@@hoodrabbit3433 Not going to happen. Factory production has switched to the 3.4, not to mention you can't just install it in a truck that was never designed for it.
Wonder if back in the late 00's if there was a similar response when dozens of 5.7's failed in the first model year of the Tundra asking Toyota to fix that issue by installing the 5VZ.
You got that right. And correct. Turbos on freighters ARE NOT THE SAME as a passenger/pickup vehicles. As post said high vs low rpms under load. But also size mass in metals vs those in regular vehicles. Those small engines pulling that weight if used in towing or "truck" use will not pass 100,000 miles+ before a whole turbo overhaul. And any turbo is not cheap! Complete junk. Bring back simple iron block pushrod engines. Not that difficult to keep something realiable going.
I'm surprised how well their resale has held up, despite the drama. I figured the 22+ tundras would be crashing in price by now. If you have one, you might want to consider selling/trading sooner rather than later. I'm glad I didn't trade my '19 3.5 ecoboost f150 in for a new '23 tundra.
@@BocoGreenpeace yup, and working with their dealer network who is often the first point of contact owners have when they are in crisis about how to properly respond to concerns and complaints.
If this doesn’t wake Toyota up to update or redesign that 5.7 v-8 then I don’t know what will at first I was saying this is a Toyota v-6 hybrid it’s solid but I honestly believe this will be Toyotas pt cruiser man from the top to the bottom in a few short years nice job Toyota
@@johnfranktullo3463 I think they would detune the V35 before they would ever bring back an old V8 design. If it really isn't debris (I have serious doubts it is debris), then at some point they will have no choice but to either make mechanical changes to the engine design or simply put out a new ECU tune that reduces torque output at low RPM.
A lot of Tundra owners in the comments are saying everything is just fine to try to keep from going further upside down on their trucks. If you want to take the risk of spinning/seizing a main bearing while towing a heavy load, just be honest with yourself and family.
I'm sure some that have had zero trouble feel there is no reason to panic. They (we) are used to Toyotas that run forever and they are not all thinking about resale. The ones flipping out to get rid of them, they want the resale. We all deserve a reliable truck for the money they want us forking over. I would buy a 2500 before a 55-60k sr5 tundra. I don't have to worry about all the nonsense with the new tundra thankfully. I'm still rocking the 5.7 in my 17 TRD Pro.
Between the dishonesty from Toyota and their price gouging on the new Tacoma I would take my business elsewhere. I was dead set on a new 2024 Tacoma but not any more. Some of the stuff that these auto manufacturers think they can get away with is wild.
Toyota lost me as a customer. As a decades long Toyota loyalist, I traded my Tundra in on a new Nissan frontier for its NA V6, mechanical simplicity, and long track record of reliability. I left Toyota bc of their crappy turbo truck engines, insane pricing, insane dealer markups, hollow build quality and reliability issues on newer models, and lastly - the cartoonish bro-dozer styling of the new Toyota trucks.
@@planoman0935It’s a matter of taste. I can’t stand the overwrought, hyper-masculine, cartoonish bro-dozer styling of Toyota’s new trucks. In comparison the new Frontier is conservatively styled with an appropriate level of daily workhorse ruggedness baked into the design. It says “truck” without screaming alpha-bro. For me, that rings the bell.
Your state LEMON LAWS force them to buy it back with defects that can’t be fixed in a certain timeframe. My 2022 Tundra Platinum they bought back after a 1.5 years of driving for 100% of what I paid. Texas!
Yes but as you mention Lemon Laws only come into effect if YOU experience the defect within a set timeframe. Loss of resale value because of other peoples' problems would not be covered, and your chances of this happening to you within the statute of limitations is slim.
Folks, this recall is having an immediate and lasting effect on the value of these trucks. If you were a dealer and knew about these growing problems would you want to take it in on trade? Probably not. A used Tundra simply won’t sell (for obvious reasons). This is on Toyota to fix.
Even before the recall, word was out and it was damaging resale. On top of that, I've seen many dealers offering incentives on new Tundras, only doing more damage to those that paid above MSRP for one just a couple years ago.
I don't believe for one second that Toyota is being honest about the engine issue. If it is left over machine debris floating around the engine, it would damage more then just the main bearings. The oil flow would carry the ( debris) all throughout the engine. The rod beaings and the camshaft bores would also be damaged. The engineers screwed up here and in typical Toyota corporate BS they try to downplay the issue. Bad clearance that is tight, crankshaft or block twisting, light throttle detonation???? It could be anyone. For sure it is NOT debris only causing the problem. After millions of engines TOYOTA has built? All of a sudden two engine plants forgot to do a final cleaning before assembling? It is a engine design flaw, plane and simple.
The Hyundai Theta ii motors had this. The oil wasn't circulating well enough on certain cylinders and the bearing eventually seized. Also there was terrible blowby and oil burning, probably from poor piston ring tolerance. Billions spent on dead engines and lawsuits.
@@MattPSU02 I believe they had phenolic pistons that would fail by shedding chunks that clogged oil ports. In other words the engine wear produced the debris. I wouldn't doubt this is a similar problem. Some of these are 3 yrs old and had several oil changes. Manufacturing debris, my ass.
@@MattPSU02 The oil rings would nearly close with carbon build up. This would caused blow by, oil consumption and detonation. 7,500 mile oil change recommendation with a blend oil. After a replacement warranty engine was installed, 3,750 oil change recommendation. Do we need to be engineers here? You are telling me that if you change your oil more often, that engine will last longer? Who would have ever guessed?🙄
High torque output at low RPM can be very stressful on main bearings.The EcoDiesel in the Ram 1500 often had main bearing failures due to insufficient oiling due to the 8-speed keeping engine RPM very low -- so low that the oil pump couldn't supply enough oil to prevent wear and tear. Other yt channels already highlighted the SAE paper Toyota engineers put out on designing this engine and the obvious concerns they held about the ability of the main bearings to handle the load. They made changes during the development process but it seems that it wasn't enough and that even tiny variations inherent in the manufacturing process is enough to result in eventual failure. The engine makes a ton of torque at low RPM and the oiling system may not be adequate in all scenarios.
@@hochhaulWow. This is antithetical to everything Toyota stood for, being overbuilt that is. Extremely sad to see. Where do you get this information from? It's so fascinating.
That is why the hybrid truck isn't recalled , because you can limp it to the side of the road on electric power . The engines are still contaminated with metal.
@@toddw.9845 Correct. Although I still have a lot of doubt about their explanation for all the engine failures. Blaming it on debris is a strategy used by some auto manufacturers so they don't have to specify an engineering flaw in an engine. That way they can't be sued year later for tens of thousands of engine failures that were excluded from the "recall". If they identify a design issue in a recall, they basically put a target on their back if disgruntled owners form a class action lawsuit.
@@toddw.9845 is there some sort of clutch between the engine and the electric motor? If not, I would think that if the engine seizes your electric motor isn’t going to be able to spin the transmission to limp the truck off the road
I think everyone is not understanding what can happen here. Most likely, when the "loss of power" happens, the truck will not simply roll to a stop. The engine can lock up, while the transmissions torque converter is in lock up mode. The drive tires can also lock up skidding the truck down the road. I think the hybrid version, can disconnect the engine with the synergy system and keep the truck moving.
@@Captndarty Yes, there is a clutch between the engine and the electric motor in the hybrid Tundra and the truck will run in electric only mode for short distances with the engine not running. Mine does this in normal driving in city traffic between stop lights.
So you're saying every single one of the new gen Tundras will have their engines blow? what's your best guess at the average mileage this fundamental design flaw will hit critical mass?
I don’t believe this is machining debris, because debris would only be in a few engines if at all. This is a faulty block of some sort. The engine is being starved of oil or faulty manufacturing of bearings or assembly materials.
@@thomasmagnum5702very unlikely. Cleaning an engine from machining debris has been done for all engines since forever. But a new design having an inherit weakness is very common.
@@Lq32332 if true, what do you think is the benefit by saying one aspect or the other was the culprit? Do you think Toyota saying the bearing was incorrect for the application would have been any less detrimental when announcing a recall?
@@ALMX5DP You’re correct, but it just does not seam plausible that Toyota missed the debris cleaning step on 98K worth of engines. There is more to the story that maybe they don’t even know. Also, it seems odd that 24’s are failing as well, which makes little sense if they truly understand the issue. Only time will tell for sure, but I certainly feel for Toyota owners.
Feel bad for Tundra owners effected by this. Spend a fortune on the truck and everyday you drive it in the back of your mind you are wondering if today will be the day the engine fails.
Exactly my thoughts! You got metal particles in the engine and that should be near instant fail. And how is it you build 100,000 engines before noticing it? It's not debris folks. The real explanation is that assembly workers forgot to wear their hairnets.
They should’ve never bought it in the first place. But nooooo…. Everyone needs the newest shiniest thing. Greed. Let them deal with the trash truck they have.
I would be ok with the truck being used as a static display in my front yard but I’m not going to attempt to use it to get my boat to the county launch ramp 11 miles from my house and back. I really feel sorry for the Toyota Truck owners as well as Toyota, a company that built its reputation on reliability. The owners mostly are making payments on trucks they are scared to leave the subdivision in. An unreliable truck has little value and they on average have “invested” $65,000 in its purchase. Toyota is scared of the repair cost and how to fix it. What a quandary. As for resale the Car dealers don’t want 2022, 23 or 24 Tundras in trad or on their lot at all. All this bad press has overshadowed the engine and quality issues of the Tacoma which is almost as bad. This kind of reminds me of the 1970’s GM Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs with the diesel engines. Are you old enough to remember that fiasco? Is Toyota the new General Motors?
When Toyota announced abandonment of the old reliable V-8, I knew there would be trouble! I also believe abandoning the V-6 in Tacoma's and Forerunners will lead to similar issues.
Honestly, GM and Ford sell massive amounts of trucks every year regardless of whether or not there are reliability issues with Toyota's full-size truck.
@@jermainec2462 I'll take my "nothing burger" F150 recalls for a replacement windshield wiper motor or an inspection of the insulation on the wire loom for the e-brake ANYDAY compared to the new Tundra recalls. Admit it, Toyota is F'd here. After I finish my coffee, I'm gonna go out and start up one of my new F150 Coyote V8s and go for a little spin. 5 litre V8 Coyote for the win!
Trouble is Toyota hasn't been willing to say if the replacement engines will have durable main bearings. "Durable" means almost no detectable wear after 500,000 miles of being well maintained and not street raced or abusively driven.
If GM and Ford are currently replacing engines with manufacturing defects (with new crate engines no less), then Toyota with it s record high profits can afford to replace the engines in a low sales volume truck like the Tundra.
All Toyota has to do is to tell customers to bring these vehicles back in to their dealer for a full refund. They are doing more damage to their reputation by letting this drag out.
I agree Toyota gonna have to take the loss on this one to keep there reputation if not sales will drop out all companies makes mistakes this is Toyotas big oops
Well, it's not "machining debris," and dealers know it. It is a design flaw, and it will lead to many more motor failures. Meanwhile, the prices for Tundras, LXs, and soon the new GXs will tank.
The debris in the engine is gaslighting bullcrap. They say that because all the engine failures have chunks of bearing in the oil pan, and debris in the engine sounds better than the main bearings are too weak and the engine can’t handle the work load demanded of it.
I'm amazed when they supercharge a "normal" four of six cylinder engine, and are surprised when the engine does not have the same longevity! A forced induction engine should have beefier journals, blocks, cranks, rods and pistons if you want it to last!!!
I'll bet Nissan is kicking themselves for discontinuing the Titan now. They could have capitalized on this one big time. My 2023 Titan XD has been flawless so far. Best truck I've ever owned, time will tell of course. Already more reliable than my 2019 F-150 when the cam phasers went out at 4,500 miles....
I own a 2014 Titan and it runs great. I'm looking to buy a 2024 before they sell out now. Plus they have a great warranty. 5 years 100k bumper to bumper
@@alderringer8816 Exactly. I'm not sure why they didn't sell better than they did. Awesome V8, great 9 speed transmission, quiet, good ride, extremely comfortable seats, great stereo, good back seat room. If I could complain about two things it would be the gas tank is too small (26 gal) and the backup camera resolution isn't great. Otherwise I love it. Hell even wireless apple carplay has worked perfectly.
@@Motorcycledad160 It didn't sell well because it was outdated before it hit the showroom. And that is because it was a rush job after their planned partnership with Ram fell apart. Glad you like yours, it is not a bad truck by any means.
@@plmn93 Interesting point you raise. I'm sincerely curious, what was outdated about it? I have a Pro-4X model and I've been very happy with the tech. It has crawl control, rear locker, brake torque traction control, an amazing transmission used in many Mercedes models that's shifts fantastically, a large infotainment screen, an engine with variable timing and overhead cams along with GDI, a power inverter, and on and on. What was outdated about it? Especially since it ran $5-$8k less than similar Fords/Chevys/Rams and obviously is being proven to be way more reliable than all 3 "American" brands. Ford leads with the most recalls in the industry, the Hemi has the notorious tick and lifter issue with the cams wearing down if you idle too much (both my dad and brother have this issue), and GM (being the best of the 3) is just GM. Known for their electrical problems and issues with the cylinder deactivation and burning oil on the 5.3. The Nissan 5.6 Endurance V8 and the Toyota V8's for the past 20 years are the best V8's ever made, hands down for reliability.
I just traded my 2022 Tundra Platinum before things got worse. I have had 6 recalls, headliner falling, driver seat not functioning properly and this engine recall…..sorry Toyota, you lost a customer.
Traded mine yesterday for a Chevrolet 2500. That Chevy dealer also owns a Toyota dealer and the finance guy said that since they are under the same umbrella, they will mot be able to sell it until the recall is fixed. I got top KBB dollar for the truck. The sales manager apparently didn’t realize he wouldn’t be able to sell it
Since it's a safety recall and they know the hybrid can pull off the road in limp mode it's lower priority for them but I think a hybrid recall will come eventually.
@@TheJoncicyeah you can go 500-1000 feet, choosing to delay the recall knowing the engine is 100% faulty (same production line) is just going to hurt brand reputation
Good video. One of my employees tried to trade in his 2022 Tundra for an F-150 and unfortunately the same thing happened to him they declined to make him an offer. So now he is stuck with a vehicle where the engine that could/will blow up and it's his only mode of transportation.
If that’s the case that would happen to every manufacturer you act like Toyota is the only one that has had situations like this happen . Chevy Ford Dodge of all been there.
even CarMax has stopped accepting Tundras.... my friend just tried to unload it. As soon as they punched in the VIN#, they were like "thanks, but no thanks... did you know that there's a serious recall on those engines?" (my friend pretended not to know) :(
@@scottcline2272 I had no problems with the Sequoia but it had a February 2023 build and could not find a 2024 Sequoia that I liked. So I purchased the 2024 4Runner. We will see next year.
I love how all these fan boy Toyota lovers on these channels are sugar coating this issue. It’s not just the engines. It’s the whole truck. Issue after issue. My truck has had tons of problems. Just the other day my entire side mirror/camera just fell completely off driving down the interstate. Dealer wanted 2k to fix it under warranty. Back to Ford I go.
Not to knock people’s taste in vehicles….but even without these major failures, the new Tundra/Sequoia are still huge disappointments when it comes to design and assembly quality. It’s cheap and features disappointing build quality in ways that are very apparent in a very short test drive if not a quick walk around. It’s clear that many elements of design, final testing, and production planning were disrupted by Covid lockdowns. Despite all of these obvious flaws, the Toyota faithful still bought it. They had to have thought it would at least be reliable and offer decent resale value to overcome its glaringly obvious design and quality issues. Without the traditional Toyota reliability, the new Tundra and Sequoia are complete dogs. The Tundra is worst in class now that the Titan is gone. The Sequoia was 4th best the day it came out.
An engine with metallic debris inside.....it can't run 5-10 minutes before destroing itself. This metallic debris BS it's a line to cover cheap parts or a major design flaw
As an Engineer, oil changes at 5000 miles, use 5W-20 oil, oil analysis - samples to the lab. If your oil analysis shows no wear metal contamination - don't worry about it. Without data, you are flying blind and you should be worried.
Definitely not a bad idea for an OA if you are taking a roadtrip somewhere this summer. Not seeing any increased heavy metal content would definitely put my mind at ease when I am a thousand miles from home.
@@artemusburton4824 check around your local area for businesses that do such a service, but the most nationally recognized place is Blackstone Labs. They'll send you a little bottle for sample collection and you send it back with some general information on your vehicle and oil. Couple of weeks later you'll get a printout of results with all pertinent levels/concentrations along with a small narrative of what some of it means.
The 5.7 wasn’t broke, but between the government and the whiz kids here we are. All this drama for little if any mileage improvement and maybe some environmental improvements which we’ll…
@@imzjustplayinI granted have a small sample size still I have not yet seen a tundra hybrid yield 23 mpg. In one instance I spoke with an owner I trust who was not beating my 5.7 by more than 1-2 mpg. He is disappointed of course and was told a software update may fix it??? The other issue that hurts the hybrid is weight batteries are heavy at minimum your lugging 400 pounds more weight. This is all about pollution mandates not cost or mileage. Now the merits of that are up to the individual. But huge mileage improvements have not thus far shown themselves in any copies I have seen. Certainly not measurably enough to warrant the fufu. I want the truck and Toyota to succeed, I will need a new truck soon but I have kept what I have longer than normal as this stuff just isn’t working.
Personally I don't think it has anything to do with debris in the engine. I think it's an engineering Defect and They're using machining debris as an excuse.
Had the same issue at GM , had a warranty part that was back ordered for months , GM wouldn't take the truck in a trade in either , offered me a third of what i paided six months previously at the same dealership !! All crooks!!!
I don’t think it metal or debris in the engine am having hard time believing that I think it’s the twin turbos and not beefing up the bottom end enough
@@andrewtamkin2511 That would make more sense to me. I've only had one engine fail that I've built and it happened within about two hours of the initial start. Didn't get the oil pick up clean
Phew Im glad I did research I was looking around for a new Tundra. Never owned a Toyota but I did not expect this from them. I hope the owners find resolution quick.
Long time Toyota owner - 2 Tacomas, 1 Corolla, 2 Highlanders every one of them "bulletproof" Now I'm watching the company I have relied on for many years, fall apart. I'm stunned. Will they be able to get out from underneath their problems. My latest Highlander is a 2021 and that will be my last Highlander because I'm not going to buy one with a turbo 4 cyl engine.- what a joke
Absolutely the same. 2007 Camry oil burner but still stroking at 250k. Bought a used 2019 tundra last July with 42k miles, and I’ll keep it for the duration, and a 2021 Highlander because it had the dependable v6 for the wife. I’d say we are set to make it through this messy spot in Toyotas timeline. It’s certainly a shame…
Does anyone remember the Toyota engine sludge recall where they tried to blame owners? I remember this very well because I was affected by it. They said it was owners not changing oil regularly when in fact it was a design flaw in certain engines.
After 3 years the Toyota engineers must know precisely what is causing the main bearing stress/overheating/failure issue and must be aware of a fix. If they truly aren't aware of a fix, then they should inform Toyota senior management and then senior management would have a moral obligation to inform current owners, future prospective owners and the public.
Been saying it forever. Toyota don't know how to build turbo trucks. Should have gotten one of the domestics. No way it's what they claim the issue is as it spans different plants. It's a design defect. Hybrid will be included and taco will have issues next.
Toyota must sack Toyota management Toyota Plano, stop production of the Tundra entirely and buy back all the cars involved and compensate the owners. The imago of Toyota is completly in ruins after several fraud cases and nowcthe Tundra didaster.
Toyota gets rid of CEO that says this isn't the time for EV's, lets Americans design and engineer their trucks, and then moves manufacturing to Mexico. What could go wrong?
This is a Lexus engine, so it’s almost certainly a Japanese design. We do know the engines coming out of the factory over there are having the same problem. And speaking of EVs: Toyota’s first EV was pulled from the market for months because the wheels were literally falling off. At least that’s what Toyota claims, but I’d bet there were massive problems with the powertrain or battery and Toyota didn’t want to admit it.
Just wait until the new Tacomas start showing the same issues. Made in Mehico now… Toyota has gone downhill recently. They deserve it for being greedy.
I hate to say I told you so when I said Toyota has made a big mistake in dropping that magnificent 5.7 Iforce V8 for a twin turbo v6. My words in 2021 have turned out to hold true.
Sitting here smiling after seeing so many turbocharged truck owners talk down on my 5.0 F150. I should've kept my 2016 5.0, but I'll definitely be keeping my 22 5.0
I traded in my 2023 Sequoia the day (5/30) the recall was announced and purchased a 2024 4Runner. I will wait until late next year to see if I get another Sequoia.
My Tundra is leased and per the docs I am required to have all open recalls resolved before they will take it back. I wonder what would happen if this is still open when I go to hand them the keys 🤔
I've been trying to tell people for decades that Toyota superiority is a myth. For every Toyota with 500k on the clock there are ten Fords with 500k on the clock. There is nothing special about a Japanese truck. We went from bodies that were rusted by 25k miles in the 1980s to frames that folded like a lawn chair in the 1990s to engines that lost crank shafts and head gaskets in the 2000s to the modern era with plastic beds that crack under load, engines that fail, turbos that blow, and electrical nightmares galore. How in the world did Toyota ever get the reputation they have? The PR team must have been brilliant.
I will tell you how to fix this! Vote carefully come November 2024! The current administration is pushing electric cars and trucks and the EPA is tightening emission regulations. General motors is already putting turbo four cylinders in their full-size trucks, ram is using a twin turbo, in-line six to replace the hemi V8, so it is all government regulations to blame for all of this. Emissions, regulations, and fuel economy standards are causing the automobile manufacturers to use smaller engines and different technologies to meet these new standards.
Some bean counter sitting in a windowlless office decided Toyota could increase profits by using shop air and not flushing the blocks after the machining process.
I was shopping to buy a hard-to find 4-door with 6.5' bed earlier this year and couldn't find one any dealer would discount. I decided to hold-on to my 2006 Gen-1 Tundra and do 3K in tires and maintenance repairs. About 2 weeks ago the sales guys started blowing my phone up, wanting me back to test-drive...
My neighbor is the biggest Toyota family I know - more than even myself. They own a 4Runner TRD pro, three newer Tacomas, and traded their mint 4runner limited for a new TRD pro tundra last month. I’m over here glad I’m at 222,750 miles on my 2008 5.7L sequoia. Fwew.
It’s so sad to see a “premium” auto manufacturer sink to such a low level. My first car was a 72 Corolla with a 1.2 L engine that ran forever. Now it is a vehicle that I wouldn’t touch with a 10 ft pole. They even screwed up their approach to the electric vehicle sector. So sad.
To those who are counting on Toyota to rebuild their engines. Really? The most complex job a dealer does these days is oil and filter change and may be new wiper blades. You really think they have the skills to tear down a complex engine such as it is and put it back together correctly? I don't think they have seen what is below the air cleaner.
This is complete nonsense. The techs that change your oil are not the same guys who would be performing the engine rebuild. Most Toyota dealerships will have several master techs that are very capable of performing this job. Sure this will be a big job but these definitely won't be the first engines they've rebuilt.
Funny thing is back in 2011+ when Jeep was producing the Pentastar they had a similar issue where the engines had sand left in them from the manufacturing process causing heater core and engine failures. Now recently they were hit with a class action lawsuit for the Pentastar tick. There's not a good engine out there anymore. When I went to test drive a 2024 GMC Sierra, they couldn't get it to start and it had an engine malfunction warning with 7 miles on the ODO. Turns out the engine was bad right from the factory. Can't make this crap up anymore.
@@cstgx 3.0 Duramax is questionable. My Co-worker has had nothing but issues start around 4k miles with his. Oil issues, crank issues, injector failures, a recent turbo failure, the list goes on. Been in the shop more often than not sadly.
Toyota, go back to normally aspirated V8 in the Tundra and normally aspirated motors in the Tacoma. These turbo motors are not keeping with the reliability that Toyota owners require.
I never buy a Japanese vehicle not built in Japan been there done that and i lived in Japan for a few years the quality out of Japan in my opinion is way better then the vehicles made in the US..Ive owned a few US toyotas and never again...just my opinion
Let the Toyota fanboys reap what they have sown for the past 15 years. Toyota moved into the next century, and it smacked them in the face. Looks like all the reasons to buy a toyota have gone out the window.
The "debris" is just to buy time. It is going to affect all. The fact that a hybrid power source can push a spun main bearing engine so don't worry yet is laughable. Something is wrong with that bottom end design. Clamping force variation because of the different expansion rates of the main caps as they use an all in one girdled together main caps unit. Although it could be an oiling issue, they have known how to supply oil to a crank assm for 100 yrs, but this aluminum block one piece caps and girdle design is the glaring unknown so I place my bet there. I am more upset that Toyota drank the small engine turbo Kool-aid period. Heavy vehicle meant to tow/haul and small boosted turbo engines = better specs empty for EPA, worse or same loaded if lucky, and a throw away vehicle before some are even paid for, VS 100, 200, 300k mile or more vehicles that you have to try and kill. But with that said, and regardless of how painful this is going to be. Toyota will fix it, and make it right in the end, but it will take time so that is little help now. I am talking about TOYOTA, not their franchise dealers, some will be informed and do the right thing. Unfortunately others will only use what they know at any given time to try and screw you out of money, or the value of your vehicle. So stay informed with real information.
It’s crazy that Toyota produced arguably one of the greatest twin turbo 6 cylinder engines ever 30+ years ago and now delivered an absolute turd today.
They are all data driven. This going to fall on the engineering team that made the issue. That might be manufacturing or might be design. Toyota wants their suppliers to be open, upfront, and honest with any problems. do not cover them up. Would be nice if they extended that same practice to how they treat customers
The Hybrid engines will eventually be affected by this issue. It will take longer to develop because assist from the Hybrid system. There is not as much load put on the gas portion of the engine because of the torque assist from the electric motor.
I'm soo mad at Toyota!! I called them 2x about giving me a rental, I don't want to drive my truck and get into a accident, they keep telling me to call the dealership to see if they can give me a loaner, I call the dealership and the service manager is never available. And to top it off I have a roadtrip coming up and have defective truck and have to pay for a rental out of my own pocket!! A service advisor told me that Toyota hasn't announced a" don't drive your truck" so I'm effing screwed!! Do something Toyota for customers!!
Document 5 on NHTSA website for recall contains information on rental reimbursement if owners don't feel safe driving their truck. Print out and take to dealer.
Good on you for reporting this issue tundra owners are facing with dealers not interested in their vehicles. Toyota really needs to step up on how they handle this fix and build some confidence back into the brand and specifically the Tundra.
As an owner of one of these trucks, im extremely disappointed. All i can do now is wait and hope the truck stays in one piece. I agree with you Tim. I do feel like its a ticking time bomb. Smh
I’m curious what comes of this. This seems more like an oil system issue or inherent design flaw than “manufacturing debris”. If it’s manufacturing debris, then a failure would likely happen within the first 5-10k miles. Yet there’s owners with failures over 40k miles.
If a private buyer won't buy it, what makes you think a dealer will? In the end, they need to sell it to a future customer. Your best recourse is getting the vehicle declared a lemon but it has to have a problem and you need to give the mfg. a chance to fix it and fix it multiple times.
Toyota should do the right thing and do a buyback on all these trucks because we don’t know if today it’s gonna stop working cause an accident calls deaths Toyota should buy all these trucks back
Lol, no one wants them new, why would the unfortunate owners think anyone including dealers would want them. Owners made a Huge mistake buying them in the first place!!!
Same here! Traded on Tuesday the recall was announced on Thursday!!! Whew! Got a great deal btw. Even though my tundra isn’t included in the recall … yet… as it was a trd pro/hybrid.
Toyota should do a buyback.
They just might.
Or just offer a 5.7 replacement
@@hoodrabbit3433 5.7 at the least.
@@hoodrabbit3433 Not going to happen. Factory production has switched to the 3.4, not to mention you can't just install it in a truck that was never designed for it.
Buyback is not going to happen.
The fix should be installing the old 5.7L V8
Wonder if back in the late 00's if there was a similar response when dozens of 5.7's failed in the first model year of the Tundra asking Toyota to fix that issue by installing the 5VZ.
Yeah but the EPA and their unrealistic demands on emissions won't let them. They are the reason why we have smaller engines with turbos.
@@LucasLeCompteMusicBiden administration just came out with 60mpg by 2031. The V8 is history.
@@Tld6061 lol the only way to make that number is to have small diesel hybrids, which won't happen because DED systems are trash
@@Tld6061 Biden won't make it to 2031 - hopefully that law won't, either.
Most Toyota truck buyers didn’t want a turbo engine and Toyota didn’t even give us an option for a V8. So Toyota can go kick rocks.
The turbo isn’t the problem. Heavy trucks and locomotives having been using turbos for decades, without issue.
You got that right. And correct. Turbos on freighters ARE NOT THE SAME as a passenger/pickup vehicles. As post said high vs low rpms under load. But also size mass in metals vs those in regular vehicles. Those small engines pulling that weight if used in towing or "truck" use will not pass 100,000 miles+ before a whole turbo overhaul. And any turbo is not cheap! Complete junk. Bring back simple iron block pushrod engines. Not that difficult to keep something realiable going.
@jeanclaude7018 right? Good luck for their lots to stay full of vehicles too. Ppl that know aint touchin it.
@@mobius-1503Ford 7.3 Godzilla is your answer!
Why not diesel?
Imagine having a Toyota that nobody wants. Never thought we would see this day.
I saw this coming years ago they have been overrated for years. I use to drink the kool aid as well.
Ya, and the Toyota that nobody wants costs $55,000!
Yup upside down world, Covid dividend. Nothing works any more,
I'm surprised how well their resale has held up, despite the drama. I figured the 22+ tundras would be crashing in price by now. If you have one, you might want to consider selling/trading sooner rather than later.
I'm glad I didn't trade my '19 3.5 ecoboost f150 in for a new '23 tundra.
yet here we are
Looks like Toyota not only has to address the engine issue but the damage to their reputation.
Yeah their reputation will be tarnished, but how they respond to this mess will definitely impact how severe it will be.
And it's a bad one now
@@ALMX5DP
Agreed. If they go above and beyond, and they should for grief current owners are experiencing, it could bolster their reputation.
@@BocoGreenpeace yup, and working with their dealer network who is often the first point of contact owners have when they are in crisis about how to properly respond to concerns and complaints.
@@ALMX5DP
One more thing: Toyota may need to act really fast as a class action suit may be brewing.
It's not debris in the engine. The engine is fundamentally flawed.
Yes, it seems some of the main bearing oiling system is inadequate.
If this doesn’t wake Toyota up to update or redesign that 5.7 v-8 then I don’t know what will at first I was saying this is a Toyota v-6 hybrid it’s solid but I honestly believe this will be Toyotas pt cruiser man from the top to the bottom in a few short years nice job Toyota
@@johnfranktullo3463 the problem is the church of global warming a.k.a. the EPA would not allow them to use a V8 even if they wanted to.
@@johnfranktullo3463 I think they would detune the V35 before they would ever bring back an old V8 design. If it really isn't debris (I have serious doubts it is debris), then at some point they will have no choice but to either make mechanical changes to the engine design or simply put out a new ECU tune that reduces torque output at low RPM.
Design flaw!!!! Lemons
A lot of Tundra owners in the comments are saying everything is just fine to try to keep from going further upside down on their trucks. If you want to take the risk of spinning/seizing a main bearing while towing a heavy load, just be honest with yourself and family.
I'm sure some that have had zero trouble feel there is no reason to panic. They (we) are used to Toyotas that run forever and they are not all thinking about resale. The ones flipping out to get rid of them, they want the resale. We all deserve a reliable truck for the money they want us forking over. I would buy a 2500 before a 55-60k sr5 tundra. I don't have to worry about all the nonsense with the new tundra thankfully. I'm still rocking the 5.7 in my 17 TRD Pro.
What a 🤡
And it's not debris Toyota dropped the ball on this one it's a bad design engine
A fool and his money.....spend 80 grand for a rolling time bomb that the DEALER won't touch ffs.
Between the dishonesty from Toyota and their price gouging on the new Tacoma I would take my business elsewhere. I was dead set on a new 2024 Tacoma but not any more. Some of the stuff that these auto manufacturers think they can get away with is wild.
Toyota lost me as a customer. As a decades long Toyota loyalist, I traded my Tundra in on a new Nissan frontier for its NA V6, mechanical simplicity, and long track record of reliability.
I left Toyota bc of their crappy turbo truck engines, insane pricing, insane dealer markups, hollow build quality and reliability issues on newer models, and lastly - the cartoonish bro-dozer styling of the new Toyota trucks.
I have the Titan, and it's an excellent truck. Plus they have a 5 year 100k warranty. No other truck maker has that.
Happy for your but no way in hell your Frontier looks better than my Tacoma! Don’t lose your mind!
Surprisingly his Frontier's powertrain will last longer than Toyotas turbo trucks. Including yours!
@@planoman0935 Frontier looks way better; nice change from the exaggerated Toyota styling
@@planoman0935It’s a matter of taste. I can’t stand the overwrought, hyper-masculine, cartoonish bro-dozer styling of Toyota’s new trucks. In comparison the new Frontier is conservatively styled with an appropriate level of daily workhorse ruggedness baked into the design. It says “truck” without screaming alpha-bro. For me, that rings the bell.
Your state LEMON LAWS force them to buy it back with defects that can’t be fixed in a certain timeframe. My 2022 Tundra Platinum they bought back after a 1.5 years of driving for 100% of what I paid. Texas!
That’s awesome. Texas isn’t exactly known for its consumer protection laws.
Yes but as you mention Lemon Laws only come into effect if YOU experience the defect within a set timeframe. Loss of resale value because of other peoples' problems would not be covered, and your chances of this happening to you within the statute of limitations is slim.
Yeah right
Folks, this recall is having an immediate and lasting effect on the value of these trucks. If you were a dealer and knew about these growing problems would you want to take it in on trade? Probably not. A used Tundra simply won’t sell (for obvious reasons). This is on Toyota to fix.
Even before the recall, word was out and it was damaging resale. On top of that, I've seen many dealers offering incentives on new Tundras, only doing more damage to those that paid above MSRP for one just a couple years ago.
I don't believe for one second that Toyota is being honest about the engine issue. If it is left over machine debris floating around the engine, it would damage more then just the main bearings. The oil flow would carry the ( debris) all throughout the engine. The rod beaings and the camshaft bores would also be damaged.
The engineers screwed up here and in typical Toyota corporate BS they try to downplay the issue. Bad clearance that is tight, crankshaft or block twisting, light throttle detonation???? It could be anyone. For sure it is NOT debris only causing the problem. After millions of engines TOYOTA has built? All of a sudden two engine plants forgot to do a final cleaning before assembling? It is a engine design flaw, plane and simple.
You’re exactly right. Unfortunately most people don’t understand this and will believe it’s a simple problem and not a engineering problem
The Hyundai Theta ii motors had this. The oil wasn't circulating well enough on certain cylinders and the bearing eventually seized. Also there was terrible blowby and oil burning, probably from poor piston ring tolerance. Billions spent on dead engines and lawsuits.
@@MattPSU02 I believe they had phenolic pistons that would fail by shedding chunks that clogged oil ports. In other words the engine wear produced the debris. I wouldn't doubt this is a similar problem. Some of these are 3 yrs old and had several oil changes. Manufacturing debris, my ass.
@@MattPSU02
The oil rings would nearly close with carbon build up. This would caused blow by, oil consumption and detonation.
7,500 mile oil change recommendation with a blend oil. After a replacement warranty engine was installed, 3,750 oil change recommendation. Do we need to be engineers here? You are telling me that if you change your oil more often, that engine will last longer? Who would have ever guessed?🙄
So basically yo really don't know 👍
Machine debris from 3 or more locations? more likely design failure
Bigger issues, you are right
High torque output at low RPM can be very stressful on main bearings.The EcoDiesel in the Ram 1500 often had main bearing failures due to insufficient oiling due to the 8-speed keeping engine RPM very low -- so low that the oil pump couldn't supply enough oil to prevent wear and tear. Other yt channels already highlighted the SAE paper Toyota engineers put out on designing this engine and the obvious concerns they held about the ability of the main bearings to handle the load. They made changes during the development process but it seems that it wasn't enough and that even tiny variations inherent in the manufacturing process is enough to result in eventual failure. The engine makes a ton of torque at low RPM and the oiling system may not be adequate in all scenarios.
or a faulty production line process of clearing debris for all factories.
Machine debris across 3 years spanning 2 continents😂
@@hochhaulWow. This is antithetical to everything Toyota stood for, being overbuilt that is. Extremely sad to see. Where do you get this information from? It's so fascinating.
Why is the concept of a "SAFETY Recall" difficult to understand? If the truck stops in the middle of a freeway, that would be unsafe.
That is why the hybrid truck isn't recalled , because you can limp it to the side of the road on electric power . The engines are still contaminated with metal.
@@toddw.9845 Correct. Although I still have a lot of doubt about their explanation for all the engine failures. Blaming it on debris is a strategy used by some auto manufacturers so they don't have to specify an engineering flaw in an engine. That way they can't be sued year later for tens of thousands of engine failures that were excluded from the "recall". If they identify a design issue in a recall, they basically put a target on their back if disgruntled owners form a class action lawsuit.
@@toddw.9845 is there some sort of clutch between the engine and the electric motor? If not, I would think that if the engine seizes your electric motor isn’t going to be able to spin the transmission to limp the truck off the road
I think everyone is not understanding what can happen here. Most likely, when the "loss of power" happens, the truck will not simply roll to a stop. The engine can lock up, while the transmissions torque converter is in lock up mode. The drive tires can also lock up skidding the truck down the road. I think the hybrid version, can disconnect the engine with the synergy system and keep the truck moving.
@@Captndarty Yes, there is a clutch between the engine and the electric motor in the hybrid Tundra and the truck will run in electric only mode for short distances with the engine not running. Mine does this in normal driving in city traffic between stop lights.
It's not a debris issue. This is a defective engine design.
So you're saying every single one of the new gen Tundras will have their engines blow? what's your best guess at the average mileage this fundamental design flaw will hit critical mass?
They use this engine in other vehicle without issues though.
Almost 34k miles and zero powertrain issues. Sr5 4x4 mix of city/highway/towing.
If that's the case then it will keep happening with the replaced ones. Time will tell buddy
@@DonGantar34 k miles aint nothing though but it may be wear it was built so we will see they all may not blow up Toyota better hope so
I don’t believe this is machining debris, because debris would only be in a few engines if at all. This is a faulty block of some sort. The engine is being starved of oil or faulty manufacturing of bearings or assembly materials.
people are saying its the new design, bearing cradle and frt crank bearing is encapsulted generating excess heat.
@@thomasmagnum5702very unlikely. Cleaning an engine from machining debris has been done for all engines since forever. But a new design having an inherit weakness is very common.
@@Lq32332 if true, what do you think is the benefit by saying one aspect or the other was the culprit? Do you think Toyota saying the bearing was incorrect for the application would have been any less detrimental when announcing a recall?
@@ALMX5DP You’re correct, but it just does not seam plausible that Toyota missed the debris cleaning step on 98K worth of engines. There is more to the story that maybe they don’t even know. Also, it seems odd that 24’s are failing as well, which makes little sense if they truly understand the issue. Only time will tell for sure, but I certainly feel for Toyota owners.
@@ALMX5DP The benefit is minimizing impact to their reputation, which is the only significant advantage they have over the competition.
Wow....Toyota and other dealers know how bad this issue is...
You're giving dealers too much credit. A lot of them know less about the cars than the people buying them.
Feel bad for Tundra owners effected by this. Spend a fortune on the truck and everyday you drive it in the back of your mind you are wondering if today will be the day the engine fails.
Exactly my thoughts! You got metal particles in the engine and that should be near instant fail. And how is it you build 100,000 engines before noticing it? It's not debris folks. The real explanation is that assembly workers forgot to wear their hairnets.
They should’ve never bought it in the first place. But nooooo…. Everyone needs the newest shiniest thing. Greed. Let them deal with the trash truck they have.
I would be ok with the truck being used as a static display in my front yard but I’m not going to attempt to use it to get my boat to the county launch ramp 11 miles from my house and back. I really feel sorry for the Toyota Truck owners as well as Toyota, a company that built its reputation on reliability. The owners mostly are making payments on trucks they are scared to leave the subdivision in. An unreliable truck has little value and they on average have “invested” $65,000 in its purchase. Toyota is scared of the repair cost and how to fix it. What a quandary. As for resale the Car dealers don’t want 2022, 23 or 24 Tundras in trad or on their lot at all. All this bad press has overshadowed the engine and quality issues of the Tacoma which is almost as bad. This kind of reminds me of the 1970’s GM Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs with the diesel engines. Are you old enough to remember that fiasco? Is Toyota the new General Motors?
@@WesternRAMbitter much lol, try hiding it better
Exactly
When Toyota announced abandonment of the old reliable V-8, I knew there would be trouble! I also believe abandoning the V-6 in Tacoma's and Forerunners will lead to similar issues.
Government really is good at f*cking thing up!!!
Chevy and Ford will sell a lot of trucks this year. Toyota really messed up their trucks.
The Canyon, Chevy ZR2, Ranger and especially the Nissan Frontier are licking their Chops 🍖
Honestly, GM and Ford sell massive amounts of trucks every year regardless of whether or not there are reliability issues with Toyota's full-size truck.
if you wanna have even more recalls, head down to your local GM Ford dealer 😂😂😂😂
@@jermainec2462 I'll take my "nothing burger" F150 recalls for a replacement windshield wiper motor or an inspection of the insulation on the wire loom for the e-brake ANYDAY compared to the new Tundra recalls. Admit it, Toyota is F'd here. After I finish my coffee, I'm gonna go out and start up one of my new F150 Coyote V8s and go for a little spin. 5 litre V8 Coyote for the win!
If the Tundra went away completely Chevy, Ford, and Ram would barely notice. That's how big of a gulf there is between the big 3 and the Tundra.
The fix is a new engine and nobody wants to admit it. Nightmare situation.
Trouble is Toyota hasn't been willing to say if the replacement engines will have durable main bearings. "Durable" means almost no detectable wear after 500,000 miles of being well maintained and not street raced or abusively driven.
If GM and Ford are currently replacing engines with manufacturing defects (with new crate engines no less), then Toyota with it s record high profits can afford to replace the engines in a low sales volume truck like the Tundra.
It needs a v8
Exactly
Yep gonna cost Toyota billions if they take care of the problem right there reputation on the line
All Toyota has to do is to tell customers to bring these vehicles back in to their dealer for a full refund. They are doing more damage to their reputation by letting this drag out.
I agree Toyota gonna have to take the loss on this one to keep there reputation if not sales will drop out all companies makes mistakes this is Toyotas big oops
100%
Well, it's not "machining debris," and dealers know it. It is a design flaw, and it will lead to many more motor failures. Meanwhile, the prices for Tundras, LXs, and soon the new GXs will tank.
The debris in the engine is gaslighting bullcrap. They say that because all the engine failures have chunks of bearing in the oil pan, and debris in the engine sounds better than the main bearings are too weak and the engine can’t handle the work load demanded of it.
I'm amazed when they supercharge a "normal" four of six cylinder engine, and are surprised when the engine does not have the same longevity! A forced induction engine should have beefier journals, blocks, cranks, rods and pistons if you want it to last!!!
Toyota also just hired a Lemon law case manager LOL.
I'll bet Nissan is kicking themselves for discontinuing the Titan now. They could have capitalized on this one big time. My 2023 Titan XD has been flawless so far. Best truck I've ever owned, time will tell of course. Already more reliable than my 2019 F-150 when the cam phasers went out at 4,500 miles....
I own a 2014 Titan and it runs great. I'm looking to buy a 2024 before they sell out now. Plus they have a great warranty. 5 years 100k bumper to bumper
@@alderringer8816 Exactly. I'm not sure why they didn't sell better than they did. Awesome V8, great 9 speed transmission, quiet, good ride, extremely comfortable seats, great stereo, good back seat room. If I could complain about two things it would be the gas tank is too small (26 gal) and the backup camera resolution isn't great. Otherwise I love it. Hell even wireless apple carplay has worked perfectly.
@@Motorcycledad160 It didn't sell well because it was outdated before it hit the showroom. And that is because it was a rush job after their planned partnership with Ram fell apart. Glad you like yours, it is not a bad truck by any means.
@@plmn93 Interesting point you raise. I'm sincerely curious, what was outdated about it? I have a Pro-4X model and I've been very happy with the tech. It has crawl control, rear locker, brake torque traction control, an amazing transmission used in many Mercedes models that's shifts fantastically, a large infotainment screen, an engine with variable timing and overhead cams along with GDI, a power inverter, and on and on. What was outdated about it? Especially since it ran $5-$8k less than similar Fords/Chevys/Rams and obviously is being proven to be way more reliable than all 3 "American" brands. Ford leads with the most recalls in the industry, the Hemi has the notorious tick and lifter issue with the cams wearing down if you idle too much (both my dad and brother have this issue), and GM (being the best of the 3) is just GM. Known for their electrical problems and issues with the cylinder deactivation and burning oil on the 5.3. The Nissan 5.6 Endurance V8 and the Toyota V8's for the past 20 years are the best V8's ever made, hands down for reliability.
@@Motorcycledad160 You're absolutely right. That outdated stuff is just their talking points.
You can thank uncle sam for forcing companies to getting rid of the v8 because of emissions.
and you can thank Ronald Reagan for introducing CARB. Almost as if actors don't make good politicians.
@@lsswappedcessna Reagan was pretty popular and elected convincingly over any democratic rival
Nothing good has come from Biden in the WH if you disagree tell what good is there ?
Toyota replaced the rock-solid V6 (Highlander, Lexus sedans) for a 4 cyl turbo. Only gets 1 additional mpg. I’ll never own a turbo. Never.
I just traded my 2022 Tundra Platinum before things got worse. I have had 6 recalls, headliner falling, driver seat not functioning properly and this engine recall…..sorry Toyota, you lost a customer.
Traded mine yesterday for a Chevrolet 2500. That Chevy dealer also owns a Toyota dealer and the finance guy said that since they are under the same umbrella, they will mot be able to sell it until the recall is fixed. I got top KBB dollar for the truck. The sales manager apparently didn’t realize he wouldn’t be able to sell it
Sucks for them. They will be sitting on it for a while.
Toyota still neglecting to recall the hybrids for now is INSANE to me tbh, like holy shit
Since it's a safety recall and they know the hybrid can pull off the road in limp mode it's lower priority for them but I think a hybrid recall will come eventually.
@@TheJoncicyeah you can go 500-1000 feet, choosing to delay the recall knowing the engine is 100% faulty (same production line) is just going to hurt brand reputation
What’s wrong with the Hybirds?
@@Justacogg Same engine with the same problem. Hybrid just adds electric to it.
The hybrids have the same basic engine as the non-hybrids.
Good video. One of my employees tried to trade in his 2022 Tundra for an F-150 and unfortunately the same thing happened to him they declined to make him an offer. So now he is stuck with a vehicle where the engine that could/will blow up and it's his only mode of transportation.
I was a huge Toyota fan boy, but that is beginning to change. Very disappointed in Toyota. Can’t blame those dealers for saying no.
Same here such a let down.
If that’s the case that would happen to every manufacturer you act like Toyota is the only one that has had situations like this happen . Chevy Ford Dodge of all been there.
@@artemusburton4824 I held Toyota to a much higher standard than Chevy, Ford or Dodge. I would expect this from those brands.
Not worth the Toyota tax anymore.
Real Toyota fans still roll around in a previous model. Fancy bells and whistles don’t equate into long term reliability.
Did Toyota outsource their engines to Hyundai?
If they did they would not have this problem.
even CarMax has stopped accepting Tundras.... my friend just tried to unload it. As soon as they punched in the VIN#, they were like "thanks, but no thanks... did you know that there's a serious recall on those engines?" (my friend pretended not to know) :(
I traded in my 2023 Sequoia the day (5/30) that the recall was announced. Purchased a 2024 4Runner.
Smart choice.
Wow. You really showed them by buying another Toyota. By the way, I am/was a Toyota fanboy.
@@scottcline2272 I had no problems with the Sequoia but it had a February 2023 build and could not find a 2024 Sequoia that I liked. So I purchased the 2024 4Runner. We will see next year.
@@scottcline2272 5th gen 4Runner’s are as good as it gets.
I love how all these fan boy Toyota lovers on these channels are sugar coating this issue. It’s not just the engines. It’s the whole truck. Issue after issue. My truck has had tons of problems. Just the other day my entire side mirror/camera just fell completely off driving down the interstate. Dealer wanted 2k to fix it under warranty. Back to Ford I go.
Not to knock people’s taste in vehicles….but even without these major failures, the new Tundra/Sequoia are still huge disappointments when it comes to design and assembly quality. It’s cheap and features disappointing build quality in ways that are very apparent in a very short test drive if not a quick walk around. It’s clear that many elements of design, final testing, and production planning were disrupted by Covid lockdowns.
Despite all of these obvious flaws, the Toyota faithful still bought it. They had to have thought it would at least be reliable and offer decent resale value to overcome its glaringly obvious design and quality issues.
Without the traditional Toyota reliability, the new Tundra and Sequoia are complete dogs. The Tundra is worst in class now that the Titan is gone. The Sequoia was 4th best the day it came out.
An engine with metallic debris inside.....it can't run 5-10 minutes before destroing itself. This metallic debris BS it's a line to cover cheap parts or a major design flaw
Tundra has always been a long-term workhorse, with their naturally aspirated V8 engines. Bring them back!
As an Engineer, oil changes at 5000 miles, use 5W-20 oil, oil analysis - samples to the lab. If your oil analysis shows no wear metal contamination - don't worry about it. Without data, you are flying blind and you should be worried.
Definitely not a bad idea for an OA if you are taking a roadtrip somewhere this summer. Not seeing any increased heavy metal content would definitely put my mind at ease when I am a thousand miles from home.
Great idea
Where do you take your vehicle to get the oil analysis done?
@@artemusburton4824 you send a sample of your oil out to a lab, like Blackstone
@@artemusburton4824 check around your local area for businesses that do such a service, but the most nationally recognized place is Blackstone Labs. They'll send you a little bottle for sample collection and you send it back with some general information on your vehicle and oil. Couple of weeks later you'll get a printout of results with all pertinent levels/concentrations along with a small narrative of what some of it means.
The 5.7 wasn’t broke, but between the government and the whiz kids here we are. All this drama for little if any mileage improvement and maybe some environmental improvements which we’ll…
Going from 15mpg to 23mpg is a huge difference. The Hybrid Tundra would save $20K on fuel over 200K miles assuming the damn thing lasts that long.
I get 20mpg with my 2014 Tundra 5.7 V8 and love it. ❤️☃️👍👍
@@brucemacdonald4672 that's really awful. Talk about low expectations
@@brucemacdonald4672 I doubt you average that because the only way is if you do exclusively highway driving.
@@imzjustplayinI granted have a small sample size still I have not yet seen a tundra hybrid yield 23 mpg. In one instance I spoke with an owner I trust who was not beating my 5.7 by more than 1-2 mpg. He is disappointed of course and was told a software update may fix it??? The other issue that hurts the hybrid is weight batteries are heavy at minimum your lugging 400 pounds more weight. This is all about pollution mandates not cost or mileage. Now the merits of that are up to the individual. But huge mileage improvements have not thus far shown themselves in any copies I have seen. Certainly not measurably enough to warrant the fufu. I want the truck and Toyota to succeed, I will need a new truck soon but I have kept what I have longer than normal as this stuff just isn’t working.
Personally I don't think it has anything to do with debris in the engine. I think it's an engineering Defect and They're using machining debris as an excuse.
How many of these new Tundra owners complained that the 5.7 was outdated?
Love my 2014 Toyota Tundra 5.7 V8 . ❤️☃️👍👍
@@Travis12861 holding on to my 4Runner and just bought a 2024 Camry XSE V6 8 months ago while Toyota workout their issues.
Love my 5.7, might not have the power and torque of the TTV6 but more reliable and nothing a supercharger cant fix
I regret selling my 4 Runner to get a Crown. Then again it’s built in Japan and Toyota is pretty solid on the hybrids.
I've never found the 5.7 lacking for power, which is practically the only improvement the TTV6 offers.
This redesign is a failure, IMO.
Had the same issue at GM , had a warranty part that was back ordered for months , GM wouldn't take the truck in a trade in either , offered me a third of what i paided six months previously at the same dealership !!
All crooks!!!
Like I said, 22,23,24 will FOREVER loose their value period. No one wants these and mark my words, they will recall the 24 as soon as they sell them.
I don’t think it metal or debris in the engine am having hard time believing that I think it’s the twin turbos and not beefing up the bottom end enough
Seems like these engines are spinning bearings around 50k miles? Or am i off? I wonder why metal shavings take that long to break the engine?
they are spinning bearings from 500 miles to 7500 and so on. I think its just a time bomb.
@@andrewtamkin2511 That would make more sense to me. I've only had one engine fail that I've built and it happened within about two hours of the initial start. Didn't get the oil pick up clean
Phew Im glad I did research I was looking around for a new Tundra. Never owned a Toyota but I did not expect this from them. I hope the owners find resolution quick.
Long time Toyota owner - 2 Tacomas, 1 Corolla, 2 Highlanders every one of them "bulletproof" Now I'm watching the company I have relied on for many years, fall apart. I'm stunned. Will they be able to get out from underneath their problems. My latest Highlander is a 2021 and that will be my last Highlander because I'm not going to buy one with a turbo 4 cyl engine.- what a joke
Absolutely the same. 2007 Camry oil burner but still stroking at 250k. Bought a used 2019 tundra last July with 42k miles, and I’ll keep it for the duration, and a 2021 Highlander because it had the dependable v6 for the wife. I’d say we are set to make it through this messy spot in Toyotas timeline. It’s certainly a shame…
If I were a car dealer, I would not take in a Tundra on trade either.
Does anyone remember the Toyota engine sludge recall where they tried to blame owners? I remember this very well because I was affected by it. They said it was owners not changing oil regularly when in fact it was a design flaw in certain engines.
After 3 years the Toyota engineers must know precisely what is causing the main bearing stress/overheating/failure issue and must be aware of a fix. If they truly aren't aware of a fix, then they should inform Toyota senior management and then senior management would have a moral obligation to inform current owners, future prospective owners and the public.
Been saying it forever. Toyota don't know how to build turbo trucks. Should have gotten one of the domestics. No way it's what they claim the issue is as it spans different plants. It's a design defect. Hybrid will be included and taco will have issues next.
Hard lessons Mark.
You are correct
Toyota must sack Toyota management Toyota Plano, stop production of the Tundra entirely and buy back all the cars involved and compensate the owners.
The imago of Toyota is completly in ruins after several fraud cases and nowcthe Tundra didaster.
I hate to say! Toyota you screwed up!
If it aint broke !!!! dont fix it!!!!! They should have stayed with that awsom! V8!!
Toyota gets rid of CEO that says this isn't the time for EV's, lets Americans design and engineer their trucks, and then moves manufacturing to Mexico. What could go wrong?
This is a Lexus engine, so it’s almost certainly a Japanese design. We do know the engines coming out of the factory over there are having the same problem. And speaking of EVs: Toyota’s first EV was pulled from the market for months because the wheels were literally falling off. At least that’s what Toyota claims, but I’d bet there were massive problems with the powertrain or battery and Toyota didn’t want to admit it.
Just wait until the new Tacomas start showing the same issues. Made in Mehico now…
Toyota has gone downhill recently. They deserve it for being greedy.
I hate to say I told you so when I said Toyota has made a big mistake in dropping that magnificent 5.7 Iforce V8 for a twin turbo v6. My words in 2021 have turned out to hold true.
Sitting here smiling after seeing so many turbocharged truck owners talk down on my 5.0 F150. I should've kept my 2016 5.0, but I'll definitely be keeping my 22 5.0
Traded my 22 Tundra for F150 V8. I’m done with Toyota.
Not sure why any serious person would talk down your truck........ you own the best powerplant out there.
5:41: Don't forget about the Toyota Sequoia owners as well! They have the exact same engine and the exact same failure rate as well.
I traded in my 2023 Sequoia the day (5/30) the recall was announced and purchased a 2024 4Runner. I will wait until late next year to see if I get another Sequoia.
My Tundra is leased and per the docs I am required to have all open recalls resolved before they will take it back. I wonder what would happen if this is still open when I go to hand them the keys 🤔
I've been trying to tell people for decades that Toyota superiority is a myth. For every Toyota with 500k on the clock there are ten Fords with 500k on the clock. There is nothing special about a Japanese truck.
We went from bodies that were rusted by 25k miles in the 1980s to frames that folded like a lawn chair in the 1990s to engines that lost crank shafts and head gaskets in the 2000s to the modern era with plastic beds that crack under load, engines that fail, turbos that blow, and electrical nightmares galore. How in the world did Toyota ever get the reputation they have? The PR team must have been brilliant.
Truth spoken
I will tell you how to fix this! Vote carefully come November 2024! The current administration is pushing electric cars and trucks and the EPA is tightening emission regulations. General motors is already putting turbo four cylinders in their full-size trucks, ram is using a twin turbo, in-line six to replace the hemi V8, so it is all government regulations to blame for all of this. Emissions, regulations, and fuel economy standards are causing the automobile manufacturers to use smaller engines and different technologies to meet these new standards.
My 23’ tundra with 25000 just blew up today 🤦♂️.
Damit I have a 2022 tundra 😢 23000 miles no blown motor yet. Never thought I’d say this but I’m glad I got it on lease
How many oil changes did the truck have?
if they give you any push back hire a lawyer. Lemon law cases, they have to pay your lawyer.
Some bean counter sitting in a windowlless office decided Toyota could increase profits by using shop air and not flushing the blocks after the machining process.
Stop buying turbocharged vehicles unless it’s diesel
Diesel rules!
💯 I will NEVER buy a turbo charged vehicle.
I was shopping to buy a hard-to find 4-door with 6.5' bed earlier this year and couldn't find one any dealer would discount. I decided to hold-on to my 2006 Gen-1 Tundra and do 3K in tires and maintenance repairs. About 2 weeks ago the sales guys started blowing my phone up, wanting me back to test-drive...
They are taking them back in Canada, I literally got a phone call today from my local dealership for come in to trade my 22 for a 24
Even trade?
My neighbor is the biggest Toyota family I know - more than even myself.
They own a 4Runner TRD pro, three newer Tacomas, and traded their mint 4runner limited for a new TRD pro tundra last month.
I’m over here glad I’m at 222,750 miles on my 2008 5.7L sequoia.
Fwew.
I was actually going to sell my 2019 trdpro tacoma voodoo blue with a M/T. NOT NO MORE! I'm keeping her 😊
How am I supposed to know if my 23 tundra limited is part of recall. When I our Toyota website and nhtsa it shows it’s not. Is that possible?
If it has 3.5 turbo probably will blow before 50,000
So he is ok cause he got a 3.4 turbo😂
Toyota needs to offer the 5.7 V8 again...that's what their customers want
It’s so sad to see a “premium” auto manufacturer sink to such a low level. My first car was a 72 Corolla with a 1.2 L engine that ran forever. Now it is a vehicle that I wouldn’t touch with a 10 ft pole. They even screwed up their approach to the electric vehicle sector. So sad.
To those who are counting on Toyota to rebuild their engines. Really? The most complex job a dealer does these days is oil and filter change and may be new wiper blades. You really think they have the skills to tear down a complex engine such as it is and put it back together correctly? I don't think they have seen what is below the air cleaner.
Plus these are newer engines that these dealer mechanics don’t have many actual work hours on.
This is complete nonsense. The techs that change your oil are not the same guys who would be performing the engine rebuild. Most Toyota dealerships will have several master techs that are very capable of performing this job. Sure this will be a big job but these definitely won't be the first engines they've rebuilt.
If the dealership is incapable then who is fixing this thing
Funny thing is back in 2011+ when Jeep was producing the Pentastar they had a similar issue where the engines had sand left in them from the manufacturing process causing heater core and engine failures. Now recently they were hit with a class action lawsuit for the Pentastar tick. There's not a good engine out there anymore. When I went to test drive a 2024 GMC Sierra, they couldn't get it to start and it had an engine malfunction warning with 7 miles on the ODO. Turns out the engine was bad right from the factory. Can't make this crap up anymore.
There are plenty of good engines available now. Ford 7.3 gas. GM 3.0 duramax. Toyota 4.0 V6. Ford 5.0. Toyota 2.4. Gm 6.6 gas.
@@cstgx Ford 2.7 TTV6, 3.5 TTV6
@@cstgx 3.0 Duramax is questionable. My Co-worker has had nothing but issues start around 4k miles with his. Oil issues, crank issues, injector failures, a recent turbo failure, the list goes on. Been in the shop more often than not sadly.
Toyota, go back to normally aspirated V8 in the Tundra and normally aspirated motors in the Tacoma. These turbo motors are not keeping with the reliability that Toyota owners require.
Hence why I got rid of mine the day after the official recall. I figured there was going to be a rush on trade-ins.
I never buy a Japanese vehicle not built in Japan been there done that and i lived in Japan for a few years the quality out of Japan in my opinion is way better then the vehicles made in the US..Ive owned a few US toyotas and never again...just my opinion
The lexus engines that are built in Japan are having the same issues. It's not a manufacturing issue. It's a design flaw.
Let the Toyota fanboys reap what they have sown for the past 15 years. Toyota moved into the next century, and it smacked them in the face. Looks like all the reasons to buy a toyota have gone out the window.
I traded my 22 in the week before the recall. .. it's still on their website.
What did you replace it with?
@@williamconrad1087 24 4runner
The "debris" is just to buy time. It is going to affect all. The fact that a hybrid power source can push a spun main bearing engine so don't worry yet is laughable. Something is wrong with that bottom end design. Clamping force variation because of the different expansion rates of the main caps as they use an all in one girdled together main caps unit. Although it could be an oiling issue, they have known how to supply oil to a crank assm for 100 yrs, but this aluminum block one piece caps and girdle design is the glaring unknown so I place my bet there.
I am more upset that Toyota drank the small engine turbo Kool-aid period. Heavy vehicle meant to tow/haul and small boosted turbo engines = better specs empty for EPA, worse or same loaded if lucky, and a throw away vehicle before some are even paid for, VS 100, 200, 300k mile or more vehicles that you have to try and kill.
But with that said, and regardless of how painful this is going to be. Toyota will fix it, and make it right in the end, but it will take time so that is little help now. I am talking about TOYOTA, not their franchise dealers, some will be informed and do the right thing. Unfortunately others will only use what they know at any given time to try and screw you out of money, or the value of your vehicle. So stay informed with real information.
It’s crazy that Toyota produced arguably one of the greatest twin turbo 6 cylinder engines ever 30+ years ago and now delivered an absolute turd today.
Boy Toyota is in bad shape such a shame, they could be on top of the game but now at the bottom
Scotty kilmer told me Toyota or nothing
Over 21 confirmed 2024 tundra with blow engines and number is climbing daily😮
Imagine being the guy at corporate Toyota that said... hey, let's replace the legendary V8 with a V6 twin turbo....
They are all data driven. This going to fall on the engineering team that made the issue. That might be manufacturing or might be design. Toyota wants their suppliers to be open, upfront, and honest with any problems. do not cover them up. Would be nice if they extended that same practice to how they treat customers
Swears needs to go. As long as he is head truck engineer, I’ll never buy one.
It’s hard to believe this FUBAR by Toyota. I wonder if the person responsible committed seppuku?
The Hybrid engines will eventually be affected by this issue. It will take longer to develop because assist from the Hybrid system. There is not as much load put on the gas portion of the engine because of the torque assist from the electric motor.
Just traded mine yesterday
I'm soo mad at Toyota!! I called them 2x about giving me a rental, I don't want to drive my truck and get into a accident, they keep telling me to call the dealership to see if they can give me a loaner, I call the dealership and the service manager is never available. And to top it off I have a roadtrip coming up and have defective truck and have to pay for a rental out of my own pocket!! A service advisor told me that Toyota hasn't announced a" don't drive your truck" so I'm effing screwed!!
Do something Toyota for customers!!
Document 5 on NHTSA website for recall contains information on rental reimbursement if owners don't feel safe driving their truck. Print out and take to dealer.
Not since Navistar have we seen such a broad batch of straight up bad engines come out and screw the consumer.
Good on you for reporting this issue tundra owners are facing with dealers not interested in their vehicles. Toyota really needs to step up on how they handle this fix and build some confidence back into the brand and specifically the Tundra.
As an owner of one of these trucks, im extremely disappointed. All i can do now is wait and hope the truck stays in one piece. I agree with you Tim. I do feel like its a ticking time bomb. Smh
I’m curious what comes of this. This seems more like an oil system issue or inherent design flaw than “manufacturing debris”. If it’s manufacturing debris, then a failure would likely happen within the first 5-10k miles. Yet there’s owners with failures over 40k miles.
Maybe the thin oil?
If a private buyer won't buy it, what makes you think a dealer will? In the end, they need to sell it to a future customer. Your best recourse is getting the vehicle declared a lemon but it has to have a problem and you need to give the mfg. a chance to fix it and fix it multiple times.
Toyota should do the right thing and do a buyback on all these trucks because we don’t know if today it’s gonna stop working cause an accident calls deaths Toyota should buy all these trucks back
Why don't they give a warranty to 150k miles?
It would have to be a 300k mile
People buy this trucks to last 300k
Scotty Kilmer warned everyone about this.
Lol, no one wants them new, why would the unfortunate owners think anyone including dealers would want them. Owners made a Huge mistake buying them in the first place!!!
Traded my 22 limited for a raptor a few days ago thank god they took it
Same here! Traded on Tuesday the recall was announced on Thursday!!! Whew! Got a great deal btw. Even though my tundra isn’t included in the recall … yet… as it was a trd pro/hybrid.
I'm jealous!