Oh absolutely, I managed to make it through 1st horn Schubert's unfinished while transposing from D a couple months ago. First time I've managed to transpose something all the way through
Transposing a horn is very easy if you want to play trumpet or clarinet Just hold down the trigger and play trumpet fingerings this only works on double horns
It also works the other way around! I played bari sax in a small band, and often I would play tuba, baritone, or euphonium music and just change the key signature!
Also a rarely boring part. I can’t remember the last time my horn 1 music wasn’t enjoyable let alone boring. Best one though was water music which is written for horn in bass E. Made for a fun transposition project.
@@ThatcrazyBand_kid yeah I do. Every instrument's part is important for the resulting combined sound, regardless of complexity. It's called being a team player. My band teacher in highschool let everyone who wanted to pull this and guess what? We were missing half the song time after time. A good director would pick music to make sure that everyone got a chance to play the complex parts.
We french horn players may be the best transposers in the band hahah F is a great key to transpose to given the other instruments keys and clefs, once you get used to it you can easily play whatever part you want :)
Add to that the fact that many older pieces write for Horn in other keys - from the days before rotors and when Horns would change crooks for different keys - and we had to be the best by necessity
I remember my teacher showing this to me my second year. I'm a bassoonist, but i had forgotten my method book. Now you can blow their minds and show them tenor clef. I adore orchestral bassoon playing.
As a bari sax, transposition is literally so easy. If there's no bari part in a piece I just get tuba/euphonium/trombone music and struggle to transpose accidentalls because my small brain can never remember how those work
@@dwyl183 those are instruments that I play, sorry if I misunderstood and those are instruments you play , but from my understanding you listed instruments at your school. Here is a list of instruments, my school has. This is just for band not including orchestra we have: Flute Clarinet Tenor saxophone Trumpet French horn Trombone Bass clarinet Barry sax Euphonium Tuba Oboe Bassoon Percussion
As a freshman in highschool and a French horn player, I can confirm French horn parts are usually pretty interesting but sometimes you get really boring parts, whenever I get boring parts I ask my band director if I can either take it up an octive or play the alto part and because I have known my band director since 3rd grade because I am friends with his son I usually do both. This makes the boring regular note French horn holds become fun extremely difficult runs.
same here, we’re actually working on a piece right now and horn (me) has melody and countermelody throughout almost the whole piece, and I mean yea sometimes we get boring parts but I still have a lot of fun playing them lol
The written b4 is a different concert pitch on all saxophones, on soprillo its a concert a5, soprinino is d5, soprano is a4, mezzo soprano is e4, alto is d4, c melody is b3, tenor is a3, the written b4 on bari is what sounds like d3 or the d on the middle line on the bass staff, on bass, b4 sounds like a2, contrabass is d2, and then the subcontrabass is a1
I play tuba and I know how to read bari music because of this, also i know saxophone fingerings, that written b4 would just be the top finger key for the left hand
Wow! I didn't know treble clef Eb notes looked the same as bass clef notes 🤯 Sounds so handy! Just change the clef and transpose down by an octave 🤯 Not that it matters to me, in most cases 😅
As someone who went from playing alto sax in middle school to trombone in highschool, Ive been so happy because I can read my old music and play it on my trombone as a warm up
As a percussionist learning the bass cleff for the timpani felt so empowering that I could switch from bells to timpani in 3 seconds and have zero stuggle
The boring parts are important too ❤ sometimes we just gotta take one for the team and play the boring parts so that the starring instruments can have their moment 🥰
this fact has always been so cool to me… there’s random things that just connect like that. Trumpet can read tenor clef concert pitch. Although I feel like your example’s more accurate with Bari sax… I don’t see why the trombone would play a part that high pitched.
I’m an 8th grade flute and our part is never boring it’s just way too high like my band teacher gave us music with f’s that are five lines above the staff
When I did school band we had everything in treble clef. Cue Tenor Sax playing Euphonium or Trombone parts or vice versa. And the Batitone Sax playing Tuba. But never the other way around.
Nah French horn parts aren’t boring from my experience, they’re just shared, and we never get our own part most of the time. We share a lot of music with Alto saxes.
HELP WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THIS?!? MY TROMBONE PARTS ARE ALWAYS BORING AND I COULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING THE ALTO SAX PARTS?!? I FEEL LIKE MY WHOLE LIFE HAS VHANGED😭😭😔😔
After decades of teaching orchestration and part-writing, this is BRILLIANT! Now, of course, they can write in concert C and the computer pulls it apart. So I usually make them write some by hand. You know . . .
My mom was a band teacher for 11 years and I really hope she’s started watching these videos I’ve been sending her because OH BOY have I heard the stories!!! 😂😂
as a bari sax that had to play trombone/tuba music all through middle school because no one ever wrote a bari sax part my band director didn’t want me to play the alto part, i can confirm this is very true
I play alto sax and my friend plays trombone. Whenever we play happy birthday we always play each other's parts just switch the clef and keep the key signature because it's exactly the same other than those two things
For the musical last year we didn’t have a bassoon but we had a bari sax who had almost no parts so he played the bassoon parts which all he had to know was transpose the key signature since his notes in treble clef were equivalent to bass clef
this is how i "learned" to play tuba! all i had to do was learn the fingering for each note, and i never bothered to learn how to actually read bass clef lol
Back many years ago I figured out transposing bass clef to Eb real fast when I would forget my music and just read off of the kid playing bass clef next to me when I first started playing baritone sax when I was around 12, I'm 47 now lol
I used to play French horn and a lot of the time there weren't French horn parts printed so I had to transpose. Good thing half the time French horn sounds right regardless 😂
As a person who has struggled transposing French horn, the last sentence ignited PTSD.
Oh absolutely, I managed to make it through 1st horn Schubert's unfinished while transposing from D a couple months ago. First time I've managed to transpose something all the way through
Transposing a horn is very easy if you want to play trumpet or clarinet Just hold down the trigger and play trumpet fingerings this only works on double horns
@@M0N3YMANOFFICIAL I hardly ever tried this since my range was a big issue
Yeah, ive dont this, but most people don't own a double horn, as they are quite pricey.@M0N3YMANOFFICIAL
Just a fifth up from conc. Not too bad
I figured this out on my own and would switch with the trombones. My director LOVED me.
I’m sure the trombones did too
I’m a Bari and I’ll switch with the tuba sometimes, great fun
also genuinely useful for reading jazz charts
It also works the other way around! I played bari sax in a small band, and often I would play tuba, baritone, or euphonium music and just change the key signature!
Ditto
In my band we never had bassoons so we’d have either a bari or alto sax play the bassoon part.
It's all fun and games until you hit an accidental and have to transpose even more
Good french horn parts are not boring at all. You just get to blast the ceiling off with reckless abandon.
But then there are the off-beats…
Loving the lil bit of music theory
Trying to throw that teaching in there :D
I play french horn - kinda got the joke as the only F instrument in the band LMAO
Also a rarely boring part. I can’t remember the last time my horn 1 music wasn’t enjoyable let alone boring.
Best one though was water music which is written for horn in bass E. Made for a fun transposition project.
me too 😭 ... I beg my band director for lower notes because omg I cannot hit the super high A.
@@Kylieeeee941 have you tried changing your mouthpiece to a deep welt cup? That completely changed my range and it’s more comfortable.
@@ggexploringUTI can, any fukin Philip Sausa March 😂
@@SPIRIT_IS_COOLANY match really. I’ve only played one that didn’t suck for horn parts
As the tuba, I WANT THE FRICKING MELODY
As an alto sax, I need y'all on your own parts so the song sounds how it's supposed to.
YES! I am also a alto sax player
@@Wyatt_does_Stuff eyyyyy!😃
No no you don't
@@ThatcrazyBand_kid yeah I do. Every instrument's part is important for the resulting combined sound, regardless of complexity. It's called being a team player. My band teacher in highschool let everyone who wanted to pull this and guess what? We were missing half the song time after time. A good director would pick music to make sure that everyone got a chance to play the complex parts.
Yeah because every school has every part
We french horn players may be the best transposers in the band hahah F is a great key to transpose to given the other instruments keys and clefs, once you get used to it you can easily play whatever part you want :)
Add to that the fact that many older pieces write for Horn in other keys - from the days before rotors and when Horns would change crooks for different keys - and we had to be the best by necessity
As an English horn player, I agree (also in F).
I remember my teacher showing this to me my second year. I'm a bassoonist, but i had forgotten my method book. Now you can blow their minds and show them tenor clef. I adore orchestral bassoon playing.
As percussionist, I've just always smiled and nodded
So real bro
tbf, percussion instruments are incredibly varied as is
trumpet/tenor sax also works. Also, if you want an interesting part, just switch to trumpet.
The tenor sax part is usually the same thing as the trombone part
As a bari sax, transposition is literally so easy. If there's no bari part in a piece I just get tuba/euphonium/trombone music and struggle to transpose accidentalls because my small brain can never remember how those work
Musician and Composer here; Playing Alto Sax actually helped me read bass clef fluently!
I play the drums but this is interesting to me
yes, best instrument transposition tip ever
"Laughs in tuba"
At school I am one of the few people who play 2 instruments and it made me extremely happy that the two I play are French horn and trombone
Same except I play valve trombone and mello
I play French horn and I want to learn trumpet. As a secondary of course French horns are the best.
my school is crazy, we got:
alto & f horn
trumpet & tuba
alto & bari
and either:
alto & drumset
clarinet & drumset
or trumpet & drumset
@@donut-r4s6z based
@@dwyl183 those are instruments that I play, sorry if I misunderstood and those are instruments you play , but from my understanding you listed instruments at your school. Here is a list of instruments, my school has. This is just for band not including orchestra we have:
Flute
Clarinet
Tenor saxophone
Trumpet
French horn
Trombone
Bass clarinet
Barry sax
Euphonium
Tuba
Oboe
Bassoon
Percussion
As a tuba player I’m triggered stfu trombone play my part! 😂😂😂
My buddy and I couldn't find a good duet for a competition, so we played an alto sax duet on the euphonium.
It also works for clarinet! It helps getting those high notes!
I wish my band director was like that #stopthehateontrombone
Your French horn stuff is always so accurate
I wish there were more songs out there for French horn
There are a LOT of songs for french horn. Its one of the oldest instruments
Literally listen to any rossano galante song
There is quite a few but when it comes to band the directors have to search for music for you because flutes are too high and tubas are to low
I did this once. They needed a baritone for concert band and i volunteered to do it but i played trumpet. So just converted trebel to bass cleft.
fun fact: trombones (as well as euphoniums for that matter) also play in treble clef.
the french horn thing at the end was so perfect
As a freshman in highschool and a French horn player, I can confirm French horn parts are usually pretty interesting but sometimes you get really boring parts, whenever I get boring parts I ask my band director if I can either take it up an octive or play the alto part and because I have known my band director since 3rd grade because I am friends with his son I usually do both. This makes the boring regular note French horn holds become fun extremely difficult runs.
same here, we’re actually working on a piece right now and horn (me) has melody and countermelody throughout almost the whole piece, and I mean yea sometimes we get boring parts but I still have a lot of fun playing them lol
Bass and Eb work biconditionally, and you can read C tenor clef as Bb Treble clef the same way
I loved doing this for bari sax and tuba
This does work, trust me!! Got bored while looking at cello note music and was able to play it on flute for fun
For those who don’t know, French horn only has a cleff and stuff unique to its instrument only
The man who figures that out deserves a noble prize or something
woah I'd never thought of the clefs this wwayu! That's brilliant!
Brilliant!
Transposing for horn is always... fun
The written b4 is a different concert pitch on all saxophones, on soprillo its a concert a5, soprinino is d5, soprano is a4, mezzo soprano is e4, alto is d4, c melody is b3, tenor is a3, the written b4 on bari is what sounds like d3 or the d on the middle line on the bass staff, on bass, b4 sounds like a2, contrabass is d2, and then the subcontrabass is a1
I play tuba and I know how to read bari music because of this, also i know saxophone fingerings, that written b4 would just be the top finger key for the left hand
As a horn player I felt that
I play flute and contrabass, but I keep my sheet music in the same folder. Whenever I’m bored, I like to air my bass music on the flute :D
Actually huge essential info
Wow! I didn't know treble clef Eb notes looked the same as bass clef notes 🤯 Sounds so handy! Just change the clef and transpose down by an octave 🤯
Not that it matters to me, in most cases 😅
This is a great tip for anyone in early band
As someone who went from playing alto sax in middle school to trombone in highschool, Ive been so happy because I can read my old music and play it on my trombone as a warm up
yup! i play bari sax in my school's jazz band and have played the trombone 4 part on occasion
I realized this when I was playing with my friend- an alto player- and now we trade music all the time!
I love this my band teacher told me this last year and it’s alll I do for pep band!
As a percussionist learning the bass cleff for the timpani felt so empowering that I could switch from bells to timpani in 3 seconds and have zero stuggle
That's actually really smart 😂
My favorite trick from HS!!!
Just you wait till they have to read their Own music without the trombones 😅
As a Boss Trombone player (boss for a reason), my band director puts me on the Tuba part and honking low notes are good enough for me
The boring parts are important too ❤ sometimes we just gotta take one for the team and play the boring parts so that the starring instruments can have their moment 🥰
As a bari sax player, I did this all the time. Works with tuba too, but when you hit an accidental, you gotta be careful.
As a barisax, this makes me a low brass/saxophone/bass hybrid because I play with all of them
this fact has always been so cool to me… there’s random things that just connect like that. Trumpet can read tenor clef concert pitch.
Although I feel like your example’s more accurate with Bari sax… I don’t see why the trombone would play a part that high pitched.
It just depends on the song for alto sometimes it's really high sometimes it's really not it just depends
I used to do this! I play alto sax and sometimes I liked to read my bass clef friends' music and it sounded the same!
OH MY GOSH REALLLL I’m a French horn and practically the whole concert we just played G!
Figured this out when I switched from Trombone to Alto in 6th grade. I thought that was a really cool thing!
I’m an 8th grade flute and our part is never boring it’s just way too high like my band teacher gave us music with f’s that are five lines above the staff
Literally do this every day in jazz band
For French horn I can play really low so on boring and less important parts I play tuba because they are right behind me in band so yeah.
Last sentence as if horns dont ALWAYS get the best parts
sometimes....
When I did school band we had everything in treble clef. Cue Tenor Sax playing Euphonium or Trombone parts or vice versa. And the Batitone Sax playing Tuba. But never the other way around.
Nah French horn parts aren’t boring from my experience, they’re just shared, and we never get our own part most of the time. We share a lot of music with Alto saxes.
Thx for including French horn in your vids
This works great, but beware, you have to add 3 flats when going to concert pitch and subtract 3 flats when going to Eb
I never knew this! So cool!
HELP WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THIS?!?
MY TROMBONE PARTS ARE ALWAYS BORING AND I COULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING THE ALTO SAX PARTS?!? I FEEL LIKE MY WHOLE LIFE HAS VHANGED😭😭😔😔
After decades of teaching orchestration and part-writing, this is BRILLIANT!
Now, of course, they can write in concert C and the computer pulls it apart. So I usually make them write some by hand. You know . . .
When I was playing alto, I would occasionally be assigned a trombone part. We were a small band and had more saxophones than trombones.
My band teacher will randomly be like hmmmm let’s give you the euphonium part! How does that sound!? And I’m like uhh sure😅
yep! bari sax here, clef substitution is fun until you hit accidentals haha
As an alto sax player learning how to transpose in a band with friends, transpossing made me a masochist, but it's super cool
French Horns: YOU THINK THATS BORING?👹
Trombones always slowing us down in band when they literally have a had note and two quarter notes
The saxophone will always be king 🎷
Wait wait wait. So in an alto part, an E would be concert G in bass clef? Because I play trombone and love the sax
As a bassoonist I can’t tell you how much I love doing this. We do get some pretty cool parts though don’t get me wrong
As a tuba, none of y’all have a right to complain
As a French horn player, here’s an answer to the last question. “YOU CAN’T PLAY JACK SQUAT!”
Unless you can transpose as good as the band director can 😂
Love being the only instrument in F lol
There is the cor englais
@@Ruairidh-cw1hg the day I see one of those in a band is the day I will stand corrected
Being a Brit I don’t really know how American bands work but I’m an oboist and played the cor in the school orchestra
@@Ruairidh-cw1hg I've never heard of it until today lol
Heyy french horn
My mom was a band teacher for 11 years and I really hope she’s started watching these videos I’ve been sending her because OH BOY have I heard the stories!!! 😂😂
If its the one by micheal brown, yes the trombone part is boring. All quarter notes 😅
as a bari sax that had to play trombone/tuba music all through middle school because no one ever wrote a bari sax part my band director didn’t want me to play the alto part, i can confirm this is very true
Bro the song in her hand was don’t stop believing by Journey 💀
I am just waiting for the solos 😭
When I play Bari sax (once in a blue moon but I love it) I just use euphonium parts
Always knew about that!! My teacher made sure to tell me this d first day 😂
As an alto sax player I play the French horn and trombone parts too
Wait that’s so cool! I actually didn’t know that
My middle school band director made me play trombone 4 part on bari sax for jazz ensemble
I play alto sax and my friend plays trombone. Whenever we play happy birthday we always play each other's parts just switch the clef and keep the key signature because it's exactly the same other than those two things
For the musical last year we didn’t have a bassoon but we had a bari sax who had almost no parts so he played the bassoon parts which all he had to know was transpose the key signature since his notes in treble clef were equivalent to bass clef
this is how i "learned" to play tuba! all i had to do was learn the fingering for each note, and i never bothered to learn how to actually read bass clef lol
Thats the exact reason I picked trombone lmao
French horn- my parts boring too!
Director- oh you poor unfortunate soul…
Back many years ago I figured out transposing bass clef to Eb real fast when I would forget my music and just read off of the kid playing bass clef next to me when I first started playing baritone sax when I was around 12, I'm 47 now lol
Ha! My band director would just say, "Too bad! More Death and Destruction on the next song, you hope!"
I used to play French horn and a lot of the time there weren't French horn parts printed so I had to transpose. Good thing half the time French horn sounds right regardless 😂
As a choir kid, I will never get to feel the joy of switching parts when mine is boring 🥲