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Canon R5c vs Sony A1 Hands On Video And Stills Camera Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Canon R5c vs Sony A1 Hands On Video And Stills Camera Comparison. We test image quality, autofocus, ISO, dynamic range and more to help you decide which Canon or Sony Flagship camera is right for you and if it makes sense to make the switch! #CanonR5C #SonyA1 #cameracomparison
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Very thorough comparison and I think your results indicate one would need to be an extreme-nerd camera techy-pro to turn down either camera. Best left as you and Haley decided: if you already have compatible glass, stick with that brand. Agree with you on the menu systems- cameras are getting so complicated (er, feature-bloated) that the menu systems need to be very helpful. Thank you both for a great presentation.
Appreciate your comment! Thanks for watching!
Hi Slanted Lens,
There are quite a few errors in this video that need to be pointed out. I truly hope that you take these criticism to heart because people will watch your video and make conclusions that they shouldn't. I do not do these kinds of videos because they are extremely time consuming and difficult to do correctly. With that said, let's begin.
1: 10 bit 4:2:2 8K recording
It is incorrectly stated that the 10bit 4:2:2 8K recording is for external recording. The 10 bit 4:2:2 recording is INTERNAL and selectable in XAVC HS, sourced from Sony's release notes. XAVC HS is not an external thing, it is an internal codec. Also, you are stating this right butted up against recording a raw external signal. 10 bit 4:2:2 cannot be a raw signal sent out through HDMI, so you need to work on your scripts here and read the manufacturer notes. Nowhere does Sony say that 10 bit 4:2:2 is a raw signal for external recording. This entire first few minutes has a lot of problems that need to be addressed.
2: 2:07... NO mention of the totally different video and photo software in camera on the R5c here? This is what sets this camera *most* apart from the Sony A1 and is a big reason it has a "C" as in cinema camera. You mention a red button, clearly a joke, but neglect to mention anything at all of the software that makes the R5c a cinema camera, for some reason. You say it *much* later, at the end, but due to how people watch videos on RUclips, this major difference in the two cameras should be a big highlight for owning the r5c for video production purposes and be mentioned at the head. The inclusion of waveforms and vector scopes is a huge bonus. Most of your audience will never hear this major difference maker between the two cams, if you were the only source of information, and that is a shame.
3: 4:13, Why on Earth would you shoot these wide open when studying the sensor image quality? How could that possibly give you an idea of the sharpness and color rendition or anything of value from the sensor? At 1.2 you are asking the lens to perfectly catch the focus and the image quality will rely far more on the quality of the optics and whether or not you got the subject in focus than anything else. You probably know this, that every lens operates "best" or at least "better" in terms of objective image quality measurements when stopped down at least around 2 stops from wide open, with f5.6 - f8 preferred for sensor quality testing far over wider apertures, as long as it is not causing diffraction with high res sensors. This is a camera test, not a high speed lens comparison is it not?
4: 4:29, you say you are color correcting these with raw images. Then you show images that look totally different from each other, and you then state later that they are jpgs, ok. Which color profile on each camera? They look entirely different from each other. Then you show at 5:09 raw images that are supposedly corrected to look similar. They are not, not even close. I do not understand the purpose of saying that you are correcting these images when they do not at all look similar. This is objective and measurable. I suggest trying out Capture One where you can get nearly identical images from raw files with no real effort so that your viewers can see how alike the images actually are.
5: 5:53... no moire pattern? You did not test for this at all, so why are you discussing it? The image is shot wide open with what I am guessing are the 50mm f1.2 lenses (since I don't recall that detail mentioned before we see results) and only shots of a face as the focus, not a situation or a pattern that would generally introduce moire to a sensor. Which codecs or resolution settings are used? This is important because that could also introduce moire, but you have not stated this. The only way you could possibly see moire is in a thin line of hair or sweater, which likely wouldn't happen on the vast majority of modern sensors no matter how prone to moire they are due to the shooting conditions, subject, framing, and lack of details you provided. f1.2 headshots like these hide A LOT of flaws with sensor moire and artifacts.
6: 5:55 the banding should not be there and it exists throughout. Did you sync the shutter speed with your light frequency? Did you turn on any anti-flicker modes? This can occur with any camera ever made if you are not exposing correctly with the right shutter speed for the environment or using clear scan, anti-flicker. Canon has very effective anti-flicker control and have had this for a long time, so I do not understand how you achieved this with the Canon and the a1 looks fine. You do not state why the banding is there, so people will immediately think its a problem with the camera when it is more than likely user error. Also, what picture profiles are used here? Log with a grade? A Rec709 profile? Its never stated?
7: 9:07, what color profiles and settings regarding noise, sharpness, etc. are being used? Which resolution? 8k, 4k? Binned? Oversampled? You do not have to test every setting, but the settings you do test really should be indicated somewhere so we can see how to replicate what you have done. You can put this at the bottom corners with the basic settings for each camera so other people can do the same tests, or you can give a full screen text detail of settings.
Autofocus Tests: Photo is fine, video I don't understand. Why vertical? Why only testing focus moving toward and away? No lateral movements going from edge to edge? What are your focus settings? Did you only test center point or eye? Why no talking head style AF test, where video AF can be atrocious/obnoxious (flitting back and forth between background and foreground) where the walking tests show flying colors?
Dynamic Range Tests: Important to note that the Canon R5 bakes noise reduction into its raw, so we can probably imagine that the r5c does the same. This test is fine to me and probably the best part of the video.
r5C Video Mode Criticism: The camera is designed as a cinema camera when used in video mode. The menus match the rest of their cine cameras. It makes far more sense for people using Canon Cinema line cameras, like this one, to use a similar menu system to match cameras together and keep the system the same across models. This is so needed and asked for by the production community that Sony has followed Canon's lead and introduced a Cine EI mode to the FX3 so that it matches closer with Sony's cine line than the alpha line when used for video. I understand you are apparently coming at it from a photographer's perspective, but for video makers or cinema camera users, this inclusion of the Canon cine system is a *welcome* change and a major reason to use it over many similar hybrid oriented cameras.
No mention of the exposure scopes (waveform AND vectors scopes) in the r5c compared to the Sony a1 either really makes this part of the video very difficult to watch. Those scopes are a huge upgrade for professional videographers/cinematographers and the lack of them in Sony's hybrid line (including the fx3) is an oversight that should be corrected by Sony.
Sony A1 Crop in 4K: Where did you come up with this? This criticism is entirely incorrect as the crop only exists in certain modes. Then you compare this to the Canon's larger crop from other cameras? I don't understand. 4K modes on the Sony a1 include:
• 4K full frame pixel binned up to 60p
• 4K 1.13x cropped pixel binned 120p
• 4K super 35 over sampled with 1.5x crop
This will conclude my criticisms. I honestly believe this video needs to be redone or removed due to its gross misrepresentation of both products. I am leaving this here on your video in hopes that others will see this comment and have some of the errors in this video corrected.
Good luck.
Wow, thanks for your input. Have a great week.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this video. I think that a quick re-edit of the video to explaining that it is very informal and should be lightly considered as a piece to inform purchasing decisions might remedy the situation. I do appreciate the time that it takes to put something like this together but it is very misleading.
i think this is one of the issues of youtube or internet in general, people have voice and people listen to these voices I i think we all could be less byass on how we tell things, for me this review has too many problems to be an objective review, too many errors that can make people take the wrong decisions. our voices in internet have power, lets use them carefully, not just to make clicks and money.
I was surprised to read your criticisms because they are very valid. I didn’t even realize the errors until you pointed them out. I’m a bit disappointed that Slanted Lens made little to no effort in acknowledging these errors.
I’m glad you pointed this out with a very detailed explanation.
Hello and thank you for the informative video. Some Canon and Sony lenses have image stabilization in the lenses. For the video stabilization tests, did you have image stabilization activated on the lenses for both the Canon and Sony? I was just wondering if the tests only show the camera's stabilization, or did you also have the lenses stabilization activated as well. Thank you for your help.
6:08 - what frame rates were you shooting with both cameras...and more importantly, what Shutter Mode were you shooting with on the R5C? You can change it to Clear Scan and dial in the Hz to remove the banding. Beauty of the R5C being a cinema camera as well as a stills camera.
Great to know. Thanks for sharing you knowledge!
It seems you have used the super 35 4k crop mode in the A1, rather than the full frame mode. As a result, the low light test reflects results from only half the sensor area. I am sure A1 low light performance is better when using the whole width of the sensor to collect light.
It was actually set on auto APS-C mode.
He did and it’s very easy to do with this camera but also very obvious. And it’s not like he doesn’t know how to use the camera. Actually he doesn’t. Soon as he said the A1 has 1.6x crop. Which is totally false. This camera can shoot full frame no crop in 8k and 4K. I used to like watching his videos but this was riddled with inaccuracies
@@thevintagelens @theslantedlens yeah, weird to say that in the end. Care to elaborate with your statement?
yeah, weird to say that in the end. Care to elaborate with your statement? What crop in 4k does the A1 have?
Great work with the the detailed review. Simple things like showing zoomed in photos to show sharpness, while demonstrating auto focus is definitely appreciated. Loved the video!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your feedback!
As others have stated, you are *completely* wrong about 4k crop. Sadly, this invalidates your exposure and noise tests. If you are honest, you should reshoot the tests. Or take this video down. There's enough bad 'reviewing' on utube already. Otherwise- I really liked your review style. Thank you for the large amount of effort you went to.
Thanks for your feedback and thanks for watching!
The banding pronounced in Canon, wow, thank you for this review, I am in the market for an A1 and checking out all my options, the 50 megapixel scare me a little, this video helped a lot.
Glad it was helpful! That A1 is a fantastic camera!
If you’re in the market for an A1 then stop at looking at Canon, because you’ll end up regretting your purchase.
I’m in the process of considering a new camera and lenses. These are the two cameras i’m looking at. I need a good stills camera and solid video. Reading the comments section helped a lot and I still appreciate the information in the video. It’s tough to do these. I may try and rent each one with a 50mm lens and see which one I prefer. The price point is also very critical. I would almost rather go with Canon and apply the cost savings to the lenses. Thanks!
Yeah, it is a hard decision. Renting them is a great idea!
I would actually like to see a more thorough comparison of video modes and codecs: clean log, graded log, ProRes 4-2-2 10bit, h.264, h.265, AV1, etc...
Also, what's the dynamic range (in percent) compared to rec.2020 in various ISOs/gain?
Nice ideas. A lot to cover in a review.
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Which one do you find yourself using more?
very useful and lively comparative analysis ... I am looking in to buy the canon r5c ... maybe it is the video AF which stops me, as I need to record dance with a moving camera and it is imposible to focus manually .... and apparently the r5c is less efficient than the r5 by canon, and probably than the Sony's. What I don't like in the Sony cameras (a7sIII FX3...) is that there is a certain electronic feel to it, with an AF that goes by steps while the canon R5 is organic as you say, and smooth, and also when you do a camera movement like a smooth panning, the canon feels much smoother than the Sony that shows some sort of "steps"
It's a hard decision. I think you will be happy with the R5c. it will not be perfect but video never is. Watch a good high end movie and you will see the focus fall off the subject at times. Good Luck!
What lenses did you use? They can make a big difference with respect to the hit rate on auto focus.
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Amazing Review! Impeccable analysis quality...!
Much appreciated! Thanks for your comment!
What is the crop factor with the Sony vs Canon? The Sony video images are cropped tighter (on video). Could you share. Thanks.
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We actually found out the camera was set to auto APS-C mode.
@@TheSlantedLens That is for 4K 120p only. No crop up to 4K60 and 8K30. 🙄
@@TheSlantedLens incorrect. Crop is only in 120p.
And about the Af test , she blinks a lot while shooting outdoor with r5c lol while shooting with a1 she doesnt blink even once that can also cause trouble to the tracking face and eye Af
That is interesting. We will have to check that out.
I don't get the idea why A1 has a crop in 4k. Maybe you shoot in super35 or APS-C mode. Or maybe it's the Active stabilization or 4k 120p that has a 1.13x crop.
"There is a 10% crop factor. E.g., a 50mm lens will give you a 35mm equivalent of about 55mm. It’s not a big difference, but it’s important to highlight, especially if you’re trying to match the Alpha 1 to other full frame cine cameras." wolfcrow.com/important-quirks-and-features-of-sony-alpha-1-for-cinematography/
Agreed. The crop only happens when shooting in 4k 120p. Otherwise it's full frame pixel-binned 4k readout with no crop.
After doing some research we found out it was set to auto APS-C mode.
The IBIS is not great for a video centric which the R5C certainly is, but the Sony color bit depth and gamma curve makes color grading in HDR and other factors an issue. Software can change sync speed. Use Venice in production, but Sony’s below that don’t stack up.
I use GFX 100s for stills work or some video as you have. You didn’t use flicker adjust on Canon. Sony has good things, but in pro work for broadcast or cinema it doesn’t hold up which is the colorist opinion and HDR.
Very good points. Canon definitely has great cinema color!
Loved it...you did not mention pricebut there is a huge difference between the 2 cameras...the A1 is 7k and the R5C is like 5?
Good point. And cost is a really important factor!
For the price difference, I would take Canon hands down (As sales also agree) Sony does a great job no doubt.. Canon is by far superior.
Can the a1 record 10-bit 4K 120fps with sound?
I don't think so. Your sound would be very distorted. What would you be using it for?
Don't shoot the crop 4K on the A1, shoot 8K. If you can afford one of these cameras, you can afford a good enough machine to handle 8K files (it's really not that demanding compared to a few years ago). In-camera oversampled 4k is really overrated in general? It's not that much of a time or space-saver, the end result is the same compared to shooting 6k or 8k for a 4k timeline, and you sacrifice the ability to zoom/crop in post.
Also, there's nothing wrong with the pixel-binned 4K60/4K120 on the A1, or pixel-binning in general. You still use the full sensor and get full dynamic range/information. Line-skipping, which it is commonly confused with, is the method to be avoided, as it only uses 25% (1/2) or 44% (2/3) of the sensor.
If you can afford this camera then you can afford a bigger computer. And if you can afford a bigger computer you can afford a faster car. And if you can afford a faster car. You obviously need a mansion to park it in front of. And if you have a mansion you obviously can afford a yacht. Which means you are somewhere in the Bahamas and you don't care anymore.
@@TheSlantedLens An Nvidia 3070 can be had for 400 used or 600 new, and even entry-level M Macs can handle 8K within reason.
Finally, someone doing camera image tests correctly.
I'm a Canon user for years but I find that background fluttering distracting in the R5c videos. I'd like to give the A1 my own test run.
Great idea. Rent one for a shoot and see what you think!
i´m not sure you draw the right conclusion at it seems the canon shows an overall lower contrast in your samples and the WB is also off , so the converter plays a undeniable roll and without seeing the histogram it has not much value anyway.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and keep on clickin!
I'm not at your level of photography. I totally dislike just phase detect(only). Nasty experience with lack of micro adjusting with DSLRs(entry to midrange models)...it's fast but hybrid auto focus - trounces just phase detect (for accuracy), especially cameras lower down the price scale. Contrast detect is well known as being more accurate...but combine the 2 (hybrid auto focus)...great IMHO. I'm sort of basing this on DSLRs. Mirrorless - not so much.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The issue you have with micro-adjusting on DSLRs is solely on the alignment of the mirrors within the camera, not the phase detect autofocus system. Knowing that, your observations are not drawing the conclusions that you think they are.
@@gameshoes A reasonable statement. I know all about the technicalities, if you google and research the different modes, contrast detect is more accurate but not as quick as phase detect. With the two together - you have the best of both worlds (hybrid autofocus) this has been covered by photographers on here but I wonder if they forget this fact - at times. Panasonic sticking to their Depth From De-focus system is great for photos but suffers in video where others have either implemented phase detect often with hybrid auto focus. Your statement is valid though.👍
You can remove the flicker with the R5c....
You can also change the shutter speed slightly but I wanted the shutter speed to be the same for the test.
nice..but if you buy a lens with stabilisation..i love canon..nice color..tx
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment!
You want EVF on C70?
Try your luck with FX3/FX6
Looks like the lens in your eyes is really slanted towards Sony
Actually prefer the C200 or C300 for cinema.
Ikr i already can tell in the beginning of this video, he already said trash things about canon, what A1 has that the r5c doesnt have and the girl beside him grin like an id*ot
😀 😃 🙂 👍
Glad you liked it. Thanks for tuning in!
Lovely video! Thank you. For future tests , may I say, the iso test and the under and over test gets long and boring. Please try to condense or eliminate those tests.
Thanks for your feedback. We will consider it.
Canon was going brazy on her shirt while testing the stabilization, wonder if it’s the lens when I used to shoot with rokin they used to do that randomly. Or maybe is a lack of a low pass filter idk
Not sure. Thanks for sharing your observation!
J.P. Morgan goes to the bank. You do the testing that I would do to rate a camera. Very few reviewers own a calibrated LUX meter, which is critical in comparing two cameras.
I own a Z9, A7rIVa, and R5C. One of these cameras is a mistake purchase, with a capital M. The Canon has poor focusing as a "professional" video camera, and is bulky as heck. Heading to a store to get a Sony A1.
Wow, you have some nice gear. Enjoy your A1!
didn't like the treatment from exposure and more... even the base shots with over-exposure in the background to and more
Hope you learned a thing or two. Both amazing cameras.
Canon all the way!
Thanks for sharing your preference!
Maybe your Sony A1 has crop for 4k, but niether of mine do.
That is something we will check on.
We found out the camera was set to auto APS-C mode for 4k.
@@TheSlantedLens Just as well. The aps crop vid is higher quality than the moire ridden full frame 4k. Best to shoot 8k and rez down in post. Now that's a sweet file!
Thanks for the reply. I enjoy your content.
lol next we’ll compare apples to baseball bats.
In the begining of the video u already trying to point out what the A1 one has that the Canon doesnt 😏 not the other way around. This should be a soft marketing sale ads for sony
Just sharing what we found in reviewing these two great cameras!
Sensitive and delicate fanboys are the bane of the internet. So touchy.
@@ffl26092 Concur. We must treat these delicate fanboys like delicate women. Muriyanto Muriyanto sounds like a C-male. Let him figure that out!
Sony's color looks much nicer.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The era of Canon dominance has passed.
Maybe so. Let's see what the future brings!
The A1 shoots both full sensor and crop modes in all video modes..
Good point. Thanks for sharing!
Sony A1 wins!
Thanks for sharing your choice!
Basically sonny brighter sharper, with more poppy colours, while being smaller, better screen stabilazation, smaller and beter lenses, anly grope is lcd resolution, type a express card, no 8k 60p option, no 4k 120p or at least 4k 60p oversampling in full frame mode, no super 16 mode, no 6k option in super 35 mode, no 4k 120 fps in super 35 mode, no articulating screen, price. r5c more comfortable though with a an, depth wise more bulky though same weight, aster cheper card with much more sarage though no redandent recording, no internal ibis, bigger lcd res though less brightness, bit worse colours on lcd, 8k 60 though only with usb-c, 70-200 lenses ae external zooms moer compact, 100-500 lens 100-4000 compact lens, 14-35, 15-35 is heqavy 24-70 mediocare, pencake primes are bad for video wose qualiy than sony, loud autofocus, beter more smooth comfortable design, moe smooth looking and also smooth in dóthe hand lenses hough bigger and heavier than sony, worse autofocus in video aaragely, overcomplicated menu for basic things, too much wait beween photo and video mode.
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
A1 one has no: -flip screen, No e-stab, No internal raw, no 8k downsampling, no fan, no false color, no waveform, no shutter angle, no 8k 60p, no s16 crop mode....r5c is a real híbrid
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
What a weird pairing. I would say the Canon R1 or current R3 would be equivalent. LOL
And what was your conclusion after watching?
No comment on price difference lol
True, the Canon is more affordable!
Wow this video is terrible. So many inaccuracies. I used to like your channel but I’m unsubscribing. You know there nothing wrong with admitting you made mistakes with the video. But I read the comments and you continued to defend yourself. The worst one was saying in your video that the A1 has 1.6 crop. Well, yes if you put in that mode but no it shoots lovely full frame 8k and 4K. You need to do your homework!
Sorry to see you go.
We actually found out the Sony was set on auto APS-C mode for 4k.
Your bias is very apparent in how your present this comparison. Overemphasising Canon's issues and merely mentioning Sony's. Making a big deal out of small issues. It was clear early on.
I shoot both Canon and Sony. I wanted the R5C to be better at auto focus and If it was I would have bought it at once.
A7siii loves 12800 lol
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
… that awful flickering of the R5C footage. Why is the a1 here so much better? 🤨
I could have made a slight adjustment to the shutter speed and it would have helped the Canon. But I wanted to shoot them on the same shutter speed.
First.
Thanks for being first and watching! Keep on clickin!
By the way R5, R5 C and R3 are not flagship cameras in Canon line.
No?
So what do you consider the flagship. The R5 C is the best crossover camera Canon makes.
@@TheSlantedLens it is the best cross over but canon themselves said neither of their current mirrorless camera are flagship
Not real. Paid by Sony.
Nope, not paid by any camera company. Thanks for watching.