Well they shouldn't. An impact driver doesn't react the torque it applies to a nut to the person that's holding it, it reacts it to a moving mass inside it. In fact you can hold it fairly loosely and it can do up a nut very very tight. Think of a wee guy with a hammer whacking the nut round.
This video was exactly what i was looking for. I was led here out of curiosity after watching the fastest F1 pit stops. I was so impressed that they were getting all the lugs off and back on while changing the tires in under 2 seconds that i thought it was too goo to be true. Well it was, but i'm still quite impressed to say the least and i have to say the simplicity in the design is pretty cool.
I have an old friend who was a lemans mechanic in the 80's. he said they had really long torque wrenches. He had a colleague over there, he was a small italian man; my friend described to me the image of a small italian man trying to use this massive torque wrench that was possibly slightly longer than he was tall.
I love how they try to make it sound dramatic. "This has the torque of a Porsche Turbo, they can break your wrist". It's an impact gun, unless the thing fails then no it won't. Any tool that is required to produce a lot of torque and fails can break your wrist.
I do love the metric system and wish that one day we can at least have that in common as people of the world, no more stupid inches, pounds and gallons. It will be a long time before it can be accepted. Drugs are sold in metric increments in the states, so at least its growing.
Yet another reason to bring back refuelling. As well as bringing back natural tactical pitstops (as opposed to artificially mandated stops by forcing cars to use shit tyres that are designed to fail) it also makes pitstops safer by taking the time pressure off the wheel changing crews.
check 1:45. when the nut is tightened, two small pins pop out which prevent the nut from falling off. but if the wheel is not tightened correctly in the first place, these two pins might not pop out, and thats why we see lose tires some times.
@@jsquared1013 I know that on ordinary impact wrenches but these ones I'm talking about are non reversible. One for tightening. One for loosening. Although I'll add I haven't watch a pit stop for years so theyve probably changed
@@geoffstewart6580 being honest I haven't watched F1 for years but I know the guns used to be handed. I read a little about the current guns and they even have sensors to send data on how much the wheel was torqued. Mad stuff.
Graham Francis Beveridge was a trackside marshal, who died at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix after he was struck by the flying wheel of Jacques Villeneuve's BAR, which flew through the safety fence.
I see why they "sometimes fail." Old Volkswagens have a hub nut with an Allen bolt to tighten it, and one side of the car has left-hand thread so the rotation of the wheel keeps the nut tight. But unlike these F1 cars, the left-hand threaded nut was on the left side of the car. This multi-million-pound F1 car has it on the right side - where the rotation of the wheel works to LOOSEN the nut.
jmowreader do you really think you are smarter than the hundreds of engineers, mechanics and technicians who work on these cars? I'm sure they know what side to put the threads on. Where did you come to understand that they had it wrong? Also they basically never fail now that pit crews have had a few years to get used to changing the wheels so quickly. The 2010 season only had a few teething problems.
I have a question, i sometimes see the wheel nut attached to the wheel rims, and sometimes it's seperate, so during a pitstop, when the tightening guy, enscrew the nut, does it gets stuck to the gun and then re-place it again on the rim if the nut is a separate entity from the wheel rim?
megamanexe4 I saw that race back then. If you look at the rim you see that it was exactly where it is supposed to be. If you hear the radio transmission he wanted to say that he doesn't think the tyres are going to last but right when he was saying that the tyre went down.
+FluppiLP no you are wrong, a rock got between the brake shroud and the wheel rim and machined it(cut it) down until all pressure was lost in the tire.
You wanna get technical? "In American English, spelt primarily refers to the hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe, and the verb spell makes spelled in the past tense and as a past participle. In all other main varieties of English, spelt and spelled both work as the past tense and past participle of spell, at least where spell means to form words letter by letter or (with out) to make clear. Outside the U.S., the two forms are interchangeable in these uses, and both are common." -Grammarist
think of it like a drill you can use a drill on full power and it wont hurt you but if the drill locks it will twist your wrist around its sort of like that on a wheel gun it puts a lot of torque on the weel nut but not on the person using it so it wont break your wrist!
....and now we're in the era of the 'blown' wheel nut... air is channeled through the nut and introduced into the turbulent wash at *very* high speed to help smooth things out... insane no?
The torque guns is using gas pressure-I say gas, because they also used helium before. F1 torque gun is using leverage- about everything does. if you have 6 bar of pressure going to the airgun that again can spin pistons or turbines-depending if you want speed or torgue. The pressure uses leverage because of the m2. if the piston inside or the blade is 10m2-that means its a foorce of 6x10=60kg pressure. so its a leverage. bigger the surface stronger it will be and/or higher pressure..
He knows a hell of a lot more about cars than you do sonny jim ! i think if you looked it up though his day job is a vet ! and he builds and researches cars and automotive vehicles for a hobby!!!
So, why not put a mechanism on the nut that prevents it from coming undone while driving (something better than friction) and that gets disabled when the gun is engaged?
not enterily tho, depends on how long the wrench is. If its 1 meter then 10kgs of force becomes 100kg on the bolt. 100kg =1000kg.=1000N Thats the same principal these guns use trough gearing of the air pressure inside the gun. So If I use a force of 100kg on 1 meter torque wrench then the bolt gets tighten by 1000NM. which is over twice the the force of the F1 power torque gun. So Ikelleners is right about F1 torq gun "what an exejuration again." because it really is.
I second that no matter how strong a man thinks he is, anyone with more leverage can do much more, with enough leverage you can just about move anything.
In my opinion it is safer to have accident at pit stop with fire, everyone is wearing fire proof gear and extinguishers are nearby. But if wheel gets loose when you drive corner at 200 KM/H... Nothing can be done. You can tolerate fire much more than impact, just ask Niki Lauda and Ayrton Senna - if latter would be alive from his impact. Bring back proper pit stop strategies by reallowing refueling!
Ayrton Senna didn't die from impact with the wall. It was a suspension part that hit his head that caused his injuries. In the senna movie, it said Senna didn't have a single bruise or broken bones from the impact itself
+Tony Ng Well, something came loose and did impact his head (though arguably that's not what OP meant). The issue I have with his logic is that allowing refueling won't prevent something like that.
+DrHokeyPokey Nothing 'came loose' and impacted his head - the impact of the car with the wall broke the suspension, this was forced back with the wheel attached and it penetrated his visor
650nm is less than 500ft lbs, a ingersoll rand 1/2 impact claims 1100ft lbs to be its toque. I am going to assume the guns the pit crews use(dino paoli) is going to be more capable. Spent five minutes looking it up, I was right. DP3000 impact gun put out 2800nm.
opposite threads than wheel rotation. it is impossible to come off without the use of tools. right side wheel would use left hand threads and left side would use right thread
Oh yeah, I realize that. I just that it is amazing that so much through goes into it, much one that one would ever realize, unless actually working on a project like this.
???? lots of road cars had left and right hand lug nuts a very long time ago and for the same reasons. With a single spindle nut it's pretty much a requirement and has been since the single nut system was invented for racing. Logical would be the word I'd use not insane.
I've always been curious about these impacts- I believe you can get torque limited impact guns. Why doesn't F-1 use them so they always have the right torque? Just a thought.
They do and it also counts the number of rotations to get there. If a nut jams for any reason, something stuck in the thread, damage or any other reason then the required torque can be reached before the clamping force is sufficient. By knowing how many rotations it has taken to reach the torque then they can be sure that the wheel is actually clamped in place. They use a similar system to automatic tooling in engine plants.
@Oh I don't know I just watched a video that says the nuts get torqued to like 500 ft lbs. I haven't seen any sources saying over 300 ft lbs. Either way, insane. I'm honestly not understanding how a human could hold on to a torque gun putting 300 ft lbs.
Guess the RUclips algorithm and Bottas are best friends now
Agreed
Lol bottas
*N U T*
should i laugh or cry
Lol😆
poor Bottas, even the youtube algorithm tossing it back in his face
Imagine Bottas opening RUclips to relax and look at some duck videos and suddenly this video is on his frontpage because of algorithm.
Yeet
Bahahaha!
@@DamienAlexander There are... duck videos? ... Bye!
@@DamienAlexander then suddenly a duck yelling *"SHUBAAAAA!"* pop up
Watching this after Bottas' wheel nut wouldn't come off in Monaco 🤦♂️
Suddenly, it pop-ups in my recommendations too.
Poor Bottas.
Apparently they improved so much that wheels no longer want to fall off
0:58 "These things can literally break your wrist"
*Breaks wrist*
hahahaha imagine
Brilliant
Funny how they always use the most uninformed people to talk about mechanics haha
@tom connors Destruction 100
It looked so close! Haha
back in 2010, wheels came off all the time. Now in 2021, the wheel nuts are so good that it takes over 30 hours to remove one wheel
RUclips algorithm has summoned all of us here because of Valtteri it’s wheelnut.
"They can literally break your wrist". *Proceeds to grab on and breaks wrist
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Well they shouldn't. An impact driver doesn't react the torque it applies to a nut to the person that's holding it, it reacts it to a moving mass inside it. In fact you can hold it fairly loosely and it can do up a nut very very tight. Think of a wee guy with a hammer whacking the nut round.
Jack Lavender usually you gotta pay extra for that 😉
lol thats what i tought when he pressed the trigger.
Definition of stupid: Knowing the results of something is bad and proceeding to do it anyway.
multi-million pound formula 1 car? That is one heavy car.
the currency
Wyhatt Morhash Thanks.
Derek Anderson were you joking or not, I couldn't tell ?
Wyhatt Morhash Yes sir. I was indeed joking.
+Derek Anderson hard to tell over the Internet
Of course they fall of. They're nuts.
+DaveMcIroy WHY
i get it that was bad
😂
It's amazing how light and stiff and f1 car chassis is. Loses a wheel and the control arm doesn't even touch the ground
2021 Monaco, this is my feed
Why has this come up in my recommendations just after this Monaco Grand Prix...
This video was exactly what i was looking for. I was led here out of curiosity after watching the fastest F1 pit stops. I was so impressed that they were getting all the lugs off and back on while changing the tires in under 2 seconds that i thought it was too goo to be true. Well it was, but i'm still quite impressed to say the least and i have to say the simplicity in the design is pretty cool.
I saw BBC in the title and thought they were looking for me
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I have an old friend who was a lemans mechanic in the 80's. he said they had really long torque wrenches. He had a colleague over there, he was a small italian man; my friend described to me the image of a small italian man trying to use this massive torque wrench that was possibly slightly longer than he was tall.
1:33 "Should be impossible for the wheel nut to fall off" - I think Bottas will agree on that one
*Raikkonen:* "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing"
*wheel nut:* "ok"
OH NUTS!! There goes my wheel!
This video is nuts.
No.
@@avengedfate9471 yes
Punny joke
@@avengedfate9471 BRO ENJOY A JOKE
I love how they try to make it sound dramatic. "This has the torque of a Porsche Turbo, they can break your wrist". It's an impact gun, unless the thing fails then no it won't. Any tool that is required to produce a lot of torque and fails can break your wrist.
It’s nice to see a tv presenter not scared to get his hands dirty. Even in a white shirt
Ironic how this pops up in my recommendations after the Monaco GP
youtube algo recommends me after botas nut freeze
You picked a bad time to leave me, loose wheel.
Well I see Darrel Waltrip has entered the building!
uh-oh, you picked a fine time to lose me loose wheel...
4 hundred chilled wheels and a nut in the field
Well now I'm not able to hear this song the same again without bursting into laughter
“These things can literally break your wrist”
*proceeds to almost break wrist* 🤦🏻
Ah yes, the youtube algorithm reunites us after the Bottas pitstop Monaco 2021
Who watching this after Bottas wheel wouldn’t come off?
Who else wanted to see the tire bounce all the way until it stopped at the end?
I do love the metric system and wish that one day we can at least have that in common as people of the world, no more stupid inches, pounds and gallons. It will be a long time before it can be accepted. Drugs are sold in metric increments in the states, so at least its growing.
Hilarius
White Lies - To Lose My Life song in the background
I see you are a person of culture as well
Yet another reason to bring back refuelling. As well as bringing back natural tactical pitstops (as opposed to artificially mandated stops by forcing cars to use shit tyres that are designed to fail) it also makes pitstops safer by taking the time pressure off the wheel changing crews.
anyone here after the issue with Bottas in Monaco 2021 and the wheel nut?
Thanks! I missed that bit.
check 1:45. when the nut is tightened, two small pins pop out which prevent the nut from falling off.
but if the wheel is not tightened correctly in the first place, these two pins might not pop out, and thats why we see lose tires some times.
Valtteri :
"I fear nothing, but this one (wheel nut), i'm scared"
Thanks mate!
Those Paoli impact wrenches are about £8k each, and they use a different one for tightening and loosening
It's the same gun for tighten/loosen, there is a switch on it to change the direction.
@@jsquared1013 I know that on ordinary impact wrenches but these ones I'm talking about are non reversible. One for tightening. One for loosening. Although I'll add I haven't watch a pit stop for years so theyve probably changed
@@TheBlaert Watch pit stops closely, they use the same wrench.
@@geoffstewart6580 being honest I haven't watched F1 for years but I know the guns used to be handed. I read a little about the current guns and they even have sensors to send data on how much the wheel was torqued. Mad stuff.
This aged well.
not
wow youtube after 12 years u recommend me this
I love the sound of these wheel nut guns.
Actually they're not "guns" but pneumatic impact wrenches. Not rocket surgery, you know.
Yt algorithm bought me here after bottas Monaco messup 🤣
Graham Francis Beveridge was a trackside marshal, who died at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix after he was struck by the flying wheel of Jacques Villeneuve's BAR, which flew through the safety fence.
"Martin Brundle explains everything about the wheel."
Everything about the wheel in 1:58... faster then a pit-stop.
Anyone here, after what happened to Bottas during Monaco 2021 !?
Lol they're playing "To Lose My Life" by the White Lies. Never thought that song (or the band) got any recognition like that
Well that was just nuts.
I see why they "sometimes fail." Old Volkswagens have a hub nut with an Allen bolt to tighten it, and one side of the car has left-hand thread so the rotation of the wheel keeps the nut tight. But unlike these F1 cars, the left-hand threaded nut was on the left side of the car. This multi-million-pound F1 car has it on the right side - where the rotation of the wheel works to LOOSEN the nut.
jmowreader do you really think you are smarter than the hundreds of engineers, mechanics and technicians who work on these cars? I'm sure they know what side to put the threads on. Where did you come to understand that they had it wrong? Also they basically never fail now that pit crews have had a few years to get used to changing the wheels so quickly. The 2010 season only had a few teething problems.
That’s nuts
I have a question, i sometimes see the wheel nut attached to the wheel rims, and sometimes it's seperate, so during a pitstop, when the tightening guy, enscrew the nut, does it gets stuck to the gun and then re-place it again on the rim if the nut is a separate entity from the wheel rim?
It's just natural that the algorithm recommended this after what happened to Bottas
1:52 don't tell me this was a nut issue
He had a puncture because the tires were worn out...
it actually looks more like a loose wheel than a puncture...
megamanexe4 I saw that race back then.
If you look at the rim you see that it was exactly where it is supposed to be. If you hear the radio transmission he wanted to say that he doesn't think the tyres are going to last but right when he was saying that the tyre went down.
***** oh i see. I guess you are right
+FluppiLP no you are wrong, a rock got between the brake shroud and the wheel rim and machined it(cut it) down until all pressure was lost in the tire.
Stephanie Rodriguez Even if you are right and it seems to me like you are, it's still not a wheel nut issue.
Let’s all be honest, we didn’t search for this, it was just recommended.
Except Bottas, he definitely searched for this.
You wanna get technical? "In American English, spelt primarily refers to the hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe, and the verb spell makes spelled in the past tense and as a past participle. In all other main varieties of English, spelt and spelled both work as the past tense and past participle of spell, at least where spell means to form words letter by letter or (with out) to make clear. Outside the U.S., the two forms are interchangeable in these uses, and both are common." -Grammarist
think of it like a drill you can use a drill on full power and it wont hurt you but if the drill locks it will twist your wrist around its sort of like that on a wheel gun it puts a lot of torque on the weel nut but not on the person using it so it wont break your wrist!
your correct. I only mentioned the torque of a porsche 911 turbo since 400nm if far less from its real numbers. Also there is no 911 gt3 turbo.
seeing this 7 years too late, but still educational
Lol why is this getting recommended to me right after Monaco 2021
Fr I'm getting a lot of this and Bottas in Monaco 😂
Really youtube recommendation has gone NUTS...
1st time a ten year old video recommendation made sense.
Top tip gentleman...always make sure your nuts aren't loose.
Can't believe they're gonna use these in NASCAR next year
....and now we're in the era of the 'blown' wheel nut... air is channeled through the nut and introduced into the turbulent wash at *very* high speed to help smooth things out... insane no?
and sometimes you cut to a clip of a tire coming off a wheel that is still attached securely to the hub =P
You're totally right, Ingersoll Rand has 1000Nm+ wrenches, that can fit in your pocket. What Porsce turbo has 1000Nm torque? :)
The torque guns is using gas pressure-I say gas, because they also used helium before. F1 torque gun is using leverage- about everything does.
if you have 6 bar of pressure going to the airgun that again can spin pistons or turbines-depending if you want speed or torgue.
The pressure uses leverage because of the m2. if the piston inside or the blade is 10m2-that means its a foorce of 6x10=60kg pressure. so its a leverage. bigger the surface stronger it will be and/or higher pressure..
Fascinating stuff ...... I guess
When he picks the wheel off the spindle, you can see how light it is.
Magnesium.
@ikelleners Do you know exactly how powerful a Porsche turbo is?
Just randomly searched for the wheel nut video, for no reason 😏
Definitely not because of Bottas and what happened in Monaco
of course, most of us got this in recommended because Monaco GP 2021 😂
RIP Bottas
Took me the whole video to realized the music track is from White Lies. Let’s grow old togetheeeeeer, and die at the same time 🎶
what a humor down below.
The extreme viberations they showed in that corner o_o think where cars would be today if it wasnt for F1 and Maniac Group B Mechanics o_o
I did not know that the BBC also had F1 Wheel nuts.
He knows a hell of a lot more about cars than you do sonny jim ! i think if you looked it up though his day job is a vet ! and he builds and researches cars and automotive vehicles for a hobby!!!
Valtteri Bottas has entered the chat.
That's really bouncy :) 1:55
So, why not put a mechanism on the nut that prevents it from coming undone while driving (something better than friction) and that gets disabled when the gun is engaged?
More entertainment here then an actual race!!!! LMAO.
Shut yo bitch ass
He said to lose my life or lose my love🔊
Everyone knows it's three ugga duggas with the impact gun. Duh.
AvE reference?
Super Mike Avrick nut is cross threaded? Give that puppy three ugga Duggas
Why RUclips has recommended me this after Valtteri’s wheel didn’t come out
not enterily tho, depends on how long the wrench is. If its 1 meter then 10kgs of force becomes 100kg on the bolt. 100kg =1000kg.=1000N
Thats the same principal these guns use trough gearing of the air pressure inside the gun.
So If I use a force of 100kg on 1 meter torque wrench then the bolt gets tighten by 1000NM. which is over twice the the force of the F1 power torque gun.
So Ikelleners is right about F1 torq gun "what an exejuration again." because it really is.
true, but physics kicks in too, the longer the handle the higher is the force.
I second that no matter how strong a man thinks he is, anyone with more leverage can do much more, with enough leverage you can just about move anything.
In my opinion it is safer to have accident at pit stop with fire, everyone is wearing fire proof gear and extinguishers are nearby. But if wheel gets loose when you drive corner at 200 KM/H... Nothing can be done. You can tolerate fire much more than impact, just ask Niki Lauda and Ayrton Senna - if latter would be alive from his impact.
Bring back proper pit stop strategies by reallowing refueling!
Refuelling wasn't stopped because of safety but because of costs of taking all the fuel rigs to the tracks.
Ayrton Senna didn't die from impact with the wall. It was a suspension part that hit his head that caused his injuries. In the senna movie, it said Senna didn't have a single bruise or broken bones from the impact itself
+Tony Ng Well, something came loose and did impact his head (though arguably that's not what OP meant). The issue I have with his logic is that allowing refueling won't prevent something like that.
+DrHokeyPokey Nothing 'came loose' and impacted his head - the impact of the car with the wall broke the suspension, this was forced back with the wheel attached and it penetrated his visor
Where's the rest of the talk? The part where they explain it is missing!
scream bro :D
650nm is less than 500ft lbs, a ingersoll rand 1/2 impact claims 1100ft lbs to be its toque. I am going to assume the guns the pit crews use(dino paoli) is going to be more capable.
Spent five minutes looking it up, I was right. DP3000 impact gun put out 2800nm.
This guy does my head in
The algorithm has a cruel sense of humor.
OH BOY
opposite threads than wheel rotation. it is impossible to come off without the use of tools. right side wheel would use left hand threads and left side would use right thread
That's insane that the thread direction is different on both sides.
It's done this so that the rotation of the wheels won't loosen the nut, but tighten it instead.
Oh yeah, I realize that. I just that it is amazing that so much through goes into it, much one that one would ever realize, unless actually working on a project like this.
Also very common on old trucks, Always funny when a newbie tries to take them off.
???? lots of road cars had left and right hand lug nuts a very long time ago and for the same reasons. With a single spindle nut it's pretty much a requirement and has been since the single nut system was invented for racing. Logical would be the word I'd use not insane.
@@turningpoint6643 right, makes sense for a single nut system but just stupidity on a multi nut setup
No wonder why this showed up after a decade.
Exejuration? Wow...just....wow....
I've always been curious about these impacts- I believe you can get torque limited impact guns. Why doesn't F-1 use them so they always have the right torque? Just a thought.
They do and it also counts the number of rotations to get there.
If a nut jams for any reason, something stuck in the thread, damage or any other reason then the required torque can be reached before the clamping force is sufficient. By knowing how many rotations it has taken to reach the torque then they can be sure that the wheel is actually clamped in place.
They use a similar system to automatic tooling in engine plants.
@Oh I don't know I just watched a video that says the nuts get torqued to like 500 ft lbs. I haven't seen any sources saying over 300 ft lbs. Either way, insane. I'm honestly not understanding how a human could hold on to a torque gun putting 300 ft lbs.
urlpls. As far as i can see, the DP2000S is used. And it costs 2500 GBP. And has no planetary gears.