Bergara vs Howa | In-depth Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Bergara vs Howa | In-depth Comparison
In this video we compare the Bergara B-14 to the Howa 1500. More specifically the models we use in the video are the Bergara B-14 Wilderness Ridge and Howa H-S Precision. We go over the stock design, receiver design, trigger, action and barrel. Hope you like this in-depth review.
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I ordered my Howa HSP yesterday for $757. I've got an appointment to get it Ceracoated next week. From my experience with my other Howa rifles i dont expect to be disappointed. Keep up the good work!
I have a Bergara b14 HMR in 308 and love it. I have absolutely no regrets. I was gonna do a howa 1500 barreled action into a KRG Bravo but at the time the barreled actions had no eta on restock and i found the bergara with a descent deal. I am glad I did.
Very nice!
I have a Howa S/A varmint weight 308 set up in a Boyds stock, I purchased the barreled action for 250$ on sale about 5 years ago. I got bored putting together AR's and wanted an all-purpose precision rifle. My intent was to glass the action, this however was thwarted when I put the stock on and went to the range. The first 3 rounds after sight in with some military 147gr, changed my plans. Loading 3 rounds of 168 gr. match, I fired my first group. The 3 rounds made one ragged hole. Ever hear the expression," don't fix something that works?" I've thought about a chassis, but once again, this is a solid MOA rifle, actually 3/4 is common.
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@@rayphil9641 Nice. I loved my bergara so much I now also own the b14r 22lr and a premier hmr pro in 300 prc. All shoot lights out and have been nothing but amazing in every way. I may do a howa in 22-250 next actually in a mdt xrs chassis.
Great, thorough, informative review. My first Howa 1500 carried the Mossberg brand in the late 1980s. I bought it at a major discount for my oldest boy for his first elk hunt. The stamped sheet metal bolt release and safety lever looked cheap, but they have never failed in 35 years. The two position safety not locking the bolt has resulted in the bolt being pulled open while scrambling through brush and an empty chamber when the rifle was brought up to fire. Luckily, this has been fixed with the three position safety in the more recent edition of the Howa 1500 that I purchased 5 years ago. The trigger on the early rifle was horrible and I replace it with a Timney. The newer factory triggers are vastly better, only a little tiny grittiness. I haven't replaced the latest trigger with a Timney, but I think about it every time I fire the rifle at the range; in the field I never notice it. The first Howa has served as an intro hunting rifle for two sons and two grandsons. The second I bought in 2018 and carried a Weatherby Vanguard brand. I restocked it with a Bell and Carlson stock to my dimensions. We have killed dozens of elk between us with these two Howa rifles, although my go-to rifle from 1978 to 2018 was a Ruger 77 with a custom barrel. One grandson will leave Colorado next summer when he graduates and live with his uncle in Alaska. For his first rifle purchase before moving, I'm suggesting Howa, Tikka or Begara. If it were me, I'd choose a Howa.
I have a 22 250 Howa, and the B14 Bergara 6.5 Creed and absolutely love them. Iv hunted (coyotes/varmints) with them both for the first time last year. I had Night vision on the Howa and thermal along with suppressor on my 6.5 CM. I killed 116 yotes, 2 fox, and 3 bobcats. I know they are two totally different caliber, but it makes no difference, they are both awesome. The 6.5 trigger pull, and bolt is without a doubt better. Love shooting 4000 + with the 22 250 so it’s the best of both worlds.
I need to coyote hunt with you apparently.
4000 with a 22-250
4000 what?
@@NoNo_IStay feet per second
After watching your videos Im on the hunt for a HOWA HS Precision in 30-06... thanks for the video and all the comparative points one vs the other.
Man I'm having a tuff time deciding between a Wilderness or the Howas. Heard great things about both companies. Now that I have watched I thought it was a great review. Now still leaning towards a Howa. I realize this is a year old but it was helpful, thx!
Wait... they have new stuff coming out
@@Bullets4Bucksyou like the carbon stalkers howa has? Thinking 7mm-08
@@lessforloans yes I do.
buddy put a muzzle brake on my Howa and the recoil is nearly gone and that's on a bipoded front and the 24" barrel
I own a bergara b14 in 6.5 cm and a howa 1500 in 6.5cm both shoot great. But I am looking for a new 7mm and because of the guns I own and shooting both. I'm 90% sure I'll buy another bergara rather then the howa. It feels and shoots like a better overall quality weapon.....just my opinion and since I get nothing from either manufacturer. It's my feeling my money will be better spent on bergara.
Keep your groups small.
As long as bergara has good qc its a great rifle
Thanks for this comment. I'm shopping for a 7mm Mag and am split between the Howa and Bergara. I have a Howa 1500 in .223 and like it a lot, but have no experience with the Bergaras.
I have a howa hs precision in 7mm rem mag. it shoots right around moa with hornady 162 grain eld x., but I hate the action and bolt. It is so noisy.slunds like a loud zipper every time you operate the bolt. Pass. I ordered a bergara wilderness ridge, 300 prc. Action is way smoother and just feels like a more quality gun.that being said the howa hs precision stock is awesome.
I did cut my HACT trigger spring for a great result, however I like the older Howa single stage trigger (which can easily be adjusted). Bought my 1st Howa 25 years ago, and 2 more since. They just shoot!
Yup
I still reckon the Howa's are really value for money , great rifles.
Great value. If Bergara continues to improve qc they will be a force to be reckoned with also.
@@Bullets4Bucks yes , the Bergara's are a decent rifle , i wouldn't grizzle if i had one !
@@Bullets4Bucks just got one in 300 wm and it's smoother than a baby's bum. My first "precision" rifle and has treated me very well.
Howa hs precision costs more than a bergara wilderness ridge
The Howa isn't that much cheaper than a Bergara. You get more for your dollar buying Bergara.
I own both and love both brands. My top 3 "factory" rifles are bergara, howa and tikka.
The only downside to the howa is availability of aftermarket parts. The bergara being a rem700 clone has more options. The tikkas are 2nd and the howa 1500 comes in 3rd.
Good choices
My howa 1500 in 25-06 shoots 115vld hand loads into one hole at 100yds. The only thing I've changed was the trigger. Still has the "Tupperware" stock and factory barrel.
My bergara is a premier series HMR in 300prc. It shoots half moa out to 1300yds with the 212gr precision hunter from hornady.
My tikka is in 223rem and shoots moa with a half dozen factory loads from 62-75gr.
Maybe I've been lucky in getting good rifles but I've done my research also. I just wish howa and tikka offered 26" barrels.
@@kirkmartin2223 Howa do have 26" barrels, you don't see many advertised though.
@@redrock425 thats strange because the regional sales rep told me via email that they no longer offer 26" barrels and have no plans to offer them in the future.
I have two Howa's and are flawless and are great shooting rifle 's . Howa stands behind they're products. Never had any complaints.
They are solid
What kind of service support did Howa provide you?
Not one complaint from me . Just like vortex. No questions ask . Put those two together and your golden .
I own a Bergara BMP in 6.5 cm, it's easily one of the best shooting long guns I've shot. From the barrel to the chassis to the trigger, just top quality all around.
I’m 20 seconds in and, having seen it’s the guy who gets 40% off his Howa rifles for his favourable reviews, I’m already wondering about the conclusion. I’ll watch with interest and comment when I get there... Well, there’s an element of objectivity and good to see both get the thumbs up despite an obvious leaning toward the Howa throughout. I’m not overly upset and happy to declare why.
I like researching before I buy. I did lots and had Tikka and Howa in mind. The biggest gripe about either seemed to be the budget price of the Howa (never really understood griping about a favourable price). So, Howa 1500 in .223, 24” heavy barrel in Boyd laminate stock, full barrel break in procedure got (even with an inexperienced shooter like me) moa out of the box. Happy days! Some home loads and I’ve had less than 1/4 moa. Even happier days!
I wanted a .308 so another Howa was always on the cards. When I went to a shooting show and saw effectively the same rifle (in .308 with brown laminate stock instead of ash grey) reduced by almost 50%, it was a no-brainer. Five minutes later, it was mine. Same barrel break-in, around moa even out to 600 yds and home loads yet to be tried.
With the limited experience of these two rifles I would recommend Howa every day of the week. Do I think there are better rifles out there - probably. Do I think the (approx) 50% added cost would make me a better shooter - not convinced on that but open to someone giving it a go.
I get a discount on most rifles but it usually off an msrp cost so its not a huge margin. No rifle company at this time actually pays me or gives anything of meaningful value for free. If you watch my first bergara videos on the hmr. I was nothing but excited until it wouldn't shoot properly any negativity towards bergara is founded on my experience with them or build design. Also a fair deal of my howa videos were produced before i got discounts from anyone. Whats funny is the first howa hs precision I bought was cheaper at sportsmans guide where I bought it than the discount i was offered lol. Also no one says i have to give a positive review on rifles. I got about 40% off the msrp on that bergara.
@@handle--729 is the vanguard smoother?
Ignore barrel break-in nonsense, even the barrel manufacturers say so. More rifles ruined by over cleaning than not 😉
Thanks for the great breakdown of each set of features. The more I learn about Howa rifles, the more I realize I want one.
No problem d w
Hold one and manipulate the bolt, then do the same on a Bergara. You'll change your mind real quick.
@@LosDoyerss already have. The Bergara is smooth, but not enough for me to choose it over the Howa.
I got the bergara wilderness ridge in 6.5 prc. It shoots .58 at 100 yards and built extremely tough. People get hung up on stock build ect. But if it shoots moa who cares. My bergara out shoots my sako!
Nice shooting
Having owned several Bergaras with varying degrees of QC issues and broken extractor in one, I prefer my Howa now. The M16 extractor and two stage trigger are great when hunting. Howa did a great job improving the Rem 700 style action in making their own.
Indeed
I disagree. Sorry you got a lemon, but the bergara is a by far better rifle than the howa.
Bergara has far better quality. You probably got a lemon.
Stick with the Tried True Tikka T3 or T3x , you just don't see problems with Tikka , compared to many, many, brands. To many Manufacturers try reinventing the wheel with negative results. Simplicity in design, quality trigger, and great barrel is always the solution, Like even the Remington 700 has; that is before they screwed it up.
@@eugenegress5896 The tikka just feels too much like it has a cheap, woodpeckery plastic stock and plastic trigger guard. Feels like a cheap Gamo pellet air gun
You can't do any better than Howa.
I've got a few of these rifles and they are just as accurate as any of the rest of my hunting rifles. I always use fireformed brass and neck size only besides trimming and chamforing. I have tailor made ammunition for each and every rifle in my inventory. I only use Sierra pro Hunter bullets for everything except when hunting for moose and Buffalo. The nosler partition has been my favorite bullet for the biggest and meanest critters agoin.
I think a lot of the complaints you have with the Howa can easily be mitigated by just buying a Weatherby Vanguard, of course made by Howa. A majority of the Weatherby Vanguard models are cerakoted and a lot of them include a brake standard. I’ve always felt that the Weatherby stock is much nicer than the Howa stock. I can’t stand the trigger (Howa or Weatherby Vanguard) so I replace them with a Timney single stage, but it still retains the 3 position safety…it’s just a more quality feeling part. One thing I’m surprised you didn’t mention is that the Howa bolt has pressure vents, in the event that you have a round that over pressures in the chamber. They are known to be one of the safest actions made due to this feature.
Thanks for that. I also like that I can remove the firing pin from the bolt very easily. When reloading, it is a good practice to take the bolt out, remove the pin, then check the sizing of your brass by putting each case into the receiver and closing the bolt. You would be surprised that some cases are not sized correctly and the bolt won't close. Removal of the firing pin is a safety check. If you check brass sizing before loading, it saves time and a potential danger. Imagine a dangerous game animal charging and you can't chamber a round?
My bergara wilderness terrain has yet to shoot under 1.5 inches in 140 rnds. Match ammo included. Usually it’s 2-3 inches. Aguila shot 15-18 inches, no lie
Interesting
Oh and for sure, the 3 position safety on the Howa is a winner! Do wish it felt a little nicer/more substantial.
Yeah needs something more to the feel
I own a Bergara but have not shot yet. I have never owned a Howa but seeing the HS Precision stock makes me want to get one. I have a Remington 700 with the same stock and it is a solid preformer.
Its a sweet stock
The stock is nice but it's not worth the lesser of everything else.
Great video! Love the systematic approach to the comparison!
Thank you
Very nice review. We all have different opinions of what we would like. It does seem that the Bergara gives you more bang for the buck. There is something to be said for being able to adjust the trigger yourself as well. I don't feel that a little bit of flex in a stock makes much difference at all as many do looking at gun reviews. Almost all pillars and different types of bedding work and do the job whether metal, epoxy, glass whatever. I am looking to get a PRC rifle but have not yet decided on a 6.5 PRC or a 300 PRC. It may depend on which one I can get the ammo or brass for seeing they are both so hard to come by right now. Your review was very fair and an enjoyable watch.
Thank you for watching and great feedback! The trigger is easier to adjust on bergara
I can’t wait to get a bergara B14 ridge. I have a he precision howa, hate the skinny barrel.
tru that's why I just bought a ridge haven't gotten my hands on it yet
@@leemiller5194 thinking I will get the premier highlander. Like the bolt design better
@@matthewkyle2534 nice i think you’ll love it! do u know the profile on the highlander? I used a long range hunting form to find out the ridge was sporter number 5.
Hey Regarding your comment about not having enough room in your studio to have both rifles in the shot. Maybe you could add some wooden pegs to the wall behind you and shift to the right side of the frame. Then you could have multiple rifles in frame and could point to the different options on both but still be able to grab them if you wanted to show one in particular. Just a thought.
Thank you for the helpful idea
Thanks for the review. I’m going to look for a Howa HS Prec in 30-06. I’m 307 too.
Great video. Are you able to do a review between a Weatherby Vanguard and a Howa HS Precision?
Not at the moment but maybe one day. I have had both. I can tell you the howa hs precision stock is much better than most vanguards. They are they same barreled action though.
I keep hearing people say loading a bipod will make the barrel touch the stock. I dont think that os the case. If you put forward pressure on the bipod it appears to me it would pull down on the stock or up on the action while separating the barrel from the stock. Kind of putting stress on the front action screw.
First off I'm not down on Howa, and I would'nt say that I will never own one but it will more than likely be a Weatherby Vangaurd if I do. Howa makes decent actions and barrels. Their stocks all come from vendors. Most come in a Hogue variety, either the slippery, very lite, cheap, flexible polymer, (not composite style) or the heavy pillar bedded rubber overmolded stocks that also tend to flex. I think some use Stocky's but the HS Precision is the exception to the rule and the bright spot to this rifle. The actions on the Howas are known to be sloppy and rough. Howa also tends to put thin contour #2 barrels on everything even heavy hitters like that 300 PRC which looks hideous with that ungodly muzzle brake you have adapted to it. I would love to see its groups BTW. I can only imagine the amount of barrel whip. I do like 3 position safeties, but I've never had an issue with a bolt opening because I have the rifle in hand going through the thick stuff. I cant say anything about the the 2 stage HACT trigger never used one but the Begara single stage is awesome from the factory, easily adjustable and shouldnt need replacement. Begara actions are extremly smooth, solid and reliable. I've never had an extraction issue, they are an improved version of the Rem 700, enough said. Begara produces their own fibre reinforced composite stocks that are actually an extremely good value. They are of high quality, stiff, and provide superior purchase to polymer. They are aluminum pillar bedded unlike what you stated about them using epoxy or some BS. Fact is every Begara rifle comes with the same quality stock regardless of model except for walnut. You make a big issue out of the sandwiched recoil lug that's been used on Rem 700's since '62 and has never been an issue that I'm aware of. The reason they use this design is because the action is made from cylidrical bar stock which cut's cost in manufacturing and provides a much more accurate platform thats easier to bed. The only issues I've ever heard about comprimised recoil lugs comes from Tikka. This design was found to be superior to flat bottom forged actions with integral recoil lugs. Long story short I dont feel this is an entirely accurate evaluation of the 2 rifles. I would really like to see some targets though. Just curious.
Very cool clip mate, keep up the great work.
Thank you sir
I got a begera in 6.5 and love it shot a coyote at 720 yards a Rabbit at 863 yards it’s tough as nails!!
Wow thats crazy good shooting
I have a Bergara b 14 HMR 6.5 PRC and I can hit steel at 2,700 yds with my Sworo Z8i 3.5x28x50 P. You can’t beat that rifle and I’ve outshot guys with 7,8,10k rifles. It’s all about the person pulling the trigger. Yes I like expensive bolt guns and own quite a collection with 8-9 HCR custom rifles with Nightforce beast on most of them but a rifle doesn’t make you a good shooter, shooting makes you a good shooter. PS I love your reviews.
Thank you for watching! Thats some incredible shooting.
I’m sure there are thousands of others with 7,8,10k rifles that can out shoot you blindfolded. Lol everyone’s a marksman today lmfao
@@Thamac15 would have to disagree on that. Until you have shot 2,000 yds+ you have no reference to go off of. I've been shooting for 7 years now. And very few people are marksman these days because of how rare are complicated the sport is. I'm not saying I am a great shot but very few have put marks on steel at 3,560 yds which is my personal longest shot with a 357 chetych HCR custom. I assume you have never been around a long-range world or been to a match because you would take back those words very quickly.
I was a Cavalry Scout in Vietnam and I witnessed on more than one occasion the skills of some of the best shooters of that conflict. You are 100% correct. "Yes, the equipment of today can make the most lousy shots (at the very least) mediocre. I learned to shoot accurately at 500 yards with an M14 on fixed sites. All the technical equipment does today is assist me with my failing eyesight and somewhat dulled senses. I have a Howa HCR 1500 in the American flag carriage. Compared to what I used to shoot it is absolutely the very best rifle for me. That being said ... I don't have a lot of experience with the modern selection of long range rifles. But, I do understand a quality build when I see one.
Baloney! Comparing yourself to Ryan Cheney. GTFOOH with that pile of bull.
Good job! I have several Howas and they all shoot clover leaf @ 100 yards.
Thanks Pilot
Just got a Bergara myself. Haven't got a chance to try it yet. The manual says if the trigger adjusts below 2.2lbs that you should increase the poundage. Maybe a safety concern? Either way the trigger is pretty nice.
Its pretty slick
I have a Bergara B14 HMR in 6.5 creedmoor and my best grouping is 3/8, but been averaging 5/8 grouping at 100 yards
Very good
Got three Howa's and they all shoot but the Bergara looks nice also
The first thing box I have to check for a hunting rifle is always the three position safety.
Yes
For me, three position is best, but I’ll deal with a two if it has a bolt lock. I personally can’t get away from the Tikkas.
Any experience with JTAC? They have a screech owl rifle that uses a Howa 1500 action. I’m considering it in 6.5 CM 22” barrel. The chassis looks awesome. Just trying to find a little more feedback. Also considering sig cross and Sauer 100 Pantera.
No
I just got my bergara wilderness in 6.5prc and my first 10 shots without any break in were with in a inch Moa
They are both very good providing you have a good scope on it.
I was playing musical chairs with scopes that day
I shot both rifles in different setups and will probably buy in .223 oryx chassis and bergara in 6.5 creedmoor. Not sure what variants yet. Both for target shooting.
Thanks for this review. I am going with the Howa for the simple reason I want a rifle chambered in 223 Remington. and the H-S Precision offers this caliber. Bergara makes great rifles but does not offer 223 at least anymore. But I watched for your opinion on the H-S Precision. Question - the H-S Precision comes with a 22" standard barrel but if I buy a barreled action the barrel is heavy at 20". I prefer the heavier barrel. I can go to Stocky's and get this same stock or another stock of my choice since many fit the Howa 1500 action. Opinion?
Great vid. I’m considering both. What kind of check pad do you have on the Howa?
Click on the store link in the description and you should be able to find which type it is in my store. I cannot remember off hand.
Bergara has 41 50 chromemolly action and barrel, hammer forged tungsten ceracoat
Nice
Very interesting to see! I am trying to decide between a Howa in GRS fenris stock with 22“ hunter barrel or a 24 heavy barrel and a bergara hmr wilderness for hunting, but I guess the later two are too heavy for hunting? Quite difficult to find the weight for all the howas versions. Tending towards the howa with the lighter 22“ barrel because of the weight. Any opinion on that? 🙋🏻♀️
Howa
😂🙋🏻♀️Thanks! 22“ light barrel or would you go with the 24“ heavy barrel for hunting? Only two options in .308 I can currently get here.
Just ordered a bergara wilderness ridge in 6.5 creed last night, can’t wait
Its sweet
@@Bullets4Bucks gonna get one in 300 win mag when I move out west in the next couple years
@@winchester37a nice you will have to come hunt
For my tastes this review is too focused on mechanical/manufacturing details. It's a hunting gun. Weight, reliability, accuracy, smoothness of the action, ergonomy, capability to be accurate with multiple different cartridges, weather resistance.. These are important details, not the recoil lug or how you take off the firing pin from the bolt..
Lol
@@Bullets4Bucks nice reply man. If you wanna get better you should listen to critics, not make fun of who does them. That's what adults do. But yeah, replying "lol" is much easier.
@@ssimossimo576 😆
@@Bullets4Bucks my God.. you are so childish and arrogant.. Good luck with your biased and not pragmatical at all contents.. Almost everyone disagrees with you in the comments, i think there is a reason. But you just laugh like a child so go ahead like this, if you are happy ;)
"risus abundat in ore stultorum"
I own both a Bergara Ridge in a 7mm-08 and a Howa 1500 Hogue in a .223. The Howa has way more flex in the forearm than the Bergara. The Bergara will shoot a 1" moa with just about anything I shoot through it whereas the Howa will shoot 2"-3" groups with the best factory ammo. I emailed Howa 1 1/2 to 2 months ago and still haven't heard back. Good customer service
The hogue is the cheapest model howa. Although even that should still shoot around 1 moa. I would clean it and tighten action screws. I usually recommend the howa hs precision over the hogue but those have gone up in price.
@@Bullets4Bucks I broke it in according to OM, checked all screws including scope mount, even swapped scopes with no avail. Tried at least 15+ different recipes with different bullets and also different factory ammo. Would hate to trade it and give someone else the problems. Right now it just sits in the corner and probably will until I just give it away to one on the kids and if they don't want it I'll just hang it in the shed so I don't have to look at it. I've owned numbers of guns in my life and this is the only one that disappoints.
@@joetietjen527 the Howa and Bergara are both great rifles. I’ve owned two heavy barrel howa’s, and with hand loads hover around 1/4” moa. Both my howa shot best with the action screws torqued to 50 in-lbs. maybe give that a try. Both of mine have been glass bedded, but I glass bed all my rifles anyways. Brother had an early model bergara HMR that did not shoot up to expectations. Some loads it shot good around .6-.7 moa, but most loads shot slightly over moa to 1/4” moa. You can get a lemon from every manufacturer is my main point. I would try a few things in the howa and if it doesn’t help then send it down the road and enjoy your bergara and be happy. I have shot several bergara that shot lights out, apparently my brother just got unlucky with his. Hope you get the howa figured out, or if not get it replaced with something better. Will say that hogue stock has a lot of flex, and it might be worthwhile to restock it also.
It's a hunting rifle. You'll never tell the difference hunting with any of these rifles. RUclips causes paralysis by analysis on issues that don't really exist in the real world.
@@Simon-talks
Thank You!👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Thank you for the great video.
You are welcome
With the Bergara HMR, did you send it back to them for warranty work?
For hunting I prefer the Howa, I have 3 in various cal., never have failed I own one Bergara in 7mm-08. If you want a single shot this is your rifle. I have had a serious problem with it on ejection, it will not make it out of the ejection port on a empty round on ejection of spent case, never. Have contacted Bergara and they sent me a new ejection spring, same problem after installed. Accuracy, great, loves Federal 140 NBT. Touches same hole at a 100 yds. Would I take it hunting? nope not until the problem is fixed. Another problem with the Bergara is if you have big hands, it is a bear to load with such a small ejection port. Granted, I have become used to rifles with magazines. Howa is the same and much easier to load. Bergara needs stronger extraction and ejection springs, period. A design flaw to say the least.
Try taking the bolts apart, and you will really appreciate the Howa.
Yes love the howa Bolt takedown
No comparison. I had a howa i couldn't get to be accurate. My bergara had been awesome
Its funny that my experience has been completely opposite. My first bergara was worst shooting rifles ever owned and i have never had a howa that couldn't. I do believe you are being honest its just funny how things happen
Qc is always going to be a problem with today's demands. With factory hunting ammo my howa can shoot .4" groups pretty consistently
Granted I only do 3 shot groups cause I get too excited when I see a good group going and I always mess it up on the pull lol
Got my eye on the Bergara 300 PRC myself. Love it when gun dudes do a twenty-five minute comparison on stuff, then conclude by saying, "...buy whichever one you want, they're both good." Uhhhh, okay...[Laffin' 😄]
@@bustabass9025 if we say "this one is better" then you've considered it aiding gun sales and demonetizes you
@@AlaskanBallistics
Ahhh, okay. But in your comment you clearly prefer the Bergara. You're a RUclips gun dude, whose opinion would certainly carry weight for those viewing your channel and your comments on related matters.
So I guess that demonetization consequence only applies when doing head to head comparisons. Which, if you ask me doesn't make a whole lot of sense to begin with...go figure. 🙁
good video as always
Thank you
@1:19 "heh heh heh heh... he just said 'pack my, errr butt'-stock" - Beavis and Butthead
lol. Kidding.
Hi sir great videos. I have keep re-watching! Big question, which is better in 6.5 Creedmoor: Bergara wilderness ridge or Howa carbon fiber barrel in that Kratos coloring in, I guess, a precision stock since the whole gun weighs 7.8 pounds?
Which model howa? Are talking about the carbon fiber hogue or elevate?
@@Bullets4Bucks I think it may be the carbon fiber in a precision stock because that whole rifle weighs 7.8 pounds but it’s the Kratos Color stock
@@Bullets4Bucks I am also shopping this against a savage ultralight
@@rpk5250 if its a fiberglass or carbon fiber stock and barrel i would get that over the polymer of the bergara or savage
Both very solid platforms I'd lean Bergara if choosing between the two that said I dont have either haha! Also I prefer single stage trigger and most mid to low end rifles I'd say swap out the trigger anyway. Good run through that each rifle has it place depending on the shooter. I will also add bolt run is a vastly over rated point that people cling too. Especially as I've felt rifles (as example the Tika I used to own) that had incredibly smooth bolt run while magazine is empty but completely different run when loaded. Loaded is what I am concerned about so empty bolt run kind of means bupkiss to me.
Get what you prefer most rifles will shoot great anyway
@@Bullets4Bucks exactly so!
The qc issues i was reading on some forums with the bergara was the reason i chose the howa plus the better howa stock. My savage came with a similar stock as the bergara i replaced it with a hogue stock with the aluminum bedding.
That is why i usually choose howa
Amen ,I am not paying 1k or more for a rifle that has issues , then have to deal with the headaches of having to deal with getting them fixed. Ordered my 308 and just bought a Burris 8-40x50 to top it off.
Interesting. Maybe we shouldn’t base our opinions on forum. I read all that internet BS too. So, before buying a new rifle i called all the biggest gunshops in my country asking for a comparison on returns and qc issues on howa, bergaras and tikkas. No one said he had to return a single bergara rifle qnd they sell a lot. Herd psychology guys. Actually most lgs said they had issues with tikkas more than with the other two. Yeah, they sell more tikkas than bergara but it didn’t look like bergara had qc issues more than the other two
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I've had both. I thought the Bergara was overpriced by about $200 dollars for what I got.
I believe Bergara uses a Bergara barrel on a Tikka t3 action. They formerly used a Remington action.
No
Nope. Still a 700 action.
Three position safety is a huge plus for the Howa!
Yes I like it
@@Bullets4Bucks It might not be a big deal for the range. But for hunters moving through brush it is a big deal to lock the bolt.
I own a Howa 1500 24'' Heavy Barrell with a Meopta 5 4-20x 50RD. At the range, 250 m, I shoot sub 5 cm (2 inch) groups with RVS Target Elite 168g or S & B 180g. No muzzle break, black hogue stock, with a bipod. Not like the guy with the Ruger Precision in .338 Lapua, who didnt hit shit. But it was loud.
Nice shooting
Has Howa changed their thread pattern? All the places I’ve looked shows they are 5/8 x 24 now. If u had to choose which one of the 2 would u purchase?
Some howas are 5/8 and some are 1/2 still. I would choose the Howa Elevate ... both are good
good review man. i must be old and outta touch ive neve heard of bergera. but it looks pretty good
Thank you sir. Its nice to hear appreciate it. Usually i just get ppl hating me lol
@@Bullets4Bucks thats because they are haters and dont have the fortitude and work ethic to create something positive such as your channel. you keep on doing what your doing brudda. god bless the USA
@@abelcross2445 thank you. Sometimes i am a hypocrite and jerk but atleast I am trying to promote the sport
How much importance do you personally put on the cerakote? Since Bergara already has it done, that definitely adds to the gun. If you add that and the brake, I'd assume you're looking at least a couple hundred dollars of added value.
Cerakoted means little to me but brake adds about 50 to 100 in value
Bullets4Bucks do you consider cerakote as more of a gimmick? Or just not as important on a rifle? I was thinking I’d like to have it on my next one.
@@jstreetgiant1970 definitely not a gimmick but not necessary either. Great for wet weather hunting. Don't have to worry about rust or corrosion as much.
If not stainless steel ceracoat is nice costs 200 ish aftermarket
What was the price difference between both in regards to the stock options? In the UK to have that stock (or similar) it bumps the price up considerably
It is probably $150 to $200 for the stock upgrade. I paid $919.00 for mine USD.
HOWA up against who? Seriously, both nice rifles, but the HOWA will always win hands down in the value stakes. All my HOWA rifles (cheapish 1500’s) are all a dream to shoot, are all superbly accurate and they’re not super-fussy about the ammo I put through them, which is all home loads different projectiles and powder charges; just the standard load development by trial and error. I’m a HOWA fan through and through; they’re the best value, most underrated rifle on the market, and I want them to stay underrated so the price doesn’t skyrocket. Anyway, good vid yet again. Cheers from Down Under.
Thank you sir.
If you want an underrated budget rifle, try a cva cascade…you won’t be disappointed.
What scope is on the bergara
In this video, a burris eliminator III
Lol man that’s crazy I been hunting over 20 years from the south east to Arizona and New Mexico and never had the bolt get caught on the lame where I wasn’t paying attention, and actually pull a round out. B-14 is the better rifle all the way around just for me.
Some models have crappy stock with both howa and bergara. I like the howa carbon or hs precision and the bergara crest
I have the Howa with the Hogue stock in 6.5 prc and I like it a lot. I did replace the trigger with a timney because I didn’t like the cheap safety. Other than that it’s an awesome rifle!
Good to hear
Bergara is a much better rifle.. not seeing any long range shooting with a howa sounds kinda bias..
? 25% of my channel is long range shooting with a howa. Also mark and sam after work channel and the impact shooting channel uses them some of the time. Also, look up my review on my bergara hmr. If I have a reason to like one or the other its from my experience with both but i do have more experience with howas
Go look at backfire those guys give real info they purchase all there rifles so they want be bias... howa did not impress them.
I need to know your source for 300 PRC. I can't seem to find it anywhere.
Only thing i can say is backorder on swfa or optics planet
Trying to decide between these exact 2 rifles. Clearly my phone is smarter than I am.
Lol
Howa makes weathby actions and barrels
How about you do a review on the CVA Cascade compared to others
I wish but I don't have the extra money to buy one maybe in the future.
I have cascade 6.5C shoots lights out. Likes lighter weight ammo. Fit finish and feel beats tc compass, savage 110 and new 700s. For $ cascade is hell of a rifle. No experience with howa but I've been looking at one
@@alanlechleidner6951 I need to give one a try
Solid review, Bergara over priced with that cheapish stock
This guy wants to like the Howa trigger more but you can tell he likes the Bergara trigger more than he's saying
Lol its nice. Only thing i hate about the bergara trigger is disassemble and modification. In other regards its better
Does anyone even buy remingtonrifles anymore?
Yes
How can you be objective about a rifle with the attitude that you have shown at this time. You could have picked Kimber .
I think I gove reasons for my opinion based on build design and function
Seriously, you are judging rifles by how easy the firing pin can be removed? Tough on the credibility scale.
Lot more than that was spoken about.
The bergara will take a 700 trigger
Looked at the Howa and the Bergara both in 300 PRC. Comparatively speaking, the stock on the Bergara is, well, flimsy. That makes a difference in the hands of a big person like me. May not be a big deal to some, but for me, accuracy is predicated on feel just as much as sight. Thanks for your analysis B4B. You helped make up my mind with this.
Lol how the heck do you figure one screw is better than two pins lol.makes no sense at all.
It does when you go to take it apart or put it back together or have to clean it.
Pins move and the trigger isnt torqued down with pins.
@@Bullets4Bucks things with one screw tend to move to.
@@matthewkyle6939 it is machined to sit in a groove to prevent that. However, to each their own.
@@Bullets4Bucks I have a hs precision howa in 7mm rem mag. I like the three position trigger but hate the two stage thing. Prefer single stage. I ordered a bergara wilderness ridge in 300prc. Hope it's a shooter lol.
Howa all day long
Yup
@@Bullets4Bucks how much did they pay you ?
@@dfree159 zero
Just buy a tikka no worries.
I’d rather have the one that’s not made in Japan
DIRTYDEEDS20109- I wouldn't hold that against the gun,I bought a Weatherby Vanguard(which has the same action as the Howa)in 7mm-08 solely because it was priced very cheap and I have been surprised at how accurate it is and the fact that I've never had it jam or had a loading issue of any kind.
You allways choose howa no matter what bullshit
Nope
@@Bullets4Bucks what do you mean nope. litterly every video you have its allways howa who wins. Put en link here of one you havent voted howa i will belive you
This is a pretty bias review if I’ve ever seen one
How so? It seems anyone says anything is better than a brand someone likes they say its bias.
@@Bullets4Bucks ok for starters you had your mind clearly made up way before you made the video you picked out the low grade begara for the wilderness series you should have at least got the terrain to keep the real life prices around the same point then you basically read us the howa website and cherry picked from your opinions and feelings to portray as solid facts I’m surprised you have not tested a savage axis vs a browning x bolt speed lr and told us witch one you like more
@@dfree159 lol... yeah I totally picked that bergara to compare because I am rich and bored like that lol... not even close bro. Everything I said is based on my experience and observations. I bought the wilderness ridge as my second bergara for the barreled action to use in a Woox Chassis actually. The Bergara hmr I previously had was a lemon. Stop being so bias in your opinion of my video
@@Bullets4Bucks 47k views and 600 likes kinda seems like most folks wasn’t in agreement with the video maybe you should stick to making shorts
@@dfree159 maybe you should do something other than live through other ppl
There’s no comparison between the BERGARA and the howa! Howa is garbage! They aren’t even close to being in the same category for comparison!
Lol
Please stop referring firearms as "Weapons" it sounds bad and RUclips doesn't like it. Neither do gun bans.
Sounds like they already won... what happened to freedom of speech?
@@Bullets4Bucks not understand what you're saying. But using the term weapon just empowers the liberals and snowflakes. Trust me. It helps our cause to use proper terms. The term weapon is too scary for people and RUclips. Just trying to help you out. Great video btw.
@@bricharsstormsmeadowlakesk2653 it sounds like we are ones scared
@@Bullets4Bucks only fear is loss of rights & Freedoms. Fight as we may, everything is changing. Laws being made while hiding behind the pandemic. Mostly here in Canada mind you. But Biden's agenda is the same as my useless government. Sad for us all!
@@bricharsstormsmeadowlakesk2653 don't you think being afraid to say the word weapon means you already lost
I don't care for bergara.I shoot tikkas.I can say that howas suck! Not that accurate. Bergara is way better
Interesting
@@Bullets4Bucks never saw a howa that shot consistently.I have a tikka t3 hunter that shoots .5 to .65 groups..My tac a1 is a sub half moa gun.Also a tikka. I am sure you have heard of the t3x tac a1.Bergaras are also tac drivers.
@@timothygarrity5181 strange mine have all been decent
@@Bullets4Bucks what do they shoot on average?
I just haven't seen many videos where they shot consistently..I have seen people shoot them and they were right at a little over an inch.sometimes slightly less but not often.I don't think they have a guarantee but I could be wrong.
Now Bergara vs tikka
Ohhhh its coming
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