ENGINEER EXPLAINS TOYOTA TUNDRA RECALL // SHOULD YOU BUY FORD F-150 INSTEAD?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Automotive Engineer David Chao provides his perspective on what is happening with the Toyota Tundra recall - which also involves the new Lexus LX 600. Although there aren't a lot of information and data on this subject yet, David tries to explain some of the mystery surrounding the Tundra recall - and this brings an important question such as whether you should buy the Ford F-150 instead. This video includes David's perspectives on this matter and also his review of the new Ford F-150. Please note that this video represents David's view and and but does not represent an official note from Toyota. Please be respectable when making comments about this since it's a sensitive subject for many.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, engineering, and strategy. With over 35 years of engineering experience, David is able to review vehicles from unique perspectives utilizing technical and specialized methods. David is a board member and a director at AJAC (Automobile Journalist Association of Canada).
David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean/Agile Thinking, and travels all around the world to review vehicles and teach latest engineering methods. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston. 
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Toyota needs to extend the warranty for all Tundra owners up to 100k miles for the engine.
I agree, Toyota needs to be accountable in standing behind their vehicle. Having a 100,000 mile warranty is a good start. There should be a depreciation value reimburse to the owners as well.
They will replace the motor and extend the warranty
Try to get ford or gm to do that😂😂😂😂
Or just buy em back and scrap them all
My Ford Everest in Australia has a standard 5 year warranty with unlimited mileage, you guys in the US can do much better.
Longtime Toyota owner here (4th and 5th gen 4Runners and 3rd gen Tacoma). I was in the market for a full-size pickup this spring and ended up purchasing a 2024 F150 5.0 Coyote (5.0L V8) SuperCrew. I'm in love with it so far. Terrific power. Terrific V8 sound. Smooth ride (much more planted on the highway than my Toyotas). No turbos, engine debris, poor fit and finish, broken axles/front diffs, etc to worry about that seem to be plaguing the new Tundra and Tacoma and leaving them piling up on dealer lots. Large dealer discount (5% below invoice) and low interest rate (3.9 for 60 months from Ford), while arrogant Toyota dealers in some places are laughably still trying to slap market adjustments well over MSRP. The Ford is not quite as tightly built as my 5th gen 4Runner, but it does seem on par or better than my Mexican Taco, which felt very tinny and had a transmission with ADHD. I really feel that Toyota swung and missed badly with all of the latest generations of its trucks (3G Tundra, 4G Tacoma, and soon to be 6G 4Runner). People always expected bulletproof reliability for a fair price from Toyota, and they have absolutely failed with the new turbo trucks. Things went bad, and quickly, for Toyota since 2022 when they abandoned their principles. It's really a shame to see a once great brand crumbling before our eyes. This will take some time to fix, and it won't be easy. They need to clean house in Japan and bring in some leadership that know what they're doing. Then they can get back to being Toyota.
Toyota screwed up big with the crappy looking design and quality in the 2016 Tacomas and the new tundras are pure garbage!
I only like tacomas 2015 or older and 1st & 2nd gen Tundras!
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Well said, I am also considering a f150 with the 5.0
Well said. Toyota won’t arrogantly get out of this mess cheap but Toyota will try to.
@@Wicho4414 It's a nice ride. I'm getting 18.7 mpg combined through 3,500 miles and just got 24 mpg on a 300 mile drive yesterday, roughly the same as my 4Runner, but with 400hp instead of 275. The 5.0 is remarkably efficient for a V8.
I passed on the Tundra specifically because it was the first year with a new engine. F150 is on its third generation v6 turbo by now, always safer to skip the first generation.
@@AmericaFirst069F150 with the 5.0 coyote are pretty good. F250/F350 with the 7.3 Godzilla NA V8 are even stronger
Agreed, never buy a 1st year refresh on any brand
@@AmericaFirst069 they definitely aren’t junk, but you are correct they will need continual maintenance. More performance equals more maintenance.
@@AmericaFirst069 Do you know how long Turbos have been used in diesel engines???
@@kona6451 in the 1980's we had a Dodge with one.
I feel like the 5.7 Tundra might be the best one they will have ever made.
i agree however if we give them about 3 years to work out the issues maybe this v6 will achieve success,, not a turbo fan tho
4.7 is gem also reliability wise
I do not want any of these turbo charged over stressed engines. Give me the 5.0 liter in the Ford and 5.7 in the Tundra. I have written off GM and Dodge. I own two trucks. I have the 5.3 liter Vortec prior to the ACMS system and a 4.8 purchased because it did not have ACMS. I keep hearing this is mandated by the government. Let’s change the friggin government. What is better for the environment? A vehicle that lasts 75,000 miles or one that lasts 300,000? There is pollution and energy costs that go into each new vehicle. Many of vehicles sold today are short changing the younger generation. My last Silverado had 385,000 and was still going strong but needed another transmission. A new owner put in another transmission and I saw it back on the road a week later. I know that simple is better and all the fancy poop that they are putting in trucks today will be a problem tomorrow.
Dodge hasn't built a truck in 16 years...
Yeah turbos are junk good thing Ford you can get a V8 still.
@M_dot202 we know what the Rams really are though. Dodge.
The manufacturers don’t really care about environment. They care about profit. Building 75k miles truck while getting to claim environmental friendliness is a total win.
Governmental regulations are just these manufacturers setting the rules of the game for themselves. They are already heavily controlled/influenced by the manufacturer lobbies. Everybody is working solely to maximize the profit.
Built in obsolescence
If engines from 2 different plants in 2 different countries have the same failure it seems more likely to be a design problem rather than a process problem
The process is part of the design. They aren't going to manufacture the same engine differently dependant on region. You think they are going to build variations of manufacturing equipment?
These engines are machined by robots using software. If that software is used in both plants then they will have the same issues.
nope design problems hybrid not yes because they have ev support , and recall with warranty pay and job not in good skills technician will have another problems after work
@@lukelowe918I think he meant it’s not a quality control issue at all certain plant
@@lukelowe918then they should have caught this process problem prior to release. They had 2 years to catch this process issue 😊
This was a bit of a sugarcoating. Catastrophic engine failure is a far more serious recall than what we generally see even with new roll outs. Also, there are already reports of new 2024 trucks having the same engine failure- the assumption that newer trucks aren’t affected and the issue was corrected doesn’t look to be accurate. We need to stop giving Toyota free passes on their quality because we previously knew them to build reliable vehicles- it’s pretty clear they have slipped in that regard.
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I'm really wondering if Toyota is telling the truth about the engine issues. I'm thinking the engine might be a bad design.
no one actually thinks this. you read that on another thread and are repeating it now.
@@kellyvoelkel8442 True, I saw this on another video. It makes sense that it could be a bad engine design since Japan and the USA built engines are having the same issues. I'm not an engineer or mechanic.
Time will tell @@kellyvoelkel8442
Could very well be....it's like Ford 6.0 Diesel....that engine was a piece of 💩!
but also at the same time...the TTV6 was put in the Lexus lineup for a few years before it gets into the Toyota lineup.
I'll just keep my 07 Tundra for a few more years :)
It should have a 4.7 liter V8 engine
@@jamram9924 My 2000 Tundra did... My current one has the 5.7L. I love it
My 2022 platinum tundra lost its transmission at 20k and lost the engine at 34k if you saw the number of engine and trans failures in the new tundras you would steer clear of them
How many oil changes did it have ?
@@michaelrr3575 6 did them every 5k not every 10k. It was scheduled for another one before it went boom 🤣
@@DJErickG2big mistake should of been 500miles, 2500 and than the 5k. I did those with oil analysis found a lot of impurities. Good luck tho brother
You damaged the engine by not following Toyota’s 10k oil change interval. Toyota will win in court and not cover your repairs.
@@JoBiatchwrong 😂 if all oil changes are done at dealership and they send the oil analysis with a paid postage package can’t void anything. That’s why people should always ask questions and get everything in writing. 10k oil changes is the reason cars breakdown
I was all set to buy a new gen Tundra back in early 2023 but decided not to because I followed this guy who might have had the first engine problems. No one believed him but for some reason, I concluded that the guy was genuine and honest. I ended up getting a Ram Rebel 2022 for a really good deal and so far, I love the truck.
Yeah, but you still bought a Ram. 😂
Though u were getting wiser untill the last line of ur comment. Smh
Nice.My coworker just bought a 2022 with 20k miles on it the beginning of the year.The engine bricked itself shortly after and he had to lemon law it.Nice trucks hopefully you have better luck
Most full size truck have on average 20 fatalities per million sold. Except Ram. They average 50 deaths per million sold. It turns out it has nothing to do with the truck. It is because alcohol is more likely involved in Ram crashes for some reason.
@@chrismayher617 He bought a Tundra or a Ram? Which is it?
IMHO Toyota did not include the 2024 Tundra's because the dealership could not sell them with a active recall. That is OK because they are no longer selling 2024 anyways.
if anyone goes out and buys a 2024 tundra at this point they deserve whatever they get.
2024 was also likely not recalled because the if you look at the effected engine dates in the recall only a very small portion of those engines would have made it into the 2024's. I think they will get recalled just like the hybrids at some point but it will be by VIN and not the whole allotment.
I haven’t seen Toyota make a mistake like this since they introduced the 3.0 V6 in the late 80s that blew the head gasket.
Having a main bearing fail is not the same as having a rattle in the dashboard for a recall. I feel sorry for the owner's who will be taking a huge financial hit, if they go to resale or trade the truck in. Fortunately, Toyota isn't a player in the full size truck market so fewer people will take the hit, but it still sucks for the Toyota owners.
They won’t take any hit. Porsche had a fire in their most desirable 911 in the 2015 GT3. They stopped sales and stopped drive. Paid their owners $2500 a month while not driving. They replaced the engine which is way more costly than a tundra motor. And they extended the warranty to 10 years. I believe Toyota will replace the motor and extend the warranty.
Toyotas currency with their customers is their reliability. They won’t let that take a hit. They’ll do the right thing, they’ll fix the issue and resale won’t suffer
@jimsteinway695 I think you might be having to high of expectation about the Toyota corporation.
@jimsteinway695 having your truck in the shop IS taking a hit, especially when it will be in the shop for a prolonged time like with this issue. some people have their trucks set up a certain way to suit their needs and a loaner will not suffice for replacement. sure, the people that use their trucks to commute and go grocery shopping will be fine, but thats not everyone.
They won't take any hit. Both my Ford 150 blew an engine and my GMC Denali fell apart. I'll take my new Toyota all day over Detroit garbage
@@OldmanSnake no one cares
Six months ago I bought a 2019 Tundra Crew Max 5.7 with 42K miles for $35K. It may not have all the fancy tech but it’s reliable and paid for.
Did we forget about the 54 separate recalls the 2007-2021 Tundras and unfortunately one issue that was never fixed was cam tower leaks and why it wasn't a safety recall is beyond me especially when you have oil dripping on a hot exhaust manifold.
@davidromero6335 meanwhile GM has been building the same garbage V8 for decades that eats it's own camshaft and leaves people stranded but has never had a recall even though it is 20 times more common than cam tower leaks on a engine from 2007.
@@FRWD_FXLRST I do what I want
@@FRWD_FXLRST Harley Sucks too
All the fancy tech is a main reason not to want a new truck, on top of the other issues.
I bought a 24 GMC Sierra 1500 6 cyl turbodiesel and super happy with it. Mileage is incredible and the entire truck feels very high quality and well put together. I'm averaging 23mpg around town and got over 30 mpg on my last road trip
I got a 2024 Tundra just twelve days before the recall. I feel like I’ve been duped. I know the 2024’s are currently not included on the recall but something tells me I’ve made a BIG mistake. Thank God it’s a leased vehicle.
Like he said, recalls are a normal thing in the automotive world
I wouldn't worry about a lease. It'll be under warranty.
Stop crying. Toyota will fix the issue. Americans love to complain
Leased...So take a big sigh of relief. You were smart
@@mob4everin a few years probably, but trucks that are already out aren’t going to be magically fixed. Now if it had actually been financed it, you would now have to take it to the shop and wait who knows how long for the dealer to take apart and reassemble the entire engine in the new $60k truck. Probably would have to wait for new paint on plastic parts too since that’s also a problem with the tundras.
Over 60k for base ford. And you say it’s a good deal. One of us is insane.
And he thinks Tundra problems are bad?! At least they have the balls to issue a recall when they make a mistake not like Ford that tells you to go pound sand when your 3.5 ecoshit is grinding its own cam phasers into dust at 60k miles!
Or you can go get a GM truck and watch your lifters eat themselves into nothing and have zero factory support from General Motors smh
69K Canadian is about 50K USD.
@@Grgfkn3076Just buy a used Dodge, cheapest and easiest to fix
My thoughts of a main bearing failure are that this can turn out to be a very difficult fix, it’s serious.
Somethings never change, always change oil on a brand-new engine within 500 to 1000 miles, no matter what the manufacturer tells you.
It's likely the mileage intervals for oil changes are influenced by the marketing team, trying to one up the competition.
Amen people need to learn that the lease game has made destroying your car a thing honestly. In the 70s 80s and 90s all car had a break in oil period. Oil analyst shows the iron and other debris that destroy engines. People waiting 5k or 10k is insanity for an oil change
Long interval oil changes are a marketing ploy. In most situations the long interval is for normal driving only with normal driving defined as highway driving ONLY. So if you do city driving or short trips then a much shorter oil change interval is required.
I've written ad nauseum about my thoughts at this point, but I'm still adamant that the problem is not (solely) machining debris, but the bottom end design converted from car use is not structurally/mechanically adept for use in the trucks. One production run I could buy debris issues, but at that point, those engines will be 'factory tainted' via start-up to load them on the transporters long before they ever touch ground on a dealer lot or a customer driveway. Three full production years (the '24s are also failing, just not covered as of the present) point at something much, Much more dire.
Worse yet, rebuilt engines are still failing two and in a few cases, Three times. That could be design or even material failure, or dealer techs just really, really suck at doing hardcore repairs. An argument could be made for repeat business from the scummiest of dealers, but I doubt anyone wants to do that job dozens/hundreds of times like they are facing now.
This is all on top of the lesser existing issues like the turbo wastegates going premature, transmissions of poor quality, rusting body panels from lousy installation, the door seals falling apart...
Toyota's got a stout mess on their hands.
Hot take: Chasing more MPGs will destroy Toyota's reputation as the most reliable brand.
On another note the issue with this recall is it might involve engine work, if you know how they pay technicians at US dealerships you'd rather get rid of the car.
One option might be to just scrap the engine and replace with new. The economics of doing so does not compare to retail price of new engines as seen by the public.
@@robertherrmann4823 true
They're not chasing sh!t. You know that there's this agency called the EPA. All manufacturers have to meet certain standards based on their averages. Toyota was just late to the party cause they dont sell nearly as many fleet vehicles, they dont have hd trucks or vans in the U.S. which why the big 3 had to make these changes a while ago.
My dad who was a Toyota master tech for 37 years talked me out of buying the 2022 tundra. He told me never buy a new model when it comes out. Wait a couple of years to work out the issues.
people dont seem to see the fact that it is not just the tundra, it is also the lexus. these blocks are made in 2 completely different factories across the world from each other and yet having the same debris issue? not likely. there are things that toyota are not saying here. this same engine is inside the brand new gx550 too, so, toyota/lexus NEEDS this engine to work and not give them issues because if not it will destroy their sales and business on pretty much every flagship model. this is sad because even after "fixing the issue" it still happens yet again and again over and over for most of the affected vehicles. This is to the point that the dealerships are refusing them on trade in but they sure arent refusing to sell and advertise them everywhere to everyone though. This is sad from toyota and needs to be made right more than just fixing it and more than just a public apology that means nothing at all from the owner/ceo of toyota/lexus
As someone that owns a 24 Sequoia, I love it. Toyota seems to take care of their issues.
What about GM with the lifter issues? They aren’t recalling any of those. I hade a 22 Tahoe that had a lifter failure at 3000 miles and numerous electrical issues.
Fords V8 has oil burning issues. They are doing about it. 1-1.5 quarts every thousands miles is acceptable to Ford. Cam phasers in the V6 is still an issue
Toyota has had issues with frames,engine, and other issues in the past and they find the issue and fix it. The 4.6 and 5.7 also has issues. Doesn’t seem anyone else is like Toyota when trying to find solutions.
Great video...I love my 2024 1794 Tundra. Hoping and praying it's not part of the 1% affected...
It’s all about trust. I don’t think any 2022-2023 Tundra owners have it any more.
My 2008 Tundra has 119k miles on the odometer and a 5.7 under the hood. I'll have this truck until the day I die and it will still be running well.
Toyota needs to listen to is customers
They do.
I would consider a Titan while they last.
It will depreciate rapidly and not have parts availability. I’d get an F150 with the 2.7t.
Me too. Love my Titan!
The Titan is a proven platform. It is reliable and simple, V8 power, solid transmission, and the right amount of tech.
Obviously you don't watch Scottys channel. He will tell you titans are crap
@@ericswanson9773Scotty is entitled to his opinion. I've had 5 years of flawless performance from my Titan, even when towing heavy. No regrets here.
Ford offers the 3.5 Ecoboost engine as well as the 5.0 liter Coyote V8 as engine options. Why couldn’t Toyota offer the same as Ford? They could use that new Aisin 10 speed transmission and PI/GDI technologies to the 5.7 3UZ-FE engine. Toyota will take a hit on their reputation for such a poor marketing decision.
been saying that for a while. s
To Toyota it was way cheaper to run a car engine in it and call it a day ,lol , pay the piper now
They must trace those minutes from meeting who signed off on this decision and they should all be fired. Ruining a company of 100 years in one sloppy greedy political decision. Smh
I was considering a new Tundra. I went back the tried and true 2018 1794 5.7 Tundra with under 22,000 miles on it. That should last me a decade or so
Don’t trust anyone that says it’s only $61,000 and that is ridiculously cheap.
He’s talking Canadian dollars…
Do you guys spend all day lamenting the price of trucks? Literally cannot watch a truck video without seeing folks bitching and moaning about price. Prices went up - there's been inflation, there's more features than ever before, etc. Maybe you need to look at a work truck trim if you can't scrape together the money for a nice one. Or get better jobs.
@@HaleFire7 how much are they paying for hiluxes in other countries? Is it really unreasonable for normal people to wonder why they once could afford pickup trucks, and now find it a struggle?
@@HaleFire7you seem to lack some perspective. Advise you go and find it, instead of bitching about people finding it hard to buy things these days.
@@Michael-bu7ni that’s probably one of those limousines latte drinking soy boys that the trucks are being marketed towards these days, the type of guy that doesn’t get his hands dirty. talking about “just get a work truck trim or get a new job”. like wow. how insensitive
Sure glad I purchased a new 2nd generation 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro employing that bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 and reliable 6 speed Aisan transmission
Thanks for the video information. Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
I was a week away from buying a 2024 Platinum when I saw the recall. Canceled my reservation right away. I’ll keep my 2022 Frontier with a V6 that won’t explode or shut down when I’m doing 80mph on the highway.
You neglected to mention that poor design is replicated as well. Bad design in Japan would be duplicated in Texas.
Yeah, but this guys an engineer…
I saw a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser 70 at the Toyotafest in Long Beach, California a week ago. It has a turbo charged V8 diesel engine. That is what I want. Toyota is forced to jump through a regulatory gauntlet here in the USA to produce lower emissions vehicles. 2 Million Land Cruiser 70s would have no impact on climate.
I would love a 70 too (though the new one is a 4 cylinder, not the old V8). The main reason they can’t bring it here is due to crash safety. And American’s wouldn’t buy it, so from a business perspective it wouldn’t make sense for them. Americans like luxury, and the 70 is a tractor. I would love to have one, but we are the vast minority.
David, what about all the recalls on the 150? Why should anyone trust any Ford product? Recall after recall after recall....
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has finalized its list of automotive safety recalls for 2022.
Ford Motor Company led all automakers with the most recall alerts in 2022. notified owners to bring their vehicles in for an urgent safety repair 67 times last year. All told, 8,636,265 Ford-built vehicles got a recall notice.
that's why I traded my 2021 F-150. 2 more recall notices last week alone. Almost every month it was in the shop. F-150 features are great but quality is horrible.
The recalls they refute to have nothing to do with engines, my like Wiper Blade Motor, Dash going dark etc. all easily fixed.
I love my F150, and I’ve order a new one, should be hear in late July I hope.
Loaded platinum with new split gate, massaging seats etc!
when a horse power and torque is extremely high result of turbo, crank bearing can be damaged.
When the design Is the result of overnight engineering, the end result is typically a disaster
@@quyle9483overnight engineering? You clearly have zero clue
@OldmanSnake just look at that bottom end girdle. You've got to be kidding me if you think that is remotely well engineered. Toyota has effed up not making a strong enough bottom end for actual heavy duty application on that design. Someone without an engineering degree could have designed far superior.
The worst year to date for the Tundra was 2012. This year alone saw several consumer reports with issues, including the engine, the transmission, and electrical systems. The top issue reported was the air induction pump, which has a high repair cost. Problems were reported, on average, around 74,000 miles, and the price was over $3,000 to repair.
Another critical issue that came out of this year was transmission failure. The transmission is like the heart of a vehicle, and when it gives out, it comes with a number of significant issues attached to it. In the case of the Tundra, issues with the transmission started showing up around 9,700 miles, which is very little for a car with a reputation like Toyota. Average costs for transmission replacement are about $5,000. In 2007, consumer reports showed that the engine was the biggest issue, with some reporting a complete failure. Among the 537 complaints collected from this consumer report, air injection pump failure and knocking pistons were the two complaints.
In addition, there were reported issues with the speed control, with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reporting issues with speed control, engine cooling, and accelerator pedals. These are dangerous issues, but they appear on a small scale compared to other brands.
@@ericswanson9773 Check out how much is to replace this engine and you'll see why people are concerned.
when one comparison the bottom end girdle of the Tundra with aluminum and the bottom end of the for FORD 2.7 iron.
YOUR EYEs will tell you the bottom end of the Tundra is not stout with bracing while the FORD has iron and a ton of bracing
MY EYEs tell me Toyota got cheap and the stress of the turbo and crank and bearing is NOT STOUT enough and the bearing
Is failing from wobble…. I AM SURE YOU KNOW THIS and MY EYEs tell me the Tundra was UNDER ENGINEERED creating failure
Informative, rational and technical explanations that are reassuring to me as an owner of a LX. Thank you, David!
Love your channel, so much interesting information! My wife and I both drive cars built in Japan, 4Runner and GR Corolla. My reasoning was those would be built better than in the USA. I still have confidence those two will last, but I was scared away from a Toyota truck with the recent drive train changes.
That’s what happens when you change things. Things change. While volunteer recalls are standard it’s the nature of the recalls that sounds alarming. How can you properly fix something that concerns engine design?
Good review for the F-150 David. I own one and you absolutly nailed it.
Toyota needs to extend the warranty to minimum 500k miles for both the engine and transmission!
Lot of trims on trucks is there to extract the most money out of the customer. Trucks are now awfully expensive and useless. They barely fit in parking spaces and consumption is middling at best.
Dumped my 22 Tundra for F150 STX 5L.
Thanks for the video David. Is it possible for you to tour the Toyota engine factory and also describe the process the team goes through to solve problems such as the engine debris issue?
I doubt that Toyota is going to let any non-corporate personnel anywhere near the factories for the foreseeable future.
@@doom4067 He just toured a factory in Japan.
I’m sure Toyota will figure this out but I’m going to wait a few more years til the Tundra is reliable again
Not a good start tundra. But tundra in early years of all gens have had problems.
What sets tundra apart is lack of change.
Ford led all manufacturers in total recalls last year. Highest ratings from JD Powers, NHTSA, Consumer Reports have Ram ahead of the others.
And Ford cost cutting concerns me. No rear wheelwell liners, plastic oil pans, door panels look cheap. Where is Ford cutting corners that we cant see? I do like the aluminum body.
I guess they all have issues.
What about Titan?
reason : shitty engine design
David, you mentioned in a previous video the new platform had room for the eight. Solution, bring back the 5.7 or even a diesel.
I’m a Toyota man too. I’d pick the F150 over a lot of other vehicles. Not only other trucks
Just got a 2024 Nissan Titan XD 5.6 gasser. No turbos, no auto stop/start. Simple, tried and true. Vastly underrated truck. Under stressed engine, smooth transmission.
daves auto center had a nissan truck with a bad trans you cant rebuild it just buy a new trans 12000.00 dollars no thanks.
@@kevindodge2103 ever heard of eBay? Plus the 7 and 9 speed JATCOs have proven pretty problem free. I'm sure these people never change their trans fluid (the forgotten maintenance).
That doesn't make sense machining is machining, a flaw is a flaw, they are all affected, just hasn't failed yet.
Nissan Titan is the best bet for reliability until it gets discontinued in August
No lol
@@melvingibson4525yes, lol
@@stever5359I wouldn’t touch anything from Nissan with a 10 foot pole. Good luck getting parts support on a discontinued model. Toy will fix the 3.4t. The F150 and Silverado are good alternatives.
This has become the trendy comment, that Nissan Titan is some godsend to reliability. I like them and so I joined a bunch of their online groups to do more research before purchasing. They are plagued by engine and transmission issues and cheap interior parts, similar to everyone else. Having said that, they don’t come with cylinder deactivation and auto start stop and have good power, so I can see that being worth it for a lot of people.
Stay away from the Titan diesel models. Nissan doesn't sell any parts for the transmission on the diesel Titan. That means when the front main seal ($40 part) fails, you have to purchase the entire transmission ($12K) in order to fix the truck! Brutal!!! 👎
David, Thanks for the review, that had to be tough for you. What’s your thoughts on the new GX550? Would you delay in purchasing with the engines being almost identical???? Also, what is the extended GC holds on many of the GX550 and LC???? Should we be concerned especially with Toyotas lack of transparency on the possible issues and all the speciation building?? Thanks
I like how some people are blaming the bloated tech and EPA mandates on the problem with the Tundra. It has nothing to do with either. It's like they didn't even watch the video. It's simply horrible QC. That's seems to be the biggest issue in the industry. Whether it's driven by bean counters pushing production too hard or just the workers themselves it's seems to be the biggest issue.
The good news is that it can be fixed...the question is do they want to fix it?
Finally!!! I was waiting for you sir . Thank you 🙏🏽
Most welcome!
Superbly Done
I took one of the first Honda Ridgeline’s off the line in 2006 and drove it 450,000 km with no issues. I wanted to trade up to a Tundra from a 2017 manual Tacoma I have but I think I’ll stay put.
I get the fanboyism, I was a Toyota fan for over 40yrs. However, this generation of Toyota's have done a cliff dive in quality/reliability. Now lets realize, that Toyota does not have the size, features or tech of other brands. So without their famous reliability, they are not worth the premium.
Nissan ALREADY gives that warranty on the Titan, WITHOUT these engine problems. Apparently folks woukd rather gamble on Toyota "reliability " than buy a Titan with its proven record AND the 100k warranty. Go figure. And they get an ugly truck to boot
I still drive my 2006 Tundra Double Cab 4.7L with 196k miles. Still running strong!
David, in '22 I chose the F-150 over the Tundra and I couldn't be happier with my choice for all the reasons you mentioned. It has great on road manners.
My biggest criticism of my F-150 is the paint. It's the worst I've ever had in a vehicle. Can you do you paint thickness test please?
What’s concerning is it happened up to 2 years ago and apparently it was corrected as it doesn’t affect the ‘24’s. Major work is/has been done to these engines requiring the whole engine to be removed. People have been without their trucks for weeks according to RUclipsrs I have seen. This is not a ding, but a major dent to Toyota reliability.
The hybrids are not counted in the recall because it is a safety recall and if the engine fails in the hybrid it still could have power to propel the vehicle to a safer location. I expect this recall to grow. Some reports of 2024 model year trucks being affected too which aren’t covered under the recall.
design problem. there is no possible way the machine debris is the reason when no other manufacturer has this problem.
The cool thing about Toyota, is they will always recall any known problems, and Voluntarily.
As where Fords Business model is to Deny deny deny and All of their problems big or small.
Ford and GM have both lost their past Few Class action lawsuits.
It is actually mostly a main bearing oiling problem. That is very difficult to fix without a new bottom end.
I have a 2018 F150 Lariat and it’s junk. It’s put together well - no gaps no rattles, but so many problems. Screen/ computer failed - $1000. At 60k miles hubs and tie rods had to be replaced. $2200. At 1st brake change the rotors “delaminated” and had to be replaced. So Ford thinks rotors should only last as long as brake pads. Heated seats went out. Bed light failed (not the bulb). Automatic release of tailgate doesn’t work. 5 1/2 years old 80k miles. And most of those problems happened before 60k. I’d not buy another F150. Since Tundra has failed there is not a good choice for a full sized truck right now
Debris left after machining is normal? No, just no! It's called poor QC.
Plenty of hybrids are affected but they don’t need a safety recall by law necessarily because the hybrid motor can give motive power to the vehicle so it won’t stop abruptly on the highway.
Years from now i bet it will be found to be the main bearing change that is the issue. Thee change from 4 to a single bearing failed and that caused the metal all over the engine not the machining process
Darn right!
I have 2 24 Tundra's, a Limited & a Plat Hybrid, both with extended warranties after owning Sequoias & 5.7 Tundra's. . BUT as my F150 neighbor says "maybe people will pass on stealing them now" ....
The 2025 Ram 1500 3.0 I6 TT are already having issues as well. It seems all of the snaller displacement turbo engines are having issues. I believe the blocks are contorting causing issues in the bottom end with the bearings and crank
Just traded 2020 f150 for comparable 24 GMC. I had gone back and forth between GM and ford every 6-8 years. I can say with confidence after just owning 2 f150s back to back that the GMC doesn’t quite stack up. I knew what I was buying but I found myself annoyed by some deficiencies. A couple of examples, the app to monitor and start the trucks are free with ford and $15 per month with GM. Slightly less power with 3-4 mpg less. Those were the ones that really got me but the other small things add up. Who knows which one will go 200,000 miles but it really doesn’t matter because I won’t keep it that long.
Ford . fix or repair daily is not for me.
2024 is still happening!!
Right! And Toyota is silent about the root cause. The root cause has to be more than simply manufacturing debris getting embedded in the crankshaft bearings of a small % of engines, which in turn means that more than a mere 1,000-2,000 vehicles mayl need new engines. If the engine design is flawed then it might be true that NONE of the V35A-FTS v6 engines - both past and present, - have traditional levels of Toyota engine crankshaft bearing durability; i.e, 500,000-1,000,000 miles of durability beginning back around 1975.
I wouldn’t touch this new gen Tundra with a 10 ft. pole.
Not all engines... thus the #TundraRoulette expression, you don't know which one will fail. The F-150 is liked because it has a 36-gal fuel tank. You don't have to visit the gas station as often as with the others.
What is your opinion on the Nissan Titan vs Ford with V8 ?
Should we pass Land Cruiser and 4Runner too ?
I would trust those because all Toyota pickups, Vans and SUVs with 4 cylinder engines dating back to the early 1970's have been supremely durable.
My sons 2017 Land Rover- blew its engine at 260,000 miles in Australia
Yes
That’s why you need to change your break in oil at about 800 miles that way if there is any debris in there, you get it out as soon as possible and if you really want to get finicky do it at 400 miles, and open the oil filter and check to see if there’s any particles in there.
David I think it goes back to what they had mentioned in one of your presentation in 2023. That issues will pop-up and that owners should consider that and with later iteration of the Tundra generation those recalls should be taken care of. I think time will tell once more detail comes out whether was a manufacturing process or design fault with the new engine.
I doubt its a metal debris issue. Its more to do with a deaign of the main bearings and perhaps the crankshaft
And at 80k how will the overstressed turbo be
In the verbiage sent to NHTSA, the documents suggested a different oil pressure on the hybrids. Any truth to this?
Could you go over Toyotas most reliable used SUV/Truck All Stars in the past such as the Fj cruiser, Tacoma, Tundras. I know there is usually a group of years where Toyota has perfected these specific years/models. To prove Toyotas reliability and reputation. To also give us other Toyota options from the bullet proof used vehicles series
I’d love it if you could do a full engineering review, because I heard the new f150 has tons of reliability and quality control problems. Like their transmission is pretty unreliable as well as oil leaks and broken differential housings.
Two words: Andon cord.
To be honest it seems like there are problems with the quality of everything made after/during COVID.
I also would not underestimate the impact of stopping and starting production like many of these auto manufacturers have done to manipulate supply/ demand. When you stop production you are allso decreasing the amount of experience that all of your staff have in making the vehicle. I dont think its without consequences.
Does an engine replacement get reported on carfax?
Every warranty repair does.
Thank you. 🙏 much needed video. We were awaiting your perspective 🎉
Hi David, You're the best 👌
Hey, thanks!
Sounds more like a design problem!
I was considering the LX600 now I’m stuck waiting until this is solved.
The metal shavings are wearing the engine so quickly because a turbo spins the engine faster. In other words a turbo engine with 100k has turned over many more times than a non turbo engine. You can’t expect as many reliable miles from them.
Great video I was always a Tundra fan till this new gen that front grill I hate then all the other issues like the price
On all new cars I owned, I have changed the oil at 500 miles and again at 1000 miles for the same reason. Never had an engine problem. And I had notoriously problematic engines like the Ecodiesel and the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost.