Unless you are shooting green screen and don’t want any noise, shooting 1 stop over middle grey is much better. As you pan the camera and shoot other clips, you will find that your clips are difficult to match when you significantly overexpose each clip. One might be 3 stops over the next might be 1 then you have to match each one in post. if you do 1 stop, you have a lot more highlight range from one shot to the next. You basically have 8 stops to work with on LUMIX cameras. 4 above and 4 below. If you push everything to the 4 stops over middle grey, your tonality can also suffer. Noise isn’t a problem once you upload to any online platform and the footage is compressed. You can only see it if you zoom 400%.
Thank you for the video, Gexar (I know it has been over a year since you uploaded it). Another way to look at proper exposure is to not let anything IMPORTANT fall below 30 IRE. If you are ok with crushing the shadows / backs, then it is ok to expose below 30 IRE. But if you want to retain deatil and minimize noise, then keep it at 30 IRE or above. Of course, the first generation of the S cameras respond well to noise reduction - I have heared better than the S5 II / S5 IIX, but I don't own one, so can't say for sure. Apparently, the S5 II / IIX work really well when recording with BRAW. And of course, it is always important to remember that sometimes it is ok to clip the highlights.
Thanks for the comment. I also noticed that often on the S5, when the zebra is set to 100 percent and theoretically there should be no information in those areas, I come home and see that there actually is information there.
Hi, there is no big difference, I use 90%.It's just that there is a bug on Lumix S5 cameras. If you set zebra above 90 percent, it will not work with v-log. If you are using Lumix s5ii, then you should not have this problem.
same steps for all log profiles all manufacturers. expose to the right without clipping highlights unless they are obvious blowouts ie like lightbulbs, suns etc. S5 actually gives you so much room though so its pretty hard to mess it up. you don't need to go right up to 90IRE. do it all in post.
On my Canon C70 when I was exposing for Clog2 I had a zebra setting set so the shot would be properly exposed if the zebra's were still on the face for example. What setting would recommend for something like this method?
I don't know about Canon, but here's what people recommend for the log: Zebra Level Setting: Set the zebras to about 60-70% IRE for light to medium skin tones. This is a general rule of thumb when exposing skin, ensuring it is neither too underexposed nor too overexposed. Monitor Highlights: For overall exposure and preventing clipping, especially in highlights, you might want to set a second zebra pattern at 85-90% IRE. C-Log2 has good dynamic range, but you need to ensure the highlights aren't clipped by keeping important highlight details below 90%.
but when you dealing video do you need to follow the 180 degree rule or just cranking up the shutter speed when too much bright happening outdoor? I saw you adjusted the shutter..
Is it possible that something is wrong with your monitor or the colors are displayed differently in the video editor? My colors look the same, except with lower quality on RUclips due to compression. I'm using a regular H264 codec. There is also an article on RUclips about recommendations for videos, all the information is there.
@@GEXAR I shoot video 25 fps, 4k, H264 4:2:2. Davinci and monitor are set to Rec709. Also, the video export is within the norm of RUclips's recommendations. The reason may be the VP9 video processor used by RUclips. "VP9's main profile supports only 8-bit color depth at 4:2:0 chroma subsampling levels, but its profiles include support for deeper color and the full range of chroma subsampling modes."
I recommend using *90% zebra.* *90% Zebra* - has better quality and less noise in the shadows _(but need a light color correction after applying the LUT)._ *70-75% Zebra* - more noise in the shadows _(but after applying the LUT, you can use the material without correction)._
Hello, the link for the footage is not working, it redirect me to mediamarkt, could you hook me up with some V Log footage so that i can see what S5IIX can do?
Unless you are shooting green screen and don’t want any noise, shooting 1 stop over middle grey is much better. As you pan the camera and shoot other clips, you will find that your clips are difficult to match when you significantly overexpose each clip. One might be 3 stops over the next might be 1 then you have to match each one in post. if you do 1 stop, you have a lot more highlight range from one shot to the next. You basically have 8 stops to work with on LUMIX cameras. 4 above and 4 below. If you push everything to the 4 stops over middle grey, your tonality can also suffer. Noise isn’t a problem once you upload to any online platform and the footage is compressed. You can only see it if you zoom 400%.
Thank you Phil for sharing your experience.This information may be useful to other users.
You are right about online platforms!
@PhilHover can I write you a private message and explain to me how to properly set up v-log? Thank you very much
Thank you for the video, Gexar (I know it has been over a year since you uploaded it). Another way to look at proper exposure is to not let anything IMPORTANT fall below 30 IRE. If you are ok with crushing the shadows / backs, then it is ok to expose below 30 IRE. But if you want to retain deatil and minimize noise, then keep it at 30 IRE or above.
Of course, the first generation of the S cameras respond well to noise reduction - I have heared better than the S5 II / S5 IIX, but I don't own one, so can't say for sure. Apparently, the S5 II / IIX work really well when recording with BRAW.
And of course, it is always important to remember that sometimes it is ok to clip the highlights.
Thanks for the comment. I also noticed that often on the S5, when the zebra is set to 100 percent and theoretically there should be no information in those areas, I come home and see that there actually is information there.
@@GEXAR Huh! I did not try that yet so I will try to shoot at IRE 100 and see what I get. Thanks for the tip.
in the beginning you noted that you use 90% - but in the test shot you mentioned 95% was the best choice...so, which one do you use?
Hi, there is no big difference, I use 90%.It's just that there is a bug on Lumix S5 cameras. If you set zebra above 90 percent, it will not work with v-log. If you are using Lumix s5ii, then you should not have this problem.
Your content is fantastic! You deserve much, much more subscribers!!!
Thank you, I really appreciate such comments 😊
Another informative, and interesting video. As a S5mkii user trying out v-log this is really useful. Thank you 👍
I'm glad I could help!
same steps for all log profiles all manufacturers. expose to the right without clipping highlights unless they are obvious blowouts ie like lightbulbs, suns etc. S5 actually gives you so much room though so its pretty hard to mess it up. you don't need to go right up to 90IRE. do it all in post.
I agree, the video from these cameras is very flexible in post. There is no such thing on other cameras that I have tried.
On my Canon C70 when I was exposing for Clog2 I had a zebra setting set so the shot would be properly exposed if the zebra's were still on the face for example. What setting would recommend for something like this method?
I don't know about Canon, but here's what people recommend for the log:
Zebra Level Setting: Set the zebras to about 60-70% IRE for light to medium skin tones. This is a general rule of thumb when exposing skin, ensuring it is neither too underexposed nor too overexposed.
Monitor Highlights: For overall exposure and preventing clipping, especially in highlights, you might want to set a second zebra pattern at 85-90% IRE. C-Log2 has good dynamic range, but you need to ensure the highlights aren't clipped by keeping important highlight details below 90%.
but when you dealing video do you need to follow the 180 degree rule or just cranking up the shutter speed when too much bright happening outdoor? I saw you adjusted the shutter..
Ideally, you should use an ND filter, but in reality, not many people do this.
Hi thanks a lot for the video!
Have you idia what kind off export video settings to use for youtube upload ? My upload always have low contrast.
Is it possible that something is wrong with your monitor or the colors are displayed differently in the video editor? My colors look the same, except with lower quality on RUclips due to compression. I'm using a regular H264 codec. There is also an article on RUclips about recommendations for videos, all the information is there.
@@GEXAR I shoot video 25 fps, 4k, H264 4:2:2. Davinci and monitor are set to Rec709. Also, the video export is within the norm of RUclips's recommendations.
The reason may be the VP9 video processor used by RUclips.
"VP9's main profile supports only 8-bit color depth at 4:2:0 chroma subsampling levels, but its profiles include support for deeper color and the full range of chroma subsampling modes."
@@nikolaynikolov1119 As far as I know, there are no sites on the Internet that support 10 bit 422+ video, but perhaps this information is outdated.
Как он в стравнении с S-Log 3 от тетки
Мне больше нравится v-log, может быть, потому, что я к нему больше привык.
So Zebra 70-75 is the best?
I recommend using *90% zebra.*
*90% Zebra* - has better quality and less noise in the shadows _(but need a light color correction after applying the LUT)._
*70-75% Zebra* - more noise in the shadows _(but after applying the LUT, you can use the material without correction)._
@@GEXAR so, 80% is the best? 😆 haha, thank you so much for the tips
@@vukhanhhung3970 😂
Thanks for great tips 👍
You're welcome!
Hello, the link for the footage is not working, it redirect me to mediamarkt, could you hook me up with some V Log footage so that i can see what S5IIX can do?
Hello, apparently it was outdated, I updated it, now there should be no problems.
@@GEXAR Thank you, it works now!
THANK YOU !
You are welcome 😉
Great 🎉
Thanks!