Olivia Wright - Olivia, laughing at pillow fornication just isn't right! You're encouraging down feather sinning. Next thing the brothers will be cheating on their home pillows with loose, ungodly hotel cushions!
There was an elderly man I liked speaking to when I was around 10. I used to go up to him after meetings and just talk to him. I stopped after my mum said it looked a certain way that I spent so much time with him. It scared me. Later I was around 15 and I liked speakin to a married guy in his 30s. He was like my best friend in the meetings. I stopped speaking to him after my mum told me people were talking about how it looked that I spoke to him so much. A lot of this is just my mum. And another part of it is the strange atmosphere the jw fosters about people speaking to the opposite sex, even when you're young. And now in my 20s, I find it very hard to befriend men or even hold a conversation with them without thinking I'm sending out signals. And I hold my mother and the organisation to blame.
Ugh talk about it!! My best friend is a male and my dad would literally make me cry over the times I would hang out with him(mind you in large groups right in front of people at parties) just to take me to the car to scorn me and remind me of what people must think. Funny story is I actually tried dating him once because everyone assumed we’d end up together but then I realized I was an aromantic lesbian😂
Same! When i was a teen i made a good friend who was a boy in the congregation. I was made to cut him off and block him completely and we even changed halls (in the same building) to avoid him be ause it looked like "We where sleeping together or something."
Nope, I’m sorry. A married guy in his 30s has absolutely no business being friends with a 15 year old. That’s just the kind of grooming behavior these people take on, you can see the pattern in almost every congregation.
@@st.commodus1437 to be fair you're right. But that wasn't the issue that people were having with it. They thought it looked wrong not because I was hanging with someone much older but because I was hanging around a married man and mainly men in the congregation really. I was a child and that shouldn't have been the concern. Youre right, they're first thought should have been that its not safe - even though I have to say I don't think the man was inappropriate at all
I don’t even know where to begin... I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and I completely submerged myself in the teachings and explanation of the scriptures. My parents remarried after finding the “Truth”, in order to raise me better. My divorced grandmother married a worldly man on the stipulation that he study and become a witness himself. He agreed and committed himself to the teachings, eventually becoming an elder. My father, a ministerial servant, while being considered for an elder position, was unfaithful to my mother whom he remarried. With four children in attendance, his announcement of disfellowship was humiliating for our family, on top of my grandfather being an elder. This was only the tip of the iceberg for my family’s tribulation. My mother was shortly thereafter disfellowshipped as well, because she knew about my father’s infidelity and had not immediately gone to the elders. So now I was attending meetings with my three siblings, pitied and ostracized... And it doesn’t end there. I was baptized at 16 at an assembly meeting, both parents disfellowshipped, and continued to pioneer, while soaking up any literature and wisdom within this religion. I decided to pursue Bethel because I was determined to bring honor to my stained family and because I truly believed that was my place in Jehovah’s plan. My junior year of high school I had sex with another male and my guilt led me to confide in a family who “adopted” me/ was housing me. I was encouraged to admit my sin to the elders and when I did, they publicly reproved me in front of the congregation that witnessed my parents public disfellowshipping. I had officially let my entire family down. I was no longer an acceptable candidate for Bethel and I was offered no prospect that my unnatural attraction to males could ever be resolved. My family has been torn apart, I haven’t spoken to my father in over 5 years, my mother is a recluse, my grandparents (who I had an outstanding, close relationship with) have denounced me. I’ve never seen anything like this until now and I’m so thankful that there is an intelligent, logical discussion about this cult religion I was so submersed in.
Seriously, the whole point of Jesus' death on the cross was to take on himself our sins in order to make us pure before God. Have the JWs forgotten this?
The LGBT community knows all about this sort of stuff, and has many organizations designed to help you through the trauma. If you don't live in a big enough city, go online and learn about what's out there. While the LGBTQ social world has a dark side, like every other social group, there's a wonderful world out there for you to discover. There are plenty of positive role models of people who have built successful, morally grounded, creative and happy lives celebrating their sexual preference.
I love how they'll use 'judicial action' when it comes to sexting, but not when it comes to rampant child exploitation and molestation... this is an evil cult that needs to be shut down.
Honestly, these video clips almost make me feel physically ill. The faces, the words, the tone, the comical arrogance of these guys! Oh how I remember that attitude. I was born into a hardcore JW family, and I’m proud to say that I broke out at the age of 14, in 1980. Yes I am carrying scars but I’ve had a good life.
these video's from these condescending men are nausiating, but the specifity they gave exemples of inmoral/unclean actions make me think: "F**** never thought about that, should try it sometime." I really get the impression that last toad was speaking from his own rich experience.
Same, so triggering the way the governing body talk. I feel like I used to hear them talk growing up. I'm not sure if it's the same guys. That condescending, slow, innovative way of talking! It's like a brainwashing method...
And what I just thought of is, how is it appropriate for a married elder to listen to a confession of a sexually explicit story from a woman who isn’t his wife? 🤔🙄
So as a sister in the cong... ...I can't hold a mic ...I can't manage the literature ...I can't LEAD the group ...I'm only qualified to pioneer YET - I am supposed to be responsible for how a brother reacts to what I wear? I'm expected NOT insight his friggin loins to action and I should be mindful of what dress I come to the hall in? GTFOH...🤣
@@midknightmiddleman5887 No, but if from that rejection they conclude that flirting is cruel and blames half the population of the planet for the actions of one or a couple of women, it's a pretty safe bet.
What impressed me the most is this "brother" advising sisters to be mindful of how they can affect a man, but he says nothing to the man telling him not to misinterpret affection that is conveyed. Astonishing that this "brother" puts the responsibility on sisters! Ughhhhhh
Love how a sister needs to watch and take on the responsibility of how people get aroused towards her, but he straight up tells the men “of course you are not responsible for how others could get aroused when looking at you.” Victim blaming women at it’s finest!!
My thoughts exactly. To women: "don't dress provocatively just to get prideful joy out of playing with men's emotions." To men: "of course, it's not your fault if someone nurtures unclean desires about you." Looking at clothing rules always provides clear evidence that an organization is misogynist, controlled by men, and centered on men's experience.
And this happens in every congregation. When I was abused and a victim of statutory rape with a brother in a nearby congregation some of my family meme era asked what I did to entice him abusing me. And then the elders when everything came out said after extensive uncomfortable interrogation “he’s admitted he has done wrong and is sorry” he married that elders daughter 6 months later.
Here is one experience I had with a JW elder when I was in the cult. He was my boss so I couldn’t do anything about it. Greasy, fat, grey and black hair, balding, glasses falling down his nose, hairs coming out of his nose and ears, questionable breath, a pig, oh, sorry, pigs, I didn’t mean any disrespect. OK I know, I know, you can’t judge a book by its cover. I worked in a large automotive parts place, customers out front, parts in the warehouse in the back. The manager of this department was a JW elder. I was just newly baptized and trying to follow all those rules, trying to be good, minding my own business. The elder boss, started to follow me to the back, he’d stand too close, brush imaginary lint off my shoulder, and lightly touch my bare arm. I was horrified and repulsed, and really, there was no none I could go to about this. He was my boss. (My husband never knew anything about this, he’d have harmed his fat ass.) I had to go to the back all day long and would check furiously over my shoulders, run like hell for the car parts and get back to the front before he caught me back there. Many times he would intercept me. He got bolder and bolder. He’d tell me how pretty I was, that I had a beautiful body, my hair smelled wonderful, beautiful smile, on it went. So then I thought I’ll have some fun before I quit my job. One day when he caught me out back, I leaned way over to get something off a bottom shelf, so he could get a good look at my ass. Next time I reached waaaaay up so my boob touched his arm. Ha,ha, ha, served him right to be jacked up all day long. I forgot to mention that his wife was a friend of mine. They had five kids as well. On Sunday mornings he would stand at the pulpit and speak like he was a normal person. Often he would look at me slyly, like we had a secret or something, and I would look away as fast as humanly possible. One day in the warehouse he asked me if my husband was satisfying me to my liking. I said, Noooooooooo, not reeeeeeeeally, whyyyyyyyyy do you ask? Smiling coyly. Much to my surprise he leaned over and tried to kiss me. I pulled back and said, No, no nooooooooooo, waggling my finger, not here. He asked, WHERE! WHEN! WHEN!!!!! I sashayed off. Quit my job, kicked that cult to the curb. Wasted five years of my life. And then there was the window washer Dub elder who would just stare and stare at me. Creeped me out. What a pile of uneducated, non thinking, sheep following, suppressed, frightened, wife beating, controlled bunch of fornicators. Now tell me, how does this creepy dude know ANYTHING about doing stuff with animals, and LAP DANCING!!! How does he know about that? Obviously he’s been to the strip bars and to the barn. Another pig. Sorry pigs.
Wow only 4yrs late to read your story. Not surprised. I've heard the same also a few times now. Do as I say, not as I do. What an utter creep your elder boss was. His poor wife n kids. I had to tell a jw relative to never touch me like that again. The first time I was just shocked, had no words. I was about 16. The 2ndctime I raised my voice n said, never touch me like that again. They never did. But it took me a no of yrs in his company to feel safe. It still gives me nightmares sometimes bc how far was he willing to take it if I had froze the 2nd time also.
My breasts are quite large. It was always a struggle to dress for the meetings. Any bit of cleavage was an issue. I’m gone now and I don’t have to worry about it anymore. #safetypins
@@kathyheitchue2022 Sounds about right. I was overseas and I was at a multi-national camp, so, I went to the German shoppe and picked up a newspaper. As I skimmed through it I saw an ad for women's underwear (panties). Low and behold, that's all she was wearing, no bra....boobies out. lol Goes to show you, there are things that are indecent are just a matter of someones point of view or culture. Typically in the US, we tend to shun even the natural things (breast feeding and some nip showed) that in other parts of the world its like....yeah, she's breastfeeding....so what? Mind you, I could care less. As long as you are not hurting, its whatever to me.
@@kathyheitchue2022 "Breasts are for feeding babies" yes, but they are also for sex. we are by nature sexual beings, and it is not just breasts that have a secondary roll in sex, and them not being taboo in certain cultures does not make them less baseline arousing. I'm not saying female chests being taboo is good, I just think you are over playing your hand with this argument.
John Pange How about an elder/special pioneer ( in his fifties and never married) saying on the platform when a young brother answers “ I like your hair cut” in front of the whole congregation!!! But that’s ok because he’s a special pioneer! And not to mention how many times I’ve seen him talk to young brothers and asking them for their phone numbers when they would visit our hall. Even doing street witnessing when we would see Spanish young brothers doing the same he would stop to talk to them and ask them for their phone number! Because he knows that I know he’s a homosexual he slandered me. I was marked and kicked out of the Kingdom Hall. He is a textbook covert narcissist.
Don't you think it is the bang between the compliment and the disfellowshipping that is the main 'unfairness'... er I mean problem, those incharge have?
From Geogre Orwell's 1984: “How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?“ Winston thought. “By making him suffer”, he said. “Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy - everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Just wow! I’m 45 years old. I was raised in “the truth”, gave my letter of disassociation in 2016. I had been going to the KH since I was 5, baptized at 14. I had nightmares up until 2016. The very first day that I mailed that letter, the nightmares stopped. And they were real bad nightmares. Anyway been watching your videos and wanted to say thanks. The amount of mind and life control that they have on people is creepy. I’m so glad that I’m out of there. Thanks again.
Just out of curiosity, why does any jw feel that a letter of resignation is necessary…? The witchtower deserves no such consideration in view of what’s been revealed about it, and the damage it’s done to many thousands, and too many abuses to even begin listing in this post… I’m not criticizing, just wondering
Tylin Bree thank goodness you got away. I fortunately was able to escape once I made 18 although I only had one believing parent (mother) I felt miserable every meeting day knowing I couldn’t partake in anything after school whether it be friends coming by my house which was forbidden or me going to hang with them and of course a big fat no to extracurricular activities. My mother likely rob me of a basketball career
This channel has been the biggest part of my awakening.. although I've sadly lost many family and friends, I can confidently say that nothing can be compared to the feeling of being free from this cult... It took me two whole years to finally to exit ! Thanks Lloyd.. I encourage all the young ones like myself, who are starting to doubt this religion to keep researching and use their critical thinking skills !
Stephen Dexter Goodluck bro... make sure you watch Lloyd's video that talks about tips for leaving the Jw faith. He's got some really good tips on there. I think being disfellowshipped and losing everyone is too much for me. So I'm going to just slowly fade away and be classed as "inactive" for a while so that I can stay in touch with my mum and sisters.. Stay strong in your journey to freedom bro💪🏾
Last year when I announced to my parents that I love them very much but I don't think I can continue with this religion, they kicked me out too and later got shunned by everyone for being. Disfellowshipped.. I understand the struggle you're going through, but just know that In time you will heal and there are millions of people out there that can show you unconditional Love regardless of your faith. I can without doubt say leaving was the best decision I've ever made. Go out and make new friends and enjoy your freedom to the fullest!
Stephen Dexter Wow, Good Luck Bro! I may be faced with the same after 25 years as I just had it out with an elder over the JW pervasive pedophilia issue and the video leaks. I'm using Trey Bundy's articles and telling the Elders the "leakers" are active JW's still in good standing now simply aware of what's going on behind the scenes, not the elders idea of "Apostates". And use Howie Rutledge Tran's experience as a Bethel Elder and GB Helper to Karl Klein in reading and discovering BETHEL'S OWN APOSTATE LIBRARY next to Gene Smalley's office in the Writing Department. Not to mention the redacted internal JW child abuse database they're getting fined $4,000 a day in California paid for by the "Worldwide Work" contributions. They need a wake up call to point to the REAL problems if they're pointing fingers at you and do not let them use the BITE and FOGS models in the meeting trying to control the conversation hearing. Best to you, Dave in Wisconsin, USA via Chicago
The ending where he tells brothers to confess to wrongdoing is laughable. Obviously they just want more raunchy stories of misconduct to add to their endless repertoire of oddly specific sexual situations.
When i was 17 they did a Judicial meeting. I was alone, my mother was not a JW at that time.I was also a pioneer. I met with them because they were under the impression that I was sexually active and they were questioning me. Asking me questions if I was ever sexually abused if I had blood or not. I am still traumatized today day I suffer from PTSD. Because they didn't believe me . I appealed that decision and that was even worse 6 Elders met with me. I will love to share my story. I am still being percussion from JW.
I was constantly felt I was wrong. As an attractive young woman, I received so much unwanted & uninitiated attention from men in the org, young and old. I was “wrong” if I was dismissive because I was rude, I was wrong if I entertained the attention because I was flirting. It made me hate my body and abuse my body with eating disorders my whole life!
As a gay man, their views on "Self-abuse" made me feel like I directly caused my own gayness. I was suicidal at one point in my life. I wonder how many other JW boys and men didn't survive. The GB has blood on its hands.
@@Mabeylater293 Thank you for your comment. I have prayed to Jehovah since I was seven years old to make me straight, I have attempted suicide 3 times causing minor brain and stomach damage and I am diagnosed bi-polar, obsessive compulsive and have had severe anxiety since I was small. I dissassociated just a few months ago because I could not take it anymore. I stopped masturbating because of the society's advice and only then did I end up committing fornication which I was privately reproved for because the elders all loved me because of my willingness to help and my love for Jehovah. I still feel guilty when I masturbate and I still struggle with Armageddon nightmares and my sexuality. Your comment lifts a great burden off my shoulders. Thank you. I'm tired of the constant guilt and not having control over my own life, I'm so glad I left in my late 30s as opposed to wasting so many more decades of my life.
I used to ask my parents this same thing for so long. They would always go back to the “ free will” concept, yet if you exercise this “free will” you get your family taken away and friends. So is it really free will ?🤔 .... no
Jonathan Hargreaves, a ministerial servant in Bolton, UK was obviously gay. We younger folk recognised it but the elders didn't. He came out and was disfellowshipped ( funny but auto correct, doesn't know that word!) His younger brother, David, was name called and made to feel bad by his peers he committed suicide. I blame the society. My dad is still an elder and rants about the false Muslim religion surrounding him. Nutters, all. Peace guys and girls ❤️
As a young sister in the 70's we were bereated about our skirt lenght. We may entice a wrong emotion from a brother. Nothing changes. Making being human a sin.
Just showed parts of this to my non Witness husband and he lol. He couldn’t believe it. The WT has gone completely insane. How there are still people inside this cult today is mind boggling?
Growing up as a JW has essentially left me very isolated, struggling just to survive. The numerous types of abuse brought on by this organization has left me very scarred. Figuratively and literally.
@@nickyannajones just remember that healing is not linear. They programmed us to feel this way it’s like second nature. But I promise that one day you’ll feel better. Continue to build a life outside, do not feel discouraged by set backs. Setbacks are a normal part of life and not an indication that “Things are worse on the outside”. When we go through things we have to get up and keep going, not for a religion but for ourselves.
I just want to say. I have been watching many of your videos recently and I appreciate you so much. I started watching your Chanel when I was 20. I am a disfellowshipped 22 year old. I was disfellowshipped at 19. It’s been difficult seeing brothers and sisters in my hometown make eye contact with me and quickly look to the floor. The points you bring out and or expose in many of your videos are wonderful. I was a regular pioneer and really wanted to go to bethel. And now I can’t even imagine sitting through this information anymore. Thank you for your voice and your platform.
I read a bit of the regulations to my non-witness partner and he said one of the GB must be a closet homosexual who is worried of getting turned on by seeing other men in "provocative" or tight clothing, there's no other explanation for their obsession with gay men "blending in"...
Daniel Finkbeiner and thank you for this. I need to cut and edit it and then send the video like “look at this encouraging talk!” To the elderly sisters in my hall lol!
Gary Breaux was the guy who appointed me as an elder. I worked with him in field service. Just in case you are wondering, yes he is that creepy in real life. I asked him why they ask about child abuse when you are asked if you can serve as an elder, he told me “to make sure we’re not putting ourselves in legal issues”. Chairman of the Service Dept. folks. Not worried about their actually being kiddie diddlers, nope. He’s worried about legal issues. I wish I was “woken up” then.
In 1973 when my father was still in Brooklyn 8 bethelites were kicked out for being gay. Nathan Knorr was furious. Gilead graduation was two weeks after this. Knorr took his anger out on the crowd. My mom was dating my dad at the time and she and the entire audience who were not at bethel had no clue what was going on. There have been gay men at bethel since it was founded. And there is nothing wrong with it! I have been married for over 20 years and since I left the borg I have no anger against gays! This is such a cult!
The reason they end up making a video like this is because, from time to time, during morning worship, family watchtower study, entrance school, a department meeting or any of the other mind-numbing "special programs," some brother, Gary Breau being a regular, will give some talk like this which leads to dozens of young brothers being buried in guilt and confronting their department overseers, tears in their eyes, and spewing their stories about how they feel bad that a pair of underwear arroused them, or that they watched a 30 second anime clip that featured a quick flash of boobs, or that they had a wet dream and weren't completely disgusted by the release, or any other absolutely meaningless story that has no effect on the real world or anyone around them but is now ruining their lives and making them believe that god hates them and the only remedy is to sit and tell these brothers these absolutely granular and bizarre details about a complete non-event. All this does is destroy people's sense of self-worth, embarrass them and possibly their families, and fill Gary Breau's quiver with a whole slew of anecdotes about people's personal lives that he can use to shock, frighten, and embarass the next group with. He and all the other overseers like him are disgusting. I almost feel bad for all of the other elders who have to deal with fallout every time someone like this ignorant fool who thinks he's a real man because he can sit and talk about genitals and what is to be done with them for minutes on end without cracking a smile, decides to open his gob. On top of that, not a single apology is uttered for the fact that these poor guys are so sexually frustrated that they end up resorting to humping a pillow as Lloyd put it. Shame. On. You. Gary! ✌️
Thanks John. I'm having flashbacks to my childhood which was truly horrifying. Its all good, I'm 51 now. Wow! They have morphed into clear bat shit crazy territory. Scary indeed. I believe the JW's are falling apart and I hope I see their ultimate downfall in my lifetime. My nightmares never cease. My memories, I can't erase. But if I can help 1 person escape- its worth it. Take care. Love your videos.🤘🏻👍🏻❤
I’m a born-in JW for almost 38 years. I was disfellowshipped in February 2019. I learned one essential thing: DON’T tell anyone about anything you’re doing, especially the elders!
OMG. Wearing tight pants can do that to you? Here I've been wearing baggy jeans my whole life! Why didn't someone tell me that if I just wore tight pants they would do the work for me and I could be a walking, talking, orgasm machine!!!?! Seriously though, this rebuttal is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you for providing this. Ironically enough, this is the longest I've sat through anything JW related and not gotten antsy and stopped paying attention. Keep up the good work John Cedars! Thank you! Also, my wife ( not a witness ), while she knows a lot about the JWs, their beliefs, etc., she didn't come from it or study it. She sat here and watched the entire 2 hour rebuttal too. She's been watching things like this, and it's done a lot to help her understand why I have so many issues and am so mental all the time. So thank you for providing something like this that even a non-JW can watch to get a better perspective on JW teachings.
Stacy Siivonen that’s what I thought! It made me aroused and put thoughts in my head that I shouldn’t think about. He totally defeated the purpose of that talk, like he shot himself in the foot. 🤦🏾♀️
I remember, years ago, when I was a teenager, I had to do a trial run for a part I had on one of the conventions. I was wearing what I believed to be a modest dress. It was below the knee but there was a two inch slit in the back and they told me I couldn't wear that dress because the slit would cause distraction. I was appalled. The oppression and perfection required. Awful. I also recall when my brother wore a purple suit and he was counseled for it.
How the heck do they know about lap dances if they are so pure? Where in the world did they learn about these and where would any Bethelite go to get a lap dance way out there in the woods? Next they’ll talk about beastiality. The nearest strip joint is a 40 minute drive ( Satin Dolls) the place used for the Sopranos television show (the place really really exists but was called the Bada Bing Club in the show) These leaders are revealing that they have just a little bit too much knowledge about "sexual immorality."
They love the ‘Judical Action’As if they have any real power. I love seeing those bozos in front of a real court like in Australia. They didn’t enjoy that too much, now did they?
For any Witnesses watching this, I would ask you to think long and hard about this. When did morality become exclusively about having an unfulfilled, micro managed love life? An organization that breaks families apart for disagreeing with them in any way, while saying they’re only perfect and make mistakes, an organization that promotes global genocide as a solution to mankind’s problems, an organization that pressures followers to maintain neutrality at any, and sometimes devastating, cost, but themselves were an NGO of the United Nations for years, an organization that claims that they worship an unchanging god while coining the phrase “present truth”, and hiding “former truth”, an organization that allows people to die and even pressures them to rather than have a blood transfusion, and an organization that absolutely fails to protect children from sexual abuse with their horrendous child protection policies, an organization like this has absolutely zero monopoly on morality, and you are so much better off without it. Throw that old pillow away and start living your life free of repression. Life is beautiful now, and the world is our playground. Go explore, you won’t lose yourself, your moral compass is so much better than you give yourself credit for.
So funny that they have a man do the talk for women because I’m sure he can speak from their perspective. Also when they talk about being clean it just creeps me out, so very culty
Well,well,well.This video can only mean one thing. The Governing Body want to govern our bodies. While we sleep. But when you wake up?Run as fast as you can.
Gary sounds like he has had personal experience in strip clubs. The full intricate description of the act as shared by Gary reminds me of Ted Bundy asking the cops to give in detail the crime scenes investigation when he defended himself in court.
"pornography seems to be this thing that keeps the governing body up at night" call me dirty minded, but I burst out laughing at this unintentional innuendo.
1:15:45 "So here we are with pornography, something that's really keeping the governing body awake at night." This caused some truly horrific images of Tony Morris's late night activities to pop into mind.
Right from the start he mentions that we live in a wicked world that actively tries to mold everyone into it's own ways, then he continues with molding everyone into JW's own ways. Perhaps the wickedness is the molding? Something to ponder.
I lost it when I heard the words "Exercising appropriate caution does not mean that you have to be STIFF... and aloof around the opposite sex, married or single" @30:05 The pause after the word 'stiff' is comedy gold
In the past,When I was Catholic: Self Abuse was a MORTAL SIN. Masterbate, cross, the street and get killed by a car= burn in hell🥵💯. Why is it called self abuse? No one I knew back then ever felt abused!!!!!
THIS CANNOT BE FOR REAL!!! You mean to tell me bethelites have to watch this and then they stay there?! This video they have to watch should spark some questions for sure!
It’s sad to think that many witnesses won’t see this as control but rather them helping the flock Regardless, you did a great job with yours Oh no, please don’t take my compliment as flirting....😕
I have a relative who's an "elder". I was indoctrinated and single at the time but one day I was talking to a female friend on the phone, a sister. I hadn't spoken to her in quite some time. At one time we explored the possibility of a relationship but it just wasn't right for either of us. When I called her she told me she'd just found out she had breast cancer. She was devastated and I was shocked but I was trying to encourage her and told her how much I appreciated having met and gotten to know her. I told this "elder" relative that I had talked to her on the phone. First thing out of his GB puppet mouth was "How long were you on the phone with her?" I said, uhh maybe 20 minutes, why? He said, "That could be considered a date." I said, "Your an idiot!"
I’ve seen how this way of thinking is toxic. There was a female talking about rape on the news and she was wearing a low cut shirt. My uncle after a while of watching then said out loud “well can you blame them look at what she’s wearing”. Same thing when I came forward that a brother was physically abusing me and it was statutory rape. My grandmother said “well what did you do to entice him . You know how men are”
Me either! I feel like it will fall apart in about 5 years. There's just waaaay too much information that is easily available and they are trying to cover up too much information that shows that they are a lie from the top, down.
Telltale Between you and John I've learned a lot of morbidly fascinating details about this cult that I've ignored all my life. I was actually led to this through my research into cults to help a friend come up with details for a fictional cult. Thank you both for the insight that is as equally disturbing, if not more so due to the fact they're real, as The Churches of Healing Blood, Dagon & Starry Wisdom. I will be continuing to watch both your channels and be moving onto the Moonies next. Any other Cult(s) you would suggest as an interesting or important research subject(s)?
1:26:30 "Alcohol tends to lower your inhibitions, and can make thoughts that you'd normally suppress or view as repulsive seem acceptable, even inviting." lmao I wonder what suppressed/repulsive thoughts Tony Morris was looking to make seem acceptable with all of those bottles of scotch 👖
Having being brought up surrounded by this culture ( I was never baptised ) I found I couldn’t even watch your rebuttal ... it just makes me so angry that they keep crapping on with this sort of tripe. It’s ignorant and evil things like this that watchtower keeps producing that just reconfirms I did the right thing by questioning everything for over 30 years ... yeah it took me 30 years to work out 100% that they were a cult ... but when your entire family is in on it it’s hard to see the forest for the trees. Love your work Lloyd ... your videos help.
I completely understand as I was raised in a jw family but I always felt something was wrong, not to mention sexual abuse. My mother was actually able to guilt me into doing a bible study. I should back up I am a believer and I talked to God and Jesus everyday aside from prayer. Anyhow once I started my study of course it was pressure to attend meetings n blah blah blah to the point I was so sick of everything I did having to be related to Jehovah I quit talking to and praying to God. I don't know why I allowed myself to be manipulated but thanks to this channel and I was re awoken
"The male animal" there are countless species of animals on this planet! I'd like to meet this infamous "male animal" because as far as I know, male animals all have vastly different traits from each other, some "male animals" are caretakers or visually attractive of the sexes while some "female animals" are the bigger ones and or the hunters. Some animals indeed do have seasons in which they desire sex, so that's just a flat out lie, where on earth did he get this information? Can he please specify which male animal he's referring to?
And there are many animals who got ... well ... killed by the females after sex - or seriously hurt. I think he wants to talk about mammals, since humans are mammals, but .... Then I think about dolphins who learn about Sex from their mothers and have homosexual relationships, where they have actual oral Sex :D Or lesbian Hyenas
In Dallas we have a group of ex JW and ex Mormons. I left after serving WT for 25 years. I have never regretted my decision. Actually my entire family left in one full swoop. The cruelty of the JW cult has caused much pain. Who would not be pained by guilt, fear and manipulation - tools of a cult. If you are ex JW please post a video to tell your story to the world. Millions of us have left over the decades. Do research. Post your story. George
This is more time than they've ever spent on a video admonishing people not to rape children, but now sisters and children have about an equal amount of time being told they shouldn't tempt brothers by their dress or behavior. Hm.
To be very honest, growing up as a JW kid into my mid-teens, I'm now 60, I have always found the modest dress of JW sisters arousing. I'd be screwed at Bethel, hey? Those were the first "skirts" I tried to get into, and many fell away easily, what can I say?
I'm SO glad I got outta this crazy cult! "Who wrote this and what were they on?" Indeed! I watched this twice. It's hard to sit through. Lloyd's commentary is reasonable. Actually, I would find it impossible to watch if not for Lloyd's commentary. This Watchtower presentation is just downright creepy. Seriously, it's taken creepiness to a new low. I didn't see anything this bad 17 years ago when I walked away. They have became weirder and weirder. I predict they will get weirder still as Armageddon continues to NOT show up. People- research Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Rutherford, and the rest of the lineup to this religion. Russell and Rutherford should have disfellowshiped themselves. Actually, I wish this whole crackpot organization would disfellowship itself.
I was a victim of child abuse including sexual abuse and I class all child abuse as evil and pornia. I notice that they have conveniently left this subject out...
Not a witness or ex-jw but my wife is. I started to watch these videos to get some understanding of what she lived through. My first thought was that the GB members were patronizing and speaking to everyone like they are a child. Now however, I think that the GB members are simply incapable of speaking above a 8th grade level. ALL of their books titles are clunky and unnecessarily long. All of the speech titles are the same, poorly put together. Then there is the delivery of said speech....devoid of any affect and using words that are remedial to the core. They aren’t patrionizing! They’re just kind of dumb.
Well, if the pillow didn't dress so immodestly and lay on the bed in a provocative pose, the brother wouldn't have such unclean thoughts!
That beautiful decretive case bedazzled and shining just keeps calling the brothers name!!!
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Olivia Wright - Olivia, laughing at pillow fornication just isn't right! You're encouraging down feather sinning. Next thing the brothers will be cheating on their home pillows with loose, ungodly hotel cushions!
lol right!!
man you guys are hilarious xD
"The Governing Body loves you" That sentence is not creepy at all!
that's what all cult leaders say....
"The Governing Body (LOVES YOUR MONEY) loves you!"
It’s very Orwellian!
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@@ladysuda3807 exactly. Big Brother loves you.
There was an elderly man I liked speaking to when I was around 10. I used to go up to him after meetings and just talk to him. I stopped after my mum said it looked a certain way that I spent so much time with him. It scared me.
Later I was around 15 and I liked speakin to a married guy in his 30s. He was like my best friend in the meetings. I stopped speaking to him after my mum told me people were talking about how it looked that I spoke to him so much. A lot of this is just my mum. And another part of it is the strange atmosphere the jw fosters about people speaking to the opposite sex, even when you're young. And now in my 20s, I find it very hard to befriend men or even hold a conversation with them without thinking I'm sending out signals. And I hold my mother and the organisation to blame.
Ugh talk about it!! My best friend is a male and my dad would literally make me cry over the times I would hang out with him(mind you in large groups right in front of people at parties) just to take me to the car to scorn me and remind me of what people must think. Funny story is I actually tried dating him once because everyone assumed we’d end up together but then I realized I was an aromantic lesbian😂
Same! When i was a teen i made a good friend who was a boy in the congregation. I was made to cut him off and block him completely and we even changed halls (in the same building) to avoid him be ause it looked like
"We where sleeping together or something."
Nope, I’m sorry. A married guy in his 30s has absolutely no business being friends with a 15 year old. That’s just the kind of grooming behavior these people take on, you can see the pattern in almost every congregation.
@@st.commodus1437 to be fair you're right. But that wasn't the issue that people were having with it. They thought it looked wrong not because I was hanging with someone much older but because I was hanging around a married man and mainly men in the congregation really. I was a child and that shouldn't have been the concern. Youre right, they're first thought should have been that its not safe - even though I have to say I don't think the man was inappropriate at all
You’re not doing anything wrong, your mother should be watching her own unclean thoughts.. pfff
Where is warning to watch out if you have sexual thoughts about CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡
That's what they are all about. It is an organization that attracts pedophiles
Yes good question!! I was molested by a forty year old MS when I was thirteen!
there are no children at bethel
@@colbyw.1675 this is what made me 🤔 when they would baptize prisoners then make them elders. Saw it happen more than once.
I don’t even know where to begin... I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and I completely submerged myself in the teachings and explanation of the scriptures. My parents remarried after finding the “Truth”, in order to raise me better. My divorced grandmother married a worldly man on the stipulation that he study and become a witness himself. He agreed and committed himself to the teachings, eventually becoming an elder. My father, a ministerial servant, while being considered for an elder position, was unfaithful to my mother whom he remarried. With four children in attendance, his announcement of disfellowship was humiliating for our family, on top of my grandfather being an elder. This was only the tip of the iceberg for my family’s tribulation. My mother was shortly thereafter disfellowshipped as well, because she knew about my father’s infidelity and had not immediately gone to the elders. So now I was attending meetings with my three siblings, pitied and ostracized... And it doesn’t end there. I was baptized at 16 at an assembly meeting, both parents disfellowshipped, and continued to pioneer, while soaking up any literature and wisdom within this religion. I decided to pursue Bethel because I was determined to bring honor to my stained family and because I truly believed that was my place in Jehovah’s plan. My junior year of high school I had sex with another male and my guilt led me to confide in a family who “adopted” me/ was housing me. I was encouraged to admit my sin to the elders and when I did, they publicly reproved me in front of the congregation that witnessed my parents public disfellowshipping. I had officially let my entire family down. I was no longer an acceptable candidate for Bethel and I was offered no prospect that my unnatural attraction to males could ever be resolved. My family has been torn apart, I haven’t spoken to my father in over 5 years, my mother is a recluse, my grandparents (who I had an outstanding, close relationship with) have denounced me. I’ve never seen anything like this until now and I’m so thankful that there is an intelligent, logical discussion about this cult religion I was so submersed in.
Seriously, the whole point of Jesus' death on the cross was to take on himself our sins in order to make us pure before God. Have the JWs forgotten this?
My heart is with you.
I’m praying for you. No one Should have to go through something like that.
The LGBT community knows all about this sort of stuff, and has many organizations designed to help you through the trauma. If you don't live in a big enough city, go online and learn about what's out there. While the LGBTQ social world has a dark side, like every other social group, there's a wonderful world out there for you to discover. There are plenty of positive role models of people who have built successful, morally grounded, creative and happy lives celebrating their sexual preference.
Oh hun please seek counselling, putting this weight onto you is utterly cruel
I love how they'll use 'judicial action' when it comes to sexting, but not when it comes to rampant child exploitation and molestation... this is an evil cult that needs to be shut down.
Thank goodness Russia at least recognizes them as what they are... not a religion but an extremist mind control cult.
uh oh, my phone only has 69% battery life....
better talk to my Elders.
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ahhh the funny number, i mean, the SACRILIGEOUS number,
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They wouldn't get it. And if they did, it would be perfectly reasonable to ask how they know...
why u are gay?
Honestly, these video clips almost make me feel physically ill. The faces, the words, the tone, the comical arrogance of these guys! Oh how I remember that attitude. I was born into a hardcore JW family, and I’m proud to say that I broke out at the age of 14, in 1980. Yes I am carrying scars but I’ve had a good life.
Ignorance feeds arrogance.
these video's from these condescending men are nausiating, but the specifity they gave exemples of inmoral/unclean actions make me think: "F**** never thought about that, should try it sometime." I really get the impression that last toad was speaking from his own rich experience.
Same, so triggering the way the governing body talk. I feel like I used to hear them talk growing up. I'm not sure if it's the same guys. That condescending, slow, innovative way of talking! It's like a brainwashing method...
And what I just thought of is, how is it appropriate for a married elder to listen to a confession of a sexually explicit story from a woman who isn’t his wife?
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@Valerie Diaz
The elders are perverts!
Exactly.
It's only bad if he humps a pillow while she tells her story
Oh yeah. They asked me details and that felt very wrong to me
So true! They get off on it!
So as a sister in the cong...
...I can't hold a mic
...I can't manage the literature
...I can't LEAD the group
...I'm only qualified to pioneer
YET - I am supposed to be responsible for how a brother reacts to what I wear? I'm expected NOT insight his friggin loins to action and I should be mindful of what dress I come to the hall in? GTFOH...🤣
AV;
You are very beautiful....I just soiled my pillow. I now blame you..lol.
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AV;
If you want to hold a "mic", I will change my name to Mike.
Please hold me....
hello
Well said! I felt the same way!
I've thrown my pillows away. Just in case. What about cushions? My sofa is looking at me right now and I'm... losing control...
sheets as well..
Michael Spengler - Right. I'm throwing anything that isn't made of barbed wire away. My mattress just tried to seduce me too. It's gonna have to go.
Danyael 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
It's perfectly natural. See the educational video Objects of Desire by NSP.
Throw away the walls of your house too. Just in case you get the urge to pin your girlfriend (with consent of course) up against the wall.
I cannot believe I was ever a part of a religion like this. This is awful.
I say the same thing all the time
Dear lord… I’m right with you
Same! I was born and raised. Rebelled for many years then went back and mistakably got baptized and now….here I am.
@@SynFull6988 sounds like me
@@Freeeeeeeee27 I feel so terrible you’re going through the same thing. But at the same time I’m glad I’m not alone.
Flirting is cruel 😂 so basically sounds like he wanted to date someone and she said no
You mean he sounds like an incel?
Personally, I doubt that.
@@carmensavu5122 a guy doesn’t automatically become an incel just because they get rejected
@@midknightmiddleman5887 No, but if from that rejection they conclude that flirting is cruel and blames half the population of the planet for the actions of one or a couple of women, it's a pretty safe bet.
Not cruel. Can be mutual and communicate interest to the other. (Sexual) Teasing is cruel.
What impressed me the most is this "brother" advising sisters to be mindful of how they can affect a man, but he says nothing to the man telling him not to misinterpret affection that is conveyed. Astonishing that this "brother" puts the responsibility on sisters! Ughhhhhh
Love how a sister needs to watch and take on the responsibility of how people get aroused towards her, but he straight up tells the men “of course you are not responsible for how others could get aroused when looking at you.” Victim blaming women at it’s finest!!
the sexual double standard is real in the witnesses
He who among you who is without sin cast the first stone.
My thoughts exactly.
To women: "don't dress provocatively just to get prideful joy out of playing with men's emotions."
To men: "of course, it's not your fault if someone nurtures unclean desires about you."
Looking at clothing rules always provides clear evidence that an organization is misogynist, controlled by men, and centered on men's experience.
And this happens in every congregation. When I was abused and a victim of statutory rape with a brother in a nearby congregation some of my family meme era asked what I did to entice him abusing me. And then the elders when everything came out said after extensive uncomfortable interrogation “he’s admitted he has done wrong and is sorry” he married that elders daughter 6 months later.
@@marvalice3455
100% correct!
WOW. this is so insane. i love it. just keep digging that hole, watchtower
Man, I love your videos and your drawings! 😀
Adonai Hernandez Lloyd can draw?
Luke Giles, Adonai is referring to Telltale. You should check out his channel. I, too, am a fan.
Ken Lackner ah, thank you
Love your videos
"50 shades of bethel"
LOL OMG that is the funniest thing ever! Thank you for making something creepy into being funny.
hahahaha
That comment was hilarious. I can't stop laughing!
@@larrytidwell5955 anti brothels
Broke Back Bethel 🤣
My wife has always had a bigger sex drive than I do ... the whole idea that men want sex more than women is a fairy tale.
Here is one experience I had with a JW elder when I was in the cult. He was my boss so I couldn’t do anything about it. Greasy, fat, grey and black hair, balding, glasses falling down his nose, hairs coming out of his nose and ears, questionable breath, a pig, oh, sorry, pigs, I didn’t mean any disrespect. OK I know, I know, you can’t judge a book by its cover.
I worked in a large automotive parts place, customers out front, parts in the warehouse in the back.
The manager of this department was a JW elder.
I was just newly baptized and trying to follow all those rules, trying to be good, minding my own business.
The elder boss, started to follow me to the back, he’d stand too close, brush imaginary lint off my shoulder, and lightly touch my bare arm. I was horrified and repulsed, and really, there was no none I could go to about this. He was my boss. (My husband never knew anything about this, he’d have harmed his fat ass.)
I had to go to the back all day long and would check furiously over my shoulders, run like hell for the car parts and get back to the front before he caught me back there. Many times he would intercept me.
He got bolder and bolder. He’d tell me how pretty I was, that I had a beautiful body, my hair smelled wonderful, beautiful smile, on it went.
So then I thought I’ll have some fun before I quit my job.
One day when he caught me out back, I leaned way over to get something off a bottom shelf, so he could get a good look at my ass. Next time I reached waaaaay up so my boob touched his arm. Ha,ha, ha, served him right to be jacked up all day long.
I forgot to mention that his wife was a friend of mine. They had five kids as well.
On Sunday mornings he would stand at the pulpit and speak like he was a normal person. Often he would look at me slyly, like we had a secret or something, and I would look away as fast as humanly possible.
One day in the warehouse he asked me if my husband was satisfying me to my liking. I said, Noooooooooo, not reeeeeeeeally, whyyyyyyyyy do you ask? Smiling coyly. Much to my surprise he leaned over and tried to kiss me. I pulled back and said, No, no nooooooooooo, waggling my finger, not here. He asked, WHERE! WHEN! WHEN!!!!! I sashayed off.
Quit my job, kicked that cult to the curb. Wasted five years of my life.
And then there was the window washer Dub elder who would just stare and stare at me. Creeped me out.
What a pile of uneducated, non thinking, sheep following, suppressed, frightened, wife beating, controlled bunch of fornicators.
Now tell me, how does this creepy dude know ANYTHING about doing stuff with animals, and LAP DANCING!!! How does he know about that? Obviously he’s been to the strip bars and to the barn. Another pig. Sorry pigs.
Wow only 4yrs late to read your story. Not surprised. I've heard the same also a few times now.
Do as I say, not as I do. What an utter creep your elder boss was. His poor wife n kids. I had to tell a jw relative to never touch me like that again. The first time I was just shocked, had no words. I was about 16. The 2ndctime I raised my voice n said, never touch me like that again. They never did. But it took me a no of yrs in his company to feel safe. It still gives me nightmares sometimes bc how far was he willing to take it if I had froze the 2nd time also.
My breasts are quite large. It was always a struggle to dress for the meetings. Any bit of cleavage was an issue. I’m gone now and I don’t have to worry about it anymore. #safetypins
Lol 😂😂😂
If breasts were n ot required to be covered at all times the ridiculous mystic would dissappear
Breasts sre for feeding babies. Go to Europe where public breast feeding and top-free beaches are no issue America is repressed by all Religions.
@@kathyheitchue2022 Sounds about right. I was overseas and I was at a multi-national camp, so, I went to the German shoppe and picked up a newspaper. As I skimmed through it I saw an ad for women's underwear (panties). Low and behold, that's all she was wearing, no bra....boobies out. lol Goes to show you, there are things that are indecent are just a matter of someones point of view or culture. Typically in the US, we tend to shun even the natural things (breast feeding and some nip showed) that in other parts of the world its like....yeah, she's breastfeeding....so what? Mind you, I could care less. As long as you are not hurting, its whatever to me.
@@kathyheitchue2022 "Breasts are for feeding babies"
yes, but they are also for sex. we are by nature sexual beings, and it is not just breasts that have a secondary roll in sex, and them not being taboo in certain cultures does not make them less baseline arousing. I'm not saying female chests being taboo is good, I just think you are over playing your hand with this argument.
Single sister to married brother, “hey brother nice haircut” BANG DISFELLOWSHIPPED
John Pange ffs 😂😂😂 it's not funny. But things are getting ridiculous now
John Pange How about an elder/special pioneer ( in his fifties and never married) saying on the platform when a young brother answers “ I like your hair cut” in front of the whole congregation!!! But that’s ok because he’s a special pioneer! And not to mention how many times I’ve seen him talk to young brothers and asking them for their phone numbers when they would visit our hall. Even doing street witnessing when we would see Spanish young brothers doing the same he would stop to talk to them and ask them for their phone number!
Because he knows that I know he’s a homosexual he slandered me. I was marked and kicked out of the Kingdom Hall. He is a textbook covert narcissist.
Don't you think it is the bang between the compliment and the disfellowshipping that is the main 'unfairness'... er I mean problem, those incharge have?
"Do YoU GuYs HaVe AnY InTeNtIoNs!!!!!?????"
Elzevier Javier Garcia Your talk is disgusting.
Where is this underwear he’s talking about and is it on amazon
Yeah, I wanna buy a pair of those pants. I need to find out where they do their shopping! Ha!
LOL you can order it through the Mormon church.
I laughed so hard
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Magic underwear and magic beads. (Always beware the priest with the chipped teeth) Ouch
From Geogre Orwell's 1984:
“How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?“
Winston thought. “By making him suffer”, he said.
“Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy - everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Just wow! I’m 45 years old. I was raised in “the truth”, gave my letter of disassociation in 2016. I had been going to the KH since I was 5, baptized at 14. I had nightmares up until 2016. The very first day that I mailed that letter, the nightmares stopped. And they were real bad nightmares. Anyway been watching your videos and wanted to say thanks. The amount of mind and life control that they have on people is creepy. I’m so glad that I’m out of there. Thanks again.
Just out of curiosity, why does any jw feel that a letter of resignation is necessary…?
The witchtower deserves no such consideration in view of what’s been revealed about it, and the damage it’s done to many thousands, and too many abuses to even begin listing in this post…
I’m not criticizing, just wondering
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@@juliapowell5900
What?
@@juliapowell5900
Again, what?
My childhood pillow was disfellowshipped multiple times , I was only reproved. Unlike my pillow I repented.
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I am so confused on how flirting is cruel and a form of lying. I can’t even wrap my mind around that.
Tylin Bree so is everybody who watches Watchtower fake news.
That’s easy... not enough women flirt with the old men on the GB.
Welcome to the ever confused club my lady 🤷🏾♂️😕
I was raised a JW, only recently got out. So I understand exactly what they’re saying it just doesn’t make any sense, like everything else they say! 🙄
Tylin Bree thank goodness you got away. I fortunately was able to escape once I made 18 although I only had one believing parent (mother) I felt miserable every meeting day knowing I couldn’t partake in anything after school whether it be friends coming by my house which was forbidden or me going to hang with them and of course a big fat no to extracurricular activities. My mother likely rob me of a basketball career
This channel has been the biggest part of my awakening.. although I've sadly lost many family and friends, I can confidently say that nothing can be compared to the feeling of being free from this cult... It took me two whole years to finally to exit ! Thanks Lloyd.. I encourage all the young ones like myself, who are starting to doubt this religion to keep researching and use their critical thinking skills !
Well done James, all the power of love of our Lord Jesus be with you, Punta Cana; Dominican Rep
Critical thinking aka free thinking - what a concept! ;) Congrats on your freedom!
My parents are kicking me out and my apostasy Judicial Committee trial is next week. Wish me luck guys ...
Stephen Dexter Goodluck bro... make sure you watch Lloyd's video that talks about tips for leaving the Jw faith. He's got some really good tips on there. I think being disfellowshipped and losing everyone is too much for me. So I'm going to just slowly fade away and be classed as "inactive" for a while so that I can stay in touch with my mum and sisters.. Stay strong in your journey to freedom bro💪🏾
Last year when I announced to my parents that I love them very much but I don't think I can continue with this religion, they kicked me out too and later got shunned by everyone for being. Disfellowshipped.. I understand the struggle you're going through, but just know that In time you will heal and there are millions of people out there that can show you unconditional Love regardless of your faith. I can without doubt say leaving was the best decision I've ever made. Go out and make new friends and enjoy your freedom to the fullest!
Go with a pillow....ha ha ha,,, best of times to you
Stephen Dexter Wow, Good Luck Bro! I may be faced with the same after 25 years as I just had it out with an elder over the JW pervasive pedophilia issue and the video leaks. I'm using Trey Bundy's articles and telling the Elders the "leakers" are active JW's still in good standing now simply aware of what's going on behind the scenes, not the elders idea of "Apostates". And use Howie Rutledge Tran's experience as a Bethel Elder and GB Helper to Karl Klein in reading and discovering BETHEL'S OWN APOSTATE LIBRARY next to Gene Smalley's office in the Writing Department. Not to mention the redacted internal JW child abuse database they're getting fined $4,000 a day in California paid for by the "Worldwide Work" contributions. They need a wake up call to point to the REAL problems if they're pointing fingers at you and do not let them use the BITE and FOGS models in the meeting trying to control the conversation hearing. Best to you,
Dave in Wisconsin, USA via Chicago
Call me.
916-470. -5350
The ending where he tells brothers to confess to wrongdoing is laughable. Obviously they just want more raunchy stories of misconduct to add to their endless repertoire of oddly specific sexual situations.
When i was 17 they did a Judicial meeting. I was alone, my mother was not a JW at that time.I was also a pioneer. I met with them because they were under the impression that I was sexually active and they were questioning me. Asking me questions if I was ever sexually abused if I had blood or not. I am still traumatized today day I suffer from PTSD. Because they didn't believe me . I appealed that decision and that was even worse 6 Elders met with me. I will love to share my story. I am still being percussion from JW.
I was constantly felt I was wrong. As an attractive young woman, I received so much unwanted & uninitiated attention from men in the org, young and old. I was “wrong” if I was dismissive because I was rude, I was wrong if I entertained the attention because I was flirting. It made me hate my body and abuse my body with eating disorders my whole life!
It's so therapeutic watching this. Because we can all laugh together about how absolutely ridiculous this all is! Thank you for your rebuttal!
Drinking game - drink a shot every time you hear the word "genitals".
Hearing the descriptive definitions of masturbation drove me to alcohol poisoning
No thanks, don't wanna turn gay, no skinny automasterbating skinny jeans for this dude either.
I didn’t physically cringe once.
What do I win?
i know if he said genitals one more time....i was going to scream into a "PILLOW"
Bethany, don't do it; dying of alcohol poisoning because of these idiots isn't worth it.
As a gay man, their views on "Self-abuse" made me feel like I directly caused my own gayness.
I was suicidal at one point in my life.
I wonder how many other JW boys and men didn't survive.
The GB has blood on its hands.
thank you for your information
the religious attitudes to homosexuals is one of the things i find most abhorrent in religion
@@Mabeylater293 Thank you for your comment. I have prayed to Jehovah since I was seven years old to make me straight, I have attempted suicide 3 times causing minor brain and stomach damage and I am diagnosed bi-polar, obsessive compulsive and have had severe anxiety since I was small. I dissassociated just a few months ago because I could not take it anymore. I stopped masturbating because of the society's advice and only then did I end up committing fornication which I was privately reproved for because the elders all loved me because of my willingness to help and my love for Jehovah. I still feel guilty when I masturbate and I still struggle with Armageddon nightmares and my sexuality. Your comment lifts a great burden off my shoulders. Thank you. I'm tired of the constant guilt and not having control over my own life, I'm so glad I left in my late 30s as opposed to wasting so many more decades of my life.
AvivaAllegro you are totally the blame man😂😂😂
AvivaAllegro stay strong buddy
I always wanted to know why God gave us these desires then kill us for reacting to desires created in us
Right? If you want people to have Sex only after marriage, so make them able to only have desires and orgasms after marriage. 🙄
I used to ask my parents this same thing for so long. They would always go back to the “ free will” concept, yet if you exercise this “free will” you get your family taken away and friends. So is it really free will ?🤔 .... no
That's why their creation myth describes a garden with trees that tempt but the fruit couldn't be eaten. God is a teaser.
Exactly. He’s only given credit for the things that are convenient to the gb.
Concupiscence of human fallen nature. Had humans not disobeyed God, they would not be prone to sin.
There is a high percentage of “pray the gay away” situations that end in suicide, very sad.
I was almost one of those cases:/
@@ooin_otaku4282 glad you're here
@@ooin_otaku4282 im glad you stuck around!! you’re very strong
Jonathan Hargreaves, a ministerial servant in Bolton, UK was obviously gay. We younger folk recognised it but the elders didn't. He came out and was disfellowshipped ( funny but auto correct, doesn't know that word!) His younger brother, David, was name called and made to feel bad by his peers he committed suicide. I blame the society. My dad is still an elder and rants about the false Muslim religion surrounding him. Nutters, all. Peace guys and girls ❤️
What does a bethelite's pillow and a submarine have in common?
Both are full of seamen. Hayooooo!
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Boom!
Good grief... 😂
Haha!
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I wish I was able to come out at the age of 20. I was 32 when I finally did so. Couldn't be happier.
When I was in my 20's in the WT Org. People used to tell me " you should go to Bethel, it's such a great experience". Now I'm glad I never did!
I disagree! I rekon there wouldve been fucking going on everywhere!
Me too
I was going to try. I'm glad I didn't too
As a young sister in the 70's we were bereated about our skirt lenght. We may entice a wrong emotion from a brother. Nothing changes. Making being human a sin.
SELF ABUSE?! I find it very NONABUSIVE!
Can't say "Pleasuring Yourself" cause that sounds fun.
Self Abuse sounds so much darker! SMDH! What-Eva!
Yeah, self abuse sounds like slashing wrists or something. self pleasure feels good - I'm sorry it does.
Can't help but wonder who is under his desk while he is speaking .
@@Auntiefeliciaofficial Yeah, if it's self-abuse, you're doing it wrong.
Just showed parts of this to my non Witness husband and he lol. He couldn’t believe it. The WT has gone completely insane. How there are still people inside this cult today is mind boggling?
I can't imagine having sent my son's to bethal only to have their young minds filled with this raunchy crap..
Just found your channel! And watching your latest video rn :)
Abort. Abort. Get your son out. Danger.
Hey I'm 19 male living In the US ex jw just want to talk to somebody about this
Growing up as a JW has essentially left me very isolated, struggling just to survive. The numerous types of abuse brought on by this organization has left me very scarred. Figuratively and literally.
I totally understand
Sometimes I feel bad for leaving and then I watch stuff like this and I’m like oh nevermind lmao 😂
Lol I'm going through that. I'm still ridden with guilt tho and I feel so defeated
@@nickyannajones just remember that healing is not linear. They programmed us to feel this way it’s like second nature. But I promise that one day you’ll feel better. Continue to build a life outside, do not feel discouraged by set backs. Setbacks are a normal part of life and not an indication that “Things are worse on the outside”. When we go through things we have to get up and keep going, not for a religion but for ourselves.
I just want to say. I have been watching many of your videos recently and I appreciate you so much. I started watching your Chanel when I was 20. I am a disfellowshipped 22 year old. I was disfellowshipped at 19. It’s been difficult seeing brothers and sisters in my hometown make eye contact with me and quickly look to the floor. The points you bring out and or expose in many of your videos are wonderful. I was a regular pioneer and really wanted to go to bethel. And now I can’t even imagine sitting through this information anymore. Thank you for your voice and your platform.
Thanks! I'm so glad you find the videos helpful! :)
I read a bit of the regulations to my non-witness partner and he said one of the GB must be a closet homosexual who is worried of getting turned on by seeing other men in "provocative" or tight clothing, there's no other explanation for their obsession with gay men "blending in"...
Can you imagine Steven Lett giving this talk?. 😱
Nat G that would be hilarious. I would lose my shit.
LOL you might as well include Kermit the frog and Miss Piggy.
So really, this joker isn't a wanker?
They might as well get Mr Rodgers to give their talks.
Steven lett is comedy gold.
I totally understand why John cannot post the video without interludes of commentary, but here are the timecodes of the actual video if you want to jump straight to them:
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Daniel Finkbeiner thank you so much for this breakdown!
Daniel Finkbeiner and thank you for this. I need to cut and edit it and then send the video like “look at this encouraging talk!” To the elderly sisters in my hall lol!
Not once when I hit puberty did I EVER think "well that's it I want to go get pregnant now" "my sexual juices are on fire!!!" 😂😂🤩
Gary Breaux was the guy who appointed me as an elder. I worked with him in field service. Just in case you are wondering, yes he is that creepy in real life. I asked him why they ask about child abuse when you are asked if you can serve as an elder, he told me “to make sure we’re not putting ourselves in legal issues”. Chairman of the Service Dept. folks. Not worried about their actually being kiddie diddlers, nope. He’s worried about legal issues. I wish I was “woken up” then.
Wow! So sad and disappointing. I’m glad you shared this story. 💙
Holy crap I'm glad I'm gone I'm glad I'm gone I'm glad I'm gone
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This is really helping me get over my religious based PTSD.
In 1973 when my father was still in Brooklyn 8 bethelites were kicked out for being gay. Nathan Knorr was furious. Gilead graduation was two weeks after this. Knorr took his anger out on the crowd. My mom was dating my dad at the time and she and the entire audience who were not at bethel had no clue what was going on. There have been gay men at bethel since it was founded. And there is nothing wrong with it! I have been married for over 20 years and since I left the borg I have no anger against gays! This is such a cult!
The reason they end up making a video like this is because, from time to time, during morning worship, family watchtower study, entrance school, a department meeting or any of the other mind-numbing "special programs," some brother, Gary Breau being a regular, will give some talk like this which leads to dozens of young brothers being buried in guilt and confronting their department overseers, tears in their eyes, and spewing their stories about how they feel bad that a pair of underwear arroused them, or that they watched a 30 second anime clip that featured a quick flash of boobs, or that they had a wet dream and weren't completely disgusted by the release, or any other absolutely meaningless story that has no effect on the real world or anyone around them but is now ruining their lives and making them believe that god hates them and the only remedy is to sit and tell these brothers these absolutely granular and bizarre details about a complete non-event. All this does is destroy people's sense of self-worth, embarrass them and possibly their families, and fill Gary Breau's quiver with a whole slew of anecdotes about people's personal lives that he can use to shock, frighten, and embarass the next group with. He and all the other overseers like him are disgusting. I almost feel bad for all of the other elders who have to deal with fallout every time someone like this ignorant fool who thinks he's a real man because he can sit and talk about genitals and what is to be done with them for minutes on end without cracking a smile, decides to open his gob. On top of that, not a single apology is uttered for the fact that these poor guys are so sexually frustrated that they end up resorting to humping a pillow as Lloyd put it. Shame. On. You. Gary! ✌️
Thanks John. I'm having flashbacks to my childhood which was truly horrifying. Its all good, I'm 51 now. Wow! They have morphed into clear bat shit crazy territory. Scary indeed. I believe the JW's are falling apart and I hope I see their ultimate downfall in my lifetime. My nightmares never cease. My memories, I can't erase. But if I can help 1 person escape- its worth it. Take care. Love your videos.🤘🏻👍🏻❤
I’m a born-in JW for almost 38 years. I was disfellowshipped in February 2019. I learned one essential thing: DON’T tell anyone about anything you’re doing, especially the elders!
OMG. Wearing tight pants can do that to you? Here I've been wearing baggy jeans my whole life! Why didn't someone tell me that if I just wore tight pants they would do the work for me and I could be a walking, talking, orgasm machine!!!?!
Seriously though, this rebuttal is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you for providing this. Ironically enough, this is the longest I've sat through anything JW related and not gotten antsy and stopped paying attention. Keep up the good work John Cedars! Thank you!
Also, my wife ( not a witness ), while she knows a lot about the JWs, their beliefs, etc., she didn't come from it or study it. She sat here and watched the entire 2 hour rebuttal too. She's been watching things like this, and it's done a lot to help her understand why I have so many issues and am so mental all the time. So thank you for providing something like this that even a non-JW can watch to get a better perspective on JW teachings.
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LOLOLOL! Not machine, "animal"
I think his talk is pornographic.
Woah, they need more of these talks! Brother Chippendale!
Turning me on
Stacy Siivonen that’s what I thought! It made me aroused and put thoughts in my head that I shouldn’t think about. He totally defeated the purpose of that talk, like he shot himself in the foot. 🤦🏾♀️
This Religion has No Shame for all the damages they have done to people's lives; Their days are coming!!
Me: "Can't get more cringe than the first guy."
Second JW: "Tight pants make you look gay."
Me: "Holy F*ck!"
But wait! There's more!! 🤣😅
I remember, years ago, when I was a teenager, I had to do a trial run for a part I had on one of the conventions. I was wearing what I believed to be a modest dress. It was below the knee but there was a two inch slit in the back and they told me I couldn't wear that dress because the slit would cause distraction. I was appalled. The oppression and perfection required. Awful. I also recall when my brother wore a purple suit and he was counseled for it.
These people would be offended if you were revealing your toes
How the heck do they know about lap dances if they are so pure? Where in the world did they learn about these and where would any Bethelite go to get a lap dance way out there in the woods? Next they’ll talk about beastiality. The nearest strip joint is a 40 minute drive ( Satin Dolls) the place used for the Sopranos television show (the place really really exists but was called the Bada Bing Club in the show) These leaders are revealing that they have just a little bit too much knowledge about "sexual immorality."
They think that lap dances are performed by Laplanders in northern Europe.
If I self abuse myself, and there is no two witnesses, should I report myself to the elders?
T S 😂😂😂😂
Well the elders will be ok with you masterbating in front of them as long as no touching is involved.
T S May as well do it with both hands and call it a Threesome!
BodybuildingPassion Wick LOL!! Good call! Might as well go at it with gusto!
They love the ‘Judical Action’As if they have any real power. I love seeing those bozos in front of a real court like in Australia. They didn’t enjoy that too much, now did they?
blitzblutz
They don't like the shoe to be on the other foot.
wait til they face their judgement from Yahshua.
These bethelworkers sacrifice their career, education and work for free to only be malignantly micromanaged by these delusional goons?
For any Witnesses watching this, I would ask you to think long and hard about this. When did morality become exclusively about having an unfulfilled, micro managed love life? An organization that breaks families apart for disagreeing with them in any way, while saying they’re only perfect and make mistakes, an organization that promotes global genocide as a solution to mankind’s problems, an organization that pressures followers to maintain neutrality at any, and sometimes devastating, cost, but themselves were an NGO of the United Nations for years, an organization that claims that they worship an unchanging god while coining the phrase “present truth”, and hiding “former truth”, an organization that allows people to die and even pressures them to rather than have a blood transfusion, and an organization that absolutely fails to protect children from sexual abuse with their horrendous child protection policies, an organization like this has absolutely zero monopoly on morality, and you are so much better off without it. Throw that old pillow away and start living your life free of repression. Life is beautiful now, and the world is our playground. Go explore, you won’t lose yourself, your moral compass is so much better than you give yourself credit for.
Amen!
So funny that they have a man do the talk for women because I’m sure he can speak from their perspective. Also when they talk about being clean it just creeps me out, so very culty
Well,well,well.This video can only mean one thing.
The Governing Body want to govern our bodies.
While we sleep.
But when you wake up?Run as fast as you can.
Gary sounds like he has had personal experience in strip clubs. The full intricate description of the act as shared by Gary reminds me of Ted Bundy asking the cops to give in detail the crime scenes investigation when he defended himself in court.
"So, here we are again with pornography, which seems to be something that is really keeping the governing body awake at night." - John Cedars
Up next, America’s favorite new game show “Is it Pornea?” With your host, Gary Breaux!
pizzasmithdude so true
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Dying
Omg 💀 💀 💀😂😂😂😂 this is an SNL skit
What's with Governing Body members and their "helpers" wearing French cuffs and pinky rings? 🤔
Pinky rings are Masonic
Can you make a video on how they veiw depression, anxiety n suicide ? I find how they veiw it to be upsetting.
"pornography seems to be this thing that keeps the governing body up at night" call me dirty minded, but I burst out laughing at this unintentional innuendo.
1:15:45 "So here we are with pornography, something that's really keeping the governing body awake at night." This caused some truly horrific images of Tony Morris's late night activities to pop into mind.
One word: g-string.
Right from the start he mentions that we live in a wicked world that actively tries to mold everyone into it's own ways, then he continues with molding everyone into JW's own ways. Perhaps the wickedness is the molding? Something to ponder.
I lost it when I heard the words "Exercising appropriate caution does not mean that you have to be STIFF... and aloof around the opposite sex, married or single" @30:05
The pause after the word 'stiff' is comedy gold
1:33 "we live in a wicked world that actively tries to mold everyone into its ways". What an ironic statement!
What if the wet dream occurred because of reading the Song of Solomon before bed? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
See, this is why you're not supposed to read the bible by yourself! Shame on you!
Checkmate, Watchtower.
I get super hard reading the song of solomon
they even answered that one. it is okay and normal BUT if you was having sexual bad thought before you went to sleep, now it is bad. bad bad
Never needed porn to self abuse. My mind works amazingly. Lol
@wait wot lol reason and jws don't really mix well
In the past,When I was Catholic: Self Abuse was a MORTAL SIN. Masterbate, cross, the street and get killed by a car= burn in hell🥵💯. Why is it called self abuse? No one I knew back then ever felt abused!!!!!
Women,always are mentioned secon,d even though all are first female @,the time of conception.Women then men
'Flirting is cruel and DANGEROUS!!!!" OMG, these WT videos are giving me the best laughs I've had in years.
No pillows are safe in that building!
THIS CANNOT BE FOR REAL!!! You mean to tell me bethelites have to watch this and then they stay there?! This video they have to watch should spark some questions for sure!
I blame the "pillhoes". They were practically begging for it.
jason wade what did they expect, showing their corners out of their cases? If they just covered up this could have been avoided 😂😂😂😂😂
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I'm f'ing dying right now 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That pained look that comes over their faces (no pun intended) when they tell you, "The Governing Body loves you..."
It’s sad to think that many witnesses won’t see this as control but rather them helping the flock
Regardless, you did a great job with yours
Oh no, please don’t take my compliment as flirting....😕
good point, they are so screwed
I have a relative who's an "elder". I was indoctrinated and single at the time but one day I was talking to a female friend on the phone, a sister. I hadn't spoken to her in quite some time. At one time we explored the possibility of a relationship but it just wasn't right for either of us. When I called her she told me she'd just found out she had breast cancer. She was devastated and I was shocked but I was trying to encourage her and told her how much I appreciated having met and gotten to know her. I told this "elder" relative that I had talked to her on the phone. First thing out of his GB puppet mouth was "How long were you on the phone with her?" I said, uhh maybe 20 minutes, why? He said, "That could be considered a date." I said, "Your an idiot!"
OMG.. wow@@gbnomore3918
I'd rather watch the "birds and the bees" video from middle school a thousand times instead of being forced to watch the Pillowgate
I’ve seen how this way of thinking is toxic. There was a female talking about rape on the news and she was wearing a low cut shirt. My uncle after a while of watching then said out loud “well can you blame them look at what she’s wearing”. Same thing when I came forward that a brother was physically abusing me and it was statutory rape. My grandmother said “well what did you do to entice him . You know how men are”
I love how all of these bible verses have absolutely nothing to do with they're talking about xD Neither in context or logical interpretation hahaha!
Love your vids. I don't understand how this cult has survived this long, especially in the age of the internet. Hopefully, not much longer.
Me either! I feel like it will fall apart in about 5 years. There's just waaaay too much information that is easily available and they are trying to cover up too much information that shows that they are a lie from the top, down.
fantastic
Telltale Between you and John I've learned a lot of morbidly fascinating details about this cult that I've ignored all my life.
I was actually led to this through my research into cults to help a friend come up with details for a fictional cult. Thank you both for the insight that is as equally disturbing, if not more so due to the fact they're real, as The Churches of Healing Blood, Dagon & Starry Wisdom. I will be continuing to watch both your channels and be moving onto the Moonies next.
Any other Cult(s) you would suggest as an interesting or important research subject(s)?
George Shepard Have you searched mormonstories with John Dehlin, scientology with Christ Sheldon ?
Alicia Montero I will be on my next day off now. Thanks for the lead!
No wonder the MyPillow guy is so happy all the time! I wish I had a pillow that would give me a wet dream every night. I'd never leave house!
1:26:30 "Alcohol tends to lower your inhibitions, and can make thoughts that you'd normally suppress or view as repulsive seem acceptable, even inviting." lmao I wonder what suppressed/repulsive thoughts Tony Morris was looking to make seem acceptable with all of those bottles of scotch 👖
Gary Breaux looks like the poster-child for older men on Grindr's "discrete" tribe...
William Wade... Gary looks like he has gay tendencies
Having being brought up surrounded by this culture ( I was never baptised ) I found I couldn’t even watch your rebuttal ... it just makes me so angry that they keep crapping on with this sort of tripe. It’s ignorant and evil things like this that watchtower keeps producing that just reconfirms I did the right thing by questioning everything for over 30 years ... yeah it took me 30 years to work out 100% that they were a cult ... but when your entire family is in on it it’s hard to see the forest for the trees. Love your work Lloyd ... your videos help.
I completely understand as I was raised in a jw family but I always felt something was wrong, not to mention sexual abuse. My mother was actually able to guilt me into doing a bible study. I should back up I am a believer and I talked to God and Jesus everyday aside from prayer. Anyhow once I started my study of course it was pressure to attend meetings n blah blah blah to the point I was so sick of everything I did having to be related to Jehovah I quit talking to and praying to God. I don't know why I allowed myself to be manipulated but thanks to this channel and I was re awoken
Alternative title:
Micromanaging your Life: Too Much Information edition
"The male animal" there are countless species of animals on this planet! I'd like to meet this infamous "male animal" because as far as I know, male animals all have vastly different traits from each other, some "male animals" are caretakers or visually attractive of the sexes while some "female animals" are the bigger ones and or the hunters. Some animals indeed do have seasons in which they desire sex, so that's just a flat out lie, where on earth did he get this information? Can he please specify which male animal he's referring to?
And there are many animals who got ... well ... killed by the females after sex - or seriously hurt.
I think he wants to talk about mammals, since humans are mammals, but .... Then I think about dolphins who learn about Sex from their mothers and have homosexual relationships, where they have actual oral Sex :D Or lesbian Hyenas
I would also like to say monkeys and dolphins masterbate
In Dallas we have a group of ex JW and ex Mormons. I left after serving WT for 25 years. I have never regretted my decision. Actually my entire family left in one full swoop. The cruelty of the JW cult has caused much pain. Who would not be pained by guilt, fear and manipulation - tools of a cult. If you are ex JW please post a video to tell your story to the world. Millions of us have left over the decades. Do research. Post your story. George
This is more time than they've ever spent on a video admonishing people not to rape children, but now sisters and children have about an equal amount of time being told they shouldn't tempt brothers by their dress or behavior. Hm.
To be very honest, growing up as a JW kid into my mid-teens, I'm now 60, I have always found the modest dress of JW sisters arousing. I'd be screwed at Bethel, hey? Those were the first "skirts" I tried to get into, and many fell away easily, what can I say?
Are you bragging?
chanetra0918 that’s what I was thinking too. It honestly gave me a chuckle.
AAAAhhhhhh..... the "sexy JW look".... always a favorite!
I'm SO glad I got outta this crazy cult! "Who wrote this and what were they on?" Indeed!
I watched this twice. It's hard to sit through. Lloyd's commentary is reasonable. Actually, I would find it impossible to watch if not for Lloyd's commentary. This Watchtower presentation is just downright creepy. Seriously, it's taken creepiness to a new low. I didn't see anything this bad 17 years ago when I walked away. They have became weirder and weirder. I predict they will get weirder still as Armageddon continues to NOT show up. People- research Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Rutherford, and the rest of the lineup to this religion. Russell and Rutherford should have disfellowshiped themselves. Actually, I wish this whole crackpot organization would disfellowship itself.
I was a victim of child abuse including sexual abuse and I class all child abuse as evil and pornia. I notice that they have conveniently left this subject out...
Not a witness or ex-jw but my wife is. I started to watch these videos to get some understanding of what she lived through. My first thought was that the GB members were patronizing and speaking to everyone like they are a child. Now however, I think that the GB members are simply incapable of speaking above a 8th grade level. ALL of their books titles are clunky and unnecessarily long. All of the speech titles are the same, poorly put together. Then there is the delivery of said speech....devoid of any affect and using words that are remedial to the core. They aren’t patrionizing! They’re just kind of dumb.