It's such an odd choice too since L which was used for "Cancel" in the previous games goes unused. My guess is that they were originally planning on using L to activate Luigi's ideas in battle too as they are in the overworld rather than using a command block which meant they needed a new button for canceling actions which is B in every game except this series.
I saw a comment about the game on another site saying how luigi logic is just luigi doing something regular people would be able to do but wouldn't normally be done in a video game without unlocking it prior and that's really funny thinking about luigi just like. saying the same thing the player is or just generally going "wait why the hell are we doing it this way"
@@largeladygaming Literally. When I watched Luigi just squeeze himself through the open space in the first gate you come across to open it from the other side, I said that exact same thing. I’m very glad that they seem to be embracing the more cartoony aspects of the Mario universe in this game, even more than the previous Mario & Luigi games did.
@@Purechaos61 I expected him to jump past the gate and assumed luigi logic was based on how he's faster and can just higher than mario then... he squeezed through the gate and I realized luigi logic is just him doing the weirdest things possible and it somehow working out
@@Purechaos61 i thought he was gonna slide under the gate so when he squeezed himself and struggled a bit i was thinking "i feel like there's an easier solution than this"
I always interpreted it as everyone thinking about everything in a very straightforward and expected way that you’d expect from a game, and Luigi just starts using his neurodivergence beam, but that’s likely partially projection lmao
There's no need to hope, the fact that we have not only a FULL remake of TTYD and a NEW M&L game makes me 100% confident Nintendo is back in the RPG game!
@@daniellejackson6543 Would be cool, but I don't see it happening, with the success of TTYD remake and Mario RPG I *could* see a return to form of OG paper mario, or even a remake of super paper mario, that would go hard.
I mean, you could interpret Luigi starting to glow as him saying "Hey Mario, i got an idea, wanna hear it?" and pressing L is Mario saying: "Lets-a-go, Luigi!"
Man, the Switch is working really hard to play this game. Hopefully the Switch successor can fix this, but with each game that has this issue (plus it would also solve the occasional frame drops).
For those saying it is too easy, having no wear, gloves, or treasure on makes the game way harder. There's even a challenge to kill 300 enemies with nothing on. Give it a go.
honestly like 9/10 game this is amazing, so fucking peak and even before finishing the game i'm ready and willing to watch bringle go through it all from the beginning there's only a couple things this game could change to make it a 10/10 tbh (just fixing luigi to make him act more like the older games really, that'd push it up to perfection in my eyes)
how does it stack up compared to the previous games? i've heard mixed things about this game, which sorta concerns me since the DS games were my childhood
@@ctpp64 I’ve beaten the game and I’ll just say that while it is phenomenal, it suffers from bloat issues especially near the final stretch of the game. (I’ll avoid saying direct spoilers as to not spoil) The start is slow and until you get your first bros attack the game will feel pretty barren. Once you get battle plugs though the game becomes one of the best in the series. However once you reach the final sea, the game really suffers from bloat and padding, and it sucks cause the journey to that point is so fun but the ending (as fun and climatic as it is) is way too stretched out to really be fun. I’d rate it a 8/10, it’s very very fun and combat is a fucking joy. World exploration is great, and the backtracking isn’t as bad as you might expect as you don’t really need to go back to previous islands unless the game forces you to (it only gets annoying if you’re a completionist as you get bros moves in very far points in the game). It does run into performance issues and can’t keep a consistent 30 FPS if there’s tons of overworld effects (especially if you try to speed up the ship, the game will drop frames like crazy). It’s on par with Dream Team imo in its strengths and weaknesses. Also the game is REALLY fucking funny.
I've got so many things on my plate that this game is going on the backburner for the next few months, but I'm happy to live vicariously through Bringle for the time being.
I’m so tempted to get this game, but I’ve played so many Mario & Luigi games but I’ve never actually committed to beating one. Any plans to try a challenge run of the game?
I'm only skimming through the video right now to see if I want to get it before getting spoiled, and the snippets I've seen of this video are very compelling.
The game is cool, but you get your first bros attack kinda late and its a single hit and it doesnt really help with normal battles so you are basically forced to use jump for a while.
Actually when you get your first bros attack Mario and Luigi get their own specific attacks. The red shell for mario targets one enemy and the green shell for Luigi targets multiple
At least it doesn't make you fight a boss with way too much health and way too lengthy attack patterns with just Mario and Jump as your only attack. *cough* Dreamy Mario *cough*
@@CrushedParagonHoly shit how did i not know?? Well i guess i never even tried the luigi version since they were the same move in like every mario and luigi before.
the hardest possible challenge run for brothership(like all other M&L games) would deff be a minimum kills, or a +1 level per area arc(ie +1 level per boss.) no items, no bros attacks no equipment type of run (Includes the Run-down wear, which can be removed this game, compared to Dream team/Paper Jam) 🤔 called "Nerve Mode" exp seems to vary+all mandatory forced encounters exp would have to be considered in +1 level run, but seeing how big the exp is makes things interesting for as to how to maintain the strict +1 level only, compared to minimum kills. so exceptions for mandatory non-boss fights leveling the bros would have to be made for +1 level since the exp tends to be big and enemies actually level up, a bit like Paper Jam. Battle Plugs are deff debatable, cuz they actually aren't broken at all when playin the game like this. cuz level scaling in brothership goes both ways, esp noticeable on bosses and some enemies. so Battle Plugs are deff legal for this challenge since a majority, even the specialists ones don't matter much. at most it'd technically save a few turns, so its fine. Battle Plugs deff makes this Nerve Mode challenge only slightly easier, since its benefit lies in the bros actual stats+their Gear+Bros attacks to become broken. without equips, items or Bros attacks, its fair game to me. banning Battle Plugs as well will deff make the Nerve mode truly brutal, which's the point. the only way you're allowed use bros attacks+items(due to innate low BP)+Battle plugs in such a scenario, is if a boss somehow heals and Luigi Logic can't stop it somehow extra rule is: after the First strike tutorial Seedle, where both bros will level up to level 2, you're allowed to kill mario vs the Seedle thats right up ahead of the tutorial one so Luigi can have the Same exp as Mario(assuming 2 Seedles for 2 exp, so run and re-enter til mario's done for). I can confirm Brothership's exp is equalized this time much like Superstar Saga GBA or DS BIS. I can also confirm this's the only time a full heal's allowed since you're just equalizing exp. lastly, enemies that have mushrooms in their attack are fair game and the sole exception to no items, its just free healing cuz its literally not your item 🤔
@@MLmaster135 I noticed the level gap SO hard in this game. Seriously, being 2-3 levels below the enemies isn't as small as a gap as it felt like in the other Mario and Luigi games. The new enemies will absolutely destroy you for not being at the same level, and that's something. Also, doing no gear for the challenge medal and it's genuinely an insane experience.
@@flippedmasterguardian minimum battles run would legit be insane cuz of some of the forced encounters later in the game. Plugs are deff needed for some of them cuz reinforcements spawn a lot. the only good news is some of the sidequest bosses can be beaten while severely under-leveled cuz of its simple patterns despite how fast it is. (that one was 35, the bros for me were level 27. I can confirm its completely possible to beat Jump/Hammer only) the probable bad news is most deff that brothership has Paper Jam's Speed stat mechanic, where if the enemy's speed is significantly higher than the bros, they legit get like 2 actions(this's normal) a turn or even 3-4 actions a turn, which some bosses can do cuz the turn order gets screwed up cuz of their high speed, dependin on the bros level. its to the point they go immediately after Mario's turn, and/or go again before Luigi gets his, then immediately after Luigi. I deff know for certain its impossible to beat 1 of the sidequest bosses cuz they heal too much. so at least 2-3 of the 4 sidequest bosses are deff being forced to do, only to reset after winning since it's supposed to be minimum exp. those'll deff be the true challenge in minimum exp. Brothership's Level scaling I see as a good thing cuz from what I've played it consistently keeps the challenge up for a complete no gear run(includes no run-down boots/hammer), even with needing Plugs at certain points
Man it’s sad to see this game getting such mixed reviews. I haven’t bought it back and love the other Mario and Luigi games, but it sounds like Nintendo hasn’t been able to kick many of its worst tutorialization and tedium habits.
Unfortunately Gear Slot is also a trap (At least grabbing it on your first rank up is) All the rest of those give more value the longer you have that bonus since they effect every single level up.
Tbh depends, I didn't want any of the stat boosts on Mario. The new Speed mechanic seems cool but likely isn't relevant in any actually difficult boss fights, Stache is nice but is something you have to hard commit to for it to be worth, and HP isn't a necessary investment in these games if you've played multiple entries unless you're doing a no dodge or something. So I took the Gear Slot and it's worth. I feel way less limited compared to Luigi who got Stache. It plays into his build really well, but not getting a second gear slot until the 3rd rank up is robbery bc a certain second rank up bonus is practically shooting yourself in the foot to not take. I felt like waiting that long was worth w/ Luigi bc he gets the crit booster really early on, so he doesn't really need more gear until later. But Mario benefits a lot more from having that flexibility. Honestly I just love how it made me think hard about that choice though, like I really had to ruminate on what I wanted to do for each bro.
The battles are great, timing and reaction base which I need The world puzzles some of them can be boring though for me 8/10 for me the battle are the main course
@MarceloKatayama perhaps I haven't played Bowser's inside Story and Paper Jam in a while, but I don't remember her being an outright bully! Sassy, yes, but hurtful? I don't think so...
@@karlhnedkovsky5214 She's absolutely nasty in paper jam, that much I can tell you. She occasionally had some really mean spirited comments towards luigi in BIS, but in paper jam she is the worst. As for snoutlet, I don't know anything about the fellow. I am certainly not defending him, but starlow is horrible in paper jam.
@@MarceloKatayama again, I don't know for sure, since I haven't played BIS, DT and PJ in a hot minute. Though if you compare the two, I think Starlow is a way more fleshed out character!
I love mario and luigi, but honestly i feel a little turned off by the artstyle and some of the gameplay changes I’ve seen. Anyone else have the same reservations that has played it? Any thoughts?
Huh, I don't mind the artstyle in the slightest I think it looks good but I guess its a personal preference thing. The gameplay doesn't really feel that changed either, it just feels like a Mario and Luigi game.
@@aydenmoens175 movement on the map is "8 directions" despite being on a console with joysticks. Luigi is now kinda his own NPC, you order him around as if you were playing only mario. Selecting luigi's battle action with A is a war crime. Using both bros in regular attacks is a war crime. You can no longer atribute extra points when leveling up. UI is bland. The pig helper character is ugly. So far the story has been ever so slightly above paper jam to me. Mario and Luigi sound different (though it's because the VA changed, but it will be a while before I consider the new one as good as Martinet) The Ship Currents mechanic seems fun though
It's such an indictment against the game that the first 2 hours or so won't have a boss fight for most people. Or only 1 if you're pushing it, and the tutorial by then isn't exactly done. The timing of hammer counterattacks feels *odd* to me, like there's a weird delay to it that isn't present with the hammer attacks or jump attacks. Also don't like the time sensitive quests but it's great that the game's transparent about what needs urgently completed, what can be completed and what islands have quests you can take on. The currents system feels cool too but I'd honestly just prefer the ability to dock at a certain island and to be able to get rid of the map in the top left. Having to wait for the ship to catch up with the island is a bit dumb.
The game ends up being alright, but the first, like, 10 hours is completely miserable. You barely get any Bros Attacks, so the vast, vast majority of combat is just basic Jumps and Hammers. The tutorializing of everything is TERRIBLE. It's incredibly rare that any cutscene really tells you anything interesting or even something you didn't already know. There's an obnoxious amount of flashbacks given to complete nobody characters that I just don't care about. But, if you stick through it, it does eventually get better. Not great but decent. Mario RPGs used to be so good. TTYD and Bowser's Inside Story are phenomenal, but Nintendo just refuses to stick to what worked, and all their attempts at innovation just ruin what was once a perfect formula.
I wouldn’t call the first ten hours miserable. They aren’t anywhere near as good as the game gets later, but they aren’t offensive. I don’t understand the tutorial complaints since most are text boxes you can skip at anytime and when the camera pans somewhere you can hold B to skip it.
@@ThomasJohnson-o9f You can't hold B to skip it, you can only hold B to slightly fast forward it. You can only skip full-blown cutscenes. Which doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of it is not only unnecessary, but actively strips the player's agency and ability to learn, explore, and understand game systems of their own volition. It's the same reason why games like God of War constantly having supporting characters give you "hints" to solve puzzles whenever you don't instantly solve it in five seconds is intrusive on the player experience. A better game would include an option to automatically skip tutorials that the player could opt into but even the solution being able to skip large swathes of gameplay further demonstrate how negatively those swathes reflect on the game at large. Beyond that, I'll just say that the game never really gets all that great. At least, not as far as I've gotten (Bowser's Castle), although I guess there is still a small portion of game left to cover. Honestly, this game has had the horrifying effect of not only being an incredibly long slog but also making me retroactively wonder if any of the Mario and Luigi games were ever good. Was every game before this really just a bunch of repetitive turn based combat with, like, 4 Bros Attacks per character and next to no variety in the combat beyond the enemies having their own attack patterns? Turn-based RPG combat is entirely predicated on providing the player with a wide variety of similarly viable combat options making every turn require deliberation and meaningful decision making, but 95% of this game has just been spamming Jumps and Hammer on flying and spiked enemies respectively with the occasional use of a Bros Attack with newer Attacks regularly invalidating former ones. I don't even know the last time I used Mario's Red Shell attack considering every new Bros Attack he's gotten since then did the exact same thing better. The beans are useless since they only give you 1 point in a stat when I can level up and gain 7+ points in the same stat. Defensive stats are useless since you can just avoid every attack. Mario and Luigi automatically distributing stats on level up removes the ability to really define their playstyle resulting in them both just being vaguely fine at everything. Yeah, I guess Luigi has more health or whatever but it never really matters. Gear is largely generic and provides just raw stats and minor bonus effects that don't really define gameplay patterns. All of the out-of-combat Bros Moves you get are used exclusively for getting past overworld obstacles whereas the similar actions in previous games had interesting puzzle-solving applications. Luigi is barely even a playable character outside of combat, being almost completely replaced by a context-sensitive action button that just tells him to do stuff. Everything about this game is a pale imitation of what came before it, I don't know that I can think of even a single thing about this that I like more than BIS did. I guess the Battle Plug system is kind of novel but it's just a bunch of passive upgrades to the same three actions you've been doing the entire game and most of them are just boring "Basic attacks do more damage" options. What's the difference between the Extra Attack plug, the Spike Ball plug, and the Fiery/Icy plugs? Everything good there is to say about Brothership is broad statements that could be said about every Mario and Luigi. Action-based dodging enemy attacks in combat is still fun. The idea of simultaneously playing as Mario and Luigi is cool, not that it matters when Luigi's been demoted to a companion character ala Ashley from RE4 or Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite. The writing is sometimes funny. Sometimes.
idk this is such a mixed bag bc i like the animations for mario and luigi but all the other characters besides the first real boss fight suck like the plug people look so generic, like a knock of sims game. also the world feels like it was mashed together with like 4 seperate concepts and they just said fuck it and did them all but not of them really well besides maybe the windwakeyness of the world being kinda intresting. all the dialouge is so bland and basically just tutorial shit 24/7 and not much that is actually intresting or even makes sense with the story like. anyone notice how willma, someone who has literally lost her kids due to the world she used know breaking apart is not only super nonchalant about that but also then gives both mario and luigi potentially one of her only things to remind her of her lost kids despite them just being like. complete strangers... that was so wild lmao idk i wish nintendo would stop wasting dialouge with basically just tutorial bs but shit i would actually care about. also as much as the attack animations are really damn good considering youll probably need to gring at some point during their game i can only assume is meant to be long as balls, it will defintely start to be tedious to have sit through it every single time, they shouldve definetly used those cool animations for something you didnt have to sit and wait though every time u eant to attack in battle. i will say that one major boss fight looked really promissing so idk
Music-Great! Gameplay-mindlessly boring Story-incredibly childish/predictable/boring TTYD, BIS, Paper Mario are some of my favorite games! So it’s sad that 99% of the gameplay loop is doing incredibly simple and obvious tasks and clicking through predictable and uninteresting text.
This game is great, but the one thing I dislike is that Luigi selects his commands with A. Just fix that, and the game gets much better.
Halfway through and i'm still getting used to it...
@@piplupfan5106 I agree.
*Hacks the game just to change it to B
It's such an odd choice too since L which was used for "Cancel" in the previous games goes unused. My guess is that they were originally planning on using L to activate Luigi's ideas in battle too as they are in the overworld rather than using a command block which meant they needed a new button for canceling actions which is B in every game except this series.
I’m in the 3rd sea and I’m finally getting used to it, but I still fuck up the occasional jump after selecting w A.
2:46
“You have to let-a go, Brother. The accident wasn’t your fault-a. It’s been 3 years, Mario.”
I saw a comment about the game on another site saying how luigi logic is just luigi doing something regular people would be able to do but wouldn't normally be done in a video game without unlocking it prior and that's really funny thinking about luigi just like. saying the same thing the player is or just generally going "wait why the hell are we doing it this way"
@@largeladygaming Literally. When I watched Luigi just squeeze himself through the open space in the first gate you come across to open it from the other side, I said that exact same thing.
I’m very glad that they seem to be embracing the more cartoony aspects of the Mario universe in this game, even more than the previous Mario & Luigi games did.
@@Purechaos61 I expected him to jump past the gate and assumed luigi logic was based on how he's faster and can just higher than mario then... he squeezed through the gate and I realized luigi logic is just him doing the weirdest things possible and it somehow working out
@@Purechaos61 i thought he was gonna slide under the gate so when he squeezed himself and struggled a bit i was thinking "i feel like there's an easier solution than this"
I always interpreted it as everyone thinking about everything in a very straightforward and expected way that you’d expect from a game, and Luigi just starts using his neurodivergence beam, but that’s likely partially projection lmao
I love how Mario and Luigi take inspiration from their old bros attacks for their hammer and jump
I really hope this and the TYYD remake doing well will incentivize Nintendo to make more of these games
There's no need to hope, the fact that we have not only a FULL remake of TTYD and a NEW M&L game makes me 100% confident Nintendo is back in the RPG game!
@@anstupid4093and the remake Mario RPG
@@anstupid4093 I would kinda love to see a new mario rpg series made.
@@daniellejackson6543 Would be cool, but I don't see it happening, with the success of TTYD remake and Mario RPG I *could* see a return to form of OG paper mario, or even a remake of super paper mario, that would go hard.
24:44 You are meant to revisit past islands while the boat is traveling. New areas unlock every time you connect a new island.
luigi refuses to use his brain unless you press the l button. think abt that.
@@samschofield9452 Only if you press the L button first
Relatable tbh
@@garrettattaway418 Fuck that was good
I mean, you could interpret Luigi starting to glow as him saying "Hey Mario, i got an idea, wanna hear it?" and pressing L is Mario saying: "Lets-a-go, Luigi!"
Well hey, at least he does use his brain eventually unlike most video game protagonists.
Man, the Switch is working really hard to play this game. Hopefully the Switch successor can fix this, but with each game that has this issue (plus it would also solve the occasional frame drops).
For those saying it is too easy, having no wear, gloves, or treasure on makes the game way harder. There's even a challenge to kill 300 enemies with nothing on. Give it a go.
That challenge doesn't include hammers/boots btw! Just pants and equipment
Also, every Mario RPG is easy, so this being easy should not come as a surprise.
Rude thumbnail. Arrow pointing at luigi "any good?" Ofc luigi is good bro. He is the superior bro
Happy Luigium Cube Day 🟩
Quake hammer is better
do you think the all new mazda cx 90 will be in the game
honestly like 9/10 game this is amazing, so fucking peak and even before finishing the game i'm ready and willing to watch bringle go through it all from the beginning
there's only a couple things this game could change to make it a 10/10 tbh (just fixing luigi to make him act more like the older games really, that'd push it up to perfection in my eyes)
how does it stack up compared to the previous games? i've heard mixed things about this game, which sorta concerns me since the DS games were my childhood
at this point the only game better than it in my eyes is Inside Story (still haven't finished Brothership yet as well)
@@thatcloveplant ooh that's high praise
yeah it's really damn good, such an amazing game
@@ctpp64 I’ve beaten the game and I’ll just say that while it is phenomenal, it suffers from bloat issues especially near the final stretch of the game.
(I’ll avoid saying direct spoilers as to not spoil)
The start is slow and until you get your first bros attack the game will feel pretty barren. Once you get battle plugs though the game becomes one of the best in the series. However once you reach the final sea, the game really suffers from bloat and padding, and it sucks cause the journey to that point is so fun but the ending (as fun and climatic as it is) is way too stretched out to really be fun.
I’d rate it a 8/10, it’s very very fun and combat is a fucking joy. World exploration is great, and the backtracking isn’t as bad as you might expect as you don’t really need to go back to previous islands unless the game forces you to (it only gets annoying if you’re a completionist as you get bros moves in very far points in the game). It does run into performance issues and can’t keep a consistent 30 FPS if there’s tons of overworld effects (especially if you try to speed up the ship, the game will drop frames like crazy). It’s on par with Dream Team imo in its strengths and weaknesses.
Also the game is REALLY fucking funny.
I've got so many things on my plate that this game is going on the backburner for the next few months, but I'm happy to live vicariously through Bringle for the time being.
19:18 I was half expecting Luigi to summon a keyblade and unlock it. Sad that he didn't.
13:45 Superstar Saga, you can pick up Barrels
I’m so tempted to get this game, but I’ve played so many Mario & Luigi games but I’ve never actually committed to beating one.
Any plans to try a challenge run of the game?
Maybe we'll get to see the Bringle do some Mario and Luigi challenges in the future
Connie: "Mario and Luigi, you cam here from another world, right?"
Me: "Oh, cool, an isekai." /s
29:03 shoutouts to Luigi dabbing
"shoutouts to POOP GAMING" -bringle, 2024 (sadly didn't make it into this video)
47:20 Xenoblade Chronicles fans know the agony of time-limited sidequests.
...Alcamoth
I'm only skimming through the video right now to see if I want to get it before getting spoiled, and the snippets I've seen of this video are very compelling.
The game is cool, but you get your first bros attack kinda late and its a single hit and it doesnt really help with normal battles so you are basically forced to use jump for a while.
When you get your first Bros. Attack it's actually different for each bro. Luigi's hits multiple targets while Mario's is one big hit
Actually when you get your first bros attack Mario and Luigi get their own specific attacks. The red shell for mario targets one enemy and the green shell for Luigi targets multiple
At least it doesn't make you fight a boss with way too much health and way too lengthy attack patterns with just Mario and Jump as your only attack. *cough* Dreamy Mario *cough*
@@CrushedParagonHoly shit how did i not know?? Well i guess i never even tried the luigi version since they were the same move in like every mario and luigi before.
@@TheGlitch260same here, ate my words completely since I just assumed luigi's attack was the same.
LOVE U BRINGLE!!!!!!!!!
the hardest possible challenge run for brothership(like all other M&L games) would deff be a minimum kills,
or a +1 level per area arc(ie +1 level per boss.) no items, no bros attacks no equipment type of run
(Includes the Run-down wear, which can be removed this game, compared to Dream team/Paper Jam) 🤔
called "Nerve Mode"
exp seems to vary+all mandatory forced encounters exp would have to be considered in +1 level run, but seeing how big the exp is makes things interesting for as to how to maintain the strict +1 level only,
compared to minimum kills.
so exceptions for mandatory non-boss fights leveling the bros would have to be made for +1 level since the exp tends to be big and enemies actually level up, a bit like Paper Jam.
Battle Plugs are deff debatable, cuz they actually aren't broken at all when playin the game like this.
cuz level scaling in brothership goes both ways, esp noticeable on bosses and some enemies.
so Battle Plugs are deff legal for this challenge since a majority, even the specialists ones don't matter much.
at most it'd technically save a few turns, so its fine.
Battle Plugs deff makes this Nerve Mode challenge only slightly easier,
since its benefit lies in the bros actual stats+their Gear+Bros attacks to become broken.
without equips, items or Bros attacks, its fair game to me.
banning Battle Plugs as well will deff make the Nerve mode truly brutal, which's the point.
the only way you're allowed use bros attacks+items(due to innate low BP)+Battle plugs in such a scenario,
is if a boss somehow heals and Luigi Logic can't stop it somehow
extra rule is: after the First strike tutorial Seedle, where both bros will level up to level 2, you're allowed to kill mario vs the Seedle thats right up ahead of the tutorial one so Luigi can have the Same exp as Mario(assuming 2 Seedles for 2 exp, so run and re-enter til mario's done for).
I can confirm Brothership's exp is equalized this time much like Superstar Saga GBA or DS BIS.
I can also confirm this's the only time a full heal's allowed since you're just equalizing exp.
lastly, enemies that have mushrooms in their attack are fair game and the sole exception to no items, its just free healing cuz its literally not your item 🤔
@@MLmaster135 I noticed the level gap SO hard in this game.
Seriously, being 2-3 levels below the enemies isn't as small as a gap as it felt like in the other Mario and Luigi games.
The new enemies will absolutely destroy you for not being at the same level, and that's something.
Also, doing no gear for the challenge medal and it's genuinely an insane experience.
@@flippedmasterguardian minimum battles run would legit be insane cuz of some of the forced encounters later in the game. Plugs are deff needed for some of them cuz reinforcements spawn a lot.
the only good news is some of the sidequest bosses can be beaten while severely under-leveled cuz of its simple patterns despite how fast it is.
(that one was 35, the bros for me were level 27. I can confirm its completely possible to beat Jump/Hammer only)
the probable bad news is most deff that brothership has Paper Jam's Speed stat mechanic,
where if the enemy's speed is significantly higher than the bros, they legit get like 2 actions(this's normal) a turn
or even 3-4 actions a turn, which some bosses can do cuz the turn order gets screwed up cuz of their high speed,
dependin on the bros level.
its to the point they go immediately after Mario's turn, and/or go again before Luigi gets his, then immediately after Luigi.
I deff know for certain its impossible to beat 1 of the sidequest bosses cuz they heal too much.
so at least 2-3 of the 4 sidequest bosses are deff being forced to do,
only to reset after winning since it's supposed to be minimum exp.
those'll deff be the true challenge in minimum exp.
Brothership's Level scaling I see as a good thing
cuz from what I've played it consistently keeps the challenge up for a complete no gear run(includes no run-down boots/hammer),
even with needing Plugs at certain points
The haft on those hammers is an actual crime
First IGN gave Sparking Zero a 7, but giving BrotherShip a 5 crossed the line 😭
IGN gave Pokemon SwSh a 9.3 and Sonic Colors Ultimate an 8. I’ve accepted that anything IGN says is downright lying.
Veilguard got like a 10/10 or something insane like that. Never rely on critic scores anymore from IGN.
The little plug people make me think of "Bombermen" and I'm here for their designs!
14:28 no its a reference to old people from real life
@stagelights_ I liked this comment more than I should have
7:15 Dream Team's arena did, but they were very inaccurate
Bringle turned from Paper Mario entusiast to JRPG Mario games Entusiast
Man it’s sad to see this game getting such mixed reviews. I haven’t bought it back and love the other Mario and Luigi games, but it sounds like Nintendo hasn’t been able to kick many of its worst tutorialization and tedium habits.
Unfortunately Gear Slot is also a trap (At least grabbing it on your first rank up is) All the rest of those give more value the longer you have that bonus since they effect every single level up.
Tbh depends, I didn't want any of the stat boosts on Mario. The new Speed mechanic seems cool but likely isn't relevant in any actually difficult boss fights, Stache is nice but is something you have to hard commit to for it to be worth, and HP isn't a necessary investment in these games if you've played multiple entries unless you're doing a no dodge or something. So I took the Gear Slot and it's worth. I feel way less limited compared to Luigi who got Stache. It plays into his build really well, but not getting a second gear slot until the 3rd rank up is robbery bc a certain second rank up bonus is practically shooting yourself in the foot to not take. I felt like waiting that long was worth w/ Luigi bc he gets the crit booster really early on, so he doesn't really need more gear until later. But Mario benefits a lot more from having that flexibility. Honestly I just love how it made me think hard about that choice though, like I really had to ruminate on what I wanted to do for each bro.
Now minimum exp challenge
I've been having a lot of fun with the game. The 100 Hammer Rally hits still elude me though. I keep choking at the end. Best I've gotten is 94.
The 100 hammer rally is brutal. They must’ve changed the timing there, I was stuck at 94 for thirty minutes before I finally beat it
@@dbc3015Hammer Rally at 94 gets extra fast, so you gotta go faster at around 90-92 so that you can get 95-100 easier.
Honestly I was shocked with the button for Luigi but I got pretty used to it A is selecting for both but Luigi still attacks with the B button
The battles are great, timing and reaction base which I need
The world puzzles some of them can be boring though for me
8/10 for me the battle are the main course
If the menu is just blocks you jump to hit, and you make luigi jump with b, why is selecting menu blocks with him a???
I love this game.
I got +Stache on Rank Ups to go with the Luck Charm DX
Plz play whole game! 😍
Twitter / X says no, so yes, it is good
also IGN give it a bad review, so it is contester of GotY
Starlow is in the game btw…
It’s a long ass game, they cooked. Though someone please tell me…
WHY CAN’T YOU PRESS B TO SELECT LUIGI’S ATTACK
The game seems great so far. Though the lack of bros attacks in the early game is sad.
Amazing game
Answer: Yes!!!
the puns make me hate this game in a good way 😂😂
Nope, that's THE boss theme
Am i the only one who took 20+ minutes to do that
BP!
I'm not feeling Snoutlet! Starlow is a much better guide, plus the queen of sass!
But she bullied Luigi so much. You can't be better when doing that.
@MarceloKatayama perhaps I haven't played Bowser's inside Story and Paper Jam in a while, but I don't remember her being an outright bully! Sassy, yes, but hurtful? I don't think so...
@MarceloKatayama Plus what is Snoutlet as a character? Generic bubbly extrovert. Starlow has character.
@@karlhnedkovsky5214 She's absolutely nasty in paper jam, that much I can tell you. She occasionally had some really mean spirited comments towards luigi in BIS, but in paper jam she is the worst.
As for snoutlet, I don't know anything about the fellow. I am certainly not defending him, but starlow is horrible in paper jam.
@@MarceloKatayama again, I don't know for sure, since I haven't played BIS, DT and PJ in a hot minute. Though if you compare the two, I think Starlow is a way more fleshed out character!
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What is that thumbnail?
Game should be renamed from brothership to THE ONE PEICE
I love mario and luigi, but honestly i feel a little turned off by the artstyle and some of the gameplay changes I’ve seen. Anyone else have the same reservations that has played it? Any thoughts?
Bringing it back to the store as soon as I can, didn't click with me, I'm so disappointed
@@uuytk why
Huh, I don't mind the artstyle in the slightest I think it looks good but I guess its a personal preference thing. The gameplay doesn't really feel that changed either, it just feels like a Mario and Luigi game.
@@aydenmoens175 movement on the map is "8 directions" despite being on a console with joysticks.
Luigi is now kinda his own NPC, you order him around as if you were playing only mario. Selecting luigi's battle action with A is a war crime. Using both bros in regular attacks is a war crime. You can no longer atribute extra points when leveling up. UI is bland. The pig helper character is ugly. So far the story has been ever so slightly above paper jam to me. Mario and Luigi sound different (though it's because the VA changed, but it will be a while before I consider the new one as good as Martinet)
The Ship Currents mechanic seems fun though
@@uuytk The story really ramps up at the end. I'd recommend giving it another shot. The other stuff feels like nitpicking tbh
It's such an indictment against the game that the first 2 hours or so won't have a boss fight for most people. Or only 1 if you're pushing it, and the tutorial by then isn't exactly done. The timing of hammer counterattacks feels *odd* to me, like there's a weird delay to it that isn't present with the hammer attacks or jump attacks.
Also don't like the time sensitive quests but it's great that the game's transparent about what needs urgently completed, what can be completed and what islands have quests you can take on. The currents system feels cool too but I'd honestly just prefer the ability to dock at a certain island and to be able to get rid of the map in the top left. Having to wait for the ship to catch up with the island is a bit dumb.
i saw the IGN review of this game and am very disappointed
i decided against buying it if it really is that bad
You saw the single bad review of the game, every other outlet gives the game a good review
Lesson learned hopefully. If IGN reviewers tell you snow is white then they are lying.
The game ends up being alright, but the first, like, 10 hours is completely miserable. You barely get any Bros Attacks, so the vast, vast majority of combat is just basic Jumps and Hammers. The tutorializing of everything is TERRIBLE. It's incredibly rare that any cutscene really tells you anything interesting or even something you didn't already know. There's an obnoxious amount of flashbacks given to complete nobody characters that I just don't care about. But, if you stick through it, it does eventually get better. Not great but decent. Mario RPGs used to be so good. TTYD and Bowser's Inside Story are phenomenal, but Nintendo just refuses to stick to what worked, and all their attempts at innovation just ruin what was once a perfect formula.
Boss music is a massive letdown
I wouldn’t call the first ten hours miserable. They aren’t anywhere near as good as the game gets later, but they aren’t offensive. I don’t understand the tutorial complaints since most are text boxes you can skip at anytime and when the camera pans somewhere you can hold B to skip it.
@@ThomasJohnson-o9f You can't hold B to skip it, you can only hold B to slightly fast forward it. You can only skip full-blown cutscenes. Which doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of it is not only unnecessary, but actively strips the player's agency and ability to learn, explore, and understand game systems of their own volition. It's the same reason why games like God of War constantly having supporting characters give you "hints" to solve puzzles whenever you don't instantly solve it in five seconds is intrusive on the player experience. A better game would include an option to automatically skip tutorials that the player could opt into but even the solution being able to skip large swathes of gameplay further demonstrate how negatively those swathes reflect on the game at large.
Beyond that, I'll just say that the game never really gets all that great. At least, not as far as I've gotten (Bowser's Castle), although I guess there is still a small portion of game left to cover. Honestly, this game has had the horrifying effect of not only being an incredibly long slog but also making me retroactively wonder if any of the Mario and Luigi games were ever good. Was every game before this really just a bunch of repetitive turn based combat with, like, 4 Bros Attacks per character and next to no variety in the combat beyond the enemies having their own attack patterns? Turn-based RPG combat is entirely predicated on providing the player with a wide variety of similarly viable combat options making every turn require deliberation and meaningful decision making, but 95% of this game has just been spamming Jumps and Hammer on flying and spiked enemies respectively with the occasional use of a Bros Attack with newer Attacks regularly invalidating former ones. I don't even know the last time I used Mario's Red Shell attack considering every new Bros Attack he's gotten since then did the exact same thing better. The beans are useless since they only give you 1 point in a stat when I can level up and gain 7+ points in the same stat. Defensive stats are useless since you can just avoid every attack. Mario and Luigi automatically distributing stats on level up removes the ability to really define their playstyle resulting in them both just being vaguely fine at everything. Yeah, I guess Luigi has more health or whatever but it never really matters. Gear is largely generic and provides just raw stats and minor bonus effects that don't really define gameplay patterns. All of the out-of-combat Bros Moves you get are used exclusively for getting past overworld obstacles whereas the similar actions in previous games had interesting puzzle-solving applications. Luigi is barely even a playable character outside of combat, being almost completely replaced by a context-sensitive action button that just tells him to do stuff. Everything about this game is a pale imitation of what came before it, I don't know that I can think of even a single thing about this that I like more than BIS did. I guess the Battle Plug system is kind of novel but it's just a bunch of passive upgrades to the same three actions you've been doing the entire game and most of them are just boring "Basic attacks do more damage" options. What's the difference between the Extra Attack plug, the Spike Ball plug, and the Fiery/Icy plugs? Everything good there is to say about Brothership is broad statements that could be said about every Mario and Luigi. Action-based dodging enemy attacks in combat is still fun. The idea of simultaneously playing as Mario and Luigi is cool, not that it matters when Luigi's been demoted to a companion character ala Ashley from RE4 or Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite. The writing is sometimes funny. Sometimes.
@@Ikethelord3 Fair, though many issues you defined are actually issues I have with TTYD more than M&L Brothership.
idk this is such a mixed bag bc i like the animations for mario and luigi but all the other characters besides the first real boss fight suck like the plug people look so generic, like a knock of sims game. also the world feels like it was mashed together with like 4 seperate concepts and they just said fuck it and did them all but not of them really well besides maybe the windwakeyness of the world being kinda intresting. all the dialouge is so bland and basically just tutorial shit 24/7 and not much that is actually intresting or even makes sense with the story like. anyone notice how willma, someone who has literally lost her kids due to the world she used know breaking apart is not only super nonchalant about that but also then gives both mario and luigi potentially one of her only things to remind her of her lost kids despite them just being like. complete strangers... that was so wild lmao idk i wish nintendo would stop wasting dialouge with basically just tutorial bs but shit i would actually care about. also as much as the attack animations are really damn good considering youll probably need to gring at some point during their game i can only assume is meant to be long as balls, it will defintely start to be tedious to have sit through it every single time, they shouldve definetly used those cool animations for something you didnt have to sit and wait though every time u eant to attack in battle. i will say that one major boss fight looked really promissing so idk
I like your points and understand them, but as a heads up I would encourage you to use more punctuation so it seems less like a rant.
Music-Great!
Gameplay-mindlessly boring
Story-incredibly childish/predictable/boring
TTYD, BIS, Paper Mario are some of my favorite games! So it’s sad that 99% of the gameplay loop is doing incredibly simple and obvious tasks and clicking through predictable and uninteresting text.
Unsubing temporarily to avoid spoilers.
For those worried about the load times with this game, the Switch successor will cut the load times due to the better hardware.
Returning it back to the store as soon as possible, I don't like it at all