Callaway Epic Flash Review - Standard & Sub Zero
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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txg.ca - Reviewing the brand new Callaway Epic Flash driver! In this video we compare it to the G400 LST and test both the standard and sub zero Flash models. Learn more about the technology behind this launch, and more importantly see how well it performs!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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It’s crazy how much better your quality of videos are compared to most others from RUclips. I appreciate the fact you guys have conversations and not cut scenes from a drone or other useless gimmicks to spice up a video 👍
I appreciate TXG's integrity in giving an honest first opinion, and to state that the thorough tests, comparisons, and fitting experiences will come later. We all want to know what your first impressions are, but given all of the driver introductions coming this year, will want to know how it stacks up to their previous models and competition.
Good review. Yours is actually one of the few reviews so far that actually produced better numbers with Flash than other drivers in comparisons and actually backed up some of the claims from Callaway. Just reinforces the variations in testing and golfers.
But Matt does not represent even 1/4 of a. 1 percent of real golfers Looks good to the manufactures But is useless to the average golfer Without 85 to 90 mph swing testers doing tests Pointless Mat is a pro tester only Test invalid for more than 99%of plyers
@@billryan8707 My comment was more of an observation than validation. Almost all of the other reviews/tests of Flash did not show improvement of numbers like speed, distance, spin...No doubt Matt is better than most of the viewers, but I will split hairs and say the test is valid. The results may not be applicable to 99% of players, but the test results are valid unless their equipment is faulty.
Great honesty - your videos are a must watch. Think it was this time last year I started watching you guys and you've knocked it out of the park ever since
People like Rick Sheils (whilst good), don't get the true impact of the club down like you guys just did. Where else would you get specific points around face stability, and spot on with the feedback from hundreds of testers!! Just wish there were more reviewers like you!!
Keep up the hard work, need to save for tickets to Canada from UK to get fitted!!
Go for it Mattbrad5000, well worth the trip!
End of that video was great. How cool is it to hear for once "Don't go buy these yet" as opposed to "You have to have the latest and greatest right now" message these OEMs pump out? Wish I could fast forward to April for a number of reasons; I'll be able to golf outdoors again, the Masters, Longer days, but when all of these new products have had time to simmer and get put through the ringer, that's when you'll know what these products really are, and if it's worth an upgrade. I can tell you I'll for sure be coming here early and often as my primary point of reference for my decision making.
Thanks again guys
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You have started the year with another great informative video. Looking forward the others one coming in. Take care et thanks again.
I really enjoyed your PGA show coverage last year, was a good start to the channel!
Excellent content, I am a M3 guy currently looking for the M5 review. Simply the BEST!!
My God Matt, have you been eating bionic Turkey over Christmas! The swing was looking awesome!!
Loved Ian's face when confronted with the Green & Yellow colour scheme, priceless!
PS Great review Guys.
PPS Supercomputer and artificial intelligence to design the driver face and it comes up with something that resembles my Mums Yorkshire puddings, that's bizarre!
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Matt question for u would recommend cobra f8 standard driver to a mid low handicap golfer
I'm glad to see such honest reviews from you guys. Rather than buy this or that, you always recommend getting fit. I went for a driver fitting a month ago, but couldn't quite get everything dialed in. I am a little outside in with driver (2 degrees) but struggle with closing the face and spin the ball a ton. Rogue subzero was closest, but the face was just a tad too open. I'm interested to see if flash subzero with weight towards the heel is going to be the answer. Going to find out in a few months when I try again.
Red White and Blue from the custom shop! Glad to hear it Ian
I find the weight adjustments in drivers a fascinating review of the club possibilities for folks having problems closing the club face or needing help to keep it from closing too much.. I hope y'all do more head to head comparisons that move the weights to the extremes and watch the results. Ranking which heads actually close or open the club face significantly. Thanks for your time in making this video.
Looking forward to the new content coming our way! Happy New Year TXG team!!
Very professional review as always.
Love the honesty guys. Hopefully people heed your advice. Can't wait to see if it's more forgiving than Rogue SZ.
Damn Matty, you really bomb the driver.
It looks alright, however send me my Srixon set after the 25K mark. Happy with that, thank you very much...:)
Great video guys. Thanks.
PING 8.5 G400 LST for me no bell or whistles just Booomm with enough spin they can not make anything better than what is on the market already great vlog gents how about a vlog on really top end shafts
Such great content. As a relatively new golf addict, I learn so much from every one of your videos. When is the next live chat?
Looking forward the the next few..... My Rouge sub-zero was delivered today, but I needed an upgrade from my OG Hibore
So good I watched it twice!
Love seeing the latest and greatest not necessarily out performing the G400. Time to grab a deal on an LST.
My dear friends at TXG, thank you for your continued delivery of unbias reviews. In fact, many of the channels I watch and follow, like yourself, expressed caution and recommended a full personal evaluation before buying. Time is on the buyer's side for sure. Question: which shaft was Matt using on the two heads? Please give full details the ones used...thank you.
TPT 15 Series LKP/LT/LW, 45", Tipped 1"
Thank you for straight forward information and insight.
Just hit the regular flash for the first time last night. Wasn't a fan of the color scheme at all but It was definitely longer than my 2017 M2. I just wanna try the other new stuff before i pull the trigger on anything.
Great video as always guys well done, agree on the color scheme it’s awful... hearing seriously good things about the new mizuno st190 coming out and the amount of tour player not contracted using it be very interesting to see how it goes when u guys get a chance to review it 👍
Awesome video. Have the Rouge subzero, looking forward to the comparison!
When I (97-100 mph) first tested the Epic a couple of years ago I saw increased ball speeds against all other drivers at that time (same session). But when looking at any reviews on the internet of pros and better faster players they do not experience that kind of increase. Makes me wonder if jailbreak (and other technologies) at that time made more of a difference to moderate swingspeeds than with faster swing speeds. That might be an interesting video comparing the ball speed gains (if any) with new tech between different swing speeds.
I’m same speed and I think it has to do with head weight. Callaway is around 20g lighter than the other guys so we get a little more swing speed and that led to ball speed. I’ve found TS3 to be faster than the original epic even with the difference in clubhead speed
@@dmassey1740 I did not gain head speed with the epic but smash factor was consistently higher than with other heads. That made me a believer in Jailbreak. Would be interested to test the newer heads. Without having hit the flash, I'm a bit disappointed from what I have seen so far.
Wow Matt, your club head speed is up quite a bit. Very impressive, I use to think I had similar length and speed to you. Not anymore 😔 lol.
Great video always enjoy ur honest reviews keep the great work 👍
Awesome as always!
Great videos guys. Been hooked all week
Watching your videos.
Is it time to start talking about driver technology reaching its peak? Callaway has used A.I. to game out 34 years of technology and it only produces similar ball speed, launch and distance numbers compared to the 2018 Ping G400? I might not need a new driver until the year 2053!
It's hard to imagine what the future holds, but people probably had this conversation at many points over the last 30 years - I think as technology in general advances, golf will see its share of new innovations although chances are they'll be things to improve forgiveness, consistency, etc.
Please do the Gen 2 pxg drivers if you guys get them in! Love the content!
Yup we will for sure!
Hey guys, looking forward to your comparison with Flash and Rogue, and the dialling in session too. Be interesting to see how that pans out. What are differences in head weight between Flash and Rogue? I’ve been tinkering around with my Rogue head weights and seen improvements when swapping out for a heavier weight....as per your advice in an older video 🙌🏻
Weighed both, they were the same
Thanks for replying. Are they both around 191 ish? The Flash and Flash sub zero I mean?
About 198g with the adjustable hosel attached
189g without
I have the Old Epic went to Tiburon to the Shark shoot out and tried the Epic Flash and I am getting around 2/3 mph ball speed. Really not enough to change clubs. The Main reason I did was cause the Epic Sub Zero came with the adjustable weight on the back and I not could control my ball flight a bit better than the Epic Suz Zero. So I did purchase it for that and hitting more fairways with it
Great Stuff Guys! I think they used a lighter shaft vs Rouge when I swung it the other day. How that new Mizuno driver?? Again, I know I can get unbiased info from you guys!
New Mizuno driver reviews are on our to-do list, just don't have them in the shop yet!
Great info as usual guys, Thanks!
Would love to see you guys get the chance to try an epic flash subzero triple diamond head. Supposed to be much more fade biased, and is the one most of the pro's playing epic drivers are using
Ball go far Matt!
Couldn't afford the custom club ,I wanted it in red,white and blue ...but hey if it gets my ball further and a bit more accurate then I'll use it.
Great speed out the LST Matty 👍
Ian - will definitely give these a hit, but , from same country as your homeland ,the colour would also be an issue for me,would be a custom order,PS headcover as well
You guys are the best👍
Suggestion: post Matt’s optimum swing speed, ball speed, spin, launch, carry. I’d like to know what y’all are comparing to.
The smash factor on the Callys were lower than I expected, and a decent bit lower than the Ping. Is that something that you’re seeing regularly?
Just our initial test, and important to note that smash factor is based on how the GC Quad reads the clubhead speed - sometimes different shaped heads can give slight discrepancies in clubhead speed so at this point we wouldn't make any conclusions. Lots more testing with this driver to come.
i live in thialand fitting is a joke, i fit my slef through ian txg
I hope you can do the Rogue and Epic Flash comparison some time soon. I had a Epic and the head broke and they game me a new Rogue. I did gain some distance over the Rogue but I enjoyed the way the Epic played. So your review will be greatly appreciated. I also shaft changes can have an effect on results.
Coming out tomorrow morning at 6am EST Jerry!
Thanks for the notice, the last line in my note to you should have been I also wanted to have you discuss shaft changes that can have effect on results we all might see in our own comparisons or your comparisons
Another great video guys. I'm going to agree with some of the other comments, Matt has been on the weights. Quick question, have any of you used the Skytrak launch monitor, and if so, how would you rate it?
Haven't used it a lot Jamie, but have tried it a bit and for the money it provides very good data and accuracy
Guys! Awesome as usual. Really love the insights. Want to be fitted for the new Epic Flash, but I've noticed that I do better with a heavier shaft and Regular flex and higher launch. Can you recommend a shaft or two for this driver that are 65+ grams, R flex, and higher launch profile?
Great review, only thing is you can’t compare the Epic to the Rogue they are two different lines of clubs’ the Flash is the 2.0 to the GBB Epic. The rogue is separate!
Awesome video/review as usual. Just wondering if the feel has improved from previous version of Epic as I found it a bit hard off the face. Thanks!
Feel is quite similar, sound you may notice a difference though
Hope you fellas can get a game in with Golfholics at the PGA show.👍
So this super computer has made the best possible driver, so that means they'll never release another because it can't be beaten? sorry i call marketing BS , can't wait for the TM reviews and their go-faster paint jobs :)
I've noticed that the swingweight of drivers is running lighter, assuming lighter equates to faster clubhead speed. I was reading about Ben Hogans clubs and his spec's and noticed that the article claimed that Ben's driver came in at G2, the heaviest they had ever measured. Would it benefit a player with a slower swingspeed to play with a driver that is heavier? If a slower swinging player could increase his clubhead speed with a shorter heavier driver, would he gain distance? I built a lightweight 47" driver with a 190 gram head with a 45 gram shaft and 26 gram grip, I lost distance over my 45"' standard driver. Thanks for your comments. I would like to see you guys tinker with different weighted driver heads.
Going too light in head weight is likely to actually reduce ball speed, there's a point where too heavy would reduce clubhead speed also
Not looking for a Rogue, looking to see if there is significant improvement over the original Epic!! Thanks in advance for your help!!!
Just traded in my original Epic for the Flash today. Went straight out to the range to try it. It's definitely longer, though the sound, in my opinion, is a bit different.
Question: How does Matt get a 315 carry on a 170s ball flight?
How inaccurate are the ball speed reading on tour? Rory hardly ever goes under 180mph and is rarely achieving 310 carries....
I have heard Bubba Watson complain about this on a golf.com video out there saying such.
They don't seem right on a lot of broadcasts, from what we've seen. You don't need 180mph+ ball speed to carry it 310 unless launch conditions aren't good.
Someone ask the designer why his fav movie was cool runnings
I love that Movie...
and thought the same thing...
I think they make it ugly so people will spend even more money and customize it
Martin Fowler ye I can believe that might also be a sneaky way to get more people buying through Callaway than the retail stores
Can you guys comment on how that slide track at the back affects bulge and roll? Nice video as always.
I've hit the Sub-zero a couple times and the launch numbers are really high for me (high spin player). Not only was the launch high, but on miss hits the spin numbers stayed really consistent. Planning getting one with the custom color scheme.
Clubhead speed at 116/117, spin 2300, 14.5 launch, 170bs
Ok, im a little late to this party, but i just picked golf back up after about 6 years. I went to get fitted for the Sub Zero, and i still couldnt get the RPMs below 3500, is this something i need a few lessons to correct? or can you point me in the direction of weight placement and a shaft change that would knock the RPM's down? swing speed is 102-104 on average, i live in the meat of the face and i currently can only carry that club 240 for a total of 260-270 yards. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Looking at some of the hits where Matt feels like he hit it as good as he possible could, the smashfactor was around 1.41. What is missing there? Why do we not see a higher smashfactor? As soon as he switched to his own driver we saw numbers around 1.45-1.46.
Could just be the way GC Quad was reading the clubhead speed - sometimes different shaped/coloured heads can have slight discrepancies in readings. However the ball speed readings are always reliable.
Residual Christmas Turkey? That's a new one lol.
so I want to build my son a set of titleist blade irons. I have no clue of what shafts to get for someone so short. I want to stick with steel shafts on his irons and wedges. He would need super flexible and super light shaft. Any suggestions on cheap iron shafts for kids?? He's only 2 weeks old now so I have a little time to get some older model MB irons and recondition them so he's ready to hit the course with me.
So,
Would u now be tempted to game the new cobra Matty as u seem to hit that amazingly well in the past. Or do u still prefer you're ping. Is yours the G400MAX? Cheers
Can you compare to the original epic? From my understanding the rogue line was separate from the epic line.
The upcoming video schedule is seriously heavy Chris so we can't promise it'll be soon, but we'll try to get that one done too.
How do you decide how to buy an iron? No iron ticks every box for me. I prefer to align blades. They make me more dialled with SP/CFA but for example the apex mb dont come with the shafts I want ( DG AMT X100) and the mp18 are just a hair too low spinning but I enjoy the heavier weight... OR do you go slightly less playable yet forgiving 919 tours or apex pro '19's (still d2). It seems like an impossible choice. Have hit all of them and they all perform similarly but do you ever sacrafice spin for swingweight or forgiveness for accuracy? It's an absolute nightmare, the only thing I know is I would like new irons but I'm in a bit of a pickle to be honest.
When someone from out of town comes to txg for a fitting, for example someone needs to get a flight from the states, probably get a hotel for the night etc. how do you go about fitting a full set of irons and woods, testing/building/gapping all in one session? Or what’s the normal process? I assume typically someone that lives close would come in for one session and get fit and then the clubs get ordered and built, then when they arrived you go back in for a second gapping fine tune session. But how does the process work for those that have to travel a fair distance?
A lot of out of town customers will do their fittings over the course of two days, and then final built clubs can be shipped to your home address. The gapping session is the only issue for out of town visitors, not something that's feasible during a short term visit.
TXG Tour Experience Golf thanks for the info. Been considering getting a fitting but don’t have any options around me and feel like txg would be the absolute best but probably the most expensive since I’d have to travel the furthest.
Did I miss it or were there no final comparison numbers in the video?
Was the computer model and that face technology based on the use of a particular ball?
Good question, not sure - might be something we can find out more about while we're at the PGA show
I have a random question. Is there a club on the market today that is very similar to the Mizuno MP-33? I ask because when I played a lot that was the iron I played. I've started getting a bit back into playing now but I can't find a decent set of used MP-33s. I found some refurbished ones in England that have been cerakoted. I like them but from what I understand you have to adjust lie before the epoxy is applied. The refurbisher doesn't adjust the clubs though.
What is the weight of the new epic head? Do you guys recommend drivers based on typical miss pattern or do you typically fit the good one. I ask because it seems like if you are a high toe misser that rogue might not work out so good.
Head weight so far seem to be within a gram or two of Rogue weights from last year. Ideally we fit to provide best results on a good swing, while managing the miss
@@clubchampionmedia Awesome thank you for the reply! I look forward to the follow up to see if you all had to add head weight to help with results.
What I have seen, it looks a lot like the old FT-Tour
I am going to buy an A-Grind classic driver (350cc). Any tips on picking the 9.5 VS 10.5 loft?
Are you using the same shafts in the tests or custom shaft in the ping vs stock shaft in callaway?
Same custom shaft in both heads
Thanks. I don’t know if it is stated in the videos, but it would be worth a quick mention. Love what y’all are doing
Matt's smash factor seemed to be a bit higher on the Ping, But they were both struck similarly. Is there a reason for the epic to be a bit lower? or was it all down to strike?
I was wondering a similar question but to compare ball speed on similarly efficient strikes. Matt centered his gamer which is expected but is ball speed lower off the flash or was it another reason? To me a 1.41 is average to below average smash but I'm used to trackman readings.
If you play a fade off the tee, would I low spin driver be a good idea?
Depends on your spin rate, but yes often players that hit a fade suffer from excess spin
@@clubchampionmedia Thank you.
Great review! I currently game the Epic standard and its the only club I hit fades with on purpose, so that I can keep spin up. What driver should I try so that i can hit my natural draw and it not dive out of sky? Thank you guys!
G400 series is very good Joe, very balanced and not too low spin
I feel like y'all need to redo this test with Matt's new swing which generates a few more MPH speed.
We will for sure
Ian, if you’re swing speed only 90-95, are any of these innovations really going to produce recognizable differences in distance?
Time will tell Gary, we'll find out as we start to use these driver heads in fittings with our customers and generate some experience
Don't buy into the sales bull of club manufacturers but have the epic and rogue sub zero at current. Had a fitting day yesterday wanted a Taylormade m6 or cobra f9 but ended up buying cally epic flash sub zero. Wow figures don't lie ball speed 4mph up and picked up extra 8-10 yards, safe to say i parted with my cash 😪
“I don’t think it’s a game changer” 346 is pretty average 🤯😂
Ian, would definitely go further if... 🔴⚪️🔵
HAHAHA!! Did you see the disgust on my face!!!!
@@ianfraser3194 Some things even the most consumate of professionals can't hide mate. Clearly Callaway weren't thinking about the west side of Glasgow when signing off this colourway. #BlueIsTheColour
I bought this driver in sub zero , it has given me a bit extra distance, although I will need to change it because the colours are awful , maybe they will bring out a red,white and blue version, also not the best sound from a driver.
Do you spend time fitting the drivers to Matt to get best results or is it just "stock"
Usually spend a bit of time before the video getting it roughly dialed in - but we often try to compare equal lofts and same shaft when testing against another driver (G400LST in this case) to keep things equal
Are the AI calculations based on a static sweet spot? What’s the next evolution? Telling us they have a faster super computer?
not sure, we're hoping to chat with some of the R&D team from Callaway while we're down at the PGA show
Guys, have you already made a video about the new Cobra F9 ?
Not yet Luis, hopefully next week. Looking forward to doing that one!!
@@ianfraser3194 awesome, looking forward. Thanks!
Hi guys I've a question does lie angle on thd driver affect the flight of the golf ball the way it does with irons
Not as much of an effect as irons due to less loft, but it does have some effect.
Matty, let me know where you've gotten your roids from... 340 yard drives?!!? Absolute bombs. Love this video guys, you don't know how refreshing it is to see independent reviewers give us the truth about clubs. Tough to get anywhere else.
320 carry... “I would take that one...”
Sounds like your a proper blue nose Ian. Awesome bud.
Sorry... hold up. weight forward to eliminate draw? I thought we were looking for weight back to eliminate draw.
Weight was placed in the toe on the sliding track
Ian do you not like green because if Celtic? 😂
Yup!
Don’t tell me your a rangers fan!? 😭
Follow follow
Is it me, or has Matt being getting a bit buff? Must be working out?
Could just be some of that residual Christmas Turkey Ian was referencing :)
Why is his smash factor so low? I mean it's still getting massive carry and distance. Weird
I suspect it's misreading the club head speed slightly.
@@ianfraser3194 It must be. I mean he is obviously really talented and is striking the club well. I was on track man the other day. I'm a bit slower than he is (112mph average) but I was averaging like 1.49 on the smash factor.
No ST190's flying your way?
Yup will be getting those eventually
Aversion to the colour green... You a rangers man?
He is!
Tracks are misleading your just changing sweet spot makes no sense (See mark crossfield yesterday Jan. 7 2019 ?
There's some validity to what Mark is saying but CG doesn't move far enough to significantly change effect of bulge and roll.
That is not what he said. Mark was pointing out that if you move the track inward to the Drawish setting and then you hit the middle of the club, with less bulge and roll than the outside of the club, then it will have a different reaction than if you leave the movable weight in the middle and hit the outer edge of the driver with more bulge and roll. Mark did not say or imply that the movable weight does not do anything - watch it again. Moreover, all you have to do is hit a Draw Based Driver, such as the M4 Draw, and you can see where the weight is placed - and trust me, that thing draws like crazy. When Ian placed to weight in the toe for Matt, the weight slows that part of the club down leaving the toe more open and thus keeps more loft on the club at impact - all things being equal - it also moves the CG outwards which places more mass behind a toe strike at impact (and thing Mark said on his video)
You should check out what My Golf Spy has to say about drive CG and how the CG moves with moving weights around the driver. mygolfspy.com/2018-driver-cg-report/ They have older years too.
The CG does not move much but it moves. The weight has more to do with being able to close the club face or make it harder to close the face.
Mark Crossfield is an idiot who struggles to pronounce Honma. It was legitimately embarrassing to watch that video. I cringed the whole time. So take anything he claims to know with a very large grain of salt.
I take it Ian's a bluenose lol
Rangers fan by any chance? Lol
HAHAHAHA!!