Suppressors are not guns so the law regulating them is illegal and Unconstitutional, also under Bruen they would be considered part of the barrel and no longer part of existing Regulations and current laws.
...or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration restricting the use of airbags and seat belts, or a huge tax to discourage the purchasing of bike helmets.
They restrict them because it makes it harder to locate the shooter by reducing sound and muzzle flash. If you watch the Nashville shooting body cam they went door to door of each class room looking for the shooter until they heard more gun shots then they went straight to her location. I know suppressed shots are still loud but they wouldn’t have heard it as clearly in that specific situation. I don’t agree with the restrictions but I understand their argument.
As a veteran, former Fed LEO, instructor and having used firearms for over 35 yrs…. Quality hearing protection is an absolute must ! Use a suppressor if you can. Despite using issued ear plugs and various makes of protectors, I have hearing loss. I wish I would have had access to suppressors from the beginning. Today I use a combination whenever I can. The suppressors should NOT be an NFA item. They should be promoted for use instead.
My favorite thing about suppressors is how you get to pay 5× their value and wait a year after purchase to take it home. Thanks for keeping me safe, government!
But a criminal could maybe at one point use one for crime or something. I mean, it's happened like once in the entire history of their existence, so it could happen again. We need to pass more laws that criminals will ignore because we are totally interested in preventing crime and not just infringing your rights.
Saying they are 5x the value is unfair. They are made to last a lifetime due to the NFA crap. They should be disposable accessories and cost less, but here we are. Do you want to wait 9 months for something cheap that lasts 2 months?
@@BDD8148maybe exaggerating a little, but paying $200 tax on top is f-ing nuts. Correlating them “being made to last a lifetime” due to their regulation is a stretch. Let’s not pretend that regulation and constant threat of further tightening of “rules” doesn’t have an impact on pricing in the gun world across the board. Willing to be that it mostly does not correlate in an increase in quality at a given price point.
Its hilarious that in most other countries suppressor use is mandatory, but here in the USA they make it hard as possible, $200 Tax Stamp 260-365 wait and then $500-$1500 for a suppressor, just so you can be a polite and considerate shooter.
It's simply a fleecing and greedy way the greasy corrupted government gets more of your hard earned money and that's it. Tax, tax, tax, tax. Oh, and let's just squeeze and tax tax 'em again to show 'em all we'll still break the constitution because we can just do it. Ugh! Repeal the NFA already!
Takes 2 or 3 days to transfer the tube from the manufacturer to the dealer but takes 9 months for it to get transfered to the buyer. The wait time is 100% intentional.
Actually, the dealers are considered vetted due to their license. Individuals are not vetted. So each time you buy a regulated item, you will be vetted all over again.
Before watching the vid, the 2 things I wished I knew were: 1. Get a suppressor that can be used on as many of your guns as possible. Then you can save money on buying multiple cans, AND TAX STAMPS! 2. Keep your mounting system all the same to make it cheaper and easier to swap between guns.
multi cal cans are ok... but they arent good. if you want mediocre-poor performance on many guns and that doesnt bother you, great route to take. if you want the guns to sound good, you need a caliber specific can. if you have a .46" hole at the end of your silencer, its going to do a terrible job on a .22 caliber bullet.. which so happens to be the most popular AR caliber. you are MUCH better off with 3 silencers. a .22LR silencer, a .45 pistol silencer, and a .30 cal rifle silencer at minimum.
Maximus beat me to it, I was practically going to say the exact same thing. I actually went caliber specific for my first suppressor and loved it so much that I wanted a suppressor for as many of my firearms possible so I went the multi-caliber route and the difference between multi cans and caliber specific cans is damn near night and day.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 A can like the Dead Air Sandman, you can switch from a 7.62mm end-cap to a 5.56mm end-cap. The KeyMo brake/flash hider is my go to adapter. The Xeno would be my 2nd choice.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Good points as are the other poster's. I should ad that each individual situation is different. This was stuff that applied to me. I bought mine specifically to use on a .45 pistol, but it was also a good one to use on a 10mm Vector. Luckily, I found out afterwards, that I could swap the endcap for 9mm and use it (with degraded performance) on a couple 9mm PCCs I own. Had I known that, I would've gone tri-lug from the start saving some money. If I like it, I can always get a 9mm specific can, but for now, I can save money and try it on many platforms, and I could've saved money in mounts.
Buying a suppressor is the most ridiculous process. Unless you're fortunate to have friends with cans, there's no way know its tone and suppression level with your specific gun. Then after paying a $200 extortion fee to the ATF, they hold your property hostage for the better part of a year. I'm on day 275 of waiting for the two cans I bought last July. Absolutely regarded.
move to Texas this summer, the judge is hearing a case for the second time and soon to grant judgement on it, likely allowing Texans to own made in TX silencers, or so we hope (for the 2nd time) without $200.
297 going on 298 for me. Called the NFA branch who said it was “in process” but don’t worry it will be done by day 270. Only after I did the math did I realize that call was on day 283
That’s why I think I’ll just go multi role suppressor like the 46 cal ones and possibly just get another dedicated one later on I don’t think I’ll really buy more then one
Great video as always. Fun fact, suppressors are actually exempt from the interstate transport forms required of other NFA items: "For other NFA items, “the registered owner of a destructive device, machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle needs authorization to lawfully transport such items interstate” per the ATF. If you are taking any of these items outside of your home state an ATF Form 5320.20 must be approved prior to travel."
LMAO that paperwork for the suppressors 19:10 reminds me of that Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy movie that I happened to watch on RUclips last night, for the first time in forever. The Vogon aliens were super bureaucrats and were obsessed with paperwork, when Mike was chuckling about the paperwork it made me think of that movie lol.
I called the ATF to ask about 3 I’ve been waiting on for 240 days now and she told me that they received 50,000 forms in March 2022…that alone should say these are in common use lol
@@Painfulwhale360 I believe he made a mistake with the math. His example should have the decimal for the exponent moved over, so it would be 10^3 and 10^5, respectively, as this reflects the logarithmic nature of the decibel scale. As such, from what I have read (not personally measured), an increase of 10 db is a perceived 2x amplification in sound or “loudness”
So, strictly math, 3 dB is double (energy) BUT he said “perceived “ doubling.” In essence, 3dB is probably perceived (for most people) as 1.5x but 5dB would sound “twice as loud “ even though it is in fact 3 times more energy and louder.
Suppressors make shooting more enjoyable for everyone, from the shooter, to nearby shooters and bystanders, to neighbors. There's a reason some countries require suppressors for hunting and/or on ranges. Once I shot rifles suppressed, I really only want to shoot rifles suppressed.
If a car manufacturer only sells a couple hundred thousand of a certain model in the US, it's not considered particularly successful but you can guarantee it'd still be considered to be in "common use."
I think suppressors are exempt from being declared when crossing state lines unlike other NFA items. Please check that, you may be disseminating wrong information 27:44. That being said, thank you for another great video!
Minor correction, and I could be wrong, but I think (and Silencer Shop thinks) that suppressors are not part of the group of NFA items for which you need to fill out a form and get prior approval before transporting across state lines. Per the ATF, "the registered owner of a destructive device, machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle needs authorization to lawfully transport such items interstate." Silencers are absent from this list.
I learn so much from this guy. His content is high quality and very informative. My most successful build I consulted this channel for the data I used to make decisions and I must say it is amazing!!!
Recalled this video when I decided to make the jump with some unexpected fun budget money. Suppressor technology has changed so much since the 80s, 90s and I have precious little experience with civilian market cans. This is was helpful to me in making the most appropriate choice for this long and expensive process.
Regarding flow through silencers another benefit to having less gas in your firearm action is you also get less gas in your face. Sig's hybrid flow through designs came from the Army requirement that the required suppressor part of the NGSW rifle not push any more gas to the shooter than the same rifle unsuppressed. The Army considers such gasses toxic and wanted to reduce soldier exposure to the lead and other chemicals typically present in such gasses. Even if it weren't toxic getting hot gas in the face while shooting tends to make your eyes tear up (most people would also visibly flinch) making it harder to see what you're doing. Both flinching and obscured vision are highly undesirable in combat.
Been waiting for an awesome video like this! Even your old 300blackout barrel video was amazing! Was a shame when that got taken down! Great video content! Have been watching for years! Keep up the good work!
I think the funniest thing about those scary items specially regulated under the NFA, in most cases reduce the potential lethality of a firearm. Putting a suppressor on a firearm or shortening the barrel of a rifle or shotgun all reduce the velocity of the projectile, directly reducing the force of impact when the round strikes its target
Great video, lots of really good info! Holy crap, 70 cans! I can just see that setup now. "Honey, where's the wheelbarrow?" "Why do you need it?" "I need to take all my silencers out to the dock!" "Oh, is today the day you lose them in a boating accident?" "No, it's for a video!"
Yeah, the term suppressor came up in the 80ies when the American Silencer Association changed name to make it seem less scary. Also it doesn't suppress either. A more correct term would be muffler, something the silencer inventor, Maxim, also invented for cars.
I think integral suppressors would be the next major step in firearms development, except that our "laws" are holding us back. Meanwhile, I would like to own a suppressor, but I know better than to register anything with a government agency known to reverse decisions on what it enforces for the sole purpose of entrapment.
It's not a next step. BATF already bans suppressor barrels without a tax stamp. You would be shocked at how many dead ends they set up. It took me years reading through patents and gun laws to find a solution to feeding a 6000rpm gun, and to make a pistol shoot as fast as a glock 18 without breaking their damn rules. I like the FRT trigger idea, went an entirely different approach myself, but wont sell them, since they can't ban what they don't know about. Once they disband the ATF, i'll market it. Makes a great week side carry piece. Where your finger isn't as well suited for the break.
Just want to thank you for all of your videos and reviews... So informative and also straight to the point. If there is ever a question I have about a firearms related product or concept, you have a video on it and ALWAYS an answer or opinion on the question I have. Amazing.
Ive heard multiple times suppressor dont require the ATF notification to travel across state lines, even if you move from one state where theyre legal to another state theyre legal. I even had a SOT tell me I was wrong, he spent about 30 mins researching it and said there was actually no definitive answer to that.
If the state does not ban suppressors no ATF notification is required, only 9-states do not allow suppressors, all 9 are Communist by the way. ATF Form 5320.20 only applied to SBR's, SBS, Machine Guns, and other weapons when moving them between state lines.
You can travel without notification. They do want you to notify them of any permanent address changes though. It actually says this on the form 4. In the information section.
Thank you so much, I hope they finally go off the registry, and they can be common use.because it looks like a lot of fun. I ordered mine and I’m waiting for mine to show up. Thanks again
Just FYI if you sign up for Silencer Shop emails they have “free” tax stamp offers all the time. I’ve bought 8 suppressors through their process. Always easy, some times they take 8 months, sometimes 4. But whatever, they’re still relatively easy to get if your just patient.
“Common use” for arms, according to the SCOTUS decision Caetano v Massachusetts is somewhere around 200,000 in use for lawful purposes. The problem is, and I could see the ATF making this argument is that suppressors are not banned they are simply “restricted.”
Hey buddy great videos I've watched them for years and I've learned so much. Just one critique, because I've heard you say it in numerous videos. If the notes are for you and not the audience then why not center yourself in the shot, nice water and geese in the background and you can still use your notes just out of shot. I'm sure you have a reason but I think about I every time you mention your notes. Great videos, thank you!
The "fight" seemed relatively minor and the video starts well into the middle of it, providing no context. I still never liked crowder though. I never trust Canadians.
I can build a decibel meter myself for much less. The governing factor is a clock rate that is fast enough to catch the sound similar to a high speed camera. More samples per second. I could build a reliable decibel meter for maybe $300 max. Only because chips are pricey atm.
These need to be bought as easy as ear protection. I just went shooting yesterday and keep thinking how nice it would be to own a suppressor. And the price should go down on them if more companies can join the market. Competition will drive price down and supply will increase
Hey Mike, would you please do a video a video on SME’s ….or blast forward devices. They are non nfa items and are way less expensive. I know they aren’t quite, but apparently some of them are hearing safe to the shooter
they are garbage. theres your video. a silencer isnt that expensive nor is it hard to get with silencershop... takes 5 min and then you just wait a bit
The 140 dB limit is not once per week. There is no set duration between exposures. You are probably confusing that with the PEL (Permissible Exposure Limit), which is capped at a time-weighted average of 90 dB for a 40 hour work week.
I really want to get a couple (for my hunting rifle and one for my ARs) but refuse to go on that NFA registry. And silencers are about 3x more expensive than they should be.
I’m sure this is a stupid question, but are suppressor calibers universal? As in, if I buy a 30cal suppressor, is it safe for 300 blackout, 300 win mag, 30-30, 30-06, 308, 7.62, etc?
Yes for the most part. Anything the bore size or smaller. Some exceptions being not all cans are rated for all pressures or full auto. It might not be durable enough for 300 win mag or full auto 30-06. Also some silencers are not recommended for shorter barrels so check the manufacturers info.
Coming from audio side of things my understanding of db is it is a doubling. It is Logarithmic and the 3db=2x2db / 4db=2x3db / 5db=2x4db and so forth so on.
I find silencers a waste of time. I own 4, there are benifits if you want a lot of gas in your face or the end of the barrel to be heavy. The only time the cans i have seem to be effective is when you reduce the load, then you may as well use a 22 and i think they are quieter. To be fair my cans are all 1980s vintage. In my opinion its about supporting the atf and why do i have to wait after i already own 1 or more? I could understand the extensive background check for the 1st one but any after that?
wait so which one do I have to buy in order for it to only make that little whistle/queef sound? That's how these work, right? The movie industry made promises and the gun industry is gonna have to pick up that tab!
The irony is that if I had dumped headers on an American muscle car, it would be illegal in the states that ban suppressors/silencers, and they would tell me I need to put a muffler on it. Which is the exact same thing (at the risk of over simplification.)
How about when i buy a suppressor that is fabricated in my state, is bought and sold in my state, and never leaves my state? Why is it then a federal issue? As you said, its a pipe.
A comparison as to the actual efficiency of different types (and similar types but different manufacturers) would be something to include rather than blah, blah, blah about the paperwork. ATF personnel are willing to explain the paperwork needed. As an aside, in my 40+, as an FFL 07 mfg., years of dealing with the ATF I have found the 'working' ATF employees are very pleasant and helpful.
I have made many silencers for my weapons vz58 But the sound It remained high Only the sound of the sound wave generated by the explosion is cut off, meaning that you hear the sound of the bullet when it penetrates the air after it exits This means that the sound has become muffled, but it is not what is required, as I do with 9mm rifles. I only hear the parts of the weapon moving, but there is no sound of the explosion.
As a 25 year old with likely permanent hearing damage please take care of your shit, you have no idea how much hearing damage affects you until it happens. I've had a lot of bullshit going on in my life the past few years and been stressed to the max (I'm not saying the stress is justified but it is what it is) so when I had new upstairs neighbors move in 3 years or so ago I started wearing headphones pretty much the entire time I was home because the neighbors were loud as hell and the complex did nothing no matter what me or my friend/roommate did, we moved out when the lease was up then I got a few month break at my new place and boom exact same thing happens so I basically have damage or at least Tinnitus from wearing headphones at high or max volume for around 2-3 years almost everyday. Then in late July I got really sick with really weird and severe cold and flu symptoms (not the c word) and decided not to go to the doctor for several days until 2am one night when what had been fairly bad head pain for a couple days turned into severe ear pain and loss of hearing in my left ear, the ER doctor said it was a ruptured eardrum and gave me a painkiller so strong he didn't want to give it to me because he didn't think I would be safe drive and in reality it barely took the edge off the pain and I had to go back the next day for more and he wouldn't even prescribe me more of those and instead gave me codeine and tylenol tabs that I had to take more than 3 times the daily dosage he prescribed me along with advil and more tylenol just to sleep. My ear actually hadn't fully ruptured yet until an hour or so after I got back to the hotel and then it burst with bloody watery fluid and continued to drain CONSTANTLY like the the point I had to keep cotton or toilet paper in my ear 24/7 for weeks otherwise it would start dripping on my shoulder after a few minutes. The entire time from right before it burst to as I am typing this right now I've had severe Tinnitus so the point its definitely effecting my sleep and that effect hasn't decreased much. I also had severe intermittent dizziness, eye, and balance issues where I would think I was good to drive then randomly have to pull over and it was in full force for well over a month and pretty much all of those still exist to an extent now 3 months later but they happen less often with less severity. Also the tinnitus and hearing loss seemed to also happen to my right ear even though it was my left that burst. I would say I probably still only have around 30% functional hearing in that ear but its hard to say because the ringing is so loud in my left ear that it sort of overrides my right ear so even if someone is talking on my right side I will still have a hard time hearing them if its in a remotely loud environment, its just crazy so just protect yourselves
That’s backwards, apply for the form 1 & get the stamp then build the can. You also have to build them from scratch now, no more kits. So unless you own or have access to a lathe & mill buying a form 4 can is the only option for now.
Doesn’t a suppressor reduce flash signature more than the noise? In addition to noise reduction I would think reducing signature of your muzzle blast is a key advantage in a gun fight…..
What kinda gun fight you talking about ? Combat on a battlefield? Don't think it would matter much for typical self/home defense. If anything the noise might work to your advantage. People hear gunshots the cops come fast. Which if you're the victim you would want. I've fired a gun one time in self defense. A 9mm handgun. A vicious Rottwieler was attacking me and my 8 month old was in a chest Carrier I was wearing while on a walk. My son didn't even wake up from his nap. And i didn't even notice the noise at all there was so much adrenaline. Auditory exclusion is a real thing.
#1 - They are needlessly regulated.
#2 - Their regulation is a "suppression" of our rights.
Absolutely!
Don't let them silence you.
The ATF regulating suppressors is no different than banning ear protection.
It's worse. Hearing protection can only help the person wearing it, a suppressor helps everyone.
Suppressors are not guns so the law regulating them is illegal and Unconstitutional, also under Bruen they would be considered part of the barrel and no longer part of existing Regulations and current laws.
...or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration restricting the use of airbags and seat belts, or a huge tax to discourage the purchasing of bike helmets.
Don't give them any ideas
They restrict them because it makes it harder to locate the shooter by reducing sound and muzzle flash. If you watch the Nashville shooting body cam they went door to door of each class room looking for the shooter until they heard more gun shots then they went straight to her location. I know suppressed shots are still loud but they wouldn’t have heard it as clearly in that specific situation. I don’t agree with the restrictions but I understand their argument.
As a veteran, former Fed LEO, instructor and having used firearms for over 35 yrs…. Quality hearing protection is an absolute must ! Use a suppressor if you can. Despite using issued ear plugs and various makes of protectors, I have hearing loss. I wish I would have had access to suppressors from the beginning. Today I use a combination whenever I can. The suppressors should NOT be an NFA item. They should be promoted for use instead.
Exactly! I also have hearing loss and wish I had been more careful with my hearing by using multiple devices to protect it.
It’s the federal LEO’s who enforce these idiotic federal laws.
My favorite thing about suppressors is how you get to pay 5× their value and wait a year after purchase to take it home. Thanks for keeping me safe, government!
Fighting RUclips priceless.
But a criminal could maybe at one point use one for crime or something. I mean, it's happened like once in the entire history of their existence, so it could happen again. We need to pass more laws that criminals will ignore because we are totally interested in preventing crime and not just infringing your rights.
Have you seen how a huxwrx is made?
Saying they are 5x the value is unfair. They are made to last a lifetime due to the NFA crap. They should be disposable accessories and cost less, but here we are. Do you want to wait 9 months for something cheap that lasts 2 months?
@@BDD8148maybe exaggerating a little, but paying $200 tax on top is f-ing nuts. Correlating them “being made to last a lifetime” due to their regulation is a stretch. Let’s not pretend that regulation and constant threat of further tightening of “rules” doesn’t have an impact on pricing in the gun world across the board. Willing to be that it mostly does not correlate in an increase in quality at a given price point.
Its hilarious that in most other countries suppressor use is mandatory, but here in the USA they make it hard as possible, $200 Tax Stamp 260-365 wait and then $500-$1500 for a suppressor, just so you can be a polite and considerate shooter.
Yep, and you'll get a ticket, if you remove the muffler from your car, truck, or motorcycle.
It's simply a fleecing and greedy way the greasy corrupted government gets more of your hard earned money and that's it. Tax, tax, tax, tax. Oh, and let's just squeeze and tax tax 'em again to show 'em all we'll still break the constitution because we can just do it.
Ugh! Repeal the NFA already!
If weak conservative cucks are gonna keep paying the tax stamp then why change it?
The $200 tax is nothing. In 1930s dollars it was roughly $4000. Imagine buying a suppressor and paying 8x for the stamp. Life is good
@@gregentclemory9285still unconstitutional, and theft
Takes 2 or 3 days to transfer the tube from the manufacturer to the dealer but takes 9 months for it to get transfered to the buyer. The wait time is 100% intentional.
*1000%
Actually, the dealers are considered vetted due to their license. Individuals are not vetted. So each time you buy a regulated item, you will be vetted all over again.
@@talisikid1618 your mom will get vetted all over again
@@palpichulo6969 typical redneck stupidity. You’re the perfect example of why the left wants to ban them in the first place. A senseless fool.
12 months for me. Already on month 10 for my second one
Before watching the vid, the 2 things I wished I knew were: 1. Get a suppressor that can be used on as many of your guns as possible. Then you can save money on buying multiple cans, AND TAX STAMPS! 2. Keep your mounting system all the same to make it cheaper and easier to swap between guns.
multi cal cans are ok... but they arent good. if you want mediocre-poor performance on many guns and that doesnt bother you, great route to take. if you want the guns to sound good, you need a caliber specific can. if you have a .46" hole at the end of your silencer, its going to do a terrible job on a .22 caliber bullet.. which so happens to be the most popular AR caliber.
you are MUCH better off with 3 silencers. a .22LR silencer, a .45 pistol silencer, and a .30 cal rifle silencer at minimum.
Maximus beat me to it, I was practically going to say the exact same thing. I actually went caliber specific for my first suppressor and loved it so much that I wanted a suppressor for as many of my firearms possible so I went the multi-caliber route and the difference between multi cans and caliber specific cans is damn near night and day.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 A can like the Dead Air Sandman, you can switch from a 7.62mm end-cap to a 5.56mm end-cap. The KeyMo brake/flash hider is my go to adapter. The Xeno would be my 2nd choice.
@@brucestarr4438me too!
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Good points as are the other poster's. I should ad that each individual situation is different. This was stuff that applied to me. I bought mine specifically to use on a .45 pistol, but it was also a good one to use on a 10mm Vector. Luckily, I found out afterwards, that I could swap the endcap for 9mm and use it (with degraded performance) on a couple 9mm PCCs I own. Had I known that, I would've gone tri-lug from the start saving some money. If I like it, I can always get a 9mm specific can, but for now, I can save money and try it on many platforms, and I could've saved money in mounts.
Buying a suppressor is the most ridiculous process. Unless you're fortunate to have friends with cans, there's no way know its tone and suppression level with your specific gun. Then after paying a $200 extortion fee to the ATF, they hold your property hostage for the better part of a year. I'm on day 275 of waiting for the two cans I bought last July. Absolutely regarded.
all true
move to Texas this summer, the judge is hearing a case for the second time and soon to grant judgement on it, likely allowing Texans to own made in TX silencers, or so we hope (for the 2nd time) without $200.
@@Mrgunsngear some European countries you walk in, buy over the counter and walk out with it , our politicians blow. TERM LIMITS
297 going on 298 for me. Called the NFA branch who said it was “in process” but don’t worry it will be done by day 270. Only after I did the math did I realize that call was on day 283
That’s why I think I’ll just go multi role suppressor like the 46 cal ones and possibly just get another dedicated one later on I don’t think I’ll really buy more then one
Great video as always. Fun fact, suppressors are actually exempt from the interstate transport forms required of other NFA items: "For other NFA items, “the registered owner of a destructive device, machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle needs authorization to lawfully transport such items interstate” per the ATF. If you are taking any of these items outside of your home state an ATF Form 5320.20 must be approved prior to travel."
Why do I suspect that is the one law they will ignore if you travel out of Texas with your suppressor.
LMAO that paperwork for the suppressors 19:10 reminds me of that Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy movie that I happened to watch on RUclips last night, for the first time in forever. The Vogon aliens were super bureaucrats and were obsessed with paperwork, when Mike was chuckling about the paperwork it made me think of that movie lol.
I am so making a meme about that ..good call!
I called the ATF to ask about 3 I’ve been waiting on for 240 days now and she told me that they received 50,000 forms in March 2022…that alone should say these are in common use lol
a 3 db increase is very, very close to a doubling perceived sound volume. The math: 10^0.3 = 1.9953 = ~2. A 5 db increase is 10^0.5 = 3.1623 increase.
I thought every 10db higher it doubles in sound volume? Is that not correct?
@@Painfulwhale360 I believe he made a mistake with the math. His example should have the decimal for the exponent moved over, so it would be 10^3 and 10^5, respectively, as this reflects the logarithmic nature of the decibel scale.
As such, from what I have read (not personally measured), an increase of 10 db is a perceived 2x amplification in sound or “loudness”
So, strictly math, 3 dB is double (energy) BUT he said “perceived “ doubling.” In essence, 3dB is probably perceived (for most people) as 1.5x but 5dB would sound “twice as loud “ even though it is in fact 3 times more energy and louder.
@@Painfulwhale360 10dB represents a change by 10x.
Suppressors make shooting more enjoyable for everyone, from the shooter, to nearby shooters and bystanders, to neighbors. There's a reason some countries require suppressors for hunting and/or on ranges. Once I shot rifles suppressed, I really only want to shoot rifles suppressed.
Yea, like my 18" diameter, 4 foot long suppressor will make the gun easily concealable.
Stun guns were considered "common use" at 200,000 units in public hands. There are over 800,000 suppressors/silencers.
the atf goes through about 50,000 forms a week assuming only 10% of those are form 4s, thats over 260,000 a year on the LOWEST END
@@zm178610%??????????? i hope you are joking
If a car manufacturer only sells a couple hundred thousand of a certain model in the US, it's not considered particularly successful but you can guarantee it'd still be considered to be in "common use."
I think suppressors are exempt from being declared when crossing state lines unlike other NFA items. Please check that, you may be disseminating wrong information 27:44. That being said, thank you for another great video!
Minor correction, and I could be wrong, but I think (and Silencer Shop thinks) that suppressors are not part of the group of NFA items for which you need to fill out a form and get prior approval before transporting across state lines. Per the ATF, "the registered owner of a destructive device, machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle needs authorization to lawfully transport such items interstate." Silencers are absent from this list.
I learn so much from this guy. His content is high quality and very informative. My most successful build I consulted this channel for the data I used to make decisions and I must say it is amazing!!!
Recalled this video when I decided to make the jump with some unexpected fun budget money. Suppressor technology has changed so much since the 80s, 90s and I have precious little experience with civilian market cans. This is was helpful to me in making the most appropriate choice for this long and expensive process.
This channel and it's intentions are so beneficial to our country.
Regarding flow through silencers another benefit to having less gas in your firearm action is you also get less gas in your face. Sig's hybrid flow through designs came from the Army requirement that the required suppressor part of the NGSW rifle not push any more gas to the shooter than the same rifle unsuppressed. The Army considers such gasses toxic and wanted to reduce soldier exposure to the lead and other chemicals typically present in such gasses. Even if it weren't toxic getting hot gas in the face while shooting tends to make your eyes tear up (most people would also visibly flinch) making it harder to see what you're doing. Both flinching and obscured vision are highly undesirable in combat.
Thanks for the thoughts. 👍
I have to say. Best explanation of the rules out here. Thank you.
Been waiting for an awesome video like this! Even your old 300blackout barrel video was amazing! Was a shame when that got taken down! Great video content! Have been watching for years! Keep up the good work!
Timely for me right now. Deciding on #3 right now. You are the man yet again, Mike.
I would really like to have a suppressor but my conscious just won't let me send a $200 check to the ATF.
NFA is unconstitutional!
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They take card...😅
I simply will not do it specifically for that reason.
Y’all do t know what you’re missing. Hunting with a can is Amat!!!
grammar police: conscience
I think the funniest thing about those scary items specially regulated under the NFA, in most cases reduce the potential lethality of a firearm. Putting a suppressor on a firearm or shortening the barrel of a rifle or shotgun all reduce the velocity of the projectile, directly reducing the force of impact when the round strikes its target
Happy you’re on Mug Club.
Ditto
Interesting point on the registry, and great video! I used your how to build guide as well, and it sucks that youtube keeps bashing you down.
Love the white board with red ink on a bright and sunny day, makes it really easy to see and read 😅
Great video, lots of really good info! Holy crap, 70 cans! I can just see that setup now.
"Honey, where's the wheelbarrow?"
"Why do you need it?"
"I need to take all my silencers out to the dock!"
"Oh, is today the day you lose them in a boating accident?"
"No, it's for a video!"
Looking for all the comments rolling in saying, “it’s a suppressor, not a silencer!” The inventor himself patented and called it a silencer.
Correct
It’s a WHISPER PICKLE
@@DaveL9170 quiet cucumber.
Yeah, the term suppressor came up in the 80ies when the American Silencer Association changed name to make it seem less scary.
Also it doesn't suppress either. A more correct term would be muffler, something the silencer inventor, Maxim, also invented for cars.
"Silencer" is also the term used in US law.
I think integral suppressors would be the next major step in firearms development, except that our "laws" are holding us back. Meanwhile, I would like to own a suppressor, but I know better than to register anything with a government agency known to reverse decisions on what it enforces for the sole purpose of entrapment.
It's not a next step. BATF already bans suppressor barrels without a tax stamp.
You would be shocked at how many dead ends they set up. It took me years reading through patents and gun laws to find a solution to feeding a 6000rpm gun, and to make a pistol shoot as fast as a glock 18 without breaking their damn rules.
I like the FRT trigger idea, went an entirely different approach myself, but wont sell them, since they can't ban what they don't know about.
Once they disband the ATF, i'll market it. Makes a great week side carry piece. Where your finger isn't as well suited for the break.
Already done: HK MP5SD is awesome, but a 2 stamper!
Just want to thank you for all of your videos and reviews... So informative and also straight to the point. If there is ever a question I have about a firearms related product or concept, you have a video on it and ALWAYS an answer or opinion on the question I have. Amazing.
How many of your video props (silencers, guns, lights) have you accidentally knock off the dock into the lake?
Lol I have thought the same. I wonder if he has something down there to catch things that fall so they don't end up in the lake.
He purposely knocks stuff in there all the time.
Lake level is up 4"since he started doing these...
If ATF can have ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY.... I THINK CONSTITUTION AS WRITTEN CONSERVATIVES SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY.. ?
The American people have WAY too much tolerance for this crap. That's why we get stomped on.
@@col.cottonhill6655 FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE ,, OK,,,, ZERO TOLERANCE, WRITTEN CONSTITUTION OR BUST. NO MORE, NO LESS.
Really great info. Especially for folks like me who are new to suppressors.
Gracias gun Amigo Guy!👍🏻
Time to repeal the NFA as it's against the law of the land
So flow threw would be good if you don't have adjustable gas block? As to not effect the firearms pressure so much
absolutely
Awesome!!! Content as always
Hey bro.
Love your stuff
Good info for the masses. Thank you for putting the video together. Question, will you be doing a review on the integerally suppresed Radical?
Ive heard multiple times suppressor dont require the ATF notification to travel across state lines, even if you move from one state where theyre legal to another state theyre legal. I even had a SOT tell me I was wrong, he spent about 30 mins researching it and said there was actually no definitive answer to that.
If the state does not ban suppressors no ATF notification is required, only 9-states do not allow suppressors, all 9 are Communist by the way. ATF Form 5320.20 only applied to SBR's, SBS, Machine Guns, and other weapons when moving them between state lines.
You can travel without notification.
They do want you to notify them of any permanent address changes though. It actually says this on the form 4. In the information section.
so buy a suppressor in Texas and travel across state lines.
Thank you so much, I hope they finally go off the registry, and they can be common use.because it looks like a lot of fun. I ordered mine and I’m waiting for mine to show up. Thanks again
Excellent info for the novice! Thank you.
Just FYI if you sign up for Silencer Shop emails they have “free” tax stamp offers all the time. I’ve bought 8 suppressors through their process. Always easy, some times they take 8 months, sometimes 4. But whatever, they’re still relatively easy to get if your just patient.
Are their prices good? What should I get for a Glock 21 .45?
My next suppressor will 1000% be a flow through. The flow556 is just fantastic.
Going to test the new hux today!
When I was in the Marine corps in the eighties over in Europe. It was considered rude if you were to buy a hunting rifle without a Suppressor.
“Common use” for arms, according to the SCOTUS decision Caetano v Massachusetts is somewhere around 200,000 in use for lawful purposes. The problem is, and I could see the ATF making this argument is that suppressors are not banned they are simply “restricted.”
I like the fact that Teddy and Hiram became good friends. I think Teddy was the only president to hunt with a suppressor.
Hey buddy great videos I've watched them for years and I've learned so much. Just one critique, because I've heard you say it in numerous videos. If the notes are for you and not the audience then why not center yourself in the shot, nice water and geese in the background and you can still use your notes just out of shot. I'm sure you have a reason but I think about I every time you mention your notes. Great videos, thank you!
What about moving with an NFA item? I'm not clear on that process. Arent you supposed to mail a letter saying you moved? Asking for a friend
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"Everything You Need To Know About CANS!" Sweeet! ...yes I am a child, lol
Gotta say that kicking off a partnership with Steven Crowder's company today is extremely unfortunate timing lol
Sheeesh I had to go look that shit up.
Yeah, hope he get’s his life in order… Not an overnight fix.
Meh who cares. Divorces happen couples fight.
The "fight" seemed relatively minor and the video starts well into the middle of it, providing no context. I still never liked crowder though. I never trust Canadians.
@@emmanuelgoldstein3682 ?
Been missing the videos lately, glad to see the channel in my feed again
Now the USMC does a Study! Brilliant... but I am now almost completely DEAF!
LMAO... the damn VC don't use Silencers!
We hear in increments of 3dB. 9dB is twice as loud, not 5dB. Credentialed audio engineer here.
If you bought a gun from an ffl, you're on a digital searchable list. NFA registry isn't any worse apart from the $200 fee. Use suppressors
Should the forced air flow be a ratio of the gas flow?
Should I vent it into the adjacent can, or into opposite can for more expansion room?
3db is the amount for a doubling of sound pressure; 10db is the amount for a sound to be perceived “twice as loud” by the human ear.
God Bless You for being on Mug Club and Rumble!!!
I can build a decibel meter myself for much less. The governing factor is a clock rate that is fast enough to catch the sound similar to a high speed camera. More samples per second. I could build a reliable decibel meter for maybe $300 max. Only because chips are pricey atm.
Finished updating my trust, scheduled for digital prints this week. Think it might be a quiet Christmas this year.
Thanks for comprehensive chat. I posted a link to the Texas Gun Talk forum for our discussion on suppressors.
Very informative stuff, thanks
These need to be bought as easy as ear protection. I just went shooting yesterday and keep thinking how nice it would be to own a suppressor. And the price should go down on them if more companies can join the market. Competition will drive price down and supply will increase
Am I understanding correctly; even if we build our own suppressor, we still have to register with the castopo (ATF)?
So can you pin and weld a suppressor to a short barreled AR to legally equip a stock?
Hey Mike, would you please do a video a video on SME’s ….or blast forward devices. They are non nfa items and are way less expensive. I know they aren’t quite, but apparently some of them are hearing safe to the shooter
This absolutely needs to happen. Willys or mikes sme is basically a can with holes in the baffles
they are garbage. theres your video. a silencer isnt that expensive nor is it hard to get with silencershop... takes 5 min and then you just wait a bit
Mug club? What happened to using WPSN?
The 140 dB limit is not once per week. There is no set duration between exposures. You are probably confusing that with the PEL (Permissible Exposure Limit), which is capped at a time-weighted average of 90 dB for a 40 hour work week.
I was wondering why you were laughing, Mike!
Thought the camera person might be dancing naked. Well it could be!!!
Great vid. Thanks...
"Conjugal visit"! LOL That is so... accurate.
Form 20 does not have to be filled out for Suppressors or AOW when crossing state lines.
How 'bout a vid on 'Blast Forwarding Devices'? Huxwurx's Blastphemy, Strike Industries' Oppressor etc..
I really want to get a couple (for my hunting rifle and one for my ARs) but refuse to go on that NFA registry. And silencers are about 3x more expensive than they should be.
Wish this video had chapter markers as there was a lot of info here I didn't need and just wanted to jump to the topics I wanted to hear about
Dude thanks for the infomation. SUPER helpful
I’m sure this is a stupid question, but are suppressor calibers universal?
As in, if I buy a 30cal suppressor, is it safe for 300 blackout, 300 win mag, 30-30, 30-06, 308, 7.62, etc?
Yes for the most part. Anything the bore size or smaller. Some exceptions being not all cans are rated for all pressures or full auto. It might not be durable enough for 300 win mag or full auto 30-06. Also some silencers are not recommended for shorter barrels so check the manufacturers info.
What shooting tripod do you use?
Welcome to mug club!
Excellent video. Very educational.
just bought my first suppressor. Love em....
Coming from audio side of things my understanding of db is it is a doubling. It is Logarithmic and the 3db=2x2db / 4db=2x3db / 5db=2x4db and so forth so on.
i don't hear the ring anymore when i shoot 556 i do wear earpro now though thankfully i don't have tinnitus
Ok so I'm settling this now. It is a "whisper pickle"! Done.
I find silencers a waste of time. I own 4, there are benifits if you want a lot of gas in your face or the end of the barrel to be heavy. The only time the cans i have seem to be effective is when you reduce the load, then you may as well use a 22 and i think they are quieter. To be fair my cans are all 1980s vintage. In my opinion its about supporting the atf and why do i have to wait after i already own 1 or more? I could understand the extensive background check for the 1st one but any after that?
What the sliver suppressor in the picture?
I’d like to know too. That and the smallest on the right end.
wait so which one do I have to buy in order for it to only make that little whistle/queef sound? That's how these work, right?
The movie industry made promises and the gun industry is gonna have to pick up that tab!
The irony is that if I had dumped headers on an American muscle car, it would be illegal in the states that ban suppressors/silencers, and they would tell me I need to put a muffler on it. Which is the exact same thing (at the risk of over simplification.)
I'm here to learn. Lay some knowledge on me brother!
How about when i buy a suppressor that is fabricated in my state, is bought and sold in my state, and never leaves my state? Why is it then a federal issue?
As you said, its a pipe.
A comparison as to the actual efficiency of different types (and similar types but different manufacturers) would be something to include rather than blah, blah, blah about the paperwork. ATF personnel are willing to explain the paperwork needed.
As an aside, in my 40+, as an FFL 07 mfg., years of dealing with the ATF I have found the 'working' ATF employees are very pleasant and helpful.
I have made many silencers for my weapons vz58 But the sound It remained high Only the sound of the sound wave generated by the explosion is cut off, meaning that you hear the sound of the bullet when it penetrates the air after it exits This means that the sound has become muffled, but it is not what is required, as I do with 9mm rifles. I only hear the parts of the weapon moving, but there is no sound of the explosion.
Suppressor regulations are absolutely absurd how is this still happening in 2023??
I thought there used to be something called a wet suppressor that used some kind of oiled baffle material internally - are those no longer a thing?
As a 25 year old with likely permanent hearing damage please take care of your shit, you have no idea how much hearing damage affects you until it happens. I've had a lot of bullshit going on in my life the past few years and been stressed to the max (I'm not saying the stress is justified but it is what it is) so when I had new upstairs neighbors move in 3 years or so ago I started wearing headphones pretty much the entire time I was home because the neighbors were loud as hell and the complex did nothing no matter what me or my friend/roommate did, we moved out when the lease was up then I got a few month break at my new place and boom exact same thing happens so I basically have damage or at least Tinnitus from wearing headphones at high or max volume for around 2-3 years almost everyday.
Then in late July I got really sick with really weird and severe cold and flu symptoms (not the c word) and decided not to go to the doctor for several days until 2am one night when what had been fairly bad head pain for a couple days turned into severe ear pain and loss of hearing in my left ear, the ER doctor said it was a ruptured eardrum and gave me a painkiller so strong he didn't want to give it to me because he didn't think I would be safe drive and in reality it barely took the edge off the pain and I had to go back the next day for more and he wouldn't even prescribe me more of those and instead gave me codeine and tylenol tabs that I had to take more than 3 times the daily dosage he prescribed me along with advil and more tylenol just to sleep. My ear actually hadn't fully ruptured yet until an hour or so after I got back to the hotel and then it burst with bloody watery fluid and continued to drain CONSTANTLY like the the point I had to keep cotton or toilet paper in my ear 24/7 for weeks otherwise it would start dripping on my shoulder after a few minutes. The entire time from right before it burst to as I am typing this right now I've had severe Tinnitus so the point its definitely effecting my sleep and that effect hasn't decreased much. I also had severe intermittent dizziness, eye, and balance issues where I would think I was good to drive then randomly have to pull over and it was in full force for well over a month and pretty much all of those still exist to an extent now 3 months later but they happen less often with less severity. Also the tinnitus and hearing loss seemed to also happen to my right ear even though it was my left that burst.
I would say I probably still only have around 30% functional hearing in that ear but its hard to say because the ringing is so loud in my left ear that it sort of overrides my right ear so even if someone is talking on my right side I will still have a hard time hearing them if its in a remotely loud environment, its just crazy so just protect yourselves
Build a suppressor. Then form 1 it. Your video helped a few of my buddies
That’s backwards, apply for the form 1 & get the stamp then build the can. You also have to build them from scratch now, no more kits. So unless you own or have access to a lathe & mill buying a form 4 can is the only option for now.
@@donewithmodernlife doesn’t matter what way you do it. You’re still covered always by 2A. Do whatever you want!
Doesn’t a suppressor reduce flash signature more than the noise? In addition to noise reduction I would think reducing signature of your muzzle blast is a key advantage in a gun fight…..
What kinda gun fight you talking about ? Combat on a battlefield? Don't think it would matter much for typical self/home defense. If anything the noise might work to your advantage. People hear gunshots the cops come fast. Which if you're the victim you would want.
I've fired a gun one time in self defense. A 9mm handgun. A vicious Rottwieler was attacking me and my 8 month old was in a chest Carrier I was wearing while on a walk.
My son didn't even wake up from his nap. And i didn't even notice the noise at all there was so much adrenaline. Auditory exclusion is a real thing.
Usually less recoil as well.
@@col.cottonhill6655 combat, in home or self defense you are 100% right
I purchased an RC2 in august 2022.. still waiting for my tax stamp almost 9 months later
Original patent was filed as a "silencer" and that's why they are called silencers. Suppressor or can is acceptable.
And sound moderator or muffler would be more accurate. It doesn't suppress the sound any more than it silences it.