The Biggest Cheater In Minecraft History Was Just Exposed
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The biggest cheater in Minecraft speedrunning history was just caught. This shocked everyone, including me. Today we will take a look at what happened.
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Of all of the cheaters I've heard about, this may actually be the most surprising.
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What happen?
Absolutely disgusting that someone so trustworthy would do something like this.
The secret is, they're all cheaters, or nearly all who do things that seem impossible or unbelievable. The money and or status is too much for these people.
@@HermannTheGreat Maybe.
Did you repost this video? Posting this comments right after the sponsor. It's the village chests that get him right? Or did someone else post this weeks ago? Weirdest sense of deja vu.
This reminds me of a funny incident that happened a couple of years ago:
A TV program was going to give a prize to the oldest person alive of the country. But after tracking that person, they realized she had been dead for several years, but their family didn't notify her death to keep receiving the government pay. Then they decided to move to the next oldest person alive, but it turned out it was dead as well. And so on and so forth.
By the time they got finished they uncovered 8 more cases of social security fraud...
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Wow, irony of fate lol
That was in Japan, right?
HAHAHAHAHAAH
Oh my god that’s hilarious
well, that doesn't seem very harmful
Something Karl didn't mention is that MinecrAvenger has a twin brother who is also a top Minecraft speedrunner however his brother is seemingly a completely legitimate player who has no oddities in his runs.
When MinecrAvenger was first submitting times to the leader board his times just coincidentally happened to be slightly faster than his brothers, he wasn't just cheating and fooling the community he was also cheating to get a better time than his brother just so he could feel superior to him.
A very sad man indeed.
Holy shit
That's something I've never thought about. Twins being competitive with eachother. It does have to feel weird to be the worse than someone that share your DNA. Any twins wanna weigh in on this?
I bet the twin feels amazing now
I don't know about that, I'd rather imagine his twin feels pretty shit living under the same roof as someone like MinecrAvenger
@@MartKencuda "It does have to feel weird to be the worse than someone that share your DNA"
literally MGS1
"Minecraft speedrun scientist" is one of those combinations of words that feels like it should be sarcastic, but is completely serious and genuine.
Reminds me of one Korean prosecutor who investigated the worst match fixing in the country's Brood War pro scene. He proved the anomalies in the accused rigged matches as himself being a competent StarCraft player, the best in the prosecutor's office.
The difference between science and messing around is noting stuff down
Well don't forget about the papers that were written during the Dream scandal. Those were proper high math stuff.
uhhhh yeah i'm thinking "minecraft speedrun scientist" is goin on the 'ol resume lmfao
@Obama doESn’t care There's a difference between neckbeards and people using actual science and math though. It's an earned title lol
"It takes one to know one" is honestly why I believe that moderators should be deeply familiar with cheating themselves so they can recognise others more easily. Like a serial killer becoming a detective.
Next up: Head Mod of Speedrunning MC found cheating with their profound technical knowledge of MC!
"Like a serial killer becoming a detective." like this has ever happened lmfao
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While it isn't the best example, a lot of cyber criminals like hackers and scammers get themselves jobs in Police Departments due to their experience in the job allowing them to detect other ones of their kind.
@@henrik1743 well you wouldn't know, would u?
Him exposing dream is the perfect example of "Takes one to know one"
😂😂
Hahah lol!
But what an L as well, at least Dream has basically banned himself from speedrunning and makes entertaining content.
Karma at its finest
@@machinronii it's not karma, but ironic
like they always say, people who's quick to accuse is usually virtue signalling.
When Karl revealed that it was in fact HIM wearing those glasses...Well my whole goddamn world collapsed around me.
It's like Clark Kent and Superman were the same person *all along*
Like seriously. Most Epic Karl Jobst Moments of All Time | Watchmojo
It is ironic how a channel about exposing cheaters is trying to scam you into buying useless glasses with lies.
@@thenonexistinghero source? Or are you just gonna say baseless shit without providing proof
@@thenonexistinghero ratio
I was in Brisbane recently and I saw that Netherworld was collecting funds for your legal fees. Really cool for a bar/arcade to do that for a local
That's so nice !!
That's awesome, will need to plan a night out there. Pretty cool place
I have heard about that place but never been there. Need to check it out.
I hadn’t heard of netherworld, is it in the valley or city?
@@BirnieMac1
It’s in the valley
This is like these scenes in cartoons where the main characters are exposed for cheating and yet its revealed EVERYONE in the whole contest was cheating so the trophy goes to the person in last place who happened to be the only one that wasnt cheating.
That dancing competition episode in Spongebob where Patrick is the winner.
Yes, give me the trophy everyone else was cheating on
Its kinda funny knowing that if he didn't expose Dream, he wouldn't have been caught as easily. It was because of Dream that people started getting suspicious of 'good luck'.
I apparently won a prize, but nothing has yet come of it. May be a scam.
@@paulhallas9649 if it doesn’t have his name in it, it’s a scam, nothing mentioned in the video either
@@shadowhuntergmd7059 i see his name, KarlJobst
@@paulhallas9649 but a bunch of words before, it’s a scam, and creators have a different highlight when they reply
@@shadowhuntergmd7059 gotcha, 👍
The audacity to call out someone for what you’re doing yourself is peak level.
What did Karl do?
They're talking about the cheater
hypocrisy doesn't make you wrong it just means you don't live up to your own advice
Actually, that's fairly typical human behavior.
Literally Trump accusing the Democrats of using Fraudulent votes and fake news to get elected
What bothers me the most is the fact Minecravenger made so many of his runs a tiny bit faster than his brother’s. That's some next level pettiness I haven't seen before.
Petty? Yes, but it seems like more than that. Some people just dominate their siblings in seemingly all competition they take part in. That can wear on the deficient competitor and be the spark for cheating behavior, especially when that sibling gloats about their victories. I'm not condoning it, but I understand it. The need to shut that person up becomes everything, and cheating at that point can be rationalized. It's wrong, so ban him from the competition community in which the cheating took place, for trust is lost, but it's not as crazy or sad as some believe it is in my opinion.
@@Mixed-Media-Artswhat? This is still crazy and sad 🤨
@@Mixed-Media-Arts yeah, but that's definitely not always the case. So you can't prove shit xd
Take it from someone who used to cheat
@@DyoKasparov Can you spot where I said this is always the case? I was simply opening myself up for a situation where someone rationalizes their cheating and I've determined that this behavior doesn't deserve the mob-like ire from everyone who consumes these videos. It goes too far.
@@diegomo1413 I said it's not as crazy and sad as some make it seem.
Exposing someone else from cheating probably is to gain the trust from the community, make people think he is one of the "good guys" that takes care of the integrity of the game.
Maybe he just wanted to ensure his run stayed the fastest. He couldn't be beaten by a legit player, but he _could_ be beaten by another cheater.
Doesn't take away from dream cheating
@@rdrrr or maybe it’s a combination of these with other things as well
I definitely think that was part of it. I believe that he also wanted to eliminate some competition.
@@opo3628 I’m sure that was a factor
It's amazing how far cheat detection has come. Huge W for the speedrunning comminity.
Until it turns out that everyone has cheated.
I thought that said “dedication,” lmao.
Still feels like an L...
you poor soul
Wouldn't have been possible without those cheaters!
This is going to just be a never ending cycle. First Drem gets exposed by Dream, and MinecrAvenger exposes him, and now he gets caught cheating. Whoever exposed MinecrAvenger for cheating, please don't be part of the speedrunning community so the cycle could finally break.
Plot twist: Drem exposed MinecrAvenger
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Ooga not know what u say
Ooga is cheats in spedrun!1
We must be better
@@juanignaciosala9414 No! We are cheaters. We never change.
The old saying rings true here “a thief thinks like a thief and locks everything”. He caught Dream because he was thinking like a cheater.
White hat hackers are good for this reason, they know the trade and use it for good
It is not uncommon for security companies to hire hackers
Ah yes, this is why normal people lock their house and cars; because they are thieves. So fcking stupid
does that saying also apply to houses
@@toceeno874 It's a very dumb saying lol
@@Rahkoi Ya, i think "Takes one to know one" was a better fit.
It’s like studying a bank heist, calling the police on the criminals and then being caught robbing the same bank years later. It’s almost as if he studied the mistakes so he wouldn’t make them, but ended up having the same fate as the ones he studied.
I used to feel annoyed about the cheaters, but as a bystander I am -- more and more -- enjoying this cat and mouse game between the cheaters and the guardians of integrity
“Cheaters and the Guardians of Integrity” would make a great title for a documentary 😂
Well said. Starting to agree.
_between the cheaters_ *and* _the guardians of integrity and other cheaters_
that's how the governments feels like when civilians clash with the police lmao
There are no guardians of integrity. They are just other cheaters that are exposing other cheaters so their undetected cheats can make them the best. If cheaters are all in the top spot, it proves you have to cheat to get the edge (obviously), and so many cheaters do it that being at the top necessarily implies you are cheating.
And we have literal cheaters exposing cheaters; how is that 'guardians of integrity?
I feel like the act of finding cheaters has become it's own sort of game. I wonder if at some point people start competing in it. Someone posts a deliberate video of a cheated speed run and people compete in finding the most amount of proof as fast as possible.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if something like this was already happening.
Find cheater any% wr (0:27.047)
I was just thinking this xD having a "cheat as subtly as possible" category would be really funny imo, it being more like Twilight Princess Low% than Any%, like whoever does the craziest cheats without "getting caught" gets WR rather than the speediest runner. might even help mods get a list of cheating tells & techniques at the same time. call it Cheat%
Catching a speedrunning cheater speedrun any%
Future video: it had been proved that [insert cheat debunker] had scripted his cheating debunk video. 💀
The dragon had probably started in 2nd gear to be able to get such a fast perch. What a talented runner!!
Ahhhh, the human element
Didn't even need to pop the entire clutch, just the single egg.
XD
@@ZorotheGallade thumbs up for the pun.
You can tell it wasn't a truly random seed by the girder fingers visible on the nether fortress transition scenes, that run was done on emulated hardware
The fact that I can hear the phrase "Minecraft Scientist" and not break a rib from laughing is a hell of a statement on where we are as a species. Not sure if it's a good or a bad one, but it's a hell of one either way
I love a good Minecraft cheating controversy because the sheer lengths that cheaters go to to get ahead and the equally audacious lengths people go to to bust them defies belief
Fr. I'd give a lot to be this passionate and driven about anything lol
ProTip: Never expose one of the most popular gamers on the entire internet for cheating when you're cheating in almost the exact same fashion. It's not a good look.
Pro Tip: Ignore the aforementioned pro tip and do it anyways so you can help getting caught yourself later 👍
@@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand pro pro tip: just don't cheat.
@@zebefreod871 That's a very good pro pro tip, too bad cheaters are just pro's and not pro pro's, the real G's
@@zebefreod871 pro pro pro tip: cheat blatantly so you can't get exposed.
@@zebefreod871 pro pro pro tip: go outside
I don't think there's any doubt that a lot of top rank speedrunners cheated their records and just haven't been caught yet because there hasn't been quite enough scrutiny to pick up on their method
Thats a very cynical world view
@@fnutek3720or a realistic view
@@tomothybahamothyor both
@tomothybahamothy Negative does not equal realistic. There is a difference between cynical and realistic. Moreover, there is a chance that some top runners are/were cheating, but the op saying that there are undoubtedly lots of top runners cheating is making a pretty big assumption.
The RNG in Minecraft speedrunning must be unbelievably frustrating to top runners for this many people to have been exposed for cheating inappropriately.
Every block can be randomly generated, so the RNG is probably the worst it could ever be in any game. Anything and everything could go wrong.
That said, they should just run a more consistent category instead of cheating. If you dont like the RNG, pick a run with less RNG to worry about. Set seeds on specific versions for most consistency. Don't be an ass and cheat just cause you weren't able to get good enough RNG.
@@jaade9485 Don’t don’t speedrun 1.14 or 1.15
Minecraft is one of the games built around random generation, so it surprises me so many people are wanting to run the game to begin with. Especially not the category for an optimal world either. It's going to take so many attempts to get optimal RNG, it's sure way more convenient to use mods or something to cut the grinding time down.
In addition to what other people have said, this was a big criticism of piglins in the nether being able to give ender pearls. Like that seems perfectly harmless, but this is the fastest way to get ender pearls now, it takes many tries to work out in your favor, and it's late enough in a run to waste more time on bad runs. And you'll never know how much gold you'll need (what the piglins give you for the gold is random), so good luck mining enough, while not wasting run time on too much. Compare that to villager chests, which are always the same if you prepick your seed.
Unfortunately, mojang can never really fix this, because the world records with piglins bartering don't go away if they remove the mechanic.
I imagine that runners do not really care about setting records, but rather just being fast
Because even if they set one, it would be mostly luck
The fact he had the audacity to call out dream while doing the same goddamned thing is hilarious.
except Karl and a shit ton of other people cheated on old video games just so they can get on a magazine. all of Karl's 007 WRs are real
@@prestongehrig2824 I'm not talking about Karl, genius.
He(Avenger) just didn’t want the competition, I’m guessing.
Takes one to know one
@@JCBassCovers that reply the guy gave was so un-attached to what you said that i thought it was a bot before realizing the person totally misunderstood who you were talking about
It's strange to me that people cheat in the first place like even if you pull it off eventually top players will want to rewatch the clip in order to learn your strategy.. so someone is going to catch it at some point
If you're going to cheat, do it only in a contained environment that's explicitly states there's cheats going on. Cheating in of itself ain't bad, it can even be fun. Don't do it trying to claim it's legit though.
"You Can't Hustle a Hustler"
The idea of that applying to cheaters as well sounds pretty fitting
Maybe he felt more secure after he exposed Dream. Like, if everyone knew him as the guy who exposed cheaters, then they would be less likely to think of him as one.
Basically in Among Us when The impostor votes their teammate out to appear less suspicious
@@realinfinity620Exactly lol, he was probably hoping that throwing Dream under the bus would give him some protection if people got suspicious of him as well.
He harnessed the power of the greatest video gamer of all time billy mitchell
Without Billy we'd all be nothing
SUED
Karl about to get sued again for ❤‘ing this comment.
Whoa whoa. He's "Gamer of the Century", let's not give him more credit than he's earned.
Careful. He will sue you.
There is a great video by Upper Echelon where he claims that the gamming community is much better at self moderating than the scientific community. This is a great example of that, it's amazing how people that play videogames can gather and use both the will and the means to expose corruption within the community while more important communities like the scientific community most times refuse to investigate possible corruption from within
That's not really surprising. Calling out someone for cheating in a speedrun risks at most being blown up on RUclips or Twitter. Calling out corruption in science could be the end of your career. Plus you can't (usually) get cash and kickbacks for cheating or being complicit in it regarding speedrunning
Every time this happens, I can't help but think, who else is cheating right now but yet to be caught?
I need to confess. I don't have any legitimate runs on the minecraft leaderboard. All of them are fake. None of them are real. If you think you see a minecraft run from me you're imagining things because I even faked submitting the runs.
@@rubixtheslime i dont even know who you are but you had me in the first half ngl
I need to confess too. When I was playing Halo 2 split-screen 1vs1 with my cousin in 2007, I actually was cheating by looking at his screen to find where he was easily.
I’m sorry
@@jayst I think we've all done that. When I was a kid and my friends and I would play 007 Goldeneye multiplayer we would all screen peek despite telling each other we couldn't.
If the pattern continues then one of people who busted Minecrvenger will be next.
I'm so glad not every speed game can be easily modified in such hard to notice ways. Like imagine if in SM64 we had to worry about people speeding up Mario's rollouts by x1.01 and fixing coin spawning RNG to be 10% more favorable.
Persona 4 Golden and 5 Royal were once in the same boat due to their exclusivity and non-prevalence(?) of working emulators for their respective consoles. Now that they're available on Steam, it's entirely possible to use subtle cheats/mods for an unfair advantage. (I'm still not certain if skill change manipulation is legitimate or not)...
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 modding a Vita is easy. modding a PS4 is easy too. cheating was easily possible long before the PC ports.
@@poudink5791 I still don't believe that mods on those are as accessible as on PC; don't you need to jailbreak consoles in order to modify anything?
Wouldn't something like coin rng cheating be possible though? Especially on VC
@@dscimforjack Yes, it would be. There are ways to mod every version of SM64 I believe. It comes down to accessibility though. Modding PC games is far more accessible than modding console games.
I misread the title and thought it was about the biggest cheater in MineSWEEPER history. I'm at 7:59 and after reading the title again I only just now am understanding why you kept talking about Minecraft so much. I was actively wondering how this guy was gonna parley his Minecraft fame into a fake Minesweeper record. This whole video is gonna be a different experience now. Looking forward to it and now wondering if there's ever been a Minesweeper cheating scandal.
Lol
That's okay, I was looking at the video on my sub page and was wondering why the thumbnail had a Minesweeper board in it when the title mentioned Minecraft. Then the rest of my brain caught up and I felt a bit silly.
bruh...i browse the comments at the beginnings and i only realised it after reading your comment...i also read it as minesweeper 😂 i think the thumbnail and lack of sleep made it look like a minesweeper field to me
It was probably the thumbnail that did the trick. It does look a bit like minesweeper.
it's a year later and I made the same mistake sobs
If you account for Dream's MASSIVE cheating scandal, this is probably one of the biggest "takes one to know one" instances of all time
I find it absolutely hilarious that the person that exposed Dream, straight up cheated multiple runs either before or after he exposed him, it's also ironic that he got caught for the same reason as Dream
Takes one to know one, and it also took some attention off him
Makes you wonder how many people are cheating in the games we play everyday lol it’s sad
Well, cheaters know what they need to look for after all to expose a cheater lol
He was literally the best suited person for all of those situations
@@Nightcaat It's a legit tactic that works, if you play Phantom Forces on roblox then you'll eventually see a cheater use that tactic to deflect attention from their cheating onto someone else to make themselves look innocent
Perhaps he spoke out against other cheaters to make his runs look less suspicious. One becomes more trusted when exposing other cheaters.
Probably.
I feel like putting yourself into the spotlight of cheating scandals kind of puts you in the crosshairs as well
The guy basically self-reported. It's kinda hilarious.
That's so wild that he was caught from that and not the splice. Shoutout to the community for checking the chest odds! Need passionate people behind these communities
At this point, hearing the word "luck" when it comes to MC speedruns puts a pit in my stomach
I can't believe it's been two years since the Dream cheating case.
No… no way
I'm old 👴
Three now
It's almost 4 years now
I get that top players are almost always the ones who end up cheating, and it makes sense why, but exposing other cheaters after you've cheated records yourself seems crazy. Like that's the absolute textbook definition of "tempting fate".
To me It seems like mindgames or I guess a classic game of among us or werewolf
On the other hand this guy was such a master of tricks he wasn't going to get caught throught the means he used to expose others.
They are projecting
I'm trying to imagine an alternate version of this story, where MinecrAvenger uses his knowledge of cheating to expose Dream, but admits that he knows it because he too is cheating. Burning down in flames with a bit of class.
I suddenly want karl to make a spinoff series called making a fake run in which he attempts to make a cheated run in games he is unfamiliar with to see what he can come up with
Cheaters are really good at spotting other people cheating because they know better what to look for and notice familiar patterns that they themselves might have attempted or thought about. Also the ego factor in cheaters makes them more likely to challenge the authenticity of other people's achievements which is probably how he noticed Dream was cheating too and got mad that someone else was beating his record the same way he was beating everyone else's.
Me and mates are great at spotting people cheating at card games. Because we constantly cheat during them when playing against each other (all in good fun tho)
This reminds me, back in the old days, many former criminals became very successful cops because they were once criminals, so catching one is child’s play.
If only those cheaters didn't submit scores and acted as simple cheater busters for scoreboards... Their help could have been invaluable!
@@flyingstonemon3564 Imagine being an active and known cheater who just goes around pointing out everyone's mistakes
@@helizteil2625 So based... At least It's not cheating if you're not in a competition and just screwing around for fun
For the fact they put effort into making a tool for scanning all possible loot chests is truly amazing, kudos to everyone involved!
I wonder how hard it must have been, you would need to take the game's algorithm, run it with each possible seed sequentially and report if it found a match
It may have taken some hours or days
@OrliMinecraft No no. Nobody did the calculation themselves. They made a program that did that. The calculation itself can be automated and even be parallelized onto multiple computers. The algorithm for that can be easily orientated from the original game.
Doing trillions of calculations by hand would be insane, might take some decades and is very error prone.
Right? I wanna see this tool, and how they developed it. Build and Running long computation applications is actually a lot of fun!
I remember watching a show back in the mid 2000s called it takes a thief where 2 ex theifs were exposing holes in peoples house security. This story reminds me of that because of the whole cheater exposes a cheater only to get caught cheating. But it does make since how he would know what to look for in order to expose Dream.
I almost want to thank all the cheaters for giving Karl the justification to do these amazing videos, thank you so much you legends
Absolute legends
ABSOLUTE legends*
Absolute legends
Absolute leg-ends
Absolute Drongos
Thanks so much for what you do. Not the critical exposes or reviewing speedruns… but for putting Mass Effect music in the background.
Spitting facts
Can't belive u picked that up
I just pictured that scene from the Simpsons where they get Homer to finally join the cult... by using the batman song.
Can you hear the pied piper?
Unexplainable glitches in software that can’t be repeated are probably due to space rays.
Multiple space rays in one run is pretty suspicious…
all speedruns should be played with ECC memory on space-grade tri-processor setup
Congrats for making me look up the term "space rays"
@@MasterOfKnowledge. cosmic rays is the more widely used term
Multiple space rays in one run is possible if the cosmic event lasts longer than an eyeblink. Multiple space rays in multiple different speedruns are however cheating.
Haha, in my days it was the new age quacks that blamed their failures on vaguely described space stuff, now it is video game cheaters who do it XD (at least new agers and similar blaming things on planets not being aligned properly or some other crap was at least somewhat thematically relevant to the bluff >_
the mass effect map music caught me off guard ! You truly are a man of culture, doubled with a great narration technique. Thank you for the work you put into your videos
I'm starting to think that the long hours of grinding the intense RNG of minecraft speedruns just cooks a certain kind of person's brain after a while.
Yea lazy people with no morals
It takes a special kind of person to ever start these runs. They are all on a list somewhere.
sadly so, and as karl once said in the past, people that are very good at the game can end up cheating because they feel its unfair the rng isnt letting their skill shine
and looking at those runs the guy seems pretty good honestly
That's the thing about minecraft speed running and any heavy RNG game, it's INCREDIBLY flawed that you have to repeat the same thing 100 times, not because you messed up your execution, but just because a random number not in your control screwed you
WOW im so proud of everyone here for helping karl out with the lawsuits, warms my heart to see
I hope karl get out of it alright, and I hope he gets all of his money back and more from billy and his constant harassment
Billy Mitchell is a pathetic, thin-skinned hack.
Saw this come up elsewhere and it's crazy. Glad to see Karl cover it too; I really like the way he puts his videos together and always speaks clearly and directly on the matter.
I think it was lowest percent? The video sounded familiar.
@@johnathanclayton2887 could be. I feel a bit bad not remembering it. Came up as a random suggestion and not a channel I normally watch.
@@gorgeouszan Yeah, lowest percent released a video on this two weeks ago
@@SkorchRabbitz gotcha was probably that then
I love this guys channel. Good wholesome investigative journalism on my favorite hobby.
This is why it's important to take the opinions of other cheaters accusing others seriously. Tons of cheating scandals in COD have happened in the last two years, but the community is so toxic it won't even listen to other cheaters laying out, in detail why a lot of the big cod streamers are cheating. I get it, they're cheaters - but, they have more experience with cheating than most other people and are worth listening to.
Exactly! Cheaters know what they're talking about when they talk about cheating, since they have 1st hand experience with it.
I remember a time in a Text RP group when I accused someone else's character of being overpowered, at which point I was dogpiled for having my own OP character and my take was disregarded. Years later, after the departure of the person I'd accused, it was near-universally agreed that his character was absolutely broken. I remember this vividly specifically because it was the moment I stopped caring so much about hypocrisy. More people need to recognize that a correct criticism being hypocritical *doesn't make it any less right.*
In 2 years: “How ExeRSolver was caught cheating in a Minecraft speedrun.” 9:20
I'll never understand why people cheat in groups like speed running. You're not getting money or notable recognition out of it, and the risk of getting caught is being blacklisted from the only community that shares the same interests.
It just seems like a losing scenario.
on the plus side you get a lot of YT ad revenue from a new world record if you make vids out of it :)
People cheat so they can get world records faster, or sometimes to get world records at all. Sometimes it is desperation to curb bad RNG; sometimes it is an ego thing that makes people chase as many categories as possible; sometimes it is jealousy that a contemporary is getting the luck and not you; sometimes the person is a jerk.
@@Zeldrake people also get a lot of ad revenue covering your cheating. So, if anything, cheating in a video game is kinda like donating to karl jobst.
This isn't a conspiracy theory, I don't imagine karl has a vast network of cheaters working for him, at least not yet.
because cheating is fun
@@Zeldrake eh, I don't think so. Dream got his ad revenue cause he was already a large and quickly growing channel
Whenever something like this happens, the same fraud detection methods should be applied to the entire top ten of the game in question.
And for any caught cheating removed from the list, repeat on the players taking that new top ten slot.
Well, the tool has been created, altho i imagine that checking each of the trillions of seeds would take a ehile
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The cheaters paradox as people get more confident that cheating isn’t possible the easier it is to cheat.
Each time a new person is discovered to have cheated, I wonder how long itll be before we hear Karl himself has been caught in a major cheating scandal. My heart cant take it
he was innocent, the entire video is fake
@@surzhyk1392 The first stage of grief is denial
@@surzhyk1392 The first stage of grief is denial
@@surzhyk1392what you mean?
@@surzhyk1392Yeah, what DO you mean?
In my opinion it's the players that expose others that you need to be the most suspicious of. In-depth knowledge of catching players gives you a big advantage in knowing how not to get caught. Also exposing cheaters puts you in high standing with the community so no one expects it anyway.
They didn't just have to run his chests against the full 2ish billion possible ones, they had to generate an exhaustive list of them first! This took months of computing on its own.
Not really months, you just take a list of the chest patterns and then run simulations for matching loot seeds, as it runs through the sims it crosschecks itself with the ones taken from stream, once they are confirmed as possible it's taken out, increasing the speed of checks. Computers are really really good at crunching numbers. I can't see this taking more than a month, faster if the work was split across multiple computers.
In a different video, Matthew Bolan said they used GPUs to do it in a few hours
@@Veltrosstho there are no fixed patterns
@@proxima_fish they used maths to reverse the formula. They didn't generate all trillions of chests and then checked if they got a match. They asked which seed do I need to get this specific layout. Given that numbers aren't random but just complicated formulas that seem random there is probably only a few million possible seeds.
@@nnnik3595 This is false, if you saw the Lowest Percent video about this topic (video was made by an actual minecraft runner) then you’d know better
Edit: Also your approach won’t even work because the entire point is that this chest is not possible - there is no seed that generates it. And there are indeed 2^48 possible different loot seeds, this is just a known fact at this point.
I just think it's sad that people cheat in these. I mean, so many other people are putting in time and effort to do what they do, and people like this guy come along and ruin it because he wants to feel special. How sad.
Seeing this makes me worry a lot about how many WR speedruns from other games were also cheated.
I mean, people were able to detect this particular case thanks to Minecraft being literally the most popular and played game of all time, and the build-up experience and knowledge coming from that fact is unfathomable.
But the vast majority of other games aren't so "lucky".
I got my start following speed running watching ZeroMaster. If he's ever outed as a cheater, I'll likely lose interest forever. I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of his runs whatsoever, but the more cheating that gets uncovered in the hobby/sport as a whole, the more you begin to question everyone that is just a bit too successful.
Virtually all of them are cheaters. That is the open secret
@@riffbw It is the norm, trust me. But people only 'analyze' if suspicious arises, and good cheaters can blatantly cheat without arising suspicion. Thus, what needs to happen is that we randomly 'analyze' people blindly in order to find a 'cheating rate.' If we blindly analyze 100 speedrunners that are in the top 10, and we get a rate above 10%, we know that virtually every 1st place in all speedruns was achieved via cheating
( this is because if you are cheating at a 1 in 10 rate, and we look at the top 10, the odds of the cheating being #1 are obviously higher; unless the cheater sucks so much his cheating only gets him to #10-2 )
You can do a further layer analysis to determine this (just look at all the top 10's and see who cheats
@@pyropulseIXXI Virtually every WR is cheated? You watch too much RUclips.
Since his notable runs started november 2020, it makes sense for him to call out Dream. After all, what else would be better to let your cheated runs go under the radar than everyone being focused on a big youtuber cheating their runs? By the time the Dream scandal blew over noone would look that deeply at the others around that time, especially at the person that called him out.
I feel bad for his brother though. He worked so hard to become so good only to have his brother still always be better than him... only because his brother cheated. I cant imagine how he felt learning about his brother cheating runs (even to the point of pettiness to get a slightly better time than him). It mustve hurt. His twin brother desecrating something he loves. Fuck, that sucks!
Maybe he even knew that but didn't say anything because he didn't want to "act bad" towards him. Maybe (assuming he knew) just knowing that he was getting better times only because he was cheating, was enough for him
This guy took Dream luck to a whole new level
@@cd-ramos The chest loot is completely impossible though
It was his dream to be a bigger cheater than Dream
@@cd-ramos I don't like Dream but nah. Even though Dream's odds on pearl trades were impossibly unlikely, the chest loot was actually 100% impossible in the MinecrAvenger run.
@@pwispa9532 fair
He knew exactly where to look when he thought dream was cheating.
What? That handome devil was actually just Karl with glasses on? Wild times
I remember seeing the spread sheet for this. Its beyond insane how they caught him.
"My other runs aren't cheated brooo!!!" - literally every cheating speedrunner after being caught lmao
Him calling out Dream while also cheating is very reminiscent of the fact that in relationships partners who accuse the other(s) of cheating are likely to be cheating themselves
Now the person that exposed him needs to be under a 24/7 camera surveillance
What if in reality every minecraft speedrunner was a cheater and the entire minecraft speedrunning website is one huge ponzy scheme to get more players into the game?
The true plot of this storyline.
more a scheme to make money off of streaming but go off chief
He was my inspiration too. His 2:56 1.14 SSG was what got me to where I am now. Kinda sad that I was watching a cheated run
same :/
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@@sbhnkThanks for the obvious.
If it is a consolation, you can at least say you did better then him :)
I knew as soon as I saw Lowest Percent’s video that Karl would weigh in on this too. It’s pretty amazing you can fire off these videos while dealing with those spurious lawsuits.
Thanks for this comment, you validated my sanity and let me know COVID hadn't damaged my brain this week 😅
I forgot that's where I heard about this, was about to say ANOTHER one?
THANK YOU, I had the same feeling as the other comments lol
I had to look in my history for the word "Minecraft" 😅
Phew, I was thinking that I already saw this video, looking in the comments to see if/why was this re-uploaded, completely forgetting that lowest percent also made videos about minecraft cheating.
I'd like to point out that '1 in 28 billion' probability is less likely than a rogue white dwarf crashing into the sun.
that... isn't reassuring
Why don't we just have an any %UseAnyCheatsNecessary category just to see who's the best at cheating?
Ohh, I like this idea.
This is one of the few channels that when a new upload is up, I will STOP what I'm doing and watch. Karl, can't wait for that full video on the lawsuits. Good luck!
It's always the folks who either have abused cheats before, or know the game very well that end up cheating.
It makes no sense to me to cheat since it's no longer your skill or your hard work and effort that brought you your success, it gets all thrown out the window once you commit to cheats.
It's all about the $$$. Minecraft youtubers make bank.
'Cheaters don't cheat to get fast times, they cheat to get times faster.'
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 not really. Karl Jobst has talked about this before. it's often skilled players who FEEL they deserve the wr but fail to achieve it due to rng or bugs or inconsistencies in their execution. I guess you can say they feel "cheated" by the game in a way, so they cheat their way to the top of leaderboards.
@@GoldenSunAlex that is absolutely the mental gymnastics at play in high level runners minds.
The better you are at something, the more frustrated you get at things like RNG, bugs, and inconsistencies in general.
speedrunning cheaters being outed is more entertaining than actual speedruns
Wonder what motivated him to look into Dream so closely. As a fellow cheater, you'd think he'd be less inclined. Did he feel threatened? Was his own cheating more justified in his head? It's so weird.
Considering he probably started cheating to beat his brother's times (confirmed cheater consistently got runs that are just a little faster than his brother's, hmm), this is a guy who wants clout and to feel unearned superiority. He was salivating at the thought of the clout that exposing a massive face in the community as a cheater would bring him without considering that he's giving away the secret sauce recipe. I imagine he arrogantly assumed he was smarter than everyone else and by exposing a fellow cheater it would place him "above suspicion" since he "hates cheaters". Unfortunately for him, he seems to have gotten lazy, it's almost more effort to keep the lie going than just to grind out the runs legitimately in the end.
My bet is he thought exposing someone else for cheating would improve his reputation and make him look less suspicious
After he discovered the cheating, he quickly recreated Dream's datapack and almost accidentally left it on in one of his streams. He talked about it and he wasn't shy about it. He was so blatant for so long (the splice, the dragon perches, talking about datapacks), it's incredible how much the trust people had in him protected him from people looking into it sooner.
The best way to throw people off your trail and make them think you're genuine is to expose others for the same thing!
@@bluegum6438 I think you can see that in the different methods of cheating. Dream had probabilities that were in the unimaginable number range. This guy had probabilities in the 1 in billions. Still unreasonably high, yes, but perhaps low enough to evade obvious detection (which it did, for a few years, until people actually put it under a microscope).
He knew the "too lucky to be true" is how he spotted dream, so he toned his down to be lucky...but not nearly THAT lucky
The fact he grassed in Dream whilst doing the exact same thing is gold!
Was he also exposed for listening to the song “Dupe - International “ ??
its really cool how people are able to figure out how a speedrunner could cheat with the help of statistics and knowledge of the game. the detective work is amazing!
Lets just imagine for a minute that MincrAvenger got caught cheating BEFORE he exposed Dream. How much longer would Dream's cheating gone unnoticed.
Probably forever.
Dream STILL to this day has people ON THIS VERY VIDEO defending him with bullshit like "hE DiDnT cHeAt oN PurPoSe!" or some people just flat-out DENYING he cheated at all.
Dream's toxic, sh%tty fans would have run roughshod over the rest of the community for years. They already did, just for a shorter amount of time.
And no, despite Karl saying he "believes" Dream didn't cheat intentionally, I don't buy it myself. Part of me is entirely sure that Karl is giving Dream the benefit of the doubt as a fellow content creator when in reality, he shouldn't.
Karl is subconsciously protective of Dream because he's afraid that if something like that happened with him, nobody would give him the "benefit of the doubt"
I mean, if we caught MincrAvenger due to the luck based stats, Dreams run wouldnt have been to far behind because we would be looking at the odds in lucky drop rates.
Dream is a toxic pos who knew his fanbase would go this far. What personally pisses me off, and even proved hes nothing more than his own fanbase; was the fact he went so far trying to disprove the cheating. Instead of just taking the lose and accepting he forgot his mods on.......
Like that shouldve been the first thought in his mind since he himself is a content creator right? He knows he plays with mods, and he knows forgetting is likely to happen. Most people I guarantee you wouldve gladly accepted the explanation of "smooth brain, I forgot to turn off a mod, my bad" than his whole "I never cheated fuck you all.....yeah.....Yeah I cheated I forgot I had mods"
@@deathberryjam907 Honestly believe that if he had just said "ok i had luck mods on, forgot to turn them off i'm sorry" people would be sus but he'd still be allowed to speedrun and people would generally accept it.
A comment disappeared before I could report it but it looked like someone took Karl's picture and pretended to be doing a giveaway. I hope that Karl sees this.
@@jraymond1988 probably because I reported it. I just made another one disappear.
Wait, you didn't mention that he began cheating to beat his twin brother 's speedruns? That's what I understood from another video on this from a weeks or two ago.
Karl, the truth is, YOU are a legend. Thank you for your years of entertainment and reporting.
Don't forget the 250 IQ genius he featured in the ad too lol
I think it goes both ways. In the world of RUclips, he is where his is by both his efforts and our support. But his efforts mean nothing if there's no support to show the fruit of his labor.
@@TheGravityShifter my post was for Karl to appreciate all he's done. He starts every video on a positive note by identifying the legends that are watching. We don't need you to rehash what he said or the common knowledge of us being legends. He needs to understand that HE is a legend on here due to the creative work and quality of videos.
I don't give much credit to RUclips creators because of crap people pump out. Karl's material is actually quality and insightful. Direct to the paint and clear.
“Dolphins are also random”
This sentence tickles me for some reason.
The teasing intro had me a nervous wreck, praying "please not Illumina, please not Illumina..." xD
papaBless our boy is pure as snow
Has it really be nearly 2 years since the Dream thing happened?? Time flies lol. I think that's back when I first started watching this channel!
At this point I don’t think even someone as experienced in the game as illumina would be able to cheat and not get caught. The minecraft community knowledge is way too good and will catch even the smallest pixel out of place
I don't know. All of those cheating methods don't seem the most sophisticated to me. Now that we know more details about the probabilities and the like, couldn't that allow it to simulate "good luck" more flawlessly? For example, make a mod that keeps the average amount of drops the same, but make it so that the run with above-average obsidian is also the run with above-average pearls and above-average blaze rods, so that the good luck isn't "wasted". Or the dolphin - how about making that one more likely? Would that be measurable at all? And also throw in some false negatives to even out the statistics. I can see plenty of potential...
Then again, thinking this hard about it would take an evil mastermind, and it seems most speedrun cheaters do so impulsively. Halfway through writing a complex cheat-engine they might start rethinking their life choices.
You are an absolute legend for using the mass effect map theme in the background
Amazing and astonishing that someone who helped uncover other cheaters... was cheating himself.
Probably why it was soo easy for him to notice the cheating that he too takes part in
It takes one to know one amiright
Its almost as if he does it on purpose for the irony of it.
While big, Dream cheating his speedruns would still be and possibly forever be the biggest cheating scandal in Minecraft.
I have a secret for you...
Almost all the top ranking Minecraft speedruns are made by cheating.
Don't tell anybody!
@@Reth_Hard Nobody will.
Because of his large following and his response, probably. If this guy had dream’s following though his scandal would be bigger since it spans 2 years and more significant records
I mean, yeah a lie about Dream cheating will probably always be the biggest scandal. Hell lying about someone cheating and then posting cheated speedruns is truly mind-blowing
@@trixon2118 Dream cheated lol
PSA. Don’t skip ads on Karls videos.
He’s having to fight a frivolous lawsuit against an alleged cheater. Any dollar amount would be helpful!
The ads only provide revenue if they're clicked on, not if they're skipped or not.
@@__The_Real_V__ nah RUclips pays him for advertising the site/app he gets more money though if the viewers click on it
Or do the free trial of Premium, watch every one of his videos with it. Premium watches are much more valuable than ad-supported ones.
It blows my mind the effort these people go through to cheat. Insane.
Hey man just a heads up, you should have legal grounds to counter-sue this guy once you’ve been cleared
The hilarious part about this for me, now that we can look back at this through a new set of optics.
He exposed Dream for cheating as a way to make himself the "better cheater". Can't have anyone else cheating, only me.
This phenomena isn't new either. There's always been people like this in competitive scenes. You'll have a handful of folks who cheat and one who wants all the glory for themselves and will call out the other cheaters despite being one themselves. Not only does it give them the glory. It makes them look credible and helps hide themselves as a cheater. At least, that's what they hope.
Because why would a cheater call out another cheater when it brings the microscope over themselves right? Many people just assume which is why so many do it and get away with it. lol
That's why Dream also used to caught cheaters before he was accused of being one
Among us logic
@@elmundodefergie5906 To be able to cheat though, one must first understand how to do it without getting caught. That's why Dream was able to catch them. Not just because he himself was a cheat. But also because he had studied the game for a long time.
13:20 actually that did happen to me once - my world somehow got deleted and when I created a new world, the same world appeared (with the chest contents and all that)
Welp, I suppose the saying "It takes one to know one" is the best way to describe how he knew Dream was cheating
Someone is going to go through the top records in many categories and they will find more and more cheaters, like what happened in that racing game not too long ago.