Can't remember the last time I've watched an entire NBA game. After watching about half a quarter I get bored or frustrated with all the weak foul calls and pointless three point shots and I turn it off.
I remember when an NBA team has only 1 at most 2 three point specialist (like chess, everybody has their own role). When ray Allen shot a 3, it feels really amazing and very important because it was rare. Now everyone is just shooting 3 pointers, it became boring.
Exactly my point also 💪💪💪 even those uncontested layups and dunks doesn't feel the same because they are uncontested. Back then you always said ohhhh or ahhhh when a dunk or a nice layup was made in the traffic. Now everyone moves out the way. In my opinion all of the fun elements are gone, contested layups/dunks, bigman game inside, fadeaway jumpers in the middle, all players had thier different roles, good defense, variety in the game or between teams, franchise players who stays with one team instead of chasing easy money, lack of interest/passion in general, no trash talking, no competivness. All of that is pretty much gone since about 10-12 years ago
The worst take of all: "The players are more skilled now!" (as they forget how to shoot the middy) while ignoring that _when you only take one to three 3pt attempts per game, a far higher proportion of your total 3pt attempts are going to be end-of-quarter AND shot-clock beating chucks/heaves._ ...compare that to now, where players take many more 3pt shots in rhythm - with spacing - to give the shooter more time before the closeout gets there. Players also now will intentionally avoid taking end-of-quarter heaves - just to keep their self-serving 3pt% "up". (as they forget how to shoot the middy)
@@jbiehl8478 Nah. That's an excuse. Despite more foreign talent in the NBA, the vast majority of the best players are still from the USA. We have LeBron, KD, Steph, Harden, Kyrie, Booker, Kawhi, AD, etc. That team on paper would smash the best of the rest. And most other Olympic teams only have a small handful of NBA players, with most of them not being stars. So it's definitely not a matter of talent. Pretty sure we lost to a team led by Patty Mills. 🤢
The defense is there. They need to emphasize more. There's more space to cover because of the three pointer...forcing defenders to cover more ground to contest shooters. And that's why teams play more zone type defenses...to occupy the "zone" of their nearby offensive player but also able to provide help-side. Or teams, for the most part, play man-to-man but just provide hell of help-side.
Basketball has been ruined for years. Did people really think the game would get more challenging once they practically removed players' ability to play defence?
They call too much contact and the refs are inconsistent. They also need to put some techs and big fines on all this flopping. I would say if they catch a flop after reviewing tape that’s a fine. If they catch it in game, especially after a review it’s a tech & a fine.
@Daniel Harper dont blame the warrior boy for being so goddamn good that everyone want to be a wannabe warrior like blame the other team for abandoning their style and focusing on 3 now
@Daniel Harper sure sounds like it……so tell me what you mean not even the warrior can shoot like the warrior cause that shit is dumb as fuck like go on tell me
What’s even more frustrating is lot of these guys aren’t even good free throw shooters. Before we were taught don’t even try to take 3s if you can’t make your free throws.
Everyone has one go to move. The three pointer. Talent has left and all you're stuck with now is a lot of Steve Kerrs out there looking like the GOAT of this era. Steve could have done what they're doing too, but back then we understood there was more to basketball than just standing and jacking up 3s. 🤣
I can't even watch an NBA game today. There's no physicality. What would Shaquille O'Neal do in the NBA today? Rick Mahorn? Dennis Rodman? It's all threes and easy layups. Sucks.
Just sprint to the basket, take the ball and score. They can’t foul you. If they do take your free throws and more than likely, three point plays. Because who the hell can stop those guys at full speed?
AGREE!!!!!! This one really affect me lol I'm the type of guy who hussle under the basket and it is so frustrating that everytime I play pick up games 4 of my teammates is relentlessly jacking up 3s leaving me under the rim fighting for rebounds against 4 defenders lmao
Definitely and completely. It's equivalent to throwing balls into a basket at a funfair event . Nothing more. NBA is now owned and monopolized by the irritating teeth guard showman steve curry. There's no more curry left for basketball fans to look forward to. I for one have lost interest completely in NBA games nowadays.
Bro, I was watching highlights months back with the Lakers vs Magic with Los Angeles playing in Orlando. I kid you not, there was not one mid-range jumper in the whole highlights. It was all threes or layups with the occasional dunks. Super boring game.
For too many teams today, the NBA game devolves into a style of play that resembles offensive drills. The lack of defense (or offense that seeks to challenge any defense) is astounding.
Super hard to play aggressive defense when if you breathe on a dude, you've just gifted them 3 shots from the stripe and if they nailed their trey, they are turning in a 4 point play. Can't chance a 4 point swing so no defense and hope you hit your three at the other end to keep pace.
Why......hand checking is really holding a player to negate his quickness......it's like pushing a player with your arms extended ......it's an obvious foul.
If by bs you mean time advancing forward than yes, Chucks old head mentality assures me that EVERY ASPECT OF HIS ADULT LIFE is managed by a much younger, much more consciously aware individual. To be fair, that's all older people minus the ones actively embracing change and progress 🤷♂️
BRING DEFENSE BACK When players are pushed to the limit that's when they get creative. See how intense the NBA was 20 years ago and how aggressive they were. I'm not saying they should go back to 80s basketball but just allow more contact.
I actually believe that bringing physical defense back can minimize the injuries thats plaguing the league now. Players now only have to rely on their lower body to keep up with the man they'r guarding. Let them use their upper body to slow down the offensive player.
Absolutely this. We don’t need the Pistons’s rugby style, but simple hand checking, one forearm in the back when posted, body on body contact for rebounds etc. Let men be men. I would much rather see a 7 footer banging for position that standing behind the arc waiting to jack up a three. It’s just mind numbing to watch. I’ve been a basketball fanatic all of my life, and I’m 51, but I just can’t watch a full basketball game anymore. Sure, the shooting skills are higher than they have ever been overall, but the rule changes over time have ruined the beauty and passion of the game.
LITERALLY!! I used to watch entire NBA games or entire highlight videos, but now I simply CANNOT watch an entire game and just skip to the end of the highlight videos.
@@samuelbach1631 There really is no solution- analytics have changed sports forever; even if they took the 3 point line away completely- the analytic effect on that is unpredictable. Its never going to be the style of basketball we like ever again
Worst things about today's nba: Too many weak fouls, cannot play real defence without being in foul situation, no hand checking, too many flops, superteams (can't beat them, join them), travels (the 0 step has to go). I don't think there would be as many three point attempts if there would be hand checking and that some contact would be allowed.
I would gently use my forearm against my opponent in pick up games. I never would push them, but I could feel which direction they would go while keeping my eyes on the court and the ball. It was a bit of an advantage to compensate for me being sorter and skinnier. But they would cry foul, referencing NBA rules banning contact.
Modern players in general are *not* more skilled than players from earlier eras. The *league* has recruited players with different skill sets, because of how the rules have changed. But there is no way that Nikola Jokic or Giannis Antetokounmpo is "more skilled" than Kareem Abdul-Jabar or Hakeem Olajuwon. They may have developed *different* skills, but that's not the same thing as MORE skill.
@@iironhide6209 Still not true. The modern NBA in 1960 had 8 teams, drawing from a U.S. population of 180 million people. Now they have 30 teams, drawing from a U.S. population of 328 million people. While the league now *does* get 22% of its players from overseas, the number of NBA players selected per capita has gone up by about 60%, while the average age of the entire country has increased, meaning the real talent pool from which players are drawn is even smaller. Add to that the fact that more and more NBA prospects aren't completing college programs, and enter the draft from their sophomore year and earlier, and you've got a league stuffed with players who haven't learned fundamental skills, and have little incentive to learn, since half the league is actively tanking in lieu of competing. You've got a league full of raw players whose only real training comes from their high-school coaches, and for most of them, there's no incentive to improve their skills, because they're already getting huge paychecks. This is how a guy like Ben Simmons who either can't or won't shoot from more than 5 feet from the hoop is considered an all-star. Had he spent another 2 or 3 seasons at LSU learning his craft, he might actually have developed into a well-rounded player. The fact is, the NBA has changed the rules to adapt to the reality that they have more teams than they have talent, and the players they're getting are raw, and will take years learning on the court to have a chance to learn what they should have from a proper basketball program. So, they make defense irrelevant, and turn the game into a shoot-around. When Phil Jackson went to NY and tried to get them to adopt the triangle offense, the players wouldn't do it. It was too complex, and requires players to make decisions based on how the defense sets up, as opposed to just running predictable screen and roll plays. My point here is not that modern players are *unskilled*, but suggesting that players from previous eras were less skilled betrays a simple lack of understanding of how the league and the game have changed.
The current NBA is like watching some old white men's recreational league down at the YMCA. The only difference is how often the 3 point shots are made. Boring. Bring the 90s back.
Even late 2000s to early 2010s was awesome. Basically the end of the David Stern era. The star power was still strong but you had VARIETY. From the way teams played, to shot selection to cast of characters, etc.
I coached a middle-school basketball team. They all wanted to jack up threes all game long. As soon as I got them to understand ball movement and that it's easier to score the closer you are to the basket, they started winning more games.
Yup. Cp3 still plays like an old school pg. Devin booker plays like an old school SG. Crowder plays like your old school defender/shooter like bruce bowen, shane battier, trevor ariza etc, and Ayton just pound it inside the paint like an old school center. What they only missing is an old school power forward.
@@myblacklab7 i think its still beneficial for all players to play have a 3 point shot in their arsenal. Just dont let them make a living on it and focus on their position's specific roles.
@@jmgonzales7701 nah, your big needs to be under the boards rebounding, blocking shots, and making anyone coming into the lane think twice. The big getting out to the perimeter just weakens the entire team in my book. If your big doesn't want to be a big but wants to be a perimeter player, then that is a soft big that needs to move on, imo..
I don't mind the 3's, it's the lack of Defense. Every drive down the lane is an easy lay up or Dunk. No one challenges anymore, they just get out the way. There's no intensity anymore, especially on D.
I do. I live in Memphis, and the Grit and Grind Grizzlies were the shit. GSW first championship with Curry, they even said the hardest series, was against the Grizzles, because they actually played old school defense first basketball.
I found it entertaining when the warriors were doing it and shortly after that. But for the past year watching NBA has been boring compared to watching Magic Johnson era highlights
Good point about the Magic highlights. I think the essence of the game that people really appreciate is passing. Teamwork involving more than one player is always more interesting in the long run than 1 on 5.
Remember for years people thought the San Antonio Spurs were boring? Over the years I've learned to appreciate their fundamental, unselfish play-style; it's honestly beautiful to watch. We owe them a big apology because this un-fundamental game is just horrible to watch.
Jacks from thirty five feet by players that would have struggled to even get minutes in prior decades. Flops so bad they ought to be in a bad B-movie. Free walks to the basket down an unguarded lane. Nobody even acting like they have any understanding of what a rebound is or why your team might want one once in a while. So many isolation plays that I don't understand why the other four players don't go sit down and take a break and get a drink for 20 seconds. It's ugly. It's eliminated so many interrelated skill sets that used to make watching basketball fun. I hate it...
Yes. Three pointers at right time by real shooters were something special and dramatic at times. Sir Charles nailed it. NBA back than was so much more fun than now. Basketball used to be my favorite sport to watch. Not anymore
I miss the 80s and 90s when game were more akin to combat than a game of HORSE. Big men battling inside, brutal fouls that sometimes aren't called when everyone in the league knew that player had it coming. But full disclosure, I stopped watching the NBA when Stern conspired to get the Sonics out of Seattle and into OKC. I wouldn't watch it today even if men were playing it.
Remember Hack-a-Shaq? Nobody could really stop him inside, so they'd just foul him and watch him make one out of two free throws. It was a legitimate strategy.
Haven't watched an entire NBA game in over 15 years. The problem isn't so much the 3 point attempts. That will eventually balance itself out. The problem is that there's no defense anymore, which artificially pads the stats and makes people think today's players are great. Not a one of them would have survived a week playing back in the day when they had to face real defenses. Anybody looks like a great player if they are on the Globetrotters playing exhibition games against non-existent defense, and that's what the NBA has turned into. It's one reason why the Jordan vs. LeBron debate is such a joke. If LeBron had played his career in the same era as Jordan, he'd probably be ranked somewhere around 50th best player of all time if he even survived. Pistons would have obliterated him.
The one thing that drives me crazy is soft defense because they're so afraid of the kick-out. Let a team take their big's and just dump it into them all day. Nobody can stop them because nobody plays defense in the paint anymore.
Simple answer.....YES, I agree 100% with Barkley, If you grew up watching the NBA in the 80's, 90's and early 2000"s then you witnessed NBA basketball at it's highest level.
The 3 has taken over, it’s gone from a luxury to a necessity. It kills me when a guy passes up a layup for a 3. Don’t know what they’re gonna do to fix it,. One good thing a game is never over.
introduce a flopping contest during the all star break to go along with the dunk and 3 pt contest but let the fans decide who participates. it should be marketed as an embarrassment if selected to participate. that way, players will try their best not to flop during games and get humiliated by being selected to the flopping contest!
I never understood this stupid push for the NBA to go European style. The Dream Team annihilated everyone in the '92 Olympics and they didn't do it by shooting 3's.
@@dannizhu368 True...Lamelo struggled in Europe when he played a few years ago, but he Rookie of Year in the NBA... Yes I know he was 17 but still...ain't much changed about his game except a few inches taller
@@truthiscensored his rookie of the year had nothing to do with him being the best, and everything to do with it being the worst draft class in the last 30 years.
NBA is trying to cater to the European basketball playstyle and attract the top players in that region to come and play in their market. That's why they are pushing it so hard in the first place. Capitalism and money come first, it is that simple, my friend.
Steve Nash’s suns back in 2005-10 really started this change. They were deadly back then. The famous 7 seconds or less offense . Now the whole league adopted it and refuse to play defense
the league should extend the 3pt shot to maybe 24-25 feet, brings the mid range in to prominence once again, bigs would be able to actually post up and have a mid range game, Curry, Trae,Lillard become more unique with their consistent 30 footers, u can have the offensive uniqueness of the late 90’s/early 2000’s with modern spacing and better skilled players
Larry Bird punching someone after bodies fell. That was the NBA I love. There's rivalry. Nay, intense physical rivalry. It's not just the 3 Point that's ruining the game.
I do think it’s weird when you see so many three point attempts where NO ONE IS REBOUNDING. In these situations it really is a case of ‘if it goes in we win, if not, we lose’.
I've seen this in any game. It takes time for players to play from cool moves to efficient ones. The 3 point era is a result of players reaching for maximum efficiency in order to win. People will always, ALWAYS resort to efficiency in the end.
shooting 3's is not efficient. Going to the hoop is far more efficient. Players nowadays are too scared to go to the hoop and take the approach of: I shoot 50 shots in a game, I'll make 15 of them and end up with 45 points on 30% shooting, which isnt even that bad. Downfall, which they dont consider is that opponent grabbed 35 rebounds and made them into 2 point conversions, thus scoring 70. Now who is efficient??
That's just a terrible take. It's pure phisics. The longer the shot the less eficient. All you need to do is look at the box score and compare % from 3 and 2. It's just dumb to say so. What DAntoni once said: "if you're gonna take a LONG 2, you might as well take a 3". I agree with that. However some idiot translated that to saying that the 3 was more eficient than a 2 and everybody ran with it. That's just not correct. Some other idiot said "33% from 3 equals 50% from 2". While mathematicaly this is correct their assuming you're taking an equal amount of 3pointer vs 2pointer which rarely happens in the NBA. Again, it's a dumb thing to say. Going strictly with analitics is just bad for basketball.
Its entertaining watching guys like Curry, Lillard and Trae all pull up from deep, but guys like Giannis or Aron Baynes or even Harden shooting 13 3s per game (2019) is dumb basketball
@@bloatedstomach1678 especially they're wasting their height like it makes sense when lillard and curry do it, because it is their weapon for the lack of height what about 7 footers? it's just a waste
Maybe, I just want to see more variety in scoring, it's getting boring otherwise, watching MJ go to work with his mid range footwork moves was a thing of beauty.
@@andrewm7351 your right. A skilled guy moving without the ball and firing away fron mid range us much more effective than some clown firing 3s all day with no one under the basket...thats how talented and very smart guys llike john havlicek got off
If coach Bobby Knight would have been the Denver coach when they pulled this stunt he would have thrown around every single chair in that stadium!!!! 3:50 Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First point. Charles Barkley is always refreshingly unbashedly right. Second I like how they objectivity analyzed the current style of play in the NBA. I completely concur with both points.
I, too, concur withe the major points. But I dispute the idea presented in this video that this is the most talented group of players the NBA has ever had. The game is supposed to work in two directions: offense & defense. There is virtually no defensive talent on display worth noting. That is partly a function of the rules but it is also a function of sheer defensive laziness, which has become an endemic characteristic of the league.
@@DoctorHver Wilt, Bill Russel, Sidney Moncrief, Michael Jordan. Yeah, they will clamps and force current player to shoot 25% from 3 and 35% from mid range
Yea the rules are the worst thing. And the ref bias is getting so bad now too. I swear curry gets his landing space taken away from him all the time and defenders don't allow him to keep his follow through and he never gets the call whereas harden can get his beard brushed by someone's finger while shooting and it's a foul and trae young can literally jump 45 degrees forward and travel a metre forwards through the air before he actually hits a body and the chuck the ball in the air and get a foul
Wow, you said analytics are ruining basketball. So if something is analyzed and you find out that it is better to do something in a certain way, you will still be against it? We might as well make wheels in a square shape because analytics say that round wheels are the most efficient.
@@blahtime99 I don't think u get it. Analytics has a place in basketball, but the NBA over the last 6 years has made the league nothing but analytics, teams jack dumbass 3s all game ling, while eliminating the use of the midrange game, players would rather take step back 3s because analytics says so, rather then take wide open midrange or be smart and take the shots that are being given to them by the defense. It's sloppy, ugly basketball, which is why the majority of nba fans today don't even watch live games, they just watch highlights, cause the game is to ugly and boring to watch live. Hell even talking basketball has become lame because of all u analytics nerds who only know how to argue with advanced metrics 😂
Refereeing ruins the game of basketball sometimes. I'm a rugby fan too as I'm from the UK and I watched the England Wales match last weekend and the refereeing was disgraceful. I'm sure you don't know a thing about how rugby works but you can't drop or lose control of the ball forwards and a Welsh player knocked it forward and then his teammate regathered it which is a knock on but the referee awarded the try which is like a touchdown in football. There was another welsh try where the referee told the England captain to talk to his team in a huddle and they were in the huddle when the Welsh did a cross field kick and scored a try. The referee HAS to give the players time to set their defense but he didn't and in rugby you can't argue with the referee at all and the try was awarded. Wales went on to win due to two very controversial tries and a few penalties that shouldn't have been given and without the points they got from those controversial incidents they would have lost. It was an important match that the worse side won due to very poor and biased Refereeing. Sorry if that explanation was just waffle to you but what I'm saying is that all sports are being ruined by poor Refereeing in big games at the moment and something needs to be done to fix it.
If Love and Kyrie was not hurt for the 2015 finals you don't win that year. Funny how Warrior fans cry about 2016 but don't want to hear about the big break they got in 2015. Warriors knew that they wasn't better than the Cavs in 2015 and 2016 so the had to cry and beg Durant to come and save them
It depends. If it's like Steph or Dame who are a wonder to watch, it's fun. I just hate that that's all the teams try to replicate instead of variation. It's fun to see sharpshooters along with the bangers in the paint.
The level of skill has increased (which happens naturally with time) however the rules have gotten easier. You would think better skill will result in making the rules more challenging but that hasn’t been the case. The nba needs balance. It’s literally a one sided show on offense. They need to eliminate the 3 sec rule & bring back hand checking. The favors offense way too much.
Unstoppable players in the paint are generational talents. You don't see them often. If you do, their aggressiveness won't last more than a decade. Injuries will kill them. Once their paint aggressiveness decline, they'll start learning or resorting to shoot midrange.
Found this video after watching the Olympics Final between US and France. Haven't watched basketball since mid 2000s, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why both teams were shooting so many damn 3s. Big men with 12 to 14 seconds left on the shot clock dropping 26 footers, nobody in the paint, the whole thing seemed weird to me. Thanks for your video, great explanation of how the game has developed, though I now can't see any reason to get back into basketball
I haven’t watched basketball religiously since 2018. Every team plays the same and a lot of good players are out of work because they can’t shoot three’s it’s sad. I hope the game becomes more diverse but at this rate layups and dunks will become more rare.
I was watching the Celtics and Nets last night and I had to turn the TV by mid-2nd quarter. All they were doing was shooting 3s. It was like go down the court and shoot a 3....other team go down the court and shoot a 3....repeat over and over and over.
Too many different suggestions.. I think the best solution is to just bring it back to the way basketball was originally designed and played and that is to remove the 3 point line. Shoot anywhere and only get 2 points. Players will still be appreciated for their long range shooting abilities but at the same time it will reduce the amount of long range shots being taken. The sport will create a balance again for the big and small players if both can only get 2 points.
@@BrotherK-ex2co How would that increase dunks and layups? If three's are only worth two, they won't shoot from distance as much so the defenses won't be as spread out. People get to the rim more easily now because they have more room to operate
any nba player told to not worry about shooting could have EASILY pulled Rodman numbers. Rodman has NO BUSINESS in the HOF. And that just ain't my position.......the HOF is NOT for role players. Dennis couldn't hit a 2 foot shot if his life depended on it. You wanna talk REAL rebounder who also would give you thirty-plus regularly!?? Try someone like Barkley who was also inches shorter. Rodman is the most overrate athlete to ever live
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To me, Steve Kerr is the biggest reason why the 3 point era came way faster than it probably would've. Steph was the mascot, but Kerr was the mastermind. And yeah, the people who are saying that it's ruining basketball do have a legitimate reason to think so. There definitely needs to be a better balance. Also who else is looking forward to GS vs POR?
I agreed with all your points. It is definitely the case that the 3-pt era has its pros and cons. I just want to add a point regarding the spacing that it provides. As the area of defense get wider, there is more space for each team to work with. I think more plays and strategies are created due to this fact. And it makes the game more diverse.
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Watching the GSW in 2015, I thought it was amazing to watch, but there was no way they'd keep winning with that strategy. I was wrong, but I think I would've been right if they were any other team in history.
It’s fun to see your team hit a three but when the game is running back and forth between the three point lines and hacking it up it’s really really boring.
Totally ruined it. I get bored after 10 mins highlights of the finals, forget watching an entire game of regular season. Intensity is not there either. I go back watching MJ and Kobe, way more fun and more strategic way to play basketball. Today's game remind me of friendly I used to play with other kids after training, when the manager had gone home and could not see the sh*t we were pulling.
I’d pay to watch today’s NBA experimenting a game or a few without the three point line (pre 1980s) and see if the players get exposed to their weaknesses (fundamentals, low post games, etc). The players that have played in the 1980s, 90s, and even the early part of 2000s were coached by those who experienced the game (pro or not) without the 3s.
Actually all you’d need to do is start calling the rules by the old ways again, especially those pertaining to ball handling. It’s so much easier to get a good shot off when you can take 3-4 steps, shuffle your feet and “cradle” aka carry the ball whenever you please. Start calling the rules the old way and fundamentals come back.
The metrics which show the superiority of the 3 over the 2 may work over the course of the regular season, but not necessarily in the playoffs. In a 7 game series we are dealing with a compressed 4 to 7 game "mini-season", where one or two 3pt. 'cold streaks' (far more common when you are taking lower percentage shots) can end your season. Relying on 3s in the post-season is a losing strategy.
Well said buddy, really well said. It just doesn't work so well during the playoffs. A high volume of 3-point shooting is just a fraud strategy, nothing more.
I’m fine with the shooting. Some parking lot threes with 20 seconds left on the shot clock are pretty frustrating. But what bothers me the most is the ridiculous fouls. You can’t hand check anymore, but even when a defender just has his arm out, all the shooter has to do is flail into the defenders arm and it draws a shooting foul. That seriously should be an offensive foul. The shooter is initiating the contact. I know its a different point from 3ball basketball. But when we are already seeing the best shooting from players we’ve ever seen, defenders can’t even defend in today’s game. That’s what ruining the game.
I wonder how the great passing teams of the pre-3 point shot NBA, such as Red Auerbach's Celtics teams, and the late 1960s - early 1970s New York Knickerbockers would do in the NBA now if they played their same "old style" of interior passing, cutting to the basket, hitting the open man, and taking high percentage shots - - - and hitting the boards for offensive rebounds. In 1993 my high school had an alumni varsity basketball game, with varsity players from the 1960s and 1970s against varsity players from the 1980s and 1990s. At one point in the game, at age 45, I was the youngest player on the court for the 1960s-70s team. We had been coached to play basketball the "old" way. The 80s-90s team had been coached in the 3-point way. When we (the "old" were on defense, we found that defending "the perimeter" was far easier than the defense we had to play two or three decades earlier. On defense, the 80s-90s team was unable to defend against interior passing and 8 foot to 12 foot shots. The "old" way won. With that in mind, the question isn't "How many 3-point shots would Rick Barry, or Tommy Heinsohn, or George Yardley, or Jack Twyman, or Oscar Robertson make now, but would the players now be able to stop their "old" style of play?
Amazing. I use to watch the NBA during the 90s and stopped around 1998. 2 years ago I started playing an online basketball game where I'd play characters at the centre position and I'd get mostly random positive messages from players like "you're the best C I've ever played with" "you dominate. You make the game fun." But then 1 day this guy sends me a long rant telling me the game isnt played like that anymore and I need to set up more 3 point plays. I didnt know what the hell he was talking about until a few months ago when I started watching vids like this. Incredible it's gotten like this.
Teams don’t have to play defense. One guy dribbling, big comes up to set a pick… guy drives and shoots or kicks out for a 3. Four guys standing beyond the arc, one guy sets picks. Very little horizontal ball movement. Usually one pass, maybe two. Mostly dribbling. The D doesn’t have to move. Boring to watch. Every game is like the all-star game. 🥱
To see how much the NBA has changed into a glorified 3 point contest, Reggie Miller's highest average number of 3s attempted in a season was 6.6, now players like Klay Thompson, Stephen Curry and James Harden average more than that for their entire careers
While it's good to have a faster game pacing, i really don't like to watch too many players attempting 3s. When i watch the highlights videos, basically 50% of them are long distance shots instead of stunning crossovers, nice assists or dunks. Maybe it's time to abolish the 3pt line.
I agree the 3pt shot is getting abused but I like the spacing and pace of play today. Eliminate the 3 pt line and we’ll see the game revert back to what we saw in the 50’s.
@@Gnofg if you simply removed the 3 point line, then you ruin the value of shooting, particularly from range. There would be no real incentive to shoot from 23 ft out since it wouldn’t be any extra points so the mindset would go back to getting as close to the basket as possible. Remember, the rules determine the best players.
@@fieryjalapenos4442 quick question does an offense run better with Hardin jacking up threes or Bill Walton , Dennis Johnson and Larry Bird running an offense
@@Gnofg If you knew anything about basketball you’d know that’s a ridiculous question. Harden averages more points and assists per game than Walton and Johnson. And his numbers are pretty similar to Larry’s career numbers. You sure your name isn’t Michael Bong? Cause you must be high as fuck if you think Bill Walton was a better facilitator than Harden.
Every team learned the wrong lesson from Golden State's dynasty. While it proved the 3 pointer is indeed a more valuable shot, the thing gm's and coaches should've taken away from it is that a team that plays to its own strengths will always be better than a team that is trying to emulate someone else.
Can't remember the last time I've watched an entire NBA game. After watching about half a quarter I get bored or frustrated with all the weak foul calls and pointless three point shots and I turn it off.
you are so correct. the game is boring. these players are 3pt shot or nothing at all. game is unbearable to watch
The same for me. SMH
@Jimmy Jones & the Kool-Aide Crew do you know what's worse than leftist politics ??????? Right wing politics and ideals
@@traceybean9449 like the democrats trying to legalize censorship, calling it fighting hate speech?
You're blue pilled
@@jccgold i'm neither Republican or Democrat. They're BOTH TRASH. My point is don't critisize one party when yours is just as corrupt and bad
I remember when an NBA team has only 1 at most 2 three point specialist (like chess, everybody has their own role). When ray Allen shot a 3, it feels really amazing and very important because it was rare.
Now everyone is just shooting 3 pointers, it became boring.
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Exactly my point also 💪💪💪 even those uncontested layups and dunks doesn't feel the same because they are uncontested. Back then you always said ohhhh or ahhhh when a dunk or a nice layup was made in the traffic. Now everyone moves out the way.
In my opinion all of the fun elements are gone, contested layups/dunks, bigman game inside, fadeaway jumpers in the middle, all players had thier different roles, good defense, variety in the game or between teams, franchise players who stays with one team instead of chasing easy money, lack of interest/passion in general, no trash talking, no competivness.
All of that is pretty much gone since about 10-12 years ago
The worst take of all: "The players are more skilled now!" (as they forget how to shoot the middy) while ignoring that _when you only take one to three 3pt attempts per game, a far higher proportion of your total 3pt attempts are going to be end-of-quarter AND shot-clock beating chucks/heaves._
...compare that to now, where players take many more 3pt shots in rhythm - with spacing - to give the shooter more time before the closeout gets there.
Players also now will intentionally avoid taking end-of-quarter heaves - just to keep their self-serving 3pt% "up". (as they forget how to shoot the middy)
At this point we should stop calling 3 point shooters players because they don’t play. They only shoot.
I agree with you 100 percent it seems like if you can't shoot a three-point shot you can't play in the NBA😮
This is more evident now when you watch NBA superstars struggle in international tournaments because they were used to NBA rules.
Exactly, I said the same thing
Also maybe international players got better?
@@jbiehl8478 Nah. That's an excuse. Despite more foreign talent in the NBA, the vast majority of the best players are still from the USA.
We have LeBron, KD, Steph, Harden, Kyrie, Booker, Kawhi, AD, etc. That team on paper would smash the best of the rest. And most other Olympic teams only have a small handful of NBA players, with most of them not being stars.
So it's definitely not a matter of talent. Pretty sure we lost to a team led by Patty Mills. 🤢
its actually hilarious imo... next olympics or international game don't be surprised if we get eaten alive.
Yeah, obviously. If you play with different rules then it’s hard to you know... suddenly start playing a completely different game
Bring DEFENSE back to the NBA!!!
They can't, it's all about Video Games & Fantasy Sports
I’d rather play 2K than watch an actual ball game
Today’s NBA is a joke
Bring defense back to football too......
Easier to play d back when you just had to crowd the paint for as much as the 3 point era is shit on we at least learned the value of spacing from it
The defense is there. They need to emphasize more. There's more space to cover because of the three pointer...forcing defenders to cover more ground to contest shooters. And that's why teams play more zone type defenses...to occupy the "zone" of their nearby offensive player but also able to provide help-side. Or teams, for the most part, play man-to-man but just provide hell of help-side.
Basketball has been ruined for years. Did people really think the game would get more challenging once they practically removed players' ability to play defence?
Facts, Fantasy Sports and Video games run the NBA
@@Peakfreud true
Which makes no sense attack the paint more draw more fouls get good at hitting free throws haha I hate the game now it’s so damn boring
@@Peakfreud and the video games aren't that great at all compared to the early 2000s
They call too much contact and the refs are inconsistent. They also need to put some techs and big fines on all this flopping.
I would say if they catch a flop after reviewing tape that’s a fine. If they catch it in game, especially after a review it’s a tech & a fine.
It is kind of boring watching the game where everyone is afraid to go in the paint
Be a Bucks Fan
@@samuraicake5015 exactly🤣💪
I actually enjoyed watching the Bucks in the playoffs. Most NBA I’ve watched in years.
What are they afraid of...if you touch a pinky on someone's leg its a technical.
Russ isn't afraid to go in the paint. That's why people pay to watch him.
I remember doc rivers saying "everyone wanted to be like the warriors (a jump shooting team), but no one can shoot like them"
The rockets learned that the hard way 27 straight missed
@Daniel Harper dont blame the warrior boy for being so goddamn good that everyone want to be a wannabe warrior like blame the other team for abandoning their style and focusing on 3 now
@Daniel Harper sure sounds like it……so tell me what you mean not even the warrior can shoot like the warrior cause that shit is dumb as fuck like go on tell me
Exactly
@@retronerds6884 exactly
The high volume 3's were fun when it was unique,
now it looks like a game of horse. Boring.
I agree. There is no variety in today's NBA. 29 teams feel like "Golden State lite".
What’s even more frustrating is lot of these guys aren’t even good free throw shooters. Before we were taught don’t even try to take 3s if you can’t make your free throws.
@@rurouni82 and they shoot them with no one under the basket often
Everyone has one go to move. The three pointer. Talent has left and all you're stuck with now is a lot of Steve Kerrs out there looking like the GOAT of this era. Steve could have done what they're doing too, but back then we understood there was more to basketball than just standing and jacking up 3s. 🤣
Exactly! Not to mention no team has shot like Golden state since Houston in 2018.
I can't even watch an NBA game today. There's no physicality. What would Shaquille O'Neal do in the NBA today? Rick Mahorn? Dennis Rodman? It's all threes and easy layups. Sucks.
Shaq is going to be weak spot on defense somehow. They will keep him running.
Just sprint to the basket, take the ball and score. They can’t foul you. If they do take your free throws and more than likely, three point plays. Because who the hell can stop those guys at full speed?
Shaq would be fouled out in the first half in today's game because his game was extremely physical.
Rodman? LOL, He would be out in the first quarter.
none of those people are important to the sport today. what was doesnt matter years later
The 3 point shot has DEFINITELY ruined pick up basketball 😢
AGREE!!!!!! This one really affect me lol I'm the type of guy who hussle under the basket and it is so frustrating that everytime I play pick up games 4 of my teammates is relentlessly jacking up 3s leaving me under the rim fighting for rebounds against 4 defenders lmao
LOL!!!!
I swear. Yes 3 is more than 2 but 2 is easier than 3. Like women
Definitely and completely. It's equivalent to throwing balls into a basket at a funfair event . Nothing more. NBA is now owned and monopolized by the irritating teeth guard showman steve curry. There's no more curry left for basketball fans to look forward to. I for one have lost interest completely in NBA games nowadays.
Bro, I was watching highlights months back with the Lakers vs Magic with Los Angeles playing in Orlando. I kid you not, there was not one mid-range jumper in the whole highlights. It was all threes or layups with the occasional dunks. Super boring game.
They should change the hand check rule, perimeter defense is also a joke in the NBA right now
For too many teams today, the NBA game devolves into a style of play that resembles offensive drills. The lack of defense (or offense that seeks to challenge any defense) is astounding.
They should shorten the three point line so defenses can recover quickly.
Super hard to play aggressive defense when if you breathe on a dude, you've just gifted them 3 shots from the stripe and if they nailed their trey, they are turning in a 4 point play. Can't chance a 4 point swing so no defense and hope you hit your three at the other end to keep pace.
Why......hand checking is really holding a player to negate his quickness......it's like pushing a player with your arms extended ......it's an obvious foul.
@@nomadicrain it all depends on what you call aggressive defense ......some people think aggressive defense is beating the hell out of people .
I love Barkley cause he is always real when comes to bs!!
Yeah I may not always agree with his points but I love the fact I feel like he is honest with all his opinions
He gave money to a beggar after hearing the truth to buy beer.
I don't always agree with Charles Barkley but when I do it's about the modern 3-point game...
He’s a hypocrite. Go look at Barkley’s stats and how many 3s he took vs made.
If by bs you mean time advancing forward than yes, Chucks old head mentality assures me that EVERY ASPECT OF HIS ADULT LIFE is managed by a much younger, much more consciously aware individual. To be fair, that's all older people minus the ones actively embracing change and progress 🤷♂️
BRING DEFENSE BACK
When players are pushed to the limit that's when they get creative. See how intense the NBA was 20 years ago and how aggressive they were. I'm not saying they should go back to 80s basketball but just allow more contact.
yea that is the true answer
They should go back to 90's style basket ball , Without the hard foul.
Been watching since the 80's and I couldn't agree more. When the league favored scoring vs defense, it was all downhill from there.
I actually believe that bringing physical defense back can minimize the injuries thats plaguing the league now. Players now only have to rely on their lower body to keep up with the man they'r guarding. Let them use their upper body to slow down the offensive player.
Absolutely this. We don’t need the Pistons’s rugby style, but simple hand checking, one forearm in the back when posted, body on body contact for rebounds etc. Let men be men. I would much rather see a 7 footer banging for position that standing behind the arc waiting to jack up a three. It’s just mind numbing to watch. I’ve been a basketball fanatic all of my life, and I’m 51, but I just can’t watch a full basketball game anymore. Sure, the shooting skills are higher than they have ever been overall, but the rule changes over time have ruined the beauty and passion of the game.
The 3 point shot completely changed the game. All you need to watch is the last 3 minutes of any game. I don't watch basketball anymore.
LITERALLY!! I used to watch entire NBA games or entire highlight videos, but now I simply CANNOT watch an entire game and just skip to the end of the highlight videos.
thats incorrect. the three point shot has been in the league for 30 fuckin years
@@nomercyinc6783 a few of us are over 50.
It’s was over 40 years, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t change the game
The loss of physical play and weakening of defensive play ruinned NBA Basketball.
The thing that old heads kind of got right is that teams live and die by the three there’s a less diverse style of basketball
That's the whole point. Move the line back.
@@samuelbach1631 There really is no solution- analytics have changed sports forever; even if they took the 3 point line away completely- the analytic effect on that is unpredictable. Its never going to be the style of basketball we like ever again
@@mistersparkles1842 Unpredictable? Noooo. If you move it back you get more big men scoring. If you move it in you get more guards shooting 3s.
got right? that is what theyre saying dumbo thats their wholr point.
Mister Sparkles yup.... analytics has really messed up all sports to some degree
Miss the days when having a top tier defense makes a team a contender nowadays its how many shooters a team has
Worst things about today's nba: Too many weak fouls, cannot play real defence without being in foul situation, no hand checking, too many flops, superteams (can't beat them, join them), travels (the 0 step has to go).
I don't think there would be as many three point attempts if there would be hand checking and that some contact would be allowed.
I would gently use my forearm against my opponent in pick up games. I never would push them, but I could feel which direction they would go while keeping my eyes on the court and the ball. It was a bit of an advantage to compensate for me being sorter and skinnier. But they would cry foul, referencing NBA rules banning contact.
@@genewickersham4593 tell them, "this ain't the NBA, bitch!"
Hate 0 step,basketball looks more like handball
Yep. They just need to bring hand-checking back. But the normies want to see offense more than defense. Boring.
@@grrrraffe I don't necessarily mind offense. I just want to see that offense being earned, not given.
That Nuggets 4 on 2 break where they all camped at the 3 & no one in the paint is exactly what's wrong with the league today.
Modern players in general are *not* more skilled than players from earlier eras. The *league* has recruited players with different skill sets, because of how the rules have changed. But there is no way that Nikola Jokic or Giannis Antetokounmpo is "more skilled" than Kareem Abdul-Jabar or Hakeem Olajuwon. They may have developed *different* skills, but that's not the same thing as MORE skill.
The average player*
@@iironhide6209 Still not true. The modern NBA in 1960 had 8 teams, drawing from a U.S. population of 180 million people. Now they have 30 teams, drawing from a U.S. population of 328 million people. While the league now *does* get 22% of its players from overseas, the number of NBA players selected per capita has gone up by about 60%, while the average age of the entire country has increased, meaning the real talent pool from which players are drawn is even smaller.
Add to that the fact that more and more NBA prospects aren't completing college programs, and enter the draft from their sophomore year and earlier, and you've got a league stuffed with players who haven't learned fundamental skills, and have little incentive to learn, since half the league is actively tanking in lieu of competing. You've got a league full of raw players whose only real training comes from their high-school coaches, and for most of them, there's no incentive to improve their skills, because they're already getting huge paychecks. This is how a guy like Ben Simmons who either can't or won't shoot from more than 5 feet from the hoop is considered an all-star. Had he spent another 2 or 3 seasons at LSU learning his craft, he might actually have developed into a well-rounded player.
The fact is, the NBA has changed the rules to adapt to the reality that they have more teams than they have talent, and the players they're getting are raw, and will take years learning on the court to have a chance to learn what they should have from a proper basketball program. So, they make defense irrelevant, and turn the game into a shoot-around. When Phil Jackson went to NY and tried to get them to adopt the triangle offense, the players wouldn't do it. It was too complex, and requires players to make decisions based on how the defense sets up, as opposed to just running predictable screen and roll plays.
My point here is not that modern players are *unskilled*, but suggesting that players from previous eras were less skilled betrays a simple lack of understanding of how the league and the game have changed.
i’m kinda miss post up game and when big man use yo dominate and team rivalry
Those were great times.
We need to go back to ball movement style.
Strategy ball
Hard to happened as long as long 3 second violation in the paint rule is in effect
Well guess what we have no big men like that
The current NBA is like watching some old white men's recreational league down at the YMCA. The only difference is how often the 3 point shots are made. Boring. Bring the 90s back.
I only watch 4th quarter now. 80s and 90s and early 2000s hoops was very entertaining to watch. But then again I'm a big Lakers and MJ fan.
Teams can be up 20 early in the game and still lose, so yeah, might as well just watch the 4th quarter.
The 70s were fun to watch too
Games used to be closer and you would see more lead changes and ties.
Even late 2000s to early 2010s was awesome.
Basically the end of the David Stern era.
The star power was still strong but you had VARIETY.
From the way teams played, to shot selection to cast of characters, etc.
@@senseichess8688 move on
I coached a middle-school basketball team. They all wanted to jack up threes all game long. As soon as I got them to understand ball movement and that it's easier to score the closer you are to the basket, they started winning more games.
I watched a Ymca game , 12 year olds. ALL of them were throwing up 25 foot shots.
This is why I like the current Phoenix Suns right now. They are Old School and Position played team.
I've told a few of my coworkers that
Yup. Cp3 still plays like an old school pg. Devin booker plays like an old school SG. Crowder plays like your old school defender/shooter like bruce bowen, shane battier, trevor ariza etc, and Ayton just pound it inside the paint like an old school center. What they only missing is an old school power forward.
I like them too, but everyone shoots a lot of threes now.
@@myblacklab7 i think its still beneficial for all players to play have a 3 point shot in their arsenal. Just dont let them make a living on it and focus on their position's specific roles.
@@jmgonzales7701 nah, your big needs to be under the boards rebounding, blocking shots, and making anyone coming into the lane think twice. The big getting out to the perimeter just weakens the entire team in my book. If your big doesn't want to be a big but wants to be a perimeter player, then that is a soft big that needs to move on, imo..
I don't mind the 3's, it's the lack of Defense. Every drive down the lane is an easy lay up or Dunk. No one challenges anymore, they just get out the way. There's no intensity anymore, especially on D.
they call that business decision
Remember the grindhouse grizzles and the we believe GSW ? These teams have no identity or personality of their own. Everyone is a GS clone or wannabe.
I do. I live in Memphis, and the Grit and Grind Grizzlies were the shit. GSW first championship with Curry, they even said the hardest series, was against the Grizzles, because they actually played old school defense first basketball.
I miss defense the way it used to be played. The '04-'05 Pistons was the last team that really spoke to me defensively.
And 2011 Mavs
I really miss the 90's. Rough, tough, raw, and when every team had a "must have" big n power players!
Ah yes and back when players would punch and injure each-other purposely with no punishment.
@@akaliotp6766. The 90s has quickly become the most overrated era in NBA History.
Three point shooting contest and flop for fouls. Step back or side is a step forward. If AI did it would be banned.
I found it entertaining when the warriors were doing it and shortly after that. But for the past year watching NBA has been boring compared to watching Magic Johnson era highlights
Good point about the Magic highlights. I think the essence of the game that people really appreciate is passing. Teamwork involving more than one player is always more interesting in the long run than 1 on 5.
@@slimphotog Spot the difference between "no look" passes from Magic and LBJ........
Remember for years people thought the San Antonio Spurs were boring? Over the years I've learned to appreciate their fundamental, unselfish play-style; it's honestly beautiful to watch. We owe them a big apology because this un-fundamental game is just horrible to watch.
Jacks from thirty five feet by players that would have struggled to even get minutes in prior decades. Flops so bad they ought to be in a bad B-movie. Free walks to the basket down an unguarded lane. Nobody even acting like they have any understanding of what a rebound is or why your team might want one once in a while.
So many isolation plays that I don't understand why the other four players don't go sit down and take a break and get a drink for 20 seconds.
It's ugly. It's eliminated so many interrelated skill sets that used to make watching basketball fun. I hate it...
Great comment; really sums it up. I too can't stand watching it; and haven't in years.
Your really right...you said what many of us have been trying to say...well done
That’s why they called 2014 Spurs beautiful basketball
I couldn't agree more.It was artistic,selfless team basketball at its finest.
They were
Yes. Three pointers at right time by real shooters were something special and dramatic at times. Sir Charles nailed it. NBA back than was so much more fun than now. Basketball used to be my favorite sport to watch. Not anymore
I miss the '80s NBA........
Same. I _loved_ the NBA in the 1990s, but I haven't watched more than a few minutes in over five years.
@@massimocometti6529 I also love the early and mid 90's all players go physical with one another
I looked forward to watching the 80's NBA on TNT every Tuesday night. :)
I wonder if the league isn't going to have to start limiting number of threes..or ???
I miss the 80s and 90s when game were more akin to combat than a game of HORSE. Big men battling inside, brutal fouls that sometimes aren't called when everyone in the league knew that player had it coming. But full disclosure, I stopped watching the NBA when Stern conspired to get the Sonics out of Seattle and into OKC. I wouldn't watch it today even if men were playing it.
Bring back the Sonics!
I almost screen shot your 1st sentence.
Why would you want brutal fowls? Bodying people isn't a skill.
Remember Hack-a-Shaq? Nobody could really stop him inside, so they'd just foul him and watch him make one out of two free throws. It was a legitimate strategy.
@@dargondude2375 That means tactics, using your body to screen the opponent or force your way for a foul counted moment, now everybody turned soft
Haven't watched an entire NBA game in over 15 years. The problem isn't so much the 3 point attempts. That will eventually balance itself out. The problem is that there's no defense anymore, which artificially pads the stats and makes people think today's players are great. Not a one of them would have survived a week playing back in the day when they had to face real defenses. Anybody looks like a great player if they are on the Globetrotters playing exhibition games against non-existent defense, and that's what the NBA has turned into. It's one reason why the Jordan vs. LeBron debate is such a joke. If LeBron had played his career in the same era as Jordan, he'd probably be ranked somewhere around 50th best player of all time if he even survived. Pistons would have obliterated him.
Agree. Not too many players in today's NBA would be able to play or survive in the 80's and 90's.
LeBron would just play differently he if played in that era. He's just adapting to the rules he plays in.
3 point attempts is what ruined the game
The one thing that drives me crazy is soft defense because they're so afraid of the kick-out. Let a team take their big's and just dump it into them all day. Nobody can stop them because nobody plays defense in the paint anymore.
Simple answer.....YES, I agree 100% with Barkley, If you grew up watching the NBA in the 80's, 90's and early 2000"s then you witnessed NBA basketball at it's highest level.
I think the NBA ratings speak for themselves about how people feel about this era of the NBA.
That’s also true that Kyries got hurt but if Draymond doesn’t get ejected the warriors win. They won each other’s rings simple.
That’s why the oh but Kyrie was hurt argument is stupid, people just want to hate on the warriors
Both arguments are bad
Draymond got protected against OKC for nutkicking Adams and never got ejected. What goes around comes around.
@@foghornfoggyface what does that have to do with them winning each other’s rings?
But draymond was available in game 6 and 7 though
The 3 has taken over, it’s gone from a luxury to a necessity. It kills me when a guy passes up a layup for a 3. Don’t know what they’re gonna do to fix it,. One good thing a game is never over.
Bring back hand checking .
Move the three point line back? That might work
Thats simple, encourage the guys to be more physical and challenge the opposing players more to be rough and engaging
One solution: Make slam dunks 3 points. You won't believe who did this first. Kim Jong Un. He has his own rules of basketball in his country.
Was thinking about that option the other day myself. That would have problems of its own though.
3 pts for slam dunk. 1 pt for blocking a dunk / layup / shot. Move the 3 pt line way way up higher.
@@viewtifulviewer7282 Yes, that's a great idea!
Bruh thats unfair for 7'6 players, boban can dunk without even jumping
introduce a flopping contest during the all star break to go along with the dunk and 3 pt contest but let the fans decide who participates. it should be marketed as an embarrassment if selected to participate. that way, players will try their best not to flop during games and get humiliated by being selected to the flopping contest!
I never understood this stupid push for the NBA to go European style. The Dream Team annihilated everyone in the '92 Olympics and they didn't do it by shooting 3's.
Luka has said its harder to get a bucket in Europe than it is in the NBA lol, he could've been talking about all the weak ass foul calls too
@@dannizhu368 True...Lamelo struggled in Europe when he played a few years ago, but he Rookie of Year in the NBA...
Yes I know he was 17 but still...ain't much changed about his game except a few inches taller
EU plays defense. NBA players are soft and don't wanna play defense.
@@truthiscensored his rookie of the year had nothing to do with him being the best, and everything to do with it being the worst draft class in the last 30 years.
NBA is trying to cater to the European basketball playstyle and attract the top players in that region to come and play in their market. That's why they are pushing it so hard in the first place. Capitalism and money come first, it is that simple, my friend.
Steve Nash’s suns back in 2005-10 really started this change. They were deadly back then. The famous 7 seconds or less offense . Now the whole league adopted it and refuse to play defense
the league should extend the 3pt shot to maybe 24-25 feet, brings the mid range in to prominence once again, bigs would be able to actually post up and have a mid range game, Curry, Trae,Lillard become more unique with their consistent 30 footers, u can have the offensive uniqueness of the late 90’s/early 2000’s with modern spacing and better skilled players
Thats actually not a bad idea
Sounds very interesting
Naw. All you gotta do is bring back hand checking.
You would also have to change other stuff too
They should just eliminate the 3 points
Larry Bird punching someone after bodies fell. That was the NBA I love. There's rivalry. Nay, intense physical rivalry. It's not just the 3 Point that's ruining the game.
Larry Bird had two punch fights in 13 Years mate. WTF, how basketball can he physical again when Young fans are softcakes
The irony is you even can’t defend a three shooter
@@ABCTraveler-ol5oj you mean today right?
@@javigar133 not just the fans, Adam silver is a huge snowflake too
@@javigar133 so you want basketball to be boxing lmao?!
This era of basketball feels more like the wnba
Except reliable
Except the wnba isn't just about raining 3s and flopping. Sounds like you don't watch it.
I see what you mean, the one on one below the rim , running away from the basket $hit...
I get it.
Nah they play more defense in the WNBA and don't call as many fouls
3pt Shot is good but do not fall in love with it, it sometimes ruin the entire play.
I do think it’s weird when you see so many three point attempts where NO ONE IS REBOUNDING. In these situations it really is a case of ‘if it goes in we win, if not, we lose’.
I've seen this in any game. It takes time for players to play from cool moves to efficient ones. The 3 point era is a result of players reaching for maximum efficiency in order to win. People will always, ALWAYS resort to efficiency in the end.
shooting 3's is not efficient. Going to the hoop is far more efficient. Players nowadays are too scared to go to the hoop and take the approach of: I shoot 50 shots in a game, I'll make 15 of them and end up with 45 points on 30% shooting, which isnt even that bad.
Downfall, which they dont consider is that opponent grabbed 35 rebounds and made them into 2 point conversions, thus scoring 70. Now who is efficient??
That's just a terrible take. It's pure phisics. The longer the shot the less eficient. All you need to do is look at the box score and compare % from 3 and 2. It's just dumb to say so. What DAntoni once said: "if you're gonna take a LONG 2, you might as well take a 3". I agree with that. However some idiot translated that to saying that the 3 was more eficient than a 2 and everybody ran with it. That's just not correct.
Some other idiot said "33% from 3 equals 50% from 2". While mathematicaly this is correct their assuming you're taking an equal amount of 3pointer vs 2pointer which rarely happens in the NBA. Again, it's a dumb thing to say. Going strictly with analitics is just bad for basketball.
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No its entertaining watching steph pull 30 footers for no reason.
Its entertaining watching guys like Curry, Lillard and Trae all pull up from deep, but guys like Giannis or Aron Baynes or even Harden shooting 13 3s per game (2019) is dumb basketball
@@bloatedstomach1678 especially they're wasting their height
like it makes sense when lillard and curry do it, because it is their weapon for the lack of height
what about 7 footers? it's just a waste
Maybe, I just want to see more variety in scoring, it's getting boring otherwise, watching MJ go to work with his mid range footwork moves was a thing of beauty.
Steph is the only player that makes 3 point shooting entertaining.
@@andrewm7351 your right. A skilled guy moving without the ball and firing away fron mid range us much more effective than some clown firing 3s all day with no one under the basket...thats how talented and very smart guys llike john havlicek got off
"Raptors only won because of specific circumstances" = literally could be said about every Championship team, ever
I thought he was gonna say "scrappy defense." Nope..."specific circumstances." 🤔
Especially the Bucks.
Not every chip is clouded by injuries. I can count a bunch of them.
@@soloistdeve Circumstances & Injuries are not even close to the same word, meaning or sentiment.
@@Peakfreud He meant the injuries in the video when he showed KD snapping his achillies.
If coach Bobby Knight would have been the Denver coach when they pulled this stunt he would have thrown around every single chair in that stadium!!!! 3:50 Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😂😂 totally!
This is the most skilled collection of talent at the NBA has ever seen?? Apparently my man you weren't alive in the '80s and '90s
The era of the nba before is most exciting than today
First point. Charles Barkley is always refreshingly unbashedly right. Second I like how they objectivity analyzed the current style of play in the NBA. I completely concur with both points.
I, too, concur withe the major points. But I dispute the idea presented in this video that this is the most talented group of players the NBA has ever had. The game is supposed to work in two directions: offense & defense. There is virtually no defensive talent on display worth noting. That is partly a function of the rules but it is also a function of sheer defensive laziness, which has become an endemic characteristic of the league.
@@tc699 Image Bill Russell in todays era.
@@DoctorHver Wilt, Bill Russel, Sidney Moncrief, Michael Jordan. Yeah, they will clamps and force current player to shoot 25% from 3 and 35% from mid range
Unbashedly?
It will always be more fun to watch defense on a drive or on a post than on a 3-pt goal attempt
80’s and 90’s was the most talent rich times in the nba.
Double d going back to his old self. Great work man!
3 ptrs aren't ruining basketball. But analytics and the soft ass NBA rules that adam silver has enforced has ruined basketball
Yea the rules are the worst thing. And the ref bias is getting so bad now too. I swear curry gets his landing space taken away from him all the time and defenders don't allow him to keep his follow through and he never gets the call whereas harden can get his beard brushed by someone's finger while shooting and it's a foul and trae young can literally jump 45 degrees forward and travel a metre forwards through the air before he actually hits a body and the chuck the ball in the air and get a foul
Wow, you said analytics are ruining basketball. So if something is analyzed and you find out that it is better to do something in a certain way, you will still be against it? We might as well make wheels in a square shape because analytics say that round wheels are the most efficient.
@@blahtime99 I don't think u get it. Analytics has a place in basketball, but the NBA over the last 6 years has made the league nothing but analytics, teams jack dumbass 3s all game ling, while eliminating the use of the midrange game, players would rather take step back 3s because analytics says so, rather then take wide open midrange or be smart and take the shots that are being given to them by the
defense. It's sloppy, ugly basketball, which is why the majority of nba fans today don't even watch live games, they just watch highlights, cause the game is to ugly and boring to watch live. Hell even talking basketball has become lame because of all u analytics nerds who only know how to argue with advanced metrics 😂
@@colewrld901 Wow...you really like to be hyperbolic. Go look the word up.
@@blahtime99 blah blah blah. Counter my argument
The guy talking about 2015 is right, but we would have won in 2016 if not for injuries. (and imo some very questionable refing)
Refereeing ruins the game of basketball sometimes. I'm a rugby fan too as I'm from the UK and I watched the England Wales match last weekend and the refereeing was disgraceful. I'm sure you don't know a thing about how rugby works but you can't drop or lose control of the ball forwards and a Welsh player knocked it forward and then his teammate regathered it which is a knock on but the referee awarded the try which is like a touchdown in football. There was another welsh try where the referee told the England captain to talk to his team in a huddle and they were in the huddle when the Welsh did a cross field kick and scored a try. The referee HAS to give the players time to set their defense but he didn't and in rugby you can't argue with the referee at all and the try was awarded. Wales went on to win due to two very controversial tries and a few penalties that shouldn't have been given and without the points they got from those controversial incidents they would have lost. It was an important match that the worse side won due to very poor and biased Refereeing. Sorry if that explanation was just waffle to you but what I'm saying is that all sports are being ruined by poor Refereeing in big games at the moment and something needs to be done to fix it.
You was on the team? WE wtf IDOLATRY IS A SIN
People r attached to their team, what's the problem?
If Love and Kyrie was not hurt for the 2015 finals you don't win that year. Funny how Warrior fans cry about 2016 but don't want to hear about the big break they got in 2015. Warriors knew that they wasn't better than the Cavs in 2015 and 2016 so the had to cry and beg Durant to come and save them
2016 was US election NBA need LBJ to campaign for Hillary which he did...he also won 2020 where he campaigned for biden
It depends. If it's like Steph or Dame who are a wonder to watch, it's fun. I just hate that that's all the teams try to replicate instead of variation. It's fun to see sharpshooters along with the bangers in the paint.
The level of skill has increased (which happens naturally with time) however the rules have gotten easier. You would think better skill will result in making the rules more challenging but that hasn’t been the case. The nba needs balance. It’s literally a one sided show on offense. They need to eliminate the 3 sec rule & bring back hand checking. The favors offense way too much.
im just waiting for when an unstoppable post player appears and the league just try to copy them lol.
Ahem, Giannis..
Unstoppable players in the paint are generational talents. You don't see them often. If you do, their aggressiveness won't last more than a decade. Injuries will kill them. Once their paint aggressiveness decline, they'll start learning or resorting to shoot midrange.
@@adriannsantos How can an unstoppable post player suffer injuries in these safe basketball courts. You can't touch anybody anymore.
Double d is back and better than ever 💪🏾
Found this video after watching the Olympics Final between US and France. Haven't watched basketball since mid 2000s, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why both teams were shooting so many damn 3s. Big men with 12 to 14 seconds left on the shot clock dropping 26 footers, nobody in the paint, the whole thing seemed weird to me. Thanks for your video, great explanation of how the game has developed, though I now can't see any reason to get back into basketball
I haven’t watched basketball religiously since 2018. Every team plays the same and a lot of good players are out of work because they can’t shoot three’s it’s sad. I hope the game becomes more diverse but at this rate layups and dunks will become more rare.
I was watching the Celtics and Nets last night and I had to turn the TV by mid-2nd quarter. All they were doing was shooting 3s. It was like go down the court and shoot a 3....other team go down the court and shoot a 3....repeat over and over and over.
love to see you incorporating lockerroom into the videos hopefully you get the desktop version soon
Just bring back the hand check and adjust the 3pt line back again....
Too many different suggestions.. I think the best solution is to just bring it back to the way basketball was originally designed and played and that is to remove the 3 point line. Shoot anywhere and only get 2 points. Players will still be appreciated for their long range shooting abilities but at the same time it will reduce the amount of long range shots being taken. The sport will create a balance again for the big and small players if both can only get 2 points.
That will increase the number of layups and dunks.
@@BrotherK-ex2co How would that increase dunks and layups? If three's are only worth two, they won't shoot from distance as much so the defenses won't be as spread out. People get to the rim more easily now because they have more room to operate
@@RicardoAGuitar there is less reason To shoot from further out.the closer you get to the basket, the higher percentage shot.
@@BrotherK-ex2co Right...but there will be more defenders inside of 10-15 feet.
If you meant there will be more ATTEMPTS at dunks and layups, I agree
I'm all for that. Scratch off that 3 points rule. It only destroys basketball.
The NBA’s ratings speak volumes
Game is so boring now, no skill set except 3 point shots, when you pass up a guaranteed lay up for a 3 outside is stupid
I think if Rodman was in this era his rebounds would be insane.
any nba player told to not worry about shooting could have EASILY pulled Rodman numbers. Rodman has NO BUSINESS in the HOF. And that just ain't my position.......the HOF is NOT for role players. Dennis couldn't hit a 2 foot shot if his life depended on it. You wanna talk REAL rebounder who also would give you thirty-plus regularly!?? Try someone like Barkley who was also inches shorter. Rodman is the most overrate athlete to ever live
@@markfrost2707 You have no idea what youre talking about.
Even Michael jordan praised Rodman because he was willing to do the dirty work on defense. Every pro player respects rodman for his hustle.
He played in a extremely physical era where teams were packed and every game was a war.
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@@markfrost2707 You really need to stop smoking that shit. Rodman's rebounding records alone puts him in HOF...the entire NBA disagrees with you
To me, Steve Kerr is the biggest reason why the 3 point era came way faster than it probably would've. Steph was the mascot, but Kerr was the mastermind. And yeah, the people who are saying that it's ruining basketball do have a legitimate reason to think so. There definitely needs to be a better balance.
Also who else is looking forward to GS vs POR?
Mark Jackson built that team but got replaced before it got to fruition… just FYI
It’s getting almost painful to watch the players destroying the game between all the dribbling and three pointers.
Extreme low basketball IQ had taking over the whole sport
Forget basketball. It took over the world.
Yup. That's why we got all these idiots nowadays that don't realize Jordan _hands down_ the one and only GOAT.
I agreed with all your points. It is definitely the case that the 3-pt era has its pros and cons. I just want to add a point regarding the spacing that it provides. As the area of defense get wider, there is more space for each team to work with. I think more plays and strategies are created due to this fact. And it makes the game more diverse.
I wish more people would see this video
Please show my man some love because this takes are at the top of the yt community.
One of just a few people that can change my perspective on the nba in a few minutes
More content like this and he'll blow up in a month or two
Watching the GSW in 2015, I thought it was amazing to watch, but there was no way they'd keep winning with that strategy. I was wrong, but I think I would've been right if they were any other team in history.
Thank you! I'm so tired of this sh*t.
It’s fun to see your team hit a three but when the game is running back and forth between the three point lines and hacking it up it’s really really boring.
Totally ruined it. I get bored after 10 mins highlights of the finals, forget watching an entire game of regular season. Intensity is not there either. I go back watching MJ and Kobe, way more fun and more strategic way to play basketball. Today's game remind me of friendly I used to play with other kids after training, when the manager had gone home and could not see the sh*t we were pulling.
I’d pay to watch today’s NBA experimenting a game or a few without the three point line (pre 1980s) and see if the players get exposed to their weaknesses (fundamentals, low post games, etc). The players that have played in the 1980s, 90s, and even the early part of 2000s were coached by those who experienced the game (pro or not) without the 3s.
Actually all you’d need to do is start calling the rules by the old ways again, especially those pertaining to ball handling. It’s so much easier to get a good shot off when you can take 3-4 steps, shuffle your feet and “cradle” aka carry the ball whenever you please. Start calling the rules the old way and fundamentals come back.
The metrics which show the superiority of the 3 over the 2 may work over the course of the regular season, but not necessarily in the playoffs. In a 7 game series we are dealing with a compressed 4 to 7 game "mini-season", where one or two 3pt. 'cold streaks' (far more common when you are taking lower percentage shots) can end your season. Relying on 3s in the post-season is a losing strategy.
Well said buddy, really well said. It just doesn't work so well during the playoffs. A high volume of 3-point shooting is just a fraud strategy, nothing more.
That play when the nuggets shot the three and should've cut to get a layup was actually true honestly like go dunk that smh
I’m fine with the shooting. Some parking lot threes with 20 seconds left on the shot clock are pretty frustrating. But what bothers me the most is the ridiculous fouls. You can’t hand check anymore, but even when a defender just has his arm out, all the shooter has to do is flail into the defenders arm and it draws a shooting foul. That seriously should be an offensive foul. The shooter is initiating the contact. I know its a different point from 3ball basketball. But when we are already seeing the best shooting from players we’ve ever seen, defenders can’t even defend in today’s game. That’s what ruining the game.
I wonder how the great passing teams of the pre-3 point shot NBA, such as Red Auerbach's Celtics teams, and the late 1960s - early 1970s New York Knickerbockers would do in the NBA now if they played their same "old style" of interior passing, cutting to the basket, hitting the open man, and taking high percentage shots - - - and hitting the boards for offensive rebounds. In 1993 my high school had an alumni varsity basketball game, with varsity players from the 1960s and 1970s against varsity players from the 1980s and 1990s. At one point in the game, at age 45, I was the youngest player on the court for the 1960s-70s team. We had been coached to play basketball the "old" way. The 80s-90s team had been coached in the 3-point way. When we (the "old" were on defense, we found that defending "the perimeter" was far easier than the defense we had to play two or three decades earlier. On defense, the 80s-90s team was unable to defend against interior passing and 8 foot to 12 foot shots. The "old" way won. With that in mind, the question isn't "How many 3-point shots would Rick Barry, or Tommy Heinsohn, or George Yardley, or Jack Twyman, or Oscar Robertson make now, but would the players now be able to stop their "old" style of play?
I'll be real. I think Barkley seriously hit the nail right on the fuckin' head.
Amazing. I use to watch the NBA during the 90s and stopped around 1998. 2 years ago I started playing an online basketball game where I'd play characters at the centre position and I'd get mostly random positive messages from players like "you're the best C I've ever played with" "you dominate. You make the game fun." But then 1 day this guy sends me a long rant telling me the game isnt played like that anymore and I need to set up more 3 point plays. I didnt know what the hell he was talking about until a few months ago when I started watching vids like this. Incredible it's gotten like this.
yeah, a 7'+ european big taking 3s for the mavericks in the 2000s would've been unheard of!
Teams don’t have to play defense. One guy dribbling, big comes up to set a pick… guy drives and shoots or kicks out for a 3. Four guys standing beyond the arc, one guy sets picks.
Very little horizontal ball movement. Usually one pass, maybe two. Mostly dribbling.
The D doesn’t have to move.
Boring to watch. Every game is like the all-star game. 🥱
To see how much the NBA has changed into a glorified 3 point contest, Reggie Miller's highest average number of 3s attempted in a season was 6.6, now players like Klay Thompson, Stephen Curry and James Harden average more than that for their entire careers
While it's good to have a faster game pacing, i really don't like to watch too many players attempting 3s.
When i watch the highlights videos, basically 50% of them are long distance shots instead of stunning crossovers, nice assists or dunks.
Maybe it's time to abolish the 3pt line.
I agree the 3pt shot is getting abused but I like the spacing and pace of play today. Eliminate the 3 pt line and we’ll see the game revert back to what we saw in the 50’s.
@@fieryjalapenos4442 No you won't. The fifties had no shot clock. I think we need a 4 point line.
@@Gnofg if you simply removed the 3 point line, then you ruin the value of shooting, particularly from range. There would be no real incentive to shoot from 23 ft out since it wouldn’t be any extra points so the mindset would go back to getting as close to the basket as possible. Remember, the rules determine the best players.
@@fieryjalapenos4442 quick question does an offense run better with Hardin jacking up threes or Bill Walton , Dennis Johnson and Larry Bird running an offense
@@Gnofg If you knew anything about basketball you’d know that’s a ridiculous question. Harden averages more points and assists per game than Walton and Johnson. And his numbers are pretty similar to Larry’s career numbers. You sure your name isn’t Michael Bong? Cause you must be high as fuck if you think Bill Walton was a better facilitator than Harden.
locker room ppl said if kyrie didnt get injured cavs wouldve won which was true but if draymond never got suspened in 2016 warriors wouldve won
2016 was US election, NBA needed LBJ to campaign for Hillary
it is the old NBa was much better
Every team learned the wrong lesson from Golden State's dynasty. While it proved the 3 pointer is indeed a more valuable shot, the thing gm's and coaches should've taken away from it is that a team that plays to its own strengths will always be better than a team that is trying to emulate someone else.
Nothing is more entertaining than creating shots mid-air. I no longer watch full game but highlights compilation,