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A Brief History of Watchtower's Failed Armageddon Predictions
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- (Cedars' vlog no. 248) I go back in time and look at some of the most preposterous, demonstrably false predictions made by Watchtower in their efforts to terrify Jehovah's Witnesses (and their predecessors) into thinking that Armageddon was imminent.
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At Twickenham in the early 70s, the teenagers, myself being one, were invited to sit on the pitch for the public talk.
Nathan Knorr concluded his talk by addressing us directly telling us how lucky we were that we wouldn't see old age: I'm 61 next week.
I don't actually feel old, just pissed off.
They loved talking directly to young people.
That's one of the sad realities that are hard to swallow when trying to leave the cult, having to let go of your faith in the people who condition your indoctrination, in my opinion, is harder than letting go of the deity itself. The idea of cutting of that human bond with hundreds of individuals who up to then would have considered you part of the community
How long have you been out?
@@marjtyess4603 Df'd in 2001. POMI until Dec 2017. Sad isn't it?
BiteYerBumHard What is PMOI.
I was 16 in 1969. I remember being at the convention in London and we were so excited because we were told we'd never grow old. My friends and I said 'just think we'll never reach middle age!' (Which was positively ancient to us teenagers) people left that convention and sold their homes, quit their jobs, cashed in insurances etc. We really believed it? Why wouldn't we? We trusted the organization. When 1975 came and went everyone just felt so deflated.
kate vann that’s horrible. How dare Watchtower make false prophetesses!
yes i was in the jws then having joined in 73 when 75 came and it did not happen i got the hell out
We were devastated as a widow and daughter. My mother spent and gave all her money and made no plans for her future. I took care of her until she died in 2010 still shocked the Kingdom had not arrived and dependent on me.
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@@12presspart smart man!!! Got out quick.
This is one of the most JW accessible videos you’ve ever made. Pure facts, limited commentary aside from a breakdown of the chain of events. Extremely facts based. Well done Brother Lloyd!
Terry Clason Agree
>Brother
... please excuse the fit of twitching i just experienced :D
roidroid haha TRIGGERED!
John they just came to my house last week again why are the Jehovah Witnesses pursuing me? It just seems like out of nowhere. I had to turn them away and just tell them not to come back. So whether you agree or disagree with my mathematical results that's not my point. My point is the destruction of children and the destruction of families because of these cults whether it be Scientology Mormonism Jehovah Witness or any kind of Astral command along with Gnostic Zersetzung. These are all cults and I am not the trying to discriminate just so you know I am not. It's just that I think now it's a great thing that this is all coming out and that we can all become prisoners of all these Cults so easily and we have to make it to where people can walk away if they change their minds without any threat of their pursuit of happiness or family community love. Thanks for listening
And JW's call this man an apostate , all he's doing is speaking facts using their material. great video so much thorough research. thank you lloyd
SagieBob exactly!
SagieBob nWe all know by now WT is a cult, but Jehovah is real and he keeps all of his promises!! The CULT and it's ungodly doctrines and falsely using Jehovah's name, but yet people chooses to believe that Jehovah, God, our creator of all things supports this SATANIC CULT without a mustard seed of faith or belief in Jehovah! False prophets will prophesy in Jehovah name including the CULT!!Read Exodus chapter 21 and it shows how Jehovah GOD was and still is very stern about following laws of the land, laws for harming children and women, punishments for breaking laws, making thing right and fair between parties, some CRIMES are punishable by death not immediate, but in God's timeframe, and the importance of repenting to Jehovah GOD only versus a mere man like that fake self anointed self righteous judgemental "SACRED GOVERNING BODY"! I wonder what's Jehovah's punishment for CULT's SACRED GOVERNING BODY deliberately harming, hypnotizing, and misleading Jehovah's people, and especially harming women and children by failing to protect the victims versus protecting and covering up for the abuser?
SagieBob, I am an ex JW and I can tell you the definition that the WT gives the word apostate is a big fat lie. They say an apostate is someone who leaves the WT and speak twisted things about God and the WT. Actually, an apostate is someone who forsakes (Quits) their religion, cause, or party. That has nothing to do with speaking twisted things. In reality, the WT speaks twisted things.
@@keepingitreal3591 Exactly, they use scare tactics to lock people and their friends and family in. its quite sad too . so many good genuine people in there. but the leaders have them by the brain balls and heart. so glad i broke away .
@@sagiebob Actually the CULT uses BRAINWASHING hypnosis infused within the writings of all their literature to control innocent people and the flashing words on the screens at the conventions are another level of hypnotic arrangement to maintain control! The term "AWAKE" has a real meaning to the state of mind! I am so glad Jehovah is exposing and bringing down the CULT and other misleading religions for misrepresenting his ministry and deliberately harming and misleading Jehovah's people! Jehovah is cutting off the serpent's head by taking it's money and power with all the sexual abuse law suits. The WT can't sale off enough KHs to recover, because the CULT and other self anointed religions have not recognized that that they are are war with Jehovah and they are unable to win!!! Lol!!
I became a JW when I was 16, left in the year 2000. I remember being told as I walked out, that Armageddon was coming that year and that I would be destroyed. 10 mins before midnight I braced myself for my destruction, I was in my early 30s then. I am now 52, I gave up waiting and decided to just get on with my life. I really appreciate your videos Lloyd. From New Zealand 🇳🇿
Inspiring!
The only people who are going to be destroyed are the 8 million or so who are currently involved with this religion and the GOVERNING Bodies
It makes me sad to think of the broken promises my mother clung to, even right up to her death in 1998. I remember her very clearly saying over and over again the day before she passed away "But I stayed alive till 75". It made me cry then and it still does now. Anyone who tries to say the claim was not made is a bald face liar. I was there and I know what happened. Even on her literal death bed, my mom kept struggling to understand what had happened to her and why nothing that was promised came to pass. It breaks my heart. 💔😪💔
Thanks so much for taking the time to show physical proof of the lies the organization has told through the years!
When you do these broadcasts it is like getting comfy and starting a read of a very exciting book! Thank you Lloyd for your honesty and making it easy to understand this material. So very glad you abandoned watchtower and have helped the many thousands of us who now can see reality!
Clarity 2 agreed I do look forward to them. 👍
Clarity 2 yes! Grab a wine 🍷 relax, have a laugh and kick back!
This is such an apt description @ start of an exciting book
You are absolutely one of the best ex JW researchers EvEr
Thiago Farias agreed!
Thiago Farias also watch Jason Zelda hidden from Jehovah Witness Smoking Gun. Video 8c excellent stuff
Thiago Farias agree ..I learn alot from Lloyd.
Just fantastic. I wish you would have left in all the hand clapping when he says "stay alive until 75".
If any active JW thinks that recording of Charles Sunutco is fake that IS Charlie's voice. He was a good friend of my dads in California and even gave the funeral talk for my dad. Distinct voice, stirring orator BUT was giving out bogus information. Great videos Loyd; factual and well presented. I'm going to mark you good and move you on to repetition for emphasis and sense stress. Ok, that was our number 4 talk and concludes our ministry school for this week. Let's all stand and open our songbooks to song number 69 entitled How Did I Once Biy Into All This Crazy Shit. Hit it gang!
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Zachary Von Roeder - L😂😂😂L!!
I like your ending. Brings back memories or should I say, nightmares.
LOL ! ! 😂😂😂
OMG! ROTF! the abdominal flex (preparing to stand), tingling sensation (light-headed from standing up), and mental note (the meeting is half over. Soon the end will come!) I just had when reading your comment was the same I had every week during the ministry school as the speaker stated the exact same closing phrase... And of course upon completion of the song and returning to my seat from the bathroom (oh yeah! water fountain too!) I remembered another mental note I usually told myself (OH SHIT! My KM isn't in my bag! I left my KM at home! NO! Now I either leave now like it was premeditated to help back up what I tell someone later if anyone asked as to what happened that night which was so important that I had to leave, or do I clutch my bible for the next 45 min and embarrassingly lean over the shoulder of the brother/sister next to me and follow along while looking up every scripture for both of us to read in exchange for sharing... UGH... almost like the same "Oh Shit!" moment to be at the Sunday Watchtower study and realize 1) your watchtower was still in its brown sleeve and unopened/studied 2) Wrong issue of Watchtower in your bag and cant show everyone that I actually did prepare this week 3) no watchtower in my bag because I left all the watchtowers I had, including my personal copy, at some laundry mat the morning before during early morning (or street witnessing) service which wouldn't have occurred had it still been in its brown paper sleeve... and isn't the reason to be here right now is to cover this part of the Watchtower (thoroughly and have read aloud every word in a self righteous tone) anyway? why do I need to go over this twice. I'd be more inclined to study regularly if they just asked the questions like on abbreviated meetings when the Circuit Overseer visits... ugh! --- I then turn to the brother/sister next to me and thank them for having an extra (unplaced copy) of the watchtower with that weekend's lesson.
Okay... sorry for the unsolicited flashbacks... but they're provided for free however I can accept a donation to help fund the spread of the good news across the world... Thank you! have a good day!
*Deuteronomy **18:21**-22 " ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’- when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him." Awkward! Great channel.*
And how many false prophesies do you need?
ONE?
How many has the WT org done so far?
Yeah I AGREE with ya!
KDRogersMD on twitter
see XJW in my profile
"not be afraid" is the mild version. There is another bible verse that asks for false prophets to be driven out of the town or killed... good thing that even the most devour bible thumpers from the most extreme sects seldom read more than the recommended study schedule, isn't it? :D
I understand you will find a lot of people taking your side, and making you a starlight, it is not their fault. You don't know whom you are defending. Instead of being the lawyer of a cause that you ignored the real thing, it is better to join the group you are talking against and listen to them another time, maybe you can come back with something new.
Don't be a coward in front of your spiritual enemies, be a brave and defend your views in front not in the back of them. You stay outside throwing stones at them, and they don't even see you, that's criminality, wickedness you are like a Devil Satan, because you only enjoy talking against them .
Noone knows who is right or wrong, because the debate does not hold properly. The seeds you are sowing will bear poisonous fruit, and anybody who eats them will be dead, and you will end up the same way. Thanks
@@ryvelineaunoel9210 What on Earth are you talking about?
The Bible verse is clear. It stands as a refutation to the WT. The organization has blasphemed God and led many astray.
Those who knowingly side with a false prophet will reap what they sow.
@@KatherineRogers none
New mic got the Ceadrs channel sounding crispy son! 🤤
thats what i thought too lol. like telltale's mic. ;)
yeah that's a SURE SM7B same mic michael jackson recorded thriller on, no joke.
I love how WT uses "expectations", placing the onus on the followers, when in fact it was the published, spoken and implicit message from the organization. They continued and continue to use this blame-shifting technique.
@@d_e_a_n Yes, faithful JWs had expectations based on believing the printed and spoken predictions made by WT.
Yup. I became a Witness in the 80s, when the fallout from 1975 was still fresh. I remember the standard rationale was anybody who left because of 1975 wasn't really sincere anyway so Jehovah sifted them out
Abigail Parker Yes, blame shifting used to outrage me. Hypocrites!!
After reading something like this in one of their publications during one of the meetings it opened my eyes. I knew these people in the congregation to not lift a finger if they didn’t have permission from an elder, So it was crazy to read that the witnesses of the time were in expectation of 1975 with out consent from the society. I saw right through their dirty work. I would expect this kind of work from a car salesman but never from the people that talk about having the TRUTH.
Carl my mom still insists that the 'brothers that left after 1975 did so because they didn't want to do the ministry work' in my opinion that's rather random 🤔
Pretty funny. “They noticed they weren’t floating up to heaven”. You reckon any of them tried jumping up and down and flapping their arms to try to help the process along?
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They don’t believe in the rapture.
How about learning facts!
Thank you again for your video....I love the fact that you do these videos with humour and levity. The way you explain things with measured expression and no extreme emotion is great. Even though you have been hurt by the organization you do not rampage on here, only presenting the facts. I appreciate this so much as I believe in rational thought and hate getting swept up in emotion. I have found that emotion is often created in the manipulation of others and that is something you do not do. So thank you for presenting things the way you do, treating everyone with respect and as adults with intelligence. Cheers
The overlapping Armageddons
Ha ha yeah
Jason Hahahahaha. Nice.
Aah..but of course. o_o
LOL
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The scriptures you quoted in Deut. 18:20-22 were the ones I remember reading while at the Ministry School. I opened up The Aid to Bible Understanding and immediately spotted that scripture. It literally jumped out at me. My thoughts shot back to all the failed prophesies from the Jehovah’s Witnesses and it really got me to questioning their claim as God’s spokesperson. At 71, I remember way more than many of the witnesses today. I heard the accounts from my mother and grandmother. I had a lot of the old literature, and I remembered firsthand the fear that gripped many of us in 1975. It was the beginning to the veil being lifted.
Thank you for another well researched and presented video. I was born in 1963 and grew up in "the truth". As a child, thinking that you would never grow old like others around you warps your perceptions. I was told, no need for braces to fix my teeth because Armageddon is coming. From the WT and talks, quit school, sell your house, get married because if you die at Armageddon, when you are resurrected you cannot have children. Anybody who grew up in this knows the trauma of fear. I got baptized at 10 because I wanted to be "a friend of Jehovah's" and see my dead father. Such a triggering video. I remember the 1974 district convention, the final speaker, Br. Art Humphreys saying, "who knows where we will be next year... not here.. this will all be gone... see you after Armageddon". The fact that the leaders backpedaled and started blaming the "enthusiastic" is unconscionable. The fact that original texts have been changed too speaks to the lies and deceit.
@@jessieberle3384 you should know 1914 was a special date it was the day the gentile times ended or do not know Daniel's prophecy yes a lot of things didn't happen that we thought we was a bit previous doesn't mean to say there won't happen how backup says even if it seems like it should delay keep in expecting of it for it will come up on the inhabited earth you're the losers mate there's only one lot of winners I like being in the coronation I like the security we have a welfare phone any of any other has a sick then it's put on that welfare phone and we can go and help them we are tight community and you know it's nice being in the congregations trouble is you're not welcome anymore so you kicking at it just like a donkey kicks at the gods come on admit you miss being in the congregation I don't know what hope you would have seen your apostate fighters against God trampoline on the son of God but you have Risen merciful why not try to come home you know what it feels like LeAnn in the truth secure happy you've got friends you have a laugh or are we doing her coronation yeah you have problems problems everywhere and the thing is you take your problems wherever you go don't let your anger cause you to sin
I'm so devastated. I've been crying for a week now. I tried to talk to my mother and tell her about how JWs are wrong. She refuses to listen; she says that I am listening to apostates. I said that I have not left Jehovah at all. She said that I have to go back to the meetings and get well with Jehovah's organization, because right now, I've left Jehovah completely. I can't stop crying. It hurts so much. I can't talk to any of my friends about my doubts about the organization because they come down really, really hard on me. I'm all alone and I'm scared.
I'm certainly with you in spirit, JEHOVAH will keep you strong, I'm crying inside for you, things will get better, stay strong in your faith, Christian love from Australia...😥😥😥
D Cee
It is sad to hear what happens to you. I know first hand how that feels. But, at least in my opinion, you have to realize that one who does not want to be saved can not be saved. Your mother will not listen to the things you tell her. She can't. She is to deeply connected to that BS. The one person you can save is ..... you. Look ahead and claim the life in freedom that is there waiting for you.
Leave your mother be as she wishes to. You are not to take her out of jw. But you can go. I know it hurts, i kow it's hard. But it is worth it, trust me. Take your time, get some "worldly" friends, learn how life in the real world works. And then free yourself from them.
Thank you so much for this video. This is my favorite topic to research, because I find it so reassuring that the cult is simply a bunch of smoke and mirrors, not divinely inspired by any stretch of the imagination. When the old programming tries to resurface in the form of floating anxiety, these failed predictions remind me that it’s all a lie. This cult is so destructive. Even knowing the truth about the truth, I still feel the lingering effects. Outstanding video! I love the new microphone too...it sounds great!
Monica Owens super well said! That “floating anxiety.” I know that feeling as an ex jw that sometimes has to fight the programming they lay on you. This video was awesome
My parents were sure I wouldn’t get to kindergarten due to the advent of Armageddon. I have a granddaughter about to enter middle school. I sat, mouth agape, for the Watchtower study when they introduced the “new light” explaining their newly made up definition of the word “generation”. No one batted an eye. Well, except me. It’s laughable to me now, but I was pretty shook by the mindless acceptance I witnessed. They literally think Jehovah intentionally gives them info in dribs and drabs to test them. Keep up the great work, Lloyd. I love your videos!
AwesomeTamar As an ex witness I understand what you are saying every meeting was about how Armageddon was going to happen any day now I got so sick of hearing it . Anything you did was never good Enough wasn’t going out in service not getting Enough people to listen to you because you were always being corrected on how to talk to people. Weren’t attending Enough meetings even though you had other obligations. Felt like I wasted 3 years of my life listening to this crap.Went onto another website and a man who was a teenager back in the 70’s was told he wouldn’t see his graduation day back in 1976. He was also an ex witness well he is now in his 60’s a grandfather and retirement age.
I can't believe they are so dishonest about the extent of confidence the organisation had in the idea that the system would end in 1914
IdleBigots ignorance or not they only wanted to do right by god and Jehovah sees that. Jehovah goes by each person individually on judgment day. Plus if people read the Bible it states that no one knows the date but god so please stop trying to attack a religion. Because many are trying to do right by him.
@@yulissabenitez615 Nobody is "attacking" this organization notice how I don't use the word "religion". There is a difference between the facts and attacking. Lloyd has never attacked this "religion" he has only spoken the facts. Facts any JW could easily find for themselves if they dig deep enough, which isn't very deep but, the organization prohibits that you even listen to any apostate material, which btw you're breaking the rules and, I suggest you go to your elders right away and confess and see how loving, and caring they are after that conversation. I know you've been indoctrinated so much so that you fear looking for any facts but, you're on this video for a reason no?
I'm not nor never have been a JW but my 2 older brothers are. They lived at Bethel in NY in the 70's. As a 9 year old child, they would preach to me in a closed door room to indoctrinate me and my sister but it never worked. But hearing them tell me the world is going to end soon was abuse and changed me. Thank you for all that you do.
Please do meet the XJWs on twitter.
Friends and relatives exposed to that cult are welcome too as are other anti cult friendly folks.
KDRogersMD on twitter
See XJW in my profile
The thing Watchtower has been most consistent with since it's inception = being wrong. Great video Lloyd!
Thats quite a thing to be known for....for a religious org ie being WRONG.
Thats because it could have been far different if Jesus were still here on earth, he and his apostles would be directing the org. Even so if that were the case there still would be people who would clash with him.
Hi Lloyd my apostate friend... You are the real deal, tirelessly ensuring that what you put out has been well researched. Regardless of your inner demons that you may be still fighting, you are the BEST on youtube that I've found. Please Continue for those that initially need you (like me!).
How can any current JW say that they’ve never made false predictions, when there is so much clear evidence that they have?
Oh, right, by burying their heads in the sand.
Thanks for the video Lloyd!
These false predictions over the years made people leave them as well.
My father stated that if he followed Watchtower prior to 1975, he would have lived like a bum after the failed date. He was so happy that he did not follow the masses.
The first time I heard about the false prediction of '75 was a boy I met in highschool, his mother was a JW he said but left after the prediction of 75. I brought it up to my parents & they just fobbed it off & made some excuse.
Bye! Bye! Watchtower that happen to me in the 60’ I was studying with them and started to go out from door to door. One day my teacher told me that in 1975 the Armageddon will begin. I really scare I went baptized what naive i was 16 years old when I open my eyes I lost the scare and walk out. Until now all the scandals in the end of 90’ a Hispanic speaking sister accused publicly that she was raped in Bethel and a sister told to not speak because jehova will be mad 😠. Anyway the sister present charges and the TV 📺 show a protest in front of watchtower and the organization speaker deny everything and the attorneys were in charge. I do not know the results regarding the case. Dams cult demons hypocrites murders ex witnesses are committed suicide and others died because they reject blood transfusions.😡
People were fInancially destroyed and people did not get an education to make a living because we were so sure 1975 was the end.
@@lisajane4330 your parents were right ,.....it never happened. ...I was there.....no--one sold their homes.....it's a lie....no- one said the world would end in 1975.
@@jc10907Sealy not true ,.....many Jws are educated......no-one- published 1975 was the end.......that's a lie.
This is an amazing video! :)
And one that I've been waiting for :)
Very in-depth!
I'm impressed, that you were even able to catch two different wordings in two editions of the same book.
Thank you :)
Thank you for helping me on my journey of healing my mental anguish caused by a lifetime of brainwashing. That last scripture you quoted is powerful.
I was only four in 1975, but my parents (third gen jws on my dads side) took this very seriously, even to the point of holding me back from attending kindergarden to not have me in school when the end came. So they even then thought that the end had only delayed. I was in for thirty years, and have had eighteen years of freedom. If I would have had access to this chanel, (or any internet) I would have escaped sooner.
You are helping people Lloyd; and you have my thanks!
"A brief history of failed Watchtower predictions" [video is an hour long]
Sounds about right!
My nom was recruited when I was young. I remember being terrified of end of 1975 I was 13 years old at the time. I remember trying to stay awake for the end of the world. When I woke up in 1976. I started thinking something ain’t right I carried that feeling for years. I left JW at 18. Best thing I ever did.
Wonderful video. Thank you for doing this. I remember a lot of these predictions. I'm so happy that you put them all together.
Finally found some time to sit and watch this. Very, very well put together, thanks as always, Lloyd. I didn’t know about the 1920 prediction, so that one was a surprise
Thanks Lloyd another factual and entertaining video. I’m an Interior Designer - apparently aka Decorator (I got my degree when I was faded from the cult) and there wasn’t a module covering undertaking and I honestly have no idea how being an under taker prepares you for my career. Obviously I’ve missed something 😂😂😂 but good to know my resume may get me a job in a mortuary.
Shona Ford : yea that comparison was so Looney ! ! And yet the WT/GB still cling to many of Rutherfords doctrines.
This quote is a classic leading up to 1975. No one got a refund or any help afterwards from The Watchtower as far as I know
.*** kingdom ministry 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
" Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end..-1 John 2:17."
This goes beyond saying oops sorry. They conned people out of their life savings and home equity. That needs to be REPAID.
I like it when the videos are long. Just makes it the more informative.
Thank you for sharing the quotes!
Lloyd! Your channel has come such a long way from your beginnings!! I've just been watching this and some older videos, I'm so thankful for you and proud of you... keep providing spiritual food at the proper time, it is so needed! Much love from USA 🇺🇸
This is Great!
Thank you. I'm learning more and more each time I watch your video's. I was going to burn my books, but I will keep them for reference and reminder of this cults lies and trickeries.
Witness No More! ☺
This is one of the main reasons for leaving, Deuteronomy 18.22, Matthew 24.36. I find that the average Jw concentrates on the 'new light' and gloss over past mistakes often using the excuse of imperfection. What did Jesus say roughly saying 'if the foundation of a house is no good, that house will not stand'
The new light , light getting brighter, better understanding...excuse really pisses me off! The use Proverbs ( ONE scripture) as an excuse for being wrong, changing or flip flopping. That scripture is totally taken out of context and twisted! When you read the whole chapter Jesus talks about the opposite! How the instruction he gives is good instruction! And that he would never let his people stumble! Its talking about the righteous and the path they are on ...the path of light. And the unrighteous being on the path of darkness. And how it will be more and more apparent in the time of the end what path people are on...due to their conduct and way of life. It has nothing to do with gradual understanding.
See my comments earlier re Genesis chapters 1-11. That is the foundation to ALL Yahweh belief. I cant read through that any more with belief intact.
You get more spiritual truth and food from this video that you do from 10 years of reading the Watchtower
The sound quality is excellent. Nice upgrade! Great video as always. Thank you for your work.
Their predictions are so clearly made up it amazes me how they've managed to convince their followers to believe what they're saying I can't get my head round it
The WT governing body drag in a bunch of people, make an end of the world date to get more free labor out of them. The end date fails. Many leave. Then play the same game again.
Same here ! 😟
Your research is unparalleled. The best vid I have seen on the JWs in regards to their failed prophecies. Keep up the good work and please don’t get rid of this video, it will help many as it probably has already.
Great topic & well covered. It's just cruel to tell children they will never die in this system, like they are potentially immortal. Both my Elder Grandfather & Father told me when I was a young child in 1990 that the new system has to be here within the next 10 years, the sad thing is I believed them.
I was born at the start of the 80's & told the same, Armageddon was months / weeks away.
I thought to myself, phew, l'll never have to go to high school (it was an intimidating place for JW kids....plus utterly pointless getting a worldly education when my future would constitute surviving the end & becoming a submissive paradise wife, who walks around in a skirt admiring fruit & animals with a couple of well presented & very well behaved perfect children)...but, half way through my inevitable high school years, my mum told me she thought she'd also never get to high school before Armageddon!
Its funny & sad in equal measure!
Generations of disappointment & lives on hold! You're not alone!
@@leah9127 haha perfect well behaved children, yes you have to laugh really. Looking back on highschool for me i can honestly say there was no peer pressure, (even though at meetings they would constantly bring up worldly peer pressure) i was always a strong willed person anyway, the only pressure for me was from the platform at meetings & my Dads strictness.
So True ! ! In reference to that ‘69 Awake proclamation; I’m one of those kids of the ‘60s/70s that was never to realize any career and grow old in this system, therefore my fanatical parents discouraged any ‘higher’ education or personal ambitions of any kind. All “this generation” has passed away, I’m now getting old, my kids are all grown too, I don’t have any retirement , feeling betrayed and robbed by the self proclaimed ‘God’s Organization 😳
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 wow feel for you. Yeah its an awful feeling, knowing we would have had completely different priorities if we knew the actual truth. Just have to make the best of the rest of our lives, wish you all the best! I've gone back to school at 38 & loving the experience.
Skye Jones : Yes I agree. I'm in my 50's now, realizing that I was robbed of opportunities to get an advanced education, realizing I was completely indoctrinated by this religion and unbalanced view of life and now realizing that the WT was completely Wrong about 1914 and "This Generation". And since their "inspired expressions" have FAILED, repeatedly, it becomes quite apparent that they are not directed by the God who " can not lie", and that they are not who they claim to be! ! The opposite of True, is False, and while just like the spiritual leaders of many other religions, they may have good intentions, their interpretations and claims have proven to be FALSE.
When I saw the new "Overlapping Generation" interpretation, I knew in that moment something was very Wrong. That then sent me on my quest to research and discover the truth about the truth. Thanks to the internet and folks like Lloyd all things are being revealed to those who can honestly face the reality of these things.
While I can't let go of my belief in the gospel message I have greatly encouraged my daughters and others to get a good education. And since I'll need to work 'till I'm 70 I'm now going to school myself to learn coding & design, trying to pull it together before I'm too old and it's too late !
Yes when these dates are laid out back to back people can't fail to see how ridiculous it all really is. So thanks for doing this vid. I hope some jw's do see this. I can remember being home in Aust. in 1999 seeing my parents [I always went to one Sunday meeting with them to make them happy, I had been faded then for nearly 15 years & still had a very good relationship with all the jw family] anyway, the visiting speaker was pointing his finger into the audience saying in a over excited hyper voice - "this time next year we'll be through the great tribulation brothers". I had no idea what he was talking about & said to the parents back home at lunch, what ever happened to 1975 ? dad shrugged his shoulders & the mother says - well, its a lot closer now then isn't it.
Oh how I wish I could go back in time, I knew nothing much then, until I was forced to do intense research of this religion [CULT] that I was born & baptised into at 15 for the very first time in my life, only because I stumbled across by complete chance in feb.16. the ARC. Then I asked my very elderly parents about it, then they & the rest of the family went into complete shut down mode, & I have been completely cut from all & any communication with the family ever since & are now treated as dead.
The ARC & the child abuse issue's have became my chosen subject & now I am a activist after 30 odd years of living a jw free life.
The first thing I was SURE was wrong was literal belief in Noahs flood.
I call those of us that lost our families...cult orphans.
@@KatherineRogers Yes, thats true we are orphans. I really didn't know about how this shunning had been ramped in the past 35 odd years, I don't live in Australia where all my family still are. They do this to me because I only told them the truth of the ARC, how very dare they.
Its crazy, sad, cruel, disgusting, unnecessary, shameful, I think we all could fill this page with words, hey. My family are dead, but they are not, its so stupid.
Yeh & Noahs arc, just how did the 2 koala's & 2 the kangaroo's get to Australia without ever having sex & dropping their off spring all along the way. How could we ever have believe all this shit.
With all their failed predictions and false prophesy that didn't come true, then why is the Watchtower still with us today?
My father was a teenager living and working as a bethelite at Brooklyn Bethel in the early 1970’s. We all know that Watchtower was seriously ramping up Their propaganda about the year 1975 as being the conclusive and definitive end and the year of Armageddon. My father passed away before I could ask him what life was like at Brooklyn Bethel during that time. My entire immediate family faded from the organization about 20 years ago but I didn’t start really diving deep into the dark history of Watchtower and their false teachings until after my father passed away. As someone who was a bethelite and living at Watchtower HQ during the early 1970’s, it would have been really amazing to get a first hand account as to how the governing body acted during that time period and I also would have really appreciated listening to my fathers stories as to how sensationalized their talks were at this time knowing that they believed Armageddon was literally right around the corner. When it didn’t come to pass, I also would have liked to know what kind of lie they told all of the young Bethelites why Armageddon didn’t happen.
Deut 18:20-22 couldn't be more real to me now, thankyou! I find it so unsettling that rather than apologising for endless false dooms day predictions they have gone back and edited the past to cover up what they are obviously embarrassed about!? In an organisation where it demands extreme openness from its followers with regards to any sort of wrong doing/mistakes and administers serious punishment for such...you would think the occasional "Sorry chaps..Whoops we got it wrong" wouldn't go a miss?
I remember it well, but also the quotation no man knows the day or hour. I am now 64. I was 13 in 1969. What is unforgivable is the fact that when it didn't happen the WTBS denied that it had said it. We all make mistakes but to lie that they had said it is treacherous. Now I learn they had done the same thing repeatedly in earlier decades. It's despicable. They are scammers, liers, frauds
False profits.
J H False profits AND prophets. Both would be correct. 👍
K.C. Sinclair you think???
To the argument that some witnesses use, that these publications came out before they were named Jehovah's witnesses, I like to point out that they wouldn't have books, DVD's, and walls dedicated in Bethel, to glorifying their history from Russell till now. The name change did not mean a new religion, especially in light of the fact that many of the doctrines created as bible students, continued and have continued long into their new name as Jehovah's witnesses.
Actually start with Genesis chapters 1-11. Those foundation stories underlie Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Those fail. So does any iteration of Yahweh (Hebrew) = Jehovah (English) = Allah (Arabic) belief. IT the same god re the god of Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses. No Yahweh and it all falls apart.
Example....see creative day 3 where ALL kinds of plants are made but ZERO animals, not even single celled animals. Instead, the rock record of the earth shows plants and animals developing at the same time in ecosystems. No matter how you spin the length of a "creative day" there is NO portion of the rock record where ALL kinds of plants are formed from single celled to pine trees and roses, yet during the same time period there are ZERO animal types in existence. In a collection of stories written by men....this type of huge gaffe is understandable, but it does indicate it was NOT influenced in large part by an all knowing creator god.
There are plenty more examples of problems of Genesis chapters 1-11. I have written many in my twitter feed.
KDRogersMD on twitter
See XJW in my profile.
@@KatherineRogers The name Yahweh was an Egyptian dessert god also found in Roman and other cultures, The Hebrew name was Yehowah as seen in the liquistics, ......Moses mothers name (Yacobed),.....the name was restored by Masorites in the 6th century, than Latinized by a Spanish monk in 1290,.....like Jerusalem, Joshua, Jesus, etc..........as far as rock fossils, ........the record clearly shows that plants were here first.......exactly like the bible says.
i think this is one of your best videos. Just sticking to the facts is the best way to go. Good work :-)
This has been the most outstanding video of yours I’ve ever watched. I never knew about that scripture about prophets. Amazing. Great work
Another amazing video Lloyd.
The false 1975 prediction had very terrible, terrible, effects on some JWs. I remember in our circuit here in Australia, there was a zealous brother who was well known by many even outside the circuit. He lived in a town not far from where I lived. After the 1975 prediction failed and the reality set in, this brother was so overwhelmed, he kept saying to other brothers “but they said the end was going to come in 1975.” He was told to let it go but he could not. It affected him so much that he dug a huge hole in the ground in his back yard filled it with old car tyres. He lit the tyres waited till it was a ball of flames and jumped in. This was a horrific way to die. Very, very, sad as this brother had put all his faith in the prediction by Fred Franz, and when it failed, he had nothing to live for. Many of the brothers and sisters judged this man harshly and justified their own faith, many gossiped about his lack of faith in the organisation. The Organisation and the individual leadership is blood guilty for going far beyond the scriptures and causing horrific damage to Christs sheep. No one of the JW's cares to remember this Brother.
What a heartbreaking story. The whole smoke and mirrors dishonesty around the 1975 fiasco showed Watchtower for the con men they are. The language they used teased and tantalized JWs into believing 75 was the end while giving them an out by claiming "1975 was only a marker year" and even piling the blame on the rank and file when the date came and went. This organization has too much control over their adherents' lives and minds and stories like this one illustrate the dangers of following this group.
Great research Lloyd. Felt kinda stupid to be fooled for so long. Current JWs please research and redeem your life from the clutches of Watchtower.
khanwh74 same! Such a “gargantuan waste of time” as Lloyd says in another video.
@@unplugged2842 Think of it as training to be an anti cult activist. You know that cult MUCH better than people who have never been in it. You know that they WT is lying for example if they claim they NEVER had another end of "this system of things" date.
Psalms 33:11 -
“But the decisions of Jehovah will stand forever; The thoughts of his heart are from generation to generation.”
…… meaning the food he decides to give “through the Governing Body” should never become outdated!!! Also it’s show a lack of humility that they don’t accept that “Only the father knows the hour”
Thank you for an another amazing video. You have done so much for so many people. Your first video is what really helped me to wake up. I saw it in November of 2015 but it took another 4 months for me to leave.
Hi Lloyd, great video ! I can still remember the two JW ringing the bell in our house in 1973 (in Switzerland) and talking to my mum, with the sale's motto: " the end is near". That was the selling point, every other religion got it wrong, "we got it right". So she became a JW, and being kids, we were fed with the brain-washing studies until I was 16. Somehow I always had a doubt about the claims they were trying to make you believe, but being a good kid, I "followed" duly all the studies until I had the age to decide about what religion I'm going to pursue. Needless to say, I stepped away from day 1!
I would be interested to know if you could do two vlogs:
1) the "Genesis" of the JW in 19th century compared to a multitudes of new religions that has popped up in the USA at the same period. I mean, the birth place of the religions is in the Middle-East, but the "true" Christians suddenly became active in the USA 1800 years later ! Explain that...
2) It occurs to me that a lot of JW are diagnosed with depression, especially adults that have been JW all their lives ( brought up by parents JW ). Obviously during the 9 years studying, I knew a lot of other kids that were in the same situation, and 99% of them followed through. Now adults, I, as a fact knows that a large number are facing psychological problems.
Top video!
Your next video should answer this question: "why does God seem to favour America so much"?
Russell, Rutherford, Headquarter, Jesus coming in 1919... All about America. Ancient worthies coming to America in 1925...
Is God American?
Might as well have the American national song played at the Kingdom halls!!!!!
Good point...And Yes...I get the sarcasm !
Something else Mormons and watchtower have in common: the idea that God is obsessed with the US.
So true!! I often thought this. Definitely the land of whacko beliefs!!
@@ld-zj1bn And isn't it called "The New World"... ;-)) ?
Clelia C. Haha. Yes!!
I was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist. It is amazing how many things about JW also apply to both. Perhaps you can do a comparison.
Why would people give a thumbs down? Cant argue with the facts. Nice job Lloyd, as always
Amazing video! If any of the elders that are after me right now stumble among this comment during your investigation on trying to prove my "Thought Crimes", I advice you to actually watch this video in its entirety as part of your investigation.
This is one of my favourites Lloyd 👍
Months ago I panicked. A world event happened and I thought it was the beginning of the end. I was thinking of killing myself and the organization was right about armageddon. As a child I was always worried about the end of time, death, and dying. I always hoped that I would die before armageddon came.
Zee Zee- Hey hopefully you are out now. It is now your season and your chapter in a new free life! 🙂
People care deeply and it should never get to that point.
I can relate to this. Keep on keeping on Zee Zee. It’s no cake walk!
All leavers feel like that....because thats what the org tells us " if you're out then you're doomed & God's gona cleanse you off his planet".
But Zee Zee, that's purely their interpretation, & Lloyd has just done a great job of showing us how far off the mark that can be.
God judges hearts, only you & God know whats in there.
So even if you're now a wearer of tight pants, don't let the JWs fear mongering put your life at risk...especially from yourself.
Stay strong, its your heart, not your religions affiliation that counts. There's Hope & lm sure when the time comes there will be a lot of shocked and confused faces at who survives...especially from the JWs who thought they alone have earned exclusive entrance rights.
.....but lm rambling now, l just hate to see anyone feel needlessly pressured in such a terrible emotional corner.
Best wishes for a good day & a better tomorrow. x
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1
Unfortunatly with the way the jws teach it, its easy to see how desperate ones who feel inadequate might think that if they've lost their chance then the "cool aid" option could secure their families spot & is a sacrifice worth making. But its all twisted reasoning! The jws should not go around judging, shunning & writing people off, only god can judge...and that between him & each individual. It's the wicked salve who beats his brothers. If being dead was really the best strategic option then jesus wouldn't have wept over Lazarus & brought him back. Best wishes for a happy, healthy and full life while we wait to see how it all unfolds.
I’m the same way 100 percent. It’s a daily fear for me. It’s been like this for years and the amount of anxiety and panic attacks are uncountable. I struggle till this day even tho I’ve seen a lot of watchtowers lies and false predictions. It’s just been drilled in me for 20 years that it’s hard to just simply forget 🙃
A cousin got married in 1974. I attended the wedding in his Kingdom Hall in SE London. I recall we had a conversation after his wedding telling me that Armageddon was coming in 1975. My reply was we can continue with this discussion in 1976 and he can tell what went wrong. I can't remember exactly what he said, only that it was some feeble excuse to do with a miscalculation of the biblical dates.... Just incredible :-)
Spiritual food? Are we sure people are not being fed spiritual puke?
Baby birds love it!
OMG! This!!!
I gotta take a spiritual💩 afterwards.
Wow! Listened to the whole video! Again, thank you for your time and effort. You are amazing giving of your time! Blessings!
This video clearly shows why they are chucking the Kingdom Hall Library in the skip!!!
Brilliant as usual- thank you. Do you know in 30 years I was so busy keeping up with “new light” FS, assemblies, conventions, meeting attendance, yada, yada, yada, you just DO NOT have time to look this up!!! I just believed without checking, I feel so dumb actually- really appreciate your research. It’s all black & white and no white board overlapping demonstrations needed!! 😂😂😂
Good mic upgrade Lloyd! I’m a musician so really appreciate this, the old one sounded brittle and harsh, this one’s nice :) ... A touch ‘high mid’ reduction on the EQ would further enhance the sound :)
Really interesting, thanks Lloyd x
Very nicely done, Lloyd. Well researched and very much to the point. Having been a JW for nearly 15 years from the early 1950s to the mid 1960s - and with close family members who stayed in the WT to their very end - I know the frustration of trying to get JWs to research and investigate the history of the Watchtower. My father was the classic JW - he couldn't argue with my logic and he even admitted that the failed dates bothered him, but he and Mom felt they had been in for so long that it was too late for them to leave. So they were essentially imprisoned by their own beliefs even when they knew the "Truth" was not the "truth." Such a shame that the Watchtower continues to entrap so many people with their lies.
Thanks John! Even though I'm aware of these false dates it still rattles me to read the actual quotes and note the conviction with which the claims were put forward. It's hard to believe that such a habitually-wrong doomsday cult could go on to have a following numbering into the millions and spanning the globe. I guess people's ignorance on these matters is a major reason for Watchtower's success, which is why I'm happy to set the record straight to the extent I can. Anyway, it's always lovely to hear from you my old friend. I hope you and the family are doing well!
Thanks Lloyd, I can't believe I fell for this JW religion, most JW elders just be making up random teachings and telling people what they want to hear.
Thank you for reviewing all these failed predictions so well and including your citations in detail. I’m saving this video for potential encounters with other close encounters with receptive or questioning JWs and with those who may study the Bible with them that I become aware of.
I’m actually thinking of sharing this with my dad, who’s faded for different reasons than their dogma. Sometimes, I think that he’s still attached to their belief system while being disillusioned by their behaviors and organization. I hope this helps pull the scales away from his eyes about the utter hogwash this false prophet (by biblical definition) has been spewing for over a century.
What a good idea for a vid and well covered to
Thanks
I wonder if Abraham and his homies were actually resurrected, then they looked around and were like, "Nope! F this. I'm out!"
Great video, when u hear all the wrong predictions its a wonder wt still exists. Also the poor children that had to live thru the horror of hearing about Armageddon, must have caused lots of nightmares.
I had those as a JW kid. I know IM not the ONLY one.
re Armageddon nightmares
Even if you don't have nightmares its always in the back of your mind, I recall them saying constantly it would come like a thief in the night.
Fantastic ,greetings from Leeds UK
Thank you for bringing up 2000. My family now denies vehemently that the Watchtower was all but proclaiming that the end would come before January 1, 2020. They were hardcore flaunting it until about 1998, when they started to revert back to "no one knows the day and time but it's soon"
I swear that Clip at 44:00 was like listening to a Audio tape from Bioshock. So completely disconnected from ACTUAL Truth. "Stay Alive till '75". How could anyone have stayed in the Organization after that? I remember my Father telling me how scary it was during that time. And now, he's an Elder for more than 20 years now....this is fear mongering at its finest.
We are ALL alive ...and its after 75, so is THIS supposed to be the NEW system? We MADE it. YEAH! Im joking but not by much. Its really crazy stuff.
I don't remember seeing any big daddies at the kingdom halls.
I think a lot stopped believing but they had ' where else can we go?' ringing in their ears
Geez Watchtower struck out more than Babe Ruth in the 1920s.. without any of the home runs
They see none of this. The "spiritually strong" keep their eyes closed and stick to the rules.
"Life Everlasting" was still around when I was young. It might have even been used at Book Study during my early childhood.
The Life Everlasting book was a key book introducing the 1975 is the end claim. I asked JWs about that 1975 claim. They said I....was mistaken, so I got a used Life Everlasting book off Amazon and looked it up. Yup that 1975 claim is IN there. To get to it you have to read past a really awful argument as to why allegedly...demons are real, a threat, but can be avoided if you look to the WT org for advice.
moving the goal post.... good one. it's like saying 'the governing body is not wrong, it merely changes the definition of being right'
Lloyd you forgot a very important part of doctrine: light has an expiration date.
Another great video. Thanks for all the hard work researching all that info. It amazes me how this info is right in front of us.
Another one well done video, will be one of my favorites.
These old books are legend to me. Thanks for sharing this text and showing the covers! It explains so much about what my elders believed and why. So sad, they were deceived.
Love this Lloyd, they really keep shifting the goal posts. Publishing new books to hide their lies and history. I love using their two edged sword against them
I remember my parents after being directed throwing out all their old books in the 70s, then the 80s 🧐
Lloyd, are you in your new “bunker?”
That's what I was wondering. If so, that was the fastest reno ever! I want to hire him to do my house!
When I was active, i was proud of knowing a lot of the history. 😂
But really... To think about going to the meetings 5 day a week, and still be living that ww1 started when Russel clapt his hands. 😂 I was stupid, stupid, stupid.
You weren't stupid. You were simply deceived. We all were.
Born and raised JW ,i left the "truth"at the age of 20.I was encouraged not to bother with school and career because armageddon was coming in 5yrs time.This was 30yrs ago.The jw organisation is still encouraging youth to give up education and career today and it destroys chances of finding jobs.
Very good work Lloyd , thank you
Looks like there is progress in the basement studio.
Loving the studio/man cave!
Looking great! I would love to see some sound panels and stuff. Would really improve audio quality when not sitting right beside the microphone
When I was a JW I was told to never look at things like this but facts are facts. It makes me sick to think I grew up with this shit. Really messed me up in the head.
JW’s don’t want you to read anything but their
twisted literature, they don’t want you to be able to reach a conclusion based on facts and not their twisted made up false Propaganda! It’s not the Truth it’s just made up twisted cherry picked Lies! How many times are they going to predict Armageddon, only to see it pass ? Can’t you see that they are lying to you, it’s false prophecy!
I forgot one thing about those awful 1975 days until I was reading through an old note book ....it said "Watchtower Bible & Tract Society never believed the "end" would come in 1975 because ............ WT Society was still playing/investing in the stock market in December 1975 !" .....I never checked it but it should still be in the records ....
Another great video Lloyd. Right to the point. Keep up the good work!
34 minutes in the book you use refers to Enoch being resurrected with other biblical patriarchs... doesn't the bible say that Enoch never died but ascended to heaven as a living being and should still be alive How did they make that error?
Enoch died in his sleep,.....he was disintegrated into non-existence at his death, ....like .Elijah and Jesus, .......John 3.13 (no man has ascended into heaven) and again in acts2.34 ...(actually, David did not ascend into heaven)