FINALLY !!!!!!!! After spending years watching videos that left me scratching my head about ratios and why they are important. Dosage amounts All my questions answered in one video . Excellent work you did . I had one unanswered question and you answered it in the comment section. I am a forager here in Maine, I prefer drying prior to extracting. You had an excellent answer on that topic as well. I am not only impressed by your knowledge . It is refreshing the straight forward approach you take in simple explanations rather than including "filler" information. Thank You Subscribed with only one thumbs up Lol
Why 30% or is that arbitrary? Off the shelf tinctures seem to sit anywhere between 20 and 30%. Is there a specific ratio of elements extracted using the water vs alcohol to achieve best medicinal effect? If not, it seems to be generally 50/50. In which case the maths whole not overly complicated seem to be unnecessary. Eg if my alcohol is anywhere between 60-70% I just go 1:1 and end up with a 30-35% tincture. Equally for those using lower potency alcohol say 47% OP rum on dried mushroom (so no excess water dilution) then going 1:1 will result in 20-23% tincture. I assume at this stage Alcohol percentages are more to do when the taste? Any thoughts on that are appreciated. If using plain alcohol I also add pure vanilla essence to the water before cooling while still just warm.
I have to say, you piqued my interest from the very first words that came out of your mouth. Clean, concise, non-filling words. You're truly a remarkable teacher and speaker. Thank you so much for what you have to contribute to the world!
I have watched this about 100 times, and am totally inspired! I own a small mushroom company in Texas and grow a boatload of Lion's Mane for market. I dehydrate any that I don't sell [which is rare] and have been waiting to find a easily explained way to move toward tincture making. I bought a press on-line and it totally made the job of pressing so much easier. I reserved the menstruum and simmered it down for about 4 hours. I tried to press, but never got any clear liquid as you did.{any idea why?} So, I used fresh LM to make the decoction. I thought that by doing this, I'd probably get a stronger water extraction. Thank you for the math lesson. Very grateful for you.
Thank you for posting. If you put your mushroom and water mix in a clean cotton bag you can tie it up and hang it over a bowl and leave it overnight. The water part will be left in the bowl in the morning. You dont need any mathematical equations to do this. Just keep adding the mushroom water mix to the alcohol mix until you read 30% with your hydrometer.
Love to see your take on a Moringa extract. That stuffs got a lot of hype recently, for good reason! Definitely recommend you look into it. From what I've read it's 4x richer source of Potassium than Bananas. Amazing stuff!
I realize this is an older video. I have just now discovered it. I am new to herbalism this year. I’ve been hunting and preserving wild mushrooms for years now. Specifically lions mane. I have sense broadened that to include more variety and plant matter. Thus the reason for becoming an herbalist. I’m not any where near the nerdy wife you are but I 100% am beginning my journey to be. I love it but am so rusty on the math. Ha! My point I actually want to make is that I truly appreciate how you present the video. You are a FANTASTIC teacher. I haven’t seen anyone explain it the way you have so that beginners like me can understand and grow. It’s exactly what I needed. Thank you!
Awe, thank you Christy, your comment is so well received! I love to teach, and I am so happy I made it easier for you to understand, that's my jam. Enjoy your herbal journey :) xo!
So what if you do not have a press? Did I miss something? not sure how we could do this without a press? Can you help me understand how we could do this? The video was very well done in the overall explanation but I just wanted clarity on whether is this even possible without a press. thank you for sharing your knowledge.
This was such an amazing video!! It was inspiring, educational and it was understandable! You did a wonderful job with this! I can not wait to try it. Also, please give your hubby a BIG THANKS for the formula! What a game changer!
I foraged some Lions Mane last year, chopped it and put it in a pint of grain alcohol. It has been sitting in the alcohol since November of 2022. I did it rough and just filled the jar without weighing or measuring. How should I proceed to figure out the correct volumes for decoction and mixing? THANKS!
I nearly passed you on when I saw the dum intro, so glad my hands were busy cooking! Fantastic, clear, precise video, absolutely perfect thank you! I've subscribed!
If it is dried or powdered make sure it has both the mycelium and fruiting bodies but all the figuring she does is removed if you use powdered you can stick to the 1:5 method but you will still double pull
nope, but it is easier to control the alcohol content and calculations with dry. I've received a lot of feedback that hydrometers aren't reliable so I recommend just doing dry. This would change your ratio of dry lion's mane to solvent to a 1:3 or a 1:5 (the lower the ratio, the more concentrated the medicine).
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What is the recommended daily dosage? I make Turkey Tail tea and started the alcohol extraction for a tincture. Is 30% alcohol recommended for for all dual extraction tinctures? Appreciate the precise information.
2-3 mls (droppers full) 3 times a day. I’d say go as low as you can, we usually don’t like to go below 25%, but the more decoction, the more likely your polysaccharides will stay in solution 👍🏽
Wow this is absolutely amazing. I love how you broke the math down and made it so easy for us to make tinctures. These things are a crucial part of our Health due to what our corrupt government puts in our food. Thank you for the knowledge
I purchase mine fresh from Whole Foods or Fresh Market where I live. But they have fresh lions mane on Etsy that is shipped. I use the store BristolMushrooms.
The hydraulic press I use is finally back in stock and can be purchased through my website! herbnerd.godaddysites.com/shop/ols/products/tincture-press I grew my own lions mane from a kit, but Ive also found it dried online.
I probably missed it. But what was your calculation for amount of water to use when beginning the hotwater decocktion? Great video overall, very well articulated! Beautiful control of the English language.
Excellent content. Thanks a lot. How long do you simmer the LM in hot water (at a max of 175 F degrees right)? Do you have to stir the preparation during the 4 hours?
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Hot damn this is helpful! Without doubt the best explanation I've found for why each step is important in the process. Can I ask how you pressed the mushroom after the initial alcohol extraction?
haha, love your comment, thanks :) I use a hydraulic press. Sadly, the one I use is discontinued, but something like this could work: www.dhgate.com/product/12-22-36l-kitchen-grape-blueberry-mulberry/727711274.html?f=bm%7cGMC%7cpla%7c18242400154%7c%7c727711274%7c%7c019030007%7cUS%7clynn815%7cc%7c2%7c&GMC&gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHL8rerMqxi2TNY2PPUvVLokuzfe0Q-cAOICHB7dZ1qmW4uBnCvcGUxoCGB8QAvD_BwE
I want to make a his for my son that has a brain injury but he is only 5 years old. Can I use organic glycerin instead of alcohol and if not, would this be safe to give him?
Yes, although I would recommend a solvent exchange where you first extract in alcohol to ensure you extract the brain-protective constituents and then cook off the alcohol (ideally with an electric burner so you aren't evaporating alcohol near an open flame). Replace the alcohol with glycerin. Glycerin isn't as stable of a solvent so you want to just skip adding the water extract and be sure that the glycerin you add in is at 60% or more, or keep in the fridge.
Hi! I am planning to try to grow Lions Mane and do the tincture for my MS. I have never done anything like that before and I have a question: I don't have one of that pressure-making-tool you have, what could I use? And also, is the final tincture you are showing ready to consume?
You can press by hand, or some people use a potato masher although I’ve never had much luck with those. And yes, the final extract is ready to consume!
How do you determine a good daily dosage of the final product? Does the final mixture of alcohol and water extract offer the optimal amounts of both methods? What about keeping both extracts separate, then adding alcohol to just the water based as a preservative so you can dose it individually?
Maybe it would be much easier to dehydrate lions mane for example in the oven for a while and we could skip hydrometer step? Also different levels of alcohol would be required for dried mushrooms because they lost most of the water? Correct me if im wrong. Preparing to make a tincture and trying to figure out the best way:)
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Dry mushroom is 1:5 although the more you reduce the number in the right, the more concentrated your medicine is. You’d definitely want to stick with high proof alcohol for fresh mushrooms but could many get away with 80 proof for dry…just means you’ll not be able to add in as much shroom decoction in step 2.
Thank you so much for this information. I have a couple pounds of dried lion's mane I've been saving. Now I can put it to use BTW, they are delicious fresh, fried in avocado oil with salt and pepper.
This is so cool. Amazing video! I’m going to try making this. Two questions. How long does the final product last at room temperature and how long does the alcohol tincture last at room temperature. I’m assuming you store these at room temperature. also, is there any chance if you don’t get the alcohol proportions right that you can get food poisoning. Thank you for this wonderful video.
This was literally one of the best videos I hav eever seen in terms of contents. For someone who is a beginner in the world of herbalism, this brings quite an impressive note of seriousness to the tincture making tutorials because they are usually the DIY homesteading videos (also cool of course) and this is showing you the science behind the process thus raising the credibility of the video. Thank you very much. I have a quick question though. I have browsed the comments and noticed that the same can be done if we use the powdered mushroom rather than the fresh fruiting body except the ratio would be 1:5 (mushroom:alcohol). Am I correct? Also, once we have created the double-extracted tincture, may we dilute it even more just for the sake of practicality if we will use the droppers. (I don't mind shaking them :) ). How do we figure out what the dosage would need to be though? Thanks in advance.
Hey, thanks for all of your kind words! You’re correct, dry herbs/fungus are all extracted typically at 1:5, although I’ve done them at 1:3 as well (more concentrated but better for bigger batches). Yes, if you keep it in the fridge you can dilute it further. Actually the more you dilute with your decoction, the more likely the polysaccharides will stay in solution, but keep it in the fridge and use it up as it will be more susceptible to mold.
@@logiclab1 you don’t have to store in the fridge, it contains alcohol and is shelf stable as long as your final etoh is 25% or higher. I use an organic cane alcohol for the organic alcohol company. It is 95% alcohol, and gets diluted down by the fresh mushroom and the decocted tea.
I started watching your tincture videos a month ago and I’m very grateful for all the information you shared with us. I ordered that awesome press you have for sell🤙
Fantastic video Colleen! After watching numerous videos that have left me confused as to exactly what I’m supposed to be doing you’ve simplified it beautifully. Thank you so much for the dilution equation. One thing that I did not quite catch is the amount of water used for the decoction. Can you please tell me how you determine the amount for water for the decoction part of the extraction?
Dehydrate it first, then grind it up in a coffee or herb grinder, then put in the alcohol solvent, and spend $80 on an ultrasonic cleaner, takes 90 minutes instead of two weeks.
Yes! It’s a great and really affordable press that you can get new or used on eBay: www.google.com/shopping/product/5601763238339590572?q=welles.juice+press&client=safari&hl=en-us&biw=414&bih=697&tbs=vw:l,ss:44&prmd=msivn&sxsrf=ALeKk02Eyy2SOBHJDS1XLsvhOnfadxPQ9Q:1623550763204&prds=eto:9700170661720461118_0,cdl:1,prmr:1,cs:1 I also discuss using the press a lot in my infused oil video: ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html
You should grab yourself a 500-1000 ml soxhlet. You'll get significantly higher yields on both your alcohol and water extracts, it's also really cheap (less than 200$ for your entire setup). It's great for plants too :) I have epilepsy and make a lot of my own medicines
We’re talking 2-3 mls at a time, so pretty safe, but if you’re concerned, try making a glycerite instead. Also to be mentioned re: pregnancy, many herbs and fungus are contraindicated during pregnancy so be sure to ask a trained professional before consuming any supplements while pregnant.
Hi Aaron, my favorite and the one used by many medicine makers I know is organic cane 95% from the organic alcohol company: organicalcohol.com/organic-cane-alcohol-1-gallon/
Hi I'm wondering if my tinctures can be salvaged. I just got my hydrometer and used it to test my products. Only to discover the alcohol by volume is way too low :(( also the tinctures were made over a year ago and I'm wondering if they are ruined!! Ughh,...I'm so discouraged 😞 this is probably a silly question but, can alcohol be added to bring up the ABV? Thx for your excellent videos.
change the ratio to a 1:3 or 1:5. Some herbalists like to do a 1:3, some prefer a 1:5; the higher the ratio, the more diluted the extract, the lower the ratio, the lower the yield...
It's the welles juice press. You can now purchase it directly from me :) (its been out of stock for YEARS). herbnerd.godaddysites.com/shop/ols/products/tincture-press
Great video! One question -- wouldn't the alcohol basically just destroy the b-glucan? So hericenones, erinacenes and whatever other alcohol soluble compounds would be available but not the water soluble. Also, doesn't the lions mane have to be grown on wood?
Ive asked other herbal medicine maker this questions and no, they wont be destroyed. They may fall out of solution but they aren't "destroyed." Just shake before taking.
I normally tincture with 40% alcohol and occasionally 60% everclear. Since these alcohols already contains a ton of water, is there a way to just heat the alcohol extract prior to pressing, to extract the water soluble compounds? Are those compounds being partially extracted by the cold water during the 2 week alcohol soak, or is heat the only way to begin that process? Thanks for the great video!
I love this video! Thank you so much! I just wish you had shown the first pressing. I don't understand how you would have put something so relatively liquid into a tray seemingly meant for fruits/solids. I've never used a presser before so maybe it would be more obvious once I have some experience.
Right, sorry about that! I usually run liquidy things like this through a fine mesh coffee filter before pressing the mass. Mr coffee makes one. I also have a pressing for infused oils that may offer some insight: ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html
Hey, Brilliant video, well explained, very clear and easy to follow! Thank you for this! You are the first one I found in loong time! I have 2 questions, there is so much confusion out there about this, and I trust you can bring light on this. 1. Fresh or dried? 2. 95% or less is enough? What exactly are we extracting with the alcohol?' 3. What is the equision then for double extraction Using fresh lion´s mane I understand it is essential to use 95% alcohol or else it will be like trying to extract the components in beer. Btw, what are those chemical we are juicing out? Is it possible to use dried lion´s mane (does it still have all the goodness?) and extract it in vodka (is it strong enough to extract those chemicals?)? Let´s say it is possible. How do I get to a double extraction? Using the same equision? I assume, the % will go down to 35 already during the 2 weeks. How do I have space then to introduce water extract into my tincture? Is it possible at all? Thanks a lot! This will solve the last bit of the mushroom-riddle! :)
wow, quite the comment! I'll do my best to help: 1. Fresh or dried? either is fine, but dry is easier to control. they should both be just as potent. 2. 95% or less is enough? What exactly are we extracting with the alcohol? Hericenones and Erinacines are alcohol and neuroprotective. 3. What is the equision then for double extraction; see this video: ruclips.net/user/live7ukoVnxfSTI?feature=share Good luck!
As a compounding pharmaceutical chemist I was very interested in this "dilution equation" and was rather disappointed to learn it didn't exist and you were simply balancing a normal solve for x. I could never teach others something that I know so little about, I would feel silly, like a fraud. You are very brave to do so.
If you are a Compounding Pharmaceutical Chemist, lend a hand here, what would an accurate "dilution equation" be for making the most effective tincture? Step up and help us all out please. We would love to hear some professionalism here. Ready, GO!!
umm this magical "dilution equation" is just year 8 mathematics, I think they call it solve for x. Like "if you know a/b = x/c , given a,b & c what is x?". im sure a primary school teacher explains solve for x better but there's my attempt since you asked@@tylersathern1076
Very nice video. I hate to be picky, but I think you were supposed to add 875 ml of pure water to the 750 of decoction. You want to more than half the alcohol %. The volume of diluent should be more than the original decoction/menstruum/effluent. That is why your final hydrometer reading is at 35%, not 30%. Sorry, I used to be a Chemistry teacher. :)
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Hi there that's a great presentation. BTW what's the quantity of water in your decoction for 162 grams of mushroom. Also how long did you simmer the decoction. please. Thanks.
@@HerbNerdSchool my etoh slurry is rather thick. I did 1:3 ratio as you mentioned. Would you advice on adding more etoh to the slurry to make it 1:5 please. Thanks for your support
I have a question, so what’s the dose that you take per how much grams of mushrooms you’ve processed? When I make a tea I usually use 5 g of mushrooms, is the dose lower because of the extraction process. extracts more?
I can see that everyone feels the same, after watching so many videos on herbs and tincture making you have finally made one that leaves no questions!! Very well done and I am excited to be a new subscriber to your channel and to see what else I can learn from you! I have one question, where can I find that hydraulic press you are using? Thanks again and keep up the great work!!
From all the videos I’ve watched must of them are first timers and really have no idea what they’re doing. I appreciate this woman’s knowledge and professionalism ❤
Thank you for such detail video. moreover thanks for sharing the formula. I just have 1 doubt regarding the shelf life of the tincture. for how long (years/months) it can be kept and how to store?
I did some research on this since you aren’t the first person to ask, and no it doesn’t denature the polysaccharides. But, you can always do the steps in reverse order, decoct the lions mane first then extract with alcohol (store the mushroom tea in the freezer while you do the alcohol extract).
QUESTION; Why did you add the alcohol to the 2nd blender of Lions Mane? Instead, blend the Lions Mane, strain all the water out of the blended Lions Mane. Get rid of the water. Then weigh the Lions Mane again, this starts you out correctly measuring the mushroom weight, then add times 2 alcohol milliliters. ??? Shake for 2 weeks, there's your first extract. Correct???
don't throw it away while everything is done, make vinegar from it :just add cool bolied sweet water ( 4 tbsp for 1 liter of water), cover with clean cloth and tie (protect from insects), stir once daliy with clean wooden spoon for about two weeks, after 3 weeks it's ready to use, it can stand for a long time
I absolutely love your teaching style. I read all the comments hoping to find my answer. Is it better to use fresh marc for the decoction and tincture? Also, I couldn't figure out where you got the 800+ ML of liquid that you measured and added to your decoction. The liquid in the hydrometer? Where did it come from? (29.02 minutes) then you put the whole decoction into your tincture. I am lost. How do you know if you simmer enough of the water away when making your decoction. Thanks for this amazing video.
An investment in a sonicator would greatly reduce the time needed to make extractions as it breaks down the cell wall and allows the solvent to pull out more of the alkaloids/compounds in only an hour or less.
@@HerbNerdSchool depends on your budget there's many different brands and wattage and different probes to use. Look up some videos on youtube of ppl making herbal extracts using them.
@@blenderbenderguy it can do the same thing just the sound frequencies have to travel through another vessel inside the bath instead of the probe directly into the menstrum solution, might just take longer, sonication process on it's down does generate alot of heat
Firstly, congrats on the baby ...hope it all went well for you both. Now re this vid, cheers for taking the time to make it..I am however totally confused.part 1 was very clear and then you lost me at the start of part 2. I mean when did the pressing happen? What was it you compressed?end of part 1 the mixture looked whitish but at the start of part 2 it was a honey colour....I'm totally confused😠
Sorry, no one’s perfect 👍🏼 I first strain using a fine mesh coffee strainer insert: criobru.com/products/coffee-maker-filter-to-make-crio-bru?variant=41363233177800 Then I use my hydraulic press to finish up. You can watch me straining out a maceration in this video: ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html Unfortunately the press I own is no longer made. Good luck!
Thanks for the video and detailed explanation. One question that came up was, why do you do the alcohol extract first, rather than the hot water extraction? I read that hot water extraction should come first to break the chitin walls, which the alcohol cannot break. Thanks!
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FINALLY !!!!!!!! After spending years watching videos that left me scratching my head about ratios and why they are important. Dosage amounts All my questions answered in one video . Excellent work you did . I had one unanswered question and you answered it in the comment section. I am a forager here in Maine, I prefer drying prior to extracting. You had an excellent answer on that topic as well. I am not only impressed by your knowledge . It is refreshing the straight forward approach you take in simple explanations rather than including "filler" information. Thank You
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Why 30% or is that arbitrary? Off the shelf tinctures seem to sit anywhere between 20 and 30%. Is there a specific ratio of elements extracted using the water vs alcohol to achieve best medicinal effect?
If not, it seems to be generally 50/50.
In which case the maths whole not overly complicated seem to be unnecessary. Eg if my alcohol is anywhere between 60-70% I just go 1:1 and end up with a 30-35% tincture. Equally for those using lower potency alcohol say 47% OP rum on dried mushroom (so no excess water dilution) then going 1:1 will result in 20-23% tincture.
I assume at this stage Alcohol percentages are more to do when the taste?
Any thoughts on that are appreciated.
If using plain alcohol I also add pure vanilla essence to the water before cooling while still just warm.
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@Titanium Quarrion If the alcohol % drops below 25% it will go bad.
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I have to say, you piqued my interest from the very first words that came out of your mouth. Clean, concise, non-filling words. You're truly a remarkable teacher and speaker. Thank you so much for what you have to contribute to the world!
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@@HerbNerdSchoolWhere are the Lion's Mane Mushroom fungal spores and how to extract the fungal spore species value?
I have watched this about 100 times, and am totally inspired! I own a small mushroom company in Texas and grow a boatload of Lion's Mane for market. I dehydrate any that I don't sell [which is rare] and have been waiting to find a easily explained way to move toward tincture making. I bought a press on-line and it totally made the job of pressing so much easier. I reserved the menstruum and simmered it down for about 4 hours. I tried to press, but never got any clear liquid as you did.{any idea why?} So, I used fresh LM to make the decoction. I thought that by doing this, I'd probably get a stronger water extraction. Thank you for the math lesson. Very grateful for you.
Now this is how you make a video ! Right to the point, very informative , and well explained .
Thank you! I appreciate that!
Thank you for posting. If you put your mushroom and water mix in a clean cotton bag you can tie it up and hang it over a bowl and leave it overnight. The water part will be left in the bowl in the morning.
You dont need any mathematical equations to do this. Just keep adding the mushroom water mix to the alcohol mix until you read 30% with your hydrometer.
Love to see your take on a Moringa extract. That stuffs got a lot of hype recently, for good reason! Definitely recommend you look into it. From what I've read it's 4x richer source of Potassium than Bananas. Amazing stuff!
Is there away to add honey to the tincture? and if so when during the procedure? So I don’t have a pungent alcoholic taste.
You didnt show the pressing? Anyone know of a comlete video?
I realize this is an older video. I have just now discovered it. I am new to herbalism this year. I’ve been hunting and preserving wild mushrooms for years now. Specifically lions mane. I have sense broadened that to include more variety and plant matter. Thus the reason for becoming an herbalist. I’m not any where near the nerdy wife you are but I 100% am beginning my journey to be. I love it but am so rusty on the math. Ha!
My point I actually want to make is that I truly appreciate how you present the video. You are a FANTASTIC teacher. I haven’t seen anyone explain it the way you have so that beginners like me can understand and grow. It’s exactly what I needed. Thank you!
Awe, thank you Christy, your comment is so well received! I love to teach, and I am so happy I made it easier for you to understand, that's my jam. Enjoy your herbal journey :) xo!
I love your press! Great info, just grew my first batch of Lion's Mane his week (yes, they're tasty to eat as well!). Thanks for the share!
So what if you do not have a press? Did I miss something? not sure how we could do this without a press? Can you help me understand how we could do this? The video was very well done in the overall explanation but I just wanted clarity on whether is this even possible without a press. thank you for sharing your knowledge.
This was such an amazing video!! It was inspiring, educational and it was understandable! You did a wonderful job with this! I can not wait to try it. Also, please give your hubby a BIG THANKS for the formula! What a game changer!
How long would a double extract like this last on the shelf.
I foraged some Lions Mane last year, chopped it and put it in a pint of grain alcohol. It has been sitting in the alcohol since November of 2022. I did it rough and just filled the jar without weighing or measuring. How should I proceed to figure out the correct volumes for decoction and mixing? THANKS!
what is the dosage on this thank you for the video, learned a ton .
2-3 ml 3x a day! Thanks for your comment 😊
I nearly passed you on when I saw the dum intro, so glad my hands were busy cooking! Fantastic, clear, precise video, absolutely perfect thank you! I've subscribed!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You have some very useful information and for that I thank you. The only thing I'm struggling with is how diluted your final product is.
Does it matter if it’s dried or fresh?
If it is dried or powdered make sure it has both the mycelium and fruiting bodies but all the figuring she does is removed if you use powdered you can stick to the 1:5 method but you will still double pull
nope, but it is easier to control the alcohol content and calculations with dry. I've received a lot of feedback that hydrometers aren't reliable so I recommend just doing dry. This would change your ratio of dry lion's mane to solvent to a 1:3 or a 1:5 (the lower the ratio, the more concentrated the medicine).
Awesome video! Recently, I started to develop this curiosity for herbalism and alchemy/chemistry and it is SoOo amazing that I don’t have to pay anything for such information that you provided! Amazing details…
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so what was the "pressing part"???
What is the recommended daily dosage? I make Turkey Tail tea and started the alcohol extraction for a tincture. Is 30% alcohol recommended for for all dual extraction tinctures? Appreciate the precise information.
2-3 mls (droppers full) 3 times a day. I’d say go as low as you can, we usually don’t like to go below 25%, but the more decoction, the more likely your polysaccharides will stay in solution 👍🏽
Did you measure the polysaccharides, how did you find out that they really came out of the chitin?
Wow this is absolutely amazing. I love how you broke the math down and made it so easy for us to make tinctures. These things are a crucial part of our Health due to what our corrupt government puts in our food. Thank you for the knowledge
Curious to learn which hydraulic press you use and what is a good place to purchase lion's mane mushroom.
I purchase mine fresh from Whole Foods or Fresh Market where I live. But they have fresh lions mane on Etsy that is shipped. I use the store BristolMushrooms.
The hydraulic press I use is finally back in stock and can be purchased through my website! herbnerd.godaddysites.com/shop/ols/products/tincture-press
I grew my own lions mane from a kit, but Ive also found it dried online.
I probably missed it. But what was your calculation for amount of water to use when beginning the hotwater decocktion? Great video overall, very well articulated! Beautiful control of the English language.
I get this question a lot so I added this info into the description
How long did you simmer the mushrooms and approximately how much water did you begin with?
Excellent content. Thanks a lot. How long do you simmer the LM in hot water (at a max of 175 F degrees right)? Do you have to stir the preparation during the 4 hours?
Yes I stir, and I believe there is a timestamp in the video description for the simmer instructions.
Hi. My headphones don't work on this tablet. I know you're making sense, but can you explain another question? What is a midi-meter? Cheesecloth vs sweatshirt? Heckler vs Interested party to share in your knowledge? Oh, congratulations in developing new life! :)
Hot damn this is helpful! Without doubt the best explanation I've found for why each step is important in the process. Can I ask how you pressed the mushroom after the initial alcohol extraction?
haha, love your comment, thanks :) I use a hydraulic press. Sadly, the one I use is discontinued, but something like this could work: www.dhgate.com/product/12-22-36l-kitchen-grape-blueberry-mulberry/727711274.html?f=bm%7cGMC%7cpla%7c18242400154%7c%7c727711274%7c%7c019030007%7cUS%7clynn815%7cc%7c2%7c&GMC&gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHL8rerMqxi2TNY2PPUvVLokuzfe0Q-cAOICHB7dZ1qmW4uBnCvcGUxoCGB8QAvD_BwE
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I want to make a his for my son that has a brain injury but he is only 5 years old. Can I use organic glycerin instead of alcohol and if not, would this be safe to give him?
Yes, although I would recommend a solvent exchange where you first extract in alcohol to ensure you extract the brain-protective constituents and then cook off the alcohol (ideally with an electric burner so you aren't evaporating alcohol near an open flame). Replace the alcohol with glycerin. Glycerin isn't as stable of a solvent so you want to just skip adding the water extract and be sure that the glycerin you add in is at 60% or more, or keep in the fridge.
Hi! I am planning to try to grow Lions Mane and do the tincture for my MS. I have never done anything like that before and I have a question: I don't have one of that pressure-making-tool you have, what could I use? And also, is the final tincture you are showing ready to consume?
You can press by hand, or some people use a potato masher although I’ve never had much luck with those. And yes, the final extract is ready to consume!
How much water did you start with when making your decoction? Do you use distilled water?
Hi..thank you for the video.
I have a question. How did you decide the volume of water for the decoction for dissolving the pressed mushroom?
I usually do a 1:10 (pressed weight to water) to start, you loose a LOT of water and want to be sure you have enough for the final extract.
@@HerbNerdSchool Thank you. Kindly let me know how to contact you for further help in the process
So the tincture is more beneficial than eating it?
How do you determine a good daily dosage of the final product? Does the final mixture of alcohol and water extract offer the optimal amounts of both methods? What about keeping both extracts separate, then adding alcohol to just the water based as a preservative so you can dose it individually?
2-3 mls two times a day. Yes, you could separate out the two, but I made this video to explain the process for making a double extract tincture.
Maybe it would be much easier to dehydrate lions mane for example in the oven for a while and we could skip hydrometer step? Also different levels of alcohol would be required for dried mushrooms because they lost most of the water? Correct me if im wrong. Preparing to make a tincture and trying to figure out the best way:)
Thanks for the video. If the Fresh lions mane is replaced with dried lions mane, how much dried lions mane is used for 1L of alcohol ?
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Use a ratio of 1:3 or 1:5 for dry (1:3 would be more concentrated but you’d get less final product). So 1000mL / 3 = 333.3 g dried mushroom
That was really owesome.
I need a press like that or bigger for my cosmetic extracts
Is it possible to use a 40% (80 proof ) alcohol?
Also how will you modified the quantities if using dry mushrooms?
Dry mushroom is 1:5 although the more you reduce the number in the right, the more concentrated your medicine is. You’d definitely want to stick with high proof alcohol for fresh mushrooms but could many get away with 80 proof for dry…just means you’ll not be able to add in as much shroom decoction in step 2.
Awesome demo! That's a really slick press too!
I just found your channel - it's wonderful, thank you for sharing so much valuable information!
@@DeborahsSacredJourney22 hi! Happy you found me, and welcome!!
Thank you so much for this information. I have a couple pounds of dried lion's mane I've been saving. Now I can put it to use
BTW, they are delicious fresh, fried in avocado oil with salt and pepper.
Are you using a brewer’s hydrometer?
This is so cool. Amazing video! I’m going to try making this. Two questions. How long does the final product last at room temperature and how long does the alcohol tincture last at room temperature. I’m assuming you store these at room temperature. also, is there any chance if you don’t get the alcohol proportions right that you can get food poisoning. Thank you for this wonderful video.
Great presentation, very thorough. Thanks!
Great tutorial! Thanks so much. Been wondering for years about ABV, ratios and the math.
Glad you liked it:)
By far the best double extraction instruction video I've seen.
@@chrissavidge2062 you rock 🫶🏼
Which brand of hydrometer do you recommend? Thank you for the sharing your knowledge and the video!
wished you showed how you pressed mushroom mixture
This was literally one of the best videos I hav eever seen in terms of contents. For someone who is a beginner in the world of herbalism, this brings quite an impressive note of seriousness to the tincture making tutorials because they are usually the DIY homesteading videos (also cool of course) and this is showing you the science behind the process thus raising the credibility of the video.
Thank you very much.
I have a quick question though.
I have browsed the comments and noticed that the same can be done if we use the powdered mushroom rather than the fresh fruiting body except the ratio would be 1:5 (mushroom:alcohol). Am I correct?
Also, once we have created the double-extracted tincture, may we dilute it even more just for the sake of practicality if we will use the droppers. (I don't mind shaking them :) ). How do we figure out what the dosage would need to be though?
Thanks in advance.
Hey, thanks for all of your kind words!
You’re correct, dry herbs/fungus are all extracted typically at 1:5, although I’ve done them at 1:3 as well (more concentrated but better for bigger batches).
Yes, if you keep it in the fridge you can dilute it further. Actually the more you dilute with your decoction, the more likely the polysaccharides will stay in solution, but keep it in the fridge and use it up as it will be more susceptible to mold.
Great video.
How long can the final product be stored in the fridge!
Do you use Everclear or vodka or ...
Thanks!
@@logiclab1 you don’t have to store in the fridge, it contains alcohol and is shelf stable as long as your final etoh is 25% or higher. I use an organic cane alcohol for the organic alcohol company. It is 95% alcohol, and gets diluted down by the fresh mushroom and the decocted tea.
I started watching your tincture videos a month ago and I’m very grateful for all the information you shared with us. I ordered that awesome press you have for sell🤙
Rad! I’m glad you’re liking my content 😊
Fantastic video Colleen! After watching numerous videos that have left me confused as to exactly what I’m supposed to be doing you’ve simplified it beautifully. Thank you so much for the dilution equation. One thing that I did not quite catch is the amount of water used for the decoction. Can you please tell me how you determine the amount for water for the decoction part of the extraction?
Hi Gwen. Sorry I didn't cover that in the video. I would do a 1:5 to ensure you have enough volume to add back into the tincture.
Dehydrate it first, then grind it up in a coffee or herb grinder, then put in the alcohol solvent, and spend $80 on an ultrasonic cleaner, takes 90 minutes instead of two weeks.
Comment with some links so folks can try, thanks!!
So why not dry the mushroom out before the alcohol extraction?
You skipped how you pressed the LM out of the alcohol. Did you use the same press you used with the water decoction?
Yes! It’s a great and really affordable press that you can get new or used on eBay:
www.google.com/shopping/product/5601763238339590572?q=welles.juice+press&client=safari&hl=en-us&biw=414&bih=697&tbs=vw:l,ss:44&prmd=msivn&sxsrf=ALeKk02Eyy2SOBHJDS1XLsvhOnfadxPQ9Q:1623550763204&prds=eto:9700170661720461118_0,cdl:1,prmr:1,cs:1
I also discuss using the press a lot in my infused oil video: ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html
That’s exactly what I’ve been looking for. Great video.
You should grab yourself a 500-1000 ml soxhlet. You'll get significantly higher yields on both your alcohol and water extracts, it's also really cheap (less than 200$ for your entire setup). It's great for plants too :) I have epilepsy and make a lot of my own medicines
@@JoshFlook-xs1wl cool, thanks for the tip!
What benefit is there in simply eating it?
Great video. I am not sure how heathy it is to be consuming alcohol while pregnant is. ???
We’re talking 2-3 mls at a time, so pretty safe, but if you’re concerned, try making a glycerite instead. Also to be mentioned re: pregnancy, many herbs and fungus are contraindicated during pregnancy so be sure to ask a trained professional before consuming any supplements while pregnant.
What kind of alcohol? Denatured ethanol?
Hi Aaron, my favorite and the one used by many medicine makers I know is organic cane 95% from the organic alcohol company: organicalcohol.com/organic-cane-alcohol-1-gallon/
Excellent content--precise, thorough, and pleasantly delivered!
Is there any way to concentrate this formula? It seems like a small amount of mushroom relative the to the volume of tincture produced…
Use dry lions mane for less liquid
Hi I'm wondering if my tinctures can be salvaged. I just got my hydrometer and used it to test my products. Only to discover the alcohol by volume is way too low :(( also the tinctures were made over a year ago and I'm wondering if they are ruined!! Ughh,...I'm so discouraged 😞 this is probably a silly question but, can alcohol be added to bring up the ABV? Thx for your excellent videos.
Would love to know how working with a dried product would be different
change the ratio to a 1:3 or 1:5. Some herbalists like to do a 1:3, some prefer a 1:5; the higher the ratio, the more diluted the extract, the lower the ratio, the lower the yield...
What type of press are you using? Where did you find it?
It's the welles juice press. You can now purchase it directly from me :) (its been out of stock for YEARS).
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Man this is exactly what I was looking for
How about oyster mushrooms is there a point to make a tincture with those? Thank you
Great video! One question -- wouldn't the alcohol basically just destroy the b-glucan? So hericenones, erinacenes and whatever other alcohol soluble compounds would be available but not the water soluble. Also, doesn't the lions mane have to be grown on wood?
Ive asked other herbal medicine maker this questions and no, they wont be destroyed. They may fall out of solution but they aren't "destroyed." Just shake before taking.
Can you do water first then alcohol?
I normally tincture with 40% alcohol and occasionally 60% everclear. Since these alcohols already contains a ton of water, is there a way to just heat the alcohol extract prior to pressing, to extract the water soluble compounds? Are those compounds being partially extracted by the cold water during the 2 week alcohol soak, or is heat the only way to begin that process? Thanks for the great video!
I thouught because of their high water content, the LM needed dehydrated 1st.
What are the ratios if the LM has been dehydrated?
I love this video! Thank you so much! I just wish you had shown the first pressing. I don't understand how you would have put something so relatively liquid into a tray seemingly meant for fruits/solids. I've never used a presser before so maybe it would be more obvious once I have some experience.
Right, sorry about that! I usually run liquidy things like this through a fine mesh coffee filter before pressing the mass. Mr coffee makes one. I also have a pressing for infused oils that may offer some insight:
ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html
When using a filter wet it first with alcohol to strain. The good stuff won’t stick to the filter if wet with alcohol first
Hey,
Brilliant video, well explained, very clear and easy to follow! Thank you for this! You are the first one I found in loong time!
I have 2 questions, there is so much confusion out there about this, and I trust you can bring light on this.
1. Fresh or dried?
2. 95% or less is enough? What exactly are we extracting with the alcohol?'
3. What is the equision then for double extraction
Using fresh lion´s mane I understand it is essential to use 95% alcohol or else it will be like trying to extract the components in beer.
Btw, what are those chemical we are juicing out?
Is it possible to use dried lion´s mane (does it still have all the goodness?) and extract it in vodka (is it strong enough to extract those chemicals?)?
Let´s say it is possible. How do I get to a double extraction? Using the same equision? I assume, the % will go down to 35 already during the 2 weeks. How do I have space then to introduce water extract into my tincture? Is it possible at all?
Thanks a lot! This will solve the last bit of the mushroom-riddle! :)
wow, quite the comment! I'll do my best to help:
1. Fresh or dried? either is fine, but dry is easier to control. they should both be just as potent.
2. 95% or less is enough? What exactly are we extracting with the alcohol? Hericenones and Erinacines are alcohol and neuroprotective.
3. What is the equision then for double extraction; see this video: ruclips.net/user/live7ukoVnxfSTI?feature=share
Good luck!
As a compounding pharmaceutical chemist I was very interested in this "dilution equation" and was rather disappointed to learn it didn't exist and you were simply balancing a normal solve for x.
I could never teach others something that I know so little about, I would feel silly, like a fraud. You are very brave to do so.
If you are a Compounding Pharmaceutical Chemist, lend a hand here, what would an accurate "dilution equation" be for making the most effective tincture? Step up and help us all out please. We would love to hear some professionalism here. Ready, GO!!
umm this magical "dilution equation" is just year 8 mathematics, I think they call it solve for x. Like "if you know a/b = x/c , given a,b & c what is x?".
im sure a primary school teacher explains solve for x better but there's my attempt since you asked@@tylersathern1076
You’re playing with semantics
thats ok, im not anti-semantic at all!@@ProfI-i8m
Could you use the Korean method by using sugar?
What is the shelf life of the final product?
Very nice video.
I hate to be picky, but I think you were supposed to add 875 ml of pure water to the 750 of decoction. You want to more than half the alcohol %. The volume of diluent should be more than the original decoction/menstruum/effluent. That is why your final hydrometer reading is at 35%, not 30%. Sorry, I used to be a Chemistry teacher. :)
Can you do this with dried lion’s mane?
Hi- newbie. I have organic dried, how do I calculate that :)
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1:3 or 1:5 ratio so weigh the lions mane in grams and multiply by 3 or 5 to get the solvent volume
Hi there that's a great presentation. BTW what's the quantity of water in your decoction for 162 grams of mushroom. Also how long did you simmer the decoction. please. Thanks.
I got it from other the comment. So it's 1:5. 1 part mushroom slurry cake to 5 parts water, hopefully distilled water.
I'd be safe and 1:10, you'll loose a lot of water in the decoction process. Distilled water is fine. Assuming you did this already, was 1:5 enough?
@@HerbNerdSchool my etoh slurry is rather thick. I did 1:3 ratio as you mentioned. Would you advice on adding more etoh to the slurry to make it 1:5 please. Thanks for your support
I have a question, so what’s the dose that you take per how much grams of mushrooms you’ve processed? When I make a tea I usually use 5 g of mushrooms, is the dose lower because of the extraction process. extracts more?
I can see that everyone feels the same, after watching so many videos on herbs and tincture making you have finally made one that leaves no questions!! Very well done and I am excited to be a new subscriber to your channel and to see what else I can learn from you!
I have one question, where can I find that hydraulic press you are using? Thanks again and keep up the great work!!
HI, thanks for your kind words
From all the videos I’ve watched must of them are first timers and really have no idea what they’re doing. I appreciate this woman’s knowledge and professionalism ❤
Does 62% alcohol cooking wine work for alcohol extraction?
Thank you for such detail video. moreover thanks for sharing the formula. I just have 1 doubt regarding the shelf life of the tincture. for how long (years/months) it can be kept and how to store?
As long as the final ethanol is above 25% is can last 1-2 years without refrigeration. If you open the bottle and hear a “hisssss”, it’s gone bad.
Thank you very much for the video. I have a question though, doesn’t the high concentration of alcohol ruin the polysaccharides in the mushroom?
I did some research on this since you aren’t the first person to ask, and no it doesn’t denature the polysaccharides. But, you can always do the steps in reverse order, decoct the lions mane first then extract with alcohol (store the mushroom tea in the freezer while you do the alcohol extract).
@@HerbNerdSchool thank you, i really appreciate it.
Dosage please.
1-2 droppers-full 2-3 times a day.
QUESTION;
Why did you add the alcohol to the 2nd blender of Lions Mane? Instead, blend the Lions Mane, strain all the water out of the blended Lions Mane. Get rid of the water. Then weigh the Lions Mane again, this starts you out correctly measuring the mushroom weight, then add times 2 alcohol milliliters. ???
Shake for 2 weeks, there's your first extract. Correct???
don't throw it away while everything is done, make vinegar from it :just add cool bolied sweet water ( 4 tbsp for 1 liter of water), cover with clean cloth and tie (protect from insects), stir once daliy with clean wooden spoon for about two weeks, after 3 weeks it's ready to use, it can stand for a long time
I am amazed you have not contaminated your work.
What’s thé best way to consume it? To have the best of all the muschroom have to offert.? Thanks you so
Much! 🙂
In tincture form, 2-3 ml 2 times a day. Also eating the whole mushroom imparts the same benefits.
Thank you so much for this beautiful video, I enjoyed very much, and can see what it is that I needed to learn to make better tincture of Lions mane.
I absolutely love your teaching style. I read all the comments hoping to find my answer. Is it better to use fresh marc for the decoction and tincture? Also, I couldn't figure out where you got the 800+ ML of liquid that you measured and added to your decoction. The liquid in the hydrometer? Where did it come from? (29.02 minutes) then you put the whole decoction into your tincture. I am lost. How do you know if you simmer enough of the water away when making your decoction. Thanks for this amazing video.
Hi Colleen great video thank you. Quick question where can I buy that press? Thank you
Hi! Sadly the press has been out of stock since 2020 😞
@@HerbNerdSchool ah no that sucks thank you
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Is it okay to use dried lions mane?
An investment in a sonicator would greatly reduce the time needed to make extractions as it breaks down the cell wall and allows the solvent to pull out more of the alkaloids/compounds in only an hour or less.
Cool, never tried that! Thanks for the tip, do you have a supplier you recommend?
@@HerbNerdSchool depends on your budget there's many different brands and wattage and different probes to use. Look up some videos on youtube of ppl making herbal extracts using them.
@@vidlover07 I wonder if an ultrasonic cleaner, like what's used for cleaning jewelry might do the same.... they can be relatively inexpensive.
@@blenderbenderguy it can do the same thing just the sound frequencies have to travel through another vessel inside the bath instead of the probe directly into the menstrum solution, might just take longer, sonication process on it's down does generate alot of heat
Firstly, congrats on the baby ...hope it all went well for you both.
Now re this vid, cheers for taking the time to make it..I am however totally confused.part 1 was very clear and then you lost me at the start of part 2. I mean when did the pressing happen? What was it you compressed?end of part 1 the mixture looked whitish but at the start of part 2 it was a honey colour....I'm totally confused😠
Sorry, no one’s perfect 👍🏼
I first strain using a fine mesh coffee strainer insert: criobru.com/products/coffee-maker-filter-to-make-crio-bru?variant=41363233177800
Then I use my hydraulic press to finish up. You can watch me straining out a maceration in this video:
ruclips.net/video/yMFpzzVbtFE/видео.html
Unfortunately the press I own is no longer made. Good luck!
Thanks for the video and detailed explanation. One question that came up was, why do you do the alcohol extract first, rather than the hot water extraction? I read that hot water extraction should come first to break the chitin walls, which the alcohol cannot break. Thanks!
Yes you can absolutely do it in the reverse order
What kind of alcohol?? Thank you