David Butler & Mike Day | The Ancient Temple and The Sermon on the Mount PART I
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In this episode of the "Ask the Experts Interview Series" the Paul brothers have a discussion with David Butler and Mike Day about the extensive research and study Dave has done to find the plain and precious truths in the scripture to understand the “mysteries” of God.
D. John Butler (Dave) is a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. His training is in law, and he also writes fiction. He has written two books on his finds in the scriptures entitled “Plain and Precious Things” and “The Goodness and The Mysteries”.
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I just finished reading David's Book on Plain and Precious Things. As a Jew and a Believer in the Book of Mormon I can only say he has done an amazing job. Definitely worth the read!
Glad to see you comment king 👑 You're a true disciple of Yahweh as well. You, Avraham Gileadi, and Dave Butler have changed my life by helping me to acquire the "learning of the Yehudim"
If it has Robert Kay’s blessing we should all be studying David, and Robert Kay!
I am so glad I found this comment! Thank you so much amazing stuff to read, listen, and watch!
Does he use the JST in his books? I noticed everyone at the table completely ignored everything in the JST and that seems like a big red flag to me!
David Butler's books need more exposure. They radically changed the way I read scripture. They are a must-read for anybody who reads the Book of Mormon.
What are the books called? Gosh so they mention it in this?😂 Did I miss that?
I think he is rong
@@ErinMbanepray about it, or don’t but you are entitled to believe in your way.
@@casadelswain434 I did and the lord Jesus told me it’s wrong. Because it’s not about the temple. Temple cannot save but Jesus Christ can . Because this is what his saying many many times in the scripture. you have read the scripture sister?
Liken unto a patriarchal blessing, where you receive direct and divine revelation. You probably should not talk about what the lord, and Heavenly Father has directly said to you. You should treat it as sacred because it is. Plus on top on this that may not be true for everyone because to the people who understand the scripture it may be helpful for them to theory craft on top of what they know.
I was glad to come across this in preparation for my temple prep class on the plan of salvation this Sunday. Last night I was reading Alma 11 and came across “mysteries of God” and went “ooohhhhhh” and the entire chapter came together in a whole new light.
Mike Day is the seminary teacher I never had! I so appreciate these episodes and Talking Scripture and Unshaken and Follow Him. Scripture study and institute classes in my pocket while I do chores and run errands in between wrangling kiddos! Now if only there were audio formats for the suggested books….. that’s like the only way I can actually “read” and finish books (that aren’t 90% pictures) these days 😂
We were lucky to have Mike Day in our community as a seminary teacher:)
Mike Day's co-host on their podcast is unbearable.
I (Mike Day) have good news. David's new book is coming out in audio format. I begged the Paul brothers to make it available in audio format. You have my wife to thank for that. She converted me to audiobooks! You can do chores, pick up the kiddos, go for a hike, all while being enlightened. David's book comes out in May 2024. I have read it and it is delicious.
@@talkingscripture oh yay! Bless your wife!!!
@@talkingscripturethank you! Thank you! From the busy mom section. 👏🏻
The best move you could have made. David Butler & Mike Day are Legendary instructors of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I have Dave John Butler's book Plain And Precious Things and The Goodness and the Mysteries The books came out before he started writing novels. A must-have for those who desire to dive deeper into the gospel and find Jesus Christ. As far as Mike Day host of "Talking Scripture", this channel is hands down the best RUclips Come Follow from the past, hence (Legendary). I was introduced to Mr. Butler through a Talking Scripture episode EP | 73 if you want more watch it as well. One last plug for The Stick of Joseph I am excited to take this journey of the Book of Mormon with all of you. Hang on!
Long story short:
In the 1980s, the University of Utah hired two Coptic Egyptian Linguistic Professors to translate some texts from English into Arabic. The LDS Church learned of the professors' presence in Salt Lake City and asked them to proof-read the recently translated Arabic Book of First Nephi.
Previously, the Church hired a bilingual American to perform the Arabic Book of First Nephi translation and wanted a native speaker to proof-read for accuracy and grammar. The professors both refused. Eventually, the Church persuaded one professor to perform the proof-read.
Long story short continues:
Upon completion of the proof-read, the professor told the Church NOT to publish this transcript, because it used extremely juvenile Arabic. "Publishing this transcript which is so simplistic and mediocre will embarrass the Church", he said. So, the Church asked him to translate the entire Book of Mormon. He refused. Eventually the Church persuaded him to perform the entire translation.
Some months following the completed Arabic translation, that Egyptian Linguistics Professor spoke at a seminar in Salt Lake City. My father attended that seminar. One attendee asked the professor to comment on his general impressions of the Book of Mormon. The professor replied, "I do not know who wrote the Book of Mormon, but I do know that it was not written by a 19th century, 24 year old, English speaking American".
Interesting story
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❤ Thank you for sharing!
I laughed when I heard this, in a good way.
@@truthbebold4009as far as it is translated correctly.
I was in Dave's ward for a few years. He would teach sometimes. They were the best Elders quorum lessons I've ever been in.❤ I miss being in his ward.
Go to his new ward.
Good video.
Once the student is ready, the master will appear. The secret is realizing, the master was there all along.
Vendyl Jones is the real archaeologist that Indiana Jones is based on. He discovered many things pertaining to the temple and studied with the rabbis to understand better what he was looking for like the ashes of the red heifer. He also discovered many jars of temple incense. He was a Texan and a Christian.
This is amazing! Great content! I watched again to make notes as I’ve been trying to understand the temple more. It’s very interesting to me that when you are an endowed member the scriptures open up to you in a way that no others can see! It’s like a secret code maybe? The endowment is all over the scriptures! It’s amazing! Really a miracle to me. When you have that knowledge, personal revelation opens up in your mind to find further meaning and it swells inside. It’s amazing. What a blessing! Thank you for this content. Learning about the temple in a deeper way is so fascinating. Personal revelation and the mysteries of God are revealed through this important ordinance.
Ahhh! I feel like I’ve been waiting for more Mike Day + David Butler episodes forever!!! Thank you for having them both! 🙏🏼 So stoked for this series!!! 👏🏼😃👏🏼
This discussion really reminded me of how David Alexander talks about Temple Ordinances as a Bible knower before even participating in modern temple ordinances beyond vicarious baptisms. So cool.
Have you noticed how David Alexander has gotten even better since his endowment?
Wow.
I loved when you had Mike Day on last time. Can't wait to listen to this one.
I love Dave. My old missionary buddy in Genova when he was studying Hebrew. His fiction is fun... loved Witchy Eye. I remember the first time I met him playing basketball at the MTC. It has been fun to watch his walk in life and literature. Thank you for this gift!
At about minute 106 when you were talking about the order of Moses, Elias, Jesus, my mind went to the order of appearance by them in the Kirtland Temple when they appeared to Joseph, etc after it was dedicated.
Me too
Yep!
When you were talking about the peaceable things this scripture came to mind.
Moses 6:61
Therefore it is given to abide in you; the record of heaven; the Comforter; the peaceable things of immortal glory; the truth of all things; that which quickeneth all things, which maketh alive all things; that which knoweth all things, and hath all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice, and judgment.
I love finding new lenses to view through. One time I went to the Temple and marriage was the backdrop on my mind. And royalty and how Kings and Queens are crowned in the ceremony. The rings on the fingers and the scepters and staff. So rich with symbols and absolutely beautiful to me. Look up Jesus name written on your right hand in Hebrew. It was so profound to me. And when you look up the things as to the meaning of rings on certain fingers it just opens more up of what we've been given. Also being covered by the right Hand of God. Psalms 91 and all over the scriptures. I saw a video about how the big Dipper is on the Salt lake Temple. I'm from Georgia so I've never known or seen that. But if you think about vessels and cups and those things it brings so much more understanding. The brother that spoke of this talked about the cup we bring to be filled by the Savior for sacrament or to the Temple. And the promise that he heard from the Lord. That if we bring a cup the size of the big Dipper the Lord will fill it! I can say that this discussion has definitely done this for me. I always write when I find Temple language in the scriptures but this made it so much larger and delicious!
When you go into the sacrament on Sunday look up at the lights in there and think of the Temple. What do they look like to you other than lights?
It's a connection for me with Sunday worship and the larger sacrament we partake of with Temple worship.
Imagine those lights filled with liquid light being poured out onto us!
It's so beautiful. Thanks for sharing. I am going to share this as well. Have an amazing Thursday y'all❤🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌
The discussion on Matthew 5:48 was so insightful....'be ye therefore perfect'... which was translated from the Greek as a command. Dave says the underlying Greek was a future statement of 'you will be perfect'. I've never heard this before. How many of us struggle with the thought of never being good enough for the church. Learning about the translation of this single verse helps me feel better, that I'm doing alright! Just stay on the straight and narrow and we'll get there.
Yes. Members need to stop this belief. I can see how they do this but it’s not at all literal. This is why we are asked to search the scriptures.
He is wrong. Those are just “flattering words.”
Yes, it’s a command. It’s not a declaration. Because the command is to repent of ALL sin, and this commandment is repeated more in scripture than any other thing. Be. Perfect.
However, I sympathize with you completely. The reason we (especially myself, almost committed suicide) constantly feel like we can’t be perfect is because we apply all these other unattainable pressures on us. And they come from the church, I’m sad to say.
We need to figure out what HIS definition of perfect is and reconcile ourselves to it. As we learn more, we must live according to that much more.
The only reason I know the Savior today, and that I’m still alive, is because I chose to be the Laminate who threw away my false traditions. Those traditions crushed me. And they crush almost everyone else in the church.
But the answer is not to change what Jesus said and pretend it’s ok not to be perfect right now. The answer is to understand what He meant by it.
He came to the earth to prove that yes, it is possible. We CAN live without sin. He literally did it from birth to death. And it was wayyy harder for Him than it will be for any of us. Not easier. He was tempted infinitely more. So we can do it! We just need to unlearn a few things.
@@JulioRamezz How does this come from the church? I see it coming from the members. All the general authorities, apostles and prophets teach are what Jesus would teach us. The members are the ones internalizing it wrong.
The BoM tells us that it is a command. Or was that mistranslated?
@@sarahbean6170 I’m afraid, no. I’ll explain why I disagree.
One major reason for my suicidal ideation was because a general authority who I won’t name, but could prove to you by showing you our text messages, made specific promises to me twice, over a period of 8 years, regarding my military career. These promises were time-bound, and I was beyond faithful. They did not come to pass in the slightest.
When I cried and admitted to God that I believed this leader was wrong, I thought He would scold me for having no faith. But the exact opposite happened. Then my entire situation changed because I began to learn.
Now I have written an entire book’s worth of extremely significant doctrines that these men teach which the Savior not only wouldn’t teach, but DIRECTLY preached against. In the plainest terms.
I won’t regurgitate them here because that always leads to arguing and “well that’s just your interpretation” type of talk. But I feel like you’re sincere and I have no desire to argue.
But for the smaller things that add stress, I’ll mention some of the extra fluff that comes directly from the church authorities that Jesus never said.
- do your home teaching
- every young man must go on a mission
- shave your face
- cut your hair
- wear a white shirt and tie
- only one pair of earrings (women only)
- alcohol makes you unworthy (D&C 88 literally recommends beer)
- follow the prophet
- anyone who doesn’t agree with the current church leaders is damned (He would be in that group in His day)
- go to the temple weekly
- go to the temple at all for that matter
- do not masturbate
- do not drink coffee or tea
- give the church 10% of your paycheck
- go to mutual, scouts, young women, service projects, choir practice, FHE, auxiliary meetings, temple cleaning, orchard picking, canning, and etc. [in other words he never said to cumber your schedule just to feel righteous] The above are all things that top General Authorities have demanded. And have made members feel bad for if they’ve failed to do.
Jesus isn’t saying hard work and service to others isn’t important. But He also never said to relinquish that power to the church and let them dictate how you do it so you can check the box. These constant cumbersome extra “commandments” from the top leaders is what drove my faithful mother into insanity, feeling more and more worthless the harder she served.
She took religious notes during conference to ensure she didn’t leave one stone unturned of things she was supposed to do (not according to bishop’s opinion, but from the general conference pulpit).
Do you feel equally encumbered? The need to live up to all these ridiculous things that don’t satisfy your soul? No wonder you’re convinced that perfection is impossible.
But… You CAN still live the law to the “T” and not feel this way. The first thing is requires is to do what I did and acknowledge to Heavenly Father that it doesn’t feel right, even if it’s coming from someone you believe speaks on His behalf.
Then, see what the God of James 1:5 tells you in response…
I illustrated the covers of Dave's first two books! He is one of my oldest and best friends. He has also modeled for one of my other paintings.🎨
I LOVE your artwork, king 👑 I want to hang a canvas of the cover of "Plain and Precious Things" in my home
Holy cow, that went quick! So much good stuff, please share more! I’d love to hear more from both David and Mike.
More to come tomorrow!
Wow, the 2nd RUclips channel I’ve ever found that isn’t bashing Mormons…great job guys! ❤🎉😊
So stoked to see both David and Mike on! Awesome job, my brothers
Love these videos that focus on the spiritual messages in the Book of Mormon. This is what the book was written for. The geography ones are interesting, but that is not the focus of the book. It is to bring us to Jesus and follow him to God.
Agreed! These fire me up!
Mike Day!!!!!! Stoked for every episode he's in!!
He's the best!
@thestickofjoseph this David Butler fella ain't to bad neither! Just stuck his 2 books in my cart. Keep bringing these people on your show. Appreciate you two!!
Wow you 4 had great synergy with the Spirit connecting dots. I can't get enough of Talking Scripture and you guys and now to have you all together with such a wonderful guest was amazing.
Most new chapels of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints are modeled after Solomon's temple design. The porch is the overflow, the main body of the chapel is the nave and the stand where you walk up stairs to get to is the holy of holies. The front of the stand is the veil and the podium which is just behind the veil, just like in Solomon's temple is where you here the voice of the Lord. In some of the older chapels you also have the same number of lights hanging from the ceiling as their are oil lamps on the menorah.
I see it now!
What about the temples? They are nice to look at but not patterned after the first temple, just a bunch of rooms inside no?
@@jameswebb321the progression is still the same. Extra rooms include baptistry, sealing rooms, dressing rooms, offices, and support-all important.
Modern temples do more than the ancient ones.
@@jameswebb321 Actually All modern temples are patterned after Solomon's Temple (which wasn't the first temple). Where you are baptized and where initiatory is performed is compared to the porch of solomon's temple, which didn't have a roof, because it is all part of the lone and dreary world. Next in Solomon's Temple you move into the Nave, the second room. In the modern day temples this is the Endowment room or the Telestial room. Then finally in Solomon's Temple we pass through the veil and into the Holy of Holies. In modern temples we pass through a veil and move into the Celestial room. All the same pattern.
Excellent content. This reminds me of a book I own called, who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord by LeGrand Baker and Stephen D ricks. It discusses ancient temple worship contained in the psalms, almost as a manual.
Reading it right now.
Please add chapters to this video to go back and listen to certain sections again.
Thank you all so much! Certainly learned more understanding from all of this discussion! Learning never ends!
The Book of Mormon is very True. The Temple and my covenants are ancient they are The Beginning.. it makes it so special and Real thank You for Showing and Teaching the Coolest stuff about The Temple.
This is fantastic. More of this as soon as possible please!
Dropping today at 3PM
I love your time and effort for these videos. Keep up the great work. I have listened to Mike Day and Talking Scripture for 4 years now. He has so much knowledge to share. I can't help but grin a little watching him fidget when he has something to share, but is not hardly able to get in a word. David Butler should be on a separate video where he doesn't have to let someone else talk. Many blessings from a senior sister missionary waiting for our 4th mission call.
This was awesome! Can't wait for #2!
I always enjoy learning from David. Thanks for sharing big brother!
I love my _Annotated Book of Mormon_ !
Thank you so much Hayden and Jackson! I have discovered your videos and I love them! This is one of my favorites. You are doing a wonderful job, and I really appreciate you for tackling such big wonderful topics! God bless both of you!
God bless you! Thanks for your support
There is something here that reminds me of an experience that I had. I will have to ponder on it and rewatch this and write it down.
So . . . I was discussing with my brother the actions of Lucifer and his fall and how it related to the scriptural statement that "he became Satan".
We hypothesized that on other worlds the role of Satan or the accuser was an assigned role administered by a faithful follower of God; an angel sent from the presence of God to execute the will of God in matters pertaining particularly to the Fall of Adam. His work was to execute the very same actions that Lucifer executed, yet under the direction and care of God. Thus, in this manner, the Fall would be a planned and orchestrated event with purpose and proper timing.
However, Lucifer "became Satan". He was chosen for the adversarial role but succumbed (best word I have in English) to the power of the position and fell to become the Adversary of God.
All other angels from time immemorial have withstood the temptation and become exalted right along with their brothers and sisters. However, Lucifer has lost that right because he loves being vicious and evil and being the opposition. He has become Satan.
When Enoch saw that this world is most evil above all other worlds which God has created; it is not a hyperbolic statement. Because of the presence of Lucifer, who has lost his first estate by rebellion; in combination with that power ordained upon him by God as the Adversary; the necessity of the intercession of Jehovah became essential.
Only a God could rectify the catastrophe brought on by Lucifer's rebellion. This is the only earth in all of God's creations which the Son of Man has died upon. There are other earths and other sons of God but here is where it all happens for real. Because Lucifer became Satan.
Sometimes I think there may have been other Satans. I don't know. Sometimes I think Lucifer snuck out of God's presence, like a teenager sneaking out of the house at night, and met a Satan from another world who shared an alternative with him.
This really disturbs me. Not your comment, but the fact. I have wondered what I did or didn't do to deserve the literal worst earth existence. I wish I could I have gone to a less wicked earth 😔
@tiffanyseavy565 I always thought in this round of God eternal progression there was only one Redeemer, Jesus, and other worlds would have learned about Jesus dieing on our Earth.
Very fascinating dive can't wait for the next parts to come out
I'm just working my way through "Plain and Precious Things". Incredible insights!!
This is fire! Great discussion guys! I’m going to listen several times and write it down to try and absorb it.
The library has been moved to the Hill Shim for protective purposes, my dream is to spend the Millennium reading every scroll in it, once it becomes “open to the public”
Moroni is the best Librarian ever!!
You can buy David’s first Book here: Plain and Precious Things: The Temple Religion of the Book of Mormon's Visionary Men a.co/d/98866bD
I have two of his books. ❤
Visons of Glory is a good book too, I'd recommend it if you like to delve deeper into truth
great stuff! I've got to check out that book!
As a skeptic who studied Greek ever before embracing the Book of Mormon, I can testify I verified his claims in Greek about "You will be" Perfect instead of "be perfect". I ordered the book. You should have him on perhaps once every month or 2 because he is bringing forth needed treasures.
Just bought it on Kindle 🎉❤
Been watching every minute of the videos with these guys…they are incredible!
K just got done listening to it all. This episode has fully turned my scripture study and way of looking at things in its head. I know the Book of Mormon has loads of temple symbolism in it along with the OT and NT as I've been told many times and heard from people like you. I get glimpses at times but not as much as I feel is there. I've looked and looked and rather than be an Easter egg hunt it has turned into trying to find a leprechaun and a pot gold instead. It's been very frustrating but this episode shone a huge spot light and helped me view things through appropriate lenses. I'm so very thankful!
One more thing - this was amazing. Thanks so much guys!
About 56:00 (being cast out, or the covenant penalty piece is also very interesting to those of us of a certain age. In my own original temple covenants, a similar reminder was given for the covenants we took. This adds to my awe at the endowment or gift of knowledge and covenant that Jesus was bestowing on his disciples and now, for those of us who in a dim way understand the need of covenant.
Excellent on soo many levels!
Glad you think so!
I'd love to hear more of a break down of Nephi and Lehi's vision from this perspective....they referenced enough that it made me want a deeper dive there
Standby…. coming soon!!!
This video is amazing! I seriously need to get back to the temple to look for some of these connections!
Jesus teaching a temple prep course and recommend interview, to be followed by anointing and endowment for his closest disciples who had ears to hear. 😊
Ha! Temple recommend interview! Great point😁
At 54:54 you mention a tree in the Temple with 7 branches. I have noticed a tree but never paid attention to the branches in a staring role enough to count them. I was surprised it was so obvious to you all as I didn't think I had missed something significant like that during the endowment.
Been a member for sixty years . Never heard of David Butler or his books. Ordered both.
Really good stuff here. Wonder if you might be able to talk Mr. Butler back on to do a follow up about the remarks that were made about Melchizedek. Not too sure if that is possible but it would be really interesting to take a trip down that road.
You guys better get that part 2 out quick! You cut it off too soon!! Am i giving you guys enough engagement to stoke the fires of the algorithm? Lol
I concur!! 😂
Mind blown! I just discovered some things in 1Nephi 1 this time around that I never paid attention to before, and I thought it was so cool, and then you came and gave me something more! Goodness gracious! I know nothing!!
That is how I feel!
Me too!
At the conclusion of the parable of the sower in Matthew 13, this is recorded (also found in Luke 8):
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
"... He was speaking the word to them, so far as they were able to hear it; and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples." He teaches through symbolism, and explains PRIVATELY (in the temple??) to HIS OWN DISCIPLES.
Absolutely amazing discussion.
At 1:25:34 when Hayden says he would go to the King Follet Land theme park as a hypothetical and a joke, I couldn’t help but think: “you’ve been several times. That’s the temple.”
I would love to see a reproduction of what this ceremony as David lays out would look like.
This is all a stretch and out of control parallelism
Very interesting, thanks for the study session guys. Love your channel
This is Gold. You guys are the best!
Much of this coincides with Max Freedom Long’s book titled “What Jesus Taught in Secret” … the word “Initiate” continues to occur over and over in ancient writings. When David began using this word at the start of the podcast, I totally perked up. It coincides with what Max Freedom Long writes in his book, while studying the ancient Huna writings of the Hawaiian priests, who are also believed to be “initiates” into the purest form of Christ’s gospel teachings. So David I would love to sit in your basement for a very long time and pour over some of the plain and precious things that explain the “mysteries of God”.
When the Well of Souls was mentioned, I completely nerded out.
I wonder if Brandon Sanderson was thinking of this when he wrote about the well of ascension...
Oh my, this is AWESOME - This is just like when I read Matthew B Brown's book called the Gate of Heaven - it opened up things about the temple that I had never thought of before. David Butler's thoughts are blowing my mind. Thanks for this content. I wish he was my elders quorum instructor.
I had the pleasure of meeting David at Life, the Universe, and Everything (annual science fiction and fantasy symposium in Provo) last year. If I see him again next month I'll want to talk about this.
Excellent video, can't wait for part 2! Sometimes I wonder if the temple cap and gown and how we graduate from the terrestrial world to the celestial world are depicted in today's world with caps and gowns worn when we graduate in school as we grow and advance in knowledge.
Also, love the new studio! One piece of advice especially if you're going to wear dark colors would be to have a light on the floor behind you or guests so they don't blend into the background.
Part 2 is already up! Enjoy!
The square academic cap comes from the Masons.
Hugh Nibley's famous commencement address- "Here we are gathered in the robes of the false priesthood..."
As Hugh Nibley pointed out, the university is a poor copy of the temple.
At around 11:50 Mike Day states that he had not heard anyone teach John 1 as David Butler has taught it. I saw another interesting video by Farrell & Rhonda Pickering about the words "In the beginning" from Genesis 1:1. It was mind blowing! For those who are interested that video and what was taught applies to John 1:1 as well. I hope it's okay to post the link: ruclips.net/video/q7MsKgsowsk/видео.htmlsi=p5Bg5f7Rg4AB8Ojj
@thestickofjoseph - you should try to get them on your channel.
This video series is going to be mind blowing too. I am excited to listen to all of it.
I agree, the Pickerings are amazing
To paraphrase from the King Follet Discourse, this tastes good.
When Jesus had visited the Nephites he had completed his mission and was then a resurrected being! That is why he said in 3 Nephi Even as I or as your Father in Heaven is perfect!
Love the new set, guys!
This is awesome, keep the good work!
Wow. I can't say I understand it all, but it was so interesting so far!
This is so good. Sharing!
Hey guys, Check out the JST of Luke 11:52. The JST actually moves it to verse 53. This is something that was discussed in this podcast 1:05:15.
Luke 11:53 JST Woe unto you, lawyers! For ye have taken away the *key of knowledge, the fulness of the scriptures* ; ye enter not in yourselves into the kingdom; and those who were entering in, ye hindered.
really cool! thanks for sharing!
They would have caught that if they had actually looked at and not completely ignored the JST!
Happy to hear mikes familiar voice!! Great interview! Mind blown 🤯 thanks!!
Moroni 7 is definitely a temple chapter, on a few different levels. For instance-vs 20-25 is the same pattern we find in the temple for how revelation is sent by angels, to the prophets, for the instruction of the Lord’s children in the ways of Christ. There’s more there, but you all could have gone on and on.
“Be [Ordained] as I or my Father have been [Ordained]”
Except that is not what the equivalent verse in the BoM reads. It is a fallacious interpretation.
i love David Butler- but you guys were BRUTAL teasing him- especially the ginger guy 🤣🤣
Jack Welch is the pioneer and leader of those topic. Read his "Illuminating the Sermon on the Mount and the Sermon at the Temple".
Yup, we reference him a few times in this. He has some great work!
Is it John Welch or Jack Welch?
It's John. Friends call him Jack.
Fascinating! Thank you! 📚🏛
Just wanted to point out a few things. I was looking at the JST translation for Matt 5, which includes faith, baptism, and receipt of the Holy Ghost. Its kind of one long beatitude, making 10 and 8, which messes with the cool numerical discussion, but also I think plays into the idea yall discussed about the completeness of the ordinance, especially since baptism and sacraments did seem to happen in or near the ancient temple. I haven't finished yet, but I'm interested to see what other JST changes might alter or enhance the discussion.
Excellent content as always brothers 💪🏻
we do all for you Mr. Snagret
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Wow love this
I really like your guys channel! If you ever need a guest sometime I have some 'out-there' thoughts about the Love of God, Discipleship, daily repentance, purpose of life, faith, the endowment, the priesthood, the spirit world, sin, the great plan of happiness. I served as a bishop in the past (not that means much) and I have shared these ideas with members and they have really be helpful to me and them. Let me know if you would like to chat a bit.
This is so awesome 👌
Great Show !
Oh man, I am just geeking out. Indiana Jones, the ark of the covenant, well of souls… Believe it or not there are actually connections between all of these things in reality. In the state of Indiana, there are a lot of Hopewell sites. Jones is a Welsh name and there are some interesting associations and rumors with that name along with a few other Welsh names. The well of souls symbolically what is a well? Something that is full of water. What is water? Water is life. Where was the original well of souls?
Love this
bought multiple copies of both books. amazing content. Thanks David and Mike and @stickofjoseph
Feb 1 is my birthday!!! I better win the competition haha
Bruh. This is so fascinating.
For all of you interested in the temple...should definitely check out the Podcast: The Ancient Tradition. Pretty good stuff.
As for the White Stone it’s found in the scriptures;
Rev 2:17
Exo 28:21 The high priests breast plates contained the names of the twelve tribes written on the twelve stones ( worn in the temple)
Rev 3:12 ; Rev 14:1
Rom 8:29-30 JST appendix ( those who won in the athletic competitions were given a stone with their names on it and this allowed them entry to a special feast
Dave Butler is great!
17:50 Radio waves are a cool analogy
I like this channel. Great stuff.
Dave announced a third book on his “Scripture Notes” interview arriving in May. We need more DJB!! A third book you have no excuses We need more DJB!!!
Who do you think is publishing it? ;) big things coming. We have 10 hours of filming scheduled with him and Mike tomorrow!
Awesome!!! Christmas in May!!!!