Surefire Scout Turbo Pro High Candela Weapon Lights - The New Standard? 🇺🇸🔦
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2023
- We the new Surefire Scout Pro Turbo high candela M640DFT-PRO & M340DFT-PRO weapon lights out to the range, go over their features, compare the beam with other lights, and discuss what I think of them overall 🇺🇸🔦
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whats a good price for these?
I love my surefire scout but I do think for the $300 price tag. It should come with a pressure pad.
Buy once, cry once. Truer words never spoken.
For these light reviews it would be awesome if you could put a picture of the light with the part number on the frame when you're testing them. It's kinda tough to follow when all these naming conventions are similar. I appreciate you doing these!
I wonder what your neighbors think. "honey the aliens are back, nah its just Mike testing flashlights again."😁
🤣😂🤣
Props for surefire finially making the tried and true better. Competition is good. When i look at several manufacturers and have a hard time deciding, this is a good thing. It is also a bad thing for my bank account. Nice video.
Just picked up one for my home defense Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol.
MADE IN AMERICA! It's really nice to be able to say that.
Is it really though, a company who shills out for government contracts and screws the taxpayer? Idk if that’s the kind of “America” I support. At that rate, they’re not doing any of us any more favors than China is. I can guarantee they’re pushing to continue this war in Ukraine to continue funneling your sweet tax dollars into their pockets…
I don’t have a problem with a company landing contracts, but they’ve ridden them for way too long, haven’t actually innovated anything in a long while, and their product line is at least 5-10 years behind the competition.
Bernie Sanders is an American; Elizabeth Warren is an American; the Everytown David Hogg is an American. If they owned a flashlight company, would you buy their products over anyone else’s, just because they make them in America?
What kind of people are they supporting with their business? What kind of products do they make in comparison to competitors? -two questions far more important than where a product is made these days.
In some cases, an American made product is politically/ethically far worse than one made with child slave labor in some far off land.
-For what it’s worth.
I agree about the tailcap. The Z68 clicky is hands down the best for me and the most intuitive, easy to use and reliable. The recess makes it very hard to accidently activate. Currently I'm running an Arisaka 300 series with the Z68 clicky tailcap, the Malkoff E1HTv2 head which is 400 lumens and 18000 candela and the offset mlok mount. It's a great light and mount for $230
It would work well as a handheld patrol light
That mini turbo is a little monster that I’ll definitely be looking into.
Thanks for the great show and tell.
Great review Mike, thanks!
The hot spot on the mini pro turbo is actually insane.
yup
@@Mrgunsngear It's definitely nice being able to chose your footprint-mini vs. full-size-without giving up much in terms of beam performance.
@@doktorfaustusso what’s the drive towards one or the other?
@@thejoatmoo ah ok thanks
@@guitarthrasher81size, weight + rail space, runtime.
Appreciate the great info and demo man. Just ordered a M640DFT after watching for my DDM4ISR
Thanks for the video!
Wow those lights are awesome 👍
I always appreciate your light reviews. Its hard to tell what lights are good and why.
I own streamlight, cloud defensive, modlite, surefire
their all good
I think I will be sticking with Surefire at the moment
... they're...
Good on Surefire for joining the Candela squad! I love my Fury DF, but the self-discharge rate of the Surefire 18650's (I have 3 cells; bought new from SF) has been really bad. Whether stored in the light, on my desk, or in the thyrm on my carrier, there are down to 50-60% after 2-3 months. Not great.
I have a used Cloud OWL shipping to me right now and am going to buy the Rein 3.0 micro.... so will report on those cells later. Ping me here for updates.
I’ve had the same experience with SF rechargeables. They’re just not ready for prime time, not by a long shot.
I appreciate them trying to get with the times, but it’s a swing and a miss for me.
The unprotected cloud cells work great for me. Minimal discharge over months in my experience. The rein also has a lot more usable spill and a brighter, larger hotspot as compared to my SF turbo.
If they discharge outside of the light then it’s just the battery. Change the battery not the light, lol.
All 18650 and 18350s suffer from parasitic drain. No matter the cell manufacturers or the flashlight brand. That’s a quirk of the battery, not the light. You have to keep them topped off. Or run CR123s if you want them stored long term.
@@JDangly Understood. But losing *that much* (50% in 3 months or less)? Is that amount of loss normal?
Damn, now that's a light. That thing lights up over 100 yards with ease.
Iv shot 300 hundred yards with mine
Nice watch dude. Baller.
Another Great Review 💯 Thank you 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
I just got the x300 turbo for my edc and I'm sold, I wanna get one of these for my carbine.
Outstandinf review! The new turbo mini looks perfect for what I want. I only wish that surefire would make these with the original dual post mounts like the previous series.
As always thanks ✔
Can you do a review on the edc2DFT and the EDC1DFT
I would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the Cloud Defensive Rain 3.0.
I stand by Surefire till my dying day! And then some!
I would like to see a comparison video on the nightstick LGL-160.
Id like to see a pro vs rein 3.0...
Excellent comparison!
But the price for a flashlights is crazy 😮
Can you do a video comparing the Cloud Defense Rein 3.0 to the Modlight and SureFire?
No REIN 3 to compare?
Any idea when the sig romeo-x red dot review will be up?
Wish I could find one of these in the $250 range
Wished you pulled out the rein 3.0!
Is that a yacht master you have? 😮
I actually like subjective opinion videos - it’s good insight of the reviewer for the viewers. That said, I’d like to recommend a video(s) dedicated to a Top 5 format (rifles, lights, etc.). Just a thought, as you don’t really do those sort of videos.
5 years ago maybe. Until they can package lumens and candela in a light with acceptable run time they’re still the Gen 3 Glock 17 of lights. Great work horses that fell behind in the market and lost market share to genuinely better features with equal reliability.
Any cap covers to prevent accidental ND light activation?
Also, please consider covering those “techniques” you mention to create flood with a high-candela light. Are you talking about diffusers or just hitting something brightly colored in the vicinity? You have my curiosity.
probably referring to umbrella lighting, or using the floor.
Surprised there isn't more of a weight difference between the two lights.
🙏🏽🇺🇸
Surefire is still catching up as Modliite released HOG light, which has more performance than any lights shown in this viideo
So store cr123's that if availability stopped (supply chain issues during war) you have limited supply and shelf life is 10 years as you throw them away each use.... Or, 18650's that are used in every battery power tool, battery powered car, are literally in almost every garage, and can be charged via solar or any other power backup? I'll take 18650 rechargeables!
The more I use my gear the less I care about extreme performance. I just want a light that's usable, light weight and durable. I wish they'd come out with a ultralight version of the Scout 300V
It’s all relative. I remember getting a LED light when they first hit the market here in the US. I was so stoked about how “bright” the thing was. I came across that thing the other day and popped some fresh batteries in it just for the heck of it. My fond memory of it was completely diminished when I quickly recognized that I have a brighter light built into my cellphone now.
I can appreciate not caring about being on the bleeding edge of tech when it comes to something so rudimentary, but there is certainly something to staying relatively close to the edge (or at least knowing where the edge is). If a guy can overwhelm your white light with something boasting 10x the candela and output, that definitely puts you at a disadvantage, as you can now not see beyond the light, who is carrying it, if it’s mounted to a weapon, etc, etc..
Popping cardboard silhouettes on a flat range or a shoot house is one thing, but facing an equally or better equipped opponent with an equal amount of training is something else. Like NV, it’s an advantage you actually can buy.
I only have a 300 lumen white light on my PEQ 😂
Just did an Arisaka build, I can’t believe I paid more than $100 for a DS switch. I just HAD to have it, it is nice though.
Arisaka makes some nice stuff.
DS is the way. Best build quality and a button for backup should your remote/cable die.
My last 3 light builds are all Modlite x Axon from Arisaka. No regret.
Do i need this light for larping? No. Am i going to buy the mini because if the drip? Yes
I wonder if they will have problems with the heads like the surefire 640df did.
If the cloud rein 3.0 didn't exist I'd choose this
How does this compare to the cloud rein 3.0?
Do you think there is an actual difference in the driver/emitter/optics between the scout mini turbo pro vs scout turbo pro?
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Are they having problems with the dft turbo?
100k candela?! I'm selling all my modlites now.
If you like candela, check out the modlite hog. The okw reports 170k candela for your pleasure.
Just picked up a Cloud Defensive Rein 3.0
Do they make tinted covers for them just in case you are inside?
They do, but I don’t know if they’re specific for whatever model you’re looking at. They’re just rubber slip over filters (in a variety of colors). I use one on a SF EDC-1 pretty often in the woods.
Rosemary’s baby
Was debating on the og mini & the mini turbo for a home defense shotgun. Would you recommend the og over the turbo for that application?
Personally, I would. A light with that much throw isn't really necessary for lighting up, identifying a target, and potentially taking fire, at the typical ranges you wiuld be using a shotgun. Having that throw would be good for blinding, but if its primarily for indoors I would go with a little more spill to provide a wider picture.
I agree with him, I have both the OG pro mini and the turbos and for in my house I’m sticking with my OG one with more spill and it’s plenty bright enough for home defense. A shotgun doesn’t have a range farther than the OG can illuminate anyway. That being said, if you were using it on a rifle and want to be able to see farther outside of your house on your property, then that’s something to take into consideration too and the turbo may be better. If you do go with the turbo, make sure you learn and practice proper light techniques for room clearing with a high candela light because since you won’t have as much spill and really need to know how to use the hot spot effectively.
Still waiting for the handheld models....
Serious comment/question: It seems like most of the light companies are always trying to catch up to (the dreaded and even hated) olight when it comes to output because olight seems to always be ahead in terms of outright power, especially for the size of the light.
What are your true thoughts on that?
That Olight Javalot Tac is badass for less than the $100 I paid....It's rockin 88,000 candela and 1000 lms not to mention Olight added a lifetime warranty on any light bought in 2023 forward
I own tons of Surefire lights, among several other top manufacturers. However, when I walk my dogs down the drive at night or am looking around the farm at something in the dark, I’m usually using an Olight Warrior X that I got years ago when they came out. I’ve grown accustomed to having that level of illuminating power, to the point that when I switch back to a surefire that’s also using an 18650, I find myself pretty frustrated having invested so heavily in what’s already outdated technology the day it’s released. Surefire needs to get ahead of this ball before it’s too late (it really already is).
I own several x300s (various models) and currently don’t use a single one. The gun on my nightstand right next to me has a Valkyrie pro mounted on it, because it’s just so much better in terms of overall output, beam quality, color, and candela. I can say much of the same about my Surefire Scouts too, unfortunately.
People can hate on Olight all they want, it means little to me, but they’re simply making more powerful and capable lights than most of the US market. If they’d cut back on the marketing hype, flash sale crud, proprietary charging/batteries, and other gimmicks, they’d probably get more recognition in the US gun market. They need to stop the frills, like they’ve done with their handgun lights, and just offer a serious, clean, minimalist looking light that performs like all the rest. The crenelated bezels and all that are a hinderance on a rifle, and no one wants a random splash of blue (a very distinguishable color in the woods) around the bezel of their weapon light. They also need to get with the clicky game. While their tailswitch is innovative and convenient for charging, it’s just not reliably repeatable. Tape switches are great when they work, but I’ve broken every single one I’ve ever used extensively (regardless of who makes them), so I don’t even bother anymore.
What are your guys’ favorite lights for CQB/Home Defense light?
Need a Streamlight turbo series. At half the cost.
What pressure switch do you recommend for the Compact Dual Fuel High-Candela WeaponLight?
I just got the mini and am using the SFRDSSR07 surefire, its solid and has all the capabilities you want, tha packaging says any surefire switch will work with it
@@Stfu9785 thank you so much for the reply and info -- I really appreciate it. I found a SR07 pressure pad that includes a socket adapter on amazon for a decent price thanks to your help. The model number is UE-SR07-BK. Can't wait until it comes!
Dey works on a 12 gauge shots gun?
I don't think you mentioned this, but are the turbo bodies compatible with the older scout bodies?
I would like to know this as well.
@@ryansealy1233 I went to the surefire website for this. It will work however you have to have a KM-2 series head and or one other type I don't remember the second. But it's on the website if you look up the PRO body.
A comparison that’s needed: the original 2 cell scout and the DF scout 2 cell turbo (DF using primaries, not the rechargeable).
From what I can tell with the basic 2 cell DF (not turbo), the original scout (again, not using their rechargeable in the DF) is brighter, lighter, and slimmer.
The rechargeables are convenient (when they work), but I’m not going to bet my life on them working when I need them to. I’m sure guys in the field would much rather just pop in fresh batteries than call timeout so they can charge their electronics, but that’s just one man’s opinion. With the drop in performance, if you’re not 100% going to be trusting the rechargeables, it seems the OG scout (2 cell) is still the best option…that is, unless the turbo is any different than the original DF.
Im being told that you CANT put 2 cr123 batteries in a turbo which uses 18650 batteries because that would create a series and increase the voltage to 6-7V rather than 3.6V and potentially burn out the light. Cant find a straight answer anywhere as to whether the 18650 lights can handle the voltage increase of 2 cr123 batteries.
100k candela is useless inside a building but great outside. PLHv2 is superior to all for indoor use. Because that's what I bought, it's obviously the best.
would be great for the outdoors but inside would probably be blinding.
My SCAR 17 killed a Dual Fuel instantly. Pretty disappointed with Sure Fire
I bought a new m600df right before they announced these , kinda pisses me off
Mr. GNG, Please review Goonbeam Assault Flashlight. 110,000 Candella 1800 Lumens & about $120. Very interested in what you think of it.
Watch that surefire warranty. They will not warranty m952v without receipt from authorized dealer.
Goonbeam Assault Flashlight is the ultimate throw monster.
you should do an emergency video on Californias SB2
California gun laws (and overall freedom) in a nutshell: Everything good and clean is illegal. Everything that will cling to your soul and drag you to hell is legal.
There. Done.
Turbo mini with a mod button looks like the move…
That is a cool shirt. Also, for $300, you'd think they could make that in America.
OMG What'd you win!!? Lmao 😂
@@yupyup4209I don't understand your comment.
@@withoutfurtheradoforever lol there was another comment that I guess got deleted. It was one of those fake mrgunsngear profiles saying congratulations you won a prize
@yupyup4209 oh ha! Now it makes sense.
I’m hearing the cloud 3.0 is better.
Tape switch and never not tape switch Mike, =)
Just use it heavily for a month or two, I’ll wait.
Modlite and cloud defensive >
So how many times did you drop something on deck & fall in water ? lol gives me the jitters
Surefire is STILL Way behind on lumen output.🤨
so this are for hunting and camping ??' defetnly not for the city and cops
I like Surefire products but they sure as hell take their time updating their products. Cloud and Modlite have been killing the WML game for years.
That’s Cloud Defense Rein 3 money… and they’re 120,000 candela, 1,000 lumen I believe, I got one on my HD AR. And what he’s saying about room clearing is right, yeah it CAN blind you but if you’re not being careless, meh not much of a problem imo.
Surefire Pro's only pro is the mounting
No cloud love
This video isn’t about cloud defensive products lol.
Cloud was really the first to do Candela in complete lights (not hating on Modlight, etc). Even the 55k OWL is still not far off from these in output terms. 55k candela, but 1250 lumens OTF.
@DBravo29er in numbers maybe, but visually it is very far off
@@chaoticcaninejb How do you think that? OWL compared *directly* with Rein 2.0 full size and they aren't very different. The Rein 2.0 is rated at 71k candela/1100 lumens. 100k candela/750 lumens isn't going to look radically different. Neither have any of the OKW's I've seen. Just not enormous differences from the OWL.
Going from my 25.2k candela/1500 lumen Fury DF, they are all superior.
@@DBravo29erby comparing them side by side
Meh, I'd rather run Cloud Defensive's REIN.
Bro pimpin gold like everyone else. In SHTF no one will want it
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Streamlight batteries work in them??..
A battery is a battery, you have to take them out to charge them.
@@fredted1611 haha I get that but I have alot of stream lights on firearms and extra batteries...
@@jeremiahjohnson6971
A CR123 battery is a CR123 battery doesn't matter if Surefire,Stream light or Eveready the fuckin bunny made them.
@@fredted1611 so they won't work?
@@jeremiahjohnson6971
Your fuckin stupid man, sure hope you don't have firearms as idiots like you are the problem.
I don’t know why you would want someone 100+ yards away to know you are looking at them… especially in a gunfight. 😂
Research “breaking photon barriers.”
Also, in many cases, you might be legally or morally justified in pointing a weapon at someone, but maybe not necessarily using it. A powerful light that can clearly reveal who someone is or what someone is doing/holding is definitely something of benefit in a self-defense or security type situation. I’ve personally never been in a situation where using a light was okay and thought, “dang, if only my light wasn’t so bright.”
On the issue of breaking photon barriers, think of how you cannot see beyond a cars headlights. If there’s someone behind or just off to the side, you cannot see them or what they’re doing. But if you have a capable light with enough candela, you actually can, and then the roles reverse.
But generally, if you’re in a war and engaged in gunfight, you better hope your not having to use white light at all and are instead using NV of some sort. Even still, white light has its place, if you’re inside/around buildings with lots of sporadic artificial light.
Surefire needs to leave California
I bought thermals and am out of
Money please stop
I have ONE surefire and it is my worst light. I hate it. It is the Scout dual feed pro(non-turbo, like the one in the video he was using to compare to the turbos, but the full size) it is the dimmest weapon light I own, and the most expensive, I put a surefire tail switch on it and it flickers everytime I press the switch for like 2 seconds and then comes on with out flickering. I had always heard how great and bomb proof they were, I get maybe I got a bad tail switch, it happens, but the dimness for a $300 plus light is all on surefire. ....I want to buy American made stuff, but tell you the truth, all my streamlight protac lights, Just WORK, right out of the box the way they are suppose to, they are less than half the price, and come WITH a tail switch, I don't get nickeled and dimed another $150 bucks for a tail switch and a end cap that the tail switch goes into. Yeah it is chinese made, but you put the streamlight next to the surefire and the build quality looks the same to my eyes, and I have dropped them banged them around treated them like crap, and they ALL still work just fine. They take the same aftermarket mounts asurefire, and none of mine have ever lossened up. I mean like I said, I WANT to buy American made, but sometimes I think these American companies are kinda holding patriots wallets hostage, with their ridiculous prices.....that being said I like the proformance I am seeing here with these turbo lights, I just wish I did not have to pay the extra money for the upgraded TURBO edition to get a light that is actually bright enough to use outside of a house.
I 100% had the exact same experience with two different DF Pros, even after paying to send one in for a warranty claim. They sent back a whole new light with the exact same problem…The problem is the battery. Switch to primaries and be done with it. It’s definitely less output than what the rechargeable is stated to put out, but it’s at least useable that way (indoors anyway, like you say). That light was an absolute flop, and surefire knew it from day 1. They refused to acknowledge the problem and just screwed a whole lot of people. The original 2 cell scout is lighter, slimmer, more reliable, and brighter than the DF using primaries (instead of the rechargeable).
The other option is using a different 18650. After that experience though, I completely rethought my decade long faith in the Surefire brand and the idea of using rechargeables in a fighting tool in general.
@@jackjohnson291 Damn, thanks for the information, I will try different batteries and see what that does. I was also thinking of buy a different head for it to try and salvage at least part of the investment. Thanks again!
When you look at weapon lights for a pedal bike.... cuz I want a high beam, not a $20 Chinese candle.
You can do far better for far less. You’re paying for branding, marketing, firearm mounting, and extensive firearm testing that isn’t even close to necessary for a bicycle light. There are plenty of options that cater to that need specifically and focus primarily on output and candela. I hate to be that guy, but try Olight. I know they make a bicycle light but don’t know much beyond that. If candela is what you’re after (more throw instead of flood), look for something with a deep reflector like their “warrior pro” or something along those lines (assuming the dedicated bicycle light they make doesn’t meet your needs).
I own tons of Surefire lights (they used to be the be all, end all) and wouldn’t recommend them for your application. They’re not even very competitive on output and candela with their competitors, all who have to make sacrifices in the design to cater to firearm mounting and use.
I have to stop watching this channel. It's like punishment for us poors lol.
You are spillier, no you are spillier
F me! Stop shaking the damn lights!!!!!!
surefire is just so absurdly over priced for what you get and the feature set. they have contracts so they dont need the civilian market. i would never recommend one of their lights unless literally the only thing you care about it maximum durability which is only applicable basically for those contracts.
They don’t even hold maximum durability anymore. Elzetta had them whooped on that, Modlite too, as they both use fully potted electronics. Surefire is living off its name and the contracts they’re eventually going to lose for being stuck in the year 2004.
@@jackjohnson291 so true. cant stand the fanboys that mindlessly promote it