It looks like the R5C is doing some more processing to the raw files before they’re saved out than the Nikon. They’ve done this consistently on the R-series.
No, the R5c is not processing it's 8K R in any way. It's a flat profile. The slanted lens didn't record 8K RAW from the R5c. You have to have an external battery source to do that and they did not record 8K raw like they said they did.
8K raw on the R5c is flat and noisier then what they show. They just kinda bypass the flat RAW straight out of camera look and jump to a color corrected noise reduction image for both cameras. That's not fair to either camera because you can push the highlights too far and over expose.
Great comparison, and I'd agree with your findings, but I feel its worth mentioning that the nikon has a full size hdmi port which is far more robust than the mini port on the r5c. For me the great battery performance of the Z9 is the deciding factor, I can live with the extra size nowing I'm not going to run out of power every few minutes, and the Nikon is way more ergonomic if you have to rig external power on the r5c.
I've noticed Canon has clearly cheapened out on its Pro-sumer line of lenses. The Canon Cinema Series lenses are breathtaking, but I see how they lack proper contrast values in the regular line of lenses versus the Nikon Pro-Sumer line of lenses, which have superior contrast and color rendition across the broad range of still and video test shots you have made. Nikon is the clear winner here, based on the optics. 👍👀
I would love camera technicians to concentrate on a max of 1600 iso and make it badass .. super clean and bright ...lighting and flash are required after this for me ...and I still don't like using above iso 800... 💜👍🏽
Adobe Raw and LR will make z9 file noisier. Had Nikon rep look at my file as I complaint about high noise ratio at 1000, 2000+ ISO. Nikon rep said Adobe hasn’t update their applications to support new Z9 file format. He recommends using Nikon Studio to process Z9 raw file. It definitely was better but Capture One does it a lot better. So Z9 owner beware. Don’t use Adobe Raw/LR just yet. Capture One - 30 days free trial or Nikon Studio download for free.
He compares focus, Nikon wins, then he doubts his results because "Canon autofocus is usually spot on". Why do a comparison test if you're going to revert to widely held assumptions?
Heads up for anyone buying, make use of all the customizable buttons on the z9, for me it has been a game changer in work flow coming from a Z6 and older DSLR cameras, feels like I'm using a z6 plus an atmos - hopefully Nikon add's false colours, LUTS and vectorscopes
As far as the ISO test and Canon being cleaner with no colorful noise, it is just doing it in camera, which results in less detail, softer image. It is maybe 1 step less when editing, but maybe you would want to choose if you want softer cleaner image or edit in post and get it somewhere in between? Companies are getting smarter to show less weaknesses and have "better results for marketing purposes" and if you don't analyze what's happening and why, you can think- oh this is better, or this is not, so 50/50. I prefer the colors from the Nikon. Colorful noise- I can remove it with 1 click/slide, but matching colors is pain.
What software are you using for the image comparison? When I got the Z9, I was really disappointment with the noise. When I moved to Capture1 from LightRoom, I was shocked. The noise is really much cleaner than in LR. Color was more pleasing as well.
'beautiful beautiful color science' ; 'if we corrected these they would be identical' -- which is it? RE digital noise, there is a Z9 hickup rn where Adobe suite adds noise. Comparisons are more accurate for the time being w NX Studio
10:00 digital noise means nothing, you have luminance noise and color noise, which was stronger with the Nikon. Also the iso amplification does not use the same technology with integer multiples of 100 ISO and non integers multiples. Also, when you did the DR test, you want to have a controlled environment, and therefore the sun and different moments are not helping.
I have the Z9, been in the Nikon system for 15 years so i do like the Z a lot, so a fun video to see. One thing i wonder about the fan on the Canon, how weather resistant is that one? Im doing a lot of wildlife and with the Z, heavy rain is like,, well we get soaked but not a problem, its just water. So i wonder what the RC5 user say, is it okay or pack up and go home? It also had a surprise of the AF, i thought that Canon was ahead of Nikon on that part, so fun to see that they has made big progress there. Thanks for a good compare video. Marry Christmas :)
I would say in the rain you should cover your camera with a plastic bag type of cover no matter what brand. There are a variety of brands available: bhpho.to/3GiIKl3
Good comparison. Which raw converter did you use for the still images? There is growing awareness that Adobe ACR or Lightroom produces a noisier file on the Z9 than Capture One or Nikons own software. The fact that the Nikon held up better in the video high ISO comparison confirms it even more.
Nice try! It's common knowledge that both Canon and Nikon files render far better (and cleaner) in Capture One Pro. Nikon high ISO performance is lagging the competition in mirrorless cameras. I'm only shooting an RP at the moment, soon buying an R6 to have 2 FF bodies. My RP has noticeably better ISO performance than the Z7ii and Z9 cameras. The R6 is better still. I'm amazed at how early in the ISO range I start to see noise in Nikon images. I think the Z6ii may be very good though. Did we watch the same video? The Nikon fell apart quicker in ISO in both video and stills. It had horrible colour noise and the image was softer, probably suggesting it applied more noise reduction. The biggest surprise to me was that the Canon has better dynamic range. The highlight recovery was clearly better.
@@cooloox First of all, compare 20mp camera to 45mp camera in terms of noise is not fair if you zoom both to 100%. Canon is also applying noise reduction to raw file, but Nikon isn't. Nikon persevere better details due to this, and you can get better noise reduction in post. Nikon uses the BSI sensor from Sony, which is known to have very good high iso performance compare to Canon's FSI sensor.
Very nice test, JP. It seemed to me that you were actually testing post-processing quality differences for these cameras. I recently bought into Topaz's holy trinity and feel the question is justified why Lightroom never got to this quality level. I guess the answer is that the Mudbricks used our subscription money to develop more code variants with similar or reduced functionality e.g. for mobile, and pay bonuses to the board. While being very slow on innovation. The first portrait in the video showed the model's hair darker in the 105/2.8S shot and that may have been optics with less glare. The slightly blown out highlight in the Nikon shot at neutral exposure may be a case of slight over-exposure. Or difference in how one vendor relates correct exposure to ISO versus the other (the ISO institute has no opinion of correct exposure relative to the ISO parameter). As to noise, deeper in the dynamic range, it would be interesting, in the case of Nikon, to compare raw processing in different apps: Lightroom (=Camera Raw), Capture One, Topaz, DxO, and Nikon NX Studio. If you could render a raw file "as is" you would be in shock and horror from its ugliness. You would only see color noise and luminance noise. Raw processing must fix that and software quality is of the utmost importance in that.
With the Nikon, having an electronic shutter does effect the dynamic range slightly, though the fact that it is able to shoot at ISO 64, does help a little. Of course the big issue with the Z9 currently is getting hold of one. Greys of Westminster have only just managed to fulfil their day 3 orders of the Z9, which is a little farcical and to be honest, after 20+ years of using Nikon, I have decided to get a GFX 100s because even if Nikon did announce a Z7III/Z8 it would probably take a year to get hold of the camera.
Camera raw doesn’t play well with the Z9. There’s been comparisons made with capture one and there’s a big difference in noise. I think comparisons like this should be made with each manufacturers own raw developer to really show the capabilities of the system as a whole.
The nikon 105mm 2.8 is really not a good lens for subject tracking... it's a very slow macro lens... nikon has made an update that has made it much more responsive...
@@TheSlantedLens no problem. If you put a 50mm, 85mm, 70-200 , 200 f2, 400 ect on that Z9 you'll see a drastic difference in AF SPEED... as well as any SWM F Mount lens.. anything but that 105 Marco.
The canon's color info gets blurred at high ISO that's why you only see noise in the illumination info. (denoises the chroma channels) It would be nice if this could be turned off, but afaik you cant turn that off... That is also why the Nikon seems to keep more color detail when zoomed out. But I still prefer the canon as it is more predictable/consistent.
I was excited to see this video appear in my feed. I have both the R5C and the Z9, and have been on the fence about which to keep for a couple of months. I'm leaning towards keeping both until the R1 comes out, and then I'll sell the Z9 because I prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon, and I'm more heavy into RF glass. In practical terms, AF and IQ are close enough that I wrote them off as a deciding factors early on in my evaluation. Also, if internal RAW video wasn't a must have for me, I definitely would have considered the A1 as well. The Z9 is a more versatile camera I can take anywhere and standalone shoot just about anything without constantly needing to mind the battery. I prefer the rear screen design to the R5C's flippy screen targeted at tubers & bloggers. The Z lenses are better suited to video IMHO, with less breathing and near parfocal. However, the Z9 is a heavy beast, so I'm not inclined to take the Z9 when needing to pack a camera alongside other gear (when considering whole system, since currently no Z70-200/4). Also, Resolve is your only choice at this time if editing RAW video, so this could slow down workflow for some users. Resolve is my go-to for grading and editing, so not a problem for me. The R5C is a relief to hold next to the Z9 and is much more travel and backpack friendly **IF** you're already taking a USB-C PD charger with you, which I always do. Often overlooked in reviews is that, when in video mode, the R5C draws power at about the same rate whether recording or not, and depends on format/fps -- so you can easily eat into your shoot time if going about setting up the shot at a gingerly pace so, when shooting video, I often supply power via USB PD. Of course, for anybody shooting in a studio environment or rigging out the camera, the battery is a non-issue, but I'm an outdoors shooter and rigging out the camera defeats the entire point of the camera IMHO. The R5C shines compared to the Z9 in shooting video, with a complete set of monitoring tools and flexible file formats having broad NLE support (and no pending legal litigation for internal RAW). I also generally prefer the graded footage I get out of the R5C to the Z9, but this could be on me. There's not much mindshare to draw on when it comes to grading Nikon RAW by comparison to Canon, and I run into speedbumps such as Nikon RAW not being included in the list of source gammas in Resolve's color matching tool. Simply put, Canon system is more mature than Nikon, at least regarding RAW video in mainstream tools. Although the Z9 IBIS does a better job of smoothing out the jitters than the R5C, it's evident from watching the video that it originated from a hybrid camera. R5C with lens OIS helps smooth the footage while maintaining a more cinematic feel -- I don't even bother with the digital IS. Switching photo and video modes on the R5C feel disruptive, but not for the reason everybody talks about (the 5-7 sec). The two modes have completely different OSes, and several of the buttons have different mapping so it feels like you're working with two cameras in one body instead of one camera in different modes (like the Z9). Also, because of the different OSes, the AF behavior in the R5C is more limited compared to what you get in stills mode (or on the R5 or Z9 when shooting video). Still, if not for the battery life issue, I'd take the R5C over the Z9 if I had to choose between the two, but only because of what and how I shoot -- YMMV, naturally.
I want to buy the nikon z9, but its like $1k more than the R5C. The only thing ive heard bad is the battery R5C eats batteries like nothing and thats why I haven't ordered one and have been looking at the z9. I also heard the HDMI on the rc5 is bad like itll break easily.
My experience with the Canon R with the Sigma 85 Art verses the 6D mii and the Sigma art was substantial at f1.4. Rent an R6 and adapter and see how it works with your glass and shooting style.
@@jeffreyhill4705 Nah, I'm just going to wait and see what comes out this year. There's rumours of an RP2, but I hope they change it to use LP E6 batteries.
The R5C is a cinema camera and doesn't have IBIS at all. It has electronic image stabilisation, but should really be used on a gimbal or some other stabilisation device. @mandofan It also has inferior AF to the R5 and gets a performance hit if you don't shoot with an external power supply.
The z9 has a bigger lens mount which makes it better at gathering light, so i wonder if the base photo's in the dynamic range test are equally exposed. The Nikon base images are probably slightly brighter. i Wonder how the results would be if you'd adjust the images to be equally exposed. Also did you test this at 100 iso? how does nikon's iso 32 compare to canon's base iso.
The R5C is a cinema camera with cinematic features.8K video on the R5C is better than the Z9. 8K video dynamic range is better on the R5C. Thanks for the comparison. The Z9 looks like a beast of a camera.
@@contentm3893 most cinema cameras don’t have autofocus…and I wouldn’t consider the C70 or R5c as cinema cameras, even though you could use them(like any video camera)in that capacity.
I have not tried the canon RF 100 macro, I do have the EF 100 Macro, it is a bit slower at focusing, more accurate for still subjects. Not sure that impacts the results. Maybe a future firmware for the camera or the lens.
Apparently the AF is not the same, there are some differences. I seem to recall that there are some performance hits (not just battery life) when running the R5C off the battery compared to running off an external power source. The R3 would have made a better comparison as it, too, has no overheating issues, but has superior AF and superior high ISO performance over the R5C.
@@cooloox yeah I think the R3 is their flagship now but a low megapixel count is what lags behind in that camera. I guess we will need to wait until the R1
Is an R5 with better video and no over heating. It offers a lot of codecs and video options that a normal hybrid doesnt. the 4k is top notch as it is always coming from the 8K. So you get more Dr also with a sharper cleaner image in all video scenarios. The battery life is crap so you do have to find something battery than the canon batteries.
@@answeris4217 handheld existed way before ibis and is still used without ibis. Ibis is nice but not needed. Its best for light weight cameras because gravity isnt helping with the shakes just your arms and long focal lengths. I use the c70 over the r5 and r3 any day and it has no ibis. And with canon the wooble is pretty bad under 28 MM with their ibis
I know 2 artist out of many in my community(Cincinnati Ohio, film and photo, I’ve been shooting professionally for over 20 years)that shoot Nikon. I really wonder how they survive.
It was NOT a fair comparison Z9 and R5S which is NOT a flagship camera. A fair comparison had been Z9 vs R3. But it made Nikon appear like a better camera, which I think was the purpose.
R3 is not a flagship. So this comparison makes more sense. There is no current mirrorless flagship from canon right now. A rumored R1 is supposedly coming but it is still rumor.
Why is the last 3 minutes of this video all about the 5C? I don't have either camera but the Nikon dominated in this video. They are not close as you suggest.
@@TheSlantedLens Did you record 8K raw on the R5c? That's not 8K raw video that you showed in the video above. You won't tell us what battery source you used to power the R5c and 8K raw will be much noisier and would handle the lamp light better. Please give and update.
@@contentm3893you can shoot 8k raw without external power…. Just not at 60fps… you can shoot 8k using the raw LT codec up to 30fps with the standard battery… I own one it’s all I use.. the raw LT is pretty much a clog 2 curve 👌🏽
I'm in disbelief that the R5C isn't more in focus. It's been phenomenal for me personally. It's almost as if you don't have the right settings because it just doesn't look like the R5C I know at all. Even the R6, which I also own and love for its AF, would be better than these here.
Canon wins hands down better color in all aspects and far better noise control as well as better higher iso range less artifacts . Don:t get me wrong Nikon has done well but not up to the Canon standard . My R5 has great ibis control so i cant understand what you had put settings on in the R5 . Every other pro review had no problems at all. Keep them coming Don:t forget that you can also put a battery grip on the R5 if you are picking hairs about battery life. This is one thing with the Nikon Z9 you are stuck with big battery no choice. did you also mention the prices of the two.
Have to disagree with the colour. I much prefer Nikon colours generally. I think it comes down to what system you generally use, to what you prefer. With dynamic range, the Nikon was always going suffer as it has a electronic shutter, though the 64 ISO does help slightly.
@@mbismbismb Canon fans always raved about Canon colors because they were warmer. But warmer, while pleasing, just means that the colors aren't accurate. Those haters who tried to demean Nikon always repeated these stories to get their digs in like they did with the D600. I left Canon for Nikon years ago for many reasons and have never looked back. I've never had to correct colors in any of hundreds of thousands of photos. But don't take my word for it here's what Thom Hogans site says about it: "But my Nikon DSLRs are definitely not (green). Neither are yours."
The Nikon was way more neutral until there was some kind of wb mistake done on the Nikon. Looks like operator error because you can see how the whole gamut is way off
@@TheSlantedLensI'm taking about the look of it on the back of the camera! I know why they put it there. They made a camera with a huge problem of heating. The camera can't be used for video at all, it will shut down! So that very same super intelligent engineers gave us this super ugly solution for a problem they have created! First of all, this product couldn't be released at all. They lied to us selling a product we couldn't use because it overheats! Then, they install this fan that was not supposed to be there! And it looks ugly, very weird!
While functionality and quality nowhere near mirrorless cameras, today most of the smart phones and action cameras could shoot 8K videos more than 50MP photos, sole purpose of photo shoot cameras selling price higher than 2000$ can't shoot 8K60p or high MP photos. This will bring the end of cameras just like the end of film cameras.
Perhaps in the future. But cameras have a lot of features that phones don't have. And the sensors are tiny and don't blow up well for large prints and advertising imagery.
Hey guys You Put canon z9!! 😫😫😫 it’s Nikon Z9!!!! I’m a huge fan!!!!!!! Keep the good work!!!!
Such an unfortunate mistake. At least I could fix it!
Canon does noise reduction in camera, even to raw files. This is probably the difference you are seeing in noise.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing!
Bought the Z9. Best hybrid video camera on the market today!
What cameras can you compare it with?
Good to hear. Glad you are happy with your purchase!
Nikon Z9 is a Winner! ❤🙌🏼
Thanks for sharing your vote!
It looks like the R5C is doing some more processing to the raw files before they’re saved out than the Nikon. They’ve done this consistently on the R-series.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing!
No, the R5c is not processing it's 8K R in any way. It's a flat profile. The slanted lens didn't record 8K RAW from the R5c. You have to have an external battery source to do that and they did not record 8K raw like they said they did.
8K raw on the R5c is flat and noisier then what they show. They just kinda bypass the flat RAW straight out of camera look and jump to a color corrected noise reduction image for both cameras. That's not fair to either camera because you can push the highlights too far and over expose.
Great comparison, and I'd agree with your findings, but I feel its worth mentioning that the nikon has a full size hdmi port which is far more robust than the mini port on the r5c.
For me the great battery performance of the Z9 is the deciding factor, I can live with the extra size nowing I'm not going to run out of power every few minutes, and the Nikon is way more ergonomic if you have to rig external power on the r5c.
Great points! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I've noticed Canon has clearly cheapened out on its Pro-sumer line of lenses. The Canon Cinema Series lenses are breathtaking, but I see how they lack proper contrast values in the regular line of lenses versus the Nikon Pro-Sumer line of lenses, which have superior contrast and color rendition across the broad range of still and video test shots you have made. Nikon is the clear winner here, based on the optics. 👍👀
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
What program are you developing the files in. Adobe makes a mess of Nikon files. Try Capture One amazing difference!
We used Camera Raw. Good to know.
Yep, due to the noise at Z9 examples, I was sure you were using Camera Raw. Capture One is the best for Z system.
Nikon for me as an all rounder
Thanks for sharing your vote!
I would love camera technicians to concentrate on a max of 1600 iso and make it badass .. super clean and bright ...lighting and flash are required after this for me ...and I still don't like using above iso 800... 💜👍🏽
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Adobe Raw and LR will make z9 file noisier. Had Nikon rep look at my file as I complaint about high noise ratio at 1000, 2000+ ISO. Nikon rep said Adobe hasn’t update their applications to support new Z9 file format. He recommends using Nikon Studio to process Z9 raw file. It definitely was better but Capture One does it a lot better.
So Z9 owner beware. Don’t use Adobe Raw/LR just yet. Capture One - 30 days free trial or Nikon Studio download for free.
Great advice. Thanks for sharing your experience!
He compares focus, Nikon wins, then he doubts his results because "Canon autofocus is usually spot on". Why do a comparison test if you're going to revert to widely held assumptions?
The R5C AF is not the same as the R5, sounds like he's confused. The Z9 should have better AF.
The Z9 did perform better with the autofocus!
Heads up for anyone buying, make use of all the customizable buttons on the z9, for me it has been a game changer in work flow coming from a Z6 and older DSLR cameras, feels like I'm using a z6 plus an atmos - hopefully Nikon add's false colours, LUTS and vectorscopes
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
why was the nikon so green at 6:55?
That was a mixed lighting situation and the two cameras handled it differently. Can be corrected in post.
On the contrary, I like this greenness - then the person is better separated from the background.
Why your title says Canon Z9?
I thought it’s new model
Yeah, one of those oops moments!
As far as the ISO test and Canon being cleaner with no colorful noise, it is just doing it in camera, which results in less detail, softer image. It is maybe 1 step less when editing, but maybe you would want to choose if you want softer cleaner image or edit in post and get it somewhere in between? Companies are getting smarter to show less weaknesses and have "better results for marketing purposes" and if you don't analyze what's happening and why, you can think- oh this is better, or this is not, so 50/50. I prefer the colors from the Nikon. Colorful noise- I can remove it with 1 click/slide, but matching colors is pain.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
What software are you using for the image comparison? When I got the Z9, I was really disappointment with the noise. When I moved to Capture1 from LightRoom, I was shocked. The noise is really much cleaner than in LR. Color was more pleasing as well.
We use Adobe Raw. Great to hear about the noise reduction. We will check it out!
Nikon Z9 all the way!
Thanks for sharing your vote!
'beautiful beautiful color science' ; 'if we corrected these they would be identical' -- which is it?
RE digital noise, there is a Z9 hickup rn where Adobe suite adds noise. Comparisons are more accurate for the time being w NX Studio
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
By far one of the best comparisons. I have had similar results. Very helpful. Tks
Good to hear. Thanks for your comment!
10:00 digital noise means nothing, you have luminance noise and color noise, which was stronger with the Nikon.
Also the iso amplification does not use the same technology with integer multiples of 100 ISO and non integers multiples. Also, when you did the DR test, you want to have a controlled environment, and therefore the sun and different moments are not helping.
Great points. Thanks for watching!
Love these comparisons
Great to hear. Thanks for your comment!
I have the Z9, been in the Nikon system for 15 years so i do like the Z a lot, so a fun video to see. One thing i wonder about the fan on the Canon, how weather resistant is that one? Im doing a lot of wildlife and with the Z, heavy rain is like,, well we get soaked but not a problem, its just water. So i wonder what the RC5 user say, is it okay or pack up and go home? It also had a surprise of the AF, i thought that Canon was ahead of Nikon on that part, so fun to see that they has made big progress there. Thanks for a good compare video. Marry Christmas :)
I would say in the rain you should cover your camera with a plastic bag type of cover no matter what brand. There are a variety of brands available: bhpho.to/3GiIKl3
Good comparison. Which raw converter did you use for the still images? There is growing awareness that Adobe ACR or Lightroom produces a noisier file on the Z9 than Capture One or Nikons own software. The fact that the Nikon held up better in the video high ISO comparison confirms it even more.
Nice try! It's common knowledge that both Canon and Nikon files render far better (and cleaner) in Capture One Pro. Nikon high ISO performance is lagging the competition in mirrorless cameras. I'm only shooting an RP at the moment, soon buying an R6 to have 2 FF bodies. My RP has noticeably better ISO performance than the Z7ii and Z9 cameras. The R6 is better still. I'm amazed at how early in the ISO range I start to see noise in Nikon images. I think the Z6ii may be very good though.
Did we watch the same video? The Nikon fell apart quicker in ISO in both video and stills. It had horrible colour noise and the image was softer, probably suggesting it applied more noise reduction. The biggest surprise to me was that the Canon has better dynamic range. The highlight recovery was clearly better.
We used Adobe Camera Raw. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@cooloox First of all, compare 20mp camera to 45mp camera in terms of noise is not fair if you zoom both to 100%. Canon is also applying noise reduction to raw file, but Nikon isn't. Nikon persevere better details due to this, and you can get better noise reduction in post. Nikon uses the BSI sensor from Sony, which is known to have very good high iso performance compare to Canon's FSI sensor.
what software you was using to edit those files. compared to Adobe Nikon's own software create clean files of Z9.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing!
Canon z9?!
Crazy mistake. Thanks for watching!
On the auto focus at 7.23 min. What was the setting on the Canon? Was face or eye tracking used. Was the setting turned up for faster focus?
We did used eye tracking. We did not set the cameras for faster focus.
Very nice test, JP. It seemed to me that you were actually testing post-processing quality differences for these cameras. I recently bought into Topaz's holy trinity and feel the question is justified why Lightroom never got to this quality level. I guess the answer is that the Mudbricks used our subscription money to develop more code variants with similar or reduced functionality e.g. for mobile, and pay bonuses to the board. While being very slow on innovation.
The first portrait in the video showed the model's hair darker in the 105/2.8S shot and that may have been optics with less glare.
The slightly blown out highlight in the Nikon shot at neutral exposure may be a case of slight over-exposure. Or difference in how one vendor relates correct exposure to ISO versus the other (the ISO institute has no opinion of correct exposure relative to the ISO parameter).
As to noise, deeper in the dynamic range, it would be interesting, in the case of Nikon, to compare raw processing in different apps: Lightroom (=Camera Raw), Capture One, Topaz, DxO, and Nikon NX Studio. If you could render a raw file "as is" you would be in shock and horror from its ugliness. You would only see color noise and luminance noise. Raw processing must fix that and software quality is of the utmost importance in that.
Thanks for sharing our knowledge and thanks for watching!
With the Nikon, having an electronic shutter does effect the dynamic range slightly, though the fact that it is able to shoot at ISO 64, does help a little. Of course the big issue with the Z9 currently is getting hold of one. Greys of Westminster have only just managed to fulfil their day 3 orders of the Z9, which is a little farcical and to be honest, after 20+ years of using Nikon, I have decided to get a GFX 100s because even if Nikon did announce a Z7III/Z8 it would probably take a year to get hold of the camera.
That is a really good point about supply!
@@TheSlantedLens Z9 are in stock at Amazon up to twice a month. I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and will be arriving in a few days.
What software did you use for raw conversion? Adobe is notoriously bad with a few of the newer cameras right now. Especially with noise.
We used Adobe Camera Raw.
It’s really stupid that canon positioned the fan like they did. They should have added a vertical grip with the fan.
We thought it was weird at first but it didn't get in the way.
Over all I would have to give it to Nikon.
It really is a great camera!
Camera raw doesn’t play well with the Z9. There’s been comparisons made with capture one and there’s a big difference in noise.
I think comparisons like this should be made with each manufacturers own raw developer to really show the capabilities of the system as a whole.
Good suggestion. I think Nikon should play nice with the industry standard Photoshop and camera raw. Don't get me wrong I do love and use capture one.
The nikon 105mm 2.8 is really not a good lens for subject tracking... it's a very slow macro lens... nikon has made an update that has made it much more responsive...
Good to know. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@TheSlantedLens no problem. If you put a 50mm, 85mm, 70-200 , 200 f2, 400 ect on that Z9 you'll see a drastic difference in AF SPEED... as well as any SWM F Mount lens.. anything but that 105 Marco.
The canon's color info gets blurred at high ISO that's why you only see noise in the illumination info. (denoises the chroma channels)
It would be nice if this could be turned off, but afaik you cant turn that off... That is also why the Nikon seems to keep more color detail when zoomed out.
But I still prefer the canon as it is more predictable/consistent.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about color!
Do love my z9. Every camera has pros and cons. For my needs the z9 wins hands down.
The Z9 is an amazing camera. Kudos to Nikon!
@@TheSlantedLens Heck yea. They went from the dugout to a grand slam super fast.
I was excited to see this video appear in my feed. I have both the R5C and the Z9, and have been on the fence about which to keep for a couple of months. I'm leaning towards keeping both until the R1 comes out, and then I'll sell the Z9 because I prefer Canon ergonomics to Nikon, and I'm more heavy into RF glass. In practical terms, AF and IQ are close enough that I wrote them off as a deciding factors early on in my evaluation. Also, if internal RAW video wasn't a must have for me, I definitely would have considered the A1 as well.
The Z9 is a more versatile camera I can take anywhere and standalone shoot just about anything without constantly needing to mind the battery. I prefer the rear screen design to the R5C's flippy screen targeted at tubers & bloggers. The Z lenses are better suited to video IMHO, with less breathing and near parfocal. However, the Z9 is a heavy beast, so I'm not inclined to take the Z9 when needing to pack a camera alongside other gear (when considering whole system, since currently no Z70-200/4). Also, Resolve is your only choice at this time if editing RAW video, so this could slow down workflow for some users. Resolve is my go-to for grading and editing, so not a problem for me.
The R5C is a relief to hold next to the Z9 and is much more travel and backpack friendly **IF** you're already taking a USB-C PD charger with you, which I always do. Often overlooked in reviews is that, when in video mode, the R5C draws power at about the same rate whether recording or not, and depends on format/fps -- so you can easily eat into your shoot time if going about setting up the shot at a gingerly pace so, when shooting video, I often supply power via USB PD. Of course, for anybody shooting in a studio environment or rigging out the camera, the battery is a non-issue, but I'm an outdoors shooter and rigging out the camera defeats the entire point of the camera IMHO. The R5C shines compared to the Z9 in shooting video, with a complete set of monitoring tools and flexible file formats having broad NLE support (and no pending legal litigation for internal RAW). I also generally prefer the graded footage I get out of the R5C to the Z9, but this could be on me. There's not much mindshare to draw on when it comes to grading Nikon RAW by comparison to Canon, and I run into speedbumps such as Nikon RAW not being included in the list of source gammas in Resolve's color matching tool. Simply put, Canon system is more mature than Nikon, at least regarding RAW video in mainstream tools. Although the Z9 IBIS does a better job of smoothing out the jitters than the R5C, it's evident from watching the video that it originated from a hybrid camera. R5C with lens OIS helps smooth the footage while maintaining a more cinematic feel -- I don't even bother with the digital IS. Switching photo and video modes on the R5C feel disruptive, but not for the reason everybody talks about (the 5-7 sec). The two modes have completely different OSes, and several of the buttons have different mapping so it feels like you're working with two cameras in one body instead of one camera in different modes (like the Z9). Also, because of the different OSes, the AF behavior in the R5C is more limited compared to what you get in stills mode (or on the R5 or Z9 when shooting video). Still, if not for the battery life issue, I'd take the R5C over the Z9 if I had to choose between the two, but only because of what and how I shoot -- YMMV, naturally.
I want to buy the nikon z9, but its like $1k more than the R5C. The only thing ive heard bad is the battery R5C eats batteries like nothing and thats why I haven't ordered one and have been looking at the z9. I also heard the HDMI on the rc5 is bad like itll break easily.
Wow, thanks for sharing all your knowledge!
Yep, that Canon did fly through the batteries!
@@ignorantboxing R5C doesn't have a full-size HDMI port but a micro :/
Excellent review and analysis.
cannon images are hazy, Nikon is sharp and look at the colours.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Can't afford a R5c, but disappointed nonetheless at the IBIS and focusing issue. Still on a 6dii and just nothing from canon to make me go mirorless.
My experience with the Canon R with the Sigma 85 Art verses the 6D mii and the Sigma art was substantial at f1.4. Rent an R6 and adapter and see how it works with your glass and shooting style.
@@jeffreyhill4705 Nah, I'm just going to wait and see what comes out this year. There's rumours of an RP2, but I hope they change it to use LP E6 batteries.
The R5C is a cinema camera and doesn't have IBIS at all. It has electronic image stabilisation, but should really be used on a gimbal or some other stabilisation device.
@mandofan It also has inferior AF to the R5 and gets a performance hit if you don't shoot with an external power supply.
@@mandofan2616 I'm waiting for the RP replacement too, or buying an R6 to have alongside my RP.
@@cooloox its just another expensive failure by Canon.
Does the canon fan eat up more power?
I would guess that it does. That Nikon has a big battery and the Canon battery is smaller and thus needs to be charged more often.
The z9 has a bigger lens mount which makes it better at gathering light, so i wonder if the base photo's in the dynamic range test are equally exposed. The Nikon base images are probably slightly brighter. i Wonder how the results would be if you'd adjust the images to be equally exposed. Also did you test this at 100 iso? how does nikon's iso 32 compare to canon's base iso.
We start out at 400 ISO.
The R5C is a cinema camera with cinematic features.8K video on the R5C is better than the Z9. 8K video dynamic range is better on the R5C. Thanks for the comparison. The Z9 looks like a beast of a camera.
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
Cinema cameras don’t have autofocus.
@@mrg6424 The C70, R5C and RED Komodo do and also the FX3. You need to get up to date G.
@@contentm3893 most cinema cameras don’t have autofocus…and I wouldn’t consider the C70 or R5c as cinema cameras, even though you could use them(like any video camera)in that capacity.
@@memcrew1 The RED Komodo is a cinema camera. The Canon C70 is also a cinema camera. Do some research.
Great video on those Canons Jay P. ;-) Now, who plays the piano?
That is what happens when you are in a hurry!
I have not tried the canon RF 100 macro, I do have the EF 100 Macro, it is a bit slower at focusing, more accurate for still subjects. Not sure that impacts the results. Maybe a future firmware for the camera or the lens.
Good thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
your model looks like a moovie crush for me. i love her. so unique. :)
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Already figured out work around for r5 3 hours record at 8k no overheating
What is your solution?
The R5c is basically a R5 without the IBIS.
I wonder how the R7 will be. They do have the r3 autofocus on the apsc censor
Apparently the AF is not the same, there are some differences. I seem to recall that there are some performance hits (not just battery life) when running the R5C off the battery compared to running off an external power source.
The R3 would have made a better comparison as it, too, has no overheating issues, but has superior AF and superior high ISO performance over the R5C.
@@cooloox yeah I think the R3 is their flagship now but a low megapixel count is what lags behind in that camera. I guess we will need to wait until the R1
Is an R5 with better video and no over heating. It offers a lot of codecs and video options that a normal hybrid doesnt. the 4k is top notch as it is always coming from the 8K. So you get more Dr also with a sharper cleaner image in all video scenarios. The battery life is crap so you do have to find something battery than the canon batteries.
@@RayValdezPhotography it's an R5 without chip stabilisation. So if you are doing anything handheld it will be a problem
@@answeris4217 handheld existed way before ibis and is still used without ibis. Ibis is nice but not needed. Its best for light weight cameras because gravity isnt helping with the shakes just your arms and long focal lengths. I use the c70 over the r5 and r3 any day and it has no ibis. And with canon the wooble is pretty bad under 28 MM with their ibis
To me it seems the Canon had better image quality at higher iso. Both look like awesome cameras.
They are both. Either one would be awesome to own!
Thats the noise reduction, it also slighty blur the image. Nikon does not apply noise rexuction to raw file.
Nikon had the better dynamic range to my eye. Also its weird how you fear grain. What matters most is capturing the moment. Even if its at ISO 10000.
Very true. Better to get an image with grain than not get an image!
…Said no one ever!
Nikon Z9 is a beast. Has the better colours here hands down. Good colour saturation.
Z9 is a great camera. The Z8 is also one to consider.
I know 2 artist out of many in my community(Cincinnati Ohio, film and photo, I’ve been shooting professionally for over 20 years)that shoot Nikon. I really wonder how they survive.
Nikons are really solid, good professional cameras!
That’s the thing with anecdotal evidence. Things are different in different places. Nikon is quite dominant in some circles.
wrong title
Thanks, that was an oops!
What were the settings at the start of each pick?
Setting changed on each set up.
You need to correct the title. "Canon Z9"?
That was an unfortunate error. Thanks for watching!
Nice review. I already have a few Z lenses so the conclusion would be foregone were I in the market for such a body.
Sounds like a good plan. Thanks for watching!
Error on the title of video should be Sony Z9
LOL. Yep, should be Nikon Z9. Thanks for watching!
It was NOT a fair comparison Z9 and R5S which is NOT a flagship camera.
A fair comparison had been Z9 vs R3.
But it made Nikon appear like a better camera, which I think was the purpose.
R3 is not a flagship. So this comparison makes more sense. There is no current mirrorless flagship from canon right now. A rumored R1 is supposedly coming but it is still rumor.
We thought they were actually a really great two cameras to compare.
I find the R5 more comparable to the Z9 tbh
Why is the last 3 minutes of this video all about the 5C? I don't have either camera but the Nikon dominated in this video. They are not close as you suggest.
Thanks for sharing your choice!
Nikon
Thanks for sharing your choice!
How did you record 8K raw from the R5C? You need a different battery source. You didn't mention this.
You definitely need an alternate battery source for shooting 8K with the R5C.
@@TheSlantedLens What did you guys use an alternate battery source?
@@TheSlantedLens Did you record 8K raw on the R5c? That's not 8K raw video that you showed in the video above. You won't tell us what battery source you used to power the R5c and 8K raw will be much noisier and would handle the lamp light better. Please give and update.
@@contentm3893you can shoot 8k raw without external power…. Just not at 60fps… you can shoot 8k using the raw LT codec up to 30fps with the standard battery… I own one it’s all I use.. the raw LT is pretty much a clog 2 curve 👌🏽
By only shooting with the 105 the test is seriously flawed. The Z 105 is not the fastest focusing lens in the bunch.
Thanks for your feedback and thanks for watching!
The 105 is more than fast enough for this test - person moving around.
Nikon looks better. :)
Thanks for sharing your preference!
NIKON
Thank you for sharing your vote!
#weathersealing... no contest...
Nikon is much more of an outdoor camera.
Nikon looks more cinematic, the Canon look videoish.
Good observation. Thanks for sharing!
thx. the model is i could say cute :)
Thanks for watching. Hope you learned some good stuff!
First time I’ve ever seen another camera worse in the highlights than Canon. I guess there is hope after all.
Thanks for watching. Appreciate your comment!
I'm in disbelief that the R5C isn't more in focus. It's been phenomenal for me personally. It's almost as if you don't have the right settings because it just doesn't look like the R5C I know at all. Even the R6, which I also own and love for its AF, would be better than these here.
Good to hear you have had great success with yours. Thanks for your comment!
R5C has worse video af than the normal R5.
Nikon👍
Thank you for sharing your vote!
Edit the title of this video, Canon does not offer a Z9.
Thanks for the head up. I guess my head was focused on Canon.
That’s a powerful name lol JPMorgan
My parents had high hopes!
Lacie 12big is better :D
We love ours. Thanks for watching!
Canon's colour is way better. For your quick reference, check it yourself from 6:54.
Canons colors are warmer. Warmer is not better no matter how many people like them. The Nikons colors are more accurate. He says it in the video.
It really is a personal preference!
I thought Nikon was way better until there was a strange white balance problem when doing the video test. The Nikon wb was way off.
Nikon skin tones all the way... You can see the red hue radiating on her skin, while the canon looks pale/yellowish....
Yeah, Canon does tend to run a little yellow.
Canon wins
you need to rename the title. by mistake you wrote Canon Z9.
Yep, that is what I get for trying to work to fast!
A fan on my camera is a deal breaker . . .
Why not use ice cubes?
If you don't have overheating issues then you are fine.
Canon Z9???? 😂😂
Who is the world did that? Next time we better proofread!
Canon wins hands down better color in all aspects and far better noise control as well as better higher iso range less artifacts . Don:t get me wrong Nikon has done well but not up to the Canon standard . My R5 has great ibis control so i cant understand what you had put settings on in the R5 . Every other pro review had no problems at all. Keep them coming Don:t forget that you can also put a battery grip on the R5 if you are picking hairs about battery life. This is one thing with the Nikon Z9 you are stuck with big battery no choice. did you also mention the prices of the two.
The R5 has IBIS, the 5C (which was used here) does not.
@@kevincassar8022 r5c is for professional, and professional will use gimbal for shooting video, its not for newbie
@@mbismbismb "professional" will use any tool that will get the results they need, preferably at the lowest possible cost.
Have to disagree with the colour. I much prefer Nikon colours generally. I think it comes down to what system you generally use, to what you prefer. With dynamic range, the Nikon was always going suffer as it has a electronic shutter, though the 64 ISO does help slightly.
@@MichaelLaing71 I normally like Nikon and Canon colours, but the Nikon colours were horrible in this video.
U really can tell the colour of canon is better than the green tint on nikon
There is no green tint anymore. That was years ago and only on the LCD screen. Nikon colors are more accurate than Canons.
@@TechSavvy. dont get me wrong i like nikon colours too... but i shoot with nikon dslr before i switch to canon so i know it has greenish tint to it
@@mbismbismb Canon fans always raved about Canon colors because they were warmer. But warmer, while pleasing, just means that the colors aren't accurate. Those haters who tried to demean Nikon always repeated these stories to get their digs in like they did with the D600. I left Canon for Nikon years ago for many reasons and have never looked back. I've never had to correct colors in any of hundreds of thousands of photos. But don't take my word for it here's what Thom Hogans site says about it: "But my Nikon DSLRs are definitely not (green). Neither are yours."
Color preference is a personal thing. Some people prefer warmer images. Some people prefer cooler images.
The Nikon was way more neutral until there was some kind of wb mistake done on the Nikon. Looks like operator error because you can see how the whole gamut is way off
This fan is horrible!!!
Are you talking about the fan on the R5C?
@@TheSlantedLensI'm taking about the look of it on the back of the camera! I know why they put it there. They made a camera with a huge problem of heating. The camera can't be used for video at all, it will shut down! So that very same super intelligent engineers gave us this super ugly solution for a problem they have created! First of all, this product couldn't be released at all. They lied to us selling a product we couldn't use because it overheats! Then, they install this fan that was not supposed to be there! And it looks ugly, very weird!
While functionality and quality nowhere near mirrorless cameras, today most of the smart phones and action cameras could shoot 8K videos more than 50MP photos, sole purpose of photo shoot cameras selling price higher than 2000$ can't shoot 8K60p or high MP photos. This will bring the end of cameras just like the end of film cameras.
Perhaps in the future. But cameras have a lot of features that phones don't have. And the sensors are tiny and don't blow up well for large prints and advertising imagery.
Canon Z9???? 😂😂
Oops! That's what I get for not proofreading!