10 Contradictions in Jehovah's Witness Teachings
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- (Cedars' vlog no. 343) Jehovah's Witnesses are deeply proud of their beliefs, claiming them to be Bible-based. But are they internally consistent and in harmony with science? In this video, I list 10 clear contradictions in the religion's teachings.
Timestamps:
10 - 01:10 Christmas and piñatas
09 - 06:52 Evolution and Noah's Ark
08 - 13:20 Anointed may be mentally imbalanced
07 - 16:02 God cannot lie but approves "theocratic warfare" & "new light"
06 - 22:57 Miracles v. "Jehovah's hand"
05 - 28:27 "Free will" v. threats of destruction
04 - 32:15 Infant baptism v. child baptism
03 - 39:00 Dissuade higher education (but happy to benefit from it)
02 - 42:17 Shunning and the "prodigal son"
01 - 47:37 The blood prohibition, leukocytes, and Saul's men
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Hey John! I’m a 16 yr old bro from the UK, and ur videos have helped me wake up; and my whole family. I listen to your JW broadcasting videos when I’m playing video games, they’ve helped me undo my JW upbringing. Thank you so much!
That's wonderful to hear! Congratulations! :)
Well done mate, hope you and your kin have a smooth transition. He's helped me and a lot of others I know with leaving "The Truth" too. Also it's great that you've managed to wake up while you're still young, you've now got a chance to experience your teenage years without the shackles of the society. Again, really well done dude. Make something of yourself now that you have the chance to
👏👏👏👏 Well done! Cheers to a whole life out of prison of mind!
Mashinmaindo start making videos how you woke up with your family.
satan win again
As someone born into the truth and raised by an elder I remember all of the times we had to "take a stand for Jehovah". Not saying cheers, not clinking glasses, not putting a tree in the house, no piercings/tattoos, my ex-husband being brought into the back room by elders and told to shave his beard off...(which he did). No ankle braclets (I really wanted one)... And now... Now PINATAS are okay?! Why I oughta!
@@kevinwarren1576 Yes, you are correct. Fo sho. Sounds like your mom is a really good person and I'm glad she kept y'all safe!
I was thinking similar thoughts during the piñata part! Wft! The hypocrisy of it just smacks you in the face.
I know old habits can be hard to break, but please don’t call it “the truth.” It’s anything but.
@@kosmicken I did think that when writing but no, that's what they told me it was, that's what I grew up in, the truth that was a lie.
@@kosmicken also you don't get to dictate what people call the cult they grew up in (especially if it's the name they actually used) just something to keep in mind ;)
I knew a 5 year old who was baptized as soon as he learned to read- even when I was fully indoctrinated I thought it was bizarre- he was a regular pioneer before he was in grade school...
You should’ve seen the householder’s faces when this lil baby was giving bible presentations at their doors. He was a clever kid, to be sure, but it made me very uncomfortable to be at a door, standing silently behind this little child preacher while the householder just stares at me like, “Is this for real?”
I always wonder how he is today- he’s an adult by now... I can’t imagine what his childhood could’ve been like.
Damn I hope he didn’t turn out weird
Trust me, I was forced to do crap like that. My childhood was barely tolerable.
God forbid we ended up at the door of a classmate or kid I knew from the neighborhood. My sisters and I were teased constantly.
NOT good for a kid.
@@jonathanrayne that was my childhood as well. I left@17, but came back in 13
@@jonathanrayne yes I wasn't baptized as a youth, but I did in 16. Birthdays holidays, getting drunk all overrated
Non si è mai sentito che quando i discepoli di Gesù predicavano cerano bambini che predicavano. Nel libro di Ecclesiastiche troviamo :che ce un tempo per ogni cosa . I BAMBINI DEVONO VIVERE LA VITA DA BAMBINI ,NON SERVIRE LA WATCHTOWER AMERICANA, IPOCRITI IMPOSTORI BUGIARDI MANIPOLATORI DI TUTTI E DI TUTTO. DA L'ITALIA SALUTI E BUONA VITA A TUTTI SECONDO I VOSTRI DESIDERI.
Here's yet another contradiction: JW's say that even though the faithful slave is guided by holy spirit they can still make mistakes because they are still imperfect. Well by that logic the bible can also make mistakes. After all the bible writers were also guided by the holy spirit and they were imperfect also
Most jw I talked to, my family included, are of faith that writers were like a pen, a tool used by good
That's true not even Jesus claimed to be perfect. He said only the father is good. And I say it again go see the qualities of love 1 Cor 13. Since God is Love.
@@MAJ-qy3gm jesus never said it himself but i think it is in the bible please if i am wrong on that tell me and as far as god being love have you read the old testament?
@@O5AXD OMG! Imagine being so indoctrinated by this ideology, that you don't even realize that divine _inspiration_ doesn't mean divine _dictation_ ...
@@O5AXDGod?
Wow Lloyd. Very interesting some things I never thought of. While I have been out for 12 years there are still things I believed and you are helping me more and more to see that the thing I believed are just not true and guided by men. Thanks for what you do. I wish I could get my family to see this I miss them!
good for you!!!!!
Are you religious or atheist
@@Kree-gr5gs as of right now I would consider myself an agnostic atheist. The comment I made was 3 years ago and would have said I’m an agnostic theist but the more I research I have found not much evidence to believe in the existence of god as most theists believe.
The parable of the prodigal son always baffled me with JW's and shunning. Oh, I am glad to be out of it
By
I can barely believe i was ever an ardent jw. Took their positions as reasons to make life choices. My 75 year old mom is still a jw and I'm disfellowshipped but she supports me in literally every way. What a crazy way to go about living life.
One full hour of John Ceders
Hell yea
I always look forward to these. Then again I always look forward to any of Lloyd’s videos!🤷🏻♀️
My mum told my father, a doctor, that a heart transplant changed a persons personality. Watchtower told her at one time the seat of personality resides in the heart. My dad just looked shocked that someone could believe such horseshit.
@@randyg.7940 I had a kidney transplant 8 years ago after being COMPLETELY faded for 30 odd years. In the run up to being put on the transplant waiting list 3 years before the transplant, can you imagine the consultants raised eye brows when I asked the question - "will it change my personality". This was the shit that was around when I was a kid growing up in this CULT to do with any transplants.
@Stefan Listevyios WT said as late as 1961 that a blood transfusion infused the recipient with the personality traits of the donor. Not kidding! LOL.
@Stefan Listevyios Well thats the best excuse I've ever heard, honestly, you couldn't make it up. Sounds like he has his explanation all worked our for the elders if he's ever dragged into the back room.
🙄🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's alot of bullroar 🤣
Hni@@christivollgraaff5191
Getting baptised at 6 years old, that's is just insane
Outrageous... Totally foreign to the J.W. religion I was brought up in...
Seriously a child in kindergarten?
Definately not much different to baptising babies.
Imagine getting asked all this JW questions, about your opinion on sex, sexuality, drugs, alcohol, politics when in school you just finished I don't know counting to 💯 or multiplication by 1 and 2. Yikes 😓
@@spellbound111 I was still in when I was talking about it. What kid in this planet was more ready for baptism than Jesus ? That's why I took it when I was 18, Hella regret it but I didn't known better at that time.
spellbound111 omg yasss. I’ve been thinking the exact same thing!!!
Another perfect example of how easy it is to disprove the JW doctrines and unrealistic beliefs. thank you Lloyd!
No wonder JWs discourage members from going to college! A little critical thinking destroys so many of the JW silly beliefs...
Lloyd, I wholeheartedly thank you for this! My friend’s 14 year old son is about to be baptized and she’s heartbroken. I’m using some of these watchtower articles, along with one from another one of your videos, to reason with his dad about this. And him. As we all know we can’t force anyone to wake up, but I continue to appreciate all the long hours and research and care that goes into each and every one of your videos! All being directly from their own propaganda speaks volumes much more than someone in an emotional state blurting out “it’s all lies!” Thank you!! You’ve been such a blessing over the years in so many ways exposing the organization for who they really are. It’s upsetting to hear but then liberating!! Freedom!!
I was born in a JW family, and my birthday is on Halloween. I think it can't get worse than that xD
Had a friend born on xmas...
Well if You have your birthday on a regular date you will feel embarrased and desapointed on your birthday and on Halloween so it is not so Bad.
scorpiooooooooooo
How is it worse when we should not be celebrating holidays AND birthdays ,anyway. So what that it is on a pagan holiday. That doesn't make you any part of it, unless you choose to make it that way.
Im sooooo happy to have woken up, its my daughter that told me about your utub and since been following you, great job, thank you 😁👍
Great work on this vid!! Thank you Lloyd!
Thank you kindly!
Wow, of all the lists they keep, I would think they would want a list of the anointed. 😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
No list of the anointed, but they sure make sure to publish how many partook each year.
Your videos are always so clear and so Spot On. I enjoy all of them. I’m 73, been an X for approximately 30 years, and watching your videos have helped me realize how very sane I have been. Even as a child, I had a lot of doubts and questions but of corse, I never voiced either. Thank you for what you do. 🥰
A better comparison to piñatas would be the JW position on yoga
Kevin Hall damn straight! And their view on henna!
Omgosh when I was studying with JWs and I found about yoga I was like “what in the world?” I studied along with my children for 4 yrs, then I did my own research and said NOPE!!!! And never again. It still affected me and my eldest, now trying to get all that out of his head.
@@sazzy7899 They have a position on henna? Why am I not surprised?
I’m a frequent blood donor and it’s something I’m very happy to be able to do it to help others. I happen to have the only blood type that is safe for infants (O- and CMV-) and I often hear that my blood was used for one of them. That sure feels good!
I once thought of donating. But got declined because of my epilepsy.
I've left JWs and Christianity for 10 years now. Strangely, it is very therapeutic to listen to videos like this.
i find it hard to believe that some one could revert back to the world after being exposed to the truth.Really you support same sex marriage murder of help less babies earth wide pollution wars false religions lying politics ????
Arthur, are you kidding me? Have you seen and heard how cold and loveless your "anointed" elders sound? These are the men that "Jehovah" has chosen. If there is a God like Jehovah who will only protect and give his guidence to the JWs because the go the the meeting and go door knocking (although technically we all know U don't want to do that, we all know y all secretly want the householder to not be home) how can a God like that just be like, yep the go to meetings, that will do... Fuck no dude. I was a jw and my whole family still is, and my. "worldly" friends show me so much more love than my own family who is wjs. And the funny thing is, I never got babtized, yet they see me as scum simply because I didn't follow them like a sheep. I'm glad though, because leaving the JWs has taught me what true love for family and friends is. I have and always will talk to my family and show them unconditional love. I will show my worldly friends unconditional love. Surprisingly the JWs DO NOT show unconditional love.... And your telling me God approves of that behaviour?? You my friend are incredibly delusional. All you people think is, oh, they have left the JWs, they are all now drug addicts and worship the devil. You make anyone who leaves seem like they are all Satan worshippers. We have free will. We have a right to have our own thoughts about your religion. And yet, we are the ones who show unconditional love. Honestly, if God truly is how you imagine it, I'd rather die. But I know in my heart, that God can see MY heart. He knows my thoughts, and he knows more than your elders, or anybody in your cult, he knows 100% in my heart what sort of a person I am.
@@arthurdonehower6115 Arthur, and you can support the deaths of thousands of Witnesses from refusing blood on the strength of your leaders spurious/twisted logic interpretation of Acts 15 v 29?
And then be stupid enough to swallow the totally none Biblical "blood fractions" teaching?
@@arthurdonehower6115 You have no idea what people on the outside are like. Just because people don't follow a religion with literally no proof for it, doesn't mean we're all heartless. If anything, religion is what makes people heartless..
I personally was never a JW & I could never worship a self centered tyrant..
Soooo happy i have wokened, thanks to my daughter.....she intreduced me to your video, been listenning since, thank you for the researched and great work!!!! 👍
You are so welcome! Congratulations on finding your freedom! :)
This is hands down my favorite video you've made! Thank you Lloyd for all you do it is truly appreciated!
Wow, thank you!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses.
We speak out in fearlessness.
Ours is the god of hypocrisy.
What he foretells won't come to be.
😂😂😂😂
Sasuke Uchiha help bro I’m trying warn you don’t be fooled. ☢️ I’m in a cult? I’m a Jehovah’s Witness and i want to get out of this cult but my parents will be mad I’ve been grown up in the CULT.. i want to get out but.. they will be mad my parents.. can you help will god find me a way or for me to get saved? 😣 I wear my homemade cross I’m out the cult?
@@3un4j0 wearing an idol on your neck does not make you out of a cult. How old are you. Do you live with your parents. You still have to honor your parents so GOd will give you long life.Pray and ask God to give you widsom. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and direct you on how you should leave the JW cult. If you are under 18 with no where to live then wait. Wait until lyou get a job, go to school... that will get them. Apply to a college and get a scholarship. Government USA will help you with Schoool and place to live and food. that gives you 4 years to find a job and a place to live and other friends to get away from this cult and not be alone. Your parents will shunn you if they believe JW cult teachings. DO NOT GET BAPTIZED in the JW religion. Find a christian congregation that teaches the bible dedicate your life to Jesus Christ, He died for you on the cross. ask for forgiveness of your sins and he will forgive you repent and then do not go back to your sins. Listen to Christian music... be careful NOT jw music and not wordly christian music. you need discernment. Ask GOD for wisdom and discernment. He gave this all to me in a short period of time. READ READ READ your bible and NOT the JW junk books.that mind control you with lies in them and satanic images. throw away as many books as you can.
Good one 🤣
Well thanks for that trigger I'm just going to rock back and forth with ptsd for a while ahhahaha
The split second I see/hear Tony M., I get a visceral reaction of nausea. Unbelievably self righteous and condescending and toxic. If you are reading this Tony, I'm sorry to be so blunt, but your manner of presenting your "faith" is all so opposite of how the Bible says to be. I am so done with the Jehovah's Witnesses......
Thank you!
I left the JW religion before I watched a single "apostate" video exactly because of such contradictions! Especially the things about evolution. I came to the same conclusions myself, it's like we think in the exact same way. Guess it's just the way any rational person would think.
And I didn't just leave in an instant, I tried to "save my faith" and discuss these matters with elders and friends, tried to find an answer, but to my surprise, they basically dismissed all of it. They were satisfied with absolutely unsatisfactory "explanations", everything basically boiled down to "goddidit": "oh, Jehovah just somehow made it possible with his holy spirit". It's like being in some kind of absurd theater, the problems are so obvious, yet no one seems to notice!
This makes me so enraged, it's an insult to common sense!
i felt the same, but i guess at this time we just wanted to believe and to stay in our born in religion...some brothers studied at college with me, we sometimes spoke about it, mostly concluding that it is probably scientifically false, but not yet the time to dammage the weaks faith in insisting on that evident problems...later, when i was an elder
...when i was an elder but also a well known teacher i felt ashamed to support such fundamentalist theories...me the teacher who teached my students to be logical and rational :(((
I tried the same route too before finally giving up trying to reason with these people. I was attacked on all sides by family and friends for leaving an abusive husband despite the scriptural caveat found at 1Cor. 8: 10, 11. The elders just glared at me when I pointed this out from their Bible and declared I, was “unfit association” anyway.
This led to a rather intensive period of research into the religion where I found multiple examples of the org justifying all kinds of things just because they said so. I discovered in one fell swoop that they only use scriptures when it suits them and blatantly ignore scriptures that don’t support their BS.
Trying to discuss matters with elders or your JW family and friends is just impossible because of the Borg installed firewall that has in fact hijacked common sense and common decency.
I recently had an hour long discussion over the phone with a JW woman I knew decades ago
that was quite chilling. It was like trying to argue with “Dial a Prayer”, that one time thing you could access on the phone if you felt the need of spiritual encouragement.
Nothing I said penetrated the fog of spiritual warfare. I didn’t let it get to me because my whole idea was to see if this woman had progressed even an inch from the dogmatic minion she once was. Nope.
Yes it is infuriating, but my feeling now is have at it, arguing even politely just produces a plate of spaghetti where one strand leads to another one and it’s endless.
Same for me, I left 10 years ago and went through the same process. I only discovered Lloyd recently, it's nice to see others who think rationally.
You're doing the "lords" work here! 😂
Your videos are helping my sister, and now my sister in-law to wake up. Making things more clear!
Helping me for years!
Thank you so much, Lloyd!
And I would love to see you grow that beard longer, man!
Love from Denmark
Looking forward to this!
I’m from Mexico, and at least in my upbringing you would not dare to look at a piñata it would be as sinful as worshiping the devil! As a child growing up restricted and kept away from birthdays, all sorts of parties you can’t help but feeling so mad at the hypocrisy 😡
So good.. really makes you analyze and also simple use of common sense in all of this. Very greatly put together 👏🏻
I think you are probably going to be the person who takes the watchtower down. Keep it up Lloyd, there so many of us out here who appreciate the way in which you reason on what we were taught, without resorting to rudeness.
I had a break from this channel, to get away from serious content for a while, and now just started watching you channel again! Glad there is so many new videos I can watch =D
Regarding child baptism: Not to mention how extensive a child's vocabulary is...
Imagine a few years from now, a 1-year-old trying to say their first words.
"Ba... ba..."
*Tony Morris kicks the door down and storms into the house*
"Do you mean BAPTISM? Because if you're ready to babble words, you must be ready to dedicate your life."
I know a 4 year old girl who already talks about getting baptised and has asked her parents. Thankfully they themselves are reluctant to have her baptised at such a young age and are making her wait. Although I doubt they will make her wait long. Maybe until she is 10-11 years old at most. But it still goes to show the level of brainwashing and indoctrination on witnesses and specifically young kids. A 4 year old would only want to get baptised if they have had it drilled into their heads from the get-go. It's all they know. And at that age, they don't actually 'know' what they are saying.
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(37:24) Whenever you say you're getting emotional you literally seem completely composed, I feel like a heated argument with you would feel like fist-fighting a soft pillow yet still losing haha. Truly goes to show how much of a level-headed and nice guy you are, even if you feel emotional, you definitely still come across as completely composed, rational, as objective as possible and articulate in your argument.
He will cuddle you with harmless soft anger
All great points, it's ok to be emotional from time to time. It shows how passionate you are about your work.
Good job. One of the better and more complete reviews of Watchtower teachings that I have ever been exposed since leaving the 'tower decades ago. Your reasoning is impeccable and substantial. I urge everyone to share this video with their ex-JW and potential JW friends in order to put everything the Watchtower teaches into proper perspective.
Thanks so much John! It's always a pleasure to see a dear old friend among the comments! ;)
Your videos are fact based. I like the fact that you always let your viewers reach the conclusion. Thank you Lloyd.
I was thinking about wedding traditions we had to avoid. Clinking of glasses and how you looked so stupid not joining in! No one even knows what it means but we have to avoid it? But you can do it for piñatas? What is it with Mexico? Thinking of how they could own a political card I think? vs The brothers in Africa having to become martyrs?
I know! Theres no consistancy, i married a non JW & we couldnt clink glasses in respect of the witnesses who attended, its ludicrous.
Yeah that's what we call the Mexico-Malawi Scandal
They believe it has something to do with demons and with a little research you can find out that it actually doesn't and the demon part came in way much later in history and was just a false believe. But they don't really question stuff so why bother?
Oh that explains a lot. My JWs brother and sister in-law do drink alcohol, I am a non drinker myself. But at a recent family member's wedding they were setting across the table from us. When a toast was giving to the bride and groom they did raise their glasses or drink the wine. I did toast out of politeness even though I hated the taste. I was very cufused why my brother and sister in-law who I have seen drinking quite a bit was not toasting the bride and groom.
It's entirely arbitrary.
I remember the talk on theocratic warfare. I had the same feeling at the time. This was the beginning of the end for me.
Hope it'll be of great benefits to two circuit overseers I forwarded this video to. Great thanks Lloyd.
Do you really believe that two C.O.'s will be willing to give up their 'positions of power' when faced with Lloyd's irrefutable case presentation?
No way!
Ask them, as a token of goodwill, to shun their mothers for breast-feeding them.
You'll never find a C.O.willing to publicly validate the arguments in this video.
Don't delude yourself! it isn't going to happen.
I do this kind of thing too, the first couple of times I suppose they were opened by accident , now I can tell my postings are no longer even opened HOWEVER.....I will not stop compelling these people to conftont the lunacy of their preachings at every opportunity. The damage the cause warrants no less. Keep up the good work.
@@NickPenlee After my recent chat with a special pioneer recently, I had no choice other than conclude.. WT Organisation's reputation is in tatters even among its trusted cult salesmen.
@@vaughnwoss4990
Someone 'in the know' told me to give the W/T 3-5 years and it'll be gone.
@@NickPenlee Sure indeed!
Can someone PLEASE tell me which broadcast (month/year) that was from, the clip of Tony Morris suggesting blackmail for their DL & pushing baptism? Got into a big conversation with my brother who insists that it’s just the view of other witnesses, that the GB/society does not push baptism at young ages. He’s asking for proof of everything, I need to watch this myself anyway for more context. He’s told me to scratch/forget other witnesses, just go strictly by what the GB says & they won’t lead me wrong, that I’ve just been stumbled by other witnesses who have taken their own views on & putting them on others.
Hello Lloyd ! Just to say you are SO brilliant in your videos. Your arguments, research and explanations are awesome, deep and touching many times.
Besides that, I am from Spain and you speak the most perfect and clear english I have ever heard, so I use your videos to learn and improve mine :).
Keep it up Lloyd and thank you VERY much for your great job! Un fuerte abrazo!!
Thank you so much for your channel. I’m married to a JW I started to go to the meetings because at the beginning some of the stuff seemed to make sense. Then they told me I had to do field service. I said I didn’t want to. My brother-law told me he didn’t want to associate with me if I didn’t (which he later denied) when I asked why I had to do the field service, if it doesn’t say I have to in the Bible, my sister-law yelled at me and said,” because the ORGANIZATION says we gave to!”, she added I needed to do some research. I DID. I subscribed to your channel and watched your videos. When I confronted them with questions about some of your subjects they always had excuses and when I further pushed them they got very nasty. My brother and sister-in law no longer speak to me. When I bring up any question to my wife she gets all upset. I watched your recent video about the 10 contradictions and I confronted one of the elders with the Sauls army thing about the blood law and he said they didn’t violate the law. I also told him about the governing body paying their witness through law school, he said they don’t do that any more. Please give me one big, indisputable thing I can hit them with that will leave them speechless and they can’t comeback with any excuse and will really rattle them.
Your the best
Thank you.
I've got one! Allowing family members to die rather than give a blood transfusion. Abraham was asked to offer up Issac as a sacrifice....but God stopped him from killing him!!!
Holy shit Lloyd, you got me with the first contradiction LMAO, thanks for giving me more material in my journey of leaving crumbs for my family so they can wake up.
Yet another fantastic video Lloyd! 👍 Thank you!
I came from Anglican and then Eastern Orthodox background and I have a theological degree, though I'm not now religious. My understanding of "free will" is somewhat different, though problem you discuss is still there. I would just call it something a little different. Free will, as I understand it, is that we are not made to be automatons, or puppets. We are *capable* of making independent choices and they are not pre-programmed.
This does not solve the problem of whether we are really given a legitimate choice when it comes to how we lead our lives. In the Orthodox understanding, hell is natural consequence of disconnecting oneself from God, more than it is a judicial punishment. While that understanding was far more appealing to me than others I had heard, it didn't occur to me that the natural consequences arises from a problem God himself created: the Fall. God planted the tree - and it was an "attractive nuisance" to use legalese. Of course a young (newly created, according to the story) person would be curious! You don't put something dangerous out where kids might get hurt by it just by exploring it. And of course, there's also the question of how Adam and Eve would know that disobeying God was bad before the Fall, is yet another question… for another day.
Food at the proper time! Yesss
Lloyd I know what you mean about getting all emotional. I struggle talking to my family about this, they think I get angry and disrespectful, but it's just how emotional I get because I want to tell them everything and make them realise how culty this religion is and that's why I get so emotional. They just can't see that. So sad.
This is exactly how it feels being around the zombies wearing their masks.
It was amazing to listen to I was a witness for 60 years I have 7children plus I myself have had open heart surgeries and I was prepared to die rather than disobey what I thought was God's regards to blood I carried the blood card so did my wife and children thanku true God and thanku Lloyd I am so thankful we survived being in that cult I been awake almost 4 years I hope one day to find a way to tell my whole story just so maybe someone can benefit from hearing it
I was baptized in 1970 at the age of 9. I remember the elders trying to discourage me, to the extent that a Circuit Overseer met with me. I went through with my baptism, only to be disfellowshipped 11 years later. Ah, the good old days lol.
There will be thousands of women being disfellowshipped then!! Just shows how utterly ridiculous their teachings are.
Yes You are right that statement of the GB that there are no miracles today needed or going on because personally I have seen a number of miracles over my time and so know that there are miracles today I won't go into these but they do happen, as for child baptisms I agree Jesus said go in making disciples teaching and baptizing them, that to me is not a 6 year old as you said,still there are more issues that came with the change of beast, that's for sure
The portraits he has of Morris, Lett and the guy from the bunker video are too FUNNY!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I used to be a pioneer, now I'm a pothead artist. Lol to think that I once wanted to go to Bethel. Keep up your good work.
"Old enough to drive, old enough to get baptized!" How old was Jesus when he got baptized?
Its not Scriptural.There is not one example of a young child being baptised in all of the Christian Greek Scriptures..
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I could hear Tony Tight Pants saying, well then Jesus got baptized before he got his drivers license.
Jesus owned a Honda Accord (John 12:49) 🤣😂✝|
Old enough to drive, apparently.
When you are 6 to even 20-30 years old, you simply haven´t got enough life experience to decide what you want to do with the rest of your life. We all change our mind about many things, especially if we have an open and investigating mind. Before i left JW 35 years ago, i saw several young witnesses being expelled and lost all contact to their families and their social network. And it´s the same sad story today.
Hopefully my pomi brother watches this today hes yet to realise that he was bought up in a cult and always refers back to the teachings. Thanks for all u do making the videos. Your fair and factual
That clip of Tony Morris sickens me. I loathe that man, I am so glad that I DIDN'T give in to peer pressure and baptized, I still have my family, and why? Because I didn't listen to the likes of you.
Thank you John! Never thought of the prodigal son parable like that. Much appreciated sir 👏
Very welcome :)
So many lies and manipulations from this corporation. Concise and well presented 👌
If they really want to be accurate, Christmas and birthdays and similar celebrations have their origins much further back in history than Christ. The actual original belief systems that spawned these celebrations are well and truly gone as active religions, so I guess all bets are off. Believing that the current diversity of species etc came from the severely limited number of propagating pairs on the boat (Noah's Ark) is patently ridiculous. They want to use the science differentiating species and kind yet will not admit to the mechanism of evolution being required to do what they say happened. Looking at the Governing Body as a representative of the anointed, it seems that mental or emotional instability is a prerequisite. These contradictions alone are enough to refute the veracity of the teachings of the Watchtower organization, yet there are many many more of them. After all, 10% wrong means 100% wrong.
When I was a JW I asked the elders about the fossil record. The answer: don't go down that route its border line apostasy.
Only JW's are arrogant enough to deny the fossil record, how can you deny something you can see happening throughout history, im 35 and man ive seen evolution happen before my very eyes
He told you correctly
@@spellbound111 Mutations are evolution. Viruses mutating and changing are evolution.
Literally, we have a virus right now across the whole planet, that mutated to transmit from bats/pangolins to humans. And you say you don't see any evolution happening?
@@Maverick25ish Not true. There are non jw people who suspect fossils are a hoax. Im not one of them, just saying there are others who beleive that.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 Of course the are Non JW out there that don't believe evolution or the fossil record....
Lloyd.... this is such a wonderful and respectful video. I love that you speak from love, logic , and compassion. I was always told about the prodigal son (hence the reason I am still shunned). But never really realized as you stated that his father did not even know the intent of his son but he ran to him out if genuine love. That meant so much to realize as I keep battling with myself on this. I have been free 6 years and overall happy but the shunning from my daughter and them convincing her to have never allowed my grandchildren to know me hurts like nothing else I have experienced. I am also a nurse and funny thing is I knew about the clostridium and WBC because we are taught about the immunity the infant receives from their mothers which has so much to do with breastfeeding but never correlated it with "abstaining from blood"
I for one being in healthcare never accepted nor supported that doctrine but of course kept that to myself. I also knew and cared for a few witnesses whom under diress and fear of death of them or their loved ones accepted blood.. I never held that against them nor judged because had it been me I would have chosen the same. I treated them with comfort and love while they had to make a decision they perceived as being against "their faith". Lastly, I was always asked to volunteer/ "work" for free at the first aid during conventions..... had I not went to a college and obtained a higher education who would they have?
Well done all the way around. I would share but they refuse to listen. Smh
Typo colostrum.😂🙃 auto spell can really mess you up!
A great demonstration, Lloyd, of what a little critical thought can do to contradictory cult beliefs untethered to reality - well done!
Watertight reasoning, as usual. Excellent. Thanks.
So well done!!! Thank you Lloyd.
Great videos. I found it interesting that they changed Exodus 34:14 in their new Bible from 'God is a jealous God' to 'he requires exclusive devotion" That may seem innocuous until you read these three scriptures. "God is Love" (1John 4:8) "Love is not jealous" (1 co 13:4-7) "he is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14) talk about contradiction. They seem to have been self-conscious about that one.
Woah😵 I love your comment
It's interesting that they are actively seeking out and hiding contradictions in the Bible, while everyone else is saying that they don't exist and using apologetics to excuse them away.
Spot on, as usual. Thanks, Lloyd!
Excellent video! Every subject that you covered made so much sense,that I can`t understand how JWs can see it clearly.
Thank you!
Hi John, I am educating my self to WAKE UP my family , thank you for the information , it is help me a lot 👍
As always Lloyd, fantastic sense stress and modulation... need to work on your gesturing and audience contact but you still get a resounding G 😉😅🤣
Working on it! ;)
10 year old me passing the 'dreamcatchers' hanging in the shop like 👀
I'm a little late watching this but wow! Loving this one!
Wow you never cease to amaze me!
The picture of Tony Morris buying alcohol and the one of Stephen Lett are hilarious. Nice touch.
I thought it was only me that they discouraged from going to college. I knew something was wrong when they told me that I would be wasting my time in college when Jehovah wold be returning any day. That was 24 years ago and I have a masters degree. I am no longer a JW.
@Greg LeJacques lmaoo 💀
For legalistic consistency, the Watchtower should be telling it's followers not to live in homes with fireplaces mantles, because heathens would put household idols on the fireplaces. For that matter, they should not fireplaces because fire worshippers used them as shrines. Not candles, not knives, nor statues of any kind.
Lol
Hi, great video! Where are you from? UK, Australia, or maybe New Zealand? I can't quite figure out your accent. (definitely not US or Canada :)
Trust me, as an ex JW, there is always going to be someone who gets offended so they can look like they are soooo spiritual. All it does is turn something insignificant into a huge issue
greetings from brazil, keep on the good work
Since watchtower claims that piṅata is acceptable and based on individual conscience since it no longer holds any religious significance, I would want to ask the Watchtower, why then does that same principle not apply to toasting with a glass of wine. What religious significance does clinking glasses in a toast have today?
It actually never started with a religious believe. The religious believe came much later in history. But still, it is a very good question.
Fantastic video Lloyd, excellent points that I never thought about before
Thanks 👍
Going to use these points to show to my mum and dad who are still JW's
It still baffles me that when their own writings are read in a skepical tone, they sound SO REDICULOUS!
45:00 Best sermon on the Prodigal I have ever heard. And you an atheist too ;) :D Absolutely brilliant!
Having fun with piñatas is called into question with Jehovah’s Witnesses? I really think they have an aversion to having any form of fun and enjoying their life. Experiencing happiness triggers the thought that it’ll somehow offend Jehovah. Such a cult mentality.
Can I just say that I love how long Lloyd's videos usually are? I am so tired of blowing through 20 minute videos. I want this sort of long, thorough info. I just really appreciate that all the videos are super fast little blips on the radar.
Thank ful for you Lloyd
Love how you framed the picture of tight pants Toney at the liquor store.
My niece just turned six, and I really can’t imagine her getting baptized.
That first one could be said the same thing about the YMCA.
Rutherford just wanted to make his religion as different as possible, and knorr and Franz expanded it to establish their publishing empire. That's why the jws aren't allowed to accept normal stuff. It's literally a rebellion and it makes them feel good. And they'll get to live forever because of it. Ok everyone knows this but my family was jw and it still angers me to some extent.
No when you know your history , those pagan roots go against what the bible says.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 who cares what the bible says
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 even pagans believe in the concept of GOD. Does that make the belief in GOD pagan?
The use of a building for worship comes from pagans as well.
With your reasoning, Kingdoms halls and church buildings are pagan.
Be careful how you throw around pagan.
Lloyd! How did you get that interview with WT lawyer and creepy Schaffer, I want
The source for the video is in the caption.
Great , reminder set
Is it true that JWs can get in trouble for having publications with old light?
You don't get into trouble, but you will be talked to by a "concerned sister/brother" about it, for sure.
I'll be there!...Save me a front row seat! 😆
I think many people become JW's because they are lonely and find that the friendship they get when attending meetings and invitations to others homes are a great attraction. I found that I went from a few friends to a large amount of people who seemed very interested in me. Many stay because of this friendship that they do not want to give up.
Totally agree! Great video!
Outstanding video.
Thank you very much!
Help me! SOMEONE!!! I’m in a cult? I’m a Jehovah’s Witness and i want to get out of this cult but my parents will be mad I’ve been grown up in the CULT.. i want to get out but.. they will be mad my parents.. can you help will god find me a way or for me to get saved? 😣 I wear my homemade cross I’m out the cult?
In the 90's I remember a young 11-year-old getting baptised. I remember my mum saying: "Oh she's too young, she's just a baby." They had her on the platform at a convention as an example as she was doing pioneer hours even before she was baptised and riding her bike to the groups if her parents couldn't get her there
With billions of lives on the line and mankind's ability to properly document them, Jehovah decides that really compelling evidence, such as visits from angels and miracles, are off limits. Is this the action of a God that truly desires everyone to be saved?
I am atheist but I celebrate Christmas. Obviously Christmas does not have a religious meaning to me so that should mean that I am not the only person in the world that believes this way,right?
Thou shall not lie except when it’s theocratic warfare. Thou shallnot have any other gods before me except when it’s JW.org
Love it!!!