Mark.
The cobra seems to spin more on all the tests I’ve watch if you can get a heavier weight would putting it in the front lower the spin more.
Mark I think the main reason why most of us are rooting for the Cobra f9 is because it's around £100 cheaper than the main competition. Over the last 5 years particularly with drivers the cost has skyrocketed. With luck Cobra will outsell all the others and perhaps influence them to reduce price points to more realistic levels. Here's hoping 🤞🏼
Believe me I get that but what if some are using that for clicks 👍
Mark Crossfield Yes I know what you mean. Cobra f9 vids seem to get the views alright. Thanks for your reply. Made my day 😃
Nice head to head 👍. Although have you now introduced another possible dimension to the phrase 'its a bit toe-y' !🤔
Wow... Love the knowledge drop when talking about Rory's driving... McIlroy that is... The other Rory's driving seems to be doing quite fine at the moment...
CG chasing.... That's an interesting discussion about the human brain doing what it does with a changeable club. LOL
Great video chaps. I have the F9 and find my best shots slightly high and heeley 🤷🏽♂️
I've watched this a few times now and was thinking if their was no restriction's to manufacturers to how big the head was and things they do to help higher handicap players get more distance and accuracy how different would you think the driver would look ?
02.28 the ladies will be pleased Dan's shaft is loverrly and clean
F9 for me too.. W the helium shaft... Again you guys are pros and are looking at millimeters in difference of optimal strike point... Roll. And buldge are maybe not. Made for you... But more for the masses
My aeroburner is 5 years older and a third of the price but go a similar distance.
Great video. I have a f7+. And high toes shots for me go low and fall from the sky. Hi toe is my sweet spot as well. I will stick to my G10. #fairwayfinder lol.
Great vid guys, interesting numbers, didn't Dan get his 275 with f9 from 13mm toe and 10mm high. So does that mean funky numbers are high central strikes?
Here for the craaazy numbers
One of your best vids
i got fitted for a cobra f9 its going to the bargin bucket
I thought rory hit it out of the heel most of the time? I would love to see you do a video with moving the weights and seeing how the player follows the weight and makes its work. I have. An original M1 and also tend to hit out of the heel side more than not, I have messed with the weight in the heel and thought that might help line up weight, also get toe closing squaring face, but should I do the opposite (put weight in toe more) to try to move my strike closer to middle?
Interesting about Rory's strikes and all .... My "center strike" is same as yours -- high and on the toe side. Makes for a high draw. I would feel totally jammed if I had to hit it in the middle of the face. And I don't know how doing so would affect the flight.
BTW -- if a player does tend to favor high toe, would that sort of rule out the TM? Their marketing tells us they should help my high toe, but I think it would actually prevent it from coming back, or not as much. Turn a draw into a push? Dunno.
Do you think, they will ever do a revised FT9 tour driver? I thought was one of their best looking driver.
I don't tend to hit many high toe shots, so I don't have an opinion about those strikes with the F9 driver. I do tend to hit a lot of high centre and the occasional strike towards the heel though and when I've hit the F9 it performed very well on those strikes, and possibly better on the heel strikes than any driver I've hit. The Epic Flash is $150+ more than the F9 for us down here, so it would have to way outperform the F9 to make me want to buy it.
The results you're getting might be the tradeoff with the changes they've made to the roll and bulge - better out of the heel, and worse out of the toe. I think Cobra have used this face design for several generations of driver though, so it should be about the same results on toe shots you would have seen out of the F7 and F8 drivers I would think?
The F9 and TM M6 both have that pronounced tail section lowering MOI - is that why you're having difficulty getting the results you'd expect from certain areas of the face?
Where’s coach? He’s the new driving god and a bomb ball playa. He would have shown you both up. Need to get the muppet tour to come down under before our winter kicks in.
I’ve had the cobra f9 bought it after all the hype wasn’t even close to my ts2,, went for a fitting on m5 that was 10 yards longer than ts2 best driver I’ve ever hit!! cobra span too much plus you have to tee cobra really down to get best results 🏌🏻♀️🏌🏻♀️
How does the epic flash perform compared to the 2018 rogue SZ? Is it worth upgrading?
How can you have that high spin with the F9? I have a King f9 10.5 deg head (18 grams + 2 grams) with a 44" Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 shaft. Tomorrow I will cut the shaft to 43.5" and replace the 2 gram with a 6 gram weight. I get spin from 1660-2400 rpm. I have a carry between 260-272 yards, and a total between 284-301 yards.
Hello Mark and Dan
Would the shaft tested be similar to your gamers? Surprised at the discrepancy in spin.....many read like 3 wood spin # s