The Biggest Cheater In Rocket League History
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Today we take a look at the biggest cheater in Rocket League history. It's a tale as old as time, but it's the first time to hit Rocket League at this magnitude. Enjoy!
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who knows lol
Only a bloody legend like you is on point on putting a video on New Years Day directly in the Americas (already 12am)!
Many best wishes and blessing to you and your family!!! 🎉
happy new year everyoneeeeeeeee
Thanks you absolute Legend.
happy new year!
This is why I really enjoy the existence of TAS communities. I’m totally cool and really love seeing crazy stuff done, as long as it is directly stated that it is using external tools.
exactly
I feel like in certain games it's super interesting, but in this case it's not really as the thing that makes freestyling cool is the difficulty of it, it doesn't really accomplish anything whereas TAS is used in a lot of games to show theoretical maximums etc
yeah exactly!
i feel like having videos like those around wouldnt even be much of a controversy at all for the community, if he was just upfront about it being tool-assisted to look cooler, cause often inhuman stunts just look incredible to watch. It really is just him claiming he drove it by himself thats the fundemental issue.
The funny thing in this case, is that if what Shimmy submitted these as TASes, it would *still* be cheating because there is no valid sequence of controls that would result in the same replay that Shimmy produced.
These are not called TASes btw but TAFs, which are Tool Assisted Freestyle replays instead of Tool Assisted Speedruns.
The editing and explanations in this video were perfect, happy to help!
Good work fellas!
I’m confused how this is considered cheating. Theres no opponents or competition, he’s just trying to make some cool clips. Its your own fault for being deceived if anything.
@@KiyaWarrior He literally altered the code of the game to make something that isn't humanly possible, possible.
How is it not cheating?
Oh hey, you're that guy from the thing, huh? Cool.
@@KiyaWarrior you must be the only one online that's confused. He literally got his spot on a freestyle team from these faked clips, per the explanation in the video. It is the very definition of cheating.
And they might have been initially deceived, but they figured out that it wasn't legit and exposed it. So I don't see how trying to make them the villains instead of the fraud does anything.
I love how Karl not only investigates cheating, but also spends time in the communities to get a better understanding of how the players are. True professional.
Yeah, without that he would remind me of one of those old-era "attack" youtubers whose only point is to trash people. He exposes the bad behavior, but also gives insight into the game and knows what's happening in the scene.
I love how Karl not only investigates cheating, but also spends timw in the communities to get a better understanding of how the players are. True professional.
yeah adds lots of watch time, like this one is 5 minutes
The real intention of journalism.
Too bad he can't give up saying the N word
Man that's crazy. Lots of work put into that cheating which is almost impressive in itself lmao
Like Karl said, if he put just a little more work into it, it would've likely gone unnoticed
@@KaseyC. True! That's why it's ALMOST impressive lmao. Just a little bit more would've made it much better
you can't succeed if you don't put in the work, no matter how good the idea is.
The crazy thing is, the time it would take to actually hit those clips (compared to his already shown skill level) would have been significantly less than the time he took to fake them most of the time
a pro cheater
I’ve always wanted to see when someone’s confronted about cheating they just immediately say something like ‘alright you got me lol’
maybe they exist but arnt as likely to blow up
In the ygo community, a store got caught reselling opened packs and that was basically their response.
Ian Watkins the ex band member of Lostprophets did that. Except instead of cheating, it was ****ing minors.
@@ytsuxmuhd4998 crazy thing to admit to
@@ytsuxmuhd4998 dont forget the baby stuff 💀
I’m not condoning his actions obviously but it’s impressive as hell how well he was able to modify those replay files. I would have never noticed.
Yeah my thoughts exactly. Def not a lazy cheater lol
You admire a cheater lol what is wrong with you? Cheater too? It's not impressive, it's shitty.
This is what scares me the most about cheating. Technology has been around long enough, people have to be really good at cheating. For every cheater caught, how many are there doing it diligently and not getting caught?
at this point the cheating is sort of an art form of itself
I'm assuming he built some tools in order to facility all this. There's quite few tools out there that use the RL replay format, so there's a lot of information you can use to build your own stuff. Still, I agree, some of these seem quite well made.
I remember casually playing this right when it came out. Took a break for a year or two and when I came back, the average skill level of the competition was so freaking impressive I couldn’t keep up lol.
Imagine how my friends and I felt when we switched from "Super Sonic Acrobatic rocket powered battle cars" (RL 1) to Rocket League years later 😂 was like going from the stone age to the 40th century
You know, if it weren’t for the fact that he was trying to pass the videos off as real, I wouldn’t mind them. Modifying a game and producing visually crazy videos just for the heck of it can be super fun! It’s a shame that it was an attempt to fool the community who puts in the commitment to achieve their own great plays
yep
he was benefiting materially from it, so it's fraud
@@richardhunter132looks sick asf tho no?
Is that not just TAS at that point.
@@myrup1887If it does, but is pure fake (as in shots not physically possible) it doesn't matter.
Then it "doesn't look sick" anymore
What's upsetting about this situation is he actually had something good going for himself and the community. I think if he put out these montages and made it known he had altered the code to produce some cool clips people would've loved to see it.
I had the same exact thought while watching this. I was like "Since it is so easy to alter those replays and whatnot, you could have a whole YT channel just dedicated to manufacturing hello cool matches and montages."
@@tylerb6981 yep, it'd be like tool assisted speedruns / tas, it'd let peopl see the theoretical maximum and amazingness of what can be done - plus, if he *admited* right away that he was doing so instead of faking it, we could see much more harder to execute clips, instead of trying to keep it a human level, it could go ham and make it even more entertaining
its a shame the guy didnt go for that, that'd be cool
Since this overwrites/ignores a lot of the physics constraints I don't think it would be that interesting... but there are ways to be creative, it's just not obvious to me.
Even better, if he'd shared what he learned in the process and his *technique*, people would have built upon it, going in who-knows-what directions, and others would build upon that work, so on and so forth. Someone would make really funny Rocket League matches. Someone would recreate real World Cup matches in Rocket League. Someone would create artistically choreographed matches. Someone would write software to make it easier to create these specially crafted matches. We'd have Rocket League machinema. And eventually, of course, someone would recreate Minecraft in Rocket League.
@@QuantumConundrum I would disagree, I think it would have the potential to be an amazing channel and further down the line a tool for people that wants to theory craft and practice.
Sure some people would scuff at it, but he had been honest about what videos was "tool assisted" then I think people who would want to get sweaty, would have flocked to him.
When I watched the video, I thought "well that's quite obvious, how did he cover that up for almost a year?" Then I realise it's just Karl doing a superb job in explaining things clearly.
The 14 reset one looked wrong due to the pace of the bounces to me, but I might not have seen that if it weren't in a video about cheating at freestyling.
But like Karl says, RUclips comments and speculation isn't proof. Many legit speedruns look cheated to me, but that's because I do not have the skill to play a game to that level. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
@@hariman7727 There are actual players who look just as good
@@clearspira You are the first person I've seen to actually admit that while some runs ook cheated you might not know everything about the game they're playing. As a result you don't hate in their comments section like the other hundreds of thousands.
Don't even need that to question it in this case, though? A guy going from very good but mid as far as competitive stuff cares to hanging with the best of the best literally overnight is so blatant that if that flag was any redder it would have a hammer and sickle on it.
It's amazing how well Karl keeps tabs on every speedrunning or challenge community and relays the information in such a compact and easy to understand way.
Happy New Year Karl!
Karl is the Walter Cronkite of Speedrunning. If something interesting happens in the world of Speedrunning they will tell everything about it to Karl. I'm not trying to downplay Karl's work I'm on pointing out he'll get scoop before other channels because they find Karl instead of Karl trying to find them.
@@Wallyworld30 That's just how things work. Ain't nothing wrong about it either.
I'm not even into speedrunning, but I enjoy Karl's videos because his presentation style and thoroughness are worth watching.
I've never speedrun anything and dont really even play videogames but still always these videos Karl makes. Always top notch quality and explanations so a non gaming dummy like me understands whats going on
This isn’t even a speedrunning or challenge community tbh, so it’s even weirder and more impressive.
Freestyling in rocket league is straight up about pushing the envelope while being stylish as fuck. It’s such a cool microcosm of the game.
Cheating is obviously sooooo against the spirit of freestyling, even though it’s not an inherently competitive way of playing. It’s about being sick and doing sick shit, with real skill.
I'd be terrified of cheating in any game now a days for fear Karl makes a banger of a video out of me.
I'm eager to cheat in any game nowadays for joy Karl makes a banger video out of me.
there are two types of person
The duality of man.
Your basically admitting you're a cheater.
I would make a new hit game under an alias, cheat a speed run using my real name, then manufacture a scandal around it in hopes Karl makes a banger video out of me
Okay the guy is a cheater but on 7:37 the amount of time for making food...
Mate when I tell you I make myself some food lets say, roasted potatoes plus some prepared meatballs from the supermarket. That is gonna take around an hour of relaxed cooking plus 30-45 min at least to eat and then another 15-30 min me just relaxing after the food. And that is a very straight forward easy to make meal.
If then somebody asked for some replay from me that is not gonna be on my "important" list and I might not even get on that, that day.
Just as a general rule never overread such things.
Rocket Sledge is such an underrated creator. Really happy you shouted him out :)
❤
eh he is an ok creator
@@Rocket_Sledge real.
NGL I thought Karl might have been late covering this story. Instead, he produces an absolutely insane detective story detailing all the actual events of the story. Well done Dr. Jobst.
Anyone above diamond is a cheater. The rank system Is just cheat protection. It's obvious to spot a cheater in rocket league. The cheat "bakkes mod" boosts the car at the ball and aims the front of the car at the ball automatically.
Mosf of the clips featured at the start of this video are cheaters.
Honestly, like with any journalism you have you weight being the "First" to break a story or cover one. And taking the time to gather all the info. So it might have been a little behind the trend but that also means he would have time to gather info that was discovered after the other people who talked about it. I rather like that like.
@Don't Read Profile Photo who are you?
@@TheLastSane1 Exactly. He was the ONLY person to cover te Dream incident with full coverage and actually not jump on one wagon or the other. It's really sad how people do 30 minutes of research and put out a response video as if they even know what they're talking about xD
@@TheLastSane1 at least the story was covered to another community, most of the rocket league community already know about the story because of sunlesskhan’s video (he’s a rocket league youtuber) so it’s a good thing the speedrun community know about another bad actor
I love that subtle jab at Billy Mitchell where you don't even have to name him and we all know what you're talking about.
The thing with Shimmy is lots of people could easily tell his freestyles were fake, especially him finding random power from weak shots
There is NO WAY you just dropped a Rocket League video. Holy shit what a start to the new year!
Yeehaww
Nice one!
*SOYJAK* NO WAY!!!!
Hell yeah. Happy New Year.
U fookin legend
fook yea!!!
No U!
Fook!!!
Absolute Fuggin Leaugendee!
@@ararepotato1420yes
Its truly impressive when you can clearly see the love,and thoroughness put into these videos! Its so well done, it will capture an audience that doesn't even know anything about the game initially, and conclude with a solid understanding of the topic. Very well done!!! I look forward to your continued success!
Dang, 2023 isn't even an hour old and we already have a cheating scandal vid from the absolute legend Karl Jobst
I love when people come up with definitive methods of testing for cheating that have very little to do with the game
Like already having a replay and then asking for it again later when the person is under scrutiny and would be likely to alter it, clever.
I'm always amazed at how invested these videos make me in games I've never played. Looking forward to watching you contine to be a legend in 2023, Karl!
Taku and NYTROUS really pullin out the galaxy brain with the way they got undeniable proof on him. Good stuff.
So cool to see you cover this rocket league incident and im really impressed that you actually took the time to learn all the rocket league terms correctly. Even pro players constantly get terms wrong when it comes to freestyling and they dont really care to learn. But you really did it well!
6:53 when you pin people calling you out on your BS 💀
Well done to all those who called him out and those who not just called him out but actually put a report together and showed their evidence.
Need a lot more people like this in games and putting the cheaters to rights.
5:35 "But then, in December of 2021, Shimmy became possessed." By the ghost of Todd Rogers, apparently!
I appreciate all of the work you put into the presentation of these videos. I've never played, or have little experience with some of the games you cover, but I can still follow along perfectly well because of the way you present and explain the information. It's both informative and entertaining, and I appreciate it very much.
Im shocked by this. I've played this game for years, and I understand TAS exists, but as a console player I could never fathom how someone would cheat in Rocket League of all games.
Love your content, and this is exactly why!
Ugh. He wasn't even cheating, just enhancing videos! If he had elaborated when Redshyft approached him, this would've been a series of cool videos, basically Machinimas of what you could do in Rocket League. Maybe even release tutorials on the game's code.
But, no. He had to claim it was solely skill. Such a shame.
Mods: there’s hundreds of clips with a 99.9% chance you’re cheating
Shimmy: I’ve never cheated in my life.
Mods: there’s 1 clip with a 100% chance you’re cheating
Shimmy: Aww ya got me D:
Thank you for covering this, and to those who helped with the video! Being part of the RL community, it's exciting to see our community in the spotlight!
This reminds me a lot of the time Trackmania players found dozens of high-level players were cheating and created their own 'Competitive Patch' to verify replays. Gotta' love the dedication of gamers.
i love how the "most replayed" bit of most youtube videos is the end of the in built ad... people should probably be taking note of that
Im really surprised and happy you covered this rl drama as i never thought it would catch major attention
In that case have a little bonus slice; in CS GO there was a coach that got "caught" using an exploit to ghost, after valve refused to fix the exploit, the coach instructed his team to use it, they all lie and pleaded ignorance and what is worse is that loads of pro teams actively cheat using the ghost exploit, i would cry but am laughing too hard
I became a gamer rather later in life and the game which got me there is Rocket League. It's the only game I play. With that context, I've been watching your channel for two years and love the content even though I've never seen, let alone played, the genres you cover.
Seeing you cover the game I love was a joy. Great work.
I really wish these guys who cheat like this would put their effort into revealing the cheat, showing off how it works and how to detect it, and then edit some really awesome shit together to show peak tool assist level play. People will still watch, like, and subscribe for that type of video, and you'll still be a loved part of the community, honored even, for bringing that to light before someone does it. Being "God tier" is one thing, but contributing to something as useful as anti-cheat and then going on to make God tier tool assistee videos is, in my personal opinion, much better and safer for your career.
The best way to eliminate this issue is (from the developer's side) make the replay files and other critical data encrypted and/or digitally signed.
Karl you never stop surprising us with your critic content of the same topic but with broad and big variety of game genres, props for your investigations, best of lucks.
Inhumane freestyle skills?
Not inhuman?
Is he a war criminal or something?
Should we tell the neighborhood watch?
Thank you for the like Karl.
There should be a category in every community that goes on for a random month each year, that challenges the best of each community to make their best cheated runs and submit them undercover to test and strengthen the community's eyes for cheaters, some of the mods will be in on it and at the end of the month all the cheated runs unnoticed will be revealed and given a small summary of what the runner did to do it
The mods that spot the fakes, the community members that spot the fakes, and the runners that successfully fool the community or discover a new cheat method before its use could even win some money
I beleive that the reason that rocket leauge is popular is the same as fotboll(soccer). A simple game with alot of depth in which you have teams competing with each other were you can root for teams and individuals.
great video. I hadn't heard of this guy but honestly watching these clips it's amazing to me that no one was initially suspicious before he joined a team. I mean he barely touches the ball and gets max speed, or the ball lags and looks broken in half his clips. still a really interesting story
Happy new years, always great to see a video from a creator you love on a game you love
Karl doing a Rocket League video, now I can die happy. Fantastic video, amazing descriptions, and you can tell research was done about the community. Well done Karl!
Awesome to see videos on games not typically covered here. Keep branching out man, love the content!
7:55 And nobody noticed that the ball hits the net from an impossible angle after bouncing off his vehicle? From the angle it appears to bounce at, it would have to change directions midair to hit the goal.
Different from other cheaters this dude was kinda smart when covering it up
What a great way to explain rocket leagues mechanics and high end gameplay so simply. Looking forward to the Karl jobst freestyle montage. 👍
It's euch a shame too. Shimmy clearly had a talent for making freestyle TASes
If he just labeled them as TAS freestyles (and not resorting to editing replay files in a way that can't happen with the physics) in the upload, the community would probably still appreciate their their work.
Rocket League the unhackable game that solved hacking by doing nothing. Living proof that less is more and zero is the most...
I just applaud people for all the passion being able to play even through videos where the idea is to catch a cheater.
I can say with the upmost certainty from a player in the RL FS community this was the most entertaining and mind blowing video I have seen in years to do with RL. Purely due to how accurate the video is not to mention so many friends of mine being shown in the video as well... just awesome to see. You sir, are an absolute LEGEND :D
hey
hi
@@popnop1 hey
@@crristt hi
This is a case of someone cheating in a sprint and we find out they grew an extra leg to win. Changing the game code to cheat is nutty.
What saddens me the most in cases like these, is that if the guy was straight about his methods and didn't try to sell himself as a pro tier player, he would have been an accepted and appreciated member of the community, his knowledge about the game's code and editing seemed above many other's, so he could have been of great help in optimising and (ironically) aiding in spotting cheating attempts.
Well, dear programmer, i'm sure the speedrun community likes your fakes, as they now have even more to keep an eye on!
Too bad you did it without telling them, so they had to catch and punish you.
Maybe some new rules like "show your replays" will be added, and cheaters will fall harder and more often than ever.
Thanks to Karl for such amazing video once again, as you really are clear and more in details than just "this and that happened".
"Too bad you did it without telling them, so they had to catch and punish you."
Content for everyone :)
Happy new year Karl, I've always loved your content and hope to see more of it in the new year :D
LOL I love your narration for how hilarious you can make this stuff sound. "SHIMMY...had become a GOD." xDDD
I think there IS a place for this sort of stuff, as a tool-assisted expression of what could be done... sort of... artistic in a way. Because those replays are amazingly beautiful.
But never to actually gain merit in places where practice and skills are meant to be measured.
Thre are TAS categories in speedruns for a reason.
At 2:22 I think you mean inhuman rather than inhumane. But both could work I suppose.
I am a computer researcher that works with machine learning I could write an ANN that watches a speed run video and looks for fakes I would need a ton of data for learning lots of real and fake speed runs. Another problem with it is that a lot of the stuff speed runners do can look like it was faked so it could be used to point someone at something suspicious while taking human bias out of the equation, but it would still need to be human verified to be real or fake.
Why I play RL basically daily for more than 6 years now: *Untouchable skill ceiling & no cheaters at all.*
The only competitive 3D online game I know that has both. What a time to be alive.
Amazing video Karl! 🏆💯
Hope you are doing great Karl, Happy New Year ✨
1:09 omg im in a karl jobst video :D
Yooo
0:25 No, what makes RL really unique and the best competitive game ever created is the absolute equal gameplay.
No other games (or really few which i don't even know of) can literally put in your hands what pros have in the exact day you start the game
There are some games like that. What I'd argue makes it really unique is that the players developed the meta, not the developers. In other games the developers buff and nerf things to balance the game and have expectations of what things will happen.
In Rocket League, all mechanics were created by players. Developers originally didn't even imagine anyone doing even air dribbles. And despite that, there is so much variance and skill required at the top level.
Shimmy just asked himself “How do I channel the brilliance of Milly Bitchell? Just cheat!”
Love the content Karl! Keep up the good work and happy new year!
So, this is what Shimmy has been doing while he has been trapped in the Earwolf studios.
This is why scientists are increasingly suspicious of studies that say "data available upon request." Often, there is no data
7:35
Imma be honest, I often just forget about Discord for a couple hours after saying I was bout to cook or even be back in 30
7:30 that's totally reasonable depending on the dish, especially if you're a slow eater. Obviously it was just an excuse, but it was at least a reasonable amount of time for like, a chicken pasta and relaxed lunch.
"the skill ceiling is pretty high"
as a loooong time rocket league watcher, and with also 1200 hours in the gam, I can definitely say I'm 99% sure this game is just so perfect that there IS NO skill ceiling. the physics engine is so well perfected that I think people will always be finding new shit and we'll never get to a point where we feel progress isn't possible.
14:45 "I hope you having a fantastic day"
I never thought I'd see the day when Karl Jobst would do a video on rocket league due to the near impossibility to cheat or speed run anything in particular, and yet here we are. Love the content as always. Huge fan, and now you got a video on my favorite game
His apology is probably one of the better apologies I’ve seen online, I’ll give him that. At least he takes accountability
“They/them”? Stop that
No
Why?
@@TheDepressedChemistBecause it's enabling silliness.
If I told you to call me a dog, you shouldn't lol.
Rule number one. Question e everything on the net! Faking is Everywhere. Glad they caught him.
What's weird is how he joined a team. Like imagine his team saw him play and went "huh, he's not playing like he does in the videos"
Tbh its quite sad. He is really a skilled programmer genius to have fooled the community for so long , yet he didnt use it for the right reasons.
That's cheaters for you. It's pathetic to cheat at anything. If you're not skilled enough either give up, or train more.
When I first saw the title I almost didn’t even take it seriously because 1. I figured you can’t cheat in rocket league and 2. Why would you when the gun comes from hitting your favorite mechanics because you learned how not because you cheated… how empty must that have felt.
moral of the story - shimmy is a smart person
What's insane now is that there's people that do these kind of shots in RLCS LAN events
i'm impressed he didn't give the usual "ok that was fake but everything else is legit. swear."
I just wanted to say that this comment means nothing
Really good and unique editing to make it look the way he did wow
Stuff like this is so old a guy did it with Donkey Kong to break the record decades ago.
I'm pretty sure Taku is a boy
I’m pretty sure nobody asked.
HE
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This is exactly what happened to McCreamy except McCreamy didn't hide the fact that his montages were edited.
This is why I like the speedrunning community. They have an entire section dedicated to TAS antics and its really awesome, I'm all for it, but sometimes knobs such as this try to pull a fast one.
Unless Taku is a collective of people, use singular pronouns. It's so confusing to listen to and bad grammar.
I remember my nephew being absolutely obsessed with this game and I never knew why
As a professional chef it’s hilarious you think only a 4 course meal would take an hour and a half .
The GTA V pause music in the background is a great touch, such a classic soundtrack
This was also covered by Sunless Khan. I love that this got so much attention.
I've never played rocket league because I know I would suck at it but this is crazy!
Dude I have collectively close to 400 hours in this game through PlayStation and PC, and I am in slack jawed awe at these skills, real or no. It makes me want to give up lol.
The part I find hilarious is that Shimmy could’ve covered up that fast flashing Boost quite easily with a bit of masking in a video editor. The meter doesn’t move so it would be relatively simple to overlay the correct speed flashing meter over the sped up footage on the timeline.