Steve Thomas Love the mid handicap test. I feel that dispersion is at least as important as carry. If we are going to crunch numbers, lets include accuracy/forgiveness.
As a mid handicap player myself having recently returned from a 30 year break 😔 I can recommend the f9. However, it is the only driver I have used since my return and have nothing to compare it against. The f9 is amazingly forgiving for pretty much anything not hit off the massive sweet spot, turning miscues into half decent shots. When you catch it right it is an absolute howitzer!! One of the things I like, and I have no idea if this happens with other modern drivers, is that a clear contact mark is left on the club face after every shot which helps improve understanding of what is going on. Not a big fan of the yellow bits but soon got used to it. Worth shopping round as well - I picked up a 1,3 and 5 wood for £510 as a package. The three and five woods are my 'go to' shots off the fairway, absolutely superb.
Watched till the end and have to say these tests are definitely more relevant to us weekend warriors as Mark was well down on his stats from when he did the M6 vid which is good as we are not robots , nice job both of you👍👍
The one yard difference in distance was the only thing discussed when in fact the ball flight and dispersion was much better with the F9. Clearly the F9 is better for Mark.
what I like about this guy is that he plays his game as a mid handicap tester and he comes and doesn't try show off in comparison to other mid handicap testers I seen he hits the shots hes capable of and it's good to see
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Dispersion on F9 superior. Cobra is a more forgiving driver. Would love to see outdoor👍. Also the HONMA TW 747 driver 460 size head. Great and very honest review. Enjoyed it.
Have tried lots of drivers and took my new F9 out on course today. Different class and really forgiving, can see my handicap coming down in the near future. What a club never mind the price difference. Go and buy 1 now!
Actually went through the same testing with these 2 heads at a fitting. While I loved the sound and feel of the M6, by miles, the F9’s numbers were just flat better in terms of distance and dispersion. Couldn’t argue with Trackman. It seems the the M6 sat slightly open to my eye as well. Bring that weight forward on the F9 and bring the loft up will improve your numbers as well.
I can't believe I missed this review....as a mid handicapper....I would pick Cobra F9 all day. I love the sound of my Cobra old Fly Z+. Looking to buy a F9 once the new SZ go on sale.
Hi James I bought the new cobra f9 speedback driver and 3 word my handicap also is 13 and it's so strong and forgiveness is unreal and straighter I would choose cobra all day long
Hi James. Great to see a mid-handicapper test and great to get the 'global' view! Could you please work on your steady hand focusing with the camera. The jumping about in the videos is a bit distracting and maybe a bit more auto focus would help. That said, good content. I would have liked some more detail on dispersion as this is what matters more to a mid-handicaper (18 hoping to be 14!) rather than 1 extra yard. I have had the TaylorMade R11s in the bag for about 8 years, although it is frequently banned from actually playing on the course as it refuses to obey. I am going for a Cobra fitting day at my local club on Friday and have my eye on the F9 Speedback as I hope it will show some decent improvement over the old TM in the bag. But mostly I am getting rid of the old club because it has a lot of scars over its many surfaces. Also it has an adjustable piece on the bottom of the club which is supposed to open and close the face but that has broken some time ago and so its impossible to tell what the set up is now. I am not going to bother looking at Titleist, TM etc as I can't see how they can be worth nearly half a thousand pounds!!! If you get a break in the weather and can get the on course testing done by Friday that would be great!! Cheers. Phil.
Very informative video, thanks James thanks Mark, an on course compassion would be very interesting At the moment I'm playing a driver from some years ago, and I'm looking to see whether it is worth updating to a new driver or not, what I'm wondering at the moment though is, are the new drivers that far ahead of older drivers to make enough of a difference for me to make the change, I would find it of very interesting to see say a mid handicapper for example comparing their older driver against these two new drivers to see what benefits they get from them
@@Unplugged704 , I found it on sale at a website called Halpenny Golf. I walked in to my local Dick's Sporting Goods and they matched it without even looking at the site. I then paid $349. Not to shabby!
The F9 will be legendary one day. Quality to price cant be beat. I see them going for around $240 all over Ebay, which is cheaper than the M4 right now which is much older.
Looking forward to the on course test! I’m in the same boat atm, F9 v M5 v M6 v Epic flash! Due a fitting & the Scottish Golf show before I make a choice!!
Same handicap as Mark with same swing speed tried both these but spun them way too much. Tester handed me the epic flash sub and I've never looked back. It's a fairway finder with good length once you get over the noise. Best driver I've ever hit and owned even got the 3 wood in the bag now.
Nice video guys! Doesn't F9 have the added advantage (not mentioned here) of the Arccos sensor in the grip. That should be a powerful tool to monitor performance over the season.
As a Cobra owner I can confirm that the Accos stuff is a gimmick in its current form. I can see how it might be developed in the future to make it useful, but at the moment I doubt anyone will try it more than once before forgetting about it.
Great video, let’s hope global demand for vlogs increases 😉 Enjoyed hitting the Cobra, I had a Cobra 3 wood in my bag for many years so shouldn’t have been surprised by the driver, but it was great.
Move the weight to front and get another 7 to 10 yards. You don’t have the option of that with m6. And you got to have a lot of club head speed to get the m5, epic sub, to get carry. I’m not all that sure that the twist face is a thing that really works. Didn’t really make that much difference for me in the m3 driver
76-year old 13 hcp. I've been hitting a Cobra 427 for 25 years but recently bought an M6. I hit the M6 1 yard further with numerous samples! So, a driver worth maybe $15-$25 today versus a $500 driver. 1 yard more with the M6. Will be hitting the F9 on the course in about 2 hours.
I just hit the M6 at my club at the taylormade day. I was hitting the 9* and the hazardous stiff shaft and was crushing the ball. Almost 20 yards longer and no leaked to the left shots. my Ping G with a Fiji regular flex 10.5. maybe be time for a new driver
Tried them both along with Mizuno ST190, Ping G410 and the now ancient but discounted Callaway Rogue. Surprise It was the Rogue that performed best in my fitting last week and by some margin. My Callaway EPIC and CF16 irons are relegated and set for the Far East for when I play "vacation" golf in Thailand - Oh the caddies and bottled Singha beer!
Having now seen this comparison, i realise i had the exact same choice during fitting last week. I was recommended the M6, but didn't like the sound on impact and it felt more heavy. The Cobra was much nicer, felt better on impact and sounded sweeter. I was also recommended the same Hazard shaft, since initially i was whipping it too much. Wish i'd known there was a green head, but no complaints yet for the F9. i'm averaging 230 meters, with a max of 264 (according to the cobra sensor) only difference to note, the weighting i have, i think is 18, not 14 as attached here. Looking down the F9 is also nice with the cobra lined up for a nice centered shot. Highly recommended.
I need to ask a question and sadly I don't think Mark or James read back months later. Are the hits far right and left just crappy aim, toe and heel strikes or are they slices and hooks? I ask this because I never get variation like that unless I'm careless and hit a slice, and I'll occasionally have an entire hour trying to fix a slice at the range(4 back surgeries have damaged my game). I will say, picking up a few smaller drivers has improved my concentration and put a lot of my slice days to bed.
The F9 and M5 driverheads look similar because they were probably made in the same foundry in China. TaylorMade, Cobra , Callaway etc do not manufacture golf clubs, they buy the shafts, grips and clubheads from various sources and then assemble them. The only imput these companies have is on the R&D on the clubheads. A few companies like Mizuno or Muira do forge their own irons.
@@seanpeacock5595 you need both for a proper review though. you get your stats and numbers from the tech inside and then you take it on the course to test how it works in different lies and during actual play. how can you say one is better for you if you have never used them in a variety of lies?
Jeremy Day well aware of that. Just saying if you do B, someone will want A, if you do A someone will request B, if you do A and B , some will want C. That’s the way youtube rolls
One of the reasons the shots tend to get better as you go along is your body gets use to the length of the club. On course you very rarely use the same club twice. At a range most people get a 7 iron for example hit 20 shots and end up striking the latter ones better due to the body getting use to the length
I don't understand why you would penalize the cobra just because the M6 doesn't give you the option to adjust the weight. The test should be between the most optimal settings of each club.
Shock Horror.....Yorkshireman chooses Driver because it's Cheaper! 🤣🤣 Definitely, think this should go to an On-Course Shoot-out.........as long as Mark doesn't wear his Red trousers and I think that the Cobra will come out victorious!
I used a cobra the other day (borrowed) it was unreal, I was crushing shots 275+ as straight as a laser. My friend said, "you won't hit it any better, don't waste your money. He was way wrong. I m buying one asap
Once again, another driver review that focuses on distance as the important number when in reality for most of us mid to high handicappers forgiveness is by far more helpful to our game. I'll take ten yards less from the light rough versus ten yards more from the trees. You boys need to get your head out of the sand and start focusing on what truly matters to your subscribers.
I’ve got a vega driver from 2013, had the little “nodule” on the back, had a yonex from around the same time with a carbon crown to save weight too, never anything new in drivers they just regurgitate other companies designs.
Steve Thomas
Love the mid handicap test. I feel that dispersion is at least as important as carry. If we are going to crunch numbers, lets include accuracy/forgiveness.
Stopped at 4:10 just to say that the F9 does come with a Matt finish if you get the black/avalanche version (which I personally think looks awesome) 😀
As a mid handicap player myself having recently returned from a 30 year break 😔 I can recommend the f9. However, it is the only driver I have used since my return and have nothing to compare it against. The f9 is amazingly forgiving for pretty much anything not hit off the massive sweet spot, turning miscues into half decent shots. When you catch it right it is an absolute howitzer!! One of the things I like, and I have no idea if this happens with other modern drivers, is that a clear contact mark is left on the club face after every shot which helps improve understanding of what is going on. Not a big fan of the yellow bits but soon got used to it. Worth shopping round as well - I picked up a 1,3 and 5 wood for £510 as a package. The three and five woods are my 'go to' shots off the fairway, absolutely superb.
Watched till the end and have to say these tests are definitely more relevant to us weekend warriors as Mark was well down on his stats from when he did the M6 vid which is good as we are not robots , nice job both of you👍👍
The one yard difference in distance was the only thing discussed when in fact the ball flight and dispersion was much better with the F9. Clearly the F9 is better for Mark.
what I like about this guy is that he plays his game as a mid handicap tester and he comes and doesn't try show off in comparison to other mid handicap testers I seen he hits the shots hes capable of and it's good to see
Dispersion on F9 superior. Cobra is a more forgiving driver. Would love to see outdoor👍. Also the HONMA TW 747 driver 460 size head. Great and very honest review. Enjoyed it.
Have tried lots of drivers and took my new F9 out on course today. Different class and really forgiving, can see my handicap coming down in the near future. What a club never mind the price difference. Go and buy 1 now!
One of you should have known cobra comes in matte finish as well:).
Come on!
Actually went through the same testing with these 2 heads at a fitting. While I loved the sound and feel of the M6, by miles, the F9’s numbers were just flat better in terms of distance and dispersion. Couldn’t argue with Trackman. It seems the the M6 sat slightly open to my eye as well.
Bring that weight forward on the F9 and bring the loft up will improve your numbers as well.
Another great head to head club test with Mark and yes I would love to see a big driver test especially out on the course
I can't believe I missed this review....as a mid handicapper....I would pick Cobra F9 all day. I love the sound of my Cobra old
Fly Z+. Looking to buy a F9 once the new SZ go on sale.
I got the F9 a month ago. Great club.
Been pounding them straight down the fairway since I got one last December. I think I gave up a little distance for feel and accuracy.
Hi James I bought the new cobra f9 speedback driver and 3 word my handicap also is 13 and it's so strong and forgiveness is unreal and straighter I would choose cobra all day long
Thank you I enjoyed the content.. I like the Cobra dispersion pattern, that would help my game
Looking forward to the on course test and also add the Rogue as selling at same price as the f9
Hi James. Great to see a mid-handicapper test and great to get the 'global' view! Could you please work on your steady hand focusing with the camera. The jumping about in the videos is a bit distracting and maybe a bit more auto focus would help. That said, good content. I would have liked some more detail on dispersion as this is what matters more to a mid-handicaper (18 hoping to be 14!) rather than 1 extra yard. I have had the TaylorMade R11s in the bag for about 8 years, although it is frequently banned from actually playing on the course as it refuses to obey. I am going for a Cobra fitting day at my local club on Friday and have my eye on the F9 Speedback as I hope it will show some decent improvement over the old TM in the bag. But mostly I am getting rid of the old club because it has a lot of scars over its many surfaces. Also it has an adjustable piece on the bottom of the club which is supposed to open and close the face but that has broken some time ago and so its impossible to tell what the set up is now. I am not going to bother looking at Titleist, TM etc as I can't see how they can be worth nearly half a thousand pounds!!! If you get a break in the weather and can get the on course testing done by Friday that would be great!! Cheers. Phil.
First swing of either club at 4:40. Cool.
Nice comment. Cool
Tbh I wouldn't even try the M6 as I wouldn't pay the money. So F9 all day long for me, if it's an improvement on my G30 (with turbulators)
You two get better and better together!
"We're based in Yorkshire, Mark" Love it!
You guys are fantastic enjoyed that video I'm a mid-to-high handicapper could never afford either of those clubs great video
Good video James but I think on course testing would give a final answer
Very informative video, thanks James thanks Mark, an on course compassion would be very interesting
At the moment I'm playing a driver from some years ago, and I'm looking to see whether it is worth updating to a new driver or not, what I'm wondering at the moment though is, are the new drivers that far ahead of older drivers to make enough of a difference for me to make the change, I would find it of very interesting to see say a mid handicapper for example comparing their older driver against these two new drivers to see what benefits they get from them
Go Cobra - quality and cheaper - go the white version!
White version much better looking
@@mikeyyatala6625 that's what I bought with a stiff shaft.
I love the Cobra I have the Fly Z driver still works great for me. But the F9 at $449, is really not that cheap!
@@Unplugged704 , I found it on sale at a website called Halpenny Golf. I walked in to my local Dick's Sporting Goods and they matched it without even looking at the site. I then paid $349. Not to shabby!
@@armandde1 good deal. Thought big brick and mortar places only match big retailers, not small online places?
Bought the F9... great consistency.
Excellent comparison, let’s see it on the course
The F9 will be legendary one day. Quality to price cant be beat. I see them going for around $240 all over Ebay, which is cheaper than the M4 right now which is much older.
Looking forward to the on course test! I’m in the same boat atm, F9 v M5 v M6 v Epic flash! Due a fitting & the Scottish Golf show before I make a choice!!
what'd you choose??
Love to see a mid handicap test with the f9, m6 and add in the g410 plus!
I watch a lot and like your videos, but I dont like when you talk over people.. like they cant answer fast enough.
James another excellent video. I currently own a Taylor Made R11 driver but I would love to try the Cobra Driver, it is so much cheaper than the rest.
i have the M6 and i absolutely love it
Good test guys ! Has Mark tested the Ping G410 yet ??
Same handicap as Mark with same swing speed tried both these but spun them way too much. Tester handed me the epic flash sub and I've never looked back. It's a fairway finder with good length once you get over the noise. Best driver I've ever hit and owned even got the 3 wood in the bag now.
On course for sure please thanks James
Cheers from NorCal
Nice video guys! Doesn't F9 have the added advantage (not mentioned here) of the Arccos sensor in the grip. That should be a powerful tool to monitor performance over the season.
It absolutely does Tony
As a Cobra owner I can confirm that the Accos stuff is a gimmick in its current form. I can see how it might be developed in the future to make it useful, but at the moment I doubt anyone will try it more than once before forgetting about it.
Great video, let’s hope global demand for vlogs increases 😉 Enjoyed hitting the Cobra, I had a Cobra 3 wood in my bag for many years so shouldn’t have been surprised by the driver, but it was great.
Enjoyed the video, Mark... did the F9 ever make it in the bag?
Great video. Had same during my fitting. Best club was epic Flah, but price/value F9 is quite unbeatable this year
Nice job guys, I was really surprised with the results. You have my interest, and would like to see the course vlog. Thanks
Can't wait to see the on course test. I'm still rocking my Ping G, which I love. I'm very, very interested on trying the F9 though, no doubt.
Yeah we need more on-course feedback. Keep up the good work!
PLEASE, PLEASE change the way you show the final numbers
Move the weight to front and get another 7 to 10 yards. You don’t have the option of that with m6. And you got to have a lot of club head speed to get the m5, epic sub, to get carry. I’m not all that sure that the twist face is a thing that really works. Didn’t really make that much difference for me in the m3 driver
76-year old 13 hcp. I've been hitting a Cobra 427 for 25 years but recently bought an M6. I hit the M6 1 yard further with numerous samples! So, a driver worth maybe $15-$25 today versus a $500 driver. 1 yard more with the M6. Will be hitting the F9 on the course in about 2 hours.
Definitely like the mid-handitcap aspect of it. Most other channels are the golf pro.
I always like seeing the real world comparisons
I just hit the M6 at my club at the taylormade day. I was hitting the 9* and the hazardous stiff shaft and was crushing the ball. Almost 20 yards longer and no leaked to the left shots. my Ping G with a Fiji regular flex 10.5. maybe be time for a new driver
Cobra F9 tour length still peaks my curiosity. F9 regular length vs F9 tour length???
Tried them both along with Mizuno ST190, Ping G410 and the now ancient but discounted Callaway Rogue. Surprise It was the Rogue that performed best in my fitting last week and by some margin. My Callaway EPIC and CF16 irons are relegated and set for the Far East for when I play "vacation" golf in Thailand - Oh the caddies and bottled Singha beer!
Having now seen this comparison, i realise i had the exact same choice during fitting last week. I was recommended the M6, but didn't like the sound on impact and it felt more heavy. The Cobra was much nicer, felt better on impact and sounded sweeter. I was also recommended the same Hazard shaft, since initially i was whipping it too much. Wish i'd known there was a green head, but no complaints yet for the F9. i'm averaging 230 meters, with a max of 264 (according to the cobra sensor) only difference to note, the weighting i have, i think is 18, not 14 as attached here. Looking down the F9 is also nice with the cobra lined up for a nice centered shot. Highly recommended.
”Lets do it, and lets do it now” ”Are you having a laugh?” 😂
Yeah mate. Every day for the last two years. Pissing myself actually 😂😂😂
Yes but I’m trying to be global was priceless
Definitely a course please !
I need to ask a question and sadly I don't think Mark or James read back months later. Are the hits far right and left just crappy aim, toe and heel strikes or are they slices and hooks? I ask this because I never get variation like that unless I'm careless and hit a slice, and I'll occasionally have an entire hour trying to fix a slice at the range(4 back surgeries have damaged my game). I will say, picking up a few smaller drivers has improved my concentration and put a lot of my slice days to bed.
Please do a on course test with these two clubs. I'm looking a a Cobra over the Taylor made. Thanks
You should see how the F9 Speedback irons compare to the M6 irons
The F9 and M5 driverheads look similar because they were probably made in the same foundry in China.
TaylorMade, Cobra , Callaway etc do not manufacture golf clubs, they buy the shafts, grips and clubheads from various sources and then assemble them. The only imput these companies have is on the R&D on the clubheads. A few companies like Mizuno or Muira do forge their own irons.
Why do we even have to request on course tests, you should go do them by default. 😉.......
Go do it, and get it done now. 😂
😂
Chris Maritz because for everyone wanting an on course, there’s someone wanting a tech one
@@seanpeacock5595 you need both for a proper review though. you get your stats and numbers from the tech inside and then you take it on the course to test how it works in different lies and during actual play. how can you say one is better for you if you have never used them in a variety of lies?
Jeremy Day well aware of that. Just saying if you do B, someone will want A, if you do A someone will request B, if you do A and B , some will want C. That’s the way youtube rolls
On course test and the red trousers
On the course please. I'm really thinking about the Cobra. Thanks guys
One of the reasons the shots tend to get better as you go along is your body gets use to the length of the club. On course you very rarely use the same club twice. At a range most people get a 7 iron for example hit 20 shots and end up striking the latter ones better due to the body getting use to the length
Do you think maybe you could try to review a tour edge driver
Hi James, I dont(can’t) use driver. I just stay with my Mizuno 5 wood for accuracy. Would love to launch the Big Dog but not trusting it
I don't understand why you would penalize the cobra just because the M6 doesn't give you the option to adjust the weight. The test should be between the most optimal settings of each club.
What flex shafts were they??
Stiff dude
Thanks man, got a custom fitting on Monday and appreciate all the helpful videos guys 👍🏼 keep up the good work.
Any chance you could try the Srixon driver and get this over looked driver some attention?
On course test? Yes Please 😎
Definitely an on course test please !!
Just purchased the White F9. Looks so much better than the yellow.
Lets see an on course test between the two clubs.
On course test please James. Put the Epic in the mix too
Were the red trousers
Just got fitted for a new driver. I'm a high handicap. Tried the F9, m6 and ended up at the m5.
Shock Horror.....Yorkshireman chooses Driver because it's Cheaper! 🤣🤣
Definitely, think this should go to an On-Course Shoot-out.........as long as Mark doesn't wear his Red trousers and I think that the Cobra will come out victorious!
Y’all don’t know there is a matted f9 also ????
It will be great to see Mark play with them on the course
I used a cobra the other day (borrowed) it was unreal, I was crushing shots 275+ as straight as a laser. My friend said, "you won't hit it any better, don't waste your money. He was way wrong. I m buying one asap
Good test. Get the Cobra on the course please.
So many don’t like yellow but there is a great white version with a half matte top that does not get enough publicity
Mid handicap shootout on the course please!! To me the biggest difference between them is the price.
Great video! But, I’ll continue to ask for a mid hcp testing that invludes G400 max (or at least G410).
Had a G400 Max...sounded like hitting the ball with a frying pan. Get an F9
Ady Arnold I need the forgiveness, any sound ok as long as I find the fairway
If I had to compare I am straighter with F9 compared to G400 Max. As always get fitted.
Ady Arnold You might not need the extra forgiveness? But I do. However, I will get fitted.
@@Norrala mate, I definately need all the help I can get. Saw big improvements with the F9.
Push the weight forward on the F9! Potentially a few hundred less rpm and a few extra yards (providing it’s not all over the place)
Yes please, take them out on course for a mid handicapper test 👍
In studio, the cobra f9 seemed more consistent in regards to dispersion and with no real difference in length has to be the winner
Once again, another driver review that focuses on distance as the important number when in reality for most of us mid to high handicappers forgiveness is by far more helpful to our game. I'll take ten yards less from the light rough versus ten yards more from the trees. You boys need to get your head out of the sand and start focusing on what truly matters to your subscribers.
Word!
I’ve got a vega driver from 2013, had the little “nodule” on the back, had a yonex from around the same time with a carbon crown to save weight too, never anything new in drivers they just regurgitate other companies designs.
Got to love the F6, not much in it but good to see a manufacturer a least making a effort to it more avoidable, happy days 👍
I really liked the opening
On course test between these 2 for sure! My early vote is for F9 to win it all.
F9 is 1/3 less cost. Both are excellent choices. The M6 is much better looking when viewed from address, they both look good in the bag.
Let's see the on course test👍🏻
Remember you have the white Matt with grey version!!!
On course test please
Good video the corba looks awesome but at 449 I won’t be hitting it lol
The price yes but also don't forget the dispersion patern in favor of Cobra
I have played with both f9 all day long another great video lads
On course test would be good
Me! On course comparison please.
On course but than you should only compare two shots if they both are decent hits👍🏽