Catamarans Suck
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- Catamarans Suck
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I've been sailing for over 35 years and have circumnavigated the globe multiple times. The first thing I've learned is humility and being careful about what I say. I've owned monohulls of various sizes, exploring different construction materials, from regular boats to high-performance ones. Currently, I own an aluminum catamaran designed for exploration. Why? It all depends on your project, whether you live aboard, the size of your crew, and how much time you'll spend at jetty. It also depends on what you want to see and visit. From the 70s to today, catamarans have undergone a complete transformation, offering extraordinary navigation choices. Naturally, they cost more! Everything is doubled: multihull instead of monohull, 2 rudders, 2 helms, 2 engines, and so on. Builders have higher costs and require more personnel. The catamaran market is continuously growing to meet different needs, and it's satisfying them. I won't go into extremely technical details, but I'm at your complete disposal if you want to discuss further. Marinas are undoubtedly more expensive, occupying 2 berths. If I'm not using my catamaran, I can charter it to cover the berth costs... try doing that with a monohull!! The satisfaction my catamaran is giving me is unmatched. It's much safer and more comfortable during ocean crossings, and the new sail plans allow for better upwind performance. With 2 engines I can safely anchor in any situation, and on the water, it's a fast ride... certainly not with catamarans like Lagoon; they serve a different purpose, not for Bluewater sailing. Maintenance-wise, my partner and I handle 70% of it ourselves. Catamarans have marvelous spaces and storage compartments everywhere. They are much easier to navigate. Now, if you want to talk about Draggerboards or Centerboards, that's a different story. If you've had a negative experience with a catamaran, I would advise you not to influence people who have a desire to sail because what you're saying might be partly true, but it always depends on how they're used. You would never buy new boats... You have no idea what you're talking about. They certainly cost much more, but they offer incredible guarantees and assistance... it's just a matter of your budget. I would never buy old boats; they're a real nightmare for ordinary people, not to mention the international insurance issues.
😅😅😅😅 wow! Thanks for sharing
Which is the best all-rounded catamaran for trans Atlantic crossings?
I completely agree with what you're saying. We're not racers but cruisers, maybe that's why I prefer aluminum over a composite with carbon reinforcements, without taking away from the extreme quality of such hulls. We're also not into daggerboards. The maintenance of a boat must be constant and meticulously planned to the best extent possible. In the case of extraordinary events, one must accept them and be ready to face them; it's part of the game.Whatever boat a person buys should be suitable for what they want to do, and I advise studying it thoroughly before making a purchase. Every boat is alive, and you have to get to know it. The more complex they are, the more maintenance they require. Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it
@@renatoardigo5829 You are very knowledgeable mate and humble enough to reply to some of us plebs. So I thank you for this.
Hey there! The person writing to you is simply a sailor, so every opinion is extremely personal and subjective. There are various highly interesting catamarans on the market, but it all depends on your project. Let's start:
How many people would be part of your crew?
How much time do you intend to sail in a year?
What is your budget (new or used)?*
What is your experience and that of your crew?
Have you already sailed on a catamaran? Are you capable of maintenance?
Based on this information, I would be more than happy, just like many others, to give you my personal opinion. Personally, I always start with the construction material. Let me know and fair winds!
An old salt once told me that every boat is a compromise somewhere, and that learning to sail is the easy part, the hard part is learning which compromises you are willing to live with.
Like Marriage 👌
Very true
This is like saying luxury cars suck because I can’t afford one
you don't understand that for the price of a cat you can get a better monohull :-)
All I hear is a boat that is twice as big costs twice as much. 😆
More than twice as much.
The tech level is important to this. Epoxy/triaxial carbon fiber costs a whole lot more than polyester / e-glass mat and woven roving.
A Catamaran = comfort and safety
If you can't afford if you can't afford it.
They dont suck, you just didn't have enough money.
A million dollar monohull blows away a million dollar cat in comfort, safety, and beauty.
@@vmigop Beauty is always subjective...safety? Nope! Higher speed, almost unsinkable, almost impossible to capsize, less draught. Comfort? Now you are being ridiculous.
@@vmigop i thought one true advantage of Cats is comfort. This video is poor and just complain that Catamarans are expensive. One thing he said about noise but did not properly elaborate why its more noisy... The guy and you sounds like you are just some kind of a monohull elitist lol.
@@jeanmuyuela8112 They are more noisy because sound echoes between the two hulls. You get used to it after a few trips and it's really not that bad.
@@vmigop You just need a 2 million dollar catamaran to perform a million dollar monohull again it's a matter of money but safety you can't match even half million dollar catamaran is safer than Million monohull
I owned a SF 40 for a decade. I ran it mostly between Florida & the Bahamas. I never thought it "sucked", nor did any of my guests. I was hauled in Florida and in the Bahamas, no problem. It is much cheaper to keep a boat (any boat) in the Bahamas than in Florida (1 Month in Florida = 1 year in the Bahamas). The sailing action is much "snappier", the catamaran always tries to assume the attitude of the seas, not the rolling of the monohulls, should you get tired of walking on the walls. I especially liked the fact that my boat did not have a lead keel trying to drag it to the bottom. My boat would not sink ! Take on water if holed, sure, but sink ? never. Downside is, all catamarans pound when the waves get sufficiently large. They also encourage putting more "stuff" on the boat than you should have. Catamarans are VERY comfortable, fast, and rugged. I would also add that I frequently single handed my boat, no crew needed. Give them a look.
Great info. I'd love to live that life. Never heard the Bahamas deal on boat. That's the trick
What marinas in the Bahamas are reasonable cost wise to keep a 40 foot cat? Thanks
Pounding in a catamaran is mostly a function of bridgedeck clearance, which varies a lot.
@@timdunn2257 Yes, the clearance varies a lot. I would say anything under 1.5 feet will be hard to live with. Look at the SF 50, to the best of my knowledge, it does not pound, whatever the sea state.
I’m not sure a 40ft monohull is a great comparison to a 40ft catamaran. The catamaran is a lot more boat space-wise and doesn’t have the same hull speed limitation. I would think a better comparison is with a larger mono hull.
Was more of just a price comparison, I would get a catamaran if I could afford it
So catamaran’s suck because you can’t afford one?
@@DB-lk5tt yes
Exactly. It's not apples-to-apples comparison
yeah, talking about how everything cost double and how it takes double the space in yard or the marina, while purposely ignoring you got double the boat too. Although get it, 40 is the bare minimum you want for crossings so that's why the comparison is so unbalanced.-
I was going to buy a 40' Catamaran but now I think I'm just going to buy a jet ski.
Hahah, thats alright, for the price of a 40 ft cat you could get a far better mono or a really nice paddleboard
@@ChasingLatitudes Or lots and lots of tickets on cruise ships with restaurants, casinos and a swimming pool.
LOL. And a barge trailing along behind for the fuel?
I love catamaran. They are great to live on. Lots of space outside, where you want to be, not in the basement. But you are right, too expensive to purchase and to maintain. Sadly, I cannot afford one.
Not rely true...there are only fewer used ones, because only lately people realize how much more better they are so there few old ones for sale.
"I'm poor therefore catamarans suck" is the proper title of this video.
Lucky people are poor and can't buy a catamaran. Unlucky people get poor owning a catamaran and have to stop sailing.
@@artsmith103 to be fair. only rich people owns a boat of any kind period. this guy is rich just not at the catamaran level LOL. Its funny how people say "Affordable to most people" when it comes to boat... more than 90% of the people could not afford a cheap monohull boat LOL
@@jeanmuyuela8112 Almost everyone I know owns one or 2 boats.
Don't get things confused my dude, I can go buy a cat if I wanted to, I simply don't want the running costs
@@ChasingLatitudes The only catamaran upside I see is having children on board. For adults, you can only be in one part of boat at a time: cockpit, cabin, berth. If each of those is comfortable then more is not valuable. That happens 37-40ft and a little bigger makes provisioning easier.
Greetings from Australia, I’ve been a cat guy for 30 years and totally understand what you are say except for noise mine is quiet as …. You are correct and now at 68 I’m upgrading my 45’ cat and and am looking to sell her and go to the dark side and half a boat. Your stated pricing except for haul out here in Aus is correct. We have to replace standing rigging every 10 years and mine is now being done at $9700.00….. sails - correct…. I am hoping to sell and somehow getting out of this shithole and buying a mono offshore … love your productions and at my age money is very important so hopefully I can switch back to half a boat and sail the rest of my life over the horizon
Half a boat? A monohull is a proper boat. If I was out on the ocean I wouldn't be on a cat I wouldn't feel safe.
Stay with the Cat and enjoy the time you have to spend on the water.
try Garcia alluminium boat.
With ten tonnes a lead ready to drag you down?
@@gerardhand1954
I've had sailboats with and without standing rigging. I'll take without, thank you very much.
if we're focusing on affordability. if you live-aboard, anchor off a lot then cats make a lot more sense - using them just for holidays for sure you need to have a lot of spare cash and Id go for a mono on that basis. our cat doubles as a house, most of the year while we rent out our home. could no longer live like that on a mono with our family and friends
All this is true but if your wife hates living at 45 % and most of them do .
I’d rather she cook a great meal without half of it ending up on the floor and the walls .
rotfl... Happy wife, good life
If you don't have any money don't buy a boat!
Catamaran owners can almost invariably afford these additional costs, otherwise they'd be looking at more affordable solutions, i.e., monohulls. Everyone knows catamarans command a higher price at a port due to their width. It's one of the first things prospective owners learn about cats in their research about them. Higher maintenance expenses is also not a big surprise. Two hulls, two motors, etc., obviously require more upkeep. They're larger vessels for any given length, so figure twice the upkeep of the same length monohull being a good rule of thumb. The way this video is presented it's as if there's hidden costs to catamaran ownership that aren't knowable until a purchase is made. Not the case. It's common knowledge except to landlubbers or people who never owned a boat.
That said, I appreciate the info on insurance and other aspects of cat ownership. The bottom line is that catamarans (and trimarans) are usually _intended_ for the well-to-do except for the very smallest and cheapest of models. Even monohulls aren't cheap to own and operate in the long run. Sailing of any kind isn't a cheap hobby.
I'm on the market for a multi-hull, a Neel trimaran more specifically. Valid points you make, but if you plan to live aboard long term, at least for me comfort and space is more important and worth the price. I plan to work from my boat, and I could rent out 2 guest cabins to close friends who also are digital nomads to offset the higher maintenance costs. Sailing, I get less seasick on a trimaran than on a mono-hull (Have too little experience on cats to compare) and am generally more comfortable in one - not a big fan of heeling all the time. A multi-hull feels safer - it takes a lot more to flip one compared to a cat.If you hit a container or whatever and a hull is compromised, you're less likely to sink on a cat and even less so on trimarans.
@ABC gang Race boats maybe, but you'd have to be seriously trying to do EVERYTHING wrong to get a cruising multi to invert. Most will break the rigging long before even flying a hull.
I don't think that's true. Tris are about 2/3 beam to DWL, and cats 1/2, but the lever arm for righting moment on a tri is the cl for the main hull to one of the outriggers, so less than for a cat which is cl to cl for the two hulls.
As a professional, I totally agree with you. I am a 100 ton Master, US Sailing Instructor, and Scuba Instructor. Have run Charter yachts, ferries, and worked as a yacht broker. Have cruised tens of thousands of miles on my own cruising boats. You are right on!
I love multi’s. They are wonderful. IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY. Buy a cheap one and you will regret it. Don’t have the money to properly maintain one? Look out. I can buy a hi-quality cruising mono for under a hundred K. One that will go pretty much anywhere. Put maybe 10-20 more into it. And I’m gone. Boat paid for, in good shape and well equipped mid 40’s size. And I have plenty left over to actual go out and enjoy cruising! Quality multi’s, they are great. Again……IF you have lots of money.
Buy a cheap monohull and you’ll regret it too
@@comanche180 I agree but they are structurally more forgiving. I know many people cruising the world on Hunters and Bennys. Yes a keel could fall off. Or a rudder break. I think what bothers me the most is the money spent. You might spend 30-100K on a used Hunter or Benny. But a cruising cat is going to for. The most part set you back hundreds of thousands. Ouch!
Many have sailed quit extensively on $10k 50 plus yr old monos.
Bragging about being a Scuba Instructor 😂
@@fredread9216 I sailed across the Pacific in the 70s. My old boat is still out there cruising, still going strong with the original unstayed masts!
@@kless001 All part of my maritime experience/credentials. Diving has been as much of a passion as sailing. Why not let them bring me some income too.
But other than those things, you fully endorse them right?
If it kills your bank account, you have a too expensive a boat for your balance sheet. Cats are great, more expensive does not make them bad.
I totally agree the the statement about sanding the bottom, been there done that! That job truly does SUCK! 😣
Please explain what you mean by I lack wisdom?
@@ottifantiwaalkes9289 Well let me explain then, I’m 62 and I’ve been a yacht captain 👨✈️ for the last 45 years or so, I currently run a 2000 65 Viking Sportfish and look after the owners 50 Catalina sloop (which is currently on dry dock having her bottom painted) and I used to maintain a Robertson and Caine 39’ Catamaran for a number of years, I did a number of haul outs on her. So the I must have done over 100 haul outs, so I’m well versed in in that field, I’ve used a verity of Anti-fouls from the ablative to the hard Anti-fouls and all leave a paint build up which needs to be sanded before a fresh coat gets put on, and after ten years or so the build up gets so thick that it causes lots of drag plus you start getting adhesion problems as the paint gets older and older requiring the old paints to be removed and again sanding the hull get it smooth. I’ve done about 90 percent of this work at the Rodney Bay Boatyard here in St.Lucia 🇱🇨 maybe you should visit this yard to see for your self the sanding of hulls, also there is a large fleet of Moorings catamarans here that are on dry dock every day having their bottoms sanded and painted. I hope that enlightens you that when I make a comment on RUclips I really do know what I’m talking about. I do not make those kinds of comments lightly. As the expression goes “Please be guided accordingly”
Like with everything else in life... it depends. For nice weather pleasure cruising off the coast with lots of friends and family, cats are absolutely superior. No question about it. It's not even a discussion. 40ft cat gives a you a comparatively huge day space, both closed and open area. It's a floating house. You go to the basement only for sleeping. But then again if that's your use case, it may be smarter to just rent it a few times a year for a few days or weeks.
For full time or long term sailing, crossing oceans, rough seas, etc... where absolute safety, cost, and maintenance are priority... yeah, if it's a 40ft I'd definitely choose a U-boat/basement type vessel. Especially if more often than not you're alone on the boat. For that use case monohull is absolutely superior.
The hype about catamarans sucks in a lot of new sailors. You make excellent points about various costs of ownership that crucial for new boat owners to understand. I want to add some other thoughts. The used mono-hull market is chock full of sick value. I'm looking at buying a Gulfstar 50 for 100kish (depending on condition) and running a total refit. For about 250k (max, some of the boats are in amazing condition) I will have a totally modern, seaworthy, gorgeous, huge ketch that offers me amazing room and amenities. The advantage in room a cat enjoys go away when you get into a larger multihulls. And consider that when you are 'on passage' the rhythm of watch keeping and sailing the boat under way absorbs most of your time. The idea that you'll do big projects or things other than sail the boat and eat and sleep just isn't so when under way. So the amount of room or even heeling isn't as problematic as you might think. And in any kind of real sea or blow, both move around enough to negate any advantage the cat has. The real advantage of a cat is the space when at anchor. But with a 50ft monohull of good design, the space becomes competitive with say a 45" cat. Add in the floating, inflatable platforms that are available now and it's easy to create a lot of play space when on the hook in tropical spots. These are game changers for monohulls in terms of the usable play space when at anchor.
But the difference that is most important is sailing. Sure, if you want to buy a super light, carbon fiber, high performance cruising cat for 1 million or more, yes you may be able to point almost as well as me in a 40yo Gulfstar 50. The hull speed on a mono-hull goes up with waterline length, and the boat easily cruises at 9 kts, negating the advantage of a cat by a significant margin as well. And with the Gulfstar 50 ketch, I can sail the entire intracoastal waterway of the eastern U.S. Try doing that with a large cruising cat - your mast is too tall. Also, with a ketch i can balance the boat so well, have redundancy and the ability to field sails in many combinations to optimize for conditions in a way you can't do on a sloop rigged boat. There is also the sea-handling ability of a large monohull. I had a designer explain this to me once but I didn't really grasp the physics. But his point was that a monohull of 48 feet or larger handles big seas fundamentally better. I can feel it in the sailing motion of a larger, properly designed monohull. Less slamming, better motion through the waves in general and you also feel much safer. I don't like the motion of a cat through big seas, the weird corkscrew like feeling of slamming the bows into waves and the slamming of waves into the center section under body is jarring.
Monohulls are easier to tack and jibe as well. And a properly designed multihull with enough sail can be quite good in light air. Bottom line? Consider buying a 48ft or larger monohull used and refitting. Make sure it's a good design and build to begin with - which is easy cuz these boats have been around forever and owners give great insight about any recurring issues any particular boat might have.
I knew it!ok
I wish this was written in English
This has me seriously considering a monohull now. I was set on a cat as it will be a live aboard but if it all comes down to bang for buck. With interest rates rising I see more for sale every month.
@@BlackTreasureMap Hey there. Glad you are thinking this through. One other point for you. The absurdly bad pointing performance of some cruising cats is just an artifact of bad design and cheap builds. With good sails and mast and rigging you can point close to as well as a monohull with a cat, almost. Part of the issue is that the boats aren't stiff enough overall. Bulkheads and chainplates etc all go into this mix. For an example check out Sailing Parlay Revival's bulkhead repair to his Lagoon 45. His pointing performance and top speed under numerous points of sail improved significantly by stiffening the boat. Simple way to figure this out is if the boat creaks and groans a lot you losing a ton of energy from the rig that isn't being converted into forward energy.
But these are very expensive things to improve on cats. To upgrade the rigging and sails on a cruising cat to performance levels is a minimum 40k investment and could go to double that readily. The load on those rigs is much higher than that of a monohull. You will need at least two high quality headsails, fyi, with furling systems designed for them. And will be changing them out sometimes. And a bomber mainsail - could be 10-12k alone. A staysail is awesome too.
But Lagoon et al know their market. They cater to coastal charter sailors and cruisers who don't really care about performance or long distance cruisability. They just want to have a floating fun platform to use on weekends or a few weeks a year that they can move from place to place, and don't mind motoring half the time. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Heck if you aren't planning on doing a lot of long passages and intend to just live aboard in various areas on the hook, there is nothing wrong with a cruising cat as it's clearly the most livable 'platform'. But if you like to sail...
If you want to see an example of a proper modern cruising sloop, check out Krakken yachts, even if just to educate yourself about boat design. Also, he builds true 'blue water' yachts and if you listen to that builder, you will finally understand what a blue water cruiser is -and will realize most cruising cats have no business calling themselves 'blue water' boats.
If I had 700k, I'd buy a Krakken. In a serious blow, i'd rather be in a monohull. Just sayin'...
You set the performance bar very low by comparing to a Gulf Star 50. Most cruisers do not know how to extract reasonable performance out of their boats as they have never learnt how too…. It comes with some years of competitive racing….. which in turn dose not always teach seamanship.
Cats without centreboards can appear to point well, but when adding leeway, VMG is not great.
Basically the arguement summed up:
Catamaran cost too much
Sailed from SF to Hawaii on my friends 50' Cat. I never went back. My coffee never spilled and we hit 18kts. Avg 6-8kts was another huge factor after crossing in 14 days. Down seas we were very safe and at anchor we had a floating house. Cats is the only way!
That's a downwind ride. Tell us about the trip back! You weren't aboard, were you?
@@timdunn2257 boats in Samoa now brother. Circumnavigation usually goes down hill 😉 as much as possible.
@@PA96704 Yup. I sailed from Seattle to Hong Kong via the South Pacific, downwind when possible. Sailing to windward in big swells is horrible! I also did a LA to Honolulu to Seattle to LA voyage in a typical Marconi fin keel clorox bottle.
Some look at a marina and see pretty boats. I look at a marina and see rotting decks and abandoned dreams.
29 foot monohull here.. and i love cats but wouldn't want to own one....EVER!!
Love it, I absolutely love 30 footers
Iv owned delivered crewed raced Cats , Try's , Monos & you forgot to mention what its like in 50Kts in a cat/try - The only time in many 1000s of miles iv had to change my undies is on a CAT/TRY , Try laying a hull or even froing a drogue over the side ... Not good .
Okay ! ... what about a U-boat?
That's a good one
I don't get it. Just watched another of your videos saying that Catamaran is the only way to go. Anyway. Loving your feud with Lady K
@2:00 min. What city is that?
If people can aford a cat then I am sure they can aford the extra cost of things, so this probably is not a good reason to avoid a cat. I think you might just be projecting.
You can’t compare a 40’ monohull to a 40’ cat. It’s more like a 55’ monohull imo.
My 48' cat is expensive - but ohhhh that comfort. Haha
I'm jealous
I wouldn't go on an crossing on a monohull. That would suck.
Ive noticed some awesome big mono hulls for under 100k.... but in that same price bracket, all the cats are floating projects.
I love the cat I was told that if you ask how much money to gas it… you should not buy one… I’m working to figure out what it would cost so I have a better idea. Boat is an expensive hobby. Love it
So true, especially 'do it right the first time'!
Cats are really only viable for people with way more money than the average sailor. Would I like the comfort of a cat? Sure. But reality is if you want to maximize the amount of time (years) you can afford to sail a mono is the best choice for 95% of all sailors.
I wouldn't last a day in a coffin box mono hull. I'm way too clostriphbic. There are inexpensive Cats out here.
Better title: "Catamarans are expensive and noisy."
Cats don't suck, the cost does
Chris, I was going to rule out catamarans simply for budgetary reasons alone; your video confirmed it. Though it may not be 100% accurate, as a rule of thumb, just double your costs on a cat; there's two of everything.
They are great, just expensive and as you can see by the comments, if you hurt the fragile ego of the fan boys by stating in very simple terms , they are expensive then oh man here they come to defend , cracks me up
That such a mindset still exists in 2022 is astonishing?!
and you compare a 40ft cat to a 35 or 40 ft monohull? Compare it with a 5O ft and then even the high Marina price can be explained. And cats don't need deep marinas and haul out.
I've had 39ft cat since 1979 and a 42 ft, too. I sailed from the Med to Thailand 40 years ago, then chartered for many years in the Mergui archipelago. Only hauled out once in a marina and even that was a mistake!
@@lucaschueli984 yes cats need to be hauled out occasionally , I compared vessels based on price point , for the same price you can get a far newer mono, if you want to compare based on size and price you will get a far newer and larger mono for the same price and running costs will be far far less, this is not an opinion , its a fact, you are literally trying to debate that 2 plus 2 is not four, I can assure you it is
@@ChasingLatitudes sorry for the late answer. There are lots of cheap catamarans on the market, too. Not even speaking about Wharrams. The way to compare boats is by volume. And no, if you have solid bottoms or fixed keels and a minimum of tide you can do all your work on a protected beach or, if you really want to be on hard ground go on rollers or a trailer and have a tractor pull you out very cheaply. Most Marinas are not made for multihulls who would not need the deep water.
I would add that for most people the monohull yacht makes much more sense due to size and cost. Cats in the 40' to 46' length range make a lot of sense, especially for chartering in the Carribean and a few similar places. Those catamarans are quite wonderful. This size is equivalent to a monohull with a size of say 46' to 60's in length. Those sizes are dramatically larger than the very large majority of sailors can afford, or can even dock in their marinas or clubs. My rule of thumb is if a monohull is smaller than 45' serves your needs well, there is absolutely no reason to consider a catamaran.
Build your own Drydock might be an option for a very few people
And those few people can probably afford a catamaran. Lol
One of the better sea boats I have sailed is a 40-foot Norman Cross trimaran. I sure would like to a buy a Cross, or Horstman. All vessels are a tangle of choices. What does the Skipper want for the challenges ahead? I have also owned a 44-foot Cecil Norris ferro boat. She was one hell of a wave basher. I spent most of the Winter sailing her in the Straits of Georgia and Straits of Juan de Fuca. Now and then get a few crabs or a small salmon. A good boat is a good boat, simple as that.
To be a true comparison you need to compare square foot of vessel if your buying a cat you are buying for the extra room .
So compare a 40ft cat with a 65ft -70ft mono is comparable in volume of vessel . Then see how your figures stack up .
Do the math sq ft of each design .
She won’t do that math mate, all her complaints don’t equal 100k. Has time to judge others lives instead of living. So sad 😢
So your point is, a boat that is twice as large (in volume) costs more. Wow, who would have thought it. Thanks, Capt. Obvious.
I was going to buy a catamaran until I heard how expensive the anchors are.
Thanks Chris. A vid about boat maintenance, what to do, how much... I don't know, do something...
well a cat is three times wider thn mono, so not a cost surprise - one gets a lovely living room betwixt the two hulls . . .
Your so right about wasting time in boat yards.
Chris - I’m not gay and I don’t “identify” as any part of the LBGTQ -XYZ or ABC group. But I LOVE YOU
MAN!!
Many modern cruising catamaran looks like floating RV's with a sail put on as an afterthought. There is a myth that cats dont roll, i did sail on a 40' charter cat in the Caribbean, boy did it roll.
In other words, what you're saying is you can't afford a catamaran but you would rather declare they suck vs. saying your income sucks.
learned that i already knew these were expensive, and expensive to maintain, and expensive for parts and shit, and it sucks because luxury is expensive, and that everything is pretty expensive, and that i need to be expensive to have expensive luxury things, and that i need to save and just settle for less to not be expensive, and i just need a john boat in the ocean to not be expensive. so i learned that expensive is expensive, and that he didnt buy this expensive catarmaransbecause it doesnt fit his personal agenda, and that they suck because you cant afford one.
I had looked at the larger cats (65'-75') and for the same money I could get a far larger mono with more volume.
people who aren't concerned with cost you get a lot more out of a catamaran
Cats are awesome. I don't like to be constrained on a cubicle surrounded by water.
I have a half a million dollars I just gotta sell everything and buy a catamaran and that’s exactly what I’m gonna do
If you like being at a 45 degree angle all day long and while you sleep then get a damn monohull.
Tell me you've never sailed without telling me you've never sailed
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Don’t really know but I have to believe a brand new catamaran is not that expensive in the beginning. Surely the high cost maintenance and such doesn’t happen for a few years.
Title of video should be "Bigger boat cost more money!" .. well duh!
Anchoring, and marina space, r not th principal considerations that come to mind when I think about sailing on heavy chop, with 40+knot winds, 100s of miles from anyplace.... If u wanna try to do ur little dance and diss multihull designs that traditional pacific voyagers hav used for millenia, go ahead.... But at least a few of us see it as little more than sheer entertainment value after taking the time to actually read up on maritime designs, owners experiences, and applications of various craft in various cultures..... plus of course, testing em in person.
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Cats are awesome except they are twice the price to maintain. Everything is almost double. It's like a mono over 40 ft all of a sudden things get more expensive.
I Love how you tell it like it is
yeah, but your drinks don't fall over
my haul out is free because I just park on the beach and let the tide go out.
actually not sure why you say it's noisy?
I have a wharram, would totally agree that about cost-suck of any plastic condomaran though!
So what you’re saying is, I should buy atleast two hulls? Possibly even three? Great info as always.
Buy 2 hulls put them together, and make your own catamaran
Comparing a 40' cat to a 40' mono isn't really fair.
Should compare to a 50-60' mono for the equivalent space
If you dont have the money for a Catamaran, dont bye one.
Do your bittom every year? Are you insane? Noise? I have lived on my monohull and never had an issue with noise.
I agree with you! We have rough seas here and catamarans simple aren't as strong as monohulls under these conditions
How do you right a catamaran when it flips over?
@ABC gang I never sailed a crane.
They really don't flip all that often. They have even removed the requirement for escape hatches under the deck. If you flip a cat, you're sailing crazy, such as not reefing in time, etc.
@@terryroth9707 nooooo. Once is too much for me. Boats routinely roll or pitchpole. You tie everything down. I thought someone had a way to right them I never thought of.
@stanley best Check out this video on design. About half way through they discuss the righting moment of a cat.
How do you get a monohull off the bottom?
‘Compared to a monohull, catamarans suck because they’re more expensive’. Hmm…oke. Thank you!
Thanks for putting me of all forms of sailing or boat ownership.......NOT - you get what you can afford to keep and are prepared to work on. As for the size debate being irelevent, you ignore BEAM altogether: 32' beam vs 16' beam in a hull that is significantly shorter gives far more space to live in than a same length mono hulle- and space is what you ultimately pay for. I learned to sail and qualify as Offshore Hand on a 40' Ketch in the Baltic...space is EVERYTHING.
Pour faire de la régate ou des sorties sportives ? Mono ! Pour vivre dessus et partir au long court ? Cata ! Pourquoi ? Parce que 90% du temps de vie d'un voilier se passe au port ou au mouillage et sur les 10% de navigation restant, 80% sont fait au pilote ! Donc comme le cata est quand même nettement plus confortable à vivre, il reste une solution fort judicieuse si vous voulez vivre sur votre bateau.... Cela dit, il y a des irréductibles du mono et ceux qui n'ont pas le budget (quoique le marché de l'occasion propose de plus en plus d'unités financièrement accessibles). Et puis il y en a pour tous les goûts, chacun se gratte où ça le démange ! Dernière chose pour les irréductibles du mono : Ne faite pas monter vos épouses sur un cata, sinon il y a de grandes chances pour que ces dernières vous tannent pour trouver un cata ou qu'elle trouve un capitaine à plusieurs coques ! Ca parâit con, mais c'est du vécu par beaucoup de marins...
Hopefully this advice will actually save some lives. I known so many people over the years as a bareboat certifier captain who have lost all of their life savings..and thats just the start.
The drone footage over Aberdeen, Hong Kong at 1:55 is really nice. I kept a boat there for a couple of decades.
so I suppose you would rent a tiny apartment in the seedy part of town in terrible condition because it is cheaper
Two hulls mean more waves hitting the ship and funny movements. I don't like them..you basically pay more for a bigger boat..
Just finding a boat launch around here big enough for a large cat is hard. Docks are usually in the way that need to be slid out of the way. Cats are double the price because it's twice the boat. I love my hobby cat. I agree large cats suck money. Little cats are great. Racing budget hobby cats is how I got into sailing. Buying a double boat slip is the way to go with a large cat or boat. Boat slips start around 5000$ here. Beachable cats can help cut down on some fees. Being in Michigan the haul out fees and splash fees come ever year. My boat yard is packed on weekends every spring. I want to build a Wharram. Our C&C 43 was nice but feel we need twice the boat to cruise around the world. I want the floating condo. Coosa board not ply. I gotta build cottage first just in case boat sinks. At least I will have some where to call home. See too many people sell everything to go sailing. The idea of having 2 of everything is another reason why a cat. Lot of prep work to take a boat from fresh water to salt too. See more people doing antifouling because of zebra muscles here.
My guy, what the hell are zebra muscle??
*Glances nervously*
Haha
So honest, dude. Love it.
Catamaran do NOT sucks, they are just more expensive.
Same as service on a Rolls Royce is more expensive than a service on a Kia, but that does not make Rolls Royce sucks.
You can not compare apples with bananas.
I've owned a catamaran and two monohulls. You can't compare a 40 foot cat with 40 foot monohull. A 40 foot cat is more comparable to a 55-60 foot monohull in terms of space.
You don't need a mantis anchor. A delta works fine. And it's much cheaper.
Or sarca excel ^^
You get the drift I assume
growing up at the beach and my dad pushing his hobie cat out into the surf i have a natural inclination towards cats. itll be a few before i get a real boat. a large factor for me is not wanting to be sideways all the time. i also really like the idea of being able to beach it.
There are many positives to cat ownership as there are negatives. It's what negatives one is willing to accept or not accept that will define the purchase parameters.
Monohulls are better they at least can roll over when a big wave Hits! Once a catamaran went upside down the boat is lost ...
For day sailing in protected waters and back bays along the American East and Gulf coasts, yes. But not offshore or open waters. And their inability to recover from a knock-down frightens me.
If you bought a Catamaran and your trying to be a budget warrior, you likely committed the frequent sin of buying more boat than you really should have. Bit like the kid that wants a sports car long before he can afford it. Simple as that. Just because you can buy it doesn't mean you can afford to own it. Purchase accordingly.
good boats aren't cheap no matter how many hulls you have.
Did you say “we haven’t boughten the vessel yet”? Is this English?
Id rather have a aluminum catamaran than sail boat.more comfortable easy to use and your not walking around on the walls while sailing 😊. Catamaran is safer in bad weather. There's a reason why Australia and other countries use catamaran more than mono.iv watched a 72 foot mono struggle in bearing sea during a hell of a storm but the 50 ft catamaran was just crushed it.almost like playing but i will admit a trimaran even better
100%
Why would you compare a 35 and 40ft mono to a 40ft cat? A 40ft cat is more analogous to a 50 - 55ft mono....
Cats have good features but unless its huge the mono has a decent bedroom the cat doesnt, your sleeping in an open ended coffin.
Who can walk 3 sides of a cat bed?
He missed the 2 engines maintenance issue
Cats can get more solar so you can do gen set less builds now, a mono struggles to do that
BINGO. 42cc Monohull here, and VERY happy indeed. Rock on.
Sailing i general is the most unhealthy and stressful way to live a live!
Eat like a peasant! Sleep deprived. And still have to pay all the port fees and every other fee under the sun.
hahah 100% correct my man , well done sir
What’s ur PayPal?
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I Love catamarans... but this video was great... Im not rich either.
A monohull would definitely be more in my reach.
Richard Branson owns a large cat. Nuff said.