So just a heads up guys!: First off: I just want to say I have been working a lot more on part 4: Lots of research. I AM ALSO DOING SOMETHING IN BETWEEN! I am going to be sitting down with Wisedrums on his PODCAST TOMORROW! I wanted to ask you guys if you had any questions? We will be trying to answer them on the podcast!! They can be Theory related, anything that you want really! IF YOU WANT YOUR QUESTIONS ASKED ON THE PODCAST: go ahead and just reply to this post! and I will get them over to him so we can review them! Thank you guys for your continued support. Its going to be fun!
Assuming everything that's been deduced thus far is correct, do you think Sephiroth could theoretically have "traveled" back to ANY point in time? Him choosing the onset of FFVII as his destination certainly makes sense, but do we think there is anything beyond utility (both in universe and out) that informed the choice?
Loveless seems to be very important. That said, it is mentioned that there are many interpretations to the fifth act. Does this mean multiple endings, or a more ambiguous ending than the original? Also, Genesis's design was used for ff record keeper last year, they could be setting up for return. What do you think?
27:40 The Cetra's connection to water: I just want to add this side note, that Aerith is born on February 7th, which makes her an Aquarius, i.e. The Water Bearer. 😉
@@charliewild2367 Yep, I know. But Aquarius is perfect for her; bringing the water, watering the flowers, etc. As for her being an air sign: her first limit break is Healing Wind. 😉
@charliewild2367 I'm a tad late but aint the Lifestream also associated with wind besides water? For what I understand water is cycle of life and death and wind is cycle of time and fate. Life and time is temporary but fate and death is absolute, all of it represents the flow of the Lifestream
Diving into ff7 lore is intense and requires a lot of research so thank you for taking on the challenge and tackling it to the level of detail you're depicting in these videos
Lol I am so glad that the theory reveals had that kind of impact! that kind of stuff is awesome to hear! we will try and take it to 11 in pt 4! Thank you for being so supportive! and thanks for commenting!
The cycle of Ragnarok and rebirth makes so much sense. Especially that the world is reborn in water. I think it helps to make a connection between the world of 7 and 10 also.
A lot of these theories are interesting. But I’m worried it will turn into another game of thrones, where the theories turned out better than the actual story lol. Expectations were high, then we all got super disappointed when it turned out to be not as complex as we thought. Lol
it could all become some awful mess. but I hope that with all of these details that are sprinkled through out the games, that it won't be wasted effort. I think it would be cool to have all of that contents lore built upon in some way! We will see though! Thanks for watching and commenting!
this is why we need this dude to collab with other FF Lore experts like Max Dood, so that they could really discuss where this series is really going and if they did dive too deep
I always start these videos with "that sounds ridiculous" but you manage to provide a convincing argument every time lol. I knew of the name similarities like Midgard=Midgar, Niflheim=Nibelheim, etc but I hadn't thought to make the connection to other parts of Norse mythology. Who knows if it'll all become true but its a very interesting topic regardless. Thanks for the awesome video as always!
Yea honestly, I was planning on the video being something else, but there was just so much to say about the one subject that it kinda just turned into a conversation about it! I think this will be more of an up to the half way point reveal. there is still a lot more going on with the story than just Gotter...but we will be talking about that stuff soon enough! I think the same thing when I make those intros too...lol they all can be a little ridiculous! Thanks for your continued support!
@marcus24000 I will tell you what Marcus. Your thinking is not too far off from what I have been speculating myself. Were going to be returning to Sephiroth, Jenova, and Minerva in the next video. and take a very hard look as to how this all works. I appreciate you being so engaged, I see your other comments and I will be trying to get to those as well! Thanks for Watching / Commenting!
When I was younger and didn't know as much about Norse myth, I always thought Nibelheim was a play on Nephilim; Men and Angel hybrids, because they were making Man/Jenova Hybrids there and Sephiroth became a One Winged Angel because of Jenova cells.
To me, loveless is a story of the final fantasy series itself. You notice that every game occurs in a different point in history, but have a similar arc to them. This could be the 2000 year cycle reoccurring. Take FF 6 for example. Terra is a member of an ancient race that is linked with Espers, which are summons, and Kefka destroys the world by moving the three summoners (or fayths) contained in the statues that are literally "dreaming" the world. Each game follows a similar story arc, but uses different words for the ancients and the summons, because they happen in different cultures, even sometimes on different planets. They are all in the same universe with the same metaphysics.
I remember the ending of the last part of the FF XIII. That their world dies and they kill what is suposed to be some god or something and then they forge a lifeforce akin to the lifestream from the souls of the people and travel to a new planet (that happens to be our earth). kinda like the Weapons from Dirge of cerberous are suposed to do.
I will admit that I don't have a wide spread knowledge of FF as a whole, but there are things such as the King Behemoth that comes to mind as recurring elements. so although I don't have that knowledge, I come across it a lot in my research. That some patterns are not FF7 exclusive, but range from the entire series of FF as a whole. These ones can be frustrating at times because you think your onto something but then just find out that its more of a nod to other FF games. Maybe a video on that 20 years down the line when I am done talking about FF7 and Remake and have absorbed the other games? I will say that as something to contribute to what your saying. in the original FF7 there were documents describing Three Priests, which seems to mirror what you said about FF6. I would not be suprised that going from here into other FF games I will have a huge amount of time to myself wondering what connections to the others are. This comment is definitely a good starting point for that. Thank you very much for this comment, sorry it took my so long to get to it, but I really enjoyed reading it and appreciate you taking the time to make it!
Regardless how much of all this factors into the actual game, the quality of your analysis stands alone. These videos have been a masterclass in deep dive, evidence-based conjecture. Part 4 can't come soon enough!
You just became a FF7 prophet, congratulations :) Those videos were just what I needed to rediscover my favorite game story through a new lens This really felt refreshing Thank you so much
I agree. as I have kind of done through out these videos is go into more and more of what the underlying effects are to things that we have been seeing. A lot of context building, but that portal absolutely needs more attention on it. Thank you for watching! and commenting!
Again, your ability to tie all these things together in a way that's easy to follow, informative, and enjoyable is something few can pull off, considering how much material there is to go through, and how long your videos are. Congrats on passing 1k subs! Here's to many more.
Thank you Boulder! Its awesome to get so much support from you guys from the very beginning. There is still a lot to get through too T. T Thank you for the congrats! here is to hoping for all of us!
As someone’s who’s extremely familiar and aware of the compilation of FFVII - you have absolutely blown my mind so far. I thought I knew a lot but you just made me love this particular series that much more.... not to mention the absolute immense amount of respect I have even more for the developers
a lot of these connections seem like sincere expressions from the love that the developers have for this game. and I am more than happy to go looking for more of those loving placements through out this game and future titles! I am glad to have brought some of this to the table to share with you guys! Thank you so much for commenting! and thank you so much for your support!
Nailed it again!! Man what can I say... this game means so much to me and diving SO DEEP into it just blows my mind and I love the game even more than I already do! I'll post you on Reddit again! People NEED to see this. I hope we can grow much more appreciation towards the game, the team behind it and people with dedication like you!
Snu Snu, thank you so freaking much! I super appreciate the support! I am hoping that part 3 doesn't deter people from part 4, I understand that it might muddy the water for some people. but I cannot stress this enough! it will all be explained, and nothing I have said is being altered. all of it is relevant and things wont be as certain as they are made out to be!
@@Sleepezi No problem mate! I saw that you've already answered to my reddit post! I'm super excited for some discussions and your next video! I could listen to stuff like that for hours!
Was about to go to bed but was pleasantly surprised to see part 3. And so glad you almost to 1000. Such a crazy achievement done in so quick of a time and with such an amazing set of quality work here! Gonna blast a few more people on twitter to get you there.
It took me all day to get it out, wanted it to be here earlier but I thought it was good to get it to you guys asap! You definitely contributed to the growth! I can't thank you enough! Thank you thank you thank you!
This is where you lost me...if the cycle is supposed to play out the same no matter what happens then what is the point of Minerva sending Aerith messages? What is the difference between her being clueless like in OG and her having knowledge like in Remake? What even are the stakes? This theory seems to have none. Aerith still dies. Humanity still dies. The cycle starts over. What is my incentive to follow the story of these alternative timeline characters and their struggles if there is no stake I can put on them changing at least humanity’s destiny? Or at least Aerith’s? Nostalgia? Sorry but this part lost me...
I knew that after making this particular video that people would be torn on the idea that "why would you set up everything to be something new, and take it away." Part 1: mentions Sephiroth breaking away from destiny. (there is a reason I didn't bring him up in part 3 really. and what his role is now.) Part 2: is meant to give us more context for the structure of what that destiny is. and Part 3: is meant to cover that this structure cannot simply be broken just by the defeat of the harbinger. I think that there are things still left to discuss this. I understand the way it is presented in the video is to try and ease peoples minds about massive changes: but the way I see it is, and part 4 will hopefully take care of this, is that Remake will settle in the middle somewhere. Different, but the same. So don't take this as the final nail in the coffin on my opinion of an unchanging destiny. there will be more to talk about. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch this, I appreciate the time you have taken to write this out, and express your dislike for the way that things are. but know that this isn't the end of this discussion, and there is a load more to talk about. I planned on making this a 2 hour video, so think of the next video as a way of concluding more of the ideas brought up in this video. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Sleepezi it’s not that I dislike your video or theories I liked the majority of everything I just was stating that as narratives go IF this was the last part I’d say that this would be bad story telling just because of the reasons in my previous comment. Stakes are very important in a story and the way this was presented I was trying to understand what they could be or if there were any basically by ranting about it in a comment. I’m still curious to see what is next and I’m curious to see where they go next and how correct you are with your theories because most seem plausible and well thought out!
@@Sleepezi If I've understood correctly, I'm completely onboard with the repeating cycle. However to be more specific, the Harbinger was the most direct influence/cause of that. With him removed, that 'method' of identical cycle repetition is now defeated. So things CAN happen differently now. HOWEVER, even without Harbinger the planet is still eventually destined to die/burn and be reborn. BUT the way that this happens can be different now. Does it need to be due to Meteor? Not necessarily. Either way this would be a great direction for the story because who is the ultimate villain here? Minerva who wants the planet to burn and reset the cycle, or Sephiroth who wants to break this cycle and save the planet from burning? Could this be the basis of Sephiroth's redemption arc?
the point isn't whether she lives or dies, it's a question of what chain of events is changed with her knowledge before she dies, one minor change could be the change needed for jenova to win the cosmic war against the centra
@@AnthonyKagegariVT No I agree with you, and think you've brought up several great points here in your comment. I don't think this points out weak analysis on Sleepezi's part, but weak WRITING from the FF7 writing and direction team. I hate what the remake did, personally, (and to a lesser extent the Compilation) but Sleepezi's analysis is really good at exposing and dissecting the deeper implications of the writers' lore references, even though they're conveyed incredibly poor through the actual narrative beats of the games and movie.
Absolutely love these lore/theory deep dives. I sincerely hope that the plans for the remake get even as close as some of these theories. Compelling stuff.
My mind is completely blown after 3 parts......just wow. What a journey. Extremely well done and you provide some awesome evidence. Just wow. I got lost in these. Looked up at the clock and over 3 hours gone lol.
lol Its so cool to hear so many of you guys doing this! I find myself doing it for other peoples content, so when I hear that you guys are doing it too for these vids its just: MAN SO COOL! I am so glad you enjoyed them to the extent that you did, its so crazy. Thank you for watching! Truly!
That is mindblowing to hear. its unbelievable that any of the videos have gotten any attention just due to the length. its so crazy to then have you guys watching them back to back is just...well its awesome! Thank you Ronald. I am so glad you enjoyed. and thank you for your support!
Not in my mind, no it is not. I think that its these elements that associate to what Minerva (the will of the lifestream) is controlling to manipulate those to her advantage, in the same way Jenova manipulates those with her cells. These entities to me seem to operate similarly even though depicted on opposite sides. Which is what I find the most interesting about the dynamic that seems to be appearing in Remake and the Compilation! Thank you for watching Jordan!
Gotta say I am very impressed with your break down of this game. Your mental capacity is been put on center stage for us to witness in these videos. You are very bright young man. And I thank you for giving this to us. There’s no way in a million years I could have dissected FF7 compilation the way you have. Looking forward to any more videos you put out!
I can hardly keep the story straight myself sometimes, there is a lot of moving parts to keep track of, but for the most part its all so much fun! and its a pleasure to be able to break any of it down forr you guys!
Congrats on 1k subs dude! I love this series and it has been a great source of entertainment ever since I finished playing the Remake. It really has emphasized my excitement for the next game, regardless whether Square Enix decides to go in this deep or not.
I am right there with you on the excitement for next installments! and I am glad to share that excitement with you guys! and thank you! 1k is all thanks to you guys! and its been an awesome pleasure to read and talk to you guys! hopefully in the future I will have livestreams where we can talk more directly about stuff! Thanks again!
Brilliant series. You've provided the best breakdown and analysis of the overall story of FF7, and I'd argue that this is some of the best content I've ever seen on RUclips. Fantastic work!
The amount of work is incredible. I love this game so much and without watching the movie or playing any other games or reading books I had no idea what was happening. It’s difficult to go back and go through everything now (esp dirge) so I’m so grateful to you. Love your theories. They seem so in line with what the writers have been saying. 👍 thanks again. Can’t wait to hear more thoughts!
I am glad that I can give you guys a taste of the compilation in a more bite sized version in terms of its relivance to Remake. That being said: I might do more in depth discussions on those individual games / movies / books in the future, so that we can squeeze out everything we can as far as meaning from them. might be easier to do that just through looking at them individually. we will see! lets hope these videos land somewhere in the ballpark of what Square is thinking, that would be really exciting! Can't wait to get more out there to you guys! Stay tuned!
very cool how ya selected tracks while telling the story .. good choices too ie ; 13:50 :D ok back to watching i’m sure i’ll wanna say something later so imma jus edit this ^^ ya man you should really become a writer or work for some industry where your able to speak freely and creatively like you have.... for sure~ i don’t even read books but damn maybe i would if it was as good as these audio book like lore.. not everyone has patient puzzle solving collective skills with imagination. that’s a gift. wish i could help somehow i’m just ranting in awe of the work... i enjoy it more then most movies / series to watch. prolly cause i love final fantasy always have since 3-4 ~ this is best detailed information ever i say context on buddy context on! and for me it seems the final fantasy community is prolly one of the most expressive and feedback sort of people from just seeing comments and having ideas and so forth so your a big help to questionable ideas for sure~ you earned the gain of respect i’m sure by many so thank you and look forward to part 4 .. sorry for the long segway speech :) hopefully i’ll have a question for ya next time , and if you have a psn ID , please add me teky-1 (off topic) once again thanks forgot i could use send for spacing words :/ oops ps. the whole minerva connection is very cool
I just noticed you thanking max doods at the end. Glad to know he saw your videos man. Great research! I can’t wait for part 4 and 5. I hope square Enix manage to find your videos and maybe invite you play part 2 demo 😆
Thank you so much! I really think that this is the start of something awesome! but its all thanks to you guys! Thank you, and I seriously appreciate your support. it means a lot!
Just finished watching all 3 parts. Have to say great work dude. I been diving into the lore since finishing the game. Really appreciate the work u put into this, altho some of the theories are a bit far-fetched but even if 70% are true it's amazing work dude. Subscribed 👍🏻
Just binge watched all three parts back to back. Couldn’t get enough of your theory videos. It honestly makes me love ff7 compilation so much more! I really hope that a lot of your theories will be realised in the next parts of FF7 remake. I am slightly concerned that a lot of the people who complained about the ending of FF7 remake and that the game wasn’t a like for like, will influence the next parts and return to a more like for like game. I hope that doesn’t happen as it would be a shame to have so many references to all the things you mentioned and nothing to come of it. Oh and by the way, your pronunciation of “Götterdämmerung” isn’t perfect but really not that bad. For a non-German speaker you did pretty well 😉 thanks for your hard work in putting this together.
Wow, just mind blown by all of this information, cannot wait for the next video! Thank you for putting this all together btw, amazing stuff ^_^ I will check out your involvement with the Wisedrum's podcast for sure in the meantime.
These have been absolutely phenomenal! I think you may give square too much credit, and I believe you don't get enough! I can only hope square is managing to visualize half of what your putting down.. if the scope of your theories and assumptions are of the magnitude I've witnessed so far.. well shit, I think square may even struggle to contend with these ideas lol God damn you need to become a video game developer and show the jrpg genre how it's done.. these are fantastic so far! You have literally shown me that I didn't know half as much about my favorite story of all time that I thought I did.. and I'm not even mad at that! Haha a little late to the party but thanks for these, glad I still have a few more to watch!
I love your videos man, and I know I'm a bit late to the party but I have to ask: What is the song playing at 41:38? I feel like I've heard it before but I'm not too sure...
Bruh I have to come to the comments at the beginning cuz after ur intro I'm locked in till the end and won't even comment! The music is Intense 🔥 and on point! Love it!!!👍🏾
This is a remarkable video series. The research, the insight, it’s mind-boggling. You may be building to this in a future video, so I apologize if you’re ahead of me, but for my part I think you’ve spot-on diagnosed what’s going to be revealed in the ur-story’s second act, but I disagree about how it will all end. I’m thinking specifically of Final Fantasy XIII’s own compilation, The Matrix Trilogy, and any time loop story when I speculate that the climax of any narrative revealing an endless cycle of events is the ultimate breaking of the cycle. FFVIIR, I suspect, is going to re-depict most of the story of the original game because 1) they won’t know they’re doing, 2) once they do know, they’ll be causing it anyway, and 3) all hope must be lost before the goal changes and freedom is gained. So in my mind, the final battle with not only Sephiroth, but the Planet’s wheels of fate itself, will end with Cloud and co saying “whatever happens to us, to people, to the planet, must be in our hands. Salvation or doom, we must be free.” Part One’s ending thematically references this, but I think the grander design will reinforce it.
Hmmmm. I see the inspiration of ff7 with the mythology of Norse. But while the events according to Ragnarok is too have the events play out the same no matter what they do to try and change fate, sephiroth and cloud imo are they keys to changing this. In the Japanese version when cloud meets sephiroth at the edge of creation he mentions the 7 seconds until the end but then says " but we can still make it" "the future is up to you cloud". This was the unknown sephiroth, the supposed AC sephiroth. Meaning that these 2 are most likely going to have enough insight to change things. Sephiroth you stated is extremely dangerous because of his power and knowledge and I agree. Now that fate has been destroyed he can go all out to destroy the planets desires Then there's cloud with his premonitions of the future. 3 times he saw aerith praying to activate holy but he can't look too ahead based on what sephiroth stated "that which lies ahead doesn't exist". If cloud has enough knowledge and these premonitions in remake are explained, he can potentially change things. But we'll see
I do agree that their roles will be very VERY important to the events of change moving forward. The insight I think will become more and more apparent as we talk more about Sephiroth in the future. And.... I can't agree more with what you said in the last part of your comment. Lol this was a fun read. I think were on the same page on this one. Thanks for watching, and again thanks for commenting!
The Goddess was always a character that fascinated me when I first played crisis core and for the longest time wondered if they would ever elaborate on her or genesis. So honestly I really enjoyed remake and it’s references to the compilation. Honestly hoping that we get to see her further developed as the remake continues.
52:50 I completely agree with you on the chain of events that has happen and what might happen later. Nothing on the path will change in Remake, but the events to come will still happen as what the planet has planned, but because the Whispers aren't there anymore the Planet will do whatever it takes to make sure they are on Destiny's course. Even if it means making many detours along the way to eventually veer the party into the path it wants.
Max went to level 4 with his theory, FF Peasant went to level 10 with his. This is some level 99 sh!t. Good job man. Never in my wildest dreams that FF7 would have the most tied together story out of all of the FF games. It blows my mind that these guys spent two decades weaving FF7 together to make a final game.
It's funny how people either don't know it or don't remember it, but when original FF7 was released, the developers explained Aerith's name and how in Japanese is almost a transliteration of "Earth", "Earisu". When translated to English, they didn't know this and changed it to Aeris, but it was always meant to mean Earth... Gaia, livestream, etc.
I think I can be forgiven for taking a break from this video, to process all of this after having watched the previous two back to back, to come back later. This is all just too good and too thorough. I shall return later to further my enlightenment.
As I commented last video, your deconstruction & theories are extremely well done and show tons of potential meaning for the future games! Thanks and I can't wait for the next one! One thing that keeps bugging me: if Minerva is "alive" and active as the incorporation of the lifestream itself and will play a much bigger role now than in the previous games, then why does she need Aerith and any other Cetra to do anything? The lifestream can go (and/ or try to) defeat meteor by itself, the party and Aerith seem to not be needed to interfere at all. Do you have any thoughts on this? Cheers and have a good day!
I am hoping that the potential for the games meets them! I really do! Thank you for taking the time to comment as well! I think her presence only becomes known when its needed, until she needs to show herself then there isn't any reason to act through direct actions. (Which is why her meeting with Genesis is so important, this is the only time other than her boss fight that she appears.) Know that its by the will of Aerith that commanded the lifestream to help defend against the earth against meteor as well, so though her pieces are pawns, they still have a lot of power in their own right. they all are of use to her in one way or another. I think that as we are seeing the party has a lot of power to do things, the reason they haven't or are not, is because they haven't become aware of them yet. Jenova is a good example of this, her presence is very well known to the party, and because of the threat that she seemingly imposes the party actively fights against it. same as sephiroth. There are only 2 people that we know of that even have seen her, and that being said what she is, or what she is planning is completely unknown to both of them from what we have seen (so far. Genesis might be the only person that really is aware of her as a whole.) I hope that answered some of your question! Thank you for watching!
0. Hey Sleepezi, once again I have to congratulate you on another great video! I also would like to say again that I appreciate you going and responding to as many comments as you can; that takes a lot of time and effort from a person, so I think you doing that shows how happy you are to interact with this community! (Also, thanks for slightly mentioning me in the Summons portion since I was the one that asked about them. I'm glad I influenced something in this series). 1. I would never have thought of the whole idea of Ragnarok being a thing in FF7, nor that it would Minerva's goal! That does beg the question, why is it her goal? Is it to continue to trap Jenova? If so, then why repeat the cycle across time and space? If not, then why do this at all? 2. Aerith being a puppet to the Planet is just cool! Gives her and Cloud even more connections than before. 3. Not being interested in potential giant WEAPONS or developing highly dangerous weaponry doesn't seem like something Scarlet would do, she seems like the type to just do it because big, dangerous weapons just, turn her on, sort of? I don't know where I'm going with this, just Scarlet is a weird person. 4. You'd think that for being named after the All-Father and wielding his weapons, Odin would be more important in a series that references Norse mythology so much. Just thought that was funny. 5. I wonder what other mythologies could be drawn from to bolster the story? I know Sephiroth and Tifa's names come from the Jewish Kaballah as does Safer Sephiroth's design and name. There's also Genesis's name referencing the Book of Genesis from the Christian Bible (and maybe the Jewish Torah). 6. (Hot take, Jenovah is just slightly worse Lavos. (It makes sense since the idea for both were developed for FF7 but then used for Chrono Trigger and then FF7 afterwards)). 7. I've mentioned this before, but how would other games potentially affect FF7R's story? Apparently Dissidia is canon to every Final Fantasy game a part of that series, and apparently X and X-2 take place in the same universe long before VII (at least, it's hinted at by Nojima). Apparently Cloud appearing in Tactics is canon, but I don't know how much that would affect things. (I also don't how much any of the mobile games featuring FF7 characters will help either. Same with Kingdom Hearts or Smash. (Watch Smash of all things be the key to unlocking the secrets of Remake)). 8. Anyway, as usual, great video! I can't wait for Part 4 and beyond! Do you know how many videos you might make?
First of all! THANK YOU for the comment from before, yes, I was very much inspired to look into them for part 3 due to your comment. made me think of Alexander as well. So I really do appreciate the spark! And yes! this is very time consuming,but its worth it because we all get to talk about the stuff we care about! and you guys have made a very nice place, a community down in the comments here that really needs to be appreciated. you guys have been awsome! SO 1) as it seems to be developing, there is a balance of the world that needs to be struck in order to maintain the elements at play. one without the other is just as if not more dangerous to things than the two of them quelling each other so to speak. that isn't my hardened idea about it, but for the sake of discussion that is where my mind goes when I think about with its purpose. 2) I think characterizing her as chained in this way, just like Cloud, is a wonderful way to give Aerith more depth. The struggle that she seems to be going through in this part of remake alone is heartbreaking to me to watch. Someone who is so patient, and her life has been nothing but about this one connection to the planet, and it has also brought her such extreme misery. This all to me is just a massive serve up for her death honestly. It could potentially make the reason for her death that much more heartbreaking in my opinion! to have Clouds fate extenuated by her death, only to have him over come it in this way would be a FANTASTIC way to re characterize the meaning of her death, and make it fresh and even more impact full! 3) yes. yes she is. Lol I think her interest in making things destructive could be a lot of fun to watch in different parts of remake. 4) I found some irony in that as well. lol 5)We might be peering into that world sooner than you think! on all accounts. 6) never played chrono trigger, BUT I love its music. (Without removing my own head on this one I am a Chrono Cross fan.) 7) There are a ton of things that I have watched on this subject your bringing up. I would site them, but its not clear to me whether they are included really. BUT I would say that there is a lot of very VERY interesting dialogue in those cross over games. and I think that it seems very aware of Remake in certain places...X has a place it seems like more and more, whether that is music cues or even Shinra references. I think if there is any game I will be jumping to after this its X. And smash Ultimate will be validated immediately as being the key as soon as Nintendo fixes that online play...Lol Yes though, some sick aerials for Sora would be a broken mess and I want it in SSBU. 8) I appreciate you taking the time to post this! and I am very gratful for your comments again! its just awesome to see you guys so invested in all of this like I am! right now, the goal is to finish 4, and see what else needs to be made. my limit for video length is 2 hours, so if I still have more to say after that with everything I have gathered I will continue to do so! So the short answer is who knows!? Thank you, again, for watching!
@@Sleepezi 0. Your welcome! These videos are always a treat, so I'm happy that I was able to contribute in some way! 1. I see, then what would the purpose of the Cycle taking place in other timelines be for? What is the purpose of the other timelines? 2. And if they make you think you can save her (since Destiny s maybe broken, but not really) and/or delay it by having Cloud save her at the Water Alter, but then kill her later, would make it hurt even more! (I kind of don't wan this because Aerith is such a good character and has gone through so much trauma, I just want her to be happy). 3. She'll be interesting, definitely. 5. Oh boy! I'm ready! 6. Ironically, I've never played Chrono Cross, but love its music (Scars of Time is one of the best songs I've ever heard)! Chrono Trigger is great, and I would love if Square Enix incorporated some of its combat mechanics like combo attacks between characters! I think there's just something terrifying about some Space Parasite coming in and just eating your planet and taking on attributes of your species to propagate itself that made the teams use this idea. (The only reason I said Jenova was worse was because Lavos literally eats planets and then, in Cross, is going to consume all of time and space across the multiverse, which is just insane)! 7. I can't wait to see what you do with those cans of worms (if you decide to investigate, it is a lot of work already)! God, Sora would be busted in Smash! Imagine if they gave him Drive Forms and Keyblade Transformations! Ultimate Form while in Final Form, ugh, it's just disgusting thinking about it! And Kingdom Hearts music in Smash is just great! 8. No, thank you for making this content for us to enjoy and speculate about! Honestly, even if a video was 5 hours long, I'd watch it! That's just how good they are! I'll continue to watch this series as long as it goes! But take your time, burning yourself out is not a good thing, and we'll all still be here to continue watching your videos!
I like a lot of what is in your videos, but I think it is important to remember that the entire Cetra scene in the Shinra VR was created by Shinra to show to tourist. It's propaganda that is attempting to link the ideology of Shinra to that of of the Cetra. There is absolutely no reason to assume that there were ever 8 random stone pillars around a Cetra city that just so happened to be where Midgar and it's 8 reactors are. It's an allusion. There is a lot to unpack in that Cetra VR, but a lot of what is there to unpack is how amazingly well Square did at creating Corporate PR/propaganda in a way very similar companies like BP/Valero/Shell/Exxon have in the past. I am not saying you are totally off base, but you have to keep in mind that characters and concepts like Shinra work because we know they have a public and private face.
That is super awesome of you to say. AND WE HIT IT! you guys made it possible, I can't thank you enough! I am super super excited to have you guys all on board for this! and I will be doing my best to continue to give you guys some awesome content! Thank you for your super support!!!
I saw some of the video! I am very interested in getting it finished but I have been trying my best to be productive on my end. (its not working. lol) He has been very p(l)easent to speak to in the past. perhaps more on that in the future? Thank you very much! gotta keep the train moving forward!
Sleepezi speaking of the Norns. Kingdom Hearts Dark Road revealed new characters with one of them being Urd. Along with Skuld from KH Union Cross they are two of the Norns. I wonder if they’re going for some multiverse type of thing as there are fate elements in KH ((Luxord). Anyways thanks for responding and keep up the awesome work!
Still doing awesome, love you found the mythology connections. It fit very well and makes since. Also love the Alexander aspect with the city, I was always curious why it was only ifrit, Sheeva, and buhamat in that scene. But he could have been off protecting the water city for thoes cetra. Never noticed his resemblance to the city underground. Well done again will be watching for the next one!!
Thank you for the support!: I am glad I found that too! It was just too direct to ignore! and yes, although just speculation Alexander would be so awesome to see him used in a larger capacity! The summons are going to be a big part of the next video too. (I guess I found a lot more to say about them!) but yes, all of these things (mythology, alexander, and the water altar city) I found to be the most exciting ideas! Thank you so much again for checking out the vids!
Hey Sleepezi, hope you been well. Been talking about theories and such with my friends and we joking came up with a different name to use instead of Compilation of Final Fantasy 7 (Sometimes too long to say when talking). We started using the name MakoVerse. As Mako is only used in Final Fantasy 7 series. But also the name implies the Lifestream so it sort of just fit when we talked now. Just wanted to throw it out into the community and see if it sticks XD
31:56 Alexander is a summon in the Remake universe. There's a guy in Wall Market that is trying to trade Bahamut materias for an Alexander materia. He REALLY wants it and the woman he is accosting is having none of it. Alexander in VII is oddly similar to a weapon himself. Quite possibly a Cetra version of a Proud Clod.
First off: that is so awesome that that is the case. I would agree, that the function of Alexander does seem to be a perfect representation of that kind of mentality that the WEAPON carry. And I would love to think that the function of it would be bridged to something Shinra would create themselves! Thank you as always for the thoughtful contribution! ;)
well, now you got me researching wagners ring cycle and Götterdämmerung. Good shit, man. I haven't agreed with everything in this series of videos, but it's so well researched and so provocative that I've got to give you props. The concepts of Götterdämmerung (the depiction of a cycle) is such a fascinating influence in modern sci fi fantasy. Some of my favorites were Mass Effect (prior to 3) and an indie game that I highly recommend called Enderal. Now, unlike FF7, I don't think those were directly influenced by Götterdämmerung or Ragnarok, but I do believe that Ragnarok is the source of this trope that has permeated some of my favorite sci fi and fantasy. I think another example would be Wrinkle in Time? I haven't read it, but I think that's considered a classic example.
Hey Freedom! I appreciate the support for just the research that these videos have. I do know that not everything that I say will always stick to people, and sometimes I look back and think the same thing about those ideas. I do try my best to get some basis when I do these, and while all of them might not be concrete I don't really see any of these that way even after the video gets released. There is always something that I feel like I didn't talk about enough of I missed some info to bring, but thats just more reason to keep making these. In the future this entire series of videos could just be invalidated, but all that means is that there will be more to talk about! so as long as thats the case I will continue to make these to try and figure things out! I will look that up (Enderal) right now. I have not read a Wrinkle in Time either. but I do know that the idea that I am presenting in this video isn't at all foriegn to other media. but I will say that a direct influence might be the case either, but I do believe as you've said, is a base so to speak. Thank you for commenting once again! I know this ones an old one but I genuinely enjoy reading these and getting back to you guys, so thank you!
istanleyff7.tumblr.com/post/614431290829193216/final-fantasy-vii-remake-the-investigation-unit/amp There is no official translation of this yet, but this is what we have so far! Enjoy!!!
Thank you very much for your video series. I really appreciate your research. I definately can now "sleep easier" with getting the whole purpose of the remake. But still, even with all this knowledge, I can't say that I am happy about the direction this game took. Before the release, square told us that they would discard the compilation, but with this video series it is clear that the compilation is vital for the future. Which is a bad thing. Don't get me wrong, I loved the compilation (except the remake), still love crisis core and AC, but I was happy that they would discard it and create a new "canon" because let's be honest: from a story telling point of view, none of the sequels or prequels were as good as OG. They all relied on their events, all major plot points or every thing which are considered "master piece material" was in the original. None of the other installments are seen as true masterpieces. And that is where the problem lies. Like everyone I thought that the remake would create a new canon... using modern technology to make the great story of FF7 accessable again. Even for me it is a pain in the ass to replay the OG. But with this information, I know I will never experience the concepts of FF7 again... it is impossible now to get the same beats in the second installment. To me it would have been better, if they just first told the original story - not to complicate things. Because lets be honest, no one would dig into this deep to just "discover" the masterpiece. It is important to keep a piece of art rather simple than make it a complex structure.. like fight club for example, it should have been something that blows people's mind within a single installment, without cracking a fucking da vinci code. You would also agree that not even big FF7 fans are aware of all these hidden details. Of course it is really cool, but honestly, they could have expanded the remake after FIRST recreating the original. With this remake, very few newcomers are going to really enjoy it. No one is going to look as deep as you (or your viewers) into it. Overall this is bad for commercial success and praise of the game. To me, they screwed up. Even if all of this makes somehow sense and it is time repeating itself - does it make it into a good game? A good story? I strongly doubt it. But still - thanks for your effort. As said, i definately can "sleep easier" now understanding the mess better ;-)
I totally get it, I completely understand that the package given is not what people were wanting / expecting. For that Square really dropped things, and I can only say that is a disservice to their fans who were told that is what it would be. I also understand that painting a newer story that is dethatched from the Compilation canon would have been a nice departure for this series to take, but there are also those who have played or watched the compilation who have long awaited answers to some outstanding questions that we have never gotten answers to. So for me personally I think Remake is set up well to do just that. and from my own point of view I dont see any better way of doing that other than to tell the story of the original story and use that story to highlight the compilation through its retold story. Its a heavy balancing act, and there are only a couple of examples in which this ever gets exacuted to a satisfactory degree: But I can understand that choice. I wasnt even aware of any of this before I began to delve into the fandom. So as far as it being a good story? Well thought through? and explains everything? We will just have to see. I would say I feel more at ease now than I did at the beginning. That all being said: This game fell on its face when servicing the people it was originally marketed to, and for that I have no disagreements. Thank you for posting, even though you do not like Remake, It is a totally understandable point of view, and thank you for doing so respectfully. And thank you for watching!
@@Sleepezi Of course I watched it bro I watched all 5 parts. And everyone appreciates your hardwork you put into this series, weather the ones who liked or disliked the remake. And also one reason I liked your video series because I actually LOVE the compilation and you made it clearer to me. I only hate the remake ^^ if only this toxic community could respect this opinion.. I just wished they could have made more games to the compilation (like an extra sequel to what happened after DOC/Genesis) and also remade the original story... I would be totally fine with that because they could easily make a dedicated game to sum up the compilation and create an extra game to grab the themes of the perpetual repeating 2000 year cycle and destiny & so on. Then the remake could be a polished accessable version for newcomers to the compilation. But at this point, there is no turning back for square I guess. And of course I subscribed to your channel. I hope to see more from you :-)
Great vid mate :) honestly I never played crisis core but watched the cutscenes for it and never gave minerva much thought but your last couple of vids have made me really hope she plays a big role in the remake, especially considering her connection to the weapons and her connection to Aerith :)
I have the same hope. I never thought twice about Minerva having any Lore relevance. its more so that I grew to like her more as I researched her. I appreciate you saying so, and I very much appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I was going through the comments to see the discussion but then it became too much and I have to comment! First of all, wonderful series, very well done research!I have been looking for something like this ever since I finished going through the game (watching gameplays, not actually playing, but the sentiment is alike). There are a few things I would like to bring up. Concerning the yellow and purple flower. I am all into the points you brought up. There is one aspect of it I haven't seen though, and that regards the color themselves. I don't know if anyone noted before or if you considered it and discarded, but yellow and purple are opposite colors in the color spectrum, just like green is to red, for exemple. It could relate to the duality of two sides that are not separeted from each other, but are still in opposition. Same with that purple, being related to blue, could be a 'cold color' whereas yellow is a 'warm color'. It could address an aspect of Minerva and Aerith in regard to their relationship with humanity or emotions. Aerith's actions and decisions are weighed by the care she feels towards other peolple more than the overall system, I think. On the other hand, Minerva, as a proxy of the life/fate/planet, takes actions and decisions directed at the well being of the big picture, of the well being of the lifestream/fate. Another thing I came to think of after rewatching these videos is that rather than consider a dicotomy between "good" and "evil", think of it as "pure" and "impure", which is part of the foundation for doctrines and philosofies like the Taoism and Shintoism in China and Japan. This came up as a thought form a fanfiction I'm working on (and you are a lifesaver! Your videos helped lots!) This could bring some light on Wutai and its participation in things, how exactly I don't know. But there are interesting things to think of. Wutai is based on China and Japan, and their spiritual beliefs are oriented not towards good-evil relationship but balace between two opposing forces. They also have a respect for nature itself as sacred and as a representation/manifestation of divinity over the forms/identities of gods and such divinities. There is a thing in taoism as well that reflects the cycle of the Lifestream rather well, which is that the spirit of a person will return to a bigger spirit, kind of like a unity reattaching to the system. Lastly, in the second video, you mentioned another cetra with the image of Vincent and I have been dying ever since to know what you found out on it. Vincent is my favorite character in the series, so... I really want to know about his participation in this theory. It most likely will influence a lot in my decision for my fanfiction lol.
Did you get a new mic!? Your voice has a lot more resonance in this video. Masterful job as always! You are what every creative dreams of; someone so inspired by the art that was created, that you go out and start creating art yourself. I see on Reddit that others are inspired by your work now... the endless cycle gloriously continues. :)
No I did not! I decided it was best not to chew on the top of my mic to speak to you guys! I actually just posted your video onto that mega thread of all of the vids. someone was asking me about zack and time and I was like "this guys got what your looking for." lol Thank you very much, as an artist myself I know how much time and effort it can take to not only think this stuff up, but also to implement it in an entertaining and emotional way. Its crazy to see people being as supportive. including yourself! Thank you Jesse!
@@Sleepezi You're very welcome! Keep up the inspiring remarkable work! When you get a sec, could you post the link to the mega thread? I haven't found one of just FFVIIR videos. And thank you! Much appreciated! So many people are put off by time distortion because it's so counter intuitive. Thank you! :)
"Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle… and wonder if we’ll ever get the chance to kill him." Square seems to like the life/death circle.
Yes, destiny itself has always had its place somewhere in the topic of FF games (and I am sure countless other titles) so we will see how that then applies to Remake in future installments? Maybe? here is to hoping!
@@Sleepezi Nice one again man hehe the amount of research you did is just overflowing in your videos hehe great job. I have to say though, there is a lot of stuff I like to say haha Anyways, I added some stuff in my own theory since the last time you saw it, wanna take a look? docs.google.com/document/d/1nuiBWtfiWqY_gCJ8tpEvIglktb0uKMea8LTJWBNjeYA/edit?usp=sharing Let me know what you think :)
I think the connections make sense, and I like your interpretation of Aerith as Minerva's puppet and Cloud as Sephiroth's puppet. I don't really know Minerva at all because I don't play anything else in the compilation, but I feel like they have to address Minerva in remake if any of this is going to come to pass. Maybe a Minerva x Sephiroth showdown. Who knows? But I don't believe that the remake is going to play out exactly as what it did in the original. I think it will play out similarly, and have similar outcomes, but Aerith might not be the one to die, Sephiroth might not be the final boss and we might get a lot more story-relevant actions out of Yuffie / Vincent as well as the Turks / Rufus. I actually think your world rebirth theory is correct - the Cetra were destroyed all those years ago and the world reborn. But the cetra themselves lived in ruins of a civilization that predated them as well. These ruins continue to accumulate over time, each one getting sunk underwater and going deeper into the earth. The city that was below the city of the ancients - that was from a civilization that predated the cetra. I have a theory that the Midgar we seek in remake, is a rebirth of the Midgar we see in the original. Think about it - there are substantial differences to the new Midgar. People now have smartphones instead of trash PHS. VR is now a thing. Technology has advanced way beyond that of original Midgar. I think that the remake is a direct sequel to the OG. After the events of OG / Dirge, I think the planet did restart, and the world of remake was born, with Midgar rebuilt just like what happened in the past. Except this time, knowledge from the past times meant that technological advancements were quicker, so Midgar is a lot more advanced right now than it was in the past. Sephiroth never traveled back in time, time just kept going - or really, "repeating" itself - and is now trying to change things in this new cycle. In short, we had the Alexander City (City predating Cetra) -> Forgotten City (Cetra) -> Midgar I (Humans - Original) -> Midgar II (Humans - Remake) -> and possibly Neo Midgar in the future. Each has its own cycle, each has its own cast of characters that behave similarly to our characters. Each will end in destruction of the present civilization and rebirth of a new world, with strong parallels to the previous one. I like to call this the Ouroboros Theory.
Just finished, amazing video. I always knew of the references to Norse mythology (Ragnarok, Midgar(d), etc) but I never really thought about how connected it actually was. Bravo on the deep dive and the connections. I get the feeling an event or person will create a eureka moment for Aerith that may result in her realizing that another party member actually needs to die (Cloud) and she will try to stop that from happening. Not sure the overall end will be the cycle repeating over and over (kind of a downer ending). I’m just curious to see how much the developers are willing to change things, how bold will they be
Thank you so much for saying so! And thank you for watching! I have heard a lot of that swirling around about another member dying in the place of Aerith so to speak. If that does happen I hope it is executed properly!
Thank you Jessie! I hope you make it into future installments! T .T Part 3's point of view isn't as set in stone as I made it out to be: I should have been more careful to let you guys know that this isn't definitive in terms of the direction of next parts! glad to see your support, and thank you for watching!
I will make sure its nice and ironed out for you guys before it gets out! this one has a lot to say so there needs some attention on it big time. its also probably going to be longer...so we will see.
Lol without all the extra background information this whole Birth Death Rebirth theory have been what ive been trying to prove and these 3 videos explain exactly what ive been find a way to prove..... This theory is amazing and i loved all 3 videos. Thank you for being another person to understand such DEEPER meaning in these games. I will be sharing this theory to all my friends. Please keep working i cant wait for part 4
Concept of time repeating itself was in the OG, yet no Ody ever comments on it. In the Cosmo canyon observatory it very clearly shows someone dying, becoming a part of the lifestream, and then being reborn on the opposite side of Gaia. Literally a repetitive cycle
Well that's literally the basic lifestream cycle that's explicitly explained in the game. It doesn't really indicate a cycle in "fate", just actual life and death of an individual
@@Sleepezi Oh I did, I got my partner to watch with me and we both love all your research you've done. I specifically bought a few books to dive deeper into the Lore after finishing Remake as I never got to play any of the Spin-off games, so you filling the gaps of those games was exactly what I am looking for (and was having a hard time finding in my own research). Even if this isn't the direction they go, I think it would be brilliant and also make people want to go back to those games. I plan on playing OG again soon to refresh my memory, but I don't have access to Crisis Core and such. Will for sure be watching as many Parts as you do, I could watch 20 of these and still be into it, patiently of course as I know you are putting a lot of work into this and I wouldn't want you to rush it, as much as I can't wait, can't be easy
I have now watched all 3 parts of your theory vids and all I can say is that you've wowed me with the amount of in depth research and thought you've given to it. FFVIIR certainly won't be the first (or last) story that has been heavily influenced by mythology and I actually agree with you that the probability is high we will essentially be given an unchanged story line... BUT... I have a feeling we may also be given a choice in this. Edge of Creation Sephiroth has become the wild card, nobody can guess his motives, and his question: What are you going to do with it? implies a choice Cloud will have to make. Personally I think its more about saving the planet than saving Aerith, but that may actually be the choice... I think that will be the suckiest decision to make as very few will be able to stomach watching her die in HD. Whichever way this story unfolds Square is taking us on a helluva ride, encouraged us to speculate & debate, and simply enchanted us with memorable visuals, soundtracks & characters... that's a win in my books.
I think Remake is The OG on the surface level but with added context and multiple layers adding depth to a fairly easy to comprehend story. I love what they've done with this. It's a true love letter to the game
I completely agree with you, I find myself arriving to the same conclusion most of the time. A lot of this just changes context rather than drastically shifting the story. But I always feel there is room for anything at this point! Either way thanks for giving this one a watch Senal! ;)
Good stuff! Keep up the good work. I love it when you bring up the mako poisoning/knowledge stuff, it reminds me a lot of Bloodborne with its "going crazy because too much insight". Haha. Btw, even with time-cycle, I still believe that remake ending will be completely different. I mean, what if the point of all this defying fate fuckery is to actually break the cycle?
I didn't even make that connection! lol thats super awesome! I don't think parts of the ending will be different. But rather that the way we arrive there with a different context will be what makes Remake interesting... I think that destiny has yet to break, and that in order to do that its going to be a bigger challenge than just one boss at the end of a first part of a massive expansion of FF7's franchise. Thank you for commenting! and thank you very much for watching!
One important detail to look into would be the description of the three harbingers you fight at the end says something like 'an entity from a future timeline'. My question what is a future timeline? I've heard of the future in this timeline and I've heard of different parallel timelines, but what is a future timeline how does that work?
Re Alexander: In FFX, when the party falls through Macalania Lake, they literally land on Sin but because of its enormity, they don't realize it. Like the weapons, could Alexander have been a defense mechanism manufactured not by the planet but by the cetra themselves that the party is literally walking on in disks 2 and 3?
Again, fantastic work on all this. I’m just blown away by how much you’ve dived into all of this lore. Most of which I had no idea existed. If you’re interested, I would love to have you on my podcast via Zoom? I would like to do my part in spreading the work you have done sir. I’m any case, can’t wait for the next part!
"a free flow thought process." as you have put: is exactly what I have been trying really desperately to find for talking about this. These videos are super formal, and super hard to keep together, but I have been really wanting to break away from that and talk to you guys in a way that is a bit less formal. lol that being said. I would love to sit down and talk about some of this with you guys! lets figure something out! If you have a twitter we can talk there? if not we will try something else.
Sleepezi Sweet! Yeah we can exchange some info via Twitter @thewisedrums and DM from there, or you can send a message via my FB page too, simply called WiseDrums. 🤘🏻
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So just a heads up guys!:
First off: I just want to say I have been working a lot more on part 4: Lots of research.
I AM ALSO DOING SOMETHING IN BETWEEN! I am going to be sitting down with Wisedrums on his PODCAST TOMORROW!
I wanted to ask you guys if you had any questions? We will be trying to answer them on the podcast!! They can be Theory related, anything that you want really!
IF YOU WANT YOUR QUESTIONS ASKED ON THE PODCAST:
go ahead and just reply to this post! and I will get them over to him so we can review them! Thank you guys for your continued support. Its going to be fun!
Looking forward to it!
Does wisedrum have a RUclips channel?
Yes! He does, you can find him here!: ruclips.net/channel/UC84v-nlmPRaA4xH_6y4oPmw
Assuming everything that's been deduced thus far is correct, do you think Sephiroth could theoretically have "traveled" back to ANY point in time? Him choosing the onset of FFVII as his destination certainly makes sense, but do we think there is anything beyond utility (both in universe and out) that informed the choice?
Loveless seems to be very important. That said, it is mentioned that there are many interpretations to the fifth act. Does this mean multiple endings, or a more ambiguous ending than the original? Also, Genesis's design was used for ff record keeper last year, they could be setting up for return. What do you think?
27:40 The Cetra's connection to water: I just want to add this side note, that Aerith is born on February 7th, which makes her an Aquarius, i.e. The Water Bearer. 😉
Glad to have my mind blown in the comments! lol
that is super cool, I never would have known unless you mentioned it!
Thx for sharing neat little extra lore =)
It would make more sense to make her a Pisces if this were the case given that Aquarius is an Air sign....
@@charliewild2367 Yep, I know. But Aquarius is perfect for her; bringing the water, watering the flowers, etc. As for her being an air sign: her first limit break is Healing Wind. 😉
@charliewild2367 I'm a tad late but aint the Lifestream also associated with wind besides water?
For what I understand water is cycle of life and death and wind is cycle of time and fate.
Life and time is temporary but fate and death is absolute, all of it represents the flow of the Lifestream
Diving into ff7 lore is intense and requires a lot of research so thank you for taking on the challenge and tackling it to the level of detail you're depicting in these videos
A lot more research to go! Its been fun so far!
Thank you for your encouragement! and thanks for watching!
I had to pause this video several times just to gasp-- that does not happen to me very often 😅 good work man, your theory crafting is 10/10
Lol I am so glad that the theory reveals had that kind of impact! that kind of stuff is awesome to hear!
we will try and take it to 11 in pt 4!
Thank you for being so supportive! and thanks for commenting!
The cycle of Ragnarok and rebirth makes so much sense. Especially that the world is reborn in water. I think it helps to make a connection between the world of 7 and 10 also.
I hope Maxamillian Dood watches this, this blows his level 4 theories out the water
That use of the FFXIV Alexander Primal Battle theme during the Alexander part was *chef's kiss* beautiful!
A lot of these theories are interesting. But I’m worried it will turn into another game of thrones, where the theories turned out better than the actual story lol. Expectations were high, then we all got super disappointed when it turned out to be not as complex as we thought. Lol
it could all become some awful mess. but I hope that with all of these details that are sprinkled through out the games, that it won't be wasted effort. I think it would be cool to have all of that contents lore built upon in some way! We will see though!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
this is why we need this dude to collab with other FF Lore experts like Max Dood, so that they could really discuss where this series is really going and if they did dive too deep
Was gonna say this same thing--that show ruined us in so many ways.
or Lost
Tbf, A Song of Ice and Fire is far better and more complex than the shitshow that was GoT
I always start these videos with "that sounds ridiculous" but you manage to provide a convincing argument every time lol. I knew of the name similarities like Midgard=Midgar, Niflheim=Nibelheim, etc but I hadn't thought to make the connection to other parts of Norse mythology. Who knows if it'll all become true but its a very interesting topic regardless. Thanks for the awesome video as always!
Yea honestly, I was planning on the video being something else, but there was just so much to say about the one subject that it kinda just turned into a conversation about it! I think this will be more of an up to the half way point reveal. there is still a lot more going on with the story than just Gotter...but we will be talking about that stuff soon enough!
I think the same thing when I make those intros too...lol they all can be a little ridiculous!
Thanks for your continued support!
@marcus24000 I will tell you what Marcus. Your thinking is not too far off from what I have been speculating myself. Were going to be returning to Sephiroth, Jenova, and Minerva in the next video. and take a very hard look as to how this all works.
I appreciate you being so engaged, I see your other comments and I will be trying to get to those as well! Thanks for Watching / Commenting!
When I was younger and didn't know as much about Norse myth, I always thought Nibelheim was a play on Nephilim; Men and Angel hybrids, because they were making Man/Jenova Hybrids there and Sephiroth became a One Winged Angel because of Jenova cells.
To me, loveless is a story of the final fantasy series itself. You notice that every game occurs in a different point in history, but have a similar arc to them. This could be the 2000 year cycle reoccurring. Take FF 6 for example. Terra is a member of an ancient race that is linked with Espers, which are summons, and Kefka destroys the world by moving the three summoners (or fayths) contained in the statues that are literally "dreaming" the world. Each game follows a similar story arc, but uses different words for the ancients and the summons, because they happen in different cultures, even sometimes on different planets. They are all in the same universe with the same metaphysics.
I remember the ending of the last part of the FF XIII. That their world dies and they kill what is suposed to be some god or something and then they forge a lifeforce akin to the lifestream from the souls of the people and travel to a new planet (that happens to be our earth). kinda like the Weapons from Dirge of cerberous are suposed to do.
I will admit that I don't have a wide spread knowledge of FF as a whole, but there are things such as the King Behemoth that comes to mind as recurring elements.
so although I don't have that knowledge, I come across it a lot in my research. That some patterns are not FF7 exclusive, but range from the entire series of FF as a whole. These ones can be frustrating at times because you think your onto something but then just find out that its more of a nod to other FF games. Maybe a video on that 20 years down the line when I am done talking about FF7 and Remake and have absorbed the other games?
I will say that as something to contribute to what your saying. in the original FF7 there were documents describing Three Priests, which seems to mirror what you said about FF6.
I would not be suprised that going from here into other FF games I will have a huge amount of time to myself wondering what connections to the others are.
This comment is definitely a good starting point for that.
Thank you very much for this comment, sorry it took my so long to get to it,
but I really enjoyed reading it and appreciate you taking the time to make it!
I don't think the poem applies to all or even most FFs though
Regardless how much of all this factors into the actual game, the quality of your analysis stands alone. These videos have been a masterclass in deep dive, evidence-based conjecture. Part 4 can't come soon enough!
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch them! and I appreciate the praise!
Thank you so much for watching!
You just became a FF7 prophet, congratulations :)
Those videos were just what I needed to rediscover my favorite game story through a new lens
This really felt refreshing
Thank you so much
I swear that portal Aerith made.
It's something.
I agree. as I have kind of done through out these videos is go into more and more of what the underlying effects are to things that we have been seeing. A lot of context building, but that portal absolutely needs more attention on it.
Thank you for watching! and commenting!
Again, your ability to tie all these things together in a way that's easy to follow, informative, and enjoyable is something few can pull off, considering how much material there is to go through, and how long your videos are.
Congrats on passing 1k subs! Here's to many more.
Thank you Boulder! Its awesome to get so much support from you guys from the very beginning. There is still a lot to get through too T. T
Thank you for the congrats! here is to hoping for all of us!
yessss part 3!! keep it up man, you're doing well.
I appreciate that! Thank you for giving your support!
@@Sleepezi these theory videos have cleared up so much and have gone so in depth, very well done man
As someone’s who’s extremely familiar and aware of the compilation of FFVII - you have absolutely blown my mind so far. I thought I knew a lot but you just made me love this particular series that much more.... not to mention the absolute immense amount of respect I have even more for the developers
a lot of these connections seem like sincere expressions from the love that the developers have for this game. and I am more than happy to go looking for more of those loving placements through out this game and future titles! I am glad to have brought some of this to the table to share with you guys!
Thank you so much for commenting! and thank you so much for your support!
51:21 Makes me think of FF1 story where the warriors of light are in a cycle but then they win and the cycle wasn't infinitely recursive.
Nailed it again!! Man what can I say... this game means so much to me and diving SO DEEP into it just blows my mind and I love the game even more than I already do!
I'll post you on Reddit again! People NEED to see this. I hope we can grow much more appreciation towards the game, the team behind it and people with dedication like you!
Snu Snu, thank you so freaking much! I super appreciate the support!
I am hoping that part 3 doesn't deter people from part 4, I understand that it might muddy the water for some people. but I cannot stress this enough! it will all be explained, and nothing I have said is being altered. all of it is relevant and things wont be as certain as they are made out to be!
@@Sleepezi No problem mate! I saw that you've already answered to my reddit post! I'm super excited for some discussions and your next video! I could listen to stuff like that for hours!
Was about to go to bed but was pleasantly surprised to see part 3. And so glad you almost to 1000. Such a crazy achievement done in so quick of a time and with such an amazing set of quality work here! Gonna blast a few more people on twitter to get you there.
It took me all day to get it out, wanted it to be here earlier but I thought it was good to get it to you guys asap!
You definitely contributed to the growth! I can't thank you enough!
Thank you thank you thank you!
This is where you lost me...if the cycle is supposed to play out the same no matter what happens then what is the point of Minerva sending Aerith messages? What is the difference between her being clueless like in OG and her having knowledge like in Remake? What even are the stakes? This theory seems to have none. Aerith still dies. Humanity still dies. The cycle starts over. What is my incentive to follow the story of these alternative timeline characters and their struggles if there is no stake I can put on them changing at least humanity’s destiny? Or at least Aerith’s? Nostalgia? Sorry but this part lost me...
I knew that after making this particular video that people would be torn on the idea that "why would you set up everything to be something new, and take it away."
Part 1: mentions Sephiroth breaking away from destiny. (there is a reason I didn't bring him up in part 3 really. and what his role is now.)
Part 2: is meant to give us more context for the structure of what that destiny is.
and Part 3: is meant to cover that this structure cannot simply be broken just by the defeat of the harbinger. I think that there are things still left to discuss this. I understand the way it is presented in the video is to try and ease peoples minds about massive changes: but the way I see it is, and part 4 will hopefully take care of this, is that Remake will settle in the middle somewhere. Different, but the same.
So don't take this as the final nail in the coffin on my opinion of an unchanging destiny. there will be more to talk about.
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch this, I appreciate the time you have taken to write this out, and express your dislike for the way that things are. but know that this isn't the end of this discussion, and there is a load more to talk about.
I planned on making this a 2 hour video, so think of the next video as a way of concluding more of the ideas brought up in this video. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Sleepezi it’s not that I dislike your video or theories I liked the majority of everything I just was stating that as narratives go IF this was the last part I’d say that this would be bad story telling just because of the reasons in my previous comment. Stakes are very important in a story and the way this was presented I was trying to understand what they could be or if there were any basically by ranting about it in a comment. I’m still curious to see what is next and I’m curious to see where they go next and how correct you are with your theories because most seem plausible and well thought out!
@@Sleepezi If I've understood correctly, I'm completely onboard with the repeating cycle. However to be more specific, the Harbinger was the most direct influence/cause of that. With him removed, that 'method' of identical cycle repetition is now defeated. So things CAN happen differently now. HOWEVER, even without Harbinger the planet is still eventually destined to die/burn and be reborn. BUT the way that this happens can be different now. Does it need to be due to Meteor? Not necessarily. Either way this would be a great direction for the story because who is the ultimate villain here? Minerva who wants the planet to burn and reset the cycle, or Sephiroth who wants to break this cycle and save the planet from burning? Could this be the basis of Sephiroth's redemption arc?
the point isn't whether she lives or dies, it's a question of what chain of events is changed with her knowledge before she dies, one minor change could be the change needed for jenova to win the cosmic war against the centra
@@AnthonyKagegariVT No I agree with you, and think you've brought up several great points here in your comment. I don't think this points out weak analysis on Sleepezi's part, but weak WRITING from the FF7 writing and direction team. I hate what the remake did, personally, (and to a lesser extent the Compilation) but Sleepezi's analysis is really good at exposing and dissecting the deeper implications of the writers' lore references, even though they're conveyed incredibly poor through the actual narrative beats of the games and movie.
Absolutely love these lore/theory deep dives. I sincerely hope that the plans for the remake get even as close as some of these theories. Compelling stuff.
Yellow flowers..New beginnings. Thanks again Sleepezi no one else going this deep on this and it will help my understanding greatly.
I will try and get a bit deeper with you guys as I keep going along.
I am glad you have enjoyed them up until this point! Thank you!
This was a treat to get home from work to, thank you for all the enthralling theory crafting
I am just glad to provide you guys with something you actually enjoy so much! Thank you for watching, and thank you for your support!
My mind is completely blown after 3 parts......just wow. What a journey. Extremely well done and you provide some awesome evidence. Just wow. I got lost in these. Looked up at the clock and over 3 hours gone lol.
lol Its so cool to hear so many of you guys doing this! I find myself doing it for other peoples content, so when I hear that you guys are doing it too for these vids its just: MAN SO COOL!
I am so glad you enjoyed them to the extent that you did, its so crazy.
Thank you for watching! Truly!
@@Sleepezi I'm looking forward to any future videos
I cant believe that I just binged all three videos. You are a good story teller.
That is mindblowing to hear. its unbelievable that any of the videos have gotten any attention just due to the length. its so crazy to then have you guys watching them back to back is just...well its awesome!
Thank you Ronald. I am so glad you enjoyed. and thank you for your support!
I noticed Minerva is primarily colored yellow and so are Aeriths flowers. “Follow the yellow flowers...”
coincidence?
Not in my mind, no it is not. I think that its these elements that associate to what Minerva (the will of the lifestream) is controlling to manipulate those to her advantage, in the same way Jenova manipulates those with her cells. These entities to me seem to operate similarly even though depicted on opposite sides. Which is what I find the most interesting about the dynamic that seems to be appearing in Remake and the Compilation!
Thank you for watching Jordan!
If you look at the Mural the largest yellow flower is over the black materia.
Gotta say I am very impressed with your break down of this game. Your mental capacity is been put on center stage for us to witness in these videos. You are very bright young man. And I thank you for giving this to us. There’s no way in a million years I could have dissected FF7 compilation the way you have. Looking forward to any more videos you put out!
I can hardly keep the story straight myself sometimes, there is a lot of moving parts to keep track of, but for the most part its all so much fun! and its a pleasure to be able to break any of it down forr you guys!
Congrats on 1k subs dude! I love this series and it has been a great source of entertainment ever since I finished playing the Remake. It really has emphasized my excitement for the next game, regardless whether Square Enix decides to go in this deep or not.
I am right there with you on the excitement for next installments! and I am glad to share that excitement with you guys!
and thank you! 1k is all thanks to you guys! and its been an awesome pleasure to read and talk to you guys! hopefully in the future I will have livestreams where we can talk more directly about stuff!
Thanks again!
Brilliant series. You've provided the best breakdown and analysis of the overall story of FF7, and I'd argue that this is some of the best content I've ever seen on RUclips. Fantastic work!
Congrats on another amazing video, can't wait for part 4!! Can really feel the love and huge work that's going into these!
Thank you very much! I am glad that you enjoyed the videos! :D
I watched all 3 vids. Great content. Looking forward to more theory crafting!
I really appreciate you taking the time to watch them all! Thats so cool to hear!
More will be on its way!
Thank you!
This entire video series is highly underrated. Keep up the good work!
And again... You entirely blew my mind.
Thank you, glad to provide that service! thank you for watching it! I super appreciate it!
The amount of work is incredible. I love this game so much and without watching the movie or playing any other games or reading books I had no idea what was happening. It’s difficult to go back and go through everything now (esp dirge) so I’m so grateful to you. Love your theories. They seem so in line with what the writers have been saying. 👍 thanks again. Can’t wait to hear more thoughts!
I am glad that I can give you guys a taste of the compilation in a more bite sized version in terms of its relivance to Remake.
That being said: I might do more in depth discussions on those individual games / movies / books in the future, so that we can squeeze out everything we can as far as meaning from them. might be easier to do that just through looking at them individually. we will see!
lets hope these videos land somewhere in the ballpark of what Square is thinking, that would be really exciting!
Can't wait to get more out there to you guys! Stay tuned!
very cool how ya selected tracks while telling the story .. good choices too ie ; 13:50 :D ok back to watching i’m sure i’ll wanna say something later so imma jus edit this ^^ ya man you should really become a writer or work for some industry where your able to speak freely and creatively like you have.... for sure~ i don’t even read books but damn maybe i would if it was as good as these audio book like lore.. not everyone has patient puzzle solving collective skills with imagination. that’s a gift. wish i could help somehow i’m just ranting in awe of the work... i enjoy it more then most movies / series to watch. prolly cause i love final fantasy always have since 3-4 ~ this is best detailed information ever i say context on buddy context on! and for me it seems the final fantasy community is prolly one of the most expressive and feedback sort of people from just seeing comments and having ideas and so forth so your a big help to questionable ideas for sure~ you earned the gain of respect i’m sure by many so thank you and look forward to part 4 .. sorry for the long segway speech :) hopefully i’ll have a question for ya next time , and if you have a psn ID , please add me teky-1 (off topic) once again thanks
forgot i could use send for spacing words :/ oops
ps. the whole minerva connection is very cool
This is some Dark souls Lore video type of shit right here. Great work, dude.
We gotta bring it to that level with whatever we end up touching I suppose. Lol
Glad you are enjoying them so far! Thank you for watching!
Dude brilliant compilation of the information. Thank you so much for doing this!
I just noticed you thanking max doods at the end. Glad to know he saw your videos man. Great research! I can’t wait for part 4 and 5. I hope square Enix manage to find your videos and maybe invite you play part 2 demo 😆
You continue to amaze, sir.
Also, congrats to 1k subs.
Thank you so much! I really think that this is the start of something awesome!
but its all thanks to you guys! Thank you, and I seriously appreciate your support. it means a lot!
Another great video man! Your passion and dedication for research on the topic is incredible! Keep up the great work!
Will do! I hope to keep making these for you guys into the future! glad to have you all around!
Thanks for the kind words! and thanks for watching!
Just finished watching all 3 parts. Have to say great work dude. I been diving into the lore since finishing the game. Really appreciate the work u put into this, altho some of the theories are a bit far-fetched but even if 70% are true it's amazing work dude. Subscribed 👍🏻
Theories are theories, so who knows how much any of the actual lore will line up, let alone my theories! either way I am glad that you enjoy them!
Just binge watched all three parts back to back. Couldn’t get enough of your theory videos. It honestly makes me love ff7 compilation so much more! I really hope that a lot of your theories will be realised in the next parts of FF7 remake. I am slightly concerned that a lot of the people who complained about the ending of FF7 remake and that the game wasn’t a like for like, will influence the next parts and return to a more like for like game. I hope that doesn’t happen as it would be a shame to have so many references to all the things you mentioned and nothing to come of it. Oh and by the way, your pronunciation of “Götterdämmerung” isn’t perfect but really not that bad. For a non-German speaker you did pretty well 😉 thanks for your hard work in putting this together.
Wow, just mind blown by all of this information, cannot wait for the next video! Thank you for putting this all together btw, amazing stuff ^_^
I will check out your involvement with the Wisedrum's podcast for sure in the meantime.
These have been absolutely phenomenal! I think you may give square too much credit, and I believe you don't get enough! I can only hope square is managing to visualize half of what your putting down.. if the scope of your theories and assumptions are of the magnitude I've witnessed so far.. well shit, I think square may even struggle to contend with these ideas lol God damn you need to become a video game developer and show the jrpg genre how it's done.. these are fantastic so far! You have literally shown me that I didn't know half as much about my favorite story of all time that I thought I did.. and I'm not even mad at that! Haha a little late to the party but thanks for these, glad I still have a few more to watch!
Excellent use of the FFXIV Alexander music at 32:03.
I love your videos man, and I know I'm a bit late to the party but I have to ask: What is the song playing at 41:38?
I feel like I've heard it before but I'm not too sure...
Final boss of FF8, The Extreme!
I hope you enjoy, a stellar song!
@@Sleepezi Ah! That's it! Knew it sounded familiar, thank you so much!
Bruh I have to come to the comments at the beginning cuz after ur intro I'm locked in till the end and won't even comment! The music is Intense 🔥 and on point! Love it!!!👍🏾
This is a remarkable video series. The research, the insight, it’s mind-boggling.
You may be building to this in a future video, so I apologize if you’re ahead of me, but for my part I think you’ve spot-on diagnosed what’s going to be revealed in the ur-story’s second act, but I disagree about how it will all end.
I’m thinking specifically of Final Fantasy XIII’s own compilation, The Matrix Trilogy, and any time loop story when I speculate that the climax of any narrative revealing an endless cycle of events is the ultimate breaking of the cycle.
FFVIIR, I suspect, is going to re-depict most of the story of the original game because 1) they won’t know they’re doing, 2) once they do know, they’ll be causing it anyway, and 3) all hope must be lost before the goal changes and freedom is gained.
So in my mind, the final battle with not only Sephiroth, but the Planet’s wheels of fate itself, will end with Cloud and co saying “whatever happens to us, to people, to the planet, must be in our hands. Salvation or doom, we must be free.”
Part One’s ending thematically references this, but I think the grander design will reinforce it.
Great video. The thought that their fate is set and no matter what they do it is not to be is an excellent example of fate vs freewill.
Hmmmm. I see the inspiration of ff7 with the mythology of Norse. But while the events according to Ragnarok is too have the events play out the same no matter what they do to try and change fate, sephiroth and cloud imo are they keys to changing this.
In the Japanese version when cloud meets sephiroth at the edge of creation he mentions the 7 seconds until the end but then says " but we can still make it" "the future is up to you cloud". This was the unknown sephiroth, the supposed AC sephiroth.
Meaning that these 2 are most likely going to have enough insight to change things.
Sephiroth you stated is extremely dangerous because of his power and knowledge
and I agree. Now that fate has been destroyed he can go all out to destroy the planets desires
Then there's cloud with his premonitions of the future. 3 times he saw aerith praying to activate holy but he can't look too ahead based on what sephiroth stated "that which lies ahead doesn't exist". If cloud has enough knowledge and these premonitions in remake are explained, he can potentially change things.
But we'll see
I do agree that their roles will be very VERY important to the events of change moving forward.
The insight I think will become more and more apparent as we talk more about Sephiroth in the future.
And.... I can't agree more with what you said in the last part of your comment.
Lol this was a fun read. I think were on the same page on this one.
Thanks for watching, and again thanks for commenting!
The Goddess was always a character that fascinated me when I first played crisis core and for the longest time wondered if they would ever elaborate on her or genesis. So honestly I really enjoyed remake and it’s references to the compilation. Honestly hoping that we get to see her further developed as the remake continues.
52:50 I completely agree with you on the chain of events that has happen and what might happen later. Nothing on the path will change in Remake, but the events to come will still happen as what the planet has planned, but because the Whispers aren't there anymore the Planet will do whatever it takes to make sure they are on Destiny's course. Even if it means making many detours along the way to eventually veer the party into the path it wants.
Max went to level 4 with his theory, FF Peasant went to level 10 with his. This is some level 99 sh!t. Good job man. Never in my wildest dreams that FF7 would have the most tied together story out of all of the FF games. It blows my mind that these guys spent two decades weaving FF7 together to make a final game.
It's funny how people either don't know it or don't remember it, but when original FF7 was released, the developers explained Aerith's name and how in Japanese is almost a transliteration of "Earth", "Earisu". When translated to English, they didn't know this and changed it to Aeris, but it was always meant to mean Earth... Gaia, livestream, etc.
I think I can be forgiven for taking a break from this video, to process all of this after having watched the previous two back to back, to come back later. This is all just too good and too thorough. I shall return later to further my enlightenment.
As I commented last video, your deconstruction & theories are extremely well done and show tons of potential meaning for the future games! Thanks and I can't wait for the next one!
One thing that keeps bugging me: if Minerva is "alive" and active as the incorporation of the lifestream itself and will play a much bigger role now than in the previous games, then why does she need Aerith and any other Cetra to do anything? The lifestream can go (and/ or try to) defeat meteor by itself, the party and Aerith seem to not be needed to interfere at all.
Do you have any thoughts on this? Cheers and have a good day!
I am hoping that the potential for the games meets them! I really do! Thank you for taking the time to comment as well!
I think her presence only becomes known when its needed, until she needs to show herself then there isn't any reason to act through direct actions. (Which is why her meeting with Genesis is so important, this is the only time other than her boss fight that she appears.)
Know that its by the will of Aerith that commanded the lifestream to help defend against the earth against meteor as well, so though her pieces are pawns, they still have a lot of power in their own right. they all are of use to her in one way or another.
I think that as we are seeing the party has a lot of power to do things, the reason they haven't or are not, is because they haven't become aware of them yet.
Jenova is a good example of this, her presence is very well known to the party, and because of the threat that she seemingly imposes the party actively fights against it. same as sephiroth. There are only 2 people that we know of that even have seen her, and that being said what she is, or what she is planning is completely unknown to both of them from what we have seen
(so far. Genesis might be the only person that really is aware of her as a whole.)
I hope that answered some of your question!
Thank you for watching!
0. Hey Sleepezi, once again I have to congratulate you on another great video! I also would like to say again that I appreciate you going and responding to as many comments as you can; that takes a lot of time and effort from a person, so I think you doing that shows how happy you are to interact with this community! (Also, thanks for slightly mentioning me in the Summons portion since I was the one that asked about them. I'm glad I influenced something in this series).
1. I would never have thought of the whole idea of Ragnarok being a thing in FF7, nor that it would Minerva's goal! That does beg the question, why is it her goal? Is it to continue to trap Jenova? If so, then why repeat the cycle across time and space? If not, then why do this at all?
2. Aerith being a puppet to the Planet is just cool! Gives her and Cloud even more connections than before.
3. Not being interested in potential giant WEAPONS or developing highly dangerous weaponry doesn't seem like something Scarlet would do, she seems like the type to just do it because big, dangerous weapons just, turn her on, sort of? I don't know where I'm going with this, just Scarlet is a weird person.
4. You'd think that for being named after the All-Father and wielding his weapons, Odin would be more important in a series that references Norse mythology so much. Just thought that was funny.
5. I wonder what other mythologies could be drawn from to bolster the story? I know Sephiroth and Tifa's names come from the Jewish Kaballah as does Safer Sephiroth's design and name. There's also Genesis's name referencing the Book of Genesis from the Christian Bible (and maybe the Jewish Torah).
6. (Hot take, Jenovah is just slightly worse Lavos. (It makes sense since the idea for both were developed for FF7 but then used for Chrono Trigger and then FF7 afterwards)).
7. I've mentioned this before, but how would other games potentially affect FF7R's story? Apparently Dissidia is canon to every Final Fantasy game a part of that series, and apparently X and X-2 take place in the same universe long before VII (at least, it's hinted at by Nojima). Apparently Cloud appearing in Tactics is canon, but I don't know how much that would affect things. (I also don't how much any of the mobile games featuring FF7 characters will help either. Same with Kingdom Hearts or Smash. (Watch Smash of all things be the key to unlocking the secrets of Remake)).
8. Anyway, as usual, great video! I can't wait for Part 4 and beyond! Do you know how many videos you might make?
First of all! THANK YOU for the comment from before, yes, I was very much inspired to look into them for part 3 due to your comment. made me think of Alexander as well. So I really do appreciate the spark!
And yes! this is very time consuming,but its worth it because we all get to talk about the stuff we care about! and you guys have made a very nice place, a community down in the comments here that really needs to be appreciated. you guys have been awsome!
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1) as it seems to be developing, there is a balance of the world that needs to be struck in order to maintain the elements at play. one without the other is just as if not more dangerous to things than the two of them quelling each other so to speak. that isn't my hardened idea about it, but for the sake of discussion that is where my mind goes when I think about with its purpose.
2) I think characterizing her as chained in this way, just like Cloud, is a wonderful way to give Aerith more depth. The struggle that she seems to be going through in this part of remake alone is heartbreaking to me to watch. Someone who is so patient, and her life has been nothing but about this one connection to the planet, and it has also brought her such extreme misery. This all to me is just a massive serve up for her death honestly. It could potentially make the reason for her death that much more heartbreaking in my opinion! to have Clouds fate extenuated by her death, only to have him over come it in this way would be a FANTASTIC way to re characterize the meaning of her death, and make it fresh and even more impact full!
3) yes. yes she is. Lol I think her interest in making things destructive could be a lot of fun to watch in different parts of remake.
4) I found some irony in that as well. lol
5)We might be peering into that world sooner than you think! on all accounts.
6) never played chrono trigger, BUT I love its music. (Without removing my own head on this one I am a Chrono Cross fan.)
7) There are a ton of things that I have watched on this subject your bringing up. I would site them, but its not clear to me whether they are included really. BUT I would say that there is a lot of very VERY interesting dialogue in those cross over games. and I think that it seems very aware of Remake in certain places...X has a place it seems like more and more, whether that is music cues or even Shinra references. I think if there is any game I will be jumping to after this its X.
And smash Ultimate will be validated immediately as being the key as soon as Nintendo fixes that online play...Lol
Yes though, some sick aerials for Sora would be a broken mess and I want it in SSBU.
8) I appreciate you taking the time to post this! and I am very gratful for your comments again! its just awesome to see you guys so invested in all of this like I am! right now, the goal is to finish 4, and see what else needs to be made. my limit for video length is 2 hours, so if I still have more to say after that with everything I have gathered I will continue to do so! So the short answer is who knows!?
Thank you, again, for watching!
@@Sleepezi
0. Your welcome! These videos are always a treat, so I'm happy that I was able to contribute in some way!
1. I see, then what would the purpose of the Cycle taking place in other timelines be for? What is the purpose of the other timelines?
2. And if they make you think you can save her (since Destiny s maybe broken, but not really) and/or delay it by having Cloud save her at the Water Alter, but then kill her later, would make it hurt even more! (I kind of don't wan this because Aerith is such a good character and has gone through so much trauma, I just want her to be happy).
3. She'll be interesting, definitely.
5. Oh boy! I'm ready!
6. Ironically, I've never played Chrono Cross, but love its music (Scars of Time is one of the best songs I've ever heard)! Chrono Trigger is great, and I would love if Square Enix incorporated some of its combat mechanics like combo attacks between characters! I think there's just something terrifying about some Space Parasite coming in and just eating your planet and taking on attributes of your species to propagate itself that made the teams use this idea. (The only reason I said Jenova was worse was because Lavos literally eats planets and then, in Cross, is going to consume all of time and space across the multiverse, which is just insane)!
7. I can't wait to see what you do with those cans of worms (if you decide to investigate, it is a lot of work already)! God, Sora would be busted in Smash! Imagine if they gave him Drive Forms and Keyblade Transformations! Ultimate Form while in Final Form, ugh, it's just disgusting thinking about it! And Kingdom Hearts music in Smash is just great!
8. No, thank you for making this content for us to enjoy and speculate about! Honestly, even if a video was 5 hours long, I'd watch it! That's just how good they are! I'll continue to watch this series as long as it goes! But take your time, burning yourself out is not a good thing, and we'll all still be here to continue watching your videos!
Just saw this got posted, can’t wait to watch tomorrow! Your first two were amazing
Thanks for checking them out! I appreciate you watching! hope you enjoyed!
I like a lot of what is in your videos, but I think it is important to remember that the entire Cetra scene in the Shinra VR was created by Shinra to show to tourist. It's propaganda that is attempting to link the ideology of Shinra to that of of the Cetra. There is absolutely no reason to assume that there were ever 8 random stone pillars around a Cetra city that just so happened to be where Midgar and it's 8 reactors are. It's an allusion. There is a lot to unpack in that Cetra VR, but a lot of what is there to unpack is how amazingly well Square did at creating Corporate PR/propaganda in a way very similar companies like BP/Valero/Shell/Exxon have in the past. I am not saying you are totally off base, but you have to keep in mind that characters and concepts like Shinra work because we know they have a public and private face.
Before it happens, Congrats on 1000 subs! You deserve it!
That is super awesome of you to say. AND WE HIT IT! you guys made it possible, I can't thank you enough!
I am super super excited to have you guys all on board for this! and I will be doing my best to continue to give you guys some awesome content!
Thank you for your super support!!!
You just got major props by FF peasant! You’re on your way keep up the good work!
I saw some of the video! I am very interested in getting it finished but I have been trying my best to be productive on my end. (its not working. lol)
He has been very p(l)easent to speak to in the past. perhaps more on that in the future?
Thank you very much! gotta keep the train moving forward!
Sleepezi speaking of the Norns. Kingdom Hearts Dark Road revealed new characters with one of them being Urd. Along with Skuld from KH Union Cross they are two of the Norns. I wonder if they’re going for some multiverse type of thing as there are fate elements in KH ((Luxord). Anyways thanks for responding and keep up the awesome work!
Still doing awesome, love you found the mythology connections. It fit very well and makes since. Also love the Alexander aspect with the city, I was always curious why it was only ifrit, Sheeva, and buhamat in that scene. But he could have been off protecting the water city for thoes cetra. Never noticed his resemblance to the city underground. Well done again will be watching for the next one!!
Thank you for the support!:
I am glad I found that too! It was just too direct to ignore!
and yes, although just speculation Alexander would be so awesome to see him used in a larger capacity!
The summons are going to be a big part of the next video too. (I guess I found a lot more to say about them!) but yes, all of these things (mythology, alexander, and the water altar city) I found to be the most exciting ideas!
Thank you so much again for checking out the vids!
Hey Sleepezi, hope you been well. Been talking about theories and such with my friends and we joking came up with a different name to use instead of Compilation of Final Fantasy 7 (Sometimes too long to say when talking). We started using the name MakoVerse. As Mako is only used in Final Fantasy 7 series. But also the name implies the Lifestream so it sort of just fit when we talked now. Just wanted to throw it out into the community and see if it sticks XD
Keep blessing us with this great series.
I will be doing my best! Thanks for checking them out again NIX, I greatly appreciate it!
31:56 Alexander is a summon in the Remake universe. There's a guy in Wall Market that is trying to trade Bahamut materias for an Alexander materia. He REALLY wants it and the woman he is accosting is having none of it. Alexander in VII is oddly similar to a weapon himself. Quite possibly a Cetra version of a Proud Clod.
First off: that is so awesome that that is the case.
I would agree, that the function of Alexander does seem to be a perfect representation of that kind of mentality that the WEAPON carry. And I would love to think that the function of it would be bridged to something Shinra would create themselves!
Thank you as always for the thoughtful contribution! ;)
well, now you got me researching wagners ring cycle and Götterdämmerung. Good shit, man. I haven't agreed with everything in this series of videos, but it's so well researched and so provocative that I've got to give you props. The concepts of Götterdämmerung (the depiction of a cycle) is such a fascinating influence in modern sci fi fantasy. Some of my favorites were Mass Effect (prior to 3) and an indie game that I highly recommend called Enderal. Now, unlike FF7, I don't think those were directly influenced by Götterdämmerung or Ragnarok, but I do believe that Ragnarok is the source of this trope that has permeated some of my favorite sci fi and fantasy. I think another example would be Wrinkle in Time? I haven't read it, but I think that's considered a classic example.
Hey Freedom!
I appreciate the support for just the research that these videos have. I do know that not everything that I say will always stick to people, and sometimes I look back and think the same thing about those ideas.
I do try my best to get some basis when I do these, and while all of them might not be concrete I don't really see any of these that way even after the video gets released. There is always something that I feel like I didn't talk about enough of I missed some info to bring, but thats just more reason to keep making these.
In the future this entire series of videos could just be invalidated, but all that means is that there will be more to talk about! so as long as thats the case I will continue to make these to try and figure things out!
I will look that up (Enderal) right now.
I have not read a Wrinkle in Time either. but I do know that the idea that I am presenting in this video isn't at all foriegn to other media. but I will say that a direct influence might be the case either, but I do believe as you've said, is a base so to speak.
Thank you for commenting once again! I know this ones an old one but I genuinely enjoy reading these and getting back to you guys, so thank you!
Ah, yes. Great way to start Sunday.
Thanks for your videos.
lol I am glad to hear it!
thank you for your viewership and support!
Hi Sleepezi, where did you find this info from 'Final Fantasy VII Remake World Preview' that you talk about in 43:57?
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There is no official translation of this yet, but this is what we have so far! Enjoy!!!
@@Sleepezi Thank you, man! and thank you for your great job doing this series
Thank you very much for your video series. I really appreciate your research. I definately can now "sleep easier" with getting the whole purpose of the remake.
But still, even with all this knowledge, I can't say that I am happy about the direction this game took. Before the release, square told us that they would discard the compilation, but with this video series it is clear that the compilation is vital for the future. Which is a bad thing.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the compilation (except the remake), still love crisis core and AC, but I was happy that they would discard it and create a new "canon" because let's be honest: from a story telling point of view, none of the sequels or prequels were as good as OG. They all relied on their events, all major plot points or every thing which are considered "master piece material" was in the original. None of the other installments are seen as true masterpieces. And that is where the problem lies.
Like everyone I thought that the remake would create a new canon... using modern technology to make the great story of FF7 accessable again. Even for me it is a pain in the ass to replay the OG.
But with this information, I know I will never experience the concepts of FF7 again... it is impossible now to get the same beats in the second installment.
To me it would have been better, if they just first told the original story - not to complicate things. Because lets be honest, no one would dig into this deep to just "discover" the masterpiece. It is important to keep a piece of art rather simple than make it a complex structure.. like fight club for example, it should have been something that blows people's mind within a single installment, without cracking a fucking da vinci code.
You would also agree that not even big FF7 fans are aware of all these hidden details. Of course it is really cool, but honestly, they could have expanded the remake after FIRST recreating the original. With this remake, very few newcomers are going to really enjoy it. No one is going to look as deep as you (or your viewers) into it. Overall this is bad for commercial success and praise of the game.
To me, they screwed up. Even if all of this makes somehow sense and it is time repeating itself - does it make it into a good game? A good story? I strongly doubt it.
But still - thanks for your effort. As said, i definately can "sleep easier" now understanding the mess better ;-)
I totally get it, I completely understand that the package given is not what people were wanting / expecting. For that Square really dropped things, and I can only say that is a disservice to their fans who were told that is what it would be.
I also understand that painting a newer story that is dethatched from the Compilation canon would have been a nice departure for this series to take, but there are also those who have played or watched the compilation who have long awaited answers to some outstanding questions that we have never gotten answers to. So for me personally I think Remake is set up well to do just that. and from my own point of view I dont see any better way of doing that other than to tell the story of the original story and use that story to highlight the compilation through its retold story. Its a heavy balancing act, and there are only a couple of examples in which this ever gets exacuted to a satisfactory degree: But I can understand that choice.
I wasnt even aware of any of this before I began to delve into the fandom. So as far as it being a good story? Well thought through? and explains everything? We will just have to see. I would say I feel more at ease now than I did at the beginning.
That all being said: This game fell on its face when servicing the people it was originally marketed to, and for that I have no disagreements.
Thank you for posting, even though you do not like Remake, It is a totally understandable point of view, and thank you for doing so respectfully. And thank you for watching!
@@Sleepezi Of course I watched it bro I watched all 5 parts. And everyone appreciates your hardwork you put into this series, weather the ones who liked or disliked the remake.
And also one reason I liked your video series because I actually LOVE the compilation and you made it clearer to me. I only hate the remake ^^ if only this toxic community could respect this opinion.. I just wished they could have made more games to the compilation (like an extra sequel to what happened after DOC/Genesis) and also remade the original story... I would be totally fine with that because they could easily make a dedicated game to sum up the compilation and create an extra game to grab the themes of the perpetual repeating 2000 year cycle and destiny & so on. Then the remake could be a polished accessable version for newcomers to the compilation. But at this point, there is no turning back for square I guess.
And of course I subscribed to your channel. I hope to see more from you :-)
Great vid mate :) honestly I never played crisis core but watched the cutscenes for it and never gave minerva much thought but your last couple of vids have made me really hope she plays a big role in the remake, especially considering her connection to the weapons and her connection to Aerith :)
I have the same hope. I never thought twice about Minerva having any Lore relevance. its more so that I grew to like her more as I researched her. I appreciate you saying so, and I very much appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I was going through the comments to see the discussion but then it became too much and I have to comment!
First of all, wonderful series, very well done research!I have been looking for something like this ever since I finished going through the game (watching gameplays, not actually playing, but the sentiment is alike).
There are a few things I would like to bring up.
Concerning the yellow and purple flower. I am all into the points you brought up. There is one aspect of it I haven't seen though, and that regards the color themselves. I don't know if anyone noted before or if you considered it and discarded, but yellow and purple are opposite colors in the color spectrum, just like green is to red, for exemple. It could relate to the duality of two sides that are not separeted from each other, but are still in opposition. Same with that purple, being related to blue, could be a 'cold color' whereas yellow is a 'warm color'. It could address an aspect of Minerva and Aerith in regard to their relationship with humanity or emotions. Aerith's actions and decisions are weighed by the care she feels towards other peolple more than the overall system, I think. On the other hand, Minerva, as a proxy of the life/fate/planet, takes actions and decisions directed at the well being of the big picture, of the well being of the lifestream/fate.
Another thing I came to think of after rewatching these videos is that rather than consider a dicotomy between "good" and "evil", think of it as "pure" and "impure", which is part of the foundation for doctrines and philosofies like the Taoism and Shintoism in China and Japan.
This came up as a thought form a fanfiction I'm working on (and you are a lifesaver! Your videos helped lots!) This could bring some light on Wutai and its participation in things, how exactly I don't know. But there are interesting things to think of. Wutai is based on China and Japan, and their spiritual beliefs are oriented not towards good-evil relationship but balace between two opposing forces. They also have a respect for nature itself as sacred and as a representation/manifestation of divinity over the forms/identities of gods and such divinities.
There is a thing in taoism as well that reflects the cycle of the Lifestream rather well, which is that the spirit of a person will return to a bigger spirit, kind of like a unity reattaching to the system.
Lastly, in the second video, you mentioned another cetra with the image of Vincent and I have been dying ever since to know what you found out on it. Vincent is my favorite character in the series, so... I really want to know about his participation in this theory. It most likely will influence a lot in my decision for my fanfiction lol.
oh yeah, cant wait what the video holds inside. thanks a bunch for these dude.
I am glad to share them with you guys! its been fun seeing you guys enjoy them too! Thank you for checking them out again Ryuk!
Did you get a new mic!? Your voice has a lot more resonance in this video.
Masterful job as always! You are what every creative dreams of; someone so inspired by the art that was created, that you go out and start creating art yourself. I see on Reddit that others are inspired by your work now... the endless cycle gloriously continues. :)
No I did not! I decided it was best not to chew on the top of my mic to speak to you guys! I actually just posted your video onto that mega thread of all of the vids. someone was asking me about zack and time and I was like
"this guys got what your looking for." lol
Thank you very much, as an artist myself I know how much time and effort it can take to not only think this stuff up, but also to implement it in an entertaining and emotional way. Its crazy to see people being as supportive. including yourself! Thank you Jesse!
@@Sleepezi You're very welcome! Keep up the inspiring remarkable work!
When you get a sec, could you post the link to the mega thread? I haven't found one of just FFVIIR videos. And thank you! Much appreciated! So many people are put off by time distortion because it's so counter intuitive. Thank you! :)
Do you have any thoughts on Angeals transformation?
Ooh that use of Moebius when you started talking about Alexander
best FF channel ever
Amazing video! Congratulations, going forward to PART 4 now
What song is playing 36:30?
“For the Reunion” - FF7 Advent Children OST
Thank you so much! been waiting for this.
Me too! I was glad to be able to get it to you guys tonight! Hope you enjoy!
Where’s is the music at 42:10 from?
I think I already got at you for this, hope your enjoying the song!
"Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle… and wonder if we’ll ever get the chance to kill him."
Square seems to like the life/death circle.
Yes, destiny itself has always had its place somewhere in the topic of FF games (and I am sure countless other titles)
so we will see how that then applies to Remake in future installments? Maybe? here is to hoping!
Mind boggles even more now great video mate
OHHHH YEAHHHH I finished the second part yesterday and was wondering when we’d get the next one! Hyped!
You got here just in time it seems! lol! thank you for checking the series out too!
Sleepezi yep, have been here since part 1! Thanks for the awesome content!
@@Sleepezi Nice one again man hehe the amount of research you did is just overflowing in your videos hehe great job. I have to say though, there is a lot of stuff I like to say haha Anyways, I added some stuff in my own theory since the last time you saw it, wanna take a look? docs.google.com/document/d/1nuiBWtfiWqY_gCJ8tpEvIglktb0uKMea8LTJWBNjeYA/edit?usp=sharing Let me know what you think :)
@@IrenSS I am glad to have you here then! and I appreciate the support!
@@BonnetOnxZu I will be reading it asap. I really have enjoyed your theory since you have been posting them! Thanks for sharing once again!
I think the connections make sense, and I like your interpretation of Aerith as Minerva's puppet and Cloud as Sephiroth's puppet. I don't really know Minerva at all because I don't play anything else in the compilation, but I feel like they have to address Minerva in remake if any of this is going to come to pass. Maybe a Minerva x Sephiroth showdown. Who knows? But I don't believe that the remake is going to play out exactly as what it did in the original. I think it will play out similarly, and have similar outcomes, but Aerith might not be the one to die, Sephiroth might not be the final boss and we might get a lot more story-relevant actions out of Yuffie / Vincent as well as the Turks / Rufus.
I actually think your world rebirth theory is correct - the Cetra were destroyed all those years ago and the world reborn. But the cetra themselves lived in ruins of a civilization that predated them as well. These ruins continue to accumulate over time, each one getting sunk underwater and going deeper into the earth. The city that was below the city of the ancients - that was from a civilization that predated the cetra.
I have a theory that the Midgar we seek in remake, is a rebirth of the Midgar we see in the original. Think about it - there are substantial differences to the new Midgar. People now have smartphones instead of trash PHS. VR is now a thing. Technology has advanced way beyond that of original Midgar. I think that the remake is a direct sequel to the OG. After the events of OG / Dirge, I think the planet did restart, and the world of remake was born, with Midgar rebuilt just like what happened in the past. Except this time, knowledge from the past times meant that technological advancements were quicker, so Midgar is a lot more advanced right now than it was in the past.
Sephiroth never traveled back in time, time just kept going - or really, "repeating" itself - and is now trying to change things in this new cycle. In short, we had the Alexander City (City predating Cetra) -> Forgotten City (Cetra) -> Midgar I (Humans - Original) -> Midgar II (Humans - Remake) -> and possibly Neo Midgar in the future. Each has its own cycle, each has its own cast of characters that behave similarly to our characters. Each will end in destruction of the present civilization and rebirth of a new world, with strong parallels to the previous one. I like to call this the Ouroboros Theory.
Just finished, amazing video. I always knew of the references to Norse mythology (Ragnarok, Midgar(d), etc) but I never really thought about how connected it actually was. Bravo on the deep dive and the connections. I get the feeling an event or person will create a eureka moment for Aerith that may result in her realizing that another party member actually needs to die (Cloud) and she will try to stop that from happening. Not sure the overall end will be the cycle repeating over and over (kind of a downer ending). I’m just curious to see how much the developers are willing to change things, how bold will they be
Thank you so much for saying so! And thank you for watching!
I have heard a lot of that swirling around about another member dying in the place of Aerith so to speak. If that does happen I hope it is executed properly!
super interesting video, it gives an curious point of view of the lore of the saga and the story :D
Thank you Jessie!
I hope you make it into future installments! T .T
Part 3's point of view isn't as set in stone as I made it out to be: I should have been more careful to let you guys know that this isn't definitive in terms of the direction of next parts! glad to see your support, and thank you for watching!
Take your time in preparing Part 4
I will make sure its nice and ironed out for you guys before it gets out! this one has a lot to say so there needs some attention on it big time. its also probably going to be longer...so we will see.
Amazing theory series. Really good job! Earned yourself a sub and eagerly awaiting part IV :D
Amazing content. You give me chills with your theories.
I am glad that I can give that level of excitement to you all!
Thank you for watching it! and I really appreciate the kind words!
Lol without all the extra background information this whole Birth Death Rebirth theory have been what ive been trying to prove and these 3 videos explain exactly what ive been find a way to prove..... This theory is amazing and i loved all 3 videos. Thank you for being another person to understand such DEEPER meaning in these games. I will be sharing this theory to all my friends.
Please keep working i cant wait for part 4
you just made my day a whole lot better thank you!!
Super glad to have been apart of making it better! Thank you!
Concept of time repeating itself was in the OG, yet no Ody ever comments on it.
In the Cosmo canyon observatory it very clearly shows someone dying, becoming a part of the lifestream, and then being reborn on the opposite side of Gaia.
Literally a repetitive cycle
Well that's literally the basic lifestream cycle that's explicitly explained in the game. It doesn't really indicate a cycle in "fate", just actual life and death of an individual
Finally 👏 can’t wait to watch this tomorrow
I hope you enjoy!
@@Sleepezi Oh I did, I got my partner to watch with me and we both love all your research you've done. I specifically bought a few books to dive deeper into the Lore after finishing Remake as I never got to play any of the Spin-off games, so you filling the gaps of those games was exactly what I am looking for (and was having a hard time finding in my own research).
Even if this isn't the direction they go, I think it would be brilliant and also make people want to go back to those games. I plan on playing OG again soon to refresh my memory, but I don't have access to Crisis Core and such.
Will for sure be watching as many Parts as you do, I could watch 20 of these and still be into it, patiently of course as I know you are putting a lot of work into this and I wouldn't want you to rush it, as much as I can't wait, can't be easy
I have now watched all 3 parts of your theory vids and all I can say is that you've wowed me with the amount of in depth research and thought you've given to it. FFVIIR certainly won't be the first (or last) story that has been heavily influenced by mythology and I actually agree with you that the probability is high we will essentially be given an unchanged story line... BUT... I have a feeling we may also be given a choice in this. Edge of Creation Sephiroth has become the wild card, nobody can guess his motives, and his question: What are you going to do with it? implies a choice Cloud will have to make. Personally I think its more about saving the planet than saving Aerith, but that may actually be the choice... I think that will be the suckiest decision to make as very few will be able to stomach watching her die in HD.
Whichever way this story unfolds Square is taking us on a helluva ride, encouraged us to speculate & debate, and simply enchanted us with memorable visuals, soundtracks & characters... that's a win in my books.
I think Remake is The OG on the surface level but with added context and multiple layers adding depth to a fairly easy to comprehend story. I love what they've done with this. It's a true love letter to the game
I completely agree with you, I find myself arriving to the same conclusion most of the time. A lot of this just changes context rather than drastically shifting the story. But I always feel there is room for anything at this point! Either way thanks for giving this one a watch Senal! ;)
Yes! Was super ansious for this video!
I am glad its out there for you guys! I am going to get to your prior comment shortly as well!
Thanks for watching, and thank you for your support!
Good stuff! Keep up the good work. I love it when you bring up the mako poisoning/knowledge stuff, it reminds me a lot of Bloodborne with its "going crazy because too much insight". Haha.
Btw, even with time-cycle, I still believe that remake ending will be completely different. I mean, what if the point of all this defying fate fuckery is to actually break the cycle?
I didn't even make that connection! lol thats super awesome!
I don't think parts of the ending will be different. But rather that the way we arrive there with a different context will be what makes Remake interesting...
I think that destiny has yet to break, and that in order to do that its going to be a bigger challenge than just one boss at the end of a first part of a massive expansion of FF7's franchise.
Thank you for commenting! and thank you very much for watching!
This is an extensive theory, and intergrade has confirmed some bits (In particular, Deepground appearing)
One important detail to look into would be the description of the three harbingers you fight at the end says something like 'an entity from a future timeline'. My question what is a future timeline? I've heard of the future in this timeline and I've heard of different parallel timelines, but what is a future timeline how does that work?
Re Alexander: In FFX, when the party falls through Macalania Lake, they literally land on Sin but because of its enormity, they don't realize it. Like the weapons, could Alexander have been a defense mechanism manufactured not by the planet but by the cetra themselves that the party is literally walking on in disks 2 and 3?
Again, fantastic work on all this. I’m just blown away by how much you’ve dived into all of this lore. Most of which I had no idea existed. If you’re interested, I would love to have you on my podcast via Zoom? I would like to do my part in spreading the work you have done sir. I’m any case, can’t wait for the next part!
"a free flow thought process." as you have put:
is exactly what I have been trying really desperately to find for talking about this. These videos are super formal, and super hard to keep together, but I have been really wanting to break away from that and talk to you guys in a way that is a bit less formal. lol
that being said. I would love to sit down and talk about some of this with you guys! lets figure something out! If you have a twitter we can talk there? if not we will try something else.
Sleepezi Sweet! Yeah we can exchange some info via Twitter @thewisedrums and DM from there, or you can send a message via my FB page too, simply called WiseDrums. 🤘🏻