The Biggest CHEATER in Pokemon History was Finally Caught
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A couple things I need to correct:
1. I said that Jadiwi was streaming Sapphire, this actually isn't correct as he never streamed Sapphire, the 1:56:55 was the only footage that he ever uploaded of him playing the game, and wasn't done live.
2. The odds of getting past the rival fight and no encounter route 1 aren't 5%, that operation should have been .02 x .03, not added like I did. Further, while it is a 2% chance to get 0 encounters, the chance of getting a 5 turn rival fight aren't actually 3% as I mentioned, that's if you get five tackles, but the fight can arrive at a 5 turn death other ways or even be faster. If tail whip happens early and lowers your defense you can still die in 5 turns, and a late tail whip can cause a 5 turn death if one of its tackles crits, on top of this if you get a Charmander with certain stats there can even be a 4 turn death if Squirtle does tail whip and three tackles. So, while I did get the probability math wrong there are a lot of edge cases that can get you to a 5 or even 4 turn death
3. At 28:07 I presented the odds incorrectly for a 1 in 800 chance, it should have been 0.00125 without the % or 0.125%, what I showed on screen is a 1 in 80,000 chance.
4. The year in the date of the timeline is incorrect, it should read 2023 not 2024, as that implies the runs were done in the future; all dates are correct except for the year.
5. The model of TI calculator that will run Red are the TI-84 Plus CE and TI-83 Premium CE, which use a processor from 2007, not 1974 as the base model and Plus SE models do which I said in the video, still old hardware, but not quite as old as 1974.
Thanks to everyone that pointed these out.
About the Flashcart Splice
Jadiwi stated he did the run on a flashcart which has faster loads than a DS, but his loads are about the same as the DS, which leaves a few possibilities:
- He accounted for this when splicing (what I presented in the video)
- He did save sections on a DS then spliced them onto a flash cart
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Yeah, please do yourself a favor and don't. Both-sides-ism never helped anyone, ever.
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It’s so funny how every speedrunning cheat immediately folds when properly confronted and then writes a statement that’s a weird mix between apology and villain monologue
Notably, ONLY folds on the stuff they KNOW they've been caught with, leaving the other cheated runs unmentioned.
I choke up the latter to ego, I mean. Billy Mitchell is just like them
Don't forget the Dr. Doofenshmirtz-esque overly tragic childhood backstory for why they did it.
@@RadikAliceYou choke the chicken on a ladder? Sounds dangerous and fun!
@@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivyXDDDDDDD INDEED
"I don't cheat"
"You're banned."
"GOOD JOB CATCHING MY CHEATED RUNS FOOLS!"
Honestly faking runs sounds thrilling as hell.
loooooool
@@chestnut4860it makes it feel like death note where L suspects the main character and is constantly trying to find evidence
@@falscakesrighteyebol1332
Death Note but instead of killing people, Light just cheats speedruns
@@chestnut4860 that sounds really.... lame.
"You wouldn't understand, Batman."
- Every cheating speedrunner in their apology letter
Back when I was young if we found out someone cheated in a game we would bully the crap out of him. Not let him play with us again and remind everyone that he's a cheater every chance I get. The world's just changed and we accept them now
@@RekySai no we don't accept them, I don't know what you're talking about
Remember Meka's (Mekarasium or something) "apology" after cheating in GDQ? Straight up thought he was The Joker like dude you cheated a run don't lie to yourself you did it for the fame. Otherwise why would he submit it as a segmented record? You're not cool for lying to thousands of people during a charity event.
There was that "T O T" dude who cheated Mario 64 speedruns who had a sincere apology. But yeah, many are hollow.
@@RekySaiNo, it's just that behaving like children and applying playground logic is ridiculous. You need to grow up.
i love these videos because who in their right mind would look at how an npc turns their head and think "yeah, this guy is cheating"
These guys do the same thing over and over thousands of times. Anything that doesn't conform to what theyve seen thousands of times sticks out like a sore thumb. Its not evidence but it opens the door to scrutiny.
if you leave your house 10 times, and see a tree to your left 9 times, clearly somethings wrong
if npcs act out, somethings wrong lol
@@professoryorick5676 Imagine you walk outside one day and realize that the tree to the left in your yard is suddenly on the right lmao
Autism
RIGHT???
Moral of the story: Don't try to fool speed runners. They probably know more about the game than the devs
Correction, they know less or at the most the same info as dev. What is brilliant is what they can extrapolate from this data
@@jeanremi8384depends. Arguably sm64 TAS runners knows more about sm64 than the programmers at this point.
@@jeanremi8384 arguably they know more due to unintended glitches and exploits
@@Marcomanexists that's what they extrapolate. They know about the code, but what is impressive is what they do with that knowledge
@@jeanremi8384 If I remember the game correctly subnautica is a game with so many hidden easter eggs that the devs use the community as a resource for finding & maintaining them.
Its worth noting that the devs know more about the source code since they have developer comments & its not compiled for them, but even that changes when a games source code gets leaked kinda like GTA V & TF2.
Trying to start by cheating Pokémon speedruns is like having Fort Knox be your first bank heist.
Go big or go home.
Pokemon, Minecraft, GoldenEye, SM64, and Yugioh Forbidden memories speedrunning communities don't fuck around.
"Luck is not a crime"
We heard something similar from Dream too.
that's a cubing phrase too
It's hilarious, because luck isn't a crime, but consistent luck is at best suspicious
Dream was unaware of his cheating though. I think that's very different
Yup
@@Anzuolol he wasn't
His reasoning for cheating is so wildly... juvenile. He is running extremely popular speedgames. Not getting record is expected. If you need to get record to feel your time spent speedrunning is worth it you shouldnt be speedrunning at all let alone running games and categories that have been so heavily optimised. The level of gloating is also pretty gross. I hope he grows up a bit after this.
Well, at some point in the video we can see some messages he sent in French, and being French myself I can of course understand all of it, and I can assure you, he speaks/writes like a huge immature and arrogant brat.
The day he grows up is the day we achieve world peace
It's crazy too cause I've run games for fun here and there and it's just kinda a fun personal challenge. Obviously I fell FAR from WR but it was great to see my improvement over a few tries
He probably coudlnt handle being good at the games but also not good enough at the same time 😂
@@CesarACastillothe day we all grow up is the day we achieve world peace
Something important missed: He was the *only* runner to ask about the bounties.
Yep, Good point.
Reminds me of that one part about Peter Ronai in Plagiarism Historian's Costa Concordia video; where, if I remember correctly, a scam artist had asked how much money a case against the cruise company would be worth seemingly _right out of the gate._
While asking about the bounties does mean he cares about them I do wonder if he cared because he said he'd give money to other people. It doesn't excuse the cheating or anything at all really and it's probably just me having too much faith in humanity but it did make me wonder.
He didn't miss it, well I guess he didn't say the only one.
@@G-Cole-01 DAAAAAAMN, you got me with the Plagiarism Historian's comment, busted out laughing!
The "I was just getting unlucky and got impatient" excuse would have SLIGHTLY worked if his runs didn't prove he can't perform any of the manips or skips to save his life...
Right? He’s probably just lying again and there’s no way doing all that editing work was an easy task
And also if that same dilemma didn't apply to the top 50 runners in any popular game lol. "Being unlucky and grinding: the hobby" is literally what speed running is
@@blumpkinglinde Also editing that much means he has less time for runs in the first place which to me suggests he played a handful of runs and then spend the rest of his time editing
Maybe only the getting unlucky part was a lie, he prob did get impatient for being not good and not improving fast enough
I don't think that works at all as an excuse, because the whole point of doing this stuff involves being unlucky and patient
Jadiwi is french, and to add some comments, he even has been interviewed in a RUclips video by the biggest french poketuber Fildrong (Fildrong makes Pokemon strategy content videos and nuzlock Let's play streams). The video is not available anymore, but it was a short video, something like 10min about his records, and how he got the world record that fast etc... So he was known by a very big part of the french pokemon community on RUclips. We were very disappointed when Fildrong did a video 3 weeks ago entitled "He was a cheater.", to tell us that he was a cheater.
I wonder how must feel to have the title of largest French poketuber
Bring out the national razor!
Le nom de sa chaîne 💀💀 à 15:49
@@mamamiaparmigianno8116tkt j’ai vu💀
As a casual pokemon player almost all of this was crazy to me how they analyzed this guy down to the finest detail. I had no idea that different seeds could produce such wildly different results or events. Honestly I thought the games were all pretty flat planed and not this complex, but it’s fun to learn something new every day 😜👍
Competitive pokemon and pokemon speedruns blow my mind
Why would you assume that when there's so many variables?
These comments are depressing. Yikes humanity. Read a book.
Why exactly did he think he’d get away with pretending to master the speedrun for every single pokemon game in existence at the exact same time.. ?
fr lol bro coulda got away with it if he had stuck to one or two categories
To make it brief, It's an issue with his personality/behavior.
Why do criminals think they can get away when committing crimes for their own benefit?
@@shExilium because lots of them are sensible about it. Did you think before you posted?
@@shExilium because very few are caught...
Not only that but in an insane short amount of time. Like the top ones grind for decades and he not only gets lucky and beats one but multiple in a month
insane that one of his stream archives is titled "The stars are aligning in an incredible way, aren't they? Its suspicious even." thats so cocky
He definitely thought he was smarter then he was. In the end he's just a pathetic loser.
God I bet this guy is unbearable
@@randomname285no wonder he gets bullied. Good riddance
All I see is a child crying out for attention.
Braggadocio
I've never heard anyone say "manip" before, and now I've heard someone say it about 900 times.
manips have never been harder is what I took away from it all.
I thought it was some super technical term in speed running...I'm still not sure tbh and too lazy to find out 😂
@@Sullytaan You can't figure out "manipulations" from "manips"? JFC. Slow children in the comments.
@encycl07pedia- are you really here on a speed running video unorincally calling someone a child, for not knowing your made up abbreviation for it 😂
@@Sullytaan I'm not a speedrunner. I just like karmic justice. I didn't make it up. "Manips" is one of the easiest things to figure out, kid. How many words start with "manip"?
bro said “do me a favor…” and dude literally dipped
I found that hilarious 😂 at 14:28, like dude had no shame
I swear if speedrunners dedicated their life into finding out the cure for cancer they would've done so and created manip strats.
Nah, they cannot, what makes you think those speed runners are smarter than doctors?
@@randomyoutubeguy959 bruh
What makes you think intelligence has anything to do with being a doctor? But that speaks for your own narrow mindset. ;)@@randomyoutubeguy959
@@randomyoutubeguy959can doctors do Wingull manip? Yeah, i dont think so.
@@randomyoutubeguy959lmao most doctors aren’t even smart. It’s just rote memorization, which is exactly what speedrunners do.
i dont get why ppl are this impatient. we have ppl that SLOWLY cheated over years, literally spending years uploading cheated runs that are all nothing special and then OVER MONTHS improving by a few seconds.
then comes this guy who basically goes from "hi im new" to "hey worldrecord" in a few months
I like Karl Jobst's idea on it.
"You don't cheat to get a good time. You cheat to get a good time faster."
Most of these guys are good enough to get the desired results and have put in a large amount of dedication.
The time difference depends on how people respond to the desire to speed up or guarantee results weighed with how they feel about getting caught and with any guilt they feel.
Add the promise of money with or without a time limit and watch that struggle skew to the side of impatience real fast.
@@iamaunicorn1232They're talking about people who put zero thought into their cheating and perform incredible feats of improvement over statistically impossible periods of time. It's not really about the "Why did they do it?" but rather "Why did they think getting 10 PBs followed by a WR in less than a week when they've only been speedrunning for less than a year wasn't going to get them caught?"
Besides, in this case it's pretty clear the cheater didn't actually have the knowledge or skill to get these times, with all the obviously beginner level mistakes they made even in their "world record" level runs.
because the one bounty he wanted to cash had a time limit to it, is what my guess is.
the real speedrun was his cheating career
Because he's like 12 and a week is a long time for him.
Fun thing to note: "Getting lucky isn't a crime" is a quote from Erik Akkersdijk after he broke the Rubik's Cube world record single, setting it to 7.08
This Jadiwi fella is into cubing enough to have heard that phrase before, hopefully he doesn't try to cheat a bunch at speedcubing but we'll see 😅
What's kinda scary is that if a cheater had combined knowledge of things (i.e how this guy knew how to make the splices undetectable), along with patience, brains and ofc skill it seems like they could very well make near-perfect cheated WR runs
Yeah there’s a nonzero chance that this has happened, and even continues to happen. Food for thought.
Thats why I like playing with webcam. People shitting on me and saying capture card runs are the "way to go" are stupid. It looks like a robot is playing that shit, I'd much rather see a low quality film of a guy running a game with hands.@@DWOLF777
But you could never do it while running live, could you? So that limits the risk quite a bit.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iuLive runs usually go worse, so so long as they CAN pull stuff off even a bit, it'd be believable
Yep he was caught primarily because he did too many crazy good runs too quick. He has the skill and knowledge of splicing just not the patience
There's a mistake with the timeline I put together, the year is "2024" when every year should be "2023", thanks to David Wonn for pointing this out.
David Wonn is a legend that transcends all legends.
also the 5% cumulative odds for the Squirtle KO + no grass is incorrect, a 2% chance of success after a 3% chance of success does not become a 5% chance of success. I think it's supposed to be .06%?
Spliced timeline from the future! LOL
Also 1/800 is 0.00125, or 0.125%, not 0.00125%
I know you have sponsor obligations but honestly this should _really_ be pinned or added to the top of the pinned comment.
Someone needs to create the "Billy Mitchell Award for Excellence in Being a Cheating Douchebag" so we can give it to Jadiwi. The only accolade Jadiwi actually deserves, as far as I know!
*"That's right, we're gonna cheat."*
Would you let me make a video using that as an actual thing?
We could make this happen. "That guy is a Mitchell" or something like that lol
BMAEBCD
I just call it Icarus Syndrome. It’s not enough to fly. It’s not enough to achieve space flight. No, you have to aim you and your wax wings straight at the sun and don’t stop until you burn up.
i just realize, imagine if he's speed cubing venture would be literally open the rubics cube solver, then slowly turning the rubics cube until it's solved to then speed up the whole process making it looked like he is skilled in speedcubing
As someone completely outside of the community, I had no idea that people knew the games this well. A lot of these explanations of tactics used in the game are extremely interesting. Thanks for the video!
Scary that is impossible to detect a spliced run with modern software and scary how much effort just goes in uncovering one cheater.
If you're cheating and it's suspect chances are your runs are going to get statistically analyzed.
Luckily speedrunning anything popular requires a ton of specialized technical knowledge. Genuine runners are the best equipped people to catch a cheater.
I think there have probably been actual criminal investigations with less effort and scrutiny than this, honestly
@@TheOobo genuinely skilled players are also really prone to cheating, normally the best cheaters are players who are really good at the game but get sick of dealing with rng and don't want to grind the game..
@@TrackpadProductions no need to think bro shit has definitely happened 😅
im convinced the speedrunning mods could unmask jack the ripper if given enough time
Just need to check the RNG seeds of the murder dates
speedruning "solving the black dahlia murder" glitchless 100%
Well, the runners are experts in the field, so we'd need to find top-tier serial-killer speedrunners to check Mr. Rippers work.
These guys sure have a lot of time, to crunch all these numbers like that.
Authorities already figured out Jack the Ripper, but I get the sentiment :D
Holy cow. Don't mess with detective speedrunners. My word that's insane the amount of tools and sleuthing they did to find the answer. I am absolutely baffled and impressed.
That was crazy figuring out the RNG he had did not include his actual run making it impossible. Like to anyone it was obvious he was cheating, breaking so many unrelated WRs in weeks but actually proving it was cool to see
It's something you'll see in any sort of hobby, especially ones with a competitive angle. If you know how to use a screwdriver, you'll understand something's a bit odd when you see someone using one like a hammer. At least one of the tools mentioned in the vid was something dedicated shiny hunters and runners in RNG manip categories use, for example.
But I've never had to worry about calling BS on someone else's 3D prints and drone designs, so I guess it's not totally universal.
Great video! As a heads up, the TI-84 CPU is very, very similar to the one used in the Game Boy and uses some insane optimization techniques - the guy behind it is very smart. It is written in pure assembly too. Which is why such old hardware can run a Game Boy at native speeds (usually). But yes, the Game Boy is indeed not CPU intensive at all for modern processors.
“A PC that’s older than he is” is a wild burn.
insulting someone for being young is not adult behaviour
@@anonymous38741 neither is cheating for bounties in a competition.
Really isn’t a burn
@@unkown981 sure kid 😂
@@MultiAnikan I am not even a kid but even so how is calling someone young even a burn smh
"I didn't do it for the bounty but I would have kept half the money for my parents" absolute brainrot
Yeah I don't get why the youtubers making these videos don't call that kind of thing out more. Giving half the money to his parents is essentially keeping it for himself and should be directly called out as such
@@343Filmsit’s because it’s obvious. And not in good taste. These kinda of videos are honestly in good fun. Video games don’t matter, that’s more of a personal attack
@@subyouwont I'd argue attempting to steal thousands of dollars is beyond "ViDeO gAmEs DoN't MaTtEr" 🤡
@@subyouwont I'd argue attempting to steal thousands of dollars is beyond "ViDeO gAmEs DoN't MaTtEr"
@subyouwont It matters when there's money involved.
What’s crazy tbh is that his greediness is really shown and he was in it for the money. Here’s all these WR’s in insanely short time with tons of money on the line. Had he gotten 1 or 2 of the times or just the 1 for the most amount of money, with respective attempts and taken his time he most likely wouldn’t have gotten caught and would’ve at least netted 1 if not 2 big cash prizes. Instead he tried to get as many as possible in just unrealistic time. The luck and skill is obviously above human level tbh. Congrats to the mods insane determination, hard work, perseverance, and patience.
I personally have very little interest in speedrunning itself but I absolutely love videos about speedrunning cheats being caught. The scrutiny and investigations are always fascinating to me, plus I end up learning loads about game mechanics also.
As a casual Pokémon player I had no idea how those spinning trainers worked.
"my computer sucks" is the most sus excuse you could bust out
My dad got his friend to install a Gameboy emulator on our windows 98 PC, I remember playing pokemon Red on it when I was 8.
@@TheBongoman47same, me and my dad were pirating gameboy pokemon games in oldass pcs in 1998/1999 when i was 7-8 aswell, even the gbc pokemon games (gold and silver) when they launched in japan jfl
as someone whos computer _actually_ sucks some systems cant really be emulated on some sucky computers without at least one issue (like bad audio, choppy graphics, etc.) but i am CERTAIN the game boy isnt one of them
@@TheBongoman47same! I also had the original donkey kong on it, emulators do not require a good pc at all lol
@@wahoodotwavYeah, if your computer can boot up, congratulations, it's strong enough to run a gameboy emulator.
This is why I believe that all speedruns that are going for WR or money need to be required to actually submit the video file, as well as the game's save file.
NGL I thought that was a requirement
Happens for some speedruns
Pretty sure all speedruns (for leaderboards) and bounties have set rules.
Having the save file won't help in catching cheaters. I'd say the majority of runners don't have a way to export their save file anyway, as it requires external tools
Can’t those be spliced and edited tho
The thing about calculators having a 1980's processor: that very processor (Z80) was used as the foundation for the GBC processor. It's also such a good CPU that it's still used in products today. It was originally meant for use in computer systems designed for one specific function, but it found its way into several general purpose applications too. I myself have even designed circuits with the Z80.
ppl going straight batman mode to figure out if a speedrun is illegitimate or not is the only real justice we have
"Getting lucky is not a crime" is actually a quote from a speedcuber that got the 3x3 world record in 2008. Was a bit surprised to hear that quote about a pokemon speedrun but it made sense when you mentioned he was a speedcuber later.
was that erik akkersdijk?
@@TheNrp8598 Yes
Ah so we can add plagiarism to his list of crimes too? Oy, this bloke is going on the naughty list and then some this Christmas.
@@Ten_Thousand_Locuststweeting a sentence that happens to be a quote someone verbally said at one point isn’t plagiarism
@@gastongatekeeper what even is a joke?
I remember reading a story where a lazy worker remarked to his coworker that he managed to trick the camera so the boss would think he was working. His job was to go over the floor with a hose. So he walked around the floor for an hour with the hose, pretending he was cleaning the floor. He was so proud of that job he didn't do.
The coworker then pointed out "You could have turned the hose on and spent that hour doing the actual work."
As a blue collar boy, I give this whole comment a big thumbs up. lmao
I have worked with people like this. they put in more effort to get out of doing the work then it would take to just do their job. I never understood it.
It's similar to those who pickpocket small items, some people like the thrill, some just want to see if it's possible, and some have an actual mental issue involved
Another story in my collection of stories that certainly happened
I did this as a kid. I hated taking showers. So I'd go in the bathroom and turn on the shower so my parents would hear the water. Then I figured, they'd be able to tell I hadn't showered if I came out dry. So I would wet myself all over with a washcloth in the sink. Then I thought, what if they smelled me. I had to smell clean like soap. So I'd rub soap behind my ears and other critical places. I did this for years. I think I was like 8 by the time I realized I was basically just doing a shower with extra steps.
As someone who knows nothing about speedrunning Pokemon, this video was insane to follow along with. I can't believe how much info the runner has to stay on top of while also making precise movements. Kudos to all who attempt it.
Great video and weirdly, I also super respect your sponsor pairing. VERY cool to support a source that attempts to balance some biases. It’s still super hard for us to beat biases, but REALLY cool there’s an app for that. Much respect!!!❤❤❤
Speedrun mods should work at identifying the Zodiac Killer.
Jfk. Probably Mrs Kennedy but yeah they would solve it.
Ted Cruz.
For real, can only imagine the problems it could help solve with that same dedication.
i'm so glad to hear he didn't actually get the 8500$ in bounties...
when i heard about this cheater, i assumed he got away with the money.
Thankfully he was caught by the diligent mods before that disaster happened.
Ah yes. Getting away with winning money is always the best part of cheating, especially when you're legally able to keep the money!
Nah he would have been tracked down and sued for the money back plus court expenses
@@IntelliPocalypselmao unlikely.
I mean anything stolen over $1000 in the states is a felony offence so its not that far fetched they would attempt to take him to court for theft. @@jesterbob828
Ngl I find it crazy how you were mentioned in Karl’s latest vids. I love his stuff but I kinda just stumbled across your vid just now. Great work king, please, keep up the amazing quality!
I'm so blitzed, I heard "manip." And thought "What pokémon was that!?"
😂
Gonna write "being lucky is not a crime" on all my sweaters 😂
Dream energy "oh I just got super lucky"
That’s actually someone printed this on a T-shirt and that’s awesome 😂
@@lilylopncoto be fair with dream, at least he hasnt been cheating for months and for money and just did it once......I think😅
gonna write that now whenever I am lucky, so its never clear whether I cheated or not 😂
Wear it to a Casino and see how long it takes to get kicked out.
his lightning quick second place in sapphire of all games was probably the quickest way he could have set off every alarm bell in PSR lol. for anyone who has tried to speedrun sapphire, it is one of if not the single most notoriously brutal pokemon speedgame, what with the combination of very tough fights and challenging gen 3 movement and spinner manip. faking 1:56 within less than a week of runs was clearly not his brightest idea lol. props to minnow for thorough video on the chimchar RNG.
been practicing emerald for months and i couldn’t dream of getting within 15-30 mins of wr
keep at it! And dont be like Jadiwi!@@obnoxiousthegod
I would argue that second place right out of the gate for almost any highly optimized game is a red flag.
Other runners spend years grinding times down. Getting super lucky for multiple games and categories over the course of a week in just too insane to seem real. I don't know why people would think it wouldn't be scrutinized.
@@sidesswipe009 cuz they lack the knowledge. They dont know that, actully upon watching more and more of these videos its apparent you have 2 types of speedrunning cheaters. Those who are true speedrunning elites that still cheat, and those who arnt and therefore do not have the skills and knowledge to properly cheat. It also doesent help that yea these runs are mega optimized, if you don't do certain things a certain way thats a red flag. Honestly it takes a certain kind of person to be able to cheat well at speedrunning, but ultimately it pointless cuz you might as well just git gud at speedrunning. I also feel like live streams should be an absolute must. That the community needs to see your active involvement.
Sup Heinz, knew i could find you here 8-)
There are two mistakes with the numbers:
1) at 26:04 you say 1/800 but write 0.00125% instead of 0.125% or 0.00125
2) at 25:37 you say that the odds for zero encounters are 2% and the combined odds to get this and another favorable thing are 5%, which is impossible (the chance can only go down, not up, when combining two events)
I guess these are just slip-ups within the already very complex video and have been considered correctly for all other purposes.
"I can't run on an emulator, my PC sucks"
...your PC can't run a gameboy game?
There's lying and then there's this
Him saying his computer isn’t good enough to emulate the game boy was the nail in the coffin. I remember my first laptop, a dell inspiron 2200 with a 1.5ghz processor and 256 mb of ram and that thing easily emulated Nintendo and Super Nintendo. I bought that back in like 2002.
My trash Walmart bought HP computer in 2008 could run Gameboy and even N64. Absolutely silly as hell.
Unless he's using a comedore 64 it seems off
It takes far more resources to stream than to emulate a GB I believe.
@@sinteleon it still should be more than capable. Sure he can’t stream in 4k or 1080p but 440 or 720? Definitely. And that’s a low end computer made 30 years ago. I’m sure his computer is at least a decade newer. I could do it on a single core, 32bit processor with 1/4 gb of ram. Guarantee his computer was 2 core, x64 with 1gb of ram, unless he is also mid 30’s and bought his current computer on the early 2000’s while going through high school.
1998, pentium 2 with 16 mb of ram, it cried with StarCraft, but could emulate game boy emulators at 60fps
The mods should DEFINITELY take Jadiwi up on his offer to give details on how he used the editing software to obtain such convincing results. Helping them catch future cheaters more easily is probably the best way he could possibly redeem himself at this point.
Missing the point, he just wants more attention dude
@@songofalchemygive him the attention if it hinders future cheaters. Who's side are you on?
@@visibletoallusersonyoutube5928whose*
@@songofalchemyi mean, isn't that sacrifice worth if it means having better means to identify cheaters?
I mean wouldn't this be a cool way for him to get attention and help out the community? It's obvious he knows a lot about cheating runs and what/how to do it.
Man, Jadiwi will be so pissed when he finds out you can't use safestates on a rubix cube ...
Starting to think speedrunner analysts could outperform the police in detective work and they don't get no resources neither
this is insane, props to the pokemon speedrun community for discovering this cheater
It blows my mind how many people still attempt this kind of thing knowing how good the cheat catchers have become.
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems honestly
I wish them the best of luck in catching all the others that have doubtlessly slipped through the cracks so far.
@Robert_McGarry_Poems There's always a few who slip through the cracks, and every cheater expects to be one of those lucky few.
@@superscatboy
And for all we know, the people running the investigation could end up being investigated next :D
I really appreciate how you skip the noise most RUclipsrs have in their videos (especially at the start) and you instead get right into the substance.
It was quite simple, in videos where I had an extended intro I lost a lot of retention because people want a quick appetizer that gets them ready for the meal, the bigger the appetizer the less they want to eat, so I started doing shorter intro's in my last 6 or so videos and my retention has dramatically improved.
@@Abyssoft that sounds smart! I think the flip side of that is that when the video should logically be done, end the video. YT highly values people watching to the end of the video, so if you have too much stuff at the end, it's going to ding you because people keep clicking off too early. I don't think you have an issue with that, but I mean generally. So I guess the name of the game is.. time efficiency, I guess?
P.S. you deserve all the viewers you can get! your videos are always extremely well done and interesting.. there aren't many channels I'll reflexively click on when I see a new video, but this is one of them :)
@@Abyssoft that and most intros nowadays are cringe af
You should unironically make a video about this. You would be doing the RUclips community, both creators and viewers, a service.
@@Abyssoftbro spliced his intro
Honestly he should've just sent WaveWarrior the scene in Death Note where Light laughs his ass off at being caught as Kira
this feels like such a weird knit pick but its a great video; please let the song at the end play out for a second :) gives a good second to appreciate ya hard work after a solid 35 MINUTES to cool down. subbed
Reaching the 1 : 47 mark on Red with barely over 100 runs when most people there have 2000+ is wildly arrogant to try and hide lmao
Insane Speedcubing world record of 1.8253 seconds explained. Cube started in second gear!
The Rubik Splice
Tod Togers?!!?!
really lucky to start in second gear and pop the clutch
Strangely, after scrambling the cube, it only had two sides unsolved. But it's not a crime to be lucky.
Imagine how insanely successful crime investigations would be if the police had as much passion/resources/knowledge/time as the mods had while investigating these runs.
Fewer people falsely judged, more offenders facing justice.
One can only dream...
At least it's a nice dream to indulge oneself in.
This was an awesome video! Glad it got randomly recommended to me, I love the drama/speedrun/and Pokémon its the perfect lil video!
The way of cheating, of laughing at those who play fair, of showing off... and then ending up admitting that he cheated and pretending to be sorry... This guy is a true psychopath.
Dawg he's a kid 😭
Not a psycho although they usually are shameless liars. Just a really immature kid in need of recognition.
@@privatefeetpics7415 When I was 12 I already knew this shit was unexcusable. No excuse that he is 16-17.
@@privatefeetpics7415no hes not dumbass
@@privatefeetpics7415he's a worthless kid
I find it funny how they always go too far. 1 record is never enough, they always expose themselves going for multiple.
Gotta get that dopamine, yo ;)
they just HAD to be the very best like no one ever was
@@erlendvageskar3356 claiming a wr by cheating would give no dopamine lol... some people are built differently i guess
@@Pixiuchu He wanted his name on the leaderboard, pretty simple. Absolutely a dopamine rush, it's what addictive gaming is built around right now. Name a competitive game that doesn't have leaderboards and ranks.
@@Pixiuchuthey would from the rush of not getting caught and the praise
The guy should have just accepted his fake accomplishments as they were instead of trying to push it to get $1000.
I'm not a speedrunner and a lot of the technical jargon goes over my head, but I know RNG manipulation. The fact Minnow so easily found out his seed was fake is such a rookie mistake.
The one thing I have noticed time and time again with cheaters who get caught is they cannot help themselves from bragging and gloating within the community they are undermining
It all stems from high levels of insecurity.
They're loser narcissists
a consistent pattern I see with cheaters is that there are always a bunch of small weird thing that all have an explanation that kinda make sense but at the same time the amount of things that need an explanation is always way more than other runners. So if you look at each occurence individually it doesn't look too bad but if you know there is history there it's like "uh oh".
It's also always weird things that are convenient for the runner.
Also they always do the classic lying thing where you make up a story with odd details to make it sound more believable. Like how he lives with his parents but not only does he live with his parents but he had to add in the little anecdote about how he woke them up celebrating.
Sure, but this also apply to some legit runners, making the pattern inconsistent.
Hans Niemann is an odd fella in the chess world, and many correlated that to cheating when he was being suspected of it, with his post-game analysis being taken as almost proof he was nowhere near as good as he played. Today, it seems more likely he didn't cheat over the board and he's just a wee bit edgy and socially awkward. Hindsight is 20/20, and drawing conclusions about the evidence whilst already knowing the outcome is troublesome.
@@Mrwutevah Well yeah that's the issue, if you start being hypervigilant about it then you'll see one odd thing one person does and start worrying they're cheating.
I wasn't making a point on how to catch cheater, more so about how they typically abuse plausible deniability and benefit of the doubt to keep getting away with ton of small oddity.
@@Laezar1 I agree! And I wasn't saying you made a dubious claim, just that certain people might when your comment lacks a big disclaimer in bold ;)
@@Mrwutevah fair enough! ^^
At 25:43, you added the percentages wrong. A 2% chance of no encounters + 3% chance of good rival battle would compound to 0.06% chance of getting both (if my math is correct) not increase it to 5%
cheating bounties is the scummiest thing ever. bounties are literally the epitome of speedrunning. gross
Its not a bug that makes rng start from the same place in sapphire, it is because the battery is dead that it does, in emerald specifically there is a bug that makes it not change on reset.
I hate it when losers can't help but add in the fact that they've been bullied to gain sympathy after getting caught. As if that will help... You cheated (almost for money I might add), just own up to it, retire and leave your stupid sob story to your mom.
Meh I don’t really mind it. It’s not like cheaters spawned from nothing. When people do bad stuff it’s cuz something bad was done to them. It’s not an excuse just an explanation. Not to say in this specific scenario what his reason was but more just cheaters in general
Heck even I was bullied for ages and abused by several people throughout my life even I wouldn't go to these lengths to cheat even for money which I do need being bullied doesn't turn you into a cheater but it does make you not wanna be seen which is the only believable part that makes sense in his sob story but then again so is being a dirty lying cheater obviously :/
@@lugiamastero13 You're right. Survivors of bullying go to great lengths to protect their privacy. It's why I don't have a single social media account linked to my real name or anything else that could help identify me. I have zero interest in ever becoming a public personality.
@Accrovideogames yup that's exactly right although I do have social media accounts I don't really post anything like almost at all except maybe extremely good accomplishments for my family and I keep my friend groups really small.
Yes I agree with that quite a lot I don't wanna be in the spotlight I rather like the comfort of being hidden from public view though thankfully I don't have any anxiety towards speaking to people but I still rather nobody know who I am
@@superl8296nah f that. At the end of the day, it's a pitiful "explanation" for inexcusable behavior. Akin to saying you keyed your neighbor's car because your pet rabbit died. Senseless.
"The bad guys need to get lucky everytime, the good guys need to get lucky just once."
I don’t watch too many speed running vids of any kind and hardly watch about cheaters getting exposed doing it but man it blows my mind just how intricate speed running really is everytime. All this talk about step counts, actions needing to be done on a certain frame is just wild to me
"that's the reaction i wanted to provoke"
-an absolute sore loser who was desperate deleting his messages
Saw this as a recommendation, and this has been informative. As someone who doesn't have much experience with Pokemon speedruns, it shows just how technical they are and how the smallest details can make a world of difference.
Agreed. I don't follow speed runs but it had me curious and was very excellently described for a player with moderate Pokemon knowledge
Yeah this kind of thing usually happens when speedruns devolve into rng manip
Who made your music track? It reminds me of Nier music so much, id love to listen to it
Which one? All of my music is by novadrome and vividity, they don't always post what they make though
This video was really laid out well. Explained a lot in an easy to consume way especially for those like myself, who no little to nothing about poke speedrunning
"Maybe I'll be making a video on a speedcubing cheater later..." Oof, ain't got enough Burn Heals for _that_ one.
its so much more messed up when they try to claim bounties with cheated times. Like regular cheating... I can kinda wrap my head around that. I can forgive that. But cheating to claim bounties? That's people's hard earned money... it's just stealing but in a more roundabout _(bass riff)_ way!
(and the worrying part is that it's almost certainly only going to happen more often, as speedrunning continues to grow and grow :/ )
Cheating for bounties is obviously morally worse but also kinda more logically consistent. Like, normally the only reward for having a speedrunning world record is pride, but you obviously won't have any pride if you know you cheated. Bounties are the *only* real reward you can get for cheating in speedrunning.
I'm curious if, had he actually gotten the money, it would count as fraud. It meets the colloquial definition of fraud but I'm not sure if it meets the legal definition (and also, laws differ between regions).
Might also just be something that'd never be criminally prosecuted just because the amount of effort required to prove cheating is vast compared to the small amounts of money involved in bounties. $5,000 is a lot but it isn't some million dollar Ponzi scheme
@@derekcline950Fraud laws are usually written broad enough for this very reason. Deceiving people out of money in an egregious manner like this would almost definitely be considered fraud.
Is that a _(bass riff)_ Metalocalypse reference?!
shotouts to you and your bass riff reference
Least dishonest Frenchman
If you’re “impatient”, speed running Pokémon games isn’t for u
I really hope the mods got the recognition they deserved for their efforts. There should be a mod medal.
Bounties for the mods to catch the cheaters
wtf am i doing with my life
What you mean
Not cheating
u good bro?
Be more specific
Learning
you are amazing at video essays i was entertained the entire time, keep doing what you're doing
This genre of YT video, investigating speedrun cheaters, is so good. And I would never have expected that like, 10 years ago.
Hey, I liked the video overall, just 3 little footnotes:
1. At no point was Jadiwi "streaming Sapphire attempts". The 1:56:55 was the only footage that existed of him playing that game.
2. RNG manipulation doesn't "work because of a bug". I won't get into any details here but that's just misleading phrasing.
3. At the NSC section, you mention that the chance for a good Squirtle fight is 3% and that the chance for no encounters is 2% "for a combined 5%". I'm sure I don't need to explain that that's not how probability works.
Given how this channel has covered things like this before, it feels weird that those slipped by
@@purplegill10 They could be trap facts. Some creators put tiny inaccuracies like those into their vids to "trap" content thieves. Since the incorrect data ONLY comes from this video, anyone who repeats it is stealing.
Adding a section in the description to amend what has been pointed out; it was explained to be that RNG manip in Sapphire was only possible because of a bug with how saving + soft resetting works though.
@@Abyssoft Well, you gotta be careful with your terminology. These runs are considered glitchless after all. The game starts from the same seed every time because the battery is dry. But like, that's just how it works.
@@AbyssoftI hope catching you slipping like this doesn’t lead to bigger things like it did Jawili or whatever his name was
I've noticed that when people get caught, they almost always will claim they were depressed, or have mental issues, or some other issue that for whatever reasons means they need to fake speed runs.
shoot, everyone is depressed or with some mental issue these days. Modern society gives currency to victimhood, and people have taken notice, thus, the people with poor character will attempt to use mental issues to their advantage, when again, everyone could potentially do this--it just demonstrates that their poor character extends beyond the cheating, in a uniform manner across many facets of life. People avoid responsibility like the plague, even when they are caught red-handed, it's wild to see grown men and women, some even older than me, take no responsibility for their actions. It's an epidemic
Anyone that flexes his/her mental issues like a medal is always a professional, fake victim.
Pretending to be a victim is pretty common in the younger people these days.
You realize there is always a reason for everything, not sure what you mean by this
@@MrCyanGamingit's not a reason it's an excuse
"maybe i'll be making a video on a speedcubing cheater later this year" was absolutely diabolical, excellent video my guy
Why am I the only one looking at future dates of his runs in the graph like at 14:15 the highlighted dates are 11/4/2024 and 11/9/2024 uuhhh last time I checked my calender said today was 10/2(Feb)/2024...
I just wanted to come here and appreciate how much effort you put into this video. I think that this video puts the whole situation into context extremely well about everything while still being respectful of things that deserve respect despite the fact that he arguably doesn't (i.e, his backstory telling in his retirement pastebin). Thank you for representing PSR so well. Looking forward to see what else you do in the future!
4:22 Technically this is only the case in Emerald. For Ruby and Sapphire, the battery needs to be dead for that bug to occur. Emerald has that bug regardless if the battery is dead or not.
I noticed the Chart that shows the speed runs shows the date on the left as 2024. Harmless typo or am I seeing the future.
28:50
See, its stuff like this that makes me not even attempt speedrunning. Theres just absolutely so many complicated things my brain would rip in two.
bro didn't ask for his lawyer 💀 he just kept on talking and gave the detectives what they wanted to hear
"Uh, just one more thing, sir: you said you never streamed to the speedrunning website because your computer is slow."
"What about it?"
"Well, sir, the boys down at the lab, they tell me that even some potato from 1999 could emulate the GameBoy pretty well, and the memory requirements of Fraps wouldn't trouble a goldfish. It just surprises me that in the 2020s someone could even run a computer as old as that."
"Oh, Columbo! It was just a misunderstanding! I'm not as familiar with emulation for different systems, and didn't realise the requirements were so low. Look at the N64! It's just as old, but very hard on emulators even today."
"Ah, I see, sir. This new computer technology is remarkable. You know I've got a nephew who's wild about computers, always messing about with 'em. Just out of curiosity, sir, what kind of computer is it you have?"
@@o00nemesis00o lol thats great. Sounds so familiar to me, is it just a trope or from an actual Columbo episode with computer/emulator talk replaced?
also, small correction--mounting the bike actually takes 3 frames. the first tile of movement is 16, the second tile is 8, and all subsequent tiles are 4 (as you said). each spinner is different, but you typically bike just two tiles to pass, so the run-to-bike takes 3+16+8 = 27 frames, which means you have a 5-frame window for most run-to-bike manips. excellent video though, thanks for covering the story.
0:50 i'm not sure what the leftmost column means. is that date? because those are 2024 dates and i'm pretty sure it's only may 2024...
It's so pathetic how speedrunning communities are so scared of being skeptical of participants.
That's why there's so much cheating going on all the time. It wouldn't surprise me if 90% of all participants cheated in some way.
the supervillain monologue at the end is crazy
Nah, villainous monologues are usually at least cool, or cheesy in a charming way.
This was just pathetic.
Cheaters are so funny, they put so much effort seeming legit rather than just, being actually good
Wonder if they'd still be this way if they knew, creating a lie takes far more strain on the brain than honesty
A lot of cheaters are actually good at what they do. Not all but a good amount. Sometimes when someone’s doing something for so long and stop getting the higher and higher results they start feeling like they “deserve” said results so they cheat. It makes a lot of sense when you think of something like runs that require a lot of luck. Someone might be very skilled but just not have been lucky so they’ll change stuff so they get what they “deserve”. Usually those are the type of cheaters that get caught less because they know how to get away with it. It’s not always some random person who’s terrible at what they do. In my opinion those are just the ones that get caught more often.
Karl Jobst keeps explaining this. You don't cheat to get a good time. You cheat to get a good time faster.
Cheating speedrunners are frustrated with the lack of progress despite the significant amount of time put in and use cheating to pull through.
I also wanna add for some people, creating that lie doesn't take any strain on the brain more than honesty would.
At 25:42 the combined odds of a 2% event and a 3% event both occurring are 0.02 * 0.03 = 0.0006 or 0.06%, not 5%.