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@@darkcloud6888I’m definitely an ICE guy, but I’m surrounded by Electric car owners in my area and have maybe seen one dead on the side of the road in the past Decade. Again, not advocating for them, but this isn’t really a common occurrence as owners drive the accordingly to their strengths and weaknesses.
That exhaust simulation will be the perfect start to my day after I wake up in my pod that I don't own, finish my breakfast of bugs, and check my social credit score to make sure I am authorized to access public space that day.
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After all the electrical issues I experienced with a 2012 jeep, an '07 caliber and an '07 jeep, I can't imagine a full electric Mopar being anything but an electrical nightmare. But, I guess that's part of the new normal.
The new normal will be the death of US auto sales. They will next tax gasoline to the point where we are forced to buy electric vehicles. Just like they did to smokers to force them to quit.
And just 200# off the full size crew cab base dual motor awd Ford lightning with similar hp tq and battery sizes. Wonder which one will cost more? I can get a lightning new under 48k near me after the tax credit&discounts. 😀👍🏻
@@rks-bh6tb hey now the dark horses are hefty porkers to now most ive seen tested weighed over 4,000#😅 I've got a friend with a 2020 gt500 optioned up with fuel but empty inside it weighs over 4,300#
Tesla model plaid is heavier then a hellcat and it keeps up with Bugattis and other hyper cars and it’s a family four door sedan I’m a fan of EV and ice vehicles but y’all underestimate ev quite a lot
@@MALIK-fk1rz I didn’t say it’s beating hyper cars or gaping them I said keeping up with them the car dose 0-60 in 2.3 sec and it’s big ass heavy sedan so my point still stands and I want whatever you’re smoking
No way it costs that much and there are ALWAYS dealers that do MSRP & lower. Soft brains pay markup. Intelligent people do the work and enjoy the advantages of dealers
Not sure why my comment keeps getting deleted but: The discontinuation of the Hemi V8 will be studied in business schools for decades to come as a textbook case in how to accomplish corporate self-destruction.
@nothingtoseaheardammit Maybe but I doubt it. In the current regulatory climate it cost Stellantis literally hundreds of millions to buy carbon credits (purchased from Tesla) so they could make and sell Hemis. If they would have had a brain in their heads they would have developed a 4L DOHC V8 twin-turbo that could have met standards -- then they would still have a V8. They had years of profits selling Hemis to plan for the future but they were too dumb and too greedy.
@@Powersproductions130 The fact that you said "soccer mom" and "car" in the same sentence, means you don't know any. For the soccer-mom crowd, it's either a crossover, a SUV, or--horrors--a minivan. A sedan? You must be crazy. Dude, pay better attention around you.
They basically give up for what they do best which are the Hemi v8s to what they do worse. This car will never be faster than the Tesla's and probably will never be faster or better than any of the China made EVs @@DavidElCid300
I love how they introduced EVs just in time for the EV market to fall flat on its face, the styling and interior design is a pleasant surprise but just real poor timing on launching it as an EV.
Oh yeah because It was super viable paying billions to buy EPA credits from Tesla to offset the emissions of the V8s... the v8s which mind you are a nearly 20 year old platform
@@EricGallant24The Dodge V8 cars could have gotten much better efficiency had they as you pointed out , updated the chassis to make it so that the V8 wasn’t pushing against the weight of the titanic. The curb weights of the Dodges were well over 4000 pounds. GM V8 cars have been getting in the neighborhood of 30 mpg (highway) since the late 90s with the introduction the LS1. One of the primary reasons for that is much lighter cars. 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
@BabyfaceChase But who wants to do that? I want a car with a warranty. If I decide that I need another V8 to replace my 2021 Jeep SRT I sure will not look to the idiots at Stellantis for it. Been driving MoPar since 1962 but I'm done with them now.
@@Mandolin1944 The people who are true diehard V8 fans will do it. We as enthusiasts need to keep this tradition of gasser muscle alive. If Mopar themselves aren’t gonna do it, then we will have to do it for them. It’s an unfortunate truth.
@@BabyfaceChaseActual V8 fans will just buy a car with a V8 in it, instead of wasting time and money fixing MOPAR's overpriced trash. They finally have a decent body style, and then ruin it with a junk V6. It's pretty obvious most people are just going to buy a Ford at this point, and Dodge will die in 2026-2027.
The lightest Ram 3500 is the Regular Cab 8′ box, with a curb weight of 6056 pounds. A passenger car weight in almost as much as a 1 ton truck. They have done a lot with their weight savings.
@@shmiggz The Shelby GLHS were so rare like only 500 cars which is not a good comparison. The Mustang or even Camaro was main stream when the GLHS was new I think I saw only one on the road. I am taking about comparing a base Charger with the new one!
I’m kind of mad but amused at the same time. After closer inspection they’re beautiful cars, the sedan is kinda hot. But no hemi V8 sucks, and I don’t think the hurricane I6 is ever going to replace the legendary sound of a hemi.
All these E/V’s look great but the problem with all these E/V’s are they can all be controlled remotely by the auto manufacturers and soon police departments will be able to disable the vehicles remotely. Not a good thing.
Nothing, they took out the thing that made it a muscle car, although with the inline 6 version, could still swap it out for a hemi and make it s muscle car again
I bet they have to act here a bit to get more future gigs. What a shame. Wait until the car is released on the open market and people rip it to shreds with honest reviews.
It's heavy, but the ice rwd versions could top 4,500# with options and fuel. So ad another couple hundred on for awd and then the standard ev weight penalty. Then it starts to make sense imo. Although tesla model s plaid is 4,700-4,800# with a similar size and battery to this. 😀 And the lr model s is 4,400# with the same size 100kwh gross capacity pack. Even the lucid air sapphire tri motor 118kwh pack car is 5,330# Probably the issue was building it on a flexible ice/bev platform vs ev only. Bet it hurts dodge in the long run. 🤔
@@LearningFast Same thought here. It'll even be cheaper and not to mention that TESLA has been making EVs for years now and are the top dog. While these are nothing but a gamble like that MUSTANG MACH EV and we all know how did that end!
As the owner of a gen 2 Viper GTS, this makes me want to curl up in a corner and 🤮! The brand has lost its way completely. The previous gen fatcat was way over weight, but this one at 5800 lbs, WTF!?!? Everything about this next gen misses the mark. Way too heavy, it will eat tires and handle like a boat, requires a giant battery that will also be a PITA to continuously charge (and take forever at that), and thanks to all these inefficiencies, the range is still crap. And fake engine noises through a speaker? 4" wheel gaps? And nothing exciting about a 4500 lb boat with a V6 either! This thing will be a colossal belly flop, 100% DOA, ZERO chance this sells!!!
I don’t see how this is a good idea for a company in limp mode. They will sell a certain amount when first released but sales will dry up quickly once those enthusiast buy theirs, much like Ford Lighting.
AWD - check No V8 - check No fun sounds - check Ugly as hell - check Hatchback - check Barely more range than older V8s now with extremely long charge times - check Congrats, you've made exactly what anyone who wanted a V8 Muscle car platform didn't want.
If efficiency isn’t the point for the flagship model, keep the freakin V8! The oxymorons and headspins Dodge is making in their talking points has me crosseyed like Steve Buscemi in Mr Deeds…
I say check out the difference cost of insurance for an EV vs ICE. EV is much higher. Theres no replacement for cubic displacement. Ill never give up my 1970 Chevelle
The Electric Charger. The car no one asked for. This lines up perfectly with Stelantis' work on the Jeep brand and the cool looking but useless for off roading Rekon, and the slightly less useless 4XE wrangler. Again, this is Stellantis completely not understanding their target consumer. Frunk. Just enough room for a small gas generator... Maybe its the video, but the lines of this car are pretty sterile and bland. The roofline sort of reminds me of the Avenger. Even if it wasn't electric, I'm not sure I could get excited about it. It just doesn't look the part. No, the bee does not belong on any electric car. It's a travesty of marketing. From a fleet mileage perspective, this car makes sense. However, They could have easily made some other small fuel efficient cars (not the hornet or the dart) or other battery powered car and kept at leat the i6 as a powerplant to keep their overall numbers compliant. And don't preach the pending doom of 2035 and all electric cars. It isn't going to happen and everyone with half a brain knows it. And OMG, what an effing pig. nearly 6k pounds? Assuming the large percentage of this is the battery needed to move it as quickly as they want to make it a cool 'muscle' car. What a waste of materials and environment. MSRP? I'm going guess starting north of $65k for a base model.
Already happening. The 185k units have dropped to 18k for the first year. The electric has been pulled back and stellantus is betting on the ICE to save it.
People buy mopars for one reason only which is the feeling a muscle car gives you. And this will translate into the biggest flop unless they start selling it for less than 30000
They the car is bigger than the current 4 door Charger that means this car is extremely heavy wtf we’ve all been saying for years these cars are too heavy why did you make this car even heavier than the current Dodge Charger and Challenger???
@Starry_Dupree a plaid is under 4800lbs and it has 1000hp. All the teslas are lighter. slso no they don't have an issue with weight for the power they have at all. This electric dodge will have a much worse power to Weight. An 11.5 quarter mile is is an entry level quarter mile. That's what a tesla p85D ran in the quarter mile back in 2015........a model 3 performance is faster with 400+hp and under 4000lbs. This electric dodge running 11.5 at 5800 lbs is due to the weight because it has the power to do better but a model 3 beats it with 200 less horsepower, so the weight for the dodge is definitely an issue. To be fair tho, the styling on the dodge is better than a model 3 performance but with a multi gear transmission and noise maker and big breaks beefy suspension and big tires and bigger body dimensions explains why this dodge is so heavy.
You wear disappointment on your face as well as I do! Beautiful car in every aspect but one, v6 isn't going to save it. The EV fad is slowing down substantially. I bet dodge is very nervous about this and I'm sure they are hard at work on a new V8.
I would think you can’t buy one of these and store it thinking it will be a collectors one day for the future and expect the battery to still be good after 10-20 years even keeping it on a trickle charge . A battery is a battery and after so many years they’re no more good so what’s the worth of it in the future? It’s only worth something in the present while you use it
You don’t Trickle charge a EV🤦♂️. Who cares about putting one away for collectors item? Also it will be just fine if you store it charged up and charge it every couple months. I have 20 year old lithium drill batteries that still work.
It’s difficult to make this car a collector’s item in the future when no one wants it in the present. The vast majority of comments are clowning on this car with fake exhaust sounds and fake transmission. Like Tony said, this is a car without dignity made by people with no pride.
Dodge can't have always been the "house of muscle" if they had a larger gap in muscle cars than GM. The only "always" contender is Ford, who's yet again, the only one making a muscle car. It sucks, it really does, but Chrysler ran the brand into the ground, and now it's getting passed between various Euro brands like a Thai hooker. Dodge is dead without V8s. Anyone willing to pay ridiculous MOPAR prices are going to want a decent sounding Hemi.
I really don't care where the power is coming from (I think most people don't either), but I do consider range and recharging. I don't want to spend more money for a car to do more work. That means no range anxiety. It goes down to consider at 300mi and decrease to zero at 400mi. Once it approaches 400mi it can out last me and it can charge overnight.
I'd be interested in the 4 door I6. Hopefully the price and weight of those aren't astronomical. I wish they did the gauge cluster and infotainment in one curved screen and I hope they offer ventilated seats.
@@Jevonechy I suspect the I6 versions will outsell the full EVs 3:1, but Dodge did the smart marketing move to make the EVs seem like the main model and the I6s an option. Personally, I wish they did a hybrid version with the I6.
@91_C4_FL Yeah, those i6s will do good. I love this by Dodge. Yeah, at first, I was not a fan of the Ev, but it's growing on me tbh. I think they will eventually make a hybrid option. It just seems like something that they would've done in the first place.
Hey guys, I thought this kind of EV content was what the other channel was for. And seriously, IDGAF about the Dodge EV. I want to know about the upcoming Dodge Charger ICE vehicles.
So Dodge intends to sell this car to converted gearheads or virtue signalers who have less polarizing options? Anyone who is a true a car enthusiast would be ashamed to own one of these. This thing will sell like crazy to first adopters and then sales will fall off a cliff in subsequent years. Huge miscalculation by Dodge as outrageously powered muscle cars for reasonable prices was not only their niche, it gave them cachet that carried over to other models which were otherwise boring as hell.
This is going to be a train wreck for Dodge. When other automakers are backing off from EV, Dodge decided to go all in. Good luck with your bankruptcy Dodge
Nah it'll be great. Millions of people who live in apartments can run an extension cord from their window out to the parking lot. I see no problems at all with this plan...
Heard it's a lot to even own one. first you have to have a house and I believe you have to own it and it has to be equipped to push out that kind of power
Why bring back the retro 2-door Charger design after all these years, and ruin the nostalgia for people by throwing a battery motor in it 🤦🏽♂️ Dodge shot themselves in the foot with this crap.
Everybody bitching about a V8 go buy one it's got packs hellcats for the half the price now this is the most idiot complaining I've ever seen. So many people complaining about something they're not even shopping for if you're not car shop and shut up
Dodge better bring back Another V8 engine down the road as a option, because under there european boss Stellantis Company now, it's not looking to good for these brands Dodge, Jeep, Ram, and Chrysler with all these poor decisions !! Because just the EV'S and there new Hurricane 6CYI engine stuff is not going to bring the customers that they once had in there like that !! Because the Hemi V8 engines was keeping this company alive, so that decision to cut the Hemi V8 engine off was a dumb move on there part !! People in the United States still want that V8 engine under hoods of there Cars and Trucks as a option !! And keep in mind this company had 25 years to develop a brand new Lighter Good V8 engine, that would have been more efficient and clean burning for the EPA requirements !! So there is no more excuses from this company anymore !!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️👎👎👎
Absolutely I agree. That Tim Kuniskis CEO of Dodge and Ram totally ruined both brands since the days of FCA. Hot selling Grand Caravan? Cancel! Hot selling Dodge Journey? Cancel! Dart? Cancel! Then they excuse their incompetent decisions by saying “Dodge will focus on muscle cars only”, but then proceed to kill the Hemi V8 and give us the Hornet crossover. I feel bad for the Dodge followers who stayed loyal to the brand that totally doesn’t care what the consumer base wants. Dodge and Ram are being totally wasted.
@@Queensizemusicwhat he's asking for is understanding. This delusion that the world will go fully electric is asinine especially since we are experiencing an economic bubble that will explode. The lower and middle class won't be able to afford what wealthy people can.
I mean the overall design is pretty cool BUT it lacks the stance - I mean the gap between the tire and wheel arch is way too big and the fact that it doesn't have wide wheel arches makes it look weak.
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Ask DDE
most significant dodge in the past 50 years was the caravan. Literally saved Dodge
True that.
This ain't no caravan 😂
K car?
@@B86432might as well be. It even has a liftgate now. lol
Would love to see an electric Caravan though. Make it fast like 4.5s .
Charger? Oh, because it plugs in. I get it!
💀💀💀
Lmao underrated comment
Good one:)
A charger is what you'll need on the side of the road!
@@darkcloud6888I’m definitely an ICE guy, but I’m surrounded by Electric car owners in my area and have maybe seen one dead on the side of the road in the past Decade. Again, not advocating for them, but this isn’t really a common occurrence as owners drive the accordingly to their strengths and weaknesses.
That exhaust simulation will be the perfect start to my day after I wake up in my pod that I don't own, finish my breakfast of bugs, and check my social credit score to make sure I am authorized to access public space that day.
Great post! Made my day.
Late stage capitalism
Hahaha funniest comment
what a silly comment
@@raw7504 Nicht so albern, Schafe. Jetzt machen Sie sich an die Arbeit, Sie kommen zu spät zur Produktion. Dafür erhalten Sie die Hälfte Ihres Käferfrühstücks.
After all the electrical issues I experienced with a 2012 jeep, an '07 caliber and an '07 jeep, I can't imagine a full electric Mopar being anything but an electrical nightmare. But, I guess that's part of the new normal.
I thought the same thing lol gonna be over priced af if anything needs to get fixed or goes wrong
Don't buy it and no one else should and Dodge will start making V8s again.
Yeah if they sell nobody want that ev crap
You had 3 mopar products. Why did you get 2 more after the first time having electrical issues?
The new normal will be the death of US auto sales. They will next tax gasoline to the point where we are forced to buy electric vehicles. Just like they did to smokers to force them to quit.
the '3 point star' emblem is called the 'Fratzog' and was the Dodge logo from 62 to 81.
That’s pretty amazing curb weight of 5,800 lbs. it’s 100 lbs shy of my 1st gen Raptor. Haha
😭😭😭
And just 200# off the full size crew cab base dual motor awd Ford lightning with similar hp tq and battery sizes.
Wonder which one will cost more? I can get a lightning new under 48k near me after the tax credit&discounts. 😀👍🏻
That's why it's has to have 16in brakes and 305s in the front lol 🐖🐖🐖
And they were saying it’s has more power then the dark horse 😂 it’s double the weight course it had too
@@rks-bh6tb hey now the dark horses are hefty porkers to now most ive seen tested weighed over 4,000#😅
I've got a friend with a 2020 gt500 optioned up with fuel but empty inside it weighs over 4,300#
They made a heavy ass tank even heavier 😆
😂😂😂😂😂
Tesla model plaid is heavier then a hellcat and it keeps up with Bugattis and other hyper cars and it’s a family four door sedan I’m a fan of EV and ice vehicles but y’all underestimate ev quite a lot
@@Starry_Dupreeit’s not competing with hyper cars my boy idk what you smoking. the new taycan is mopping a plaid
@@MALIK-fk1rz I didn’t say it’s beating hyper cars or gaping them I said keeping up with them the car dose 0-60 in 2.3 sec and it’s big ass heavy sedan so my point still stands and I want whatever you’re smoking
" You can sit at the light and rev it! " he says. LMAO
Prices?? This is probably 100k MSRP and dealers will sell at 170k minimum
If that’s the case there screwed
No way it costs that much and there are ALWAYS dealers that do MSRP & lower.
Soft brains pay markup. Intelligent people do the work and enjoy the advantages of dealers
These will sit on their lot for a long time.
if they drop a police variant based on the 4 door models,the price could be lower.
No one will buy lol
Not sure why my comment keeps getting deleted but:
The discontinuation of the Hemi V8 will be studied in business schools for decades to come as a textbook case in how to accomplish corporate self-destruction.
The case of BudLight already is😂
@nothingtoseaheardammit Maybe but I doubt it. In the current regulatory climate it cost Stellantis literally hundreds of millions to buy carbon credits (purchased from Tesla) so they could make and sell Hemis. If they would have had a brain in their heads they would have developed a 4L DOHC V8 twin-turbo that could have met standards -- then they would still have a V8. They had years of profits selling Hemis to plan for the future but they were too dumb and too greedy.
I feel very sad ... a big part of "Americana" has died ...
But why?
@@highdeer1770the time an average working man owning a luxurious V8 is gone.
@@LordCohliani That era has been dead for decades.
I died a little when he opened the “frunk” to reveal an ugly plastic hole for grocery bags.
@devildog5354 Well, they'r pre-production, so hopefully we'll get that.
Its for your purse
You're right...guys that drive muscle cars don't need to eat lol
Same here. Looks like a damn soccer mom car.
@@Powersproductions130 The fact that you said "soccer mom" and "car" in the same sentence, means you don't know any. For the soccer-mom crowd, it's either a crossover, a SUV, or--horrors--a minivan. A sedan? You must be crazy. Dude, pay better attention around you.
I miss being excited about debuts.
yeah now every debut feels like a funeral because they are replacing a great car with some sort of Junk.
The twin turbo I6 is junk??
@@Yihooni generalizing the auto industry as a whole not this car in particular.
New tradition is people whining and crying about cars they have never even driven or seen in person.
@@Housee01 tale as old as time
This is not going to end well for dodge.
Why? I think it will be a huge success.
@@DavidElCid300 Clearly you don't know any Dodge owners and/or live in a bubble of electric nonsense propaganda.
They basically give up for what they do best which are the Hemi v8s to what they do worse. This car will never be faster than the Tesla's and probably will never be faster or better than any of the China made EVs @@DavidElCid300
It’s not going to end well for the big 3 in general!
@@DavidElCid300A 6k lb appliance.
If your gonna make a doge charger battery powered you cannot call it a muscle car
I love how they introduced EVs just in time for the EV market to fall flat on its face, the styling and interior design is a pleasant surprise but just real poor timing on launching it as an EV.
How to grenade a brand 101
Several states banning sales of combustion engine vehicles in the near future. They don't really have a choice. Blame government, not the company.
Following Budweiser footsteps
Oh yeah because It was super viable paying billions to buy EPA credits from Tesla to offset the emissions of the V8s... the v8s which mind you are a nearly 20 year old platform
@@EricGallant24The Dodge V8 cars could have gotten much better efficiency had they as you pointed out , updated the chassis to make it so that the V8 wasn’t pushing against the weight of the titanic. The curb weights of the Dodges were well over 4000 pounds. GM V8 cars have been getting in the neighborhood of 30 mpg (highway) since the late 90s with the introduction the LS1. One of the primary reasons for that is much lighter cars. 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
@@dabro1569 the Camaro and Corvette are just smaller cars in general than the Charger and Challenger
The exterior is beautiful. If only they had a V8 option.
A v8 in a muscle car?? How could you even think of that?? (Sarcasm)
Hopefully hydrogen will allow that. They said the I6 will fit in it so the V8 should as well.
Sadly, the can’t because CAFE regulations. This is how Dodge will live on in spite of that.
Ford continues its V8
Bugatti creates a new V16 hybrid
@@micah_drumsthey are plenty of car companies that still make v8s Dodge is making excuses or their lying and are coming out with a new hemi!
I smell v8 swaps for the 6-pack in the future. Call ‘em 8-packs. 😎
Stuff like Wagoneer have been sold with 5.7/6.4 and the inline 6 so I believe the motor mounts are the same
@@bobman717yes, I think that's why they made sure that we get a gas engine. They know people are going to v8 swap it and there all for it.
@BabyfaceChase But who wants to do that? I want a car with a warranty. If I decide that I need another V8 to replace my 2021 Jeep SRT I sure will not look to the idiots at Stellantis for it. Been driving MoPar since 1962 but I'm done with them now.
@@Mandolin1944 The people who are true diehard V8 fans will do it. We as enthusiasts need to keep this tradition of gasser muscle alive. If Mopar themselves aren’t gonna do it, then we will have to do it for them. It’s an unfortunate truth.
@@BabyfaceChaseActual V8 fans will just buy a car with a V8 in it, instead of wasting time and money fixing MOPAR's overpriced trash. They finally have a decent body style, and then ruin it with a junk V6. It's pretty obvious most people are just going to buy a Ford at this point, and Dodge will die in 2026-2027.
Fake sound, fake transmission, fake everything. Strange times. Pass.
Have you seen the woman walking .. fake augmented front and rear bumpers and some have look like gas cars but are actually men
Dear Dodge: You are hereby sentenced to the electric chair. Sincerely, your customers….
Doubt that…it’s just the future, unless you want to live in the last century
Just tell management that they can sit in the charger..then flip the switch!
Great play with words. Appropriate for this electrifying situation
The lightest Ram 3500 is the Regular Cab 8′ box, with a curb weight of 6056 pounds. A passenger car weight in almost as much as a 1 ton truck. They have done a lot with their weight savings.
I love that its a hatchback but with a sedan design so it doesn’t look like an egg
Yeah people forget that the 80's chargers were some really ugly hatchbacks that could not even complete with any Mustang at that time.
@@DYIguynah. The GLHS beat it in looks and on the track
@@shmiggz The Shelby GLHS were so rare like only 500 cars which is not a good comparison. The Mustang or even Camaro was main stream when the GLHS was new I think I saw only one on the road. I am taking about comparing a base Charger with the new one!
@@DYIguy the Charger turbo was also pretty fast too!
We call those liftback sedans, audi a7, acura integra, kia stinger, and etc.
I’m kind of mad but amused at the same time. After closer inspection they’re beautiful cars, the sedan is kinda hot. But no hemi V8 sucks, and I don’t think the hurricane I6 is ever going to replace the legendary sound of a hemi.
All these E/V’s look great but the problem with all these E/V’s are they can all be controlled remotely by the auto manufacturers and soon police departments will be able to disable the vehicles remotely. Not a good thing.
A well equipped full size HSE Range Rover weighs 5000lbs, and the crazy heavy L322 weighs 6000lbs, now imagine this.
Too heavy 😮. 5800 lbs, that’s insane.
The reason behind the big brakes.
All EVs are heavy. The batteries are insane.
The new Hummer is almost 10k lbs 😂
gasoline Charger is gonna be 4300 lbs
It’s heavy and very fast… no problemo
@@mortensenvick5711 I have a feeling it’ll be more
What makes this a muscle car?
nothing😂
Nothing, they took out the thing that made it a muscle car, although with the inline 6 version, could still swap it out for a hemi and make it s muscle car again
Torque. Always torque.
It vaguely resembles a muscle car and makes fake exhaust noise. That’s it.
The weight 😅
Hope u can shut off the fake sound,that sounds like there trying to hard,and hope the concept wheels are available as an option
You will be able to turn it off. It will have that spaceship hum at parking lot speeds that you can't turn off.
It would be cooler to customize the sound, like the Millennium Falcon or the Jetsons space car.
The interior of the Challenger is way better than this lazy tablet on dash design. Just another fail
Man this is rough. How did you guys do this with a straight face?
I bet they have to act here a bit to get more future gigs. What a shame. Wait until the car is released on the open market and people rip it to shreds with honest reviews.
Bro cmon, it has speakers in the exhaust and a top speed of 130mph😂. Everything progressive turns to shit.
Uses 13853 iphone batteries😂
Not really 🤨
3 AA Batteries !
5,800 lbs is just stupid for this car. That is insanely heavy.
It's heavy, but the ice rwd versions could top 4,500# with options and fuel. So ad another couple hundred on for awd and then the standard ev weight penalty. Then it starts to make sense imo. Although tesla model s plaid is 4,700-4,800# with a similar size and battery to this. 😀
And the lr model s is 4,400# with the same size 100kwh gross capacity pack. Even the lucid air sapphire tri motor 118kwh pack car is 5,330#
Probably the issue was building it on a flexible ice/bev platform vs ev only. Bet it hurts dodge in the long run. 🤔
@@4literv6 the Model 3 Performance weighs 4,050 lbs and is WAY quicker than any of these cars in the video. Costs less too. Has more range too.
@@LearningFast yup and the sexy ass highland redesigned m3 ludicrous version is about to drop here soon. Might be my first fun ev. 😎👍🏻
@@LearningFast Same thought here. It'll even be cheaper and not to mention that TESLA has been making EVs for years now and are the top dog. While these are nothing but a gamble like that MUSTANG MACH EV and we all know how did that end!
@@LearningFastWell the scat should actually be close to the same as the m3p. My Plaid will eat every model guaranteed
5800 pounds dodge said F making boats we are going to make full on cruise ships
As the owner of a gen 2 Viper GTS, this makes me want to curl up in a corner and 🤮! The brand has lost its way completely. The previous gen fatcat was way over weight, but this one at 5800 lbs, WTF!?!?
Everything about this next gen misses the mark. Way too heavy, it will eat tires and handle like a boat, requires a giant battery that will also be a PITA to continuously charge (and take forever at that), and thanks to all these inefficiencies, the range is still crap. And fake engine noises through a speaker? 4" wheel gaps? And nothing exciting about a 4500 lb boat with a V6 either! This thing will be a colossal belly flop, 100% DOA, ZERO chance this sells!!!
Dodge has forgotten who its customers are😆.
I don’t see how this is a good idea for a company in limp mode. They will sell a certain amount when first released but sales will dry up quickly once those enthusiast buy theirs, much like Ford Lighting.
Might want to check Ford EV sales for February… lol
I know they’ve dropped production. Saw it on TFL.
AWD - check
No V8 - check
No fun sounds - check
Ugly as hell - check
Hatchback - check
Barely more range than older V8s now with extremely long charge times - check
Congrats, you've made exactly what anyone who wanted a V8 Muscle car platform didn't want.
136 mph that's good they can't out run the cops nor a Honda Civic
If efficiency isn’t the point for the flagship model, keep the freakin V8! The oxymorons and headspins Dodge is making in their talking points has me crosseyed like Steve Buscemi in Mr Deeds…
I say check out the difference cost of insurance for an EV vs ICE. EV is much higher. Theres no replacement for cubic displacement. Ill never give up my 1970 Chevelle
The Electric Charger. The car no one asked for. This lines up perfectly with Stelantis' work on the Jeep brand and the cool looking but useless for off roading Rekon, and the slightly less useless 4XE wrangler. Again, this is Stellantis completely not understanding their target consumer.
Frunk. Just enough room for a small gas generator...
Maybe its the video, but the lines of this car are pretty sterile and bland. The roofline sort of reminds me of the Avenger. Even if it wasn't electric, I'm not sure I could get excited about it. It just doesn't look the part.
No, the bee does not belong on any electric car. It's a travesty of marketing.
From a fleet mileage perspective, this car makes sense. However, They could have easily made some other small fuel efficient cars (not the hornet or the dart) or other battery powered car and kept at leat the i6 as a powerplant to keep their overall numbers compliant. And don't preach the pending doom of 2035 and all electric cars. It isn't going to happen and everyone with half a brain knows it.
And OMG, what an effing pig. nearly 6k pounds? Assuming the large percentage of this is the battery needed to move it as quickly as they want to make it a cool 'muscle' car. What a waste of materials and environment.
MSRP? I'm going guess starting north of $65k for a base model.
Bud Light - Hey ya'll. Watch this.
Dodge - Hold my beer.
So what’s going to happen when most of the orders will be for that hurricane 6? lol there’s at least hope
Seriously. I feel like those will be harder to find now cause I’ll drive the inline 6 but not the electric version lol
@@bustingyewls154 The EV is probably going to be ridiculously expensive.
@@peaceable263 yeah definitely would be out my budget lol but I really don’t want the electric
Already happening. The 185k units have dropped to 18k for the first year. The electric has been pulled back and stellantus is betting on the ICE to save it.
I'm betting most will go for the gas engine. The battery pack makes the car way heavier in the EV.
People buy mopars for one reason only which is the feeling a muscle car gives you. And this will translate into the biggest flop unless they start selling it for less than 30000
They the car is bigger than the current 4 door Charger that means this car is extremely heavy wtf we’ve all been saying for years these cars are too heavy why did you make this car even heavier than the current Dodge Charger and Challenger???
Tesla model plaid is heavier then this car and the current hell cat and it gaps super cars weight isn’t a issue for electric vehicles
@Starry_Dupree a plaid is under 4800lbs and it has 1000hp. All the teslas are lighter. slso no they don't have an issue with weight for the power they have at all. This electric dodge will have a much worse power to Weight. An 11.5 quarter mile is is an entry level quarter mile. That's what a tesla p85D ran in the quarter mile back in 2015........a model 3 performance is faster with 400+hp and under 4000lbs. This electric dodge running 11.5 at 5800 lbs is due to the weight because it has the power to do better but a model 3 beats it with 200 less horsepower, so the weight for the dodge is definitely an issue. To be fair tho, the styling on the dodge is better than a model 3 performance but with a multi gear transmission and noise maker and big breaks beefy suspension and big tires and bigger body dimensions explains why this dodge is so heavy.
They are using the original 67'ish design when it had the fold down seat and 7' deep trunk.
But why now? We should have had his years ago.
You wear disappointment on your face as well as I do! Beautiful car in every aspect but one, v6 isn't going to save it. The EV fad is slowing down substantially. I bet dodge is very nervous about this and I'm sure they are hard at work on a new V8.
I would think you can’t buy one of these and store it thinking it will be a collectors one day for the future and expect the battery to still be good after 10-20 years even keeping it on a trickle charge . A battery is a battery and after so many years they’re no more good so what’s the worth of it in the future? It’s only worth something in the present while you use it
You don’t Trickle charge a EV🤦♂️.
Who cares about putting one away for collectors item?
Also it will be just fine if you store it charged up and charge it every couple months. I have 20 year old lithium drill batteries that still work.
It’s difficult to make this car a collector’s item in the future when no one wants it in the present. The vast majority of comments are clowning on this car with fake exhaust sounds and fake transmission.
Like Tony said, this is a car without dignity made by people with no pride.
Dodge can't have always been the "house of muscle" if they had a larger gap in muscle cars than GM. The only "always" contender is Ford, who's yet again, the only one making a muscle car. It sucks, it really does, but Chrysler ran the brand into the ground, and now it's getting passed between various Euro brands like a Thai hooker. Dodge is dead without V8s. Anyone willing to pay ridiculous MOPAR prices are going to want a decent sounding Hemi.
I still don't like EVs, but these Dodge Chargers are hot!
I'd like one with a 440 under the hood and with rear wheel drive only.
I really don't care where the power is coming from (I think most people don't either), but I do consider range and recharging. I don't want to spend more money for a car to do more work. That means no range anxiety. It goes down to consider at 300mi and decrease to zero at 400mi. Once it approaches 400mi it can out last me and it can charge overnight.
5800lbs is outrageous. The Kia EV6 GT and Hyundai Ioniq 5 N are both 1000lbs lighter than this and have awd. What is Dodge doing to control weight?
@Benzley722 His point still stands, 5800 lbs is batshit
121in wheelbase 😅😅😅 that's almost a foot longer than a 200 series Land Cruiser.
It's an inch or less longer than the outgoing charger.
I'd be interested in the 4 door I6. Hopefully the price and weight of those aren't astronomical. I wish they did the gauge cluster and infotainment in one curved screen and I hope they offer ventilated seats.
Yes! Especially if they're awd! Definitely going after the I6!
@@Jevonechy I suspect the I6 versions will outsell the full EVs 3:1, but Dodge did the smart marketing move to make the EVs seem like the main model and the I6s an option. Personally, I wish they did a hybrid version with the I6.
@91_C4_FL Yeah, those i6s will do good. I love this by Dodge. Yeah, at first, I was not a fan of the Ev, but it's growing on me tbh. I think they will eventually make a hybrid option. It just seems like something that they would've done in the first place.
@@Jevonechy I’m sure they’ve been developing this before EV demand stalled. They’ll probably do a hybrid in the first refresh.
It will sound just like a BMW.
Gimme a supercharged hemi" because sometimes you want to smoke 2 fattys"
Because black lines matter" 😂
I'm from the future. I came here in a time machine that you invented. Now I need your help to get back to the year 1985.”!!!
Dodge brand is going to its grave.
at 5800 pounds makes the previous gen charger sound like a ballerina
No matter how much they paid you for this... IT'S TRASH and you know it. An electric car will never be a muscle car.
Hey guys, I thought this kind of EV content was what the other channel was for. And seriously, IDGAF about the Dodge EV. I want to know about the upcoming Dodge Charger ICE vehicles.
So Dodge intends to sell this car to converted gearheads or virtue signalers who have less polarizing options? Anyone who is a true a car enthusiast would be ashamed to own one of these. This thing will sell like crazy to first adopters and then sales will fall off a cliff in subsequent years. Huge miscalculation by Dodge as outrageously powered muscle cars for reasonable prices was not only their niche, it gave them cachet that carried over to other models which were otherwise boring as hell.
The overall exterior design of the new Charger looks somewhat muddled.
Just say "Ugly AF"
Check engine light was on, already.
Not just an EV, looks like there will be an ICE and/hybrid versions.
No hybrid options, but will have ICE with the new 3.0L I6
The End Of Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep.
If It’s Not Broken, Why Break It? It’s A Sad Day For Whatever They’re Thinking.🐌🐌🐌
Hemi's will be back in 3 years . No one can sell electric right now.
This is going to be a train wreck for Dodge. When other automakers are backing off from EV, Dodge decided to go all in. Good luck with your bankruptcy Dodge
No one wants electric. If everyone had an electric vehicle we would have massive power blackouts.
You realize we're at least 50 years from everyone owning an electric car, right?
Nah it'll be great. Millions of people who live in apartments can run an extension cord from their window out to the parking lot. I see no problems at all with this plan...
@@Blizofoz45 People who live in apartments have no business buying a $100k car. Buy a $5k car, buy a house, then get the nice car.
Heard it's a lot to even own one. first you have to have a house and I believe you have to own it and it has to be equipped to push out that kind of power
I'd like to see Nascar have a Daytona EV 200 race.
They have them at your local golf course every weekend during the summer months.
Why bring back the retro 2-door Charger design after all these years, and ruin the nostalgia for people by throwing a battery motor in it 🤦🏽♂️ Dodge shot themselves in the foot with this crap.
The name muscle car has a very specific definition it has nothing to do with electric
Kudos on being the first long-format video on this car that I've ever seen. What a car!
Heavy car. Electric car. No real long range on a charge. All adds up to zero interest.
You’re not mentioning the fact that people won’t be able to add horsepower like you can a gas engine car.
Not in the same way but yes they will be able to add power, that is the purpose of the "stages"
@@johncs154that's how they sell it. You can "add" horsepower. No you can't.
@@comicrandomness3289 it’s a modular platform meaning you can upgrade the components.. yes you can make it faster..
the only thing dodge had going for them was the Hemi... anybody can make an EV and guess what? they dont sell.
So they made a muscle ev that's slower than a Kia ev but 50% more expensive. Dead on arrival
Wow, imagine if they could shave off $1,000 lbs. Cant figure out where all the weight is. Crazy crazy
Battery
Battery and thicker tires.
I wonder if these will be even better at taking out bystanders at intersection takeovers than the previous gen.
No running from
Police in these 😂
Absolutely. Especially with all the added weight of the battery.
Check engine light is already on... 😅
It's always on in accessory mode... car wasn't started.
A check engine light on a car that doesn't have an engine? Lol.
@@damilolaakanni hahahah so true. I guess Dodge's favorite light. I'm only kidding.
Everybody bitching about a V8 go buy one it's got packs hellcats for the half the price now this is the most idiot complaining I've ever seen. So many people complaining about something they're not even shopping for if you're not car shop and shut up
It’s a bold move but the thing isn’t even out yet
Nobody wants The electric “dodge” I might think about the hurricane one. But who want a car that long man ? They could’ve made a sleek vehicle.
Dodge better bring back Another V8 engine down the road as a option, because under there european boss Stellantis Company now, it's not looking to good for these brands Dodge, Jeep, Ram, and Chrysler with all these poor decisions !! Because just the EV'S and there new Hurricane 6CYI engine stuff is not going to bring the customers that they once had in there like that !! Because the Hemi V8 engines was keeping this company alive, so that decision to cut the Hemi V8 engine off was a dumb move on there part !! People in the United States still want that V8 engine under hoods of there Cars and Trucks as a option !! And keep in mind this company had 25 years to develop a brand new Lighter Good V8 engine, that would have been more efficient and clean burning for the EPA requirements !! So there is no more excuses from this company anymore !!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️👎👎👎
Yup. Why the hell would they remove all V8’s from the Ram brand smh
Absolutely I agree. That Tim Kuniskis CEO of Dodge and Ram totally ruined both brands since the days of FCA. Hot selling Grand Caravan? Cancel! Hot selling Dodge Journey? Cancel! Dart? Cancel! Then they excuse their incompetent decisions by saying “Dodge will focus on muscle cars only”, but then proceed to kill the Hemi V8 and give us the Hornet crossover. I feel bad for the Dodge followers who stayed loyal to the brand that totally doesn’t care what the consumer base wants. Dodge and Ram are being totally wasted.
Dude, where have you been? All new cars will be electrified by 2035. What you’re asking for will never happen.
@@Queensizemusicwhat he's asking for is understanding. This delusion that the world will go fully electric is asinine especially since we are experiencing an economic bubble that will explode. The lower and middle class won't be able to afford what wealthy people can.
@@QueensizemusicThe ice ban deadline has already been pushed back a few times, and it will continue to be.
And how much to replace the batteries when they wear out?
Love the front wing.
Love the rear hatch.
Love the AWD.
Love the 4 door option.
Love the EV/ICE option.
Love the overall appearance.
Miss the HEMI.
Thanks!
Let’s see how this stellantis product stands up electrical nightmare? Perhaps not?
I can’t wait to buy this all electric muscle car it’s gonna be so cool finally no more V8! -said no one ever
😂😂😂 I see what you done there
Part of the appeal of muscle cars, is the sound. Calling an EV a muscle car, won’t make it one.
Remember those early cars with a taxidermied horse mounted on the front?
I guess dodge doesn’t want to make money and go bankrupted!
We want the HEMI!
Defund the EPA
I have literally never seen copium this intense
Nobody cares about an EV.
I do.. just not this one 😂
@@MakeAMark1755 exactly some EVs are cool .. just not these
Agreed. All EVs suck
EVs are for soy boys.
Good Lord the lighting and camera are terrible in this video
May I remind y’all this is the only ev coupe on the segment, not only that but the only full-size one
When the hurricane model gets released it would be cool to see this as a GTR competitor depending on the mod-capability of the drivetrain.
... sigh
Gtr will still be better!
I mean the overall design is pretty cool BUT it lacks the stance - I mean the gap between the tire and wheel arch is way too big and the fact that it doesn't have wide wheel arches makes it look weak.
why is there a check engine light if there is no "engine"
Bc some have engines lol
The fake noises as an exhaust is where they completely lost me, I was on board until just that moment.