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Very helpful. I was actually looking for the name of the sound that the Mariachi makes, but this is helpful, because I can role my tongue some ways, but not always when speaking.
This is somewhat helpful, as I am trying to practice doing Cartoon Cat’s voice, (if you don’t know who he is just search “Cartoon Cat monster” or “Cartoon Cat Trevor Henderson”) and I always imagine him… not necessarily “rolling” his r’s, but more or less kind of… purring in the back of his throat whenever he says the letter r.
I have never felt more stupid than when trying to learn this damn trill. Sitting around huffing and puffing and making bizarre noises. God forbid anyone walk by while I'm doing my best impression of an epileptic cat.
Have you been able to accomplish it yet? I am a Spanish teacher. I was born in the US, but in 2nd grade was moved to Costa Rica. I heard my dad practicing what his language teacher told him to do: lay on your back on your bed, but scoot so your head hangs over the edge. Then practice words that have RR sound. It took him about 9 months to a year but was finally able to do it. Hang in there!
¡Claro que si! Dora la exploradora es mi prima. ¡Verdad! Estoy bromeando. jajaja 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes! Watching this cool and informative video reminds me of Dora the Explorer. Really! ha ha ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought his acting was kind of kooky in an interesting way but when he paused for a second while I said butter and then complimented me I burst out laughing, he channeled his inner blues clues, that is just awesome.
ROFL, yeah, reminded me of Blue's Clues too. And I don't think he took into account that people might not be doing the trill-arpeggio thing, on account of being too busy laughing...
Okay, I finally figured out how to do this and I have an extra piece of advice for the weary traveler, an epiphany that helped me figure it out after failing pretty hard for awhile. The epiphany did not arrive in this form (I realized part A after part B helped me to achieve success), but I have broken it into two pieces that will hopefully help anyone who was struggling in the manner that I was struggling. To people who can already make the sound: this information might sound extremely obvious (although I suspect it's possible that some of you intuitively grasped the roll movement without consciously breaking it down into tongue-generated action vs. sound-generated action [instead perceiving the action as a whole, thus observing simply that the "tongue must vibrate in a certain place"]), but I have a feeling I'm not alone in being formerly confused about this, so here goes: *A*: The vibration in your tongue that creates the rolling sound is not generated by your tongue. This means that when people say, "The tip of your tongue vibrates," they could also say, "Your voice vibrates the tip of your tongue." For me, this was a critical distinction. Intuitively, I was operating under the assumption that my tongue was supposed to generate the vibrational energy somehow, and I had no idea how I was supposed to move my tongue that fast. I am aware that he said something to the effect of "keep the tip of your tongue loose," but I did not take that to mean, "you are only controlling the placement of your tongue with your tongue." I just thought the tip of the tongue had to be quite loose for the tongue muscle to make the tip vibrate that fast. I did not go over the process very consciously at first, so I am not completely sure why I misinterpreted the process in that way. One guess is that it could be because I am so accustomed to speaking Lazy American, in which basically every new sound is a tongue movement (made with the tongue muscle), which perhaps lead me to expect that the sound is made by moving my tongue really fast. My impression was reinforced by the idea that saying "butter" really fast would help (like I'm supposed to practice moving my tongue fast), but I don't think that helped me. What helped me was the understanding that my voice produces all vibration, whereas my tongue is purely used to shape the flow of air (after which is remains in a fixed position); and, very importantly, the epiphany that occurred to me in the form of part B. *B*: Curling your tongue and moving the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth can each be used as tools which help to manipulate any vibrating tongue sound into a vibrating "r" sound. This is how I found success. Granted, it still took me a few minutes of serious concentration. I did not feel like saying "butter" to myself in the shower for the next three months like one kid said he did in his video. I will explain this strategy more thoroughly for those who would appreciate that. I should note that I did have an advantage in that I could already make a vibrating tongue sound in the back of my throat. If you can't do that yet, I recommend trying it, because I personally found it much easier to get that part of my tongue to vibrate rapidly. You can vibrate the back of your tongue by making an extended, arguably comical, "ehhhhhh..." sound, then raising the back of your whole tongue (no need to curl, yet) slowly toward the back portion of the roof of your mouth until it is close enough that the flesh of your tongue vibrates against the roof of your mouth *as a natural consequence of its close proximity to closing the gap entirely (dampening the sound to a moan) and the way you release your air.* This is key. When I was a kid making this sound, I think I assumed intuitively that I was moving my tongue muscle really fast. Now, I realize I am making that sound by vibrating my tongue against my mouth using my larynx to generate vibrational energy. For those who grew up in a family that allowed the sort of thing, vibrating your tongue in the back of your throat is very similar to the motion with which you gargle water. Transitioning from gargling water to continuing the vibration after you swallow might help. I'm calling this the "gargle sound" from now on. Now, assuming you can vibrate the back of your tongue against the back of your mouth with the gargle sound, you can move the vibration in the back of your tongue forward toward the tip of your tongue until you nail the sound he is doing in the video. Basically, you begin with the gargle sound, then slowly and carefully (maintaining the vibration between your tongue and the roof of your mouth) change the shape of your jaw and the placement of your tongue until you are forming an 'r' sound while the tip of your tongue vibrates against the roof of your mouth. A breakdown of the tongue relocation process might help you to move your tongue and jaw in just the right way: The 'r' sound results from having your tongue force a lot of the air around the outside of your mouth (around your teeth). You'll notice this if you just prolong the 'r' in 'robot' and feel the location of your tongue with your finger (centered near the roof of your mouth, forcing most air up, left, and right). Thus, curling your tongue is what naturally must happen in order to allow some air to pass between your vibrating tongue and your mouth. Growling through a gargle (the most serious kind of growl, obviously) makes an 'r' sound in which the back of the tongue is vibrating. If you make a growling, gargling 'r' and look in a mirror, you might be able to notice some modest tongue curvature during the formation of that sound toward the back of your tongue. If you begin with an 'r' growl and then slowly lift the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, you should be able to find a place where the tip of your tongue starts vibrating against the roof of your mouth. You will still probably be vibrating too heavily toward the back of your throat at this point, but once you have the back and tip of your tongue vibrating, it is simply a matter of reducing the amount of vibration in the back (by lowering that part of your tongue) while maintaining tip vibration until you have a nice, frontal, rolling 'r'. Man, I must be bored.
Oh my god! Your trick of vibrating the back of my tongue and moving the vibration to the front worked instantly! I never thought I would be able to do this. Thanks
Thanks, I still can't do it, but I did get closer than I ever had. I'm able to get it to flap a little by starting at an uvular trill and slowly curling and rearranging my tongue until its pressing up against my ridge. I'm getting more of a Z sound over the G throat sound, certainly nothing like the Spanish RR or standard trill. But I suppose I need to keep trying and practicing in order to turn that into an R sound. I wish somebody had told me this sound really had nothing to do with a alveolar flap beyond tongue position.
Your tip worked far better than any explanation I've had so far. I actually managed to get something approximating the correct sound almost on cue now. Thanks for making me feel like I might actually be able to do this.
Dude....thanks...cute and clever! This is the only method that's worked for me...it finally makes sense!! At last I can vibrate my tongue and roll my rrrrrrrrrs lol
Oh. MY GOD I NEVER THOUGHT I'D.... WOW. OMG. THANK YOU BRO OMG I DID IT FOR LIKE 2.5 SECONDS BUT IT WAS THERE AND YOU ARE A GOD... *Edit* Never again shall I make such a noise again. It was a one time deal, I guess. My tongue just flys forwards now.
Also a quick tip: Try making a zzzzzz sound, then move the sides of your tongue inside your teeth, as Justin explains at 5:35. Pull back the tip of your tongue just a bit and you can start to feel it vibrate!
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!! IVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS IN MY LIFE, I WAS ABLE TO DO IT BY 5:07 ON THIS VIDEO :D YOU ARE BY FAR THE GREATEST MAN WHO HAS EVER LIVED!!!!!! THANK-YOU SO MUCH!!!!
2:29-2:36 - that. Curling the front of your tongue up is key. Rolling the sides up is not necessary. You need to exercise your tongue to be able to make the hard R sound. You need to gain sufficient command of the currently-dormant muscles in and along the underside of your tongue's tip. Saying butter for hours on end might help. Not in producing the R you're after, mind you, but in training your muscles so that you eventually become able to make that sound. Here's another trick. Try to make kind of chirping sounds (like a parakeet) while squeezing air bubbles from saliva with the tongue's tip rolled-back and pressed against the roof of the mouth. To that end, stiffen your tongue while rolling its muscles just in the area that's in contact with the roof. Have a bite of an apple if your mouth becomes dry. Alternatively, do the following. Stick your tongue out about half-way and bend the tip slightly up. Press the underside of the tip againts the tips of your index and middle finger. Press with the tongue, not with the fingers. Keep pressing, then relax. Repeat. Change pressure. Apply hard pressure on the side of your index finger, then shift it toward the middle finger. Try rolling those tiny tongue-muscles side to side, then back to back. Of course, there will be no feedback or positive reinforcement, it may seem meaningless. Well, it isn't. Your tongue will become somewhat numb and your bottom jaw will start aching. Good. Means your tongue is getting the work out it needs. After a few months, perhaps weeks, attempt to pronounce a few Russian or Spanish rolling-R tongue-twisters and you'll be surprised at your success. It's best not to work with english-language words. After all, it's much easier to practice new speaking habits with unfamiliar words, rather then unlearn something you've been accustomed to all your life. FiInally, do not strive to "relax your tongue" and "let it flap". First, the tongue is not at all relaxed when the R is produced, it's just that different muscles are in play. Second, to roar out a series of trilling hard-R sounds in a row, one doesn't flap the tongue, one lets the muscles contract... on their own.
I think I might be doomed. I just... can't wrap my head and my tongue around it! D: As a native Dutch speaker I have used the uvular trill (the rolling R in the back of the mouth) instead of the alveolar trill (front rolling R) all my life, and it sounds really close. It's this sound: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uvular_trill.ogg I have also spent months learning how to pronounce and use the Japanese R, also known as the alveolar tap or flap. Which sounds much like a rolling R with one roll, so to say. (example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alveolar_tap.ogg Mine doesn't sound as nice as this, though) And of course I have mastered the English R too, as well as R-colored vowels and the related "Gollum accent". But despite this repertoire of R sounds I have never been able to pronounce a true proper front-of-the-mouth rolling R. And it saddens me a little not being able to pronounce various words from various languages the way they're technically supposed to. Including my own native language, for crying out loud!
I am a singing teacher and I've been through endless books and videos, and this guy knows what he's on about. The best teacher I've seen thus far! Keep up the good work mate!
Your techniques are way better than most on the web because you address the whole tongue, not just the tip. Brilliant technique! Thank you. Within 4 minutes, my trilled R's finally are successful!
Only you wish you could have heard my attempts.....I'm in the middle of city yet cows came down the road looking for the source. Will keep trying though, ~Thanx
I can vibrate my tongue against my teeth - instead of the "rrrr" sound that I want, I instead get a "trrrrrrrr" or "dddddrrrrrrrrr" sound. How do I fix this?
okay so..no luck but i can make the sound like the trill with the back of my throat (like that boy in "The Little Vampire"...idk how ) But could that be whats messing me up from doing it? When i try a tongue trill i keep automatically going to the back of my throat..
+amanda walk I was doing the same thing, but after some practice and watching this video I was able to pull the sound forward. My problem was having my tongue too relaxed around side and back as this video addresses. try practicing with "oh roh" to trill. 'o' makes your tongue rounded which makes it hard to trill with throat. from there, engage your back of your tongue and place your tip on the ridge.
Lol looking back at this, I'm now learning Korean, they have a bit of a twist with the L/R sound XD well not really as much as Russian and a few other languages I don't think but I blame English too!
This was incredibly helpful! I thought I could not do the tongue trill until this video. Tried and tried... It feels like the uvula is what is rattling, but even if that is the case, it is still relevant because it interacts with the tongue in some styles of singing. Thank you!
Thank you, this is excellent. I had thought that I was unable to do a tongue trill, but in less than ten minutes you had me doing them like a Frenchman! What did it for me was the velociraptor tip: before, I hadn't been using enough vocal force. (Now my throat is a bit sore, but it's a good sore!) As a former linguistics student, I appreciate the references to the places of articulation in the mouth, as opposed to the "just go like this" technique used by some people with half an idea about what they're doing. Like some others, I also came to this video because the tongue trill is the first prerequisite to performing the Chewbacca sound.
Thank you SOOO much. I am not a singer, although I have been trying to learn the rolled or trilled R for Spanish for almost a month now with little to no success. I have watched countless videos and look at countless websites and have failed with all. But in this video you made it seem SO simple and I caught on almost on my very first try using the blowing lips technique you showed in the video. I was honestly getting ready to give up on Spanish just because i couldn't learn to roll the R. I can not explain my gratitude to you. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Incredible! I have had difficulty getting this sound right my ENTIRE life! You won't believe how much you've helped me with this video. I have what is called a "bray", where I can't make the R trill but rather make more of a purring sound at the back to compensate. This is because my tongue's frenulum is shorter than your average person's, also making the tip of the tongue flatter than usual. I am from South Africa, and my native language is Afrikaans, which features the tongue trill in EVERY WORD WITH AN R!!! So you can imagine how embarrassing my childhood was, not being able to make this sound properly. The funny thing is that no-one has ever tried to teach me properly, until now. Your video has taught me how to achieve the tongue trill almost perfectly. I will be practising this on a daily basis from now on. Thank you so very very much!
My issue is that I have the "back of the tongue" down pat for different sounds, but always struggle with the tip of the tongue. I always had it just a tad forward and tensed to where I could get the trill going, but only with great force and through the right side of my tongue tip. Being drunk and participating through the video, I now understand that I just needed to tuck the tip of my tongue a tad further back and _presto_, I got the proper sound. Now to work with it for all the fantastic nothings I'll be doing with my new-found knowledge hahaha
Great effort mate and thanx...I'm going trrrru as many utub on RRRR i can - here the 4th and it's pretty good I'm already purrrrrring like a Spanish cat witch is already an achievement for me. But this need to be incorporated in a sentence and that's not the same neither as successful. My old Spanish learning had this sentence for practice El Perro de San Roque no tiene Rabot por que Ramon Ramirez se lo ha robado I can RRRRRRRRRRRR up and down like on your piano but can't use it here?
Okay, jus sayin, but the ''scottish'' accent you just did is actually a yorkshire accent. Scottish sounds totally different. The 'gr-eat' was sounded more scottish but still predominately yorshirean. Im northen, i know.
thechangingman8 he has a point, im from durham, UK. only 30 min to a hour drive away and that does sound a bit yorkshire ish but scottish is still good to help learn
Oh my god! I haven't started watching yet, but if this can make me learn how to roll R's (and I even come from a country who use this) Follow up question: I can't do it I think, but I end up making a similar sound from back of my throat (without my tongue hitting the pellet) is this something I can work with? Though I don't think it actually trains my tongue and ends up sounding like a cat purring or chewbacca. any suggestions?
I got a question, after practicing i can finally vibrate my tongue, but i can only do it against my front teeth and when i try it further back in my mouth it wont work (yet). Does this atleast mean im on the right track?
OMFG!! Thank You So MUCH!!! I am 38 years old and believed for a long time that I would never be able to roll my R's. I had a singing teacher try to show me 20 years ago and I didn't get it, and that's when I concluded I never would. Now after just three nights of watching this video and then practicing for maybe 15 minutes afterwards each time I have made major progress! So far I have the rolling tongue action going really well, but am still working on making the actual R sound I have the tongue going. It still sounds really hollow with too much "Hard H" sound in it, but I am not worried because each night I make so much progress, I am sure in a week or two it will be Grrrreat! ;)
Hello Justin, I've only watched 2 minutes of your video thus far. I wish to sincerely compliment you on your non-use of excessive "Well, you know, like, and, stuff like that, anyway?" For me, that renders most RUclips tutorials quite useless. It's too annoying! Thank you for doing all you can to preserve the well-spokenness of language!
*AGH* CANT DO IT HAHAHABSCEXEFEVSW i looked over countless videos im going through all stages of grief or something hahajbebehejshsh im going *mentally* insane
for some reason i can't trill the front of my tongue when i try the tips but i can make a similar sound using the back of my tongue, i think? its something a lot lower than the tip of my tongue and may just be my vocal chords vibrating? I don't really know how to explain it. it's very weird.
OMG! I have made sounds I had never been able to make! You are fab, I watched numerous videos to learn how to trill, nothing worked! Thx a lot PS: My tongue trills are a bit lower in notes, is that weird, or is it that everyone has different notes when trilling?
I have been trying to get this down forever and made by far the most progress on this video, however the only thing that i have a problem with is this raspy sound that comes from the back of my throat that I can't for the life of me figure out how to get rid of. Any suggestion anyone?
Still can't do it.. though I can roll my tongue and get it to the top of my mouth. The tip of my tongue never vibrated either really. I got a little close to a throaty gurgle that hurt my throat but I know that's a different sound (and couldn't really hit it well). I also ended up in a coughing fit while trying, hehe. That said even lip trills are somewhat hard for me.
I can do it and know how to do it consistently now after watching your video, but I have problems with words like "perro" where the rolled "R" is in the middle of the word, and "director" with the rolled "R" at the end. Do you have any exercises/tips for these instances?
Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean, Raj! If you want to talk to Justin about this, definitely consider his live chat! There's more info in our Community Tab. And we'll be having one this Sunday at 1PM EST. :) -NYVC
Hi Heather! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication to singing and VLTTW, we wish you well on your vocal journey! Practice, practice, practice :)
Thank you! I can't believe it - I always assumed I'd never be able to roll my R's. But Justin gave two tips that I haven't seen anywhere else: 1. Roll your tongue and speak like Dr. Evil. 2. Start by faking it with more of a French R, then try to get your tongue to flutter. My tip is to start without vocalizing. Once you can feel your tongue flutter, you're on your way!
Beautiful! Glad Justin can be of help to you! Hope you have subscribed because more are coming out next month. Justin gave me a sneak peak and it will be amazing, as always. -NYVC
THANK YOU! I've been struggling on trilling the R for years. As a lover of music, and a former choir, barbershop, and a cappella singer, I never thought to incorporate music to help me learn to trill the R. At first, listening to how you produce your trill I was thinking this sounded just like all the other videos I'd watched previously. But I found that when you incorporated the scale exercise it took my mind off focusing on producing the trill and it just happened. I trilled, albite with some challenge in the high register (I'm a bass), with just a little effort. The more I relaxed into the exercise the easier it became to produce the trill. I will use what I learned here to continue my musical, lyrical, and language learning journey. THANK YOU!
has anyone told you that you move your hands EXACTLY (and I mean EXACTLY) like broadway legend Stephen Sondheim?? I love watching your videos because it feels like I am learning from Sondheim himself! (this is supossed to be a compliment. sorry if it offends 😃)
You know, this is what certain cartoon and video game characters do and I actually wanna be able to do it myself because even though the rolled R may not be a cruicial element for like the Grinch and Wario they do tend to do it a bunch. So far what I gotten to trying to roll my R sounds is that it sounds a lot like I’m speaking through a voiced gargle. This is definitely require me some work to get it super solid but I think after a while I might just be able to do this right. It’s gonna be tricky because you have to like lift both the back and the front of the tongue and curl the front of the tongue against the sides of your mouth so that air can pass through and make the tongue kinda vibrate. I think I kinda did the rolled R but it sounds a bunch like a voiced gargle through an R sound lol. I bet this is going to be difficult for me to master and do right. It already took me forever to figure out how to do Ray Romano and Fozzie bears voices correctly or at clench and pull the tongue back right for their voices.
If I could like this twice I would! I couldn’t do all the thrills because my Rs can’t stretch that far, but my Rs sound much better already and I had a lot of fun following along!
Great video! You have a face for T.V., and appear to truly enjoy helping people with your excellent advice; which clearly shows you are a professional. Thank you for the help.
I'm from Norway, and my mind just got blown that there are people that actually have to learn this o.O I just asumed everyone knew, cuz it's so natural here
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Very helpful. I was actually looking for the name of the sound that the Mariachi makes, but this is helpful, because I can role my tongue some ways, but not always when speaking.
This is somewhat helpful, as I am trying to practice doing Cartoon Cat’s voice, (if you don’t know who he is just search “Cartoon Cat monster” or “Cartoon Cat Trevor Henderson”) and I always imagine him… not necessarily “rolling” his r’s, but more or less kind of… purring in the back of his throat whenever he says the letter r.
I have never felt more stupid than when trying to learn this damn trill. Sitting around huffing and puffing and making bizarre noises. God forbid anyone walk by while I'm doing my best impression of an epileptic cat.
lol...this is me now
awww :p an epileptic cat! cats make the noise every time they purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
My dog freaked when I tried this thinking I was growling at him...
epileptic cat! lmao i'm dying! XD
Have you been able to accomplish it yet? I am a Spanish teacher. I was born in the US, but in 2nd grade was moved to Costa Rica. I heard my dad practicing what his language teacher told him to do: lay on your back on your bed, but scoot so your head hangs over the edge. Then practice words that have RR sound. It took him about 9 months to a year but was finally able to do it. Hang in there!
"Now it's your turn!"
*silence*
"Verreeeeeee nice!"
I feel like I'm watching Dora The Explorer when he pauses and replys with 'that was good'
Lmaooo
Hayley Anne Muy bien everybody lol
Practice saying "Dora la exploradora".
¡Claro que si! Dora la exploradora es mi prima. ¡Verdad! Estoy bromeando. jajaja 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes! Watching this cool and informative video reminds me of Dora the Explorer. Really! ha ha ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought his acting was kind of kooky in an interesting way but when he paused for a second while I said butter and then complimented me I burst out laughing, he channeled his inner blues clues, that is just awesome.
ROFL, yeah, reminded me of Blue's Clues too. And I don't think he took into account that people might not be doing the trill-arpeggio thing, on account of being too busy laughing...
Probably the best part of the video
I am getting a serious 90's Dicaprio with this guy
I was literally about to comment this EXACT thing! ha!
Tayler Casch lol that's what i was thinking
Tayler Casch yes he is indeed a time traveler XP
omg same
if he had a baby with ed sheeran
Anyone else getting a mid-nineties Leonardo Dicaprio vibe?
OMG yes
OMG we think the same
Just sitting here not doing anything but I'm taking all the compliments xD
Okay, I finally figured out how to do this and I have an extra piece of advice for the weary traveler, an epiphany that helped me figure it out after failing pretty hard for awhile.
The epiphany did not arrive in this form (I realized part A after part B helped me to achieve success), but I have broken it into two pieces that will hopefully help anyone who was struggling in the manner that I was struggling.
To people who can already make the sound: this information might sound extremely obvious (although I suspect it's possible that some of you intuitively grasped the roll movement without consciously breaking it down into tongue-generated action vs. sound-generated action [instead perceiving the action as a whole, thus observing simply that the "tongue must vibrate in a certain place"]), but I have a feeling I'm not alone in being formerly confused about this, so here goes:
*A*: The vibration in your tongue that creates the rolling sound is not generated by your tongue.
This means that when people say, "The tip of your tongue vibrates," they could also say, "Your voice vibrates the tip of your tongue." For me, this was a critical distinction. Intuitively, I was operating under the assumption that my tongue was supposed to generate the vibrational energy somehow, and I had no idea how I was supposed to move my tongue that fast. I am aware that he said something to the effect of "keep the tip of your tongue loose," but I did not take that to mean, "you are only controlling the placement of your tongue with your tongue." I just thought the tip of the tongue had to be quite loose for the tongue muscle to make the tip vibrate that fast. I did not go over the process very consciously at first, so I am not completely sure why I misinterpreted the process in that way. One guess is that it could be because I am so accustomed to speaking Lazy American, in which basically every new sound is a tongue movement (made with the tongue muscle), which perhaps lead me to expect that the sound is made by moving my tongue really fast. My impression was reinforced by the idea that saying "butter" really fast would help (like I'm supposed to practice moving my tongue fast), but I don't think that helped me. What helped me was the understanding that my voice produces all vibration, whereas my tongue is purely used to shape the flow of air (after which is remains in a fixed position); and, very importantly, the epiphany that occurred to me in the form of part B.
*B*: Curling your tongue and moving the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth can each be used as tools which help to manipulate any vibrating tongue sound into a vibrating "r" sound.
This is how I found success. Granted, it still took me a few minutes of serious concentration. I did not feel like saying "butter" to myself in the shower for the next three months like one kid said he did in his video. I will explain this strategy more thoroughly for those who would appreciate that.
I should note that I did have an advantage in that I could already make a vibrating tongue sound in the back of my throat. If you can't do that yet, I recommend trying it, because I personally found it much easier to get that part of my tongue to vibrate rapidly. You can vibrate the back of your tongue by making an extended, arguably comical, "ehhhhhh..." sound, then raising the back of your whole tongue (no need to curl, yet) slowly toward the back portion of the roof of your mouth until it is close enough that the flesh of your tongue vibrates against the roof of your mouth *as a natural consequence of its close proximity to closing the gap entirely (dampening the sound to a moan) and the way you release your air.* This is key. When I was a kid making this sound, I think I assumed intuitively that I was moving my tongue muscle really fast. Now, I realize I am making that sound by vibrating my tongue against my mouth using my larynx to generate vibrational energy. For those who grew up in a family that allowed the sort of thing, vibrating your tongue in the back of your throat is very similar to the motion with which you gargle water. Transitioning from gargling water to continuing the vibration after you swallow might help. I'm calling this the "gargle sound" from now on.
Now, assuming you can vibrate the back of your tongue against the back of your mouth with the gargle sound, you can move the vibration in the back of your tongue forward toward the tip of your tongue until you nail the sound he is doing in the video. Basically, you begin with the gargle sound, then slowly and carefully (maintaining the vibration between your tongue and the roof of your mouth) change the shape of your jaw and the placement of your tongue until you are forming an 'r' sound while the tip of your tongue vibrates against the roof of your mouth.
A breakdown of the tongue relocation process might help you to move your tongue and jaw in just the right way:
The 'r' sound results from having your tongue force a lot of the air around the outside of your mouth (around your teeth). You'll notice this if you just prolong the 'r' in 'robot' and feel the location of your tongue with your finger (centered near the roof of your mouth, forcing most air up, left, and right). Thus, curling your tongue is what naturally must happen in order to allow some air to pass between your vibrating tongue and your mouth. Growling through a gargle (the most serious kind of growl, obviously) makes an 'r' sound in which the back of the tongue is vibrating. If you make a growling, gargling 'r' and look in a mirror, you might be able to notice some modest tongue curvature during the formation of that sound toward the back of your tongue.
If you begin with an 'r' growl and then slowly lift the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, you should be able to find a place where the tip of your tongue starts vibrating against the roof of your mouth. You will still probably be vibrating too heavily toward the back of your throat at this point, but once you have the back and tip of your tongue vibrating, it is simply a matter of reducing the amount of vibration in the back (by lowering that part of your tongue) while maintaining tip vibration until you have a nice, frontal, rolling 'r'.
Man, I must be bored.
Oh my god! Your trick of vibrating the back of my tongue and moving the vibration to the front worked instantly! I never thought I would be able to do this. Thanks
BLESS YOU I CAN SEE HOPE
Thanks, I still can't do it, but I did get closer than I ever had. I'm able to get it to flap a little by starting at an uvular trill and slowly curling and rearranging my tongue until its pressing up against my ridge. I'm getting more of a Z sound over the G throat sound, certainly nothing like the Spanish RR or standard trill. But I suppose I need to keep trying and practicing in order to turn that into an R sound. I wish somebody had told me this sound really had nothing to do with a alveolar flap beyond tongue position.
Your tip worked far better than any explanation I've had so far. I actually managed to get something approximating the correct sound almost on cue now. Thanks for making me feel like I might actually be able to do this.
So true I’m going to say gargle the front of my tongue from now on
Is this why he won the oscar
ongh
Lachie Wilcox hoho
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi my name is Leonardo DiCaprio 20 years ago, and I'm here to give you voice lessons.
This guy is making me feel awesome even through my utter failure attempting trills throughout the video.
😭I feel so dumb sitting here too
I sound like I'm choking lol rip
Can you do it now
So this is what Leonardo DiCaprio does with his off time
I can't do it 😥😢😭 I JUST SOUND LIKE A DYING GOAT
same
Duchess I do too 😂😂😂😂
It takes practice and time, I went to therapy for 3 years during elementary school to learn it
same :(
Dude.. You are the man. The Velociraptor technique worked, I was beginning to think I was genetically unable lol.
Amazing +Chris Hurst ! Keep up the great work!
I loved that dinosaur sound, amazing! You've cracked the sound barrier in teaching rolled rrrr's!
Dude....thanks...cute and clever! This is the only method that's worked for me...it finally makes sense!! At last I can vibrate my tongue and roll my rrrrrrrrrs lol
Oh. MY GOD I NEVER THOUGHT I'D.... WOW. OMG. THANK YOU BRO OMG I DID IT FOR LIKE 2.5 SECONDS BUT IT WAS THERE AND YOU ARE A GOD...
*Edit*
Never again shall I make such a noise again. It was a one time deal, I guess. My tongue just flys forwards now.
*Kit* HOW THE F CAN U EVEN SAY R
lol same i did it for like a half a second but can't replicate it anymore
but it gives me hope
I AM ONLY WATCHING THIS SO I CAN LEARN HOW TO IMPERSONATE CHEWBACCA
Yes.
Tommy Perez me too...i need it for the Babeli bass(or most people call it but I usually call it Contrix bass since contrix did it first)
Arch TK I see you all the time, infact I'm pretty sure I saw you in the World championship live stream ;).
LenChewbacca For me, I'd love to learn Elvish, but I can't roll my R's at all!
Same.
My parents are in the room
Me: Delelededadalalee
Parents: What are you doing????
Rolling my tongue (me)
You're failing (parents)
I must say you look like Leonardo Dicaprio... :D
+Shravan Nagarajan So TRUE!
He even SOUNDS a tad like Leo. It's as though they're cousins, lol.
Who's here cuz they tryna roll their tongue like desiigner
GIT GIT
thought i would be the only one, lmao
yup, dunno how to get from rrrs to dddds and hhhhhs. jks cant even do rrrrs
bruhhhh that's exactly why I'm here 4 real doe 😂😂 lmfao
same
"Try it out, say Scotland is great!"
*Silence*...
"There you go, that was nice!"
Lol! 🙈 -NYVC
Also a quick tip: Try making a zzzzzz sound, then move the sides of your tongue inside your teeth, as Justin explains at 5:35. Pull back the tip of your tongue just a bit and you can start to feel it vibrate!
I can start to trill but not if i'm doing it in the middle of a word (like perro)
Me too :) it just sounds like rolled hissing when I do it
I still can't do it
I Sound like im choking lol
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!! IVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS IN MY LIFE, I WAS ABLE TO DO IT BY 5:07 ON THIS VIDEO :D YOU ARE BY FAR THE GREATEST MAN WHO HAS EVER LIVED!!!!!! THANK-YOU SO MUCH!!!!
Ha ha! Takes one to know one! So glad we could be of service! :) Keep up the great work!
hey iam having trouble by doing it could you do an another video for more details
Okay, can't do it yet, but best tutorial I've tried.
Can you do it now
2:29-2:36 - that. Curling the front of your tongue up is key. Rolling the sides up is not necessary. You need to exercise your tongue to be able to make the hard R sound. You need to gain sufficient command of the currently-dormant muscles in and along the underside of your tongue's tip. Saying butter for hours on end might help. Not in producing the R you're after, mind you, but in training your muscles so that you eventually become able to make that sound.
Here's another trick. Try to make kind of chirping sounds (like a parakeet) while squeezing air bubbles from saliva with the tongue's tip rolled-back and pressed against the roof of the mouth. To that end, stiffen your tongue while rolling its muscles just in the area that's in contact with the roof. Have a bite of an apple if your mouth becomes dry.
Alternatively, do the following. Stick your tongue out about half-way and bend the tip slightly up. Press the underside of the tip againts the tips of your index and middle finger. Press with the tongue, not with the fingers. Keep pressing, then relax. Repeat. Change pressure. Apply hard pressure on the side of your index finger, then shift it toward the middle finger. Try rolling those tiny tongue-muscles side to side, then back to back. Of course, there will be no feedback or positive reinforcement, it may seem meaningless. Well, it isn't. Your tongue will become somewhat numb and your bottom jaw will start aching. Good. Means your tongue is getting the work out it needs.
After a few months, perhaps weeks, attempt to pronounce a few Russian or Spanish rolling-R tongue-twisters and you'll be surprised at your success. It's best not to work with english-language words. After all, it's much easier to practice new speaking habits with unfamiliar words, rather then unlearn something you've been accustomed to all your life. FiInally, do not strive to "relax your tongue" and "let it flap". First, the tongue is not at all relaxed when the R is produced, it's just that different muscles are in play. Second, to roar out a series of trilling hard-R sounds in a row, one doesn't flap the tongue, one lets the muscles contract... on their own.
at 7:40 I spit all over my phone
GODDAMNIT THIS VIDEO SAVED MY RUSSIAN. Thank you so much
Thank YOU for your incredible support! Stay tuned :)
Now i sound like parry the platipuss from phinias and ferb
I think I might be doomed. I just... can't wrap my head and my tongue around it! D:
As a native Dutch speaker I have used the uvular trill (the rolling R in the back of the mouth) instead of the alveolar trill (front rolling R) all my life, and it sounds really close. It's this sound: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uvular_trill.ogg
I have also spent months learning how to pronounce and use the Japanese R, also known as the alveolar tap or flap. Which sounds much like a rolling R with one roll, so to say. (example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alveolar_tap.ogg Mine doesn't sound as nice as this, though)
And of course I have mastered the English R too, as well as R-colored vowels and the related "Gollum accent".
But despite this repertoire of R sounds I have never been able to pronounce a true proper front-of-the-mouth rolling R. And it saddens me a little not being able to pronounce various words from various languages the way they're technically supposed to. Including my own native language, for crying out loud!
I am a singing teacher and I've been through endless books and videos, and this guy knows what he's on about. The best teacher I've seen thus far! Keep up the good work mate!
Your techniques are way better than most on the web because you address the whole tongue, not just the tip. Brilliant technique! Thank you. Within 4 minutes, my trilled R's finally are successful!
Thrilled to hear the good news Jeff! Thanks for the encouragement! - NYVC
Only you wish you could have heard my attempts.....I'm in the middle of city yet cows came down the road looking for the source. Will keep trying though, ~Thanx
when you said 'say butter' i justade random noises and nearly peed myself when you said 'that was good'
HaHA!
I sound like a dying fish.
I can vibrate my tongue against my teeth - instead of the "rrrr" sound that I want, I instead get a "trrrrrrrr" or "dddddrrrrrrrrr" sound. How do I fix this?
+Jacob Kim Make sure you're taking a really big breath! :)
I can kinda do it now....I think
You speak English natively? Because the dr sound to us is a trilled r to everyone else.
okay so..no luck but i can make the sound like the trill with the back of my throat (like that boy in "The Little Vampire"...idk how ) But could that be whats messing me up from doing it? When i try a tongue trill i keep automatically going to the back of my throat..
+amanda walk
I was doing the same thing, but after some practice and watching this video I was able to pull the sound forward. My problem was having my tongue too relaxed around side and back as this video addresses.
try practicing with "oh roh" to trill. 'o' makes your tongue rounded which makes it hard to trill with throat.
from there, engage your back of your tongue and place your tip on the ridge.
Same
When you said "Scotland it great" you just sounded like you was from Yorkshire hahahahah
He really does.
I've watched a dozen or so "how to trill the r" videos, and this one is by far the best. Thanks!
Can you do it now
Why is this so complicated
darn english made my mouth like concrete. i just wanna learn russian properly!! lol come on tongue work with me here!
(still trying) man this is like rocket science!
Same, because I'm learning Russian too
Same here лол
SlyBoy I am learning to speak Swedish, and I am having the same problem. I blame english.
Lol looking back at this, I'm now learning Korean, they have a bit of a twist with the L/R sound XD well not really as much as Russian and a few other languages I don't think but I blame English too!
This was incredibly helpful! I thought I could not do the tongue trill until this video. Tried and tried... It feels like the uvula is what is rattling, but even if that is the case, it is still relevant because it interacts with the tongue in some styles of singing. Thank you!
Thank YOU Don for your incredible support! We are so glad to hear of your successes, practice makes permanent! Wishing you well on your singing!
New York Vocal Coaching I can finnaly be designer
Thank you, this is excellent. I had thought that I was unable to do a tongue trill, but in less than ten minutes you had me doing them like a Frenchman! What did it for me was the velociraptor tip: before, I hadn't been using enough vocal force. (Now my throat is a bit sore, but it's a good sore!) As a former linguistics student, I appreciate the references to the places of articulation in the mouth, as opposed to the "just go like this" technique used by some people with half an idea about what they're doing. Like some others, I also came to this video because the tongue trill is the first prerequisite to performing the Chewbacca sound.
Yeah that inner velociraptor part was a key part
He reminds me of Leonardo DiCaprio in The Wolf of Wall Street xD.
Thank you SOOO much. I am not a singer, although I have been trying to learn the rolled or trilled R for Spanish for almost a month now with little to no success. I have watched countless videos and look at countless websites and have failed with all. But in this video you made it seem SO simple and I caught on almost on my very first try using the blowing lips technique you showed in the video. I was honestly getting ready to give up on Spanish just because i couldn't learn to roll the R. I can not explain my gratitude to you. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Incredible! I have had difficulty getting this sound right my ENTIRE life! You won't believe how much you've helped me with this video. I have what is called a "bray", where I can't make the R trill but rather make more of a purring sound at the back to compensate. This is because my tongue's frenulum is shorter than your average person's, also making the tip of the tongue flatter than usual. I am from South Africa, and my native language is Afrikaans, which features the tongue trill in EVERY WORD WITH AN R!!! So you can imagine how embarrassing my childhood was, not being able to make this sound properly. The funny thing is that no-one has ever tried to teach me properly, until now. Your video has taught me how to achieve the tongue trill almost perfectly. I will be practising this on a daily basis from now on. Thank you so very very much!
My issue is that I have the "back of the tongue" down pat for different sounds, but always struggle with the tip of the tongue. I always had it just a tad forward and tensed to where I could get the trill going, but only with great force and through the right side of my tongue tip. Being drunk and participating through the video, I now understand that I just needed to tuck the tip of my tongue a tad further back and _presto_, I got the proper sound. Now to work with it for all the fantastic nothings I'll be doing with my new-found knowledge hahaha
I can finally do this!!!!!! Now I can properly sing classical repertoires. Thank you.
I'm still workin' on it for the same reason. I'm gettin it better tho :)
(You might not think it from the fake account name, but yes I'm serious lol)
Can you do it now@@NearlyBatman
Great effort mate and thanx...I'm going trrrru as many utub on RRRR i can - here the 4th and it's pretty good I'm already purrrrrring like a Spanish cat witch is already an achievement for me. But this need to be incorporated in a sentence and that's not the same neither as successful.
My old Spanish learning had this sentence for practice
El Perro de San Roque no tiene Rabot por que Ramon Ramirez se lo ha robado
I can RRRRRRRRRRRR up and down like on your piano but can't use it here?
Okay, jus sayin, but the ''scottish'' accent you just did is actually a yorkshire accent. Scottish sounds totally different. The 'gr-eat' was sounded more scottish but still predominately yorshirean. Im northen, i know.
It was close enough
thechangingman8
I'm from Yorkshire. I know
thechangingman8 he has a point, im from durham, UK. only 30 min to a hour drive away and that does sound a bit yorkshire ish but scottish is still good to help learn
Oh my god! I haven't started watching yet, but if this can make me learn how to roll R's (and I even come from a country who use this)
Follow up question:
I can't do it I think, but I end up making a similar sound from back of my throat (without my tongue hitting the pellet) is this something I can work with? Though I don't think it actually trains my tongue and ends up sounding like a cat purring or chewbacca.
any suggestions?
That dinosaur killed me tho 😂😂😂
Ha! We like to keep it fun! -NYVC
I got a question, after practicing i can finally vibrate my tongue, but i can only do it against my front teeth and when i try it further back in my mouth it wont work (yet). Does this atleast mean im on the right track?
This guy is so nice and like how he keeps encouraging us and saying we’ll get this eventually makes me happy
That was the best explanation I heard so far. Didn't work though.
He is like Dora with pausing and replying that's good
Leonardo Dicaprio went from Acting to Climate change activist to Voice lesson teacher. Excellent.
Victoria Richards jajaja
I have to watch this video several times again because i spent the first time following his charm... 😍😍 I am going to marry you dude
OMFG!! Thank You So MUCH!!! I am 38 years old and believed for a long time that I would never be able to roll my R's. I had a singing teacher try to show me 20 years ago and I didn't get it, and that's when I concluded I never would.
Now after just three nights of watching this video and then practicing for maybe 15 minutes afterwards each time I have made major progress!
So far I have the rolling tongue action going really well, but am still working on making the actual R sound I have the tongue going. It still sounds really hollow with too much "Hard H" sound in it, but I am not worried because each night I make so much progress, I am sure in a week or two it will be Grrrreat! ;)
WHY/HOW ARE YOU SUCH A GOOD COACH
The roof of my mouth is really small and all I get is a whistle
Aha! That works! :) -NYVC
If my singing teacher was a encouraging as you I might not have quit ffs
That is such a nice complement! Hopefully you'll find a new teacher. Or perhaps voicelessonstotheworld.com/page/vocal_course -NYVC
Hello Justin, I've only watched 2 minutes of your video thus far. I wish to sincerely compliment you on your non-use of excessive "Well, you know, like, and, stuff like that, anyway?" For me, that renders most RUclips tutorials quite useless. It's too annoying! Thank you for doing all you can to preserve the well-spokenness of language!
*AGH* CANT DO IT HAHAHABSCEXEFEVSW i looked over countless videos im going through all stages of grief or something hahajbebehejshsh im going *mentally* insane
That's okay!! For some people it is physically impossible to do. So if nothing is working it's okay! Lip Trills are also good! -NYVC
@@NewYorkVocalCoaching yeeeh I been practicing other stuff now :/
Panda
only reason i looked this up
for some reason i can't trill the front of my tongue when i try the tips but i can make a similar sound using the back of my tongue, i think? its something a lot lower than the tip of my tongue and may just be my vocal chords vibrating? I don't really know how to explain it. it's very weird.
Interesting observation, Justin is proud of your hard work and encourages you to keep practicing! Wishing you well from NYVC!
"Yep, just like that, that's good." Thanks dude but I didn't do anything
OMG! I have made sounds I had never been able to make! You are fab, I watched numerous videos to learn how to trill, nothing worked! Thx a lot
PS: My tongue trills are a bit lower in notes, is that weird, or is it that everyone has different notes when trilling?
i only wanted to learn this so i could do the chewbacca voice
I have been trying to get this down forever and made by far the most progress on this video, however the only thing that i have a problem with is this raspy sound that comes from the back of my throat that I can't for the life of me figure out how to get rid of. Any suggestion anyone?
Hmm. Hard to say without seeing it. Perhaps you are letting your tongue slip backwards? -NYVC
what the fuck i can do trills now, none of the other video tutorials worked but this one did, holy shit! thank you!
Amazing! We're so happy this episode helped you! Keep up the awesome work Khloe! -NYVC
Still can't do it.. though I can roll my tongue and get it to the top of my mouth. The tip of my tongue never vibrated either really. I got a little close to a throaty gurgle that hurt my throat but I know that's a different sound (and couldn't really hit it well). I also ended up in a coughing fit while trying, hehe. That said even lip trills are somewhat hard for me.
+Jennifer B Keep up the great work!
New York Vocal Coaching
thanks!
he looks like if ed sheeran and zac effron had a baby
Me: HUUUUUUUUU...
*breathes in*
...
HUUUUUUUUUUUEHH...
...
*breathes in*
LRRRRRRRRR
*GASP*
*MOMMMMM*
😄 -NYVC
I can do it and know how to do it consistently now after watching your video, but I have problems with words like "perro" where the rolled "R" is in the middle of the word, and "director" with the rolled "R" at the end. Do you have any exercises/tips for these instances?
Help!
While doing toungue trills
I an sounding like race cares😅
What should I do?
Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean, Raj! If you want to talk to Justin about this, definitely consider his live chat! There's more info in our Community Tab. And we'll be having one this Sunday at 1PM EST. :) -NYVC
I could kiss you right now I finally got it. Accomplishment of the year for me
CONGRATULATIONS! Keep up the incredible work! -NYVC
Not only Spanish and Italian language, but also the scandinavian languages, and Russian.
Even certain dialects of French!
Thought the title was gonna say, "How to roll your R like Desiigner"
I can't seem to get the sides of my tongue to do it. When I curl my tongue I can only ever curl it one way and not the other. :/
Hi Heather! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication to singing and VLTTW, we wish you well on your vocal journey! Practice, practice, practice :)
"theres 2 requirements"
lift ur tongue - check
curl your tongue - oh shit
Ha! :) -NYSC
This guy is one of the most helpful vocal coaches on youtube, very clear and discriptive
Wow, now I can trill my K! Wonderful! so how do i roll my R again?
:) -NYVC
Thank you! I can't believe it - I always assumed I'd never be able to roll my R's. But Justin gave two tips that I haven't seen anywhere else: 1. Roll your tongue and speak like Dr. Evil. 2. Start by faking it with more of a French R, then try to get your tongue to flutter. My tip is to start without vocalizing. Once you can feel your tongue flutter, you're on your way!
Beautiful! Glad Justin can be of help to you! Hope you have subscribed because more are coming out next month. Justin gave me a sneak peak and it will be amazing, as always. -NYVC
Nobody:
Me at 2am: SCOTLAND IS GREAT
Lol! -NYVC
lesson is at starts at 3:00
I can’t do it. Nothing works. I’m just gurgling
You can do it Abbie! Sometimes it takes a long time! -NYVC
Him: Try it out!
Me: 👁👅👁
Him: *Very Nice*
Lol! -NYVC
THANK YOU! I've been struggling on trilling the R for years. As a lover of music, and a former choir, barbershop, and a cappella singer, I never thought to incorporate music to help me learn to trill the R. At first, listening to how you produce your trill I was thinking this sounded just like all the other videos I'd watched previously. But I found that when you incorporated the scale exercise it took my mind off focusing on producing the trill and it just happened. I trilled, albite with some challenge in the high register (I'm a bass), with just a little effort. The more I relaxed into the exercise the easier it became to produce the trill. I will use what I learned here to continue my musical, lyrical, and language learning journey. THANK YOU!
We're so glad this helped you, Murry! Keep up the great work! -NYVC
has anyone told you that you move your hands EXACTLY (and I mean EXACTLY) like broadway legend Stephen Sondheim?? I love watching your videos because it feels like I am learning from Sondheim himself! (this is supossed to be a compliment. sorry if it offends 😃)
That's so interesting! We'll pass this along to Justin! -NYVC
You know, this is what certain cartoon and video game characters do and I actually wanna be able to do it myself because even though the rolled R may not be a cruicial element for like the Grinch and Wario they do tend to do it a bunch.
So far what I gotten to trying to roll my R sounds is that it sounds a lot like I’m speaking through a voiced gargle. This is definitely require me some work to get it super solid but I think after a while I might just be able to do this right.
It’s gonna be tricky because you have to like lift both the back and the front of the tongue and curl the front of the tongue against the sides of your mouth so that air can pass through and make the tongue kinda vibrate.
I think I kinda did the rolled R but it sounds a bunch like a voiced gargle through an R sound lol. I bet this is going to be difficult for me to master and do right. It already took me forever to figure out how to do Ray Romano and Fozzie bears voices correctly or at clench and pull the tongue back right for their voices.
For Leonardo's sake it actually worked!
this guy has the right attitude,the right advice,the right way to teach. good job.
If I could like this twice I would! I couldn’t do all the thrills because my Rs can’t stretch that far, but my Rs sound much better already and I had a lot of fun following along!
If my throat hurts doing the trill am I doing it wrong ?
Is that because the very back of your tongue kinda itches there?
Great video! You have a face for T.V., and appear to truly enjoy helping people with your excellent advice; which clearly shows you are a professional. Thank you for the help.
I'm from Norway, and my mind just got blown that there are people that actually have to learn this o.O I just asumed everyone knew, cuz it's so natural here