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@@rodrickheffley8020 props for having interests, maybe having a keen sense of awareness. you don’t need to be a hermit to have a favorite video game/movie/tv show that you just happen to know little details of. christ.
The wild thing is, after his first live run, I bet he could've just said beforehand he'd been working on a segmented run for the past few weeks and was excited to show it off as a "special surprise" if the crowd was interested. And no one would've had any issues with it.
Yep he could have done that. But he wanted more. He did what he did because it was an intentional cheat run and he wanted the glory of something he couldn’t achieve.
alternately he could have presented his segmented run as what is theoretically possible and asked to to split screen between that and his live play. Doing the run and showing off his segmented video.
His stated reason for cheating is so strange to me. It’s like the reasons we used to see in Goldeneye when people felt that speed-running was dominating their lives so they cheated in an effort to get banned so they had no choice but to stop and focus on other priorities.
It's sort of makes sense. I know a guy who asked security to ban him at a casino because he was losing all of his money and it was a small moment of clarity. Apparently it's not that uncommon for casinos. I guess if you know you won't be able to stick to it you have to take drastic measures and do something that you can't undo
It’s cultural plus being a twat. It’s happening in the states too, main character syndrome narcissistic shit with no understanding that people don’t care anyways because it’s a charity or etc. it’s like half funny and half wtf
This is the note under his submitted run: "Embrace the godless nights that fall upon all of you. You have failed to understand the passion i feel. You deserved it." Yeah this guy is insane.
@@AdamS-nd5hi Nope. Trolling is meant to make people feel stupid or angry that you got the better of them. This guy wanted to look good, and then he wanted to try and cover for himself out of fear he would be found out, likely based on chatter on social media or in the chat. If he thinks he's a troll, he's a poor one.
@@harborwolf22 That’s a little bit different though, because he just exploited a rule in the tournament. If Nick had used like aimbot or something, that would be similar. Still scummy to do it regardless.
I was in the crowd for it, and everyone was baffled by how cringe that post-run speech was. My girlfriend and I were talking about how strange it was immediately after. At that point in time, SGDQ was hours behind schedule, so I was kind of shocked that the feed wasn't just dropped. Him showing a spliced run for a donation incentive when other runners were dropping or changing planned runs to get back on schedule, it's an even bigger slap in the face to the community.
People sometimes get into all-or-nothing thinking when they get into crucify mode. The schedule of GDQ is unimportant in this story. He wasn't in charge of the scheduling, and he didn't play any role in the event's mismanagement of time / other runners taking longer than expected. I see "crucify" mode crop up all the time when someone is en vogue to be hated (e.g. hating on Trump, hating on Musk, etc.). Stay fair and reasonable even when dealing with someone who has been unfair and unreasonable. It is a pretty bad sign that your comment has +559. I'm hoping they were upvoting the comment about his speech being odd rather than shifting the blame of a packed schedule on him just because he did one bad thing at the event. This kind of energy is how mobs form, how people get dehumanized - it's surely the same mental loop people doing a wide variety of bad things to others use (e.g. bigotry). It's a short-circuit of reason. Yeah, he cheated. No, he wasn't a supervillain who also concocted a plan to cause delays in GDQ's schedule. Even if someone were a murderer, they have no control over the weather. It might feel nice to say, "Wow, a tornado happened. What a jerk," but as that example exposes, in less subtle situations, this type of energy is illogical. You can think his words were weird, but it seems pretty normal for a speed runner to have a little time to make comments at the end. If you want to blame anyone for him talking at the end, it's the people at GDQ who let him have the floor at the end. Don't fall into the trap where "good" people are perfect and "bad" people are perfectly immoral. Everyone has done good and bad things before, and just because your bad things you've done weren't a public event doesn't mean you should enter crucify mode. Always stay unbiased as best you can. Should we blame him for the weather as well?
To not only cheat a run, but to do it one that is only 7 minutes long during a charity event planned a month ahead of time and submit it as a WR makes this one of the most insidious cheating scandals yet
A lot of speedrunners have tried to use big events like GDQ to bring new viewers to their twitch or youtube channels. I bet that for him it wasn't enough to just complete a run, he had to do it in a spectacular way that would make people want to check more of his content out. You can tell by the way he speaks and acts he has that "performer" vibe.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The biggest issue is somebody that would have played legit, put on an actual show, would have been in his spot. The attention goes to him. The traffic bump goes to him. Somebody in that community should feel really robbed of an opportunity.
I'm sure it would have been easy enough to arrange as well if he still wanted to do the run for the main game and didn't want to be bothered with running the DLC live. Surely he could have hosted someone else running the DLC or whatever or the GDQ folks could have passed the stream to them if it was made clear that he didn't want to run the DLC.
It may seem contradictory, but that first part is the same ego from the other one. "The only reason I, the God Gamer, had a bad run was because I'm sleep deprived and it was actually a massive choke for a God Gamer like me to only perform three minutes shy of the world record."
When I watch GDQ, I'm not expecting a WR, I'm more interested in getting the runners explanation of what they're doing. I don't think anyone would expect the best run to happen at an event.
I know this is an older comment, but I agree 100%, when you have a runner who understands the game on that speed running level, and they are great at explaining the exploits and strategies, giving you an insight into how the game was built and how you can take advantage of these quirks... It's very cool, it's about getting an understanding of what makes each game unique and why this game or that game is fun to try and break... That's also why it's unfortunate when you get a runner that doesn't want to talk about the game while they run it, it kinda takes away any real insight you might get. But most of the time, they're great at getting you drawn in.
@@TheHive616 Also, at GDQ, the runners typically show off strats, just little fun things, the good runners just go "Oh hey, I know something cool here, I'll only lose about 30 seconds!"
@@zapx1239 Yeah its always felt to me like an event that's celebrating speedrunning while raising money for charity, not an event where people get world records
As a non speedrunner and causal gamer, I love how much the community LOVES what they do. You guys will go frame by frame to ensure authenticity, it's genuinely beautiful.
@@ZorotheGallade Most cheaters are ostracized from the community after getting busted. In this case the money went to charity so I don't see a huge problem with that. Anytime this guy does any public events again he is going to get flooded by people calling him out as a cheater
dude, ive been wanting to find a game to speedrun(honestly im thinking about waiting for hytale and getting other people together to make that speedrunning community) and i can honestly say that their passion for a single game is amazing to be able to play a game for hours, days, years, and not get tired of it, finding ways to push its limits, its honestly beautiful in its own crazy way
The crazy thing is that if he had cleared it with the event staff ahead of time they probably would have loved for him to show off a segmented run. The problem was him trying to pass it off as live.
@@r5yan102 TAS block is a thing, and I think they've shown segmented runs before. It's not like the run itself is cheated, it's just for a different category. It's showing it off pretending it's live that makes it "cheating".
@@MudakTheMultiplier For all we know, he may have installed cheat software or had a friend play one of the segments. Our only assurance to the contrary is his word, which is now worthless.
@@davidlevy706 yeah *now* his word is worthless. But if he had up front from the beginning when he put in his application said "I am building a segmented run for the DLC of this game that should be done in time for the marathon, I could show that and do explanations as a donation incentive" they would have been totally cool with that.
Showing basically what would be a "perfect" run, how only segmented runs can. And they also showed TAS runs before, also for the point of technical perfection. TASBot is always a fun thing, but they don't pretend it's a human live run. He could've shown literally the same run, but as a positive. Now we have what is basically a fraud.
Should he just be banned for life then, never allowed to speed run again? No shot at redemption? Shoot, why don't prisons just execute people with that logic.
"NNOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HECKING CHEAT ON THE BING BING YAHOO TO RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITY!" Let me guess, you are a woman but you also have an Adam's apple?
The "world record" being 25 seconds ahead of a 7:20 record is instantly 500 red flags. I don't understand how someone who ALREADY had the record didn't understand that 25 seconds is absolutely absurd to happen.
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763the thing was that there weren't any better strats being used, so cutting 25 seconds off with just better play in a speedrun under 10 minutes doesn't happen very often, especially not at sgdq.
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763You must be the new one. In a run that short 25 seconds is like lightyears faster, especially when no new strats were I implemented. It's nigh impossible to pull off a 25 second save in a 7 minute run without new strats. He is cutting out 5% of the run without any strategy changes. That's unheard of, especially on a marathon.
One thing to consider. The donors should still feel that warm fuzzy feeling of charity. What THEY did was selfless and should be honoured. Fuck cheaters.
Agreed. Donors weren't cheated out of their money. They gave to a good cause and they will remain champions regardless of that douche. I agree tho that it's really bad for charity to allow cheating, it's a nice "one-off" but in the long run, people won't come back if they think it's not legit. They should really make it clear that they don't tolerate it.
One thing is that regardless of being a donor is mostly anonymous - is that they should be allowed to get their 15 minutes of fame and knowing their generosity appreciated. Especially some people chose to donor at the event because they can make witty comment and internal jokes to honor friendships and relationships. It's a small gesture that makes the donor not only generous but also entertaining. I had my experience of punished for doing a good deed, so my heart goes out to the donor who wants to spice and enhance the events. Getting that moment robbed, is putrid.
The strangest thing is, you get free publicity. You actually already gain from joining this charity event. And still there is a dickhead wanting to exploit it, its super strange decision making.
I totally get why they might not honor Consideration 1, simply because the spliced video itself *is* a valid and fair segmented run. Consideration 2 might have even been out of their hands, but considering GDQ did it anyway, that seems doubtful. But, what I'm really blown away by, is that they refused to do Consideration 3. Like, c'mon, denouncing actual cheating at a live event is the lowest of low hanging fruits. I can only imagine what it says about the mindset of the moderation team if they refused to publicly condemn cheating.....
@@norock_ They will be picked up by Karl Jobst who will broadcast it. Not having a platform should not been an excuse. Rather I seen people apologize easier in front of less people.
Ethically speaking, it is not only entirely their responsibility to represent the speedrunning community, but I'd even go as far as to say it is their duty to make sure that their runners follow through with the integrity/rules that makes up the hobby and passion Falling back on "technicalities" isn't what an arbitrator should be doing. Refusing to take accountability is beyond just unsatisfying for the community, but it is just wrong to show the public that you are willing to set aside integrity when that is the only foundation you stand on as a "Leaderboard". Lastly, Do not defend cheaters, there are people who put lots of time into demonstrating how much time they put into something that they are passionate about and when cheaters are allowed to walk over everyone, that is a sign that genuine reasoning is failing within people. Be smart, friends.
They don't have to accept a run just because it exists and it technically follows the rules. People delete their SRC accounts and/or get banned all the time. A speedrun board has never been a definitive account of every time ever achieved, and it reflects poorly on the community to post times from a known cheater.
Honestly, disgusting. I remember a Terraria run from Badger at AGDQ 2020 where he didnt finish because he made some mistakes. An awesome run from an awesome dude who genuinely felt sorry he couldnt show off everything the game had to offer. The crowd cheered him on and the donations came flying. I talked with him a bit on Twitter after that and he said he was happy to be there and help fight cancer. THATS what GDQ is about, not this arrogant waste of oxygen who gives this cool cause a bad rep.
Some times mistakes will be made. That's ok. It's the risk the performers and viewers are aware of when it's live and single segment. It's still fun to watch.
I mean this definitely was bound to happen but this wasn't even a cheater this guy had weird motives and goals in cheating which is even stranger than just cheating to look good
People used to talk a lot about cringe in GDQ, but this guy is the king, pure pain. This is absolutely insane... I mean, how obsessed with a run can you be?
Totally! I'm watching GDQ now for five or six years, and there is always someone who is a bit _weird_. But watching this run (because I didn't know the game) was very weird. I've never seen someone sad about a time or something, because that's not what's it all about. Of course not every run can be a WR, but again - that's not what the event is for.
Yeah, it's weird how real life isn't a fairy tale where only the good-hearted people can be really good at stuff. It's so unbeliavable that someone whose drive to be the best allowed them to rise above the others would go beyond what normal people would consider reasonable to achieve success. I'm baffled.
@@lief3414 It IS weird. If you're so good then why the fuck wouldn't you just do it legit? That makes zero sense. It's not difficult at all to understand why people assume that cheaters don't have the skill.
@@jessicastjames6202 Yes, it's not difficult to understand why people asume anything, it's because people have high ego and dislike thinking, therefore just jump to whatever conclusion suits them and don't question it. In this case it's the classic black and white worldview (cheaters evil, evil people worthless) because it's so much less stressful than the nuances of the real world. As for if it makes sense or not, I was pretty damn clear in my comment, read it again. Or maybe do some research on known cheaters (Lance Armstrong or Riolu come to mind), read their commentary. Don't be another arrogant assumer.
@@MotherSoren Because someone has to, otherwise it's just a witch hunt. That's how modern judicial systems work. It's not that I like the cheater, I just dislike the general aproach this comment section has.
Funny thing is, I bet if he'd specified to gdq to have the incentive as a bonus "best possible segmented run showcase" sort of thing. Then commentated on the gameplay and tricks etc. They probably would have allowed it. But to do that for the actual WR... Man what a fool.
Yeah, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure GDQ occasionally shows TAS. Which is where all the inputs are pre planned to make a perfect run or execute glitches and skips that are impossible or practically impossible for humans to pull off. It’s super interesting
@@qwertyasdf4081 This isn't a TAS (or at least as far as we know it isn't, he could be lying about that too), this is just a spliced sum of best segments. Both are interesting in their own right, but they're definitely not the same thing.
@@grythm Oh, I never said this run was a TAS lol. I’m just commenting on what OP said, things besides normal runs can also be interesting and fun. Maybe i miscommunicated or sumn idk
My opinion regarding the moderator decision: Allowing it on the leaderboards as a segmented run is a bit questionable (if he was willing to lie once about it being segmented, he'd probably also be willing to lie about it being tool-assisted as well). Hosting footage where he is intentionally pretending it is not a segmented run is not even remotely acceptable, even if it is under the correct leaderboard. If you're submitting a segmented run, there should never be anything in the video to indicate it is anything other than a segmented run.
Yeah IMO they should've looked at the footage, seen that he's trying to pass it off as a legit run in it, then tell him to submit the run to the correct Leaderboard (the regular one) since it doesn't look like he's doing a segmented run. Then upon further tries keep denying the entry because it's clearly the same run previously submitted,
I tend to agree with you, the whole 'moral principle' thing holds no water for me if it's submitted as segmented, but the footage needs to reflect that and not be misleading.
Its pretty obvious to me that they simple do not care about the players that submit runs actions outside of the Speedrun website itself, which i see no problem with, like in any kind of record keeping place, it should be not only completely non political, but also not bound by the emotions of those surrounding it, seperating the person who did the run from the run itself, to completely discredit his segmented run on the site for actions he did elsewhere would be ludicrous.
@@justsomeguywhodoeswhathewa4591 Most record keeping organizations absolutely will disqualify you for cheating if you are caught cheating elsewhere in the same sport. I have no clue where you got the idea that they wouldn't. There is no reason to trust that his run didn't use TAS tools if he was already caught lying about it being segmented.
Some friends and I used to binge GDQ back in the day, some people would even sneakily check in while at work, we'd all prioritise the event over sleep. None of us have the time these days to do that any more, but I smile knowing others are keeping the flame burning. Your video is the first I've heard of this guy cheating, how terribly lame and sad. I hope they can go back to live audience events, not just because of cheaters, but there was a lot of fun to be had with banter between the audience, staff, runners and their friends.
The benefit of remote runs is a larger pool of capable runners though! You get more international people joining in. This definitely seemed to be an outlier at least. I prefer the mixture of in person/remote.
@@Kez325 The potential for everyone just deciding to cheat outweighs any of the benefits. That larger audience is going to dwindle pretty fast if half the runners at an event decide cheating is okay and then are exposed. It also raises issues of potential corruption and loss of integrity. Suppose GDQ becomes fully online for good next year, and a significant portion of the runners saw what Meka did and decide they're going to do it too. Like I said earlier, if the audience finds out that half the runs are cheated, nobody is going to want to watch the event anymore. So suppose half or more of the runs turn out to be fake and GDQ becomes aware of it only after the fact - what then? Are they gonna risk the mass scandal and loss of interest that would inevitably follow such a widespread instance of cheating? No. No, they'll do the only thing they realistically can do in a situation like that - cover it up. Once that happens, that's it. The floodgates are open from then on. Every run will be a fake segmented run with the runners pretending to play for adulation, and GDQ will have to keep covering it up or all the money dries up. Eventually it'll come out or course, but after a few years of everyone watching fake runs and pointing out all the inconsistencies only to have GDQ gaslight and make excuses, it'll have become normalised. Then your speedrunning community becomes as fake as reality TV. And it'll happen. Eventually, if the event organisers decide it's less hassle to just run the thing online rather than organise a physical event, enough runners will decide to cheat all at once and everything I've laid out will come true. Right now, it's just one outlier. One asshole out for personal glory who cheated at GDQ and somehow managed to escape being made a total pariah. Other assholes saw what he did and are thinking they can do that themselves, they just need to be smarter about it and not get caught. Pretty soon, one asshole will become 10 assholes, then 20, then 50. Until eventually, enough runners turn that it completely undermines the integrity of the whole event from then on. Because sure, right now GDQ has a zero tolerance policy on cheating. But if cheating becomes the norm, they can't realistically keep to that policy without undermining the whole event. That was long and rather rambling, and probably a little bit paranoid. Apologies. But I don't think what I laid out is entirely outside the realm of possibility. After the events of the last two years, it's clear than nothing is ever too crazy to happen.
@@Omicron9999 If people wanted to cheat in a GDQ run they can do it in person as well, just using other means (modifying a game or controller for instance). GDQ just needs to monitor remote runs a little more closely after this and things will be fine. It's not like this run was faked so amazingly that it was impossible to notice, people simply never thought someone would be dumb enough to do something like this during a charity event. Additionally, you're entire hypothetical kind of hinges on the majority of speedrunners being cheaters, which is obvious nonsense. No one wants to be publicly called out as a cheater in an event witnessed by hundreds of thousands of people. He got banned from several games for this, certainly not something you want if you want to keep speedrunning.
The best part is that if he explained that he was very tired and didn’t feel like playing the DLC, he could have just showed the splices video and explained what he did in each section to achieve perfection.
"NNOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HECKING CHEAT ON THE BING BING YAHOO TO RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITY!" Let me guess, you are a woman but you also have an Adam's apple?
A fair point, that's a big platform that could kickstart the online career of some smaller streamers and that's 1+h of primetime that could have gone to someone more deserving.
I think that a lot of speedrunners get so caught up in the idea of being the fastest player of a certain game that they fail to realize that what they do is already pretty amazing on its own...at least it is for the majority of spectators who only want to be entertained and who don't care about the other speedrunners in the scene. When you have the spotlight on you, let that single fact leave you feeling satisfied:)
The idea to be the best in the whole world affects you. It may be a useless little thing like a world record on a videogame but knowing you are the only one makes you feel great, so they want that feeling in particular.
It’s a shame that this happened because allowing virtual livestreams in GDQ would’ve been amazing for accessibility reasons, but after this and other cheating allegations they’ll probably never do anything other than in-person ever again
@@Dovah_Slayer As an American it's rare to see (or hear) that idiom expressed in its entirety rather than just the first few words blurted out as an excuse for maintaining a rotten and corrupt organizational culture.
The fact that he was the one who held the world record for the DLC but still decided to cheat it makes it even more bizarre.. like he already held the world record but then decided to trash his own legitimate world record with the spliced run and tarnish his achievement.
Cheating, while live, on a charity stream, for a world record run? That is so over the top gutsy (in a bad way) that I can't fathom how he thought this would work out.
I hadn't realized that he still defends his actions to this day. I know when the story broke it was suggested that his odd behavior and language after the "record" was backtracking out of regret. Obviously it's clear that he knows it'll be his last GDQ, like being caught is inevitable. But I guess it was less regret and more a recognition that he had made enough glaring mistakes that he couldn't hide behind (like moving a mouse with one's left hand). I understand people wanting to look good on stream, but is it really worth it if getting caught means your career is destroyed?
@@Chimpmanboom Can't take away his controller obviously, but speedrunners who cheat are often banned from the rankings by the community for said game. There's nothing stopping them from speedrunning in private, but for many of them speedrunning is their actual job through streaming so these bans can have a big impact on them.
Would also liek to give credit to Abyssoft who covered this also, I think the day it was uncovered. Karl's probably took longer to gather more info, but it's still cool that we're getting multiple people to cover this stuff.
Seen one where the guy kept making mistakes and lost a lot of time, but he finished it out. Have a lot more respect for him, and anyone else who sticks it out to the end, especially after watching these bums cheating
This reminds me of a randomized Castlevania SOTN run in wich the runner had one of the worst possible RNGs, using less optimal strategies most of the time because they didn't get the best skills. It was some of the most fun I've had watching a marathon run. It's awesome when people can do great times in a charity marathon, but it's not the goal. Sharing experiences, raising awareness and having a good time is much more valuable.
At an old GDQ, some dude was playing a Super Nintendo RPG. I think it was Drakkhen, but I can;'t remember. Anyway, the cart died on them and they had to replace it midrun. Luckily, he had a second copy on him. Then the Super Nintendo died! Luckily, there were multiple around. But the dude kept playing and it was incredible. All the commentators and the crowd were cheering him. It was a fantastic run of unfortunate events.
My favorite AGDQ run was the fallout anthology by tomato angus where at the end of the run he has too many rads to complete the game and has to redo a section to get a rad away only to find out that before the reactor chamber where he previously died there was a shelf with a rad away on it. stuff like that makes it so much more entertaining
One of my favorite things about GDQ is that they aren't showing off the best run -- they're showing off an exhibition of the community around that run. You get interesting insight into what it's like to run the game, and the failures and commentary along the way are a huge part of the charm. Cheating a world record is so far outside of the spirit it's hard to imagine someone even deciding it was worthwhile... Edit: just saw the part where the runner apologizes and makes excuses for a perfectly fine run. I've seen GDQ runs that go over time and people still have a good attitude about it because it's clear the run was very difficult to pull off. It's a shame this runner wasn't following the etiquette of other runners; the attitude he brought was really out of step with the event
I think what more runners need to realize is that venues like GDQ are not WR attempt venues, they're shows. They're for entertainment. Failing a trick and seeing how the runner deals with it is part of the show, and good showmanship is about salvaging a decent time when you're put on the back foot.
I think that was the point of this person and his actions. He wanted to take a shot at GDQ. They make a lot of money and have sort of become the standard for speedrunning. Other events get little to no coverage and after watching this liar, his body language and the attitude and way he and the community handled it, there is no doubt in my mind. Also many games get left out because they don't have a large community or following, but they may actually be good games and that can come off as arbitrary and unfair to certain individuals. I have been analyzing and breaking gamer behaviors down for ahwile now. Got particularly interested in this when several prominent experts linked the fact that almost all of the mass school and mall shooters were gamers. I wanted to see what type of games and see if there really was a link or is it just a byproduct so to speak of being an anti social sociopath. Suffice to say it really is a case by case basis but all of that aside, this really seemed like a shot at GDQ. I have seen and heard chatter from a small minority, yet sizable amount of people that GDQ has sort of hijacked this cottage industry of speed running and it appears to me people are salty. Once again sociopath tendencies, particularly people who devote hundreds of hours to something with little to no pay off while GDQ does raise millions, they are earning a pretty penny just like the vast majority of all the other charities out there. He wanted to make them look like a mickey mouse operation and well he almost suceeded but ultimately will ruin it for others in the future.
Accepting the run as a segmented speedrun? sure, that's exactly what it is. Accepting it as fraud from the donating public? Also sure, as that is also accurate. The leaderboards not taking it down is understandable, as it was posted as a segmented run. Presenting a segmented run as live at a multi-million viewer charity livestream should absolutely have him banned from all further leaderboard contributions as this has absolutely stained the image of MGR speedrunners.
This is what I don't understand. It literally does not matter that the run itself is legit by segmented standards. HE IS A KNOWN CHEATER. Cheaters get banned from everything. Period.
I agree, submit as a segmented run, and be put into segmented run leaderboards is fine, just went to the site, and see such category exist. I am not a speedrunner myself, however, I cannot help but feeling bad for those legit run sharing and competing against it (notice that the second place of the segmented part is not in the main leaderboard, under the misc tab). Whatever the case, I disagree that he is stained the image of MGR speedrunners, moderation team allowing this to happen is.
I don't understand how the moderators accepted that video. I can see some, if not everyone, not seeing gdq that happens but the use of live footage should raise some eyebrows. By using that video they come off as petty, needless drama, antagonistic to the speedruners and GDQ, and preferencial treatment for the confirmed cheater. Should they have accepted it if it was raw footage? I wouldn't but that is at least a question that could have been debated. With how it stands now this is a scandal that will deter players from this game. The mods are guilty of at the very least blatant negligence, at worst nepotism.
He's one of those people who think they can do no wrong. Genuinely cheating and stealing without ever actually believing they can change or do anything different.
Thats no "W", lad. That was hard-earned money, given to him so he could do a good show, and the money could be given to a GOOD cause. While they may have exposed him, it's disrespectful to call it a W. It's more of an L, because all the happened was deception.
His own commentary shows so much insecurity it's a challenge to watch, the cringe is very high. Great job being able to put it together in a watchable format for us. Great production!
For some the "fear" of not providing a big result is so big, they resort to cheating to avoid it, which ultimately digs their own grave deeper. Some people cave in to emotions and quit the run after it got accepted, that happens more often. Its somewhat pathetic too, but at least its not lying to the audience. But also, its just a game, cheating or not, this is not a "crime", so it can really be overblown too (as there are some people that get into death threats and what not over such things, so please thats way too extreme).
@@ThisNameIsBanned What the heck are you on about? Don’t defend him with the “it’s just a game” excuse. He also did this at a charity event, which is even worse.
@@ThisNameIsBanned it was a charity event, if it was just a game then whatever, but the sake of the event was for charity, cheating at a charity event is just wrong
@@ThisNameIsBanned there is zero excuses for lying and cheating at a charity event. And the charity event was not a ‘game’. That is real life and he stained the reputation of that event.
For anybody confused about what he says after he ends the cheated speed-run: When he makes all of the weird noises, he is referring to: “CBKTWPVVEFTFRCBTSCOTSGAHBVAABSMOSSRCTACMOSGSL”. This is in his Notes on the submitted speedrun. The nonsense that follows about wanting to see “the world burn” and that he “won’t be seeing any of you” refers to how he perceives his actions and the consequences that would soon follow afterwards.
Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb, blank expression mixed with the TAS is gold.
Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb, blank expression mixed witb the TAS is gold.
@@Theunicorn2012 Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Badabun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dump, blank expression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
@@eterniturtle Bro i literally laugh uncontrollably whenever i see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb blank wxspression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
@@MrMacchiato97 Bro i literally laugh uncontrollably whenever i see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb vlank wxspression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
What baffles me is That these people have to know that trying to cheat the Speed Running Community is almost impossible but also it’s career suicide That community is literally made up of people with Sherlock Holmes tier investigative skills, vision and focus of a Mantis Shrimp and more free time than Dr Strange. You WILL get caught😂
"the whole run seemed a bit weird to me, which isn't a surprise because you would have to be weird to do this in the first place" that shit had me laughing so hard
I could tell while watching it live that he was very obsessed with playing perfectly. He got pretty mad nearly every boss fight when he made the smallest mistakes.
Speedrunning typically either requires this type of mindset or it induces it. Not putting up a defense, this guy certainly knows how cheating always works out and he made a terrible decision that he knew at every step was a terrible decision.
@@jacobunderwood4957 its not common to see at gdq at the very least. I understand emotions are high when your going for world record and something goes wrong but marathon running is a different enviroment.
As some who DID legitimately WR during my first GDQ run (AGDQ 2022, Kuon. I beat my then-WR PB by ~40sec), this makes me feel sad on a whole different level. Just... It's so gross and it cheapens it for others.
I remember being dumbfounded the first time I saw GDQ(watched an entire 8 hour FF7 run haha). The amount of money raised for good causes was/is amazing. Please don't let this bloke cheapen your achievement, you guys rock ❤
I find this quite funny because its unimaginable to me what his thought process was.. the world record holder cheats in a charity event to show everyone how truly amazing he is
the "i feel empty and deranged, denied one last epiphany and ushered from the stage" isn't a rant, it's just lyrics from This Godless Endeavor by Nevermore. The "can you please use the term..." part seems to just be him sounding out an acronym from a copypasta showed later in this video. In all honesty I think his "weird" behavior is primarily just the anxious adrenaline from deciding to cheat during GDQ.
It might be a commentary on transpeople participating in women sports. And the long acronym and "can you please use the term..." refers to LGBTQIA+ and coming up with new pronouns.
For those curious: This run is STILL the world record segmented speedrun. I just double checked and it has still not been taken down Update: As I see many people in the comments curious as to why this is a problem, let me break it down- as of October 3rd, 2023: This run is STILL the segmented speedrun record. Granted, there are currently only 2 runs in the segmented Bladewolf DLC category, but still. More below: The problem is this: he’s using a video that he used to trick people into thinking he did it in a livestream. If GDQ hadn’t stepped in, it would still most likely be the footage for that run. AKA, Meka still would be displaying his cheating like a badge of honor. Also, he currently holds the world record for non-segmented as well now, verified by the exact same user that verified this run. Which potentially calls THAT run and moderator into question as well.
@@dmasters5438 That we know of. If someone tries to cheat in one way on a given run, and you only find out through investigating, the run should be scrapped since they could have been cheating in other ways as well.
I saw this "run" live and got really excited when I found out he beat the WR by 30 seconds. Now I can't remember the last time I felt so betrayed. But now whoever wrote that comment in the chat that that said, "Hope you all enjoyed that last runner, they won't bring him back." or something like that didn't know how right they were.
Even if they weren't cheating, they still would not have brought him back. He was being a downer over not playing at his best, didn't really say much during the stream, and went on a rant on his way out.
And it's a shame too. I dug the run so much, Blade Wolf even more. The 4 streak backstab was so cool. And then my friends posted this video in the discord today and I am fucking heart broken lol
@@PinkManGuy Not only that, but he was just so weird. Over exaggerating facial and body movements, looking into the camera like a psycho. Like dude, you’re playing a goofy video game for charity, lighten the fuck up.
@@NationDixon It was in the Twitch chat during the interview following his run, which unfortunately isn't saved. I saw it get deleted by a moderator after a few seconds.
The fact that the run is still in the official leaderboard is simply incomprehensible. This is the only time I can recal that a CHEATER receives no consequences. I'm very sorry for the people playing this game, and for having the people that accepted this as moderators.
Karl Jobst is usually the one that introduces me to concepts or things going on with his videos, but for the first time, I actually know about this already! WOOHOO!
In my opinion, the pinnacle of what GDQ is about is Keizaron's Crystal run at SGDQ 2019, it was goofy, fun, had lots of involvement, shouted out members of the community and raised a ton of money for charity. Well worth the 3.5 hour watch time.
GDQ needs a talented runner, a good supportive & funny couch and a crowd on fire. That's what i like about it. The online event was mostly boring because it was lacking almost all of that.
Just want to point out the run footage used at 7:17, definitely is one of THE runs to check from GDQ, Solar Ash is a killer game and Bryonato absolutely killed that run!
He scratching his head while pretending to play and then noticing that he just fuqd up and trying to recover from that, was the funniest thing I saw all day.
Honestly, it seems like there wouldn’t be any issue if he had said “I’m not great at this category but I put together some of my best segments to display what a crazy world record would look like so I don’t bore everyone”
That's the thing, he already had the world record at it. Wanna showcase the cool stuff, sweet, that's half of GDQ runners anyway. Go slightly slower and showcase the cool tricks.
The problem is saying "I'm not great at this" is completely going against his goal, he was far too invested in having a fast speedrun, likely because he's far too invested in people seeing him as a skilled speedrunner, one of the more common motivators behind cheating in my experience.
This is what insecurity and ego fragility really looks like. He wasn't satisfied with just being good, but he didn't have the skill to be as impressive as he wanted to be. Ego beats logic and integrity, he throws caution to the winds and cheats his way to -the top- undeserved fraudulent greatness. (Replies informed me he was already the best at the time which makes this even sillier.)
@@Benji-jj2bg Honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me if his other runs where falsified or cheated in some way as well. I have 0 faith in this dudes integrity based on his actions. He has made it clear he is in it for the fame and nothing else and people like that area happy to cheat to get to the top even if its not deserved.
@@zannothefox You'd be surprised how often that GENUINELY skilled, high-level players cheat. Frankly you need to have an intimate enough understanding of the game in the first place to make a cheated run appear convincing, and that knowledge alone already puts you in like the top 1%. It's kinda fucked up but that's how it is I do agree with you - this dude has absolutely proven he cannot be trusted and nothing he says/does/posts should be taken at face value - but unfortunately, he probably still is actually the best player in the world. When he wants to be.
@@michaelnorth2055nobody’s said that. It’s just that it puts into question the integrity of the event, since people watch and donate to see live runs. If it comes out that runs are being faked, that means that less people will watch, and less people will end up donating.
Also like they didn’t even donate that money to see a world record, they just wanted to see a decent run, mostly everyone watching GDQ knows that it’s highly unlikely to see a record be done.,
It's a bummer that he felt so underwhelmed by how he played the full game on the live event. Mistakes are a part of marathons. It's the reason why records are so significant.
i would go even beyond and say the mistakes are what make the runs in live events. because most often than not, the runners end up needing to do alternative strategies to overcome those mistakes. sure its fun to see a "perfect run", but its even more fun to see someone crash and burn, come out and continue the run full on. many of the best sgdq moments came from mistakes like that, either due to the runner fumbling, or due to the rng screwing them over.
The absolute worst thing about this is that it damages the idea of online runs during these marathons. I absolutely LOVED that this GDQ did live but some online cause it's the best of both worlds. I want this to keep up because now, runner who can't easily devote that much time, traveling, or money to go live still get a chance to be part of it. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that GDQ staff maybe just gets a little tighter on what's done online, but doesn't stop the idea altogether.
His spliced run may have been legitimate, but he's already shown compromised ethics. It's not my community, but it surprises me that they let his run stand. What he displayed was the epitome of bad sportsmanship, and it reflects poorly on the community for letting his run stand. As far as I care, that particular SR community has little legitimacy because of it.
Why would you remove the legitimate spliced run? If the run is fair then it is fair. Faking at the charity thing is pretty bad and he seems thoroughly disgusting but, the submission of the run later is not delegitimized by his scummy actions or the knot in our gut.
What is truly disgusting is that this run was a donation goal. It was extra content to thank people for their generosity. Faking this is like directly insulting every donator to the charity by spitting in their face instead of thanking them. This is completely outrageous. If he never intended to actually do this run he shouldn't have proposed it as a donation goal at all. I'm sure several charity organisers would consider refunding part of the money to donators if such a thing happened because they wouldn't want their name associated which such a scam move.
@@ZoltarDeathNnja Well, the vast majority of donators really dont care, its for charity and people just throw money at incentives. The small bunch of people that honestly cared, well, sorry for them.
Idk what's with the other comments. The issue was people donated for one thing and got another. In the end it is all for charity so the money itself doesn't matter, but what does matter is the advertising and promises that say that he is performing live. For people who do know the game, they'd probably see it as a given since the DLC is so short especially in a speedrun compared to the main campaign. If he did submit it as prerecorded initially, I doubt people would care either way as long as they see cool content. TAS content is always submitted. However, he said he was gonna play it live, and he lied.
@@SlyRocko Honestly if it was an incentive of watching a prerecorded, spliced run, I doubt it would be met. People throw money at incentives to watch something interesting,. People watch GDQ to see top performing speedrunners play their game. In neither of those situations would anyone want to watch someone watch their own prerecorded run, spliced or not.
As a casual observer, I think it's a shame that some speedrunners might put pressure on themselves to get everything right at a charity event. What I find really interesting in other hobbies about slightly more low expectation environments where sometimes you'll get people who will attempt risky strategies/moves/shots is that you can sometimes see how it can _not_ work, which in the end actually gives the watcher a better appreciation of the skill than if they only ever see curated or highly focused attempts that always seem successful.
An added element to this phenomenon is how it offers a chance for runners to have to rely on back up strats or having to freestyle something on the spot when things go wrong. Which can actually offer them a chance to show off some niche yet highly skilled techniques, actually resulting into their showcasing becoming MORE impressive BECAUSE of having to deal with an unoptimal situation.
It's why I like watching Tekken high level play. I'm not watching it to learn how to play. I'm watching it as reassurance. While they're not as common as a casual player at any level, the pros make mistakes, and that's okay. Lil Majin drops King Combos. JDCR messes up instant while running attacks. Knee, fucking KNEE flubs korean backdash inputs making him eat a launcher. It's okay to make mistakes, you will never not make mistakes. It's inspiring and reassuring to me.
It's so hard to wrap my head around someone caring more for their own personal achievement than charity that they're willing to cheat people out of their money. Worry about perfection on your own time. Hell, the speedruns at GDQ where NOTHING goes right are almost always the best runs and turn into literal donation generators with everybody ending up having fun.
Some people only care about charity when they’re on the receiving end. Obviously this guy is one of them. Plus, I think it’s a US-based charity and he’s from Russia. Literally not a penny of what was donated could ever help him directly. So he’s only there to show off.
Dude should've took a page out Keizaron's book or anyone that runs a game in the Awful Games Done Quick block. Both of his Animorphs runs were scuffed to hell, but he just had fun with it. There's a reason the catchphrase at these speedrun events are "I've never seen that before". Shit just happens sometimes and you gotta roll with it.
@@endymallorn Actually, Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) is a charity created in France, whose goal is to help people all around the world - without borders, as they say in their name.
He's clearly a narcissist, the only thing that matters is self glory, hence the odd 'cryptic' rant at the end. It's textbook stuff. Narcissists will do anything for self aggrandisement and oddly mgs rising revevengence is this guy's source for that. It's really strange but fascinating behaviour. Also: what a dickhead.
@@lukebrindax7465 wow, I heard about this a day or 2 after sgdq but I had no idea this "God gamer" was already the record holder to begin with, even more bizarre
@@blemski I didn't know much about this, but when The Great Legend Jobst showed the speedrunning section for the game he was #1 with a run of 7.20.... It's so weird. HE probably would have had an amazing time too. I wish I could find the section of the video where it showed this. IT was somewhere in the early/mid of the video.
I don't think GDQ should have removed his recording from their archives. They should have kept it and flashed an overlay "This is a cheater", to make an example of him. By immortalizing his actions you then make sure people in the future give a second thought before cheating. By removing it you just ensure people forget about it and we will see another video from you about it in the future.
This would actually be pretty awesome. But it would probably make the leaderboards messy if entries start to get marked with "cheater". Maybe something like a "hall of infamy" or do they already have that? :D
I feel like this would've been a little bit too much. Criminals get their mugshots shown in the paper if they do crimes like this, but what you're suggesting borders on public humiliation. This video breaks down the events and why it happened, but that's going just a mite too far.
@@Ender41948 If it helps, folks that do this sort of thing don’t feel shame-it’s justified in their mind. If anything, he’d feel resentment over being misunderstood and/or mistreated. If something like this was done to mock him, that’d be one thing. Posting the run with a flag is functional on many levels (a reminder that cheating does happen, that cheaters are audacious, that this particular person has a history and any future claims should be regarded with heightened scrutiny, etc..,) that would provide adequate justification. Even if this runner was capable of feeling shame, ‘public humiliation’ is well within bounds. Cheaters and liars should be humiliated-particularly when done in this way. He’s not being put in the stocks and made to endure acts of abuse that compound his humiliation. This is simply showing exactly what he did-what he himself felt comfortable and justified presenting to the world and correctly labeling it for what it is. I fail to see how that is “too far” by any stretch.
It is very odd that there haven't been consequences, most communities take rapid and sometimes harsh action against any level of cheating so for this to be basically excused sounds like corruption among those in charge
yeah fr. cheating speed runners usually get immediately ostracized and lose the majority of their audience and can never participate in competitions again
@@michaelnorth2055 and what do you expect, nothing? because that is more #:cringyclownemoji:11011!?!? than what the original comment actually suggests.
@@OsnoloVrach You just replied to a bot. One of those "click on my profile for 18+" bot, where they would just copy a comment from somewhere else to try to pass as real human conversation.
The moment you reiterated it was an incentive made me go from "yeah that's a really dick move" to fury. People PAID for that run. Of course the money goes to charity so while it goes to a noble cause that I would hope the majority won't want to get a refund, that's still fucking awful and a let down to those who pooled so much just to see a fucking recording
@@RanEncounter The bonus run was just an incentive to donate, its not like people bought a run and are entitled to it or their money back. You donate to help a cause, the bonus run is exactly that: a bonus.
@@playstationarusu What? Do you understand that we actually have laws for false adveritsement and especially when it is about donating to charity. You cannot lie about what the money gets you. They have a legitimate complaint. And somehow they would be worse than the actual cheater in your mind is insane.
The fact this guy helped me speedrun MGRR is crazy, it was literally 5 months ago. Hes still widely love across the MGR community as he's in the discord helping people.
The reality is that Meka has done more for speedruns than all speedrun youtubers combined. Even his weird GDQ speech had an impact on the real speedrun community
I'm pretty sure this is the very definition of the term "unclean hands." Whether or not the run is legit in some categories is mostly irrelevant. He was selected for a timeslot and incentive slot for the biggest event in our community (which is an opportunity he effectively insulted the second he began a cheated run), decided to fake the paid incentive, bragged and lied about it, had seemingly no intention of coming clean about it until other people called him out, and continues to think he was in the right. Its absolutely disgusting levels of dishonesty. The spliced run being submitted as a spliced run is fine, but as for the live run what precedent is being set if we're letting somebody make a mockery out of the profession by playing up a faked and cheated show at the biggest event in our trade?
@@HamidKarzai ban him from all speed running forever. Don’t let these guys think they are ever welcomed at anything and put serious consequences then a simple slap on the wrists. Anything less than full ban from the community is endorsement of this behavior.
If you look at the leaderboards, he has an even more recent run submitted to the DLC "RTA" leaderboards that's one second faster than the *segmented* run. That's hella suspicious IMO. The Notes section of that run also says: "Embrace the godless nights that fall upon all of you. You have failed to understand the passion i feel. You deserved it. CBKTWPVVETFTRCBTSCOTSGAHBVAABSMOSSRCTACMOSGSL" That just sounds straight-up unhinged lol
@@HamidKarzai Yeah sorry, I realized that a little after I posted that comment and ended up deleting it... Took me a little while to realize what context you were going for. Thanks for explaining it though, because I wasn't entirely sure what you were referring to and then when I tried to Google it there were a million results for some tower defense game lol
@@MsDestroyer900 it depends how many codec calls you listen to or optional fights too. 12 hours on Normal is reasonable for a blind playthrough learning the mechanics
Our generation is desensitized to success and highly sensitized to failure. The excuses are a defense and the compliments seem to be making him feel worse about his perceived bad run. Nobody can take a W or a compliment these days. Go tell a Zoomer you appreciate them and theyll either have a mental breakdown trying to live up to your concept of them or dismiss the compliment. Beating an *8* hour game in sub one hour puts him at the absolute peak of his peers, yet only being number one was able to be satisfying to him. Meanwhile, not making wr time is devastating to him. We need to find our pride as a generation. We are the absolute most sore winners of any generation ive studied. God damn people, take your W's home with you after you earn them. Zoomer Shakespeare probably would have never released a second play after his first one didnt become the number 1 play of all time
@@TheRadiantSoap - It's a reflection of the unhealthy state of mind for this individual. Your perspective seems skewed. I don't believe what you said is true of all, or even most, people born during the specified generation. These traits have existed since the dawn of humankind.
Agreed. Typically, it's the charities themselves that give you plenty of reasons not to donate (so then you need to find a better one). Here's a tip to anyone who wants to donate to a charity -- get as much information about the charity as possible, specifically with regard to how much of the donations goes to actual helping and how much goes to administrative services. I was shocked when I learned that my local call volunteer firefighter association takes about 90% of the donations for administrative services and uses only about 10% of the donations to provide/help the actual firefighter services. Also, if you're donating via a third party, try to find out if the third party must give your donation to the organization you specify or if they can give it to whomever they want. As an example, Humble Bundle gives its customers' donations to the PayPal Giving Fund and requests that they distribute the funds as specified, but the PayPal Giving Fund is under no obligation to do so; they can distribute the funds to whatever non-profit organization(s) they want.
That "but why?" 12:33 was enough for me tho. When the other person told them straight that he was cheating then he suddenly go full "i apologize for doing this" No he wasn't, he was caught that's why he is apologizing.
It feels like as that game's community is so small, they didn't want to lose one of their best runners, that being said they've made this a sure way their community will never grow, and drive away potential new runners. Even just condemning his actions would have been enough in this situation.
Who gives a shit really? The community not growing is not his problem it's the game's problem. If a game isn't attractive to run, its not moderation's problem or the runner's problems that stop new people. Whatever you're trying to say is removed from reality and purely just feeding into outrage. Its not this big of a deal.
@@dannyway1111 As Toe & Knee mentioned, the cheater did submit the run to the segmented leaderboard. So the run follows the rules of where it's posted, meaning he hasn't cheated in the community leaderboards. But you're still right that it shows that the moderators are fine with someone who lied at a charity event, as well as lying about his plans with the segmented run itself.
Now I'm sincerely hoping someone does a world record at a live GDQ event in front of the audience, then when they announce "ITS A WORLD RECORD" they immediately just wave a hand and go "Nah man it's just segmented, nbd." because I would laugh really hard.
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For me personally, this story was a real shock. Because I was in a one russian speedrun community, called RUSC, with Mekarazium from 2017 to 2019. We have commentated together GDQ and ESA events on a russian restreams, he was a really funny and awesome guy, a little bit freaky, but in moderation. Viewers loved him and his sense of humour, moderators of RUSC also liked him, it was no signs of trouble back in those times. Now I am not a member of this community for a 3 years and I even abandoned speedrunning, but still I cannot believe in this.
What I find more deplorable is that the mods refused to do any of your requests. It says to me that they approve of his cheating and support this guy. Even if it might one person's decision to add it to the leaderboard. It makes the rest of the mod team just as bad as they didnt do anything about it.
I think some of the mods do care, the one he reached out to does seem to understand the situation and understand why he and others are outraged. In my personal opinion, I think the speedrunner may have befriended some of the mods, and they were therefore biased. If the mods were deciding what to do based on votes, they may have been outvoted by mods who were already biased towards him. It's very sad to see, but at least that initial mod he contacted seems very offput by these actions. This is obviously pure speculation on my part, though.
i don’t see why a spliced run shouldn’t be allowed on the spliced run category. that’s exactly where it belongs. records should be based on the run itself, not the ethics of the person who accomplished it. it seems very silly to pretend a run doesn’t exist just cause a bad person made it.
They have clear rules about what it or isn't allowed. The run didn't break any of those. Going around demanding the mods "condemn" any other deplorable behavior they come across and acting like they're the bad guys for not doing so is just being a prick. It's not their responsibility or job as mods to be condemning every asshole they come across.
@@lohto3 Yes clear rules that allow runs that were used to cheat on their leaderboards It's not about if it breaks the rules its about the message it sends and to me it says that they approve of cheaters and don't think Meka did anything wrong Amd by defending this you're telling me you see nothing wrong with Meka or his behavior. You're either against cheating or not. There is no middle ground.
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Hahahahha
Your late on this wave
Dang, that's awful. I hope you're feeling better now.
Skincare lmao
That's terrible, hope you will get better. If you need a break we understand.
Props to the guy who knows this game so well that he recognized a missing text box from a loading screen that ousted the cheating.
lmao, props for spending way too much time in the house?
@@rodrickheffley8020 props for having interests, maybe having a keen sense of awareness. you don’t need to be a hermit to have a favorite video game/movie/tv show that you just happen to know little details of. christ.
@@rodrickheffley8020 Average speedrun mod tbh.
@@rodrickheffley8020 Your pfp fits you so well, he's a dick just like you.
@@rodrickheffley8020 being good at something and dedicating your time to it is way better than so called shaming people for having hobbies
The wild thing is, after his first live run, I bet he could've just said beforehand he'd been working on a segmented run for the past few weeks and was excited to show it off as a "special surprise" if the crowd was interested. And no one would've had any issues with it.
Jupp
This is a really good point
Yep he could have done that. But he wanted more. He did what he did because it was an intentional cheat run and he wanted the glory of something he couldn’t achieve.
@@jfr1995 He already had the wr too, so it's even dumber
alternately he could have presented his segmented run as what is theoretically possible and asked to to split screen between that and his live play. Doing the run and showing off his segmented video.
His stated reason for cheating is so strange to me. It’s like the reasons we used to see in Goldeneye when people felt that speed-running was dominating their lives so they cheated in an effort to get banned so they had no choice but to stop and focus on other priorities.
Wha?
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Ok, no worries I won’t.
It's sort of makes sense. I know a guy who asked security to ban him at a casino because he was losing all of his money and it was a small moment of clarity. Apparently it's not that uncommon for casinos. I guess if you know you won't be able to stick to it you have to take drastic measures and do something that you can't undo
I've done something similar before
It’s cultural plus being a twat. It’s happening in the states too, main character syndrome narcissistic shit with no understanding that people don’t care anyways because it’s a charity or etc. it’s like half funny and half wtf
This is the note under his submitted run:
"Embrace the godless nights that fall upon all of you. You have failed to understand the passion i feel. You deserved it."
Yeah this guy is insane.
Sounds like darth sidious
Bro thinks he the RPG villain
Dude watches too much anime lol
he studied the blade
@@TickleMyResearch at least he didn't go I AM SPEEDRUNNING
The craziest part about this to me is that he did all of this to "beat" a WR... that he already held???
😂😂
egotistical people who excel will often "cheat while they're ahead" because they feel entitled to greater future successes
Hes a troll.
now thats a pro gamer move
@@AdamS-nd5hi Nope. Trolling is meant to make people feel stupid or angry that you got the better of them. This guy wanted to look good, and then he wanted to try and cover for himself out of fear he would be found out, likely based on chatter on social media or in the chat. If he thinks he's a troll, he's a poor one.
Cheating isnt rare, but for a charity event is just a shame
NickEh30: "Huh...?"
@@harborwolf22 That’s a little bit different though, because he just exploited a rule in the tournament. If Nick had used like aimbot or something, that would be similar.
Still scummy to do it regardless.
@@henkdachief I would say its worse
He raised money for charity nontheless
Shame is too nice I would say pathetic
I was in the crowd for it, and everyone was baffled by how cringe that post-run speech was. My girlfriend and I were talking about how strange it was immediately after. At that point in time, SGDQ was hours behind schedule, so I was kind of shocked that the feed wasn't just dropped. Him showing a spliced run for a donation incentive when other runners were dropping or changing planned runs to get back on schedule, it's an even bigger slap in the face to the community.
People sometimes get into all-or-nothing thinking when they get into crucify mode. The schedule of GDQ is unimportant in this story. He wasn't in charge of the scheduling, and he didn't play any role in the event's mismanagement of time / other runners taking longer than expected.
I see "crucify" mode crop up all the time when someone is en vogue to be hated (e.g. hating on Trump, hating on Musk, etc.). Stay fair and reasonable even when dealing with someone who has been unfair and unreasonable. It is a pretty bad sign that your comment has +559. I'm hoping they were upvoting the comment about his speech being odd rather than shifting the blame of a packed schedule on him just because he did one bad thing at the event. This kind of energy is how mobs form, how people get dehumanized - it's surely the same mental loop people doing a wide variety of bad things to others use (e.g. bigotry). It's a short-circuit of reason. Yeah, he cheated. No, he wasn't a supervillain who also concocted a plan to cause delays in GDQ's schedule. Even if someone were a murderer, they have no control over the weather. It might feel nice to say, "Wow, a tornado happened. What a jerk," but as that example exposes, in less subtle situations, this type of energy is illogical.
You can think his words were weird, but it seems pretty normal for a speed runner to have a little time to make comments at the end. If you want to blame anyone for him talking at the end, it's the people at GDQ who let him have the floor at the end. Don't fall into the trap where "good" people are perfect and "bad" people are perfectly immoral. Everyone has done good and bad things before, and just because your bad things you've done weren't a public event doesn't mean you should enter crucify mode. Always stay unbiased as best you can. Should we blame him for the weather as well?
Say less fam
@@AG-ld6rv i think he should be walked up a mountaintop and fed a mouthful of vinegar by roman legionaries before being executed, yes
people over there at those kinda events have girlfriends? lmao
@@xKamiiii Yeah but the new age kind of girlfriend if you know what I mean
I absolutely love the “I cheated to show the flaws in the system/do something deeper than just lie at video games” trope
Hi Wyatt!
Thats definetly not his motive
@@rajadacosmica3308he doesn't have a motive in the first place, he's just mentally disturbed. Which is mostly par for the course with speedrunning
" i stabbed you to show you how weak your clothes are "
@@explodingtoilet6711well, he’s russian, it explains a lot
To not only cheat a run, but to do it one that is only 7 minutes long during a charity event planned a month ahead of time and submit it as a WR makes this one of the most insidious cheating scandals yet
That man is disgusting!!
Especially after they completed a legitimtae 53 minute long run. Like why
A lot of speedrunners have tried to use big events like GDQ to bring new viewers to their twitch or youtube channels. I bet that for him it wasn't enough to just complete a run, he had to do it in a spectacular way that would make people want to check more of his content out. You can tell by the way he speaks and acts he has that "performer" vibe.
@@killer92173 Youre so right. What a filfthy scumbag would raise 25,000€ towards charity? Such a piece of shit.
For a moment there I was trying to remember when I wrote this comment, thinking my early onset dementia was kicking in.
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The biggest issue is somebody that would have played legit, put on an actual show, would have been in his spot.
The attention goes to him. The traffic bump goes to him.
Somebody in that community should feel really robbed of an opportunity.
I hadn't thought of it that way. That's one more reason he should be banned!
@@henkdachief it’s wild to see someone actually defend a cheater, I can only assume you are cheater yourself, how disgusting
@@henkdachief But, not a brave enough one not to delete your previous comment.
I'm sure it would have been easy enough to arrange as well if he still wanted to do the run for the main game and didn't want to be bothered with running the DLC live. Surely he could have hosted someone else running the DLC or whatever or the GDQ folks could have passed the stream to them if it was made clear that he didn't want to run the DLC.
@@adrigl3371 May I ask what his 1st reply was?
This guy: "That run was bad, im sleep deprived, I choked, im sorry."
Also this guy: "No safety strats, because im a God Gamer!"
bro look like XQC
Yeah, you'd think that would have been an immediate red flag.
It may seem contradictory, but that first part is the same ego from the other one. "The only reason I, the God Gamer, had a bad run was because I'm sleep deprived and it was actually a massive choke for a God Gamer like me to only perform three minutes shy of the world record."
It could be sarcasm as well, but this guy has a massive ego so idk
Why are we assuming that run wasn’t spliced as well?
When I watch GDQ, I'm not expecting a WR, I'm more interested in getting the runners explanation of what they're doing. I don't think anyone would expect the best run to happen at an event.
I know this is an older comment, but I agree 100%, when you have a runner who understands the game on that speed running level, and they are great at explaining the exploits and strategies, giving you an insight into how the game was built and how you can take advantage of these quirks... It's very cool, it's about getting an understanding of what makes each game unique and why this game or that game is fun to try and break... That's also why it's unfortunate when you get a runner that doesn't want to talk about the game while they run it, it kinda takes away any real insight you might get. But most of the time, they're great at getting you drawn in.
@@TheHive616 Also, at GDQ, the runners typically show off strats, just little fun things, the good runners just go "Oh hey, I know something cool here, I'll only lose about 30 seconds!"
@@zapx1239
Yeah its always felt to me like an event that's celebrating speedrunning while raising money for charity, not an event where people get world records
GDQ is just a fraud charity event with cheaters. A disgrace to the gaming community.
The only one I know is zelard1. He had His best blindfold run live on Stage
As a non speedrunner and causal gamer, I love how much the community LOVES what they do. You guys will go frame by frame to ensure authenticity, it's genuinely beautiful.
There's more scrutiny in the speedrun community than in the Olympics
Crazy
@@powmod1 FR lol. Cheaters always get busted, can't fool people who know absolutely everything about the game.
@@Teh_Random_Canadian The real problem is when a cheater gets busted but still gets to keep the prizes and visibility he took for himself.
@@ZorotheGallade Most cheaters are ostracized from the community after getting busted. In this case the money went to charity so I don't see a huge problem with that. Anytime this guy does any public events again he is going to get flooded by people calling him out as a cheater
dude, ive been wanting to find a game to speedrun(honestly im thinking about waiting for hytale and getting other people together to make that speedrunning community) and i can honestly say that their passion for a single game is amazing to be able to play a game for hours, days, years, and not get tired of it, finding ways to push its limits, its honestly beautiful in its own crazy way
The crazy thing is that if he had cleared it with the event staff ahead of time they probably would have loved for him to show off a segmented run. The problem was him trying to pass it off as live.
Nah man they would've just told him to actually play the game lmao
@@r5yan102 TAS block is a thing, and I think they've shown segmented runs before. It's not like the run itself is cheated, it's just for a different category. It's showing it off pretending it's live that makes it "cheating".
@@MudakTheMultiplier For all we know, he may have installed cheat software or had a friend play one of the segments. Our only assurance to the contrary is his word, which is now worthless.
@@davidlevy706 yeah *now* his word is worthless. But if he had up front from the beginning when he put in his application said "I am building a segmented run for the DLC of this game that should be done in time for the marathon, I could show that and do explanations as a donation incentive" they would have been totally cool with that.
Showing basically what would be a "perfect" run, how only segmented runs can.
And they also showed TAS runs before, also for the point of technical perfection. TASBot is always a fun thing, but they don't pretend it's a human live run.
He could've shown literally the same run, but as a positive. Now we have what is basically a fraud.
This is a huge step over the big red line. Having him still in the community is a kick in the balls for other runners.
Yeah it sucks, because I really like speedrunning Metal Gear Rising
Should he just be banned for life then, never allowed to speed run again? No shot at redemption? Shoot, why don't prisons just execute people with that logic.
He will never be trusted again
"NNOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HECKING CHEAT ON THE BING BING YAHOO TO RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITY!"
Let me guess, you are a woman but you also have an Adam's apple?
@@LaggySnake The mods of the MGR community are corrupt, for letting something like this slide. Disgusting.
The "world record" being 25 seconds ahead of a 7:20 record is instantly 500 red flags. I don't understand how someone who ALREADY had the record didn't understand that 25 seconds is absolutely absurd to happen.
You dont seem like you watch a lot of speedruns
With new tactics and stuff it is possible. And it already happen.
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763the thing was that there weren't any better strats being used, so cutting 25 seconds off with just better play in a speedrun under 10 minutes doesn't happen very often, especially not at sgdq.
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763 In a 10 minute dlc from now 9 years ago?! Nopers, it's a giant red flag.
@@motodog242 ah okay i can see youre new to speedrunning xD
@@sonicartzldesignerclan5763You must be the new one. In a run that short 25 seconds is like lightyears faster, especially when no new strats were I implemented. It's nigh impossible to pull off a 25 second save in a 7 minute run without new strats. He is cutting out 5% of the run without any strategy changes. That's unheard of, especially on a marathon.
“no No NO!! Perfect.” The words of an honest and humble man right there.
Would have looked more believeable if he just shut up and acted like he was focusing -.-
Porn tier acting
he think he light yagami but really he buggy the clown
When he took the hand off the mouse he should have grabbed a slice of pizza. Would have been less suspicious.
One thing to consider. The donors should still feel that warm fuzzy feeling of charity. What THEY did was selfless and should be honoured. Fuck cheaters.
100%. The level of ego cannot be expressed through words.
^ This is the correct answer.
Agreed. Donors weren't cheated out of their money. They gave to a good cause and they will remain champions regardless of that douche. I agree tho that it's really bad for charity to allow cheating, it's a nice "one-off" but in the long run, people won't come back if they think it's not legit. They should really make it clear that they don't tolerate it.
One thing is that regardless of being a donor is mostly anonymous - is that they should be allowed to get their 15 minutes of fame and knowing their generosity appreciated. Especially some people chose to donor at the event because they can make witty comment and internal jokes to honor friendships and relationships. It's a small gesture that makes the donor not only generous but also entertaining. I had my experience of punished for doing a good deed, so my heart goes out to the donor who wants to spice and enhance the events.
Getting that moment robbed, is putrid.
The strangest thing is, you get free publicity. You actually already gain from joining this charity event. And still there is a dickhead wanting to exploit it, its super strange decision making.
I totally get why they might not honor Consideration 1, simply because the spliced video itself *is* a valid and fair segmented run. Consideration 2 might have even been out of their hands, but considering GDQ did it anyway, that seems doubtful. But, what I'm really blown away by, is that they refused to do Consideration 3. Like, c'mon, denouncing actual cheating at a live event is the lowest of low hanging fruits. I can only imagine what it says about the mindset of the moderation team if they refused to publicly condemn cheating.....
I mean, they don't have a huge platform to make a statement I think, not like it would change the public's opinion. Especially not after this video.
@@norock_ They will be picked up by Karl Jobst who will broadcast it. Not having a platform should not been an excuse. Rather I seen people apologize easier in front of less people.
It’s not their place to condemn something outside of their leaderboard.
Ethically speaking, it is not only entirely their responsibility to represent the speedrunning community, but I'd even go as far as to say it is their duty to make sure that their runners follow through with the integrity/rules that makes up the hobby and passion
Falling back on "technicalities" isn't what an arbitrator should be doing. Refusing to take accountability is beyond just unsatisfying for the community, but it is just wrong to show the public that you are willing to set aside integrity when that is the only foundation you stand on as a "Leaderboard".
Lastly, Do not defend cheaters, there are people who put lots of time into demonstrating how much time they put into something that they are passionate about and when cheaters are allowed to walk over everyone, that is a sign that genuine reasoning is failing within people. Be smart, friends.
They don't have to accept a run just because it exists and it technically follows the rules. People delete their SRC accounts and/or get banned all the time. A speedrun board has never been a definitive account of every time ever achieved, and it reflects poorly on the community to post times from a known cheater.
"think outside the box" = "stop thinking rationally and just give me a pass"
Honestly, disgusting. I remember a Terraria run from Badger at AGDQ 2020 where he didnt finish because he made some mistakes. An awesome run from an awesome dude who genuinely felt sorry he couldnt show off everything the game had to offer. The crowd cheered him on and the donations came flying. I talked with him a bit on Twitter after that and he said he was happy to be there and help fight cancer.
THATS what GDQ is about, not this arrogant waste of oxygen who gives this cool cause a bad rep.
GDQ makes money back from the company they give the donations to.
Some times mistakes will be made. That's ok. It's the risk the performers and viewers are aware of when it's live and single segment. It's still fun to watch.
I remember watching it live, man had so much charisma and positivity in him it was infectious unlike whatever this guy's deal is
With how GDQ treats people, they give themselves a bad rep. Look at the incidents between them and runners over the years.
gdq didn't take it as easy as the community did
As soon as I heard that runs at GDQ could now be done outside of the actual event with no supervision, I knew this was gonna happen.
I mean this definitely was bound to happen but this wasn't even a cheater this guy had weird motives and goals in cheating which is even stranger than just cheating to look good
Shockmaster!
Spoiler: he's not the first
@@CranE6490 I mean no shit, theres been cheaters in every game, every catagory, and every community except ones that are super small and niche.
Yeah same honestly 😬 once I heard him say they do it online now I’m like oh no that’s not going to work out well lol 😅
People used to talk a lot about cringe in GDQ, but this guy is the king, pure pain. This is absolutely insane... I mean, how obsessed with a run can you be?
Billy Mitchell nd Todd Togges had left the chat*
Totally! I'm watching GDQ now for five or six years, and there is always someone who is a bit _weird_. But watching this run (because I didn't know the game) was very weird. I've never seen someone sad about a time or something, because that's not what's it all about. Of course not every run can be a WR, but again - that's not what the event is for.
hes a god-cringer
I mostly watch GDQ for the Megaman blocks
Villain origin story
It's wild that he actually did a decent live run of the game and genuinely had some skill as he apparently held the real DLC record already.
Yeah, it's weird how real life isn't a fairy tale where only the good-hearted people can be really good at stuff. It's so unbeliavable that someone whose drive to be the best allowed them to rise above the others would go beyond what normal people would consider reasonable to achieve success. I'm baffled.
@@lief3414 It IS weird. If you're so good then why the fuck wouldn't you just do it legit? That makes zero sense. It's not difficult at all to understand why people assume that cheaters don't have the skill.
@@jessicastjames6202 Yes, it's not difficult to understand why people asume anything, it's because people have high ego and dislike thinking, therefore just jump to whatever conclusion suits them and don't question it. In this case it's the classic black and white worldview (cheaters evil, evil people worthless) because it's so much less stressful than the nuances of the real world.
As for if it makes sense or not, I was pretty damn clear in my comment, read it again. Or maybe do some research on known cheaters (Lance Armstrong or Riolu come to mind), read their commentary. Don't be another arrogant assumer.
@@lief3414 why are you defending a cheater lmaooo
@@MotherSoren Because someone has to, otherwise it's just a witch hunt. That's how modern judicial systems work.
It's not that I like the cheater, I just dislike the general aproach this comment section has.
Funny thing is, I bet if he'd specified to gdq to have the incentive as a bonus "best possible segmented run showcase" sort of thing. Then commentated on the gameplay and tricks etc. They probably would have allowed it. But to do that for the actual WR... Man what a fool.
Yea if this was done people would probably be super happy to obtain a ton of knowledge
foolish boy
Yeah, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure GDQ occasionally shows TAS. Which is where all the inputs are pre planned to make a perfect run or execute glitches and skips that are impossible or practically impossible for humans to pull off. It’s super interesting
@@qwertyasdf4081 This isn't a TAS (or at least as far as we know it isn't, he could be lying about that too), this is just a spliced sum of best segments. Both are interesting in their own right, but they're definitely not the same thing.
@@grythm Oh, I never said this run was a TAS lol. I’m just commenting on what OP said, things besides normal runs can also be interesting and fun. Maybe i miscommunicated or sumn idk
My opinion regarding the moderator decision:
Allowing it on the leaderboards as a segmented run is a bit questionable (if he was willing to lie once about it being segmented, he'd probably also be willing to lie about it being tool-assisted as well).
Hosting footage where he is intentionally pretending it is not a segmented run is not even remotely acceptable, even if it is under the correct leaderboard. If you're submitting a segmented run, there should never be anything in the video to indicate it is anything other than a segmented run.
Yeah IMO they should've looked at the footage, seen that he's trying to pass it off as a legit run in it, then tell him to submit the run to the correct Leaderboard (the regular one) since it doesn't look like he's doing a segmented run.
Then upon further tries keep denying the entry because it's clearly the same run previously submitted,
They came off pretty scummy, kinda made it clear that a few of them agree with the faker
I tend to agree with you, the whole 'moral principle' thing holds no water for me if it's submitted as segmented, but the footage needs to reflect that and not be misleading.
Its pretty obvious to me that they simple do not care about the players that submit runs actions outside of the Speedrun website itself, which i see no problem with, like in any kind of record keeping place, it should be not only completely non political, but also not bound by the emotions of those surrounding it, seperating the person who did the run from the run itself, to completely discredit his segmented run on the site for actions he did elsewhere would be ludicrous.
@@justsomeguywhodoeswhathewa4591 Most record keeping organizations absolutely will disqualify you for cheating if you are caught cheating elsewhere in the same sport. I have no clue where you got the idea that they wouldn't.
There is no reason to trust that his run didn't use TAS tools if he was already caught lying about it being segmented.
Some friends and I used to binge GDQ back in the day, some people would even sneakily check in while at work, we'd all prioritise the event over sleep. None of us have the time these days to do that any more, but I smile knowing others are keeping the flame burning. Your video is the first I've heard of this guy cheating, how terribly lame and sad. I hope they can go back to live audience events, not just because of cheaters, but there was a lot of fun to be had with banter between the audience, staff, runners and their friends.
It was a mix of in person and online this year. Many great runs with good banter this Year. I really enjoyed the pokemon diamond/pearl glitchless run
it was mix this year, I recommend watching the vods! I had so much fun & multiple of runs!
The benefit of remote runs is a larger pool of capable runners though! You get more international people joining in. This definitely seemed to be an outlier at least. I prefer the mixture of in person/remote.
@@Kez325 The potential for everyone just deciding to cheat outweighs any of the benefits. That larger audience is going to dwindle pretty fast if half the runners at an event decide cheating is okay and then are exposed.
It also raises issues of potential corruption and loss of integrity. Suppose GDQ becomes fully online for good next year, and a significant portion of the runners saw what Meka did and decide they're going to do it too. Like I said earlier, if the audience finds out that half the runs are cheated, nobody is going to want to watch the event anymore. So suppose half or more of the runs turn out to be fake and GDQ becomes aware of it only after the fact - what then? Are they gonna risk the mass scandal and loss of interest that would inevitably follow such a widespread instance of cheating? No. No, they'll do the only thing they realistically can do in a situation like that - cover it up.
Once that happens, that's it. The floodgates are open from then on. Every run will be a fake segmented run with the runners pretending to play for adulation, and GDQ will have to keep covering it up or all the money dries up. Eventually it'll come out or course, but after a few years of everyone watching fake runs and pointing out all the inconsistencies only to have GDQ gaslight and make excuses, it'll have become normalised. Then your speedrunning community becomes as fake as reality TV.
And it'll happen. Eventually, if the event organisers decide it's less hassle to just run the thing online rather than organise a physical event, enough runners will decide to cheat all at once and everything I've laid out will come true. Right now, it's just one outlier. One asshole out for personal glory who cheated at GDQ and somehow managed to escape being made a total pariah. Other assholes saw what he did and are thinking they can do that themselves, they just need to be smarter about it and not get caught. Pretty soon, one asshole will become 10 assholes, then 20, then 50. Until eventually, enough runners turn that it completely undermines the integrity of the whole event from then on. Because sure, right now GDQ has a zero tolerance policy on cheating. But if cheating becomes the norm, they can't realistically keep to that policy without undermining the whole event.
That was long and rather rambling, and probably a little bit paranoid. Apologies. But I don't think what I laid out is entirely outside the realm of possibility. After the events of the last two years, it's clear than nothing is ever too crazy to happen.
@@Omicron9999 If people wanted to cheat in a GDQ run they can do it in person as well, just using other means (modifying a game or controller for instance). GDQ just needs to monitor remote runs a little more closely after this and things will be fine. It's not like this run was faked so amazingly that it was impossible to notice, people simply never thought someone would be dumb enough to do something like this during a charity event.
Additionally, you're entire hypothetical kind of hinges on the majority of speedrunners being cheaters, which is obvious nonsense. No one wants to be publicly called out as a cheater in an event witnessed by hundreds of thousands of people. He got banned from several games for this, certainly not something you want if you want to keep speedrunning.
The best part is that if he explained that he was very tired and didn’t feel like playing the DLC, he could have just showed the splices video and explained what he did in each section to achieve perfection.
its always horrible when this happens or something similar. someone else who actually deserved it should've been here.
"NNOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HECKING CHEAT ON THE BING BING YAHOO TO RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITY!"
Let me guess, you are a woman but you also have an Adam's apple?
A fair point, that's a big platform that could kickstart the online career of some smaller streamers and that's 1+h of primetime that could have gone to someone more deserving.
Like Who?
@@OrochiCr anyone that's smaller and not as known obv if your finishing for names, and you your self don't know any then you prove the point.
I think that a lot of speedrunners get so caught up in the idea of being the fastest player of a certain game that they fail to realize that what they do is already pretty amazing on its own...at least it is for the majority of spectators who only want to be entertained and who don't care about the other speedrunners in the scene. When you have the spotlight on you, let that single fact leave you feeling satisfied:)
The idea to be the best in the whole world affects you. It may be a useless little thing like a world record on a videogame but knowing you are the only one makes you feel great, so they want that feeling in particular.
Chasing the dragon
He already was the fastest
He was already the world record holder and then decided to do this to beat his own record😂
It’s a shame that this happened because allowing virtual livestreams in GDQ would’ve been amazing for accessibility reasons, but after this and other cheating allegations they’ll probably never do anything other than in-person ever again
Yeah a few bad apples spoil the bunch
They're going with the hybrid model for AGDQ 2024. So far there's no reason to believe that isn't the new norm.
@@Dovah_Slayer As an American it's rare to see (or hear) that idiom expressed in its entirety rather than just the first few words blurted out as an excuse for maintaining a rotten and corrupt organizational culture.
just wanna chime in and say they had mutliple, (i assume) cheat free, remote runs this year.
@@tazimusmaximus
With the right moderation it can be done!
The fact that he was the one who held the world record for the DLC but still decided to cheat it makes it even more bizarre.. like he already held the world record but then decided to trash his own legitimate world record with the spliced run and tarnish his achievement.
Cheating, while live, on a charity stream, for a world record run? That is so over the top gutsy (in a bad way) that I can't fathom how he thought this would work out.
he probably didnt at all, lol
A world record that he himself already legitimately held...
By making money?
@@yeetingat100subs9 A lot of people have claimed that because they keep reading about it and copy but he did not in fact held the wr before that
@@Jartran72 it's literally in the video
I hadn't realized that he still defends his actions to this day. I know when the story broke it was suggested that his odd behavior and language after the "record" was backtracking out of regret. Obviously it's clear that he knows it'll be his last GDQ, like being caught is inevitable. But I guess it was less regret and more a recognition that he had made enough glaring mistakes that he couldn't hide behind (like moving a mouse with one's left hand). I understand people wanting to look good on stream, but is it really worth it if getting caught means your career is destroyed?
The problem here is that... His career wasn't ruined at all. He's still allowed to Speedrun, just likely not at GDQ
He's a tool bag
Career? It’s playing a game fast let’s calm down now
@@randomcatname7792 what we gonna take his controller away? What do you mean still allowed to speedrun?
@@Chimpmanboom Can't take away his controller obviously, but speedrunners who cheat are often banned from the rankings by the community for said game. There's nothing stopping them from speedrunning in private, but for many of them speedrunning is their actual job through streaming so these bans can have a big impact on them.
That is truly unbelievable. What a sad story. Thank you for bringing this to our attention Karl.
Would also liek to give credit to Abyssoft who covered this also, I think the day it was uncovered. Karl's probably took longer to gather more info, but it's still cool that we're getting multiple people to cover this stuff.
Seen one where the guy kept making mistakes and lost a lot of time, but he finished it out. Have a lot more respect for him, and anyone else who sticks it out to the end, especially after watching these bums cheating
are you talking about the halo speed run
This reminds me of a randomized Castlevania SOTN run in wich the runner had one of the worst possible RNGs, using less optimal strategies most of the time because they didn't get the best skills. It was some of the most fun I've had watching a marathon run.
It's awesome when people can do great times in a charity marathon, but it's not the goal. Sharing experiences, raising awareness and having a good time is much more valuable.
At an old GDQ, some dude was playing a Super Nintendo RPG. I think it was Drakkhen, but I can;'t remember. Anyway, the cart died on them and they had to replace it midrun. Luckily, he had a second copy on him. Then the Super Nintendo died! Luckily, there were multiple around. But the dude kept playing and it was incredible. All the commentators and the crowd were cheering him. It was a fantastic run of unfortunate events.
My favorite AGDQ run was the fallout anthology by tomato angus where at the end of the run he has too many rads to complete the game and has to redo a section to get a rad away only to find out that before the reactor chamber where he previously died there was a shelf with a rad away on it.
stuff like that makes it so much more entertaining
@@Mendigom As in, it was one of those kinds of shelves that have randomly generated loot?
@@endlesswanderer1753 That sounds wicked. Not even the fate of the universe killing games can stop him. (wonder why they died)
Which SOTN speedrun was that?
One of my favorite things about GDQ is that they aren't showing off the best run -- they're showing off an exhibition of the community around that run. You get interesting insight into what it's like to run the game, and the failures and commentary along the way are a huge part of the charm. Cheating a world record is so far outside of the spirit it's hard to imagine someone even deciding it was worthwhile...
Edit: just saw the part where the runner apologizes and makes excuses for a perfectly fine run. I've seen GDQ runs that go over time and people still have a good attitude about it because it's clear the run was very difficult to pull off. It's a shame this runner wasn't following the etiquette of other runners; the attitude he brought was really out of step with the event
This basically. It's a show, an event. It's not about beating the WR, it's about showing the community and how the game is run.
I think what more runners need to realize is that venues like GDQ are not WR attempt venues, they're shows. They're for entertainment. Failing a trick and seeing how the runner deals with it is part of the show, and good showmanship is about salvaging a decent time when you're put on the back foot.
I think that was the point of this person and his actions. He wanted to take a shot at GDQ. They make a lot of money and have sort of become the standard for speedrunning. Other events get little to no coverage and after watching this liar, his body language and the attitude and way he and the community handled it, there is no doubt in my mind. Also many games get left out because they don't have a large community or following, but they may actually be good games and that can come off as arbitrary and unfair to certain individuals.
I have been analyzing and breaking gamer behaviors down for ahwile now. Got particularly interested in this when several prominent experts linked the fact that almost all of the mass school and mall shooters were gamers. I wanted to see what type of games and see if there really was a link or is it just a byproduct so to speak of being an anti social sociopath. Suffice to say it really is a case by case basis but all of that aside, this really seemed like a shot at GDQ.
I have seen and heard chatter from a small minority, yet sizable amount of people that GDQ has sort of hijacked this cottage industry of speed running and it appears to me people are salty. Once again sociopath tendencies, particularly people who devote hundreds of hours to something with little to no pay off while GDQ does raise millions, they are earning a pretty penny just like the vast majority of all the other charities out there. He wanted to make them look like a mickey mouse operation and well he almost suceeded but ultimately will ruin it for others in the future.
Accepting the run as a segmented speedrun? sure, that's exactly what it is. Accepting it as fraud from the donating public? Also sure, as that is also accurate. The leaderboards not taking it down is understandable, as it was posted as a segmented run. Presenting a segmented run as live at a multi-million viewer charity livestream should absolutely have him banned from all further leaderboard contributions as this has absolutely stained the image of MGR speedrunners.
This is what I don't understand. It literally does not matter that the run itself is legit by segmented standards. HE IS A KNOWN CHEATER. Cheaters get banned from everything. Period.
I agree, submit as a segmented run, and be put into segmented run leaderboards is fine, just went to the site, and see such category exist. I am not a speedrunner myself, however, I cannot help but feeling bad for those legit run sharing and competing against it (notice that the second place of the segmented part is not in the main leaderboard, under the misc tab).
Whatever the case, I disagree that he is stained the image of MGR speedrunners, moderation team allowing this to happen is.
@@Vildjur I can agree with your take on the moderation team being responsible for the stain.
@@hamsturinn that going bit far 😂
I don't understand how the moderators accepted that video. I can see some, if not everyone, not seeing gdq that happens but the use of live footage should raise some eyebrows. By using that video they come off as petty, needless drama, antagonistic to the speedruners and GDQ, and preferencial treatment for the confirmed cheater.
Should they have accepted it if it was raw footage? I wouldn't but that is at least a question that could have been debated. With how it stands now this is a scandal that will deter players from this game.
The mods are guilty of at the very least blatant negligence, at worst nepotism.
He's one of those people who think they can do no wrong. Genuinely cheating and stealing without ever actually believing they can change or do anything different.
Same as in ukraine
The biggest W goes to the donors for raising all that money for charity AND exposing a cheater at the same time.
Biggest L goes to the dork mod who probably knows he's a POS but revels in it
@@g0stn0te what are you talking about
@@sneakersneakersneaker your mother
Thats no "W", lad. That was hard-earned money, given to him so he could do a good show, and the money could be given to a GOOD cause. While they may have exposed him, it's disrespectful to call it a W. It's more of an L, because all the happened was deception.
@@luhvmelodythe ends justify the means
His own commentary shows so much insecurity it's a challenge to watch, the cringe is very high.
Great job being able to put it together in a watchable format for us. Great production!
Yours probably would to
Sounds like an Ubisoft “mp trailer”
Imagine being such a huge narcissist that you cheat at a charity event.
“I’m a god gamer”
How pathetic
For some the "fear" of not providing a big result is so big, they resort to cheating to avoid it, which ultimately digs their own grave deeper.
Some people cave in to emotions and quit the run after it got accepted, that happens more often. Its somewhat pathetic too, but at least its not lying to the audience.
But also, its just a game, cheating or not, this is not a "crime", so it can really be overblown too (as there are some people that get into death threats and what not over such things, so please thats way too extreme).
@@ThisNameIsBanned What the heck are you on about? Don’t defend him with the “it’s just a game” excuse. He also did this at a charity event, which is even worse.
@@ThisNameIsBanned it was a charity event, if it was just a game then whatever, but the sake of the event was for charity, cheating at a charity event is just wrong
@@ThisNameIsBanned there is zero excuses for lying and cheating at a charity event. And the charity event was not a ‘game’. That is real life and he stained the reputation of that event.
Ok see if he had a Coke and a pizza he would have never been caught
For anybody confused about what he says after he ends the cheated speed-run:
When he makes all of the weird noises, he is referring to: “CBKTWPVVEFTFRCBTSCOTSGAHBVAABSMOSSRCTACMOSGSL”. This is in his Notes on the submitted speedrun. The nonsense that follows about wanting to see “the world burn” and that he “won’t be seeing any of you” refers to how he perceives his actions and the consequences that would soon follow afterwards.
Man, he should have brought Coke and pizza with him.
Badabun style, lol!
The instant I saw no pizza or coke, I realized he was a fraud
... Every serious speed runner has a 6 ounce slice of pizza and a 12 ounce coke
My only regret is that I have but one like to give to this comment … and it was sniped by my fiancée over my shoulder.
Speedrun Coke and Pizza%
That's how you diferenciate the babby speedrunners to the elite of the elites.
Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb, blank expression mixed with the TAS is gold.
Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb, blank expression mixed witb the TAS is gold.
@@Theunicorn2012 Bro I literally laugh uncontrollably whenever I see the clips of Badabun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dump, blank expression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
@@eterniturtle Bro i literally laugh uncontrollably whenever i see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb blank wxspression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
@@MrMacchiato97 Bro i literally laugh uncontrollably whenever i see the clips of Bababun 1-frame jumping backwards. His dumb vlank wxspression mixed witb the TAS is gols.
Wth is bababun? I only heard about Badabun
What baffles me is That these people have to know that trying to cheat the Speed Running Community is almost impossible but also it’s career suicide
That community is literally made up of people with Sherlock Holmes tier investigative skills, vision and focus of a Mantis Shrimp and more free time than Dr Strange.
You WILL get caught😂
"the whole run seemed a bit weird to me, which isn't a surprise because you would have to be weird to do this in the first place" that shit had me laughing so hard
Those games are older than me
I could tell while watching it live that he was very obsessed with playing perfectly. He got pretty mad nearly every boss fight when he made the smallest mistakes.
This dude is a freak
@@chinad34th he was wild, jamming out to the music and emoting constantly.
Speedrunning typically either requires this type of mindset or it induces it.
Not putting up a defense, this guy certainly knows how cheating always works out and he made a terrible decision that he knew at every step was a terrible decision.
@@jacobunderwood4957 its not common to see at gdq at the very least.
I understand emotions are high when your going for world record and something goes wrong but marathon running is a different enviroment.
@@Katie-hj5eb I guess not for this guy, which was part of the problem.
As some who DID legitimately WR during my first GDQ run (AGDQ 2022, Kuon. I beat my then-WR PB by ~40sec), this makes me feel sad on a whole different level. Just... It's so gross and it cheapens it for others.
belated congrats on that one.
:/
I remember being dumbfounded the first time I saw GDQ(watched an entire 8 hour FF7 run haha). The amount of money raised for good causes was/is amazing. Please don't let this bloke cheapen your achievement, you guys rock ❤
I find this quite funny because its unimaginable to me what his thought process was.. the world record holder cheats in a charity event to show everyone how truly amazing he is
the "i feel empty and deranged, denied one last epiphany and ushered from the stage" isn't a rant, it's just lyrics from This Godless Endeavor by Nevermore. The "can you please use the term..." part seems to just be him sounding out an acronym from a copypasta showed later in this video. In all honesty I think his "weird" behavior is primarily just the anxious adrenaline from deciding to cheat during GDQ.
It might be a commentary on transpeople participating in women sports. And the long acronym and "can you please use the term..." refers to LGBTQIA+ and coming up with new pronouns.
I'm pretty sure the "can you please use the term..." Is him reading out the acronym from 14:05
@@aiayou it literally has nothing to do with what you said
@@StucklnAWell, probably an AI comment.
upd. oh lmao read the name
@@aiayou most normal youtube comment
For those curious: This run is STILL the world record segmented speedrun. I just double checked and it has still not been taken down
Update: As I see many people in the comments curious as to why this is a problem, let me break it down- as of October 3rd, 2023: This run is STILL the segmented speedrun record. Granted, there are currently only 2 runs in the segmented Bladewolf DLC category, but still. More below:
The problem is this: he’s using a video that he used to trick people into thinking he did it in a livestream. If GDQ hadn’t stepped in, it would still most likely be the footage for that run. AKA, Meka still would be displaying his cheating like a badge of honor. Also, he currently holds the world record for non-segmented as well now, verified by the exact same user that verified this run. Which potentially calls THAT run and moderator into question as well.
Sad
No one actually cares about sppedruns, let alone phocking MGS.
Why would it need to be taken down? It is a "segmented" speedrun, isn't it?
@@mixes1228 UMM actually its not mgs, its metal gear rising... You Silly goose...!
@@dmasters5438 That we know of. If someone tries to cheat in one way on a given run, and you only find out through investigating, the run should be scrapped since they could have been cheating in other ways as well.
I saw this "run" live and got really excited when I found out he beat the WR by 30 seconds. Now I can't remember the last time I felt so betrayed. But now whoever wrote that comment in the chat that that said, "Hope you all enjoyed that last runner, they won't bring him back." or something like that didn't know how right they were.
oh, they knew. they knew for sure.
Even if they weren't cheating, they still would not have brought him back. He was being a downer over not playing at his best, didn't really say much during the stream, and went on a rant on his way out.
And it's a shame too. I dug the run so much, Blade Wolf even more. The 4 streak backstab was so cool. And then my friends posted this video in the discord today and I am fucking heart broken lol
@@PinkManGuy Not only that, but he was just so weird. Over exaggerating facial and body movements, looking into the camera like a psycho. Like dude, you’re playing a goofy video game for charity, lighten the fuck up.
@@NationDixon It was in the Twitch chat during the interview following his run, which unfortunately isn't saved. I saw it get deleted by a moderator after a few seconds.
The fact that the run is still in the official leaderboard is simply incomprehensible.
This is the only time I can recal that a CHEATER receives no consequences.
I'm very sorry for the people playing this game, and for having the people that accepted this as moderators.
Karl Jobst is usually the one that introduces me to concepts or things going on with his videos, but for the first time, I actually know about this already! WOOHOO!
Yeah same I caught the end of this run live wild that he cheated.
Making the mother of all speedruns, Jack, cant fret over every second!
Now I see, you deny your controller it's purpose
MY RUN IS FUCKING INVINCIBLE!!!!
Self taught and not half bad, still... your run lacks something....
This is what happens when you bring a video to a speed running contest
Typical commenter
Not funny
Didnt laugh
In my opinion, the pinnacle of what GDQ is about is Keizaron's Crystal run at SGDQ 2019, it was goofy, fun, had lots of involvement, shouted out members of the community and raised a ton of money for charity. Well worth the 3.5 hour watch time.
Literally watched this earlier today.
I can agree. I go back to this run a lot simply because of the events during the run make it so much more enjoyable
GDQ needs a talented runner, a good supportive & funny couch and a crowd on fire. That's what i like about it.
The online event was mostly boring because it was lacking almost all of that.
Absolutely agree, my all time favourite run and one I’ve gone back to, even dragging friends in for a viewing.
Legendary run, I should watch it again.
Dude's such a bad actor. At least act surprised if you beat the world record
Just want to point out the run footage used at 7:17, definitely is one of THE runs to check from GDQ, Solar Ash is a killer game and Bryonato absolutely killed that run!
oh hell yeah love that game, gotta watch that now, ty :D
Game kinda looks like ror2
At this point I don't even care about him cheating. It's that he is so incredibly awkward and brings the vibes down at this awesome charity event.
Dude's a creep.
@@henkdachief No he fucking isn't lol. You're falling for his bullshit.
@@henkdachief bro has 18 comments on the channel defending the cheater
don't think the people receiving the money care dood. it's not a big deal where it happened to me at all
@@henkdachief you do realize we can see your comment history, right?
He scratching his head while pretending to play and then noticing that he just fuqd up and trying to recover from that, was the funniest thing I saw all day.
His speech about his "passion" just sounds like he could be an actual MGR villain
Honestly, it seems like there wouldn’t be any issue if he had said “I’m not great at this category but I put together some of my best segments to display what a crazy world record would look like so I don’t bore everyone”
That's the thing, he already had the world record at it. Wanna showcase the cool stuff, sweet, that's half of GDQ runners anyway. Go slightly slower and showcase the cool tricks.
The problem is saying "I'm not great at this" is completely going against his goal, he was far too invested in having a fast speedrun, likely because he's far too invested in people seeing him as a skilled speedrunner, one of the more common motivators behind cheating in my experience.
Thing is, people paid to see him do a speedrun, not watch an edited video.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino People donated and an incentive was offered. If conditions change (like fatigue or exhaustion), then the alternative should exist.
It's even in GDQ's rules, apparently. The same reason TAS runs exist on the event.
This is what insecurity and ego fragility really looks like. He wasn't satisfied with just being good, but he didn't have the skill to be as impressive as he wanted to be. Ego beats logic and integrity, he throws caution to the winds and cheats his way to -the top- undeserved fraudulent greatness. (Replies informed me he was already the best at the time which makes this even sillier.)
This is what narcissistic personality disorder looks like
The problem is way worse. He literally was the world record holder at the time of the run. He had to show a perfect run to the crowd somehow.
He is one of the best players in the world
@@Benji-jj2bg Honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me if his other runs where falsified or cheated in some way as well. I have 0 faith in this dudes integrity based on his actions. He has made it clear he is in it for the fame and nothing else and people like that area happy to cheat to get to the top even if its not deserved.
@@zannothefox You'd be surprised how often that GENUINELY skilled, high-level players cheat. Frankly you need to have an intimate enough understanding of the game in the first place to make a cheated run appear convincing, and that knowledge alone already puts you in like the top 1%. It's kinda fucked up but that's how it is
I do agree with you - this dude has absolutely proven he cannot be trusted and nothing he says/does/posts should be taken at face value - but unfortunately, he probably still is actually the best player in the world. When he wants to be.
What gets me is that people did not donate 25 grand to watch a recording of a spliced run. They wanted to see the guy do the run in real life.
Waaah waaaaahhh 😭😭😭.. I want my money b b b ba baaack from the charity because he faked his spread rruuun. 🤦♂️
@@michaelnorth2055nobody’s said that. It’s just that it puts into question the integrity of the event, since people watch and donate to see live runs. If it comes out that runs are being faked, that means that less people will watch, and less people will end up donating.
Also like they didn’t even donate that money to see a world record, they just wanted to see a decent run, mostly everyone watching GDQ knows that it’s highly unlikely to see a record be done.,
@@michaelnorth2055point to the words in the comment that said that.
@@michaelnorth2055 people like you make me wonder how we're the smartest species
It's a good thing most cheaters are narcissictic, or it would be way harder to catch them.
They all think they're the smartest person in the room
It's a bummer that he felt so underwhelmed by how he played the full game on the live event. Mistakes are a part of marathons. It's the reason why records are so significant.
i would go even beyond and say the mistakes are what make the runs in live events. because most often than not, the runners end up needing to do alternative strategies to overcome those mistakes.
sure its fun to see a "perfect run", but its even more fun to see someone crash and burn, come out and continue the run full on.
many of the best sgdq moments came from mistakes like that, either due to the runner fumbling, or due to the rng screwing them over.
the fact that someone would take advantage of the fact this event was online AND THEN try to save face with a fake apology is absolutely unacceptable
The absolute worst thing about this is that it damages the idea of online runs during these marathons. I absolutely LOVED that this GDQ did live but some online cause it's the best of both worlds. I want this to keep up because now, runner who can't easily devote that much time, traveling, or money to go live still get a chance to be part of it. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that GDQ staff maybe just gets a little tighter on what's done online, but doesn't stop the idea altogether.
That moment when you’re randomly watching videos about speedrunning, and then SEE YOURSELF within the first five seconds.
His spliced run may have been legitimate, but he's already shown compromised ethics. It's not my community, but it surprises me that they let his run stand. What he displayed was the epitome of bad sportsmanship, and it reflects poorly on the community for letting his run stand. As far as I care, that particular SR community has little legitimacy because of it.
Agreed
it's disgusting.
Why would you remove the legitimate spliced run? If the run is fair then it is fair. Faking at the charity thing is pretty bad and he seems thoroughly disgusting but, the submission of the run later is not delegitimized by his scummy actions or the knot in our gut.
How are you gonna put spliced and legit in the same sentence?
@@Talonde It's a segmented run, which technically fits the category he submitted to.
Imagine doing an entire hour long speedrun legitimately, and then faking a ten minute speedrun
He experiences more stress when having to do an imperfect speedrun than when faking a run.
What is truly disgusting is that this run was a donation goal. It was extra content to thank people for their generosity. Faking this is like directly insulting every donator to the charity by spitting in their face instead of thanking them. This is completely outrageous. If he never intended to actually do this run he shouldn't have proposed it as a donation goal at all. I'm sure several charity organisers would consider refunding part of the money to donators if such a thing happened because they wouldn't want their name associated which such a scam move.
It's so stupid. This was a bonus game. If he had submitted it as a pre-recording upfront, it would have been fine
Except for the fact that people donated to see him play it live
@@ZoltarDeathNnja What difference does it make? People donate to see content, they got content.
@@ZoltarDeathNnja Well, the vast majority of donators really dont care, its for charity and people just throw money at incentives. The small bunch of people that honestly cared, well, sorry for them.
Idk what's with the other comments. The issue was people donated for one thing and got another. In the end it is all for charity so the money itself doesn't matter, but what does matter is the advertising and promises that say that he is performing live. For people who do know the game, they'd probably see it as a given since the DLC is so short especially in a speedrun compared to the main campaign.
If he did submit it as prerecorded initially, I doubt people would care either way as long as they see cool content. TAS content is always submitted. However, he said he was gonna play it live, and he lied.
@@SlyRocko Honestly if it was an incentive of watching a prerecorded, spliced run, I doubt it would be met. People throw money at incentives to watch something interesting,. People watch GDQ to see top performing speedrunners play their game. In neither of those situations would anyone want to watch someone watch their own prerecorded run, spliced or not.
As a casual observer, I think it's a shame that some speedrunners might put pressure on themselves to get everything right at a charity event. What I find really interesting in other hobbies about slightly more low expectation environments where sometimes you'll get people who will attempt risky strategies/moves/shots is that you can sometimes see how it can _not_ work, which in the end actually gives the watcher a better appreciation of the skill than if they only ever see curated or highly focused attempts that always seem successful.
An added element to this phenomenon is how it offers a chance for runners to have to rely on back up strats or having to freestyle something on the spot when things go wrong. Which can actually offer them a chance to show off some niche yet highly skilled techniques, actually resulting into their showcasing becoming MORE impressive BECAUSE of having to deal with an unoptimal situation.
@@baasbennie1412 yep, I think in a way it makes them see more "human" with failures, instead of a living Tas playing a game
Exactly bro
It's why I like watching Tekken high level play. I'm not watching it to learn how to play. I'm watching it as reassurance. While they're not as common as a casual player at any level, the pros make mistakes, and that's okay. Lil Majin drops King Combos. JDCR messes up instant while running attacks. Knee, fucking KNEE flubs korean backdash inputs making him eat a launcher. It's okay to make mistakes, you will never not make mistakes. It's inspiring and reassuring to me.
@@PinkManGuy yep, that's why I enjoy spedruns in GDQ which have mistakes
It's so hard to wrap my head around someone caring more for their own personal achievement than charity that they're willing to cheat people out of their money. Worry about perfection on your own time. Hell, the speedruns at GDQ where NOTHING goes right are almost always the best runs and turn into literal donation generators with everybody ending up having fun.
Some people only care about charity when they’re on the receiving end. Obviously this guy is one of them. Plus, I think it’s a US-based charity and he’s from Russia. Literally not a penny of what was donated could ever help him directly. So he’s only there to show off.
Dude should've took a page out Keizaron's book or anyone that runs a game in the Awful Games Done Quick block. Both of his Animorphs runs were scuffed to hell, but he just had fun with it. There's a reason the catchphrase at these speedrun events are "I've never seen that before". Shit just happens sometimes and you gotta roll with it.
Just check forbes list
@@endymallorn Actually, Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) is a charity created in France, whose goal is to help people all around the world - without borders, as they say in their name.
He's clearly a narcissist, the only thing that matters is self glory, hence the odd 'cryptic' rant at the end. It's textbook stuff. Narcissists will do anything for self aggrandisement and oddly mgs rising revevengence is this guy's source for that. It's really strange but fascinating behaviour. Also: what a dickhead.
The way the speedrunner was "acting" or more like behaving makes him totally unsympathetic.
Imagine faking a world record must be insane
Especially at a charity event.
Especially when you're already the WR Holder...
@@lukebrindax7465 wow, I heard about this a day or 2 after sgdq but I had no idea this "God gamer" was already the record holder to begin with, even more bizarre
@@blemski I didn't know much about this, but when The Great Legend Jobst showed the speedrunning section for the game he was #1 with a run of 7.20.... It's so weird. HE probably would have had an amazing time too.
I wish I could find the section of the video where it showed this. IT was somewhere in the early/mid of the video.
@limeosine no heart rate monitor, FAKE
I don't think GDQ should have removed his recording from their archives. They should have kept it and flashed an overlay "This is a cheater", to make an example of him. By immortalizing his actions you then make sure people in the future give a second thought before cheating. By removing it you just ensure people forget about it and we will see another video from you about it in the future.
This would actually be pretty awesome. But it would probably make the leaderboards messy if entries start to get marked with "cheater". Maybe something like a "hall of infamy" or do they already have that? :D
I feel like this would've been a little bit too much. Criminals get their mugshots shown in the paper if they do crimes like this, but what you're suggesting borders on public humiliation. This video breaks down the events and why it happened, but that's going just a mite too far.
@@Ender41948 i mean, scamming people for $20.000 makes you kind of a criminal tbh
@@Ender41948 If it helps, folks that do this sort of thing don’t feel shame-it’s justified in their mind. If anything, he’d feel resentment over being misunderstood and/or mistreated. If something like this was done to mock him, that’d be one thing. Posting the run with a flag is functional on many levels (a reminder that cheating does happen, that cheaters are audacious, that this particular person has a history and any future claims should be regarded with heightened scrutiny, etc..,) that would provide adequate justification.
Even if this runner was capable of feeling shame, ‘public humiliation’ is well within bounds. Cheaters and liars should be humiliated-particularly when done in this way. He’s not being put in the stocks and made to endure acts of abuse that compound his humiliation. This is simply showing exactly what he did-what he himself felt comfortable and justified presenting to the world and correctly labeling it for what it is. I fail to see how that is “too far” by any stretch.
i dont respect literally any of you people
New category who can make the most convincing world record speed run.
It is very odd that there haven't been consequences, most communities take rapid and sometimes harsh action against any level of cheating so for this to be basically excused sounds like corruption among those in charge
yeah fr. cheating speed runners usually get immediately ostracized and lose the majority of their audience and can never participate in competitions again
LOL.. dude it’s a video game and a charity.. what do you expect, jail time? 🤡
obviously not, like removal from the community, or a ban, or something. What brain dead response for a comment made 10 months ago@@michaelnorth2055
@@michaelnorth2055*Billy Mitchell flashbacks*
@@michaelnorth2055
and what do you expect, nothing? because that is more #:cringyclownemoji:11011!?!? than what the original comment actually suggests.
Making the mother of all speedrun charities, Jack!
Can't fret over every splice!
@aswer huio lmao you copied MrJellyTurtle's comment
Lmao i was thinking the same thing
@@OsnoloVrach You just replied to a bot. One of those "click on my profile for 18+" bot, where they would just copy a comment from somewhere else to try to pass as real human conversation.
The moment you reiterated it was an incentive made me go from "yeah that's a really dick move" to fury. People PAID for that run. Of course the money goes to charity so while it goes to a noble cause that I would hope the majority won't want to get a refund, that's still fucking awful and a let down to those who pooled so much just to see a fucking recording
If you ask for a refund you're worse than this guy
@@playstationarusu Be glad the charity wasn't considered fraud, that's even worse.
@@playstationarusu Not at all. Why do you think that?
@@RanEncounter The bonus run was just an incentive to donate, its not like people bought a run and are entitled to it or their money back. You donate to help a cause, the bonus run is exactly that: a bonus.
@@playstationarusu What? Do you understand that we actually have laws for false adveritsement and especially when it is about donating to charity. You cannot lie about what the money gets you. They have a legitimate complaint. And somehow they would be worse than the actual cheater in your mind is insane.
The fact this guy helped me speedrun MGRR is crazy, it was literally 5 months ago. Hes still widely love across the MGR community as he's in the discord helping people.
The reality is that Meka has done more for speedruns than all speedrun youtubers combined. Even his weird GDQ speech had an impact on the real speedrun community
I'm pretty sure this is the very definition of the term "unclean hands." Whether or not the run is legit in some categories is mostly irrelevant. He was selected for a timeslot and incentive slot for the biggest event in our community (which is an opportunity he effectively insulted the second he began a cheated run), decided to fake the paid incentive, bragged and lied about it, had seemingly no intention of coming clean about it until other people called him out, and continues to think he was in the right. Its absolutely disgusting levels of dishonesty. The spliced run being submitted as a spliced run is fine, but as for the live run what precedent is being set if we're letting somebody make a mockery out of the profession by playing up a faked and cheated show at the biggest event in our trade?
@@HamidKarzai ban him from all speed running forever. Don’t let these guys think they are ever welcomed at anything and put serious consequences then a simple slap on the wrists.
Anything less than full ban from the community is endorsement of this behavior.
If you look at the leaderboards, he has an even more recent run submitted to the DLC "RTA" leaderboards that's one second faster than the *segmented* run. That's hella suspicious IMO.
The Notes section of that run also says:
"Embrace the godless nights that fall upon all of you. You have failed to understand the passion i feel. You deserved it.
CBKTWPVVETFTRCBTSCOTSGAHBVAABSMOSSRCTACMOSGSL"
That just sounds straight-up unhinged lol
@@HamidKarzai Yeah sorry, I realized that a little after I posted that comment and ended up deleting it... Took me a little while to realize what context you were going for. Thanks for explaining it though, because I wasn't entirely sure what you were referring to and then when I tried to Google it there were a million results for some tower defense game lol
"I was playing bad, I'm sorry"
**beats an 11 hour game in less than an hour**
MGRR is 7 hours at most w/o DLC unless you get stuck at the bosses. You can finish the whole game in a day if you binge it on normal.
@@MsDestroyer900 it depends how many codec calls you listen to or optional fights too. 12 hours on Normal is reasonable for a blind playthrough learning the mechanics
Our generation is desensitized to success and highly sensitized to failure. The excuses are a defense and the compliments seem to be making him feel worse about his perceived bad run. Nobody can take a W or a compliment these days. Go tell a Zoomer you appreciate them and theyll either have a mental breakdown trying to live up to your concept of them or dismiss the compliment.
Beating an *8* hour game in sub one hour puts him at the absolute peak of his peers, yet only being number one was able to be satisfying to him. Meanwhile, not making wr time is devastating to him. We need to find our pride as a generation. We are the absolute most sore winners of any generation ive studied. God damn people, take your W's home with you after you earn them. Zoomer Shakespeare probably would have never released a second play after his first one didnt become the number 1 play of all time
@@TheRadiantSoap idk man I'm a zoomer and I take compliments just fine I think everyone else just has a skill issue tbh
@@TheRadiantSoap - It's a reflection of the unhealthy state of mind for this individual. Your perspective seems skewed. I don't believe what you said is true of all, or even most, people born during the specified generation. These traits have existed since the dawn of humankind.
Dude shouldn't return, but this shouldn't discourage anyone to donate to charity. Y'all keep being awesome!
Agreed. Typically, it's the charities themselves that give you plenty of reasons not to donate (so then you need to find a better one). Here's a tip to anyone who wants to donate to a charity -- get as much information about the charity as possible, specifically with regard to how much of the donations goes to actual helping and how much goes to administrative services. I was shocked when I learned that my local call volunteer firefighter association takes about 90% of the donations for administrative services and uses only about 10% of the donations to provide/help the actual firefighter services.
Also, if you're donating via a third party, try to find out if the third party must give your donation to the organization you specify or if they can give it to whomever they want. As an example, Humble Bundle gives its customers' donations to the PayPal Giving Fund and requests that they distribute the funds as specified, but the PayPal Giving Fund is under no obligation to do so; they can distribute the funds to whatever non-profit organization(s) they want.
That "but why?" 12:33 was enough for me tho.
When the other person told them straight that he was cheating then he suddenly go full "i apologize for doing this"
No he wasn't, he was caught that's why he is apologizing.
It feels like as that game's community is so small, they didn't want to lose one of their best runners, that being said they've made this a sure way their community will never grow, and drive away potential new runners. Even just condemning his actions would have been enough in this situation.
Who gives a shit really?
The community not growing is not his problem it's the game's problem.
If a game isn't attractive to run, its not moderation's problem or the runner's problems that stop new people.
Whatever you're trying to say is removed from reality and purely just feeding into outrage. Its not this big of a deal.
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname Why would anybody want to join a community/run a game where they literaly approve segmented runs as legitimate runs?
@@dannyway1111 I'd have to check but based on the wording I think this is a dedicated segmented board not the main one
@@dannyway1111 As Toe & Knee mentioned, the cheater did submit the run to the segmented leaderboard. So the run follows the rules of where it's posted, meaning he hasn't cheated in the community leaderboards.
But you're still right that it shows that the moderators are fine with someone who lied at a charity event, as well as lying about his plans with the segmented run itself.
If he was, "one of the best," he wouldn't need to cheat.
10:17 I love how the close captioning was like "nope, not gonna attempt to decipher that one" during his explanation of what we should call his WR. XD
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Now I'm sincerely hoping someone does a world record at a live GDQ event in front of the audience, then when they announce "ITS A WORLD RECORD" they immediately just wave a hand and go "Nah man it's just segmented, nbd."
because I would laugh really hard.
I think it's happened before, with the runner there in the crowd and everything, it's just pretty rare.
Love your content and fully support sponsorships but lying to young people about how expensive skincare products helped reduce your dark circles and telling them people will notice their dirty skin is not ethical to me
It's always a good day when Karl Jobst releases a new video.
@UCP2Vv9ys1QVtQMemztEBiaQ that was an adventure
It's always a good day when Karl Jobst releases a new video.
It's always a good day when Karl Jobst releases a new video.
For me personally, this story was a real shock.
Because I was in a one russian speedrun community, called RUSC, with Mekarazium from 2017 to 2019. We have commentated together GDQ and ESA events on a russian restreams, he was a really funny and awesome guy, a little bit freaky, but in moderation. Viewers loved him and his sense of humour, moderators of RUSC also liked him, it was no signs of trouble back in those times.
Now I am not a member of this community for a 3 years and I even abandoned speedrunning, but still I cannot believe in this.
How to ruin your reputation in 7 minutes
What I find more deplorable is that the mods refused to do any of your requests. It says to me that they approve of his cheating and support this guy.
Even if it might one person's decision to add it to the leaderboard. It makes the rest of the mod team just as bad as they didnt do anything about it.
I think some of the mods do care, the one he reached out to does seem to understand the situation and understand why he and others are outraged. In my personal opinion, I think the speedrunner may have befriended some of the mods, and they were therefore biased. If the mods were deciding what to do based on votes, they may have been outvoted by mods who were already biased towards him. It's very sad to see, but at least that initial mod he contacted seems very offput by these actions.
This is obviously pure speculation on my part, though.
i don’t see why a spliced run shouldn’t be allowed on the spliced run category. that’s exactly where it belongs. records should be based on the run itself, not the ethics of the person who accomplished it. it seems very silly to pretend a run doesn’t exist just cause a bad person made it.
They have clear rules about what it or isn't allowed. The run didn't break any of those. Going around demanding the mods "condemn" any other deplorable behavior they come across and acting like they're the bad guys for not doing so is just being a prick. It's not their responsibility or job as mods to be condemning every asshole they come across.
@@lohto3
Yes clear rules that allow runs that were used to cheat on their leaderboards
It's not about if it breaks the rules its about the message it sends and to me it says that they approve of cheaters and don't think Meka did anything wrong
Amd by defending this you're telling me you see nothing wrong with Meka or his behavior.
You're either against cheating or not. There is no middle ground.
@@justjulia777
So you approve of the cheating then? Because that's the only reason you'd defend thism