Love your vids boys. I've just turned 60, still got my own hips and knees, just had 1st service on Panigale V4S, lovin' it, lovin' it. For old man comfort I get on the Monster and for old school pain I get on the 996 - what a difference 20 yrs makes. Keep the vids coming.
Recently traded my V4S Panigale for the Streetfighter. They are very different bikes. The Panigale was really just too fast too enjoy on the street. As a sport bike it was very easy to ride, you just can’t appreciate that much power unless you’re at a track. The Streetfighter is in a very different state of tune that allows you to use much more of the engine (I think the punch is still there, just not so in your face), is remarkably comfortable and yet seems to retain all the agility of it’s race focused relative. As a rider who might be lucky enough for a couple of track days a year, the Streetfighter has been a much better choice. Don’t think I’ve loved another bike a much as my Streetfighter. But both are simply amazing however, and it’s hard to beat the beauty of the Panigale.
Had a 1299 for four years after a succesion of Italian Sportbikes. Lovely ownwership experience and a great bike I spent a small fortune on in aftermarket parts, but I tested the V4 Pani' (even faster, even easier) and just came to the conclusion that Superbikes (or Superbike engined naked's) are an irrelevance to ride on the road now. Superb machines and I love them all, but trying to get a buzz on them on the road is going to end badly one way or another in the end. My saving grace was an out of character test of the Hyper' 950....WOW.... it was like going back 25 years, massive fun and hooning, but not Pani' warp speed, did some research and saw the 44Teeth review of the 950 and changed the 1299 for a 950 SP the next day. Keep it right side up kids......from an old git who can't hack it anymore :-)
The 950 Hyper is actually the only new bike I really, really want. My current bike is a 990SD, and the one before was a KTM 950SM. The SD is not going anywhere, but if I'm getting a new one the Hyper is the answer.
You really make me exited about the 950. I always wanted the Panigale. After owning 2 times Tuono V4, I thought the time is right now to go for the Panigale.
Lads I'd love to see you guys do a video on what's best for the road when it comes to real world fun bikes... I'll use the Yamahas as an example... is it the "lower" power (with spec'd up suspension etc) MT07... is it the middleweight MT09 or is it the supernaked MT10... which is really most fun in the real world? You could apply the same logic to the KTMs, Triumphs, Kawasakis etc etc
Great comment @NomadLad. So often the focus is 'track, track, track' when you don't fucking well buy a bike for the track but to hoon around on the road, commuting to work, riding around the hills & the odd weekend escape. PS I had the MT07 for three years & it was a rewarding bike. So underrated and more power than you'd expect for a 650/680/700. Respect to you mate.
i would say, some midrange bike like the mt09 or Street Trible, KTM 790 etc. more than enought for the streets and less cheaper than the super naked. I mean yeah the big boys make fun and i enjoy my Super Duke everytime but the brain just hits the emergency switch every time you sit on the bike beside of the effect of the wallet it has.
I won't answer the question but I test ride a lot of bikes, basically every new bike for the last 5 years, and the single main factor for a fun road bike, for me, is power to weight ratio. If you're choosing between 2 bikes, the lighter one is generally more fun. Hope that helps!
I'll throw in my 2 cents. I recently upgraded from an MT-07 to a 1290 Super Duke and I'd say realistically the MT-07 is more fun. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter and you can actually use most of what it's got and enjoy the noise without losing your license. The Super Duke is just scary amounts of power and goes from chill to losing your license/death in 2 seconds. I only got rid of the MT-07 because they rust, the stock suspension is awful, it has no quickshifter and mine had some wear and tear but those are things that can be fixed if you don't mind spending a little extra on it. The MT-07 is a bit gutless after 70mph but it was more fun around town (the Super Duke can power wheelie up to 130mph which isn't very fun around town).
Got my SFV4S last week. My first Ducati, and non "race" bike. At 53, my back and arms (and arse) didn't want to ride longer than 25 minutes on a race bike anymore. The SFV4S is a revelation. Comfortable, super fast, very flick-able, and I will know how good it is around the Nurburgring next week! Panigale does look super sexy though!
I loves a Ducati me - shame I've nowhere near enough riding skill to really appreciate the nuances, so taking your word for the riding subtleties chaps, doesn't stop me looking forward to having a go on these puppies sometime soon though! Thanks for a great vid....and a reminder of what sunshine looks like....
Just traded my 2018 Panigale for the Streetfighter. Absolutely agree with all your points. The road handling of the Streetfighter is sublime. So although I love the looks of the Panigale, the punt I took on ordering the Streetfighter in November has paid off. For the road it is just about perfect. Off to do some more running in...
Due to the bodyposition and the following vindresistance and weightdistrubution nakeds usually gets a bit light in the front wich actually means that the SFV4 benefits more off the wings than maybe the panigale in high speeds.
Just done a two day trip around Germany, Czech and Poland with a Panigale 4v and Tuono, on the autobahn the Panigale was more comfortable at (very) high speed, everywhere else the Tuono was more comfortable. The Tuono was faster on the roads we didn't know because of the higher riding position and the wider bars which made changing lines midway round a corner an option you don't get with a Panigale which holds a line beautifully on track but needs too much commitment to go fast on the road when the Tuono can be slung into a corner and then picked up and slung in a second time or just tightened up without any dramas so it was much more confidence inspiring. My vote for best street bike would be an RSV4 1100 with modified race fairing (to save neck muscles) and Tuono top yoke to take the Tuono bars, similar to the Pikes Peak Tuono. Money waiting if Aprilia are interested and can resist the urge to do the reducing torque thing Ducati ruined the Streetfighter with. And for gods sake buy the switchgear from the same place as Ducati and put some decent paint on it.
Tuono has les torque than Rsv4 only at those peak rpm's you can't use on the street. ..or you mean you'd better trade low rpm torque with more peak hp and have a Tuono with same heads and tune of Rsv4 for street use ?
Went from a blade to a Tuono, loved it but had to go back to a sports bike.(s1000rr) I missed the "race" riding position. But wish I had both. I think both is the answer here.
Streetfighter riding position is way better for the street. I had a supersport once and it made no sense unless you’re on a track. This is why naked bikes are so popular.
I would go for the Panigale. I don't have time to do long trip on Streetfighter anyway. And on track days the Panigale would do better in term of wind protection.
I'm hopefully getting back on a bike in the next couple of years after a long hiatus. I used to have a 2013 1199S and had over 5k miles on it before life circumstances forced me to sell it. I honestly thought it was very comfortable for a sport bike especially considering it was my first sport bike EVER. The SFV4S has caught my attention, but after having a Panigale and putting plenty of miles on it, I think I will be going with a Panigale V4S. There's just something oh so magical and sexy about the Panigales that I know if I went with the SFV4S I would eventually see a Panigale V4S on the road and regret my decision. Sorry for the long response. Lol...
I own a 19 V4S and I do prefer the bike without the wings. For the people that don’t like the wings, just buy an earlier model. I know there are a few computer and mechanical features that differentiate the older v4s and the new but not enough if one doesn’t like the wings. Honestly, the wings are there for the very top of the line guys needing every tiny advantage possible in a race. I beat a guy on a brand new winged v4s like he owed me money whilst riding my V4S without wings. It it comes down to the driver’s talent and the little things a bike can give to help the rider win a race. In the case of weekend warriors, it just isn’t going to make two cents difference. Fastest bike in the world or not, the Ducati V4S is just a beautiful and amazing piece of machinery. I found myself on an open highway late at night coming back from a big event and McLaren P1 rolls up on me and we both just went balls out. Now that was a blast. So rather I am on an auto Cross track, drag racing, or just cruising, the Ducati’s are just outstandingly remarkable and beautiful machines.
Frame geometry is identical meaning both bikes have the same frame casting with respect to the steering, however, the rake angle is 2 degrees different - this is done with a frame insert to change the head angle. The SF has more rake. I have confirmed this visually with part numbers and measured both bikes with a digital angle finder.
Neither. I went with the 2019 V4S because o liked it more. The 2020 fairings roasted my legs on the street and... it was more tame but i didn't want tame. Also i bought 2020 set of fairings for when im at the track. The wings really do help at 100+. But the previous fairings feel leagues better on the street imo.
I rode the Streetfighter V4S with the full Akrapovic race system and it changed the bike enormously and made it ballistic like you mentioned it might be missing. It doesn’t need to rev as high as it does it feels insane to rev out
Wings on a superbike you might take to the track, OK makes a bit of sense... Wings on a naked bike is ridiculous, IMO. I agree with Chris, it would look a lot nicer without them.
I'll save people some time. If you ride primarily on the track, Panigale. If you ride primarily on the street, Streetfighter (hint...it's literally in the name)
Worth noting... the guy (Dave Moss Tuning) who setup my suspension on my Streetfighter V4S informed me that the Streetfighter has the Panigale V4R front forks which to him was a big deal and a real advantage over the Panigale V4S forks. I don't remember the technical reasons of what made the R forks so much better but he was happy about that. FYI. Cool review of the two bikes. Thanks guys.
Judging by your highly regarded opinions, I would definitely go for the Streetfighter V4S. I love the way it sits there minding it own business. At first, I was intimidated by the numbers. However, after listening to you guys, I feel confident that I could tour with it. Enjoy it. Rev its pants off when I want and be content with its wings. Being half Italian myself, I guess it's fitting that its more tame than the Panigale V4S. I guess you have to be full blooded Italian for that machine. Sorry, just being a bit of a sausage there. Thanks for the comparison gentleman. Much love from Pittsburgh PA! Cheers!
So that’s a ‘definite maybe’....let’s face it no one ever bought a Panigale for comfort. Loving the depth of field you could be miniature scale models #tilt shift
A month ago I did the same test myself as I decided it was time after 8 years to change my Panigale 1199S for a new one. I did the back to back on Snell’s two V4’s and came to the conclusion that for the road the Panigale needed the sprockets changed to the same gearing as the Streetfighter. My decision was to get the Streetfighter V4S, however I then got distracted by a new V4R and bought that. However on a back to back I have to agree with you that the Streetfighter is the much better road bike, and one hell of a bike all together. Now the next interesting test, on the road, testing the 2020 Panigale V4S against the V4R...!
Another awesome review guys, I'm v. tempted to chop my Superduke in for the new Streetfighter....and then I watch your review of the new Superduke....and then I watch your review of the Tuono....I then I watch some random northerner wash a bike while Chris eats an ice cream to take my mind off the decision! Best content on RUclips, period.
I have a Streetfighter super comfortable can ride all day without complaint, doesn’t roast your nuts like a panigale, I put an MRA windshield which makes a massive difference over 200kph
Even with both a strong wrist, back, neck, knees, legs, etc. The torture rack ergos of the Panigale will make you stop every 40 miles to realign the spine.
20:50 "if you're doing 130 on the road, you're either gonna be dead, or arrested" That's the speed at which we ride in Mexico 😎 (on 1000cc+ superbikes and when the road conditions allows it)
Can do the same in the USA, but same thing, depends on the conditions. Much, much harder to do any sustained high speeds in New England compared to, say, New Mexico.
Here in Miami if your doing less than 90-mph, someone is up your ass. So a typical ride I cruise at 105-115mph !! These guys live in a cramped place not good for 1000-cc Superbikes!! I wouldn’t own over a 450-cc in the UK
Well done, fellas. As a fan/owner of the Monster series, unfortunately, they're not all day friendly to ride. Would be nice to see a 959 version of a Streetfighter. Would make it much more accessible from a price perspective and not everyone needs, or wants 200+ HP. Keep up the great work....
I wish I had Panigale money haha. Im really keen on a Ducati down the track but the Monster 821 or Supersport S is the price range I feel comfortable with.
As a bit older ripper that naked bike is hands down my choice. No need for fairings etc as I don't race. Naked bikes do track days very well also. Great review boys...
its so hard to pick just one because i think both of them are the top bikes for 2020. ducati did a really great job. like what baron said if its for a show off bike i would go for panigale. but to be realistic i would go for the street fighter. streetfighter it is a jaw dropper but the effect of seeing a panigale specially this model.. women panties will fly over your visor for sure
As I became an old person I lost basically all interest in rolling around public roads on a race bike heh. My vote would be the street fighter. But even that thing is probably too crazy.
In Quebec Canada the registrations (license plates) are cheaper on a naked bike and with the rough roads we have here the Streetfighter is a win win. Both are great bikes, Im VW/Audi bias
I think we fall in the same category as far as our opinions go for the Streetfighter. Get the thought out of your mind that it's not a great bike, because it absolutely is. It can handle everything you throw at it and do it just fine. The issue comes when comparing it to the Panigale, and the fact that you are comparing it to the Panigale itself, that find yourself feeling like anything less than the Panigale would mean you lose out on potential performance. So you have to define what is your own personal potential, because everyone knows the potential for the bike. Do you really find yourself able to eek out the extra power at the top, while settling for the poor seating position? This is the hardest choice I'm having between the two: Performance at the top end that I would use in a limited capacity, Vs. seating comfort and ride-ability that I would be able to use at all times. I know I'd be comfortable both in my seat and in my arms with controlling the Streetfighter, but in the back of my mind I know I'd be missing out on all the Super Bike qualities that make me love Ducati so much. Another example of difficult choices to make (both extremely out of my ballpark but comparison wise it makes sens): Lamborghini Murcielago with its gated manual shifter, or Lamborghini Aventadore. You want a Lamborghini because you want that Italian supercar performance, you want the V12, you want the entire experience. It all boils down to flappy paddles or the third pedal, and you have to ask yourself the question "Will I drive this through town, in stop-go traffic having to baby it and enjoy it, or would I rather prefer the simplicity of flappy paddles to let me take in the experience more?" It's a tough choice. I'm just glad that I'm here to be able to witness and experience them hopefully in the future.
Great review! Love my 2020 Panigale V4 - no issues and have approximately 2k miles so far. Selected it over the Streetfighter due to looks/preference for race bikes over the standard supernaked models. It definitely feels more subdued compared to my 1198, but love the improvement in cornering and power in upper RPMs. Love them both! I will however be adding the Akra system to V4 "get back" some of that angry attitude though! By the way, you can buy straight from Ducati an option that removes the Panigale wings and replaces them with a "red insert" (I actually like mine as is and will keep the wings).
My friend has V4s. He will buy Streetfighter afterwards. Same time can be settled on a track on those two almost. + Streetfighter is just more usable outside the track.
I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r. All the horsepower and torque below 9500 rpm around town. I wanted a companion to the SD. I looked at the Streetfighter V4 but I can not use all the power of the SD. So my companion bike to the beast is the beauty, MV Agusta Dragster 800 rr Pirelli Edition. The Triple sounds like a F1. With 370 pounds dry, 54 inch WB and 140 horsepower, it is perfect.
Would love to see a sport bike comparison that isn’t track or road, but rather road and 5-6 track days per year. What’s the best compromise for fun, forget lap times, and include sport snd streetfighter styles.
I think Ducati had a bit of pickle with the pricing of the Streetfighter, they need to be competitive with the Super Duke and the Tuono but if they lowered the price that much, they would further cannibalize the sales of the Monster 1200 and Panigale, which without a doubt they already will, so they had to push the price upwards and the way to justify the overhead compared to the competition was to have a massive horsepower number, which caused the bike with less weight over the front to be have the same problem of the original SF, quite an untamed beast, to compensate for sure they introduced torque limits in the ECU, introduce the longer swinging arm and so on. From my personal point of view, I love Ducati's and own a Multistrada, love the Panigale since it came out but never wanted to live with pain that is to ride one on the road, always wished for the SF to come out but now that it did, it's simply to expensive and not helped by Corona either as the delivery time would mean the 2020 would be over by the time I got it. The truth is, ignoring the list price, the out of the door price of the Tuono was unbeatable, for me it is more exciting than the SF, sounds better, handled better (maybe most of it to do with the fact the tires are better on the Tuono), yes it looks a bit dated but when riding it makes me giggle with it's amazing communicative feeling and the intoxicating sound and power. Whichever bike one chooses, one will be happy, they are all excellent bikes, I couldn't really justify the extra money for the Ducati, plus for the money, no cruise control, conventional turn signals and not a single carbon fiber part are unforgivable.
One of each, problem solved!! or at least in my dream world. I have seriously considered a SFV4 to replace a few bikes but I am not sure it would be a better situation. I have a 2022 Hyper 950SP and a 1290 SD Evo. They are two totally different machines but really kind of for the same thing....hooliganism! I prefer the ride quality on the Hyper due to the Ohlins, I feel it is more fun to ride and that is saying a lot. On the other hand the SD is almost a perfect motorcycle, great gas mileage, comfortable, tech etc. That being said if I could blend the two together it would be perfect. I wish the hyper had the tech of the SD so I have looked for a bike that might be a combo of the two hence the idea of the street fighter, I have even considered the Super Sport 950S which I have ridden and loved. The problem is, Ducati skimps on the tech.....I still can't believe there is no gas gauge, cruise control etc. but I can forego that for the refinement. This bike would be for weekend fun, Tail of the Dragon etc. excursions. Anyone out there who has directly compared, specifically, the 2023 SFV4S to the 2022-23 Super Duke 1290 Evo? I heard that the 2023 SFV4 has much better torque than the earlier models but does it even come close to the SD? The Super Sport has tons of torque and pull like the Hyper and to me, that is what makes these bikes fun on the street. If the SFV4 still needs to be wound up I will pass. I even took a ride with a buddy who has a SFV2 and after swapping bikes he wanted to buy my Hyper. Even that V2 required way high RPM to find the power, it was slightly piggish in corners, at least compared to the Hyper but it still had the Ducati ride quality. I feel like my SD has simply too much torque making it extremely fun but also too fast for the road. I get it that we are talking 208HP on the SFV4 but is it too much for the street in anyone's experience?
More comparison videos please chaps! As someone who has just bought a GSA1250, and said i never would, whilst also having a S1000RR in the garage, i am slowly leaning towards upright and naked's for our roads. Productions like this give substance to decision making - especially 11:20.
You said in the review of the Z1000SX that the fairing made for a more confident front end feel over its fully naked cousin. Those 28 kg at 130 mph from the wings would be 6 kg at 60 mph. Same difference.
Coming from a Mt07 now Panigale V4 21. idk i feel like switching to the Streetfighter for more comfort as every time i finish from a ride my body is destroyed but find it hard to give up the full fairing look and just that bit extra flex
I recently traded my '18 Panigale for a Z900RS after collecting too many points on my license in the hope it would slow me down... I have to say, I'm absolutely now in the camp that riding superbikes on the road is just not worth it - I get far more enjoyment from my naked retro, open face helmet and legal speeds. The crazy thing is it is just as fun when blasting around the Yorkshire Dales.
I have both a 2019 Ducati V4 R and a brand new 2020 MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR and I'll be the first to admit that my Brutale is way more beautiful, and just as fast, as my V4 R. No bike in the world is more beautiful than the Brutale 1000RR/Rush/Oro...
Nice job guys! Since I’m a naked rider 🤔, I’m wondering how the street fighter would behave as a touring bike. Including bags etc. Would be nice if you can me a video about that.
The wheels are not forged one's on the streetfighter v4s.. which the panigale has and also includes lithium battery
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Oh, that's easy. Plan on a lot of track days, not as much street riding. Then The Aprilia RSV4 1100. If mostly street, canyon riding, then a Aprilia Tuono factory. There, that wasn't so hard.
Thanks again for a top vid - just needed a wee "...and now Mossy's verdict" at the end 😆 I would say just get the V2 instead but just had a look and prices start at £15,295!!! 😲
'slipping over their own fanny batter' is not a phrase I thought I was gonna hear today
Love your vids boys. I've just turned 60, still got my own hips and knees, just had 1st service on Panigale V4S, lovin' it, lovin' it. For old man comfort I get on the Monster and for old school pain I get on the 996 - what a difference 20 yrs makes. Keep the vids coming.
Did you sell a kidney for the service?
@@VaderWhoop if it's the 'first' service then it should just be oil and general check. Probably not the desmo service.
You're right Jacob, just the 621 miler. Saving a kidney for the big one Vader.
Respect!
You're a lucky man
Recently traded my V4S Panigale for the Streetfighter. They are very different bikes. The Panigale was really just too fast too enjoy on the street. As a sport bike it was very easy to ride, you just can’t appreciate that much power unless you’re at a track. The Streetfighter is in a very different state of tune that allows you to use much more of the engine (I think the punch is still there, just not so in your face), is remarkably comfortable and yet seems to retain all the agility of it’s race focused relative. As a rider who might be lucky enough for a couple of track days a year, the Streetfighter has been a much better choice. Don’t think I’ve loved another bike a much as my Streetfighter. But both are simply amazing however, and it’s hard to beat the beauty of the Panigale.
Question, get the pringale with higher handle bars or get a streetfighter with a big wind visor?
Chris: Bloody UK roads are shit.
Also Chris: Bugger, they've closed the road to fix it.
Hahaha underrated
Likely a question I will never have to ask myself.
Kyle Morgan so you gonna buy both?
Same. Getting by with my Street triple.
Don’t think like a broke person
What about in 10 years?
@@DavidMossMGS maybe he has both :)
Had a 1299 for four years after a succesion of Italian Sportbikes. Lovely ownwership experience and a great bike I spent a small fortune on in aftermarket parts, but I tested the V4 Pani' (even faster, even easier) and just came to the conclusion that Superbikes (or Superbike engined naked's) are an irrelevance to ride on the road now. Superb machines and I love them all, but trying to get a buzz on them on the road is going to end badly one way or another in the end. My saving grace was an out of character test of the Hyper' 950....WOW.... it was like going back 25 years, massive fun and hooning, but not Pani' warp speed, did some research and saw the 44Teeth review of the 950 and changed the 1299 for a 950 SP the next day. Keep it right side up kids......from an old git who can't hack it anymore :-)
The 950 Hyper is actually the only new bike I really, really want. My current bike is a 990SD, and the one before was a KTM 950SM. The SD is not going anywhere, but if I'm getting a new one the Hyper is the answer.
You really make me exited about the 950. I always wanted the Panigale. After owning 2 times Tuono V4, I thought the time is right now to go for the Panigale.
Lads I'd love to see you guys do a video on what's best for the road when it comes to real world fun bikes... I'll use the Yamahas as an example... is it the "lower" power (with spec'd up suspension etc) MT07... is it the middleweight MT09 or is it the supernaked MT10... which is really most fun in the real world? You could apply the same logic to the KTMs, Triumphs, Kawasakis etc etc
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Great comment @NomadLad. So often the focus is 'track, track, track' when you don't fucking well buy a bike for the track but to hoon around on the road, commuting to work, riding around the hills & the odd weekend escape. PS I had the MT07 for three years & it was a rewarding bike. So underrated and more power than you'd expect for a 650/680/700. Respect to you mate.
i would say, some midrange bike like the mt09 or Street Trible, KTM 790 etc. more than enought for the streets and less cheaper than the super naked. I mean yeah the big boys make fun and i enjoy my Super Duke everytime but the brain just hits the emergency switch every time you sit on the bike beside of the effect of the wallet it has.
I won't answer the question but I test ride a lot of bikes, basically every new bike for the last 5 years, and the single main factor for a fun road bike, for me, is power to weight ratio. If you're choosing between 2 bikes, the lighter one is generally more fun.
Hope that helps!
I'll throw in my 2 cents. I recently upgraded from an MT-07 to a 1290 Super Duke and I'd say realistically the MT-07 is more fun. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter and you can actually use most of what it's got and enjoy the noise without losing your license. The Super Duke is just scary amounts of power and goes from chill to losing your license/death in 2 seconds. I only got rid of the MT-07 because they rust, the stock suspension is awful, it has no quickshifter and mine had some wear and tear but those are things that can be fixed if you don't mind spending a little extra on it. The MT-07 is a bit gutless after 70mph but it was more fun around town (the Super Duke can power wheelie up to 130mph which isn't very fun around town).
Can't wait for a supernaked comparison video. Superduke v Streetfighter v Tuono
Yes!!!
...that left me thinking if there would be any other contenders? Z H2 hasn't got a chance?
Miika Venäläinen waaaaay to unhandy and too fat to get a compee
We need this
@@gerritducati9615 Z H2 does belong with that group and it's one of the best more weight doesn't mean worse bike
Got my SFV4S last week. My first Ducati, and non "race" bike. At 53, my back and arms (and arse) didn't want to ride longer than 25 minutes on a race bike anymore. The SFV4S is a revelation. Comfortable, super fast, very flick-able, and I will know how good it is around the Nurburgring next week! Panigale does look super sexy though!
How was your ride around the Nürburgring?
I loves a Ducati me - shame I've nowhere near enough riding skill to really appreciate the nuances, so taking your word for the riding subtleties chaps, doesn't stop me looking forward to having a go on these puppies sometime soon though! Thanks for a great vid....and a reminder of what sunshine looks like....
I just bought a GN250 other then that I have a R1 RN32 as a track bike. I would recommend to 250 to a person like you :D
Just traded my 2018 Panigale for the Streetfighter. Absolutely agree with all your points. The road handling of the Streetfighter is sublime. So although I love the looks of the Panigale, the punt I took on ordering the Streetfighter in November has paid off. For the road it is just about perfect. Off to do some more running in...
Due to the bodyposition and the following vindresistance and weightdistrubution nakeds usually gets a bit light in the front wich actually means that the SFV4 benefits more off the wings than maybe the panigale in high speeds.
Just done a two day trip around Germany, Czech and Poland with a Panigale 4v and Tuono, on the autobahn the Panigale was more comfortable at (very) high speed, everywhere else the Tuono was more comfortable. The Tuono was faster on the roads we didn't know because of the higher riding position and the wider bars which made changing lines midway round a corner an option you don't get with a Panigale which holds a line beautifully on track but needs too much commitment to go fast on the road when the Tuono can be slung into a corner and then picked up and slung in a second time or just tightened up without any dramas so it was much more confidence inspiring.
My vote for best street bike would be an RSV4 1100 with modified race fairing (to save neck muscles) and Tuono top yoke to take the Tuono bars, similar to the Pikes Peak Tuono. Money waiting if Aprilia are interested and can resist the urge to do the reducing torque thing Ducati ruined the Streetfighter with. And for gods sake buy the switchgear from the same place as Ducati and put some decent paint on it.
Tuono has les torque than Rsv4 only at those peak rpm's you can't use on the street. ..or you mean you'd better trade low rpm torque with more peak hp and have a Tuono with same heads and tune of Rsv4 for street use ?
Went from a blade to a Tuono, loved it but had to go back to a sports bike.(s1000rr) I missed the "race" riding position. But wish I had both. I think both is the answer here.
I’m looking forward to seeing the quote in the Panigale advert “44 Teeth - Rampant Slag” LOL
In a very over produced artistic commercial.
Sheer poetry
I wish this could happen 👌
Streetfighter riding position is way better for the street. I had a supersport once and it made no sense unless you’re on a track. This is why naked bikes are so popular.
Not ridden the Pani yet but enjoyed the Streetfighte, but for me ultimate naked for the road is the Superduke!
You're not wrong dad
I would go for the Panigale. I don't have time to do long trip on Streetfighter anyway. And on track days the Panigale would do better in term of wind protection.
I'm hopefully getting back on a bike in the next couple of years after a long hiatus. I used to have a 2013 1199S and had over 5k miles on it before life circumstances forced me to sell it. I honestly thought it was very comfortable for a sport bike especially considering it was my first sport bike EVER.
The SFV4S has caught my attention, but after having a Panigale and putting plenty of miles on it, I think I will be going with a Panigale V4S.
There's just something oh so magical and sexy about the Panigales that I know if I went with the SFV4S I would eventually see a Panigale V4S on the road and regret my decision.
Sorry for the long response. Lol...
I own a 19 V4S and I do prefer the bike without the wings. For the people that don’t like the wings, just buy an earlier model. I know there are a few computer and mechanical features that differentiate the older v4s and the new but not enough if one doesn’t like the wings. Honestly, the wings are there for the very top of the line guys needing every tiny advantage possible in a race. I beat a guy on a brand new winged v4s like he owed me money whilst riding my V4S without wings. It it comes down to the driver’s talent and the little things a bike can give to help the rider win a race. In the case of weekend warriors, it just isn’t going to make two cents difference.
Fastest bike in the world or not, the Ducati V4S is just a beautiful and amazing piece of machinery. I found myself on an open highway late at night coming back from a big event and McLaren P1 rolls up on me and we both just went balls out. Now that was a blast.
So rather I am on an auto Cross track, drag racing, or just cruising, the Ducati’s are just outstandingly remarkable and beautiful machines.
Frame geometry is identical meaning both bikes have the same frame casting with respect to the steering, however, the rake angle is 2 degrees different - this is done with a frame insert to change the head angle. The SF has more rake. I have confirmed this visually with part numbers and measured both bikes with a digital angle finder.
Neither. I went with the 2019 V4S because o liked it more. The 2020 fairings roasted my legs on the street and... it was more tame but i didn't want tame. Also i bought 2020 set of fairings for when im at the track. The wings really do help at 100+. But the previous fairings feel leagues better on the street imo.
I rode the Streetfighter V4S with the full Akrapovic race system and it changed the bike enormously and made it ballistic like you mentioned it might be missing. It doesn’t need to rev as high as it does it feels insane to rev out
"Slipping over their own fanny batter to get on" OMG :D
Wings on a superbike you might take to the track, OK makes a bit of sense... Wings on a naked bike is ridiculous, IMO. I agree with Chris, it would look a lot nicer without them.
Then either dont buy one or take the wings of👌
I'll save people some time. If you ride primarily on the track, Panigale. If you ride primarily on the street, Streetfighter (hint...it's literally in the name)
Short answer: BOTH
I wouldn’t buy either bike until Ducati adds the unbridled RACE-A- mode from the Superleggera which eliminates the rubbish torque nanny-ing.
Is it the same torque nanny-ing with 2018/2019 Panigale v4?
Worth noting... the guy (Dave Moss Tuning) who setup my suspension on my Streetfighter V4S informed me that the Streetfighter has the Panigale V4R front forks which to him was a big deal and a real advantage over the Panigale V4S forks. I don't remember the technical reasons of what made the R forks so much better but he was happy about that. FYI. Cool review of the two bikes. Thanks guys.
Judging by your highly regarded opinions, I would definitely go for the Streetfighter V4S. I love the way it sits there minding it own business. At first, I was intimidated by the numbers. However, after listening to you guys, I feel confident that I could tour with it. Enjoy it. Rev its pants off when I want and be content with its wings. Being half Italian myself, I guess it's fitting that its more tame than the Panigale V4S. I guess you have to be full blooded Italian for that machine. Sorry, just being a bit of a sausage there. Thanks for the comparison gentleman. Much love from Pittsburgh PA! Cheers!
I ate at an Italian restaurant last night, now own two Italian bikes. LOL.. (Former Pittsburgh resident myself)
I bought the SFV4s and haven't looked back. After riding the Panigale v4s I decided for public roads and daily riding its just too much.
So that’s a ‘definite maybe’....let’s face it no one ever bought a Panigale for comfort. Loving the depth of field you could be miniature scale models #tilt shift
Ha, ha, so 23 seconds in and we already know that a Bristolian doing an Italian accent sounds Irish... Ace!
A month ago I did the same test myself as I decided it was time after 8 years to change my Panigale 1199S for a new one. I did the back to back on Snell’s two V4’s and came to the conclusion that for the road the Panigale needed the sprockets changed to the same gearing as the Streetfighter. My decision was to get the Streetfighter V4S, however I then got distracted by a new V4R and bought that. However on a back to back I have to agree with you that the Streetfighter is the much better road bike, and one hell of a bike all together.
Now the next interesting test, on the road, testing the 2020 Panigale V4S against the V4R...!
I can't afford anyone among those two,😅 but still love to watch these beauties ♥️
Most of us can't, but we can dream 😎
The bikes aren't bad either
This video will become usefull in 2030!
Nobody can , that's why you have finance option .
@@Sanisani9 Still can't 😂
Another awesome review guys, I'm v. tempted to chop my Superduke in for the new Streetfighter....and then I watch your review of the new Superduke....and then I watch your review of the Tuono....I then I watch some random northerner wash a bike while Chris eats an ice cream to take my mind off the decision! Best content on RUclips, period.
I've always stuck with naked bikes because I like to go on long rides (4+ hours). I rode on my friends R6 and my back was done after an hour.
Ducati we need more colours to choose from pls! Make in Yellow, White or Black!
I agree. The Streetfighter in pearl white or matte black would be much better looking
@@crownmoto I mean literally ANY extra colour would do!
Neither.... Im poor and stuck with a poor man's bike 😂😂
I have a Streetfighter super comfortable can ride all day without complaint, doesn’t roast your nuts like a panigale, I put an MRA windshield which makes a massive difference over 200kph
Test riding the street fighter and Panigale V4S on Friday so this is helping make my mind up
Brilliant video - but I'm still getting an MV Agusta when its time for a change.
I see MV Agusta, I upvote.
@@RutgerSmets same, pure sex
Easy! If you have a strong back and wrists, get the Panigale. (It’s much better looking and offers wind protection.) If not, get the Streetfighter...
Even with both a strong wrist, back, neck, knees, legs, etc. The torture rack ergos of the Panigale will make you stop every 40 miles to realign the spine.
Street fighter with a touring and I’m good to go , oh and money 💰 😂
Gas consumption is Brutal!! 100 miles if your lucky on a tank
Multi v4 with a 28litre safari tank.
Saving up the pennies and ill be getting a v4 panigale myself soon 😁
20:50 "if you're doing 130 on the road, you're either gonna be dead, or arrested"
That's the speed at which we ride in Mexico 😎 (on 1000cc+ superbikes and when the road conditions allows it)
Can do the same in the USA, but same thing, depends on the conditions. Much, much harder to do any sustained high speeds in New England compared to, say, New Mexico.
Here in Miami if your doing less than 90-mph, someone is up your ass. So a typical ride I cruise at 105-115mph !! These guys live in a cramped place not good for 1000-cc Superbikes!! I wouldn’t own over a 450-cc in the UK
130 on the highway in America is not a hard thing to do. I can go a few miles doing that speed and not even pass a car.
@@michaeljkasnter any UK brand bike will cope with the UK roads, just look at the TT racing
On me C90 i gets me elbow down on all the roundabouts at 130 🏍
The wings are not for down force, they are there so you have somewhere to put your sausage roll / pastie / chips when you stop for luncheon.
Well done, fellas. As a fan/owner of the Monster series, unfortunately, they're not all day friendly to ride. Would be nice to see a 959 version of a Streetfighter. Would make it much more accessible from a price perspective and not everyone needs, or wants 200+ HP. Keep up the great work....
I wish I had Panigale money haha.
Im really keen on a Ducati down the track but the Monster 821 or Supersport S is the price range I feel comfortable with.
As a bit older ripper that naked bike is hands down my choice. No need for fairings etc as I don't race. Naked bikes do track days very well also. Great review boys...
its so hard to pick just one because i think both of them are the top bikes for 2020. ducati did a really great job. like what baron said if its for a show off bike i would go for panigale. but to be realistic i would go for the street fighter. streetfighter it is a jaw dropper but the effect of seeing a panigale specially this model.. women panties will fly over your visor for sure
As I became an old person I lost basically all interest in rolling around public roads on a race bike heh. My vote would be the street fighter. But even that thing is probably too crazy.
In Quebec Canada the registrations (license plates) are cheaper on a naked bike and with the rough roads we have here the Streetfighter is a win win. Both are great bikes, Im VW/Audi bias
Great review Gents. I would take option number 3. Panigale V2
You wait till Ducati releases Streetfighter V2 for £12k!
@@PabloConcrete Yes PLEASE!!!! I'm there like a bear!!!! STREET FIGHTER V2 for 2021 !!!!
@@barryvercueil2346 It will definitely happen, especially now when Ducati sports bikes are easier to ride than ever before!
Would love to see comparison tests between V2 and v4 around somewhere like Mallory Park.
All the subtle lil jokes and edits are what make this channel so special.
I think we fall in the same category as far as our opinions go for the Streetfighter. Get the thought out of your mind that it's not a great bike, because it absolutely is. It can handle everything you throw at it and do it just fine. The issue comes when comparing it to the Panigale, and the fact that you are comparing it to the Panigale itself, that find yourself feeling like anything less than the Panigale would mean you lose out on potential performance. So you have to define what is your own personal potential, because everyone knows the potential for the bike. Do you really find yourself able to eek out the extra power at the top, while settling for the poor seating position? This is the hardest choice I'm having between the two: Performance at the top end that I would use in a limited capacity, Vs. seating comfort and ride-ability that I would be able to use at all times. I know I'd be comfortable both in my seat and in my arms with controlling the Streetfighter, but in the back of my mind I know I'd be missing out on all the Super Bike qualities that make me love Ducati so much.
Another example of difficult choices to make (both extremely out of my ballpark but comparison wise it makes sens): Lamborghini Murcielago with its gated manual shifter, or Lamborghini Aventadore. You want a Lamborghini because you want that Italian supercar performance, you want the V12, you want the entire experience. It all boils down to flappy paddles or the third pedal, and you have to ask yourself the question "Will I drive this through town, in stop-go traffic having to baby it and enjoy it, or would I rather prefer the simplicity of flappy paddles to let me take in the experience more?"
It's a tough choice. I'm just glad that I'm here to be able to witness and experience them hopefully in the future.
16:42 "Maybe first and probably one above first, I don't know, it's that good."
I agree with the wings option in having them or not having them.
Fagan's landing strip is the perfect artistic inverse of these bikes ;)
Great review! Love my 2020 Panigale V4 - no issues and have approximately 2k miles so far. Selected it over the Streetfighter due to looks/preference for race bikes over the standard supernaked models. It definitely feels more subdued compared to my 1198, but love the improvement in cornering and power in upper RPMs. Love them both! I will however be adding the Akra system to V4 "get back" some of that angry attitude though! By the way, you can buy straight from Ducati an option that removes the Panigale wings and replaces them with a "red insert" (I actually like mine as is and will keep the wings).
My friend has V4s. He will buy Streetfighter afterwards. Same time can be settled on a track on those two almost. + Streetfighter is just more usable outside the track.
Just looking at the panigale and thats all the reason to choose it for me
Expectations: Ducati = Chick magnet
Reality: Ducati = Dick magnet
I own a 2018 Super Duke 1290r. All the horsepower and torque below 9500 rpm around town. I wanted a companion to the SD. I looked at the Streetfighter V4 but I can not use all the power of the SD. So my companion bike to the beast is the beauty, MV Agusta Dragster 800 rr Pirelli Edition. The Triple sounds like a F1. With 370 pounds dry, 54 inch WB and 140 horsepower, it is perfect.
"Slipping over their own fanny batter..." Gents, please don't EVER change! 😂👏👍
the beep at the girls gave you the thumbs up haha
By far the best bike reviews. I see these bikes all over the Angeles Crest in LA, but this is where I get the big picture.
My financial advisor says "None of them..."
Would love to see a sport bike comparison that isn’t track or road, but rather road and 5-6 track days per year. What’s the best compromise for fun, forget lap times, and include sport snd streetfighter styles.
I think Ducati had a bit of pickle with the pricing of the Streetfighter, they need to be competitive with the Super Duke and the Tuono but if they lowered the price that much, they would further cannibalize the sales of the Monster 1200 and Panigale, which without a doubt they already will, so they had to push the price upwards and the way to justify the overhead compared to the competition was to have a massive horsepower number, which caused the bike with less weight over the front to be have the same problem of the original SF, quite an untamed beast, to compensate for sure they introduced torque limits in the ECU, introduce the longer swinging arm and so on. From my personal point of view, I love Ducati's and own a Multistrada, love the Panigale since it came out but never wanted to live with pain that is to ride one on the road, always wished for the SF to come out but now that it did, it's simply to expensive and not helped by Corona either as the delivery time would mean the 2020 would be over by the time I got it. The truth is, ignoring the list price, the out of the door price of the Tuono was unbeatable, for me it is more exciting than the SF, sounds better, handled better (maybe most of it to do with the fact the tires are better on the Tuono), yes it looks a bit dated but when riding it makes me giggle with it's amazing communicative feeling and the intoxicating sound and power. Whichever bike one chooses, one will be happy, they are all excellent bikes, I couldn't really justify the extra money for the Ducati, plus for the money, no cruise control, conventional turn signals and not a single carbon fiber part are unforgivable.
One of each, problem solved!! or at least in my dream world. I have seriously considered a SFV4 to replace a few bikes but I am not sure it would be a better situation. I have a 2022 Hyper 950SP and a 1290 SD Evo. They are two totally different machines but really kind of for the same thing....hooliganism! I prefer the ride quality on the Hyper due to the Ohlins, I feel it is more fun to ride and that is saying a lot. On the other hand the SD is almost a perfect motorcycle, great gas mileage, comfortable, tech etc. That being said if I could blend the two together it would be perfect. I wish the hyper had the tech of the SD so I have looked for a bike that might be a combo of the two hence the idea of the street fighter, I have even considered the Super Sport 950S which I have ridden and loved. The problem is, Ducati skimps on the tech.....I still can't believe there is no gas gauge, cruise control etc. but I can forego that for the refinement. This bike would be for weekend fun, Tail of the Dragon etc. excursions. Anyone out there who has directly compared, specifically, the 2023 SFV4S to the 2022-23 Super Duke 1290 Evo? I heard that the 2023 SFV4 has much better torque than the earlier models but does it even come close to the SD? The Super Sport has tons of torque and pull like the Hyper and to me, that is what makes these bikes fun on the street. If the SFV4 still needs to be wound up I will pass. I even took a ride with a buddy who has a SFV2 and after swapping bikes he wanted to buy my Hyper. Even that V2 required way high RPM to find the power, it was slightly piggish in corners, at least compared to the Hyper but it still had the Ducati ride quality. I feel like my SD has simply too much torque making it extremely fun but also too fast for the road. I get it that we are talking 208HP on the SFV4 but is it too much for the street in anyone's experience?
More comparison videos please chaps! As someone who has just bought a GSA1250, and said i never would, whilst also having a S1000RR in the garage, i am slowly leaning towards upright and naked's for our roads. Productions like this give substance to decision making - especially 11:20.
You said in the review of the Z1000SX that the fairing made for a more confident front end feel over its fully naked cousin. Those 28 kg at 130 mph from the wings would be 6 kg at 60 mph. Same difference.
I wonder if the Panigale tail will be a direct fit onto the Streetfighter...🤔 Especially for us loners - "V4 Streetfighter, Loner Edition"
Fair play, after all this time I would have grown tired about the David Walliams sound alike thing, but he’s still rocking it. Well done.
Street Fighter all day every day. Having said that I'll stick with my s1000r. It's a killer.
Anyone else think a street fighter V2 would be a good idea? That’s the bike I’d buy
You mean like a Monster?
Philip B hmm interesting point
The streetfighter v2 is coming
Hokagé Ninja ha! Just googled it. Awesome! Now I just need money....
Having a supersport for the roads is just for those who wanna look good imo.
Well I've never met some who doesn't wanna look good.
I agree with what they said, I would prefer the street fighter without the wings. It’s too busy. I may still get one.
You guys are unbeatable.
Coming from a Mt07 now Panigale V4 21. idk i feel like switching to the Streetfighter for more comfort as every time i finish from a ride my body is destroyed but find it hard to give up the full fairing look and just that bit extra flex
I recently traded my '18 Panigale for a Z900RS after collecting too many points on my license in the hope it would slow me down... I have to say, I'm absolutely now in the camp that riding superbikes on the road is just not worth it - I get far more enjoyment from my naked retro, open face helmet and legal speeds. The crazy thing is it is just as fun when blasting around the Yorkshire Dales.
If you could only have one bike and that bike had to be a Ducati, then, Streetfighter.
Both are a wet dream.
"Fanny batter", you guys crack me up 😂😂👍🏻
Love coming back and playing this video to sleep and dream with Ducati’s
Neither. Multistrada V4 that's been "leaked".
Hope it has better engine and more feedback through the chassis than the old 1200 mts.
More race enduro less fat tourer, please!
I love my 19 V4 s, to me (but I ride every day) find it very comfortable. Love the video
I heard that Ducati motorcycle maintenance is hard to find and expensive that is my only concern on buying the Streetfighter V4S.
I’ll take my V4S. I hate how the SF looks. I am very much a “function follows form” type of guy. I may be in pain...but I look awesome.
I hope both these bikes sell like crazy. Mainly so I can sell my 1199 and get a deal on a used one.
Would have loved to see a friendly pull between these 2. For science.
I have both a 2019 Ducati V4 R and a brand new 2020 MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR and I'll be the first to admit that my Brutale is way more beautiful, and just as fast, as my V4 R. No bike in the world is more beautiful than the Brutale 1000RR/Rush/Oro...
Nice job guys! Since I’m a naked rider 🤔, I’m wondering how the street fighter would behave as a touring bike. Including bags etc. Would be nice if you can me a video about that.
The wheels are not forged one's on the streetfighter v4s.. which the panigale has and also includes lithium battery
Oh, that's easy. Plan on a lot of track days, not as much street riding. Then The Aprilia RSV4 1100. If mostly street, canyon riding, then a Aprilia Tuono factory. There, that wasn't so hard.
of those two, the nekkid. of the current crop of bikes for 2020, the Super Duke.
One thing is for sure the next 21 minutes Is going to be awesome thank you very much for new video keep up the good work boys love you. Stay safe
Love the Streetfighter, but no Doris Please... ! The Streetfighter .... “practicality” love it.
Thanks again for a top vid - just needed a wee "...and now Mossy's verdict" at the end 😆
I would say just get the V2 instead but just had a look and prices start at £15,295!!! 😲
The BMW with M package doesn't include heated grips, but I doubt you needed those.
Great video would love to see the 2020 v4s up against the new 2020 aprila rsv4 factory.. it's nearly 5k cheaper.. v4 shootout...anyone agree