Toyota Spills All the Beans on the Tundra Engine Recall: Here's EVERYTHING We Know!
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Probably the best detailed analysis of the entire situation I’ve seen to date. Thanks…
Thank God you didn't include that idiot Tommi in this video.
800/100,000 = 0.008 = 0.8% of engines involved. Not too bad. BUT, broken crankshaft bearings sounds like you need a brand new engine to fix the problem if it's brand new.....
@@warg333 what if he did? Why does that matter to you?
So much detail they pronounced letters that aren't even supposed to be pronounced.
You don’t pronounce the s in debris. Thought this was well known especially for a producer.
The only solution is to replace the engine, turbos and all oil plumbing as there is no way to know where the debris is lurking.
The debris story is just a lie trying to avoid lawsuits and be recalling all engines because it's a design failure.
Newsflash, it's not debris.
I agree. So far from what I’m seeing is that they are just replacing the engines nothing else. I wish they would step up and just replace everything like you said.
Its almost like a good old fashioned v8 is the solution the problem 😂
@@jgs65 says debris on the recall.🤷♂
Toyota knows exactly what the issue is.
Thus the recall
@@RedWingsninetyonesped
@@RedWingsninetyone Yup - @stevekniess3665 probably thinks it is a conspiracy...
@@stevekniess3665 oh I am sure they do know, they just aren’t being honest with us about it.
No mechanics, like me, believe it is machining debris. Not over 3 model years, manufactured in 3 different plants on different continents. This is either an oiling problem or a design/materials problem
Could not agree more.
2024s are now experiencing this issue too.
All Turbos in toyotas are currently having the same issue dosent matter if it's the tundra or the highlander gas model.
A couple of engineers I spoke with said that they would be unable to believe that the plants in Japan allowed this to happen.
Unless the programming for the robotic engine building machines is all the same... Most likely
Two HUGE points are not touched on.
1 - 2024 Tundras have also had the same engine failure, including hybirds.
2-The fix is short block replacement. Which means complete engine disassembly, and cab off at your local dealership. There is NO way I would trust most dealerships with this huge job.
Your point 1, Tundras, was fully addressed and is in fact in the title of the video.
I agree with the problematic fix - it seems both inadequate and unlikely to be done correctly.
A new short block does not fix the design deficiency that's likely causing bearing failure
@@Sylvan_dB He is saying that it affects 24s but the recall is for 22-23s, NOT 24s. Supposedly, they fixed the problem prior to any 24s being affected but he disagrees. Time will tell.
Their credibility is at stake. They should do a little more research. My dad’s on his second engine swap on his hybrid tundra. Same issue. When we took his truck in there was another hybrid with the same issue.
Agree, vehicle will never be put back together properly. Missing clips, retainers, fasteners, and cable mismanaging galore!
Worked for GM in machining for 47 years. Metal contamination is not being left in new engines. I believe the problem is the crank cradle is not supporting the crank properly and the main bearing caps are being destroyed
i been alive for 33 years , i think your correct
Especially since it appears to be a new crank cradle design
Wrong.
Agree. They just took a page out of Hyundai’s playbook and blame everything on “machining debris”. Hyundai had engine problems long after the recall was announced. It’s a quality or design problem
I believe your correct the supporting cradle may be too weak, dissimilar materials between block aluminum and cast metal cradle.
IMHO if the repair of a vehicle under warranty negatively impacts the resale or trade value on said vehicle in a Car Fax report, the manufacture should buy back the vehicle or replace it with a new one. This is the only way the customer can be made whole. The customer should never be expected to take a financial hit because of a manufacture miss step in the production of a new vehicle. Toyota has the opportunity here to be a hero or a zero depending on how they handle this issue. Let's hope they do the right thing!
Especially for 60 to 80k
Mechanical repairs do not affect the value of the vehicle. Collision repairs do.
If you bought a v6 truck you should’ve know you weren’t very bright
@@flyer8493That's totally not true. A vehicle's reputation absolutely affects its value. That's why Toyota vehicles hold their values longer than Ford or GM because of Toyota's reputation for quality.
@@tboneforreal Brand reputation does affect value, your right. That’s not what I was referring to. But a vehicle that had an engine swap under warranty? Nah. GM trucks have pretty good resale value. I know because when I was shopping for a used truck all the GM used trucks were priced higher than the rest (except for Toyota trucks of course). Yet GMs AFM/DFM has ruined many engines, but they still command a higher price for some odd reason.
Any recall sucks if your truck is stuck at the dealership for weeks or months and you still have to make the payments on something you aren't or can't use. I don't mean to compound the cost to the truck manufacturer but owners should get compensated for that time.
i'm not sure if they do this but it would be nice if the warranty time were to be extended by the amount of time the owner could not use the vehicle due to waiting for parts/repairs etc.
Not to mention those who’ve loaded up their trucks with aftermarket wheels, tires, lifts, etc.
Put more $ into a vehicle you can’t drive. And apparently their resale values have tanked.
Man loaners are barely even available anyways due to the supply.
Come on TFL- this was nothing more than a re-statement of Toyota’s corporate canned pr lines. It’s very well documented that the hybrid engines are having this issue as well. Any reasonable person would conclude the hybrid will absolutely be just as affected- it’s the identical block and internals built in the same places. Stating there is no reason to think this will expand to the hybrid is misleading your followers and potentially leading people into a terrible purchase decision. The hybrid isn’t recalled because it has another source of motive power in the case of engine failure- hopefully preventing a safety issue. Remember- this is a safety recall, not a tech bulletin. The simple fact that this is a big enough issue to cause a safety recall in itself is startling. The other fact that cannot be overlooked is that Toyota hasn’t been able to narrow this down to a more concise production timeframe. They’ve had 2+ years to figure this out and haven’t- which means it’s more likely an engineering flaw than a production mishap. We need to stop giving Toyota a pass based on their previous reputation for quality.
If they add the 24's they would have to stop selling them.
@@davidwethington9320 Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2024s that are already documented to be failing have the same issue- which would be more evidence that Toyota hasn’t figured this out yet (or doesn’t want to admit the actual problem). If it is actually an engineering design flaw that would mean they likely have to replace every one built- far more costly than claiming a manufacturing issue and playing the odds that not every truck fails… Will be very interesting to see what the recall procedure involves.
They want to maintain friendly relations with toyo! You know it 😮
I had my LX570, was looking forward to new LX-Sequoia-Tundra…. No way I’ll getting anything with 3,5 turbo from Toyota.
They are given special access to Toyota products and events to talk good about Toyotas
Why was this titled Toyota spills all the beans? That was misleading as no new news was shared here.
Oooooohhhhh
It seems like the theme in recent years with TFL. Pretty sad about it since this is one of the channels that i frequent
They are not a public service; they are a media site. They need to create content for you to watch. That is the business model. Of course, it will be repetitive and overhyped. All media is.
clilckbait crap as usual.
Right I’ve stopped watching them and if it’s a video that’s somewhat interesting most of the time just skim through. When Roman is in them just just close it and go elsewhere. Throttle House and Truck King are killing it. Only reason I looked at this was because I seen this comment and felt the need to comment myself
The cause is drilling debris (small chips) left in the crankshaft holes that are drilled as an oil passage or to balance the crankshaft (one of the last steps in the crankshaft machining process). When the drill gets duller or is chipped, the steel chips may get longer and get stuck in the hole. Looking for chips is a visual inspection and with the "balance' blind hole, it is very difficult to see. Other possibility is the wash process after the last machining step. Washing jets may not have been oriented correctly / not enough jet pressure to wash out any debris.
Every oil pan has a filter and a magnet (to grap any metal debris). Removing the oil pain and inspect the filter and the magnet is a good start to see if there is any metal debris going around in the engine.
That's 100% true. There's also a possibility of a sub supplier messing with feeds and speeds to decrease machining time, or "alternate tooling". By numbers, doesn't sound like tooling being worn.
This happened in the USA as well as Japan 🇯🇵 seems unlikely to
Or just get rid of the ICE and go EV , but that would be bridge too far for Toyota, they're rather go with FOOLCELLS or Hydrogen powered ICE.
I've seen several videos showing the worn main bearings, but I've not seen a single image of chips or debris of any kind. Also, they've been making crankshafts for how many years and they have this problem now? And they duplicate this mistake in two different engine plants, one in the U.S. and other in Japan? If so, this is like forgetting the recipe for how to make ice.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8giEV’s have their place. But as a vehicle that is expected to be able to tow, their range is reduced by 1/2, to 1/3 when towing. In areas where cold weather is a factor, their range is reduced even further.
Tried and true V-8 engine never should have been discontinued.
In 2007, consumer reports showed that the engine was the biggest issue, with some reporting a complete failure. Among the 537 complaints collected from this consumer report, air injection pump failure and knocking pistons were the two complaints.
In addition, there were reported issues with the speed control, with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reporting issues with speed control, engine cooling, and accelerator pedals. These are dangerous issues, but they appear on a small scale compared to other brands. The worst year to date for the Tundra was 2012. This year alone saw several consumer reports with issues, including the engine, the transmission, and electrical systems. The top issue reported was the air induction pump, which has a high repair cost. Problems were reported, on average, around 74,000 miles, and the price was over $3,000 to repair.
Another critical issue that came out of this year was transmission failure. The transmission is like the heart of a vehicle, and when it gives out, it comes with a number of significant issues attached to it. In the case of the Tundra, issues with the transmission started showing up around 9,700 miles, which is very little for a car with a reputation like Toyota. Average costs for transmission replacement are about $5,000.
Toyota must love wasting money on warranty work.
Bro when we had it, everybody was complaining about gas mileage and how everybody wanted to trade in for a new 3.5 eco boost ford. Now everybody or mostly wishes for the v8 to come back 🤦♂️.
Blame that on Government and EPA, always about emissions.
@@PRO4XKEV yea we should just ignore global climate change. I have no kids and don't care if the planet is unlivable for most people in 100 years . My relatives won't be struggling to find food water and shelter.
It is a shame that Toyota was not able to offer the new Tundra with two different engines - one of which would be an update to the 5.7 V8.
V8 can't pass the pollution control. You won't see a V8 unless hydrogen engines happen.
The idea is to do away with reliability so customers come back sooner. Toyota has fallen to the greedy WEF style of business just like all other car manufacturers
@@Dokooobut wef is the good guys. They hate pollution
I had a 2011 tundra 5.7. Loved it. The 5.7 sounds great. I just traded it for a 24 tundra. That v6 rips man lol. No sound though.
Thank the EPA for that
2023 Titan XD Pro-4X. Best decision I ever made. Almost bought the tundra, really glad I didn't.
Bought a 24 SV, also almost bought the Tundra.
Won't regret your decision. Currently on my 4th new Titan. 23 XD PR.
@@paulbenderavich3833 So bummed they quit making them. I'll bet Nissan is kicking themselves right now with this Toyota situation. They could have really capitalized on it. 🤦♂️.
Good choice. The only time it’s gonna suck is probably 10+ years from now and parts become harder to find but enjoy your truck.
@@SuperSnakePlissken I think you are right, that's definitely one of the things I worry about. Thanks.
I had the bearing failure in March. Took 4 weeks for the dealership to replace the short block. The service manager told me the warranty bill was 32k.
getting into 1 ton diesel engine prices at that number
And the dealer couldn't guarantee the replacement short block won't have the same short bearing life problem.
Lets be honest here... ALL of these 3.4L TT V6 Toyota engines are boat anchors.. Toyota using the dealer network to repair them is outrageous behavior. Refusal to install a crate engine is insane move worthy of KIA /Hyundai... My neighbors '23 Tundra (1794 edition) now sitting in the dealer back lot waiting for a short block with no completion date... The dealer didn't even want it on a trade-in (26,000 mi)... We all know Toyota corporate left the '24's out of the recall so those junkers could be sold at the dealer lots... A buy-back is the only fair option..
Agree. This is going to be a huge problem and doing a short block repair at the dealer is not going to work. They need to halt production and send long blocks to the dealers so they can get these fixed quickly.
There is many with over 100k already with no issues, if it was a design flaw wouldn’t they all fail?
@@ughmasyes sir my uncle has three with 65k 77k and 90K no issues. He does have the oil change religiously every 3500 miles.
New engine is only option other than replacement of the tundra. They hired 350 more people at the Alabama plant . I'm not sure if that means fully built engines or what, but Toyota definitely must correct this.
Fire those Alabama workers and engineers
I have the suspicion this is not debris, this is an engineering/design oversight not caught in testing. Doubt is QA (debris), theres plenty of oversight on the QA side ensuring engineering specs are met.
The hybrids have the same issue. They simply don’t lose “motive power” due to the hybrid system being able to move the vehicle safely off the road. They aren’t recalled. They will have the same issue. The internals on these different versions are identical.
The hybrid’s engine is probably built on the same line. I think it will eventually be included. If you look closely, the recall is currently for safety because a non-hybrid motor cannot get off the road when the engine seizes. However, even when that occurs on the hybrid, the vehicle can still move off the road to safety.
Strange the Sequoia isn't included. Built on the same plant with the same hybrid powertrain
@@chibbyylolyep! I bought a limited TRD of road 6 day’s before this recall. The hybrid system is not great. It’s very clunky. Plus, the sequoia was damaged at the factory. I was told that Toyotas quality control has really gone down hill and if I want a better vehicle, buy a Lexus.
Guys, a great overview of the situation. Context, history and understanding of processes paints a picture of a batch issue, which requires root cause analysis to narrow down the affected vehicles.
At least Toyota recalls it. GM pretends like there cylinder deactivation isn't an engine problem
Hyundai recalled their Theta II engines for the same issue.
I don't believe the GM engines grenade themselves and blow up when the cylinder deactivation fails? Do they?
This is a safety recall since the vehicle will stop moving (same with Hyundai).
Correct me if I'm wrong
"Recalls it?" And do what? They recall these vehicles but they're not doing anything. Have some more Kool-Aid.
My brother put a device on his gm to stop that crap. Also they have a tranny issue that you need to address before its too late.
@@volvo09, thankfully the GM and other domestic manufacturers are getting past the warranty period.
These TT Tundras are failing before the first oil change (less than 10 K miles).
That’s why it angers me with EVERY video on this Toyota debacle including 10 minutes of dribble saying, “forget this 800-pound gorilla 🦍, what about GM, Ford and Ram having failures after the 100,000 miles.”
😂 bunch of clowns 🤡 and Toyota fanboys afraid of being wrong because they nagged everyone who bought domestic.
If it was machining debris it would damage everything in the engine not just the crank bearings. Cams, cam bearings along with everything else that gets oiled. A short block is not a fix i would accept for my 23 tundra. My local delaership couldn't even put some door sill trim back on my wifes rav4 properly after having to work on it. I would have absolutely no faith in an engine swap or rebuild for my tundra.
Not necessarily. If the small oiling ports that go to the camshaft bearing get clogged, it's going to overheat and fail. It's a very realistic scenario. The engine design may lead for this too easily, but may still be perfectly fine under ideal situations. Also the short block is the current fix. With so many vehicles affected in the recall I'd guess a long block replacement is more likely.
I have run into 4 2024 tundra owners. Not that many, but they have had zero problems.
Maybe you should have your license revoked
I just brought my 2024 tundra home. No problems. Zero. Let us know when you actually buy a truck.@@hanksta34
Is not bad as long as they really fix it.
I had a transmission recall on my 2011 F150, took it to the dealer, they pretended to have it fixed, but they didn't, now I can't do anything about it cause in the NHTSA website appears that my truck was already fixed
What about the failing manual and automatic transmission issues?
I have a late (October) 2022 Capstone with 102,000k miles. I’m keeping a close eye on this recall but I do NOT plan on not driving or selling my truck. Hopefully, because I’m out of warranty, that Toyota will have a good remedy.
I wonder if there is any correlation between the failure rate and the 1st oil change interval? Maybe Toyota should require a first oil change at 1K miles, including a machine EDT (engine decontamination flush) then the next oil change at 3K miles and extending the warranty to 120K miles.
As an Engineer, oil changes at 5000 miles, use 5W-20 oil ILSAC GF-6A (Mobil 1, and others), oil analysis - samples to the lab. If your oil analysis shows no wear metal contamination - no need to worry. Without data, you are flying blind and you should be worried. 10,000 change interval is nutty.
Many engines failed before the first oil change so that’s irrelevant.
It's a design issue. They didn't leave metal shavings in the engine, LOL.
This assumes the debris from machining is accurate, if the bearing spins due to a design issue, you only have shrapnel from the bearing getting torn up given a spun bearing blocks the oil flow to it
Who wants to do this????? Come on…
@@NapoleonDynamyte Nobody wants to do this? Anyone who buys an experimental turbo V6 making 500 ft lbs of torque can call AAA.
Now do a video about Tacoma transmission issues.
They are lying about the debris bullshit excuse…
We have to keep in mind that there’s likely massive insurance at play here. If it’s a design problem vs debris in manufacturing, it could affect Toyota insurance claims. Someone is going to have to foot the bill for these warranty claims. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Toyota is trying to pull these claims under an insurance policy for coverage.
Even if it's true, they still don't know where the debris is coming from or how to stop it. These motors are all junk until they figure that out.
Not a Toyota fan boy but good on Toyota for owning this. Not the first manufacturer to have issues and not the last.
Do they have a choice?
didn’t have a choice tundra engines were nuking themselves
How can they own something when they don't even know what's happening? The machining debris is only a guess at this point.
I would pump the brakes on that thought. Let's see what Toyota does to address the issue. To me they are not any different from any other corporation and 9.5 times out of ten they end up leaving the customer to deal with a large majority of the mess that they created.
They haven't owned anything until it's properly fixed....and they wont do that.
I have a 2024 tundra. With lots of problems. Gas gauge issues,back up camera,a knock on start up,battery gauge moving around. And my dealership can’t fix any of it. I have video pictures times dates. And random loss of power on take off. Bought it January of 24.
Every one at TFL is very professional
I just bought out my 19 Trd 5.7 for 24gs 🇨🇦
She only has 40 000 mi
and i change oil every 5000
I wouldn’t trade her for a new one !! ☮️❤️🇨🇦
Having said about all these recalls in 2022 and 2023 Toyota Tundra models, any possible similar issues with the 2024 models? Just curious, planning to consider a 2024 Tundra. Any information you can share is highly appreciated, thank you in advance.
I think I would definitely have range anxiety driving this truck!
At least they are stepping up and not dragging it on. What do you think is going to happen to resale values and current new sales for 2024? I would think 2022 and 2023 will take a big hit.Great deals coming on 2024 models soon?
No short block . New engine is the only way to make it right for the life long Toyota customer.
At the price they are asking for these trucks spinning bearings is inexcusable. Their explanation is BS, and simply the most plausible statement they could come up with to excuse them as much as possible.
Is there a video somewhere showing the debris stuck on main bearing or the damaged bearing. I want to see that. ….. and it bothers me that, like you said, they have been studying this issue for a long time and Toyota keep selling this truck like that?
All these engines regardless of where it is put on are affected, if you believe otherwise then it is on you.
I want them to fix this, cause it bothers me that a Toyota is in this mess, but it will be rough for many, I don’t want to be in this situation period.
As a retired auto tech and a Lexus master tech at that, there is more to this engine than debris. The Toyota engine is made in America and the Lexus in japan so where is the cross?
If the oil pump is picking up the debris so why the camshaft is no affected or why aren't the turbos or oil pipes not changing with the replacement engine?
There is a Tundra that has gone through 2 or more engine already and one that have a engine replacement and shut down almost after leaving the dealership
The engine design seen to be the problem, all that I see so far is damage to the front main bearing
As someone that reads a lot of comments on youtube i think your correct
Will you be talking about the new Tacoma trans failure?
Bad quality control during the machining process on the Tundra engines, and now bad transmissions in the new Tacoma.
So how can the debris problem be fixed? What If the engine oil is flushed with fresh oil several times, until the oil is tested clear? TFL does not discuss fixes.
Engine replacement is the only fix.
It's not due to debris.
It can’t be fixed because of how the debris gets trapped; it never makes it to the oil pan or oil filter and thus never gets removed from the parts it is affecting.
Most likely, the engine will be dismantled, have each part individually cleaned along with the open block, then reassembled while trying not to get any debris back in it. From talking to many dealer mechanics, they said they would never trust an engine addressed that way because the bays and shop just are not clean enough to prevent debris intrusion while maintaining the high turnover of vehicle service they are pressured to complete.
2021+ Tundras will forever be known as the vehicles to avoid at all costs on the used market.
I hope all current owners get a buyback option; that’s the only real fair way for Toyota to make those customers whole again, similar to the rusted frame issue they had a couple decades ago.
@@Cloud30000 that will never happen.
800/100,000 = 0.008 = 0.8% of engines involved. Not too bad. BUT, broken crankshaft bearings sounds like you need a brand new engine to fix the problem if it's brand new.....
You say there is a timeline, however, 2024 models are failing as well. Also heard some hybrid motors are failing as well. I don’t believe Toyota’s excuse. They don’t want to admit the design flaw of the motor. I’ll stick with my 2014 5.7l V8 for the time being.
Wouldn’t the oil filter catch these machine debris ? I wonder if it could be also just engine design , it is a undersquared engine with turbos , heat can kill bearings too from turbos ?
Toyota, what is going on? I want a new Land Cruiser so badly but no way. This is not their only recall, they have a STOP SALE ON THE Grand Highlander AND TX now. Like, they cannot even SELL THEM! WTF IS GOING ON?! This is Toyota the most reliable BEST car manufacturer ever!
Their reputation exceeds what their modern vehicles actually deliver.
I have been in manufacturing for nearly 25 years and I can tell you that a lot of times recalls will be claimed for one thing to cover up an even bigger issue.
I wonder if there’s more issues they’re only revealing some of them and they’re using this excuse to get into the motor fix the real problem. Not saying that’s what it is but I know that’s how recalls can work.
I had a 2023 Tundra, 13km. After seeing this recall, sold it! I am happy I acted fast, as dealers no longer want these Tundra trucks.
What about the 2024s with the issue
Has anyone thought the bearing itself is failing, Toyota went to a new material plus the redesign of the ladder that holds the main crank bearing. I understand Toyota will probably warranty the trucks for 100K but I feel for anyone that has purchased these trucks at 60k-80K and has to go through this. I personally had my 2023 Bronco with the manual pulled due to the excessive rock noise coming from the tranny. The "fix" only lasted one month and back to the same noise. So I sold it.
The irony of Toyota having the same engine problem as Hyundai and then warranting them for 100k miles like a Hyundai.
If we get a buy back option, I want all the money I used as a down payment and the same payment on the same trim of Tundra. New, of course.
See? 😂. It doesn't matter what truck manufacturer you buy they ALL have problems. GM,FORD,RAM,TOYOTA, NISSAN all have their own problems.
I can't believe how fast Toyota's quality and reputation took a huge dump.
It's going to take a really long time to earn customers trust again. Probably will never happen
Toyota should have put their 3.3L V6 turbo diesel in the Tundra...
It's not debris. It's a design flaw. It's always the number one main bearing to fail. Check out some the photos of these torn down. The bearings are cooked! No oil is getting to them.
I researched and purchased the titan pro4x 5.6 litre drives great
Another discussion that can't read the recall document. The hybrids are not included because they could still keep moving under battery power when the engine seizes.
Everyone acts like this has never happened before. Look at the other recalls from all the other auto companies. You can calculate and plan for years, but once in the real world things will show up. Thats why there are recalls, its a part of life. Once its sorted out, i will be buying one
Ford could learn a thing or two from Toyota…. Ahem… cam phasers on EcoBoost engines.
Damage control for Toyota!!! Cheaper machine metal parts probably caused the problem. COVID motors. Toyota did not have any problem charging the add-on prices of 10-20K depending on what state you live in. Toyota said they did this in voluntary in 2023, ask yourself why did it take so long for the recall? Toyota just fell out the most reliable vehicle out their and now their coming out with the 2025 Tundra with resolving their junk engines first. How do we know it won't roll over to the 2024 Tundra's too. You brought up a lawsuit in the past, but why did it have to go to a Class Action Lawsuit to give Toyota owners what Toyota should have done in the being. Come on guys!!!
$hit happens. At least Toyota is owning it and committing the funds to doing what needs to be done. Our domestic brands would be spending the money on lawyers to figure out how to avoid accountability.
Toyota will find a way to stick it to the customer, Toyota always does.
Just like Toyota hiding their emissions failure! They have become a joke and I don’t trust them anymore. Why do you think Toyota changed every engine in their line up at the point where they should be transitioning to EV? They are trying to save money and give the consumer less
This is why the Cybertruck is such a great vehicle that will never have an issue like this!! Toyota will never fix these vehicles for these customers and in 3-5 years these new engine trucks will have no value because EVs will be the only option for smart buyers. People are finally seeing that EVs are so much better and cheaper to own.
Bold statement to say this early on. Issue is also happening to 24's you know. Toyota fought tooth and nail against the rusted frames recall and in the end, cost them 3.4 billion on a settlement. This voluntary recall is only trying to mitigate a larger forced NHTSA recall. Don't stroke yourself here. Toyota is no different then any other oem. Lawyers and bean counters are at the helm. This truck already has 9 recalls. By the time its done the motor will likely have a redesigned motor with a reinforced engine girdle.
I totally agree with you!
Great information and thanks for sharing.
You guys are little late on this info. There has been 24’s and hybrids that have had engine failures as well as Lexus’s, including the LS500. I have a hard time believing it’s manufacturing debris. Debris will take out bearings pretty quick and there are many Tundras that have engine failures over 20k miles. There’s more to this story I believe.
I believe it’s a bad design.
Probably a design flaw they didn’t catch. Could be a massive problem for Toyota since this engine is going in a lot of vehicles.
@@briancoleman971 that’s what I’m wondering. This is all speculation… The public test vehicle was the LS500 in 2018. My guess is that they may have only seen a couple failures and didn’t think much of it because the sample size was so small. Thus they went forward with putting it multiple vehicles in 22. I’m no engineer, but I’ve been an auto tech and last 20yrs as an aircraft tech, my experience leads me to believe there’s something else to this.
There’s been roughly 0.8 to 1% of the trucks out there with the failure. If this was a widespread issue trucks would be failing everyday and piling up at dealerships waiting for either a short block or long block assembly. Can TFL or anyone provide data on daily failure rates? I own a ‘22 SR5 with 31K miles no issues and affected by the recall. Honestly Toyota with even 1% of a failure rate would want to voluntarily pull trucks in to assess how widespread the issue is. My guess is it’s a very small percentage, but we’ll see.
9 recalls on the Tundra…hmm, Toyota quality??? All these guys trying to defend Toyota but bashing US manufacturers.
@Travis12861 I'm a blue-collar worker, and in my 20 years of working at factories, I can say more than half the people don't take pride in their work.
People are always late or absent, on their phones, doing drugs or drink, lazy or just don't pay attention.
I don't know because we are so diverse, union focused, too much government help or what.
I do take pride I'm my work and I think of who will owe what I'm building.
Sadly, most corporates are way too foucs in their share holders.
@@Travis12861 The Tundras affected have engines manufactured in Japan and USA. It is an ENGINE PROBLEM
I'm going to guess you never actually looked into the #'s of all the US recalls before you formulated your statement.....
Are you trying to imply US manufactured vehicles don't have recalls? If so, I have a plastic donut to sell you.
The Honda Ridgeline and the Toyota Tundra are the most American made trucks today (though I really don’t count the Ridgeline as a true pickup truck). Engine, transmission, and assembly are all US. Everyone else is part US, Mexico, Canada, Italy, or some other location.
When I want to know what is going on with any engineering design or machining flaw I usually head to the comments to find out.
I find it hard to believe this doesn't pertain to 24's as well. I think they are crossing thier fingers. Maybe they have known all issues for a long time and fixed the 24's?
As I recall, Toyota blamed the sludge problem on customers initially. They grudgingly accepted responsibility and fixed those engines twenty years ago. I heard the Tundra forum has a spreadsheet that they're updating with these engine failures, and hybids are included. Also, doesn't the debris-laden oil circulate not only to the main bearings where these failures are being seen but also through the cylinder heads where the camshafts are and their bearings? A fix involving the short block being replaced isn't enough. I'd want an entire new engine. If the real problem is actually a bad design of the main bearings as I've seen suggested in one video, then this is all a smoke screen and even a replacement engine will have a likelihood of failure in the future. Toyota engineers need to find out what the problem is without pulling the wool over their managers' eyes not the mention customers' eyes. Then and only then can an honest-to-goodness fix be proposed and Toyota can regain a portion of its PR going forward.
OLD NEWS ! Where You BEEN !
Need to look into the Taco transmission issues
Could part of the problem be the 0w20 oil and the 10k mi OCI?
This just posted on CBS 2 hours ago: Ford is recalling more than 550,000 pickup trucks in the U.S. because the transmissions can unexpectedly downshift to first gear no matter how fast the trucks are going.
The recall covers certain F-150 pickups from the 2014 model year. Ford's F-Series pickups are the top-selling vehicles in the U.S.
I own a 2023 Hybrid Toyota Tundra Platinum. The problem is it has the same engine and I don't know what to think!
Toyota should rename the 3rd Generation "Turdra" to protect the reputation of 1st and 2nd Gens😊
In 2007, consumer reports showed that the engine was the biggest issue, with some reporting a complete failure. Among the 537 complaints collected from this consumer report, air injection pump failure and knocking pistons were the two complaints.
In addition, there were reported issues with the speed control, with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reporting issues with speed control, engine cooling, and accelerator pedals. These are dangerous issues, but they appear on a small scale compared to other brands. The worst year to date for the Tundra was 2012. This year alone saw several consumer reports with issues, including the engine, the transmission, and electrical systems. The top issue reported was the air induction pump, which has a high repair cost. Problems were reported, on average, around 74,000 miles, and the price was over $3,000 to repair.
Another critical issue that came out of this year was transmission failure. The transmission is like the heart of a vehicle, and when it gives out, it comes with a number of significant issues attached to it. In the case of the Tundra, issues with the transmission started showing up around 9,700 miles, which is very little for a car with a reputation like Toyota. Average costs for transmission replacement are about $5,000.
They don't care about you or your old truck. They already made their money on you they hope your old truck breaks down so you buy a new one 😂😂
@@ericswanson9773bruh stop spamming that dumbass comment seems like chat gpt wrote that
Bring back the V8
solution was use the higher gear tranmission on 5.7 !!! or v8 hybrid, make v6 out of 3ur ?
I’m glad I got the warning that no new info here. Don’t waste your time.
There was no reason to get rid of the V8 you can’t complain about fuel economy in a fullsize pickup use it for actual work like it was intended to be not a family vehicle and grocery getter
This issue isn't from debris. It is from a miscalculation in oil clearance for the main bearings.
please explain
I agree. Early thoughts were the one piece cast main bearing cap being the real issue coupled with the differential temps within the engine. It will be interesting to see over time. If Toyota gets this wrong and debris is not the correct issue then it will be a huge miss for Toyota. Someone should check to see if there is a part number change at some point on the bearing cap. That would indicate a redesign.
What about the New Tacoma transmission failures? Should dig into that since you are buddies with Toyota
It didnt start in 2023. This started with lexus. Only difference being the volume of sale
Good video, as always love Andre and the team!
Just moved to the Nissan train...
I don't think the Titan is made any longer? Though the Frontier is better than the new Tacoma, IMO.
@@palebeachbumthe frontier is one of the last naturally aspirated trucks on the market
@@Uknown76 You can still get the chevy 5.3 and ford 5.0
They suck too, trust me.
Should have kept two engine options.
Should have kept the 5.7 or brought back the 4.7L V8
Getting to put miles on your vehicle and then having Toyota rebuild it and put a extended warranty on it for free is the best case scenario. And while it's slightly inconvenient that's a great thing if you drive enough
A buyback is the best case; it will have no resale as no one wants to gamble anything significant on a blown engine, and the risk of something going wrong during the rebuild now makes you wonder if the engine might seize up on you anytime you take a long road trip. A long\extended warrantee is great, but I’d rather have a short warrantee on a reliable engine then a long warrantee on a potentially\more likely to be unreliable and now worthless engine.
Hay fellows when you have high torque due to turbo crank bearings will spin and fail. I believe Andre knows.
70k truck and engine problems yikes
Great information and video.
Thanks for watching!
Trading my 2024 tundra in on one of the last 5th gen 4runners next week.
Smaller engine, add turbo = increased pressure = shorter life = no brainer.
Yet some ecoboost V-6 get to 200k with proper maintenance.... this is a design problem.
Chase, debris has a silent ‘s’ and the plural of debris is still debris.
Happy to be living that 5.7 life.
4.5 diesel is a better engine than that crappy 5.7 gas
@@Mr-pn2eh Oh ya??? Not in this country it isn’t. Keep it moving kiddo.
Have fun with leaking cam towers and bad cylinder head gaskets
@@danielmeador1991 I’m having tons of fun with it not happening. Cool story. Keep it movin.
@@Bostonharborwater just telling you what I’ve seen from working on them but maybe you got lucky and that 5.7 will outlast the new twin turbo hands down
I’m expecting a lot of COPE in these comments…don’t disappoint me!
How come the bearings that are in the LC600, build in Japan, also have “debris” like the Tundras build in Indiana and Texas? Here is the real spill of beans because it has nothing to do with debris is the weak bearings itself.
Could it be possible that the GX550 is impacted?
Incoming comments:
“bring back the 5.7!!”
“Glad I kept my 201* with the 5.7”
“2024 with **,*** miles, no problems!”
And then the diehard Toyota Fanboys who you’d swear that Toyota is their actual momma 😂
and for the ten years leading up to 2022, "the 5.7 is too hard on gas... give us something better on gas!"