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god this video makes me hate jagex more all they seem to do is spit on their players anymore rs3 is still stealing money from osrs updates and jagex sure loves attacking people over the most dumbest of things like their country is so perfect yeah you Europe want a knife heres a knife to shank these hypocrites with transparency on ones big data is a perfect blade to upend these moronic people who act like their on our level the world health organization shows how their data is obtained and who is messing with this fact uk europe o right but you people think you have room to critique America see the fact is republicans may be morons our country compared to yours is night and day and America knows this why their better helping you compete on a global stage its not wrong to say if we help build up our allies then these fascist will have no room to fight ultimately safeguarding democracy and these fascists from affecting our ideals with their conspiracy and lunacy
jagex was one of the first companies to actually get sued over in game items so they had to remove pvp, even tho that is literally everyone wanted. lol. as far as i knew. anyhow. @@roxaskinghearts
Jagex: permenantly mutes one of their most influential players for not agreeing with them Also jagex: allows thousands of bots to exist at all times to boost membership numbers for public company sales Also jagex: refuses to acknowledge either
I own the main bot core that everyone is using on osrs since 2016. I can confirm there is more bot than real players since mid-2021 and I can confirm there is a side company beyond jagex pay us and *** to boost their main company value. Same things with the GP monopoly the day sand casino was removed. There is alot that players will probably never know and I think this is ok. Who care? Osrs still alive!
@@mike3667 You seem to overlook that they'll be back up within a 2 days to a week even if they need to change scripts out. The fact that they still need to do banwaves is the problem. Furthermore, looking at how long they condoned gambling (aka unfair Fight Arena) and didn't deal with it says a lot. Taking in Mod Trident's actions for that chick into account and Jagex being easily able to find it or hear complaints from the community and not dealing with it reinforces it. The general conclusion drawn from it all is Jagex or its employees are/were gambling/botting themselves and/or selling bot scripts for others to use. While the truth is uncertain, the suspicion is too massive. The time table to resolve the issues took far too long for suspicion to not grow outside reasonable standards.
@@jogizywhen the bots vastly outweigh the players And no real players exist to sell gold to What is the point of the bots? See you all when they re-re-release OSOSRS in 2030.
There is also the time he broke the hiscores when he hit too high of xp at something like 4.4b. He overflowed his hiscore xp and was not rank 1 for awhile until Jagex fixed it.
@hofmantwenty3x Those people fairly gave up their cash. And he did not do any underhanded things to get people to donate. He was the equivalent to Streamers today who get bits from fans for their content they stream and record. You're just a child man, grow up.
@@erickchristensen746 Thats not at all comparable. Streaming is a job. Maxing out skills in a game is an achievment and a challenge. It's understandable many would feel like having other players do the work for you cheapens the challnge and achievment in exactly the same way as paying money for it does.
The incompetence of Jagex is unfathomable. He's a single person, they're a company; how do they manage to collectively keep a grudge towards a single person, not to mention that he's literally THE most hardcore consumer of their game. Shame on Jagex
They were literally going to fly this guy out to effectively be their PR rep and he started talking about how much he masturbates. It's a game for kids. Sorry but you have to be completely unaware of how businesses work if you think they honestly "had it out" for him and weren't simply deathly afraid that they almost had some fap goblin representing their game.
how do you mean they held a grudge towards him? I mean if anyone i invited over for a celebration, all expenses paid, made a video on youtube flaming me and my actions, i think i'd pull back as well ;)
@@THERAMMSTEINFAN490 as far as the video goes: Date X: flaming video is uploaded Date Y: comes back to play and grinds Date Z: goal is reached, invitation is sent You see the problem here?
Jagex is pretty infamous for generally being jerks to their community, if it wasn't for the community voting system I'd think they outright resented having a player base.
@@KiraSlith From what i remember during EoC. The Gowers made it as a family game they never expected to take off. They started off in a cottage making games. It was never expected to hit big, but did. They expected like 100 players and then the game to die like most miniclip games. But people neeted it and that's why you needed 99 smithing to smith lvl 40 armor. 1 person got 99 smithing and wanting something to do, most players saw lvl 40 as a achievement that took 3 days in a era most flash games were like 5-30 minutes long. You had like a duck's life next to saturday cartoon games and mardek rpg. Right around EoC, i heard the rumors were that the Gowers started giving positions not to osrs's most talented players but bully heavy incompetent but related people related to the gowers/management family. That's when eoc started. They didn't know what to do, but knew WoW was popular. So they pushed Eoc. Glassdoor was filled with reports of the people, while family being abusive to workers, constantly assigning nonsense tasks, incompetent, and apparently pay being cut. Apparently the Gowers used to do "jollies" (holiday bonuses and events), catering, and when they sold it, that all got cut. Then it got sold by stockholders. Mod mmg might have been right there. Family jagex after free trade failure was sold to corporate milkers. And they valued profitability over worker pay and customer sentiment (at the time), it wasn't until they lost 90% of the population (200k to 10-20k rs3 players) that they changed the tune.
Yea Jagex probably has one of the worst reputations among players ever. Shame they made such an influential game but were such asshats to their player base
@@DanBorges1337 I mean tbh. EoC's mod management was definitely a petty hit on Suomi. Honestly i have more respect for Suomi for not putting up with that. Imagine spending your whole life grinding a video game, of osrs of all things, probably one of the most "I spent 10000 hrs on a uim self grinded mind talisman f2p only essenceless ironman killing 15000 hrs of imps" kinda games. Then they start selling xp, 700k+ worth for like 200$ a day. Making the grind pay to win/whale/waste your money (rs3 had like 1m a hr afk methods a couple years later. So burn 10000$s to top a leaderboard erased like sand to new $$$$$$ spenders) So now all the honor rules turned from optimizing the game/scape like osrs/suomi did. He did effigies and talked with mods on the regular at the time in 2010. So the falling out was actually predated by Suomi (at the time of eoc), asking for 200$ a day for "i hate this, but if i don't, someone else might. Don't donate, it's a stupid cause.. But if you donate to the Suomi spin a wheel p2w sham cause.. I guess i'll spend it." vibe of energy. (not his exact words. But the vibe). So he was either caught with a community of 10000 furious mobbers, (and remember, 100,000s of people voiced disinterest in eoc and disapproved), but got ignored. He either could choose a lose or lose situation. Get screamed at for a shill for crowdfunding Squeal spins, and be called a "sellout", while losing or needing to potentially spend 70,000$ a year (whale xp/p2w milkers) without any apparent source of osrs derived income to be competitive. Or call out jagex on their crap and then he got muted on previously ignored cases from alleged higher up bad blood. 'Find something on him, or else'. Honestly i don't blame the guy for moving on. I never was osrs deep but i remember leaving a game plagued by hackers we speed ran like 10 maps for and got like 6x world records for a week. They ddosed and the mods took bribes and laughed and we went.. "ehh. i don't want to tryhard a game the 'winning' competition are 'skilled' hackers, ddosers, and account hacking script kiddies with hack legal re runs.". you only got 1 attempt and they ddosed the 1 attempt. Meanwhile they bribed the mods with unlimited items so they had unlimited non ddosed retries on a speedrun with hacked/bought gear to "be fair". And it was so blatant the mods were wearing gear they never earned and died in. They avoided no aoe and had like 1/1000 run gear with 2/4 run experience. The kind of corrupt mods to have the rarest gear in the game but stand in basic mechanics. Their gear was the osrs equivilent of a Tbow at lvl 47 combat with a amulet of glory, full masori, sapphire bracelet, and "self made earned gear", leather boots. Dying to "the very diffuclt boss".. a wall hand in lumbridge. Or openly walking into aoe. OSRS was 2000x more grindy than that game and suomi was probably 200,000x sweatier than me. But i looked at it for a summer, and went. "Nah, this isn't for me", and Suomi seems to have gone the same. TBH, im happy for them. Sandcastle records are great and all. But I'll always respect him irl more for leaving than neeting his life away.
As a white man I'm appropriating this comment and making it mine because I also started playing in 05 (04 but very VERY rarely; didn't really start playing until 05)
Same I almost forgot about Suomi in the distant recesses of my mind looking at the hiscores all those years ago until I saw a video from beast fable seeing him on RuneScape classic
Funny thing about suomi, back then when he was still grinding hard... his xp was ... incredible. This guy probably played 2 or 3 days in a row without sleeping , saw him go from 70m-200m mining in noooo time at all... all while superheating for magic + smithing. He was dedicated to the grind. The O.G players will never forget you brother. Hope ur doing well out there !
@@javiere.gonzalez1021adult man talking to other adult men in a video game about adult topics should never be bannable... and rs isnt a childrens game, no fucking childrens game takes 13k hours to finish 😐 that alone puts it in the young adult target audience
That was my screenshot. He teleported the tick after he got 200m Fishing. It wasn’t entirely unexpected but ya I should’ve probably captured that screenshot just slightly faster and maybe I would’ve caught the teleport too lol.
Man this brings back memories. I was close friends with rank 2 Jake back in the day and we would always group call on skype and one time Suomi joined the call briefly and he was such a cool guy, a legend that will never be forgotten in the runescape community!
9:27 This guy from South Park is actually modelled after an ex-blizzard employee, who coincidentally now works at Jagex. He's the father of a youtuber/game studio @PirateSoftware.
LMAO accidentally misclicking a butterfly to max xp and then being muted so they can't celebrate or complain. this is the first time i've heard about this dude but that's fucking hilarious.
Can’t remember if it was colonello or another CC who covered the story of Soumi. But it was mentioned that ironically he got the last bit of xp in complete solitude I.e no friends or anyone to witness/acknowledge his final accomplishment.
You don't realize it, but you're pretty much spot on with the edating accusation lol at the time, Jagex's chat detection extended to private messages, so if you were sharing explicit messages, you would most likely receive an auto-mute. At the time he wasn't e-dating someone (i'm not going to name them), but he was close friends with someone who was trying to help him with his personal life. Suomi disappearing wasn't really due to anything other than him actually finding a life outside of RS. She was able to help him work through his issues, and from what I know, he ended up actually getting a girlfriend. I think there's weird overlap between some of the girls he was friends with at the time, since I know he had some explicit 'e-dating' relationships around the same time that probably contributed to the mute. Either way, he disappeared because he got his life together. I can count on one hand the number of people who probably know this and there isn't really any proof other than just being one of those few people who knew at the time. I don't have an contact with him or the people we knew at the time, so idk what happened after all the fallout with Jagex and maxing. Edit: Also, I know the mutes were automatic in many cases, but I do also know that Mod Infinity at the time was exceptionally corrupt, along with other mods like Mod Ramen and that one J. Mod that had a tumblr and was e-dating a minor at the time (Mod Lee aka: Regicidal). Small group of mods who truly ruined the game in terms of community by showing favoritism to certain players and targeting those who insisted Jagex uphold the integrity of their game. I could write a novel regarding the corrupt J. Mods at the time, but it's whatever because they're all gone now.
@@voidbiteits not a blief... its proven fact by almost every single historical figure that had power, they all abused it in some way and it corrupted almost all of them...
Urgh. Corrupt low paid but power tripping game mods are the worst. I didn't have a run in with jmods here, but i remember another game that openly had a openly ddosing hacker guild running bots that paid off some kinda reddit/discord mod type with items. Guy was openly corrupt, they grinded out 500 hrs of items in first 2 hrs of release, had hacked stats and borderline questionable gameplay and gear. ( The game was spell heavy and melee was unviable due to poor balancing. 1 shot glass cannon + mobs did lethal autoattack damage. Think Meleeing a Mario goomba as a character who dies upon contact with mob. That kinda 'management') They flat out hacked the game and used melee because it was autoclickerable (magic required aiming), and flyhacks to literally hover over the mob's heads. The corrupt mod said. "I like having hacker friends, what proof r they hacking?" took items as donations and let them ddos us because they literally leeched our dungeons for items and power tripped after dying in the raid. Cartman types, huge ego/power trips, utterly incompetent, failed with items they didn't earn, sat in aoe, and then power tripped. There wasn't a magic epic spree, it was like dealing with a crackhead at work. No career ambitions and paid in power trips. Awful to work with. Corrupt so called "mods" (aka Morbidly Obnoxious Deadbeats 'M.O.D.s' are just the worst.
Dang that is brutal. At the end of a years-long journey through your developmental years, get an offer to celebrate it publicly by the leaders of your achievement, then get it retracted because of your views and words about disliking the direction the game is going, then accidentally ruin your moment because of a new mechanic they added that epitomizes the changes you dont like.
Yup, as i recall. Suomi didn't even disown jagex, he was like. "Guys, i hate squeal of fortune, but as it sells 700k xp a hr a day and the #2 might use it. I do not support this content, but if you wish to support this excuse of a joke. Feel free to donate to 200$ on stupid spins a day for this disgrace of a feature" If i recall, he wasn't enthusiastic about it but actually lukewarm. He was a challenge player, and everyone hated the idea of "buying highscores" at sof release. The game was all about the grind, then you could spend 200$ a day for like 700k xp in 10-20 random skills. Lamps, and potential 200m gp in a era 1-2m a hr was high end in 2010. About 2000m osrs now with 10-17m/hr methods. And then jagex got beef with that since that was the year the gower brothers hired incompetent family members as upper management, sold the company, mod mmg came in for increasing quarterly short term profits. and they lost 90% of the playerbase and backpetaled for osrs.
lol he spent his developmental years sitting in-front of a computer screen all waking hours of his days to earn something that has no effect on his real life except that it takes all his real life away.
That's a shame people treated him like that just for having a crazy goal and sticking to it. Hate is just so pointless, especially when it comes to something like this.
Yeah I believe he also changed his name to "Quit for Lol" at one point and JaGeX force changed his name back except removed the rare double spaces between the characters in his name.
@@Matthew7531 My memory of the time is that Jagex initially force changed to help him get his double spaces back after the whole K O N Y thing. The only reason he got the single digit spaces later on was due to the other player that had that name finally opting to give it up. Suomi had wanted it.
Damn, the RUclips algorithm is crazy. I haven't played, thought about, or searched for anything RuneScape related in 15+ years and for some reason it suggested this video to me. I cannot express to you the nostalgia vibes i got from seeing the game play. Good times. Thanks for that.
I met SUOMI once, in the clan recruiting area. He was really chill. Thinking back, this was in 2013 right around the time the butterfly event happened. I’m very lucky to have met a legend before he left forever.
I met a guy in Miscellania, who turned out to be finnish, we chatted a bit, he wanted to trade. He gave me 5m (During that time it was enough for a bond), I traded him a stein that makes yer character wobble like a drunk. After the trade he says "Paska peli". And now I couldn't agree more with him. Shitty game indeed.
It's always amazing to me how much resentment gaming communities build up towards the better players. Suomi and Zezima are Runescape's examples, but it doesn't matter which game you play - if there is a top player, there's also a chunk of players (and devs) who will find any reason they can to spit hatred at that top player. It's honestly an embarrassing facet of the gaming community, and I wish people were better at calling it out and shutting it down when it's seen.
A lot of people get jealous and can't believe they aren't the #1 in whatever game has a leaderboard. Players used to joke "hax" decades ago, but nowadays those messages are accusations.
Colonello one of the best content creators. Gotta give him props for not following the trend of simply regurgitating other peoples clips. Thanks for the endless nostalgia bro.
I kinda know how Suomi felt when he got membership and when the Squeal of Fortune released. I had a similar experience when RS3's version of FSW launched. I had played for 1.5 years at this point and in terms of XP a lot of that felt invalidated by the boosted XP rates.
He absolutely did not deserve all that fucking hate that he got. And genuinely got fucked over by Jagex with those mutes. This was during a time when the mods and devs were so very sensitive to any public criticism and Suomi wasn't the only one to suffer, popular and not. As for those of you who are haters about asking for donations.... Those people fairly gave up their cash. And he did not do any underhanded things to get people to donate. He was the equivalent to Streamers today who get bits from fans for their content they stream and record. Grow the fuck up kids. If he is still secretly playing osrs or something I hope he is enjoying it casually. Or if he is not I do hope he is doing well in his life.
I once ran across suomi (S U O M I at the time, if I remember correctly) in rs3 in prif thieving from elves in the Cadarn district. We became friends in game, I asked him why he was still thieving even though he was 200m xp, he said it was just fun. Made me look at things in a different perspective, he actually enjoyed 'just' playing the game, regardless of xp. This was back in late 2014 I believe.
@@TheodoreChin-ih7xzcmon it's Runescape. Lynx Titan probably had most hours out of anyone by the time he got 200m all but he quit the second he got it
This man treated RuneScape like a cigarette smoker treats tobacco. Even though he didn't like it, he still continued. Even though he couldn't pay for 200M himself, he asked for money. This doesn't make him a bad guy to me, he's just a guy who plays the game the most out of anyone. I remember him having a spot in the official documentary of runescape, so maybe they've buried the hatchet since then?
That old-old school community looks so nice… all these OG goats had communities of friends that worked together to get good. Love that and would love to see more of that.
First people got mad because he was better than them at a game. Then they got mad because people were willing to donate FAKE video game currency. Then the devs got mad because he was criticizing their objectively stupid decisions and sinking business, silencing him like little babies over actions that their favorite sweethearts like Zezima were getting away with. All over a fucking video game HE FUCKING PAID $$$ FOR. If anything, Jagex owes him an apology AND a monetary refund for all the time he was muted on their behalf.
Saying that JAGEX sabotaged this dude is insane. He was toxic bordering Pest Control chat, uploaded multiple videos trashing Jagex, then went on an Alex Jones conspiracy theory style rant about Jagex sabotaging him by introducing an update. Title's misleading as hell
I think them adding a profanity filter way back when was the last straw for me. You'd be like 'oh great a profanity filter, we can swear now~" but nope. They literally put that in place for you or other players to better detect swearing and report it. They were still vehemently against swearing. And that pissed me off.
@@montgomeryfortenberry Despite the company, Runescape is still a good game, maybe not to veterans, being a 15 year vet im bored stiff of it, but for newer players its still going strong.
He's not entirely gone. Just mostly. Given the notoriety, however; I hope he's living a good life. Source: I met Zezima through the 2014 Weekly Challenge Hiscores event (herbs farmed) & distinctly remember doing some DMs with him. It says my discord account was around since Dec 2015, so it might've been then it might've been in 2016, but I swear I remember it happening. Pretty much confirms the raunchy stuff he'd say that got him in trouble... sounds like a normal guy tbh just with a superhuman ability to hyperfocus for long periods of time. (Lord, give me strength & opportunity to make my RuneScape goals come to fruition...)
Suomi is the problem why video games can never evolve, the fuck he mad about when the game is less of a chore and can enjoy everything it has to offer when he became a member.
100% Agree with this, Runescape is a grind game so you do need to be careful with adjusting xp, but membership isn't pay to win.. its pay to play. F2P Runescape is more like a free trial you aren't expected to grind to 99 in it but if you do fair play i guess. Also first time I've actually heard the story of this guy so no pre-existing bias, he seems a bit egotistical and 'the world hates me' Was invited to a game release and then got himself muted, then went and publically started talking smack about the people who invited him? Why would they risk giving him a public platform? Logged in during an event and misclicked - Omg the developers targeted me! Also shamelessly asking for 'donations' (aka begging) to grind out his skills. Not seeing the hype, just a guy with an insane amount of free time.
I met him sometime around 02 or early 03 while mining coal for rares. We had similar levels and goals at the time, but I ended up ditching skilling entirely in favor of pking and staking especially when Rs2 was launched. He seemed like a cool and approachable kid around the same age as I was, unlike some other Finnish players (M_Oldfield, TheHate etc.) I lost touch with Suomi afterwards only playing Rs on/off and couldn't believe my eyes when I looked him up on hiscores having returned for the launch of Osrs. I think I had him added on my skiller turned plate pure so if by a stroke of luck you happen to read this - terveiset Jou Maanilta / Vorpal Sabrelta. Hyvin pelasit. :,D
Oh the good old days. I was grinding my 99 fishing and Suomi was going for his 200m. I donated some money and had some conversation with him in Finnish. He was really open about his goal of 200m in all skills. Not a beggar but just deticated to hit that goal.
Watching Zezima become rank 1 and then Gertjaars followed by Suomi was peak RuneScape imo. After those 3 retired Rank 1 was no longer as impressive and it became more about your wallet and the size of your bank account in-game and irl. Especially with how the game has changed xp/hour wise and how AFK a lot of it is now. It took over a decade for people to basically 200M all, and nowadays you have thousands (2235 as of this post) of players with 200M all, 5.8B xp. It's crazy how the player-base has shifted from 99.9% casuals just playing for fun to the exact opposite where people are trying to play efficiently all the time or they feel like they are wasting their time. People like Zezima, Gertjaars and Suomi were the extreme outliers of the community and we only had maybe a couple dozen who were at that level from 2001-2011. However nowadays it feels like 90% of the community are at that level because the game has been optimized so much by the community that the most efficient xp rates are common knowledge.
So i quit in 2008 and started playing again in October 2023, big difference for me - Mobile availability. Can grind out skills whilst doing other stuff, then quest and play games when I fancy actually playing. Real game changer.
@@The1Jebrim Yeah, now you see what I mean though when I told ya about the blatant misinformation being spread in the RS community to this day though (especially by 'content creators'), paired with extreme favoritism.
13500 hours to be lebel max? Ok I'm gonna try the game today. Im curious, i love to grind and i could watch cartoons while playing. Im already down for it
@Colonello FYI coals were called Certs back then because it was essentially currency back when the game didn't have gobs of GP in circulation yet. 1 coal cert was 100 coal at the certificate dealer in fally. 1 coal wasn't 100 gp, it was 1 cert = 100 coal.
really weird back in the day i heard how suomi said something crazy in chat and was muted for it and people hated him i guess his worst crime was asking for donations, not the best option imo, but he wanted exp so understandable
Suomi went trough a lot. We were friends in the game since 2007 & had many deep conversations. Haven't seen him around in a while, I've also been inactive myself. Hope he's doing well. rsn: Tune
So he was basically the patient zero of the small but vocal group of people that always votes against any QoL or higher exp/hr updates? The godfather of autistic grinds? If he just dips out when people were trying to celebrate his first 200m with him, he didn't really care about the community at all and was using them as a means to an end when asking for donations.
I remember the days of SUOMI racing to the top. I couldn't log in a single day without hearing something about him. It was insane. I was always more of a Zezima fan personally.
I remember meeting Suomi IRL at runefest 2011, he was staying at the same hotel as me, we all got a cool group pic together, he's a great guy, very friendly and keen to talk
Was friends with him back in classic, S U O M I at the time was lower total than I but wasn't long until he left me in the dust lol if you are watching out there Neopiccolo says hi. rip classic.
Great video as always, but I feel as though I'm missing some details as to why Suomi was so controversial/disliked to the extent of some of the comments shown. Can anyone fill me in a bit more?
Definitely! Perhaps I should have elaborated on it more. Maybe someone else will have more info than I do, 99% of his videos being gone made it rough. But it seemed to be a combination of things. Taking donations, accused of having an ego, teleporting away at his 200m parties, frequent criticisms of Jagex in videos, and many of the sexual jokes he made in game and in his videos were seen as childish. Biggest of all is probably how he handed the whole Jagex cancelling his trip fiasco. Many saw him as a whiny complainer who didn’t deserve to go to Jagex in the first place. They felt that rank 1 should have more grace and less of a temper.
The part that gets me. He obviously either didn't have a job or was collecting a check one. He complains about p2w content but he essentially used the same marketing scheme to achieve his goals.
What they did to Suomi and the entire playerbase with squeel and EOC was dirty. I have never forgiven them and many others haven't either. Jagex is a shady company and I honestly think that they are behind or involved in OsRs bots in some form or another.
Totally true and always has been, i remember reading a dev team member running and multi hundred million dollar botsite/goldselling services cuz of the voding he knew.
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How do you sell ads to runescape players who have been trained since children to avoid scams? lol
I remember him overcoming zezima and everyone was like who is this guy! lol.
god this video makes me hate jagex more all they seem to do is spit on their players anymore rs3 is still stealing money from osrs updates and jagex sure loves attacking people over the most dumbest of things like their country is so perfect yeah you Europe
want a knife heres a knife to shank these hypocrites with transparency on ones big data is a perfect blade to upend these moronic people who act like their on our level the world health organization shows how their data is obtained and who is messing with this fact uk europe o right but you people think you have room to critique America
see the fact is republicans may be morons our country compared to yours is night and day and America knows this why their better helping you compete on a global stage
its not wrong to say if we help build up our allies then these fascist will have no room to fight ultimately safeguarding democracy and these fascists from affecting our ideals with their conspiracy and lunacy
jagex was one of the first companies to actually get sued over in game items so they had to remove pvp, even tho that is literally everyone wanted. lol. as far as i knew. anyhow. @@roxaskinghearts
Jagex: permenantly mutes one of their most influential players for not agreeing with them
Also jagex: allows thousands of bots to exist at all times to boost membership numbers for public company sales
Also jagex: refuses to acknowledge either
There was actually a pretty big banwave today according to some of the botting discords I'm keeping tabs on.
@@mike3667"keeping tabs on" right mate yeh
I own the main bot core that everyone is using on osrs since 2016. I can confirm there is more bot than real players since mid-2021 and I can confirm there is a side company beyond jagex pay us and *** to boost their main company value. Same things with the GP monopoly the day sand casino was removed. There is alot that players will probably never know and I think this is ok. Who care? Osrs still alive!
@@mike3667 You seem to overlook that they'll be back up within a 2 days to a week even if they need to change scripts out. The fact that they still need to do banwaves is the problem.
Furthermore, looking at how long they condoned gambling (aka unfair Fight Arena) and didn't deal with it says a lot. Taking in Mod Trident's actions for that chick into account and Jagex being easily able to find it or hear complaints from the community and not dealing with it reinforces it.
The general conclusion drawn from it all is Jagex or its employees are/were gambling/botting themselves and/or selling bot scripts for others to use.
While the truth is uncertain, the suspicion is too massive. The time table to resolve the issues took far too long for suspicion to not grow outside reasonable standards.
@@jogizywhen the bots vastly outweigh the players
And no real players exist to sell gold to
What is the point of the bots?
See you all when they re-re-release OSOSRS in 2030.
Squeal of Fortune was a disgusting move by Jagex.
History will repeat itself
There is also the time he broke the hiscores when he hit too high of xp at something like 4.4b. He overflowed his hiscore xp and was not rank 1 for awhile until Jagex fixed it.
4.29b (2^32)
Basically double max cash.
@hofmantwenty3x Those people fairly gave up their cash. And he did not do any underhanded things to get people to donate. He was the equivalent to Streamers today who get bits from fans for their content they stream and record.
You're just a child man, grow up.
@hofmantwenty3x Not really.
He could've earned the money himself but it would've slowed him 1-2 years down.
@hofmantwenty3x My man
@@erickchristensen746 Thats not at all comparable. Streaming is a job. Maxing out skills in a game is an achievment and a challenge. It's understandable many would feel like having other players do the work for you cheapens the challnge and achievment in exactly the same way as paying money for it does.
The incompetence of Jagex is unfathomable. He's a single person, they're a company; how do they manage to collectively keep a grudge towards a single person, not to mention that he's literally THE most hardcore consumer of their game.
Shame on Jagex
Easy, he wasn't a loyal payer.
They were literally going to fly this guy out to effectively be their PR rep and he started talking about how much he masturbates. It's a game for kids. Sorry but you have to be completely unaware of how businesses work if you think they honestly "had it out" for him and weren't simply deathly afraid that they almost had some fap goblin representing their game.
Bro you should know if you aint paying that sub you might as well be an insect to them
how do you mean they held a grudge towards him?
I mean if anyone i invited over for a celebration, all expenses paid, made a video on youtube flaming me and my actions, i think i'd pull back as well ;)
@@THERAMMSTEINFAN490 as far as the video goes:
Date X: flaming video is uploaded
Date Y: comes back to play and grinds
Date Z: goal is reached, invitation is sent
You see the problem here?
Dude literally clicked 18yrs of his life away for a mute and no finale party. Niceee
True love...true passion...or truly a bum, depending on if you're a boomer or gen x, y, or z'er
Imagine dedicating your entire life to a creation made by a group of people and then they treat you like shit for doing so
Jagex is pretty infamous for generally being jerks to their community, if it wasn't for the community voting system I'd think they outright resented having a player base.
@@KiraSlith From what i remember during EoC. The Gowers made it as a family game they never expected to take off. They started off in a cottage making games. It was never expected to hit big, but did. They expected like 100 players and then the game to die like most miniclip games.
But people neeted it and that's why you needed 99 smithing to smith lvl 40 armor. 1 person got 99 smithing and wanting something to do, most players saw lvl 40 as a achievement that took 3 days in a era most flash games were like 5-30 minutes long. You had like a duck's life next to saturday cartoon games and mardek rpg.
Right around EoC, i heard the rumors were that the Gowers started giving positions not to osrs's most talented players but bully heavy incompetent but related people related to the gowers/management family. That's when eoc started. They didn't know what to do, but knew WoW was popular. So they pushed Eoc.
Glassdoor was filled with reports of the people, while family being abusive to workers, constantly assigning nonsense tasks, incompetent, and apparently pay being cut. Apparently the Gowers used to do "jollies" (holiday bonuses and events), catering, and when they sold it, that all got cut. Then it got sold by stockholders.
Mod mmg might have been right there. Family jagex after free trade failure was sold to corporate milkers. And they valued profitability over worker pay and customer sentiment (at the time), it wasn't until they lost 90% of the population (200k to 10-20k rs3 players) that they changed the tune.
Yea Jagex probably has one of the worst reputations among players ever. Shame they made such an influential game but were such asshats to their player base
@@DanBorges1337 I mean tbh. EoC's mod management was definitely a petty hit on Suomi. Honestly i have more respect for Suomi for not putting up with that.
Imagine spending your whole life grinding a video game, of osrs of all things, probably one of the most "I spent 10000 hrs on a uim self grinded mind talisman f2p only essenceless ironman killing 15000 hrs of imps" kinda games.
Then they start selling xp, 700k+ worth for like 200$ a day. Making the grind pay to win/whale/waste your money (rs3 had like 1m a hr afk methods a couple years later. So burn 10000$s to top a leaderboard erased like sand to new $$$$$$ spenders)
So now all the honor rules turned from optimizing the game/scape like osrs/suomi did. He did effigies and talked with mods on the regular at the time in 2010.
So the falling out was actually predated by Suomi (at the time of eoc), asking for 200$ a day for "i hate this, but if i don't, someone else might. Don't donate, it's a stupid cause.. But if you donate to the Suomi spin a wheel p2w sham cause.. I guess i'll spend it." vibe of energy. (not his exact words. But the vibe).
So he was either caught with a community of 10000 furious mobbers, (and remember, 100,000s of people voiced disinterest in eoc and disapproved), but got ignored.
He either could choose a lose or lose situation. Get screamed at for a shill for crowdfunding Squeal spins, and be called a "sellout", while losing or needing to potentially spend 70,000$ a year (whale xp/p2w milkers) without any apparent source of osrs derived income to be competitive.
Or call out jagex on their crap and then he got muted on previously ignored cases from alleged higher up bad blood. 'Find something on him, or else'.
Honestly i don't blame the guy for moving on. I never was osrs deep but i remember leaving a game plagued by hackers we speed ran like 10 maps for and got like 6x world records for a week.
They ddosed and the mods took bribes and laughed and we went.. "ehh. i don't want to tryhard a game the 'winning' competition are 'skilled' hackers, ddosers, and account hacking script kiddies with hack legal re runs.". you only got 1 attempt and they ddosed the 1 attempt. Meanwhile they bribed the mods with unlimited items so they had unlimited non ddosed retries on a speedrun with hacked/bought gear to "be fair".
And it was so blatant the mods were wearing gear they never earned and died in. They avoided no aoe and had like 1/1000 run gear with 2/4 run experience. The kind of corrupt mods to have the rarest gear in the game but stand in basic mechanics.
Their gear was the osrs equivilent of a Tbow at lvl 47 combat with a amulet of glory, full masori, sapphire bracelet, and "self made earned gear", leather boots. Dying to "the very diffuclt boss".. a wall hand in lumbridge. Or openly walking into aoe.
OSRS was 2000x more grindy than that game and suomi was probably 200,000x sweatier than me. But i looked at it for a summer, and went. "Nah, this isn't for me", and Suomi seems to have gone the same. TBH, im happy for them.
Sandcastle records are great and all. But I'll always respect him irl more for leaving than neeting his life away.
Sorry but jagex digging up his old activty to find him e dating and then subsequently muting him is the most petty shit ive ever heard
wasn't just e-dating. he was messaging an underage girl.
Jagex doesn't ban bots. Perm mutes some guy who got 200M exp in all skills.
Jagex is a joke of a company lol.
jagex is extremely scummy yes
I remember s u o m i and Zezima on the high scores when I was a kid. I started playing in 05. Never forgot his name but never knew all this
As a white man I'm appropriating this comment and making it mine because I also started playing in 05 (04 but very VERY rarely; didn't really start playing until 05)
@@G_FRE shut up, you're obviously black.
@@G_FRE white people play RuneScape?? Tf
Same I almost forgot about Suomi in the distant recesses of my mind looking at the hiscores all those years ago until I saw a video from beast fable seeing him on RuneScape classic
I used to work for zezima years ago got the first r2h ever made by him as a reward I still have it to this day
Funny thing about suomi, back then when he was still grinding hard... his xp was ... incredible. This guy probably played 2 or 3 days in a row without sleeping , saw him go from 70m-200m mining in noooo time at all... all while superheating for magic + smithing. He was dedicated to the grind. The O.G players will never forget you brother. Hope ur doing well out there !
what a loser
I remember him down at concentrated gold! I was going for 99 smith/mining/magic at the same time he was there.
3 days straight? He was either account sharing, bottling, or addicted to meth.
That's kinda sad 😂
That's just sad tbh. Super autism
Damn I feel so bad for him. Vilified by his community and the people he looked up to for small mistakes and the natural reaction to the backlash.
same :(
They were hating
Acting like a horny creep in a childrens game is hardly a small mistake. Jagex went easy on him
@@javiere.gonzalez1021adult man talking to other adult men in a video game about adult topics should never be bannable... and rs isnt a childrens game, no fucking childrens game takes 13k hours to finish 😐 that alone puts it in the young adult target audience
@@javiere.gonzalez1021 In what world is a game marketed to adults a "children's game"?
I love these real life lore videos. I can't wait what people have to say about that one guy named Colonello in 15 years time.
Thank you
You said Colonello, I say ammaretto
I remember that guy colonello, he made amazing RUclips videos 😜
@@redrepublic5557Ayy me bottle o scrumpy.
@@redrepublic5557 You said ammaretto I say Dominic Toretto
SUOMI was a king and it's a shame he rarely gets the recognition he deserves. One of the best to ever do it.
bro he was a petulant child
he is 100 percent dead or addicted to drugs/food somewhere lol
LOL
@@DIEgestthis "I'm not addicted, I only play 19 hours per day because I'm intelligent and dedicated."
Yeah OK, lmfao.
@@16011160why?
What I've noticed over the years is that runescape was a real hit with people who have autism. They seem to get hooked real hard
No u
Yup
Also: video games in general
7:11 Absolute Chad move of not even being there in the screenshot of his own 200m. Huge respect to SUOMI for their achievements.
Definitely on the spectrum lmfao
That was my screenshot. He teleported the tick after he got 200m Fishing. It wasn’t entirely unexpected but ya I should’ve probably captured that screenshot just slightly faster and maybe I would’ve caught the teleport too lol.
SUOMI is a man
@@The1Jebrimholy shit it’s jebrim, nixxos is the goat
@@The1Jebrim Screenshots are cheap, you should had recorded this autist teleporting away
Man this brings back memories. I was close friends with rank 2 Jake back in the day and we would always group call on skype and one time Suomi joined the call briefly and he was such a cool guy, a legend that will never be forgotten in the runescape community!
My friend had his rsn stolen by your friend through a corrupt moderator. Jake was the rsn my friend had for years.
9:27 This guy from South Park is actually modelled after an ex-blizzard employee, who coincidentally now works at Jagex. He's the father of a youtuber/game studio @PirateSoftware.
LMAO accidentally misclicking a butterfly to max xp and then being muted so they can't celebrate or complain. this is the first time i've heard about this dude but that's fucking hilarious.
Can’t remember if it was colonello or another CC who covered the story of Soumi. But it was mentioned that ironically he got the last bit of xp in complete solitude I.e no friends or anyone to witness/acknowledge his final accomplishment.
Jagex when a player criticizes them: 😡 😡 😡
Jagex when their game is full of bots and scammers: 🙈🙉🙊
You don't realize it, but you're pretty much spot on with the edating accusation lol at the time, Jagex's chat detection extended to private messages, so if you were sharing explicit messages, you would most likely receive an auto-mute. At the time he wasn't e-dating someone (i'm not going to name them), but he was close friends with someone who was trying to help him with his personal life. Suomi disappearing wasn't really due to anything other than him actually finding a life outside of RS. She was able to help him work through his issues, and from what I know, he ended up actually getting a girlfriend. I think there's weird overlap between some of the girls he was friends with at the time, since I know he had some explicit 'e-dating' relationships around the same time that probably contributed to the mute. Either way, he disappeared because he got his life together.
I can count on one hand the number of people who probably know this and there isn't really any proof other than just being one of those few people who knew at the time. I don't have an contact with him or the people we knew at the time, so idk what happened after all the fallout with Jagex and maxing.
Edit: Also, I know the mutes were automatic in many cases, but I do also know that Mod Infinity at the time was exceptionally corrupt, along with other mods like Mod Ramen and that one J. Mod that had a tumblr and was e-dating a minor at the time (Mod Lee aka: Regicidal). Small group of mods who truly ruined the game in terms of community by showing favoritism to certain players and targeting those who insisted Jagex uphold the integrity of their game. I could write a novel regarding the corrupt J. Mods at the time, but it's whatever because they're all gone now.
Interesting, I appreciate you letting me know :)
This is the insight people need people assume people in positions of power will inherently do good most are trash
@@SeedsAndStuff It also goes the other way, some people believe people in positions of people will inherently do evil.
@@voidbiteits not a blief... its proven fact by almost every single historical figure that had power, they all abused it in some way and it corrupted almost all of them...
Urgh. Corrupt low paid but power tripping game mods are the worst. I didn't have a run in with jmods here, but i remember another game that openly had a openly ddosing hacker guild running bots that paid off some kinda reddit/discord mod type with items.
Guy was openly corrupt, they grinded out 500 hrs of items in first 2 hrs of release, had hacked stats and borderline questionable gameplay and gear. ( The game was spell heavy and melee was unviable due to poor balancing. 1 shot glass cannon + mobs did lethal autoattack damage. Think Meleeing a Mario goomba as a character who dies upon contact with mob. That kinda 'management')
They flat out hacked the game and used melee because it was autoclickerable (magic required aiming), and flyhacks to literally hover over the mob's heads.
The corrupt mod said. "I like having hacker friends, what proof r they hacking?" took items as donations and let them ddos us because they literally leeched our dungeons for items and power tripped after dying in the raid. Cartman types, huge ego/power trips, utterly incompetent, failed with items they didn't earn, sat in aoe, and then power tripped.
There wasn't a magic epic spree, it was like dealing with a crackhead at work. No career ambitions and paid in power trips. Awful to work with. Corrupt so called "mods" (aka Morbidly Obnoxious Deadbeats 'M.O.D.s' are just the worst.
Dang that is brutal. At the end of a years-long journey through your developmental years, get an offer to celebrate it publicly by the leaders of your achievement, then get it retracted because of your views and words about disliking the direction the game is going, then accidentally ruin your moment because of a new mechanic they added that epitomizes the changes you dont like.
Yup, as i recall. Suomi didn't even disown jagex, he was like. "Guys, i hate squeal of fortune, but as it sells 700k xp a hr a day and the #2 might use it. I do not support this content, but if you wish to support this excuse of a joke. Feel free to donate to 200$ on stupid spins a day for this disgrace of a feature"
If i recall, he wasn't enthusiastic about it but actually lukewarm. He was a challenge player, and everyone hated the idea of "buying highscores" at sof release. The game was all about the grind, then you could spend 200$ a day for like 700k xp in 10-20 random skills. Lamps, and potential 200m gp in a era 1-2m a hr was high end in 2010. About 2000m osrs now with 10-17m/hr methods.
And then jagex got beef with that since that was the year the gower brothers hired incompetent family members as upper management, sold the company, mod mmg came in for increasing quarterly short term profits. and they lost 90% of the playerbase and backpetaled for osrs.
lol he spent his developmental years sitting in-front of a computer screen all waking hours of his days to earn something that has no effect on his real life except that it takes all his real life away.
Man, playing in the library or an Internet cafe, times were so different. Gosh that made me feel ancient haha.
Youre a legend in the osrs content creator comment sections
That's a shame people treated him like that just for having a crazy goal and sticking to it. Hate is just so pointless, especially when it comes to something like this.
It must've been more than that. It *always* is.
@@JJokerMoreaunot really, people are just competetive & some nerds care about runescape way too much
Redditors and X users are not people. They are bots.
Love the work you put into these historical videos
Thank you!!
I hope Suomi is doing well. I absolutely loved his sense of humour and his passion for this game
Remember the time Suomi changed his name to K O N Y back for the whole Kony 2012 movement, and Jagex force changed it back for him?
Yeah I believe he also changed his name to "Quit for Lol" at one point and JaGeX force changed his name back except removed the rare double spaces between the characters in his name.
@@Matthew7531 My memory of the time is that Jagex initially force changed to help him get his double spaces back after the whole K O N Y thing. The only reason he got the single digit spaces later on was due to the other player that had that name finally opting to give it up. Suomi had wanted it.
@@The1Jebrimholy shit it’s jebrim in the wild, legend
Jagex helped him recover his old name because he couldn't do it due to his spaces in his name.
Damn, the RUclips algorithm is crazy. I haven't played, thought about, or searched for anything RuneScape related in 15+ years and for some reason it suggested this video to me. I cannot express to you the nostalgia vibes i got from seeing the game play. Good times. Thanks for that.
Confirming for 15 years you haven’t seen anything RuneScape related in your feed or even IRL?
@@redrepublic5557 correct. This just popped up randomly.
My boy it says u joined 10 years ago
@@cceproductions8435 yeah, youtube. Not runescape. I was playing that as a kid in the early 2000's 😄
@@cceproductions8435My child, people can have multiple accounts.
I do hope suomi is doing well. I loved his content, and was cheering for him on his way up to max xp.
Damn. The people you trust take everything and you just continue to grind like it’s nothing. Respect.
The people who 'beat' Runescape are the ones that manage to quit for good lol
Never!
Love that you gave Zarfot the recognition he deserved
I met SUOMI once, in the clan recruiting area. He was really chill. Thinking back, this was in 2013 right around the time the butterfly event happened. I’m very lucky to have met a legend before he left forever.
Nerdy as hell.
the fact he got scammed just shows, its part of the Completionist
I met a guy in Miscellania, who turned out to be finnish, we chatted a bit, he wanted to trade. He gave me 5m (During that time it was enough for a bond), I traded him a stein that makes yer character wobble like a drunk. After the trade he says "Paska peli". And now I couldn't agree more with him. Shitty game indeed.
It's always amazing to me how much resentment gaming communities build up towards the better players. Suomi and Zezima are Runescape's examples, but it doesn't matter which game you play - if there is a top player, there's also a chunk of players (and devs) who will find any reason they can to spit hatred at that top player. It's honestly an embarrassing facet of the gaming community, and I wish people were better at calling it out and shutting it down when it's seen.
A lot of people get jealous and can't believe they aren't the #1 in whatever game has a leaderboard. Players used to joke "hax" decades ago, but nowadays those messages are accusations.
Colonello one of the best content creators. Gotta give him props for not following the trend of simply regurgitating other peoples clips. Thanks for the endless nostalgia bro.
I kinda know how Suomi felt when he got membership and when the Squeal of Fortune released. I had a similar experience when RS3's version of FSW launched. I had played for 1.5 years at this point and in terms of XP a lot of that felt invalidated by the boosted XP rates.
I wonder how many people realize his name quite literally means F I N L A N D
He absolutely did not deserve all that fucking hate that he got. And genuinely got fucked over by Jagex with those mutes. This was during a time when the mods and devs were so very sensitive to any public criticism and Suomi wasn't the only one to suffer, popular and not. As for those of you who are haters about asking for donations.... Those people fairly gave up their cash. And he did not do any underhanded things to get people to donate. He was the equivalent to Streamers today who get bits from fans for their content they stream and record. Grow the fuck up kids.
If he is still secretly playing osrs or something I hope he is enjoying it casually. Or if he is not I do hope he is doing well in his life.
0:33 😂 the lotion in front of the PC 😂
Suomi was a type who had like 6 different orange youtube and other similar type tabs open while talking in his videos
"After he finished school he would have tons of free time". Yeah that's where you are supposed to work.
True true LOL
Work = xp waste
Who tf works after school? Child labour isnt allowed in most western countries dafuq
This is so fucking sad bro. He was working. It just didn't make money, so your capitalist overlords have convinced you that it's a waste of time
Looks like you didn't know the secret welfare strats.
I once ran across suomi (S U O M I at the time, if I remember correctly) in rs3 in prif thieving from elves in the Cadarn district. We became friends in game, I asked him why he was still thieving even though he was 200m xp, he said it was just fun. Made me look at things in a different perspective, he actually enjoyed 'just' playing the game, regardless of xp. This was back in late 2014 I believe.
Only a runescape player would think it's profound that someone actually enjoys the game they are playing every day
@@TheodoreChin-ih7xz 😂😂😂 right
@@TheodoreChin-ih7xzcmon it's Runescape. Lynx Titan probably had most hours out of anyone by the time he got 200m all but he quit the second he got it
@@fica1137 Lynx titan on suicide watch when sailing comes out.
jagex were dicks to suomi, also suomi was some kind of runescape god getting mining and agility to 200m before anything else
Playing at the local library was the best memory ever
This man treated RuneScape like a cigarette smoker treats tobacco. Even though he didn't like it, he still continued. Even though he couldn't pay for 200M himself, he asked for money.
This doesn't make him a bad guy to me, he's just a guy who plays the game the most out of anyone. I remember him having a spot in the official documentary of runescape, so maybe they've buried the hatchet since then?
1:15 this screenshot made me do a double take on the bear xD
omg I couldn’t imagine the impact that grind would have on their mental health.
First 200m all on the original servers. Such an underrated achievement in the current osrs centric community. That was the real Oldschool Runescape.
oof suomi is a name i havent heard in a hot minute
That old-old school community looks so nice… all these OG goats had communities of friends that worked together to get good. Love that and would love to see more of that.
I have no idea who suomi is but I'm devastated to learn what happened to their legacy 😭
Nothing happened. Most people who played during those years very likely know his RSN to this day.
'their' the video shows suomi is a guy
First people got mad because he was better than them at a game. Then they got mad because people were willing to donate FAKE video game currency. Then the devs got mad because he was criticizing their objectively stupid decisions and sinking business, silencing him like little babies over actions that their favorite sweethearts like Zezima were getting away with. All over a fucking video game HE FUCKING PAID $$$ FOR. If anything, Jagex owes him an apology AND a monetary refund for all the time he was muted on their behalf.
Saying that JAGEX sabotaged this dude is insane. He was toxic bordering Pest Control chat, uploaded multiple videos trashing Jagex, then went on an Alex Jones conspiracy theory style rant about Jagex sabotaging him by introducing an update.
Title's misleading as hell
Never knew the country of Finland was a RuneScape player!
I think them adding a profanity filter way back when was the last straw for me. You'd be like 'oh great a profanity filter, we can swear now~" but nope. They literally put that in place for you or other players to better detect swearing and report it. They were still vehemently against swearing. And that pissed me off.
Theyve done so much controversial shit its amazing anyone still pays them anything
@@montgomeryfortenberry Despite the company, Runescape is still a good game, maybe not to veterans, being a 15 year vet im bored stiff of it, but for newer players its still going strong.
He's not entirely gone. Just mostly. Given the notoriety, however; I hope he's living a good life.
Source: I met Zezima through the 2014 Weekly Challenge Hiscores event (herbs farmed) & distinctly remember doing some DMs with him. It says my discord account was around since Dec 2015, so it might've been then it might've been in 2016, but I swear I remember it happening.
Pretty much confirms the raunchy stuff he'd say that got him in trouble... sounds like a normal guy tbh just with a superhuman ability to hyperfocus for long periods of time. (Lord, give me strength & opportunity to make my RuneScape goals come to fruition...)
The only way to beat this game is to Run Escape.
Wow i forgot how everyone used to play Runescape at the library computers. Thats such an oddly specific anecdote
Suomi is the problem why video games can never evolve, the fuck he mad about when the game is less of a chore and can enjoy everything it has to offer when he became a member.
100% Agree with this, Runescape is a grind game so you do need to be careful with adjusting xp, but membership isn't pay to win.. its pay to play.
F2P Runescape is more like a free trial you aren't expected to grind to 99 in it but if you do fair play i guess.
Also first time I've actually heard the story of this guy so no pre-existing bias, he seems a bit egotistical and 'the world hates me'
Was invited to a game release and then got himself muted, then went and publically started talking smack about the people who invited him? Why would they risk giving him a public platform?
Logged in during an event and misclicked - Omg the developers targeted me!
Also shamelessly asking for 'donations' (aka begging) to grind out his skills.
Not seeing the hype, just a guy with an insane amount of free time.
I met him sometime around 02 or early 03 while mining coal for rares. We had similar levels and goals at the time, but I ended up ditching skilling entirely in favor of pking and staking especially when Rs2 was launched. He seemed like a cool and approachable kid around the same age as I was, unlike some other Finnish players (M_Oldfield, TheHate etc.) I lost touch with Suomi afterwards only playing Rs on/off and couldn't believe my eyes when I looked him up on hiscores having returned for the launch of Osrs. I think I had him added on my skiller turned plate pure so if by a stroke of luck you happen to read this - terveiset Jou Maanilta / Vorpal Sabrelta. Hyvin pelasit. :,D
Oh the good old days. I was grinding my 99 fishing and Suomi was going for his 200m. I donated some money and had some conversation with him in Finnish. He was really open about his goal of 200m in all skills. Not a beggar but just deticated to hit that goal.
That was not the good ole days lol that was the dying days
This is not passion, this is mania.... Dude clearly stated the lack of enjoyment....
S U O M I was an absolute legend in rs history, my favorite player hands down idgaf what people say about him, to me he is the goat
I remember seeing him in Prif pickpocketing elves. Told him I was a huge fan.
When you mentioned Zarfot I remembered how many of his videos I had watched in awe back in the day. RIP to SUOMI and Zarfot...
i remember when this all happened it was crazy to think someone was going to max out xp back then. now there are crazy number of people with max xp
Watching Zezima become rank 1 and then Gertjaars followed by Suomi was peak RuneScape imo.
After those 3 retired Rank 1 was no longer as impressive and it became more about your wallet and the size of your bank account in-game and irl.
Especially with how the game has changed xp/hour wise and how AFK a lot of it is now.
It took over a decade for people to basically 200M all, and nowadays you have thousands (2235 as of this post) of players with 200M all, 5.8B xp.
It's crazy how the player-base has shifted from 99.9% casuals just playing for fun to the exact opposite where people are trying to play efficiently all the time or they feel like they are wasting their time.
People like Zezima, Gertjaars and Suomi were the extreme outliers of the community and we only had maybe a couple dozen who were at that level from 2001-2011.
However nowadays it feels like 90% of the community are at that level because the game has been optimized so much by the community that the most efficient xp rates are common knowledge.
So i quit in 2008 and started playing again in October 2023, big difference for me - Mobile availability.
Can grind out skills whilst doing other stuff, then quest and play games when I fancy actually playing. Real game changer.
0:23 Dude he's like taking a Deep dive like we're about to man. Whatttttt?!?
A surprisingly accurate video. Good job!
The Legendary Jebrim appeared!
@@MadRhetorik.legendary autist
Are we sure "The only player who beat Runescape" is accurate? xD
@@DeskDrumGun The first*
@@The1Jebrim Yeah, now you see what I mean though when I told ya about the blatant misinformation being spread in the RS community to this day though (especially by 'content creators'), paired with extreme favoritism.
13500 hours to be lebel max? Ok I'm gonna try the game today. Im curious, i love to grind and i could watch cartoons while playing. Im already down for it
If I remember he also changed his in game name a few times too bashing Jagex. I believe at one point he changed it to "Quit for LoL"
@Colonello FYI coals were called Certs back then because it was essentially currency back when the game didn't have gobs of GP in circulation yet. 1 coal cert was 100 coal at the certificate dealer in fally. 1 coal wasn't 100 gp, it was 1 cert = 100 coal.
really weird back in the day i heard how suomi said something crazy in chat and was muted for it and people hated him
i guess his worst crime was asking for donations, not the best option imo, but he wanted exp so understandable
Is asking for donation against tos ?
I dont think so idk
Dang that's absolutely petty.
5:14 he decided to stay in the forest, killing boars. Seven weeks, five days, thirteen hours, and twenty minutes, with three hours a night to sleep.
Suomi went trough a lot. We were friends in the game since 2007 & had many deep conversations. Haven't seen him around in a while, I've also been inactive myself. Hope he's doing well.
rsn: Tune
Love these videos man, very nostalgic! Appreciate the effort you put into these!
That self sabotage is tragic. Would have been the coolest thing ever. I don't blame them for retracting the offer, He was way out of line. Just so sad
Zezima will always be the champ that I remember. That guy was ranked 1 nearly the entire time that I played the game haha
He doesn't seem to be a victim to me..........
Ree
So he was basically the patient zero of the small but vocal group of people that always votes against any QoL or higher exp/hr updates? The godfather of autistic grinds? If he just dips out when people were trying to celebrate his first 200m with him, he didn't really care about the community at all and was using them as a means to an end when asking for donations.
Poor guy.
He really didn't deserve all this.
0:46 is it just me or does the fire making skill icon look like ice barrage but fire
Tori mainittu Suomella tavataan!
I remember him and gertjaars absolutely killing it back in the day
I remember the days of SUOMI racing to the top. I couldn't log in a single day without hearing something about him. It was insane. I was always more of a Zezima fan personally.
When I was first starting out I caught Zezima behind draynor bank and he gave me 10k I immediately went and bought Mithril armor and felt super rich
I remember meeting Suomi IRL at runefest 2011, he was staying at the same hotel as me, we all got a cool group pic together, he's a great guy, very friendly and keen to talk
Was friends with him back in classic, S U O M I at the time was lower total than I but wasn't long until he left me in the dust lol if you are watching out there Neopiccolo says hi. rip classic.
S U O M I forever and always will be one of the most memorable rs players ever to me. He was real sucker for torture and an inspiration for it.
Great video as always, but I feel as though I'm missing some details as to why Suomi was so controversial/disliked to the extent of some of the comments shown. Can anyone fill me in a bit more?
Definitely! Perhaps I should have elaborated on it more. Maybe someone else will have more info than I do, 99% of his videos being gone made it rough. But it seemed to be a combination of things. Taking donations, accused of having an ego, teleporting away at his 200m parties, frequent criticisms of Jagex in videos, and many of the sexual jokes he made in game and in his videos were seen as childish. Biggest of all is probably how he handed the whole Jagex cancelling his trip fiasco. Many saw him as a whiny complainer who didn’t deserve to go to Jagex in the first place. They felt that rank 1 should have more grace and less of a temper.
@@ColonelloRS- As a person who just watched this video with no knowledge of the story so no pre-existing bias, you literally just read my mind.....
hes still playing, hes just.. "undercover" now
Thats crazy because I just spent like a good hour or two yesterday researching suomi. What a weird coincidence
That’s algorithm bro
The part that gets me. He obviously either didn't have a job or was collecting a check one. He complains about p2w content but he essentially used the same marketing scheme to achieve his goals.
Zezima is still #1 in our hearts
"suomi just knew he liked firemaking" - in other words, he was a mad man 🤣
Who wouldve thought that someone who played Runescape for 16 hours a day for years on end wasn't that stable mentally..
The first “just a little mistake” “cancel” EVER that was actually a little mistake
What they did to Suomi and the entire playerbase with squeel and EOC was dirty. I have never forgiven them and many others haven't either. Jagex is a shady company and I honestly think that they are behind or involved in OsRs bots in some form or another.
Totally true and always has been, i remember reading a dev team member running and multi hundred million dollar botsite/goldselling services cuz of the voding he knew.