@@PowerLvL9000 well we'll see.. it's not like the 4070 ti was flying off the shelf. Ill be shocked if people think I minor speed bump and 16 gigs makes it all worthwhile for $800+
@@Hectorscarclub13I mean before the feds banned the chip, the 4090 for 1200 is honestly underpriced for what it does and offers. $1200 for the 4090 was the best valued card of this generation between all 3 brands. 4090 is capable for so much more than just gaming at 8k and getting 100 fps at ultra settings. Its AI learning abilities is crazy for a consumer card.
Yup, it's why I bought a vega 56 late last year to upgrade from an r9 380 4gb. It was a very noticeable improvement but it only cost me 90 euro(got it from a trade in store). And I have a warranty from the store
At this point, Nvidia is trolling us. The used AD103 is cut down too much and doesn't even end up in the middle between 4070 Ti and 4080, let alone the upcoming faster 4080 Ti. At this list price, we should expect a good 4k card, not a 1440 card that can do 4k decently well. The whole new lineup is still $100-$150 too expensive.
Go buy AMD junk then... wonder why they aren't selling anywhere near as well even with good bought publicity and apparent value... me myself will be getting a 4080 super, if can't then just a standard 4080.
Hardware Unboxed said it pretty well: Nvidia has way more and better extra features like DLSS and Ray Reconstruction. So they can justify a higher price, and people still buy it. Don't forget that the last three years have had crazy inflation. The $800 12GB 3080 would cost $950 today. Here is your $100-$150 price increase.
They don't wanna provide much better value, because they want it to look really good Vs the 5000 series when it launches, so they have to hold back this gen.... It's all just marketing.
Good info here!! We need a time-laps or a montage of Paul running all the tests... so basically just a still photo of Paul sitting there looking stressed.
4070 ti super is making the 7900XT look like an amazing product. Nvidia keeps shoveling over priced stuff because all they care about now is the AI GPU Boom.
Purchase the 4070 ti super 16gb . Primary reasons : price to fps , software support (better utilization for cuda cores) and most importantly the size (only have 267 mm of lenth) . Upgrading from RTX 2080 to MSI ventus 2x (white). Cheaper options were 4070 super and amd rx7800xt . All other cards are 3 fan / to big so it worked out great for me !
The big problem I see with these cards is that are way overprized, because, let's be real, the 4070 ti is in reality a 4070 and the 4070 is a 4060, and paying $700 for a "real" 4070 super is way too much, also paying $550+ for a "real" 4060 is pure madness!
RTX4070 user here... not upgrading until at least 2030. I was really happy with my GTX1080 for many years, and for about 20 years I always got the FASTEST card I could. Not this time as I can't justify the high end anymore due to diminishing returns etc. My GTX1080 started to get a little long in the tooth for a few games like Spider-Man Remastered. Right now I'm playing modded SKYRIM and at worse my GPU usage is 50% (before on my GTX1080 I got a few stutters due to my texture mods, but not now). My Ryzen 3000 CPU means that getting a faster GPU is problematic due to CPU bottlenecking (varies by game but on average a problem). So rather than UPDATE this system I plan to ONLY buy new games that run well on it. I only have so much time, and frankly I seem to mainly play Skyrim, Baldur's Gate 3 and a few other games that are so fun and run GREAT on my mid-range system I just have no incentive to buy another game for a long time anyway. A new monitor? Sure. A new gaming PC? Meh... assuming The Elder Scrolls 6 is good, let's see... release in 2028? Then two years to iron out the major bugs? 2030!
I've got my launch day 1080ti and 2080ti in my pc's and quit chasing the flagship launches after the 2080ti. I may splurge on a 4080 super depending on the reviews/price so i can retire my 1080ti to the shelf.
Get a Ryzen 5000 PU it's such a jump up - went from 3700X to 5700X (couldn't afford 5800X3D) and loving the extra lifespan it has given me for my system
I'm certain your 4070 will not last nearly as long as your 1080ti did. That was an exceptional card. It leaped over its previous generation when raster was king. I predict the next gen middle class will make the 4070 not hold up well for the same, or even less money. How do I make this prediction? History. The 1080 followed a rather weak 980. Look at the 2080 performance and its price jump. It led to a 3080 with a comparatively bigger performance jump for less money. Supply is the thing that ruined that gen for us. Now, the 4080 was a desaster. The 5080 will be a bigger jump for less/same money putting pressure on lower cards as the 30 gen did. You will probably buy a new card in 2027, if you are very patient but many people in your position will already buy next year. I think. Or, maybe I'm completely off, but I doubt it. Greetings.
Great info, but as someone who spend $850 on an AIB 6800xt that is still pumping out frames, this generation is a pass for me. People on 10 or 20 series cards looking for more frames have options, but when the price creep has moved the "midrange" over $500, I have friends see it as not feasible and would rather get a console to just play games...
While the 4070ti Super may have not been the 16GB powerhouse some had expected it is the sweet spot. It's a very capable 1440/4K GPU. I can't think of too many games where a 4090 needs DLSS or maybe even a 4080 too. So the 4070ti Super can use/need that feature to make 4K a very plausible option. In other words, DLSS augments the 4070Ti Super well where you don't need to spend 4 digits for a 4K GPU.
I found out that the ASUS TUF RTX 4070TI Super variant is $850. It’s seems like it’s decent. However the 7900XT will get a price cut down to $650. This means for $200 less I can get 20GB VRAM on a 320 bit memory bus, better raterzation performance, and better value. The drivers form AMD have improved a lot. They rarely bug out and when they do it’s very easy to fix it by simply restarting the service and or using a stable driver. Also VR on AMD has been getting good as well. I tried the Quest 2 with link cable and it worked flawlessly. Also the index also works well with it as well. So Unless I see the RTX 4070ti super get a $150 price cut down to $700 I’m sticking with AMD.
For what I play I don't see the value in dlss. And as cool aa ray tracing is (excessive bloom aside), Its not in enough games (again at least that I play, and want to buy) to matter.
i choose the ti super any day. the raster performance is the same. The games tested are always either amd or nvidia biased, like in horizon zero dawn where the ti super beat the xt or then in call of duty where the xt beats the ti super. the average is just out of these games, so if there are more amd biased games included its gonna be a win for amd and if there are more nvidia biased games included nvidia will win. timespy doesnt really say the exact gaming performance, and having a 700 points difference can easely be achieved with an oc.
Finally a decently priced 16gb card for stable diffusion (for anything AI related, nvidia is still king). I agree that all these (nvidia AND AMD) cards are still a tad too expensive, but everyone (not I) who bought a video card during covid/crypto boom signalled to the market they were willing to pay outrageous prices, so here we are. And an 8gb card can do 1080p gaming just fine.
Let's be honest, how many actually buy an Nvidia card for pure rasterization? It's mostly for RT and maybe DLSS + Frame Gen (DLSS3). Otherwise, if you don't care about any of that, the AMD cards are way better value. In that note, I find a lot of these pure rasterization comparisons are not very helpful, especially for someone that wants to utilize the cards to it's full potential with all the software support. I'm hoping there's a full review with everything turned on.
I’m running a 7800xt and honestly it does more than enough for me. I’m playing at mostly 1080p and can easily max out settings in everything and games look absolutely gorgeous. Games are super smooth and just feel right. Playing cyberpunk on max settings and capped at 144 is an entirely surreal experience. Even at 4k, the 7800xt still handles itself well. I considered a 4070 variant but I’m not really into raytracing and prefer raw performance over it.
I did the same ! I'm really happy with my 7800XT paired with a 5800x3d on competitive title like CS2 and OW2 I have 500+ fps on average and triple A games at max settings still getting more than 144
I can’t go back to 1080p. Guess I’ll finally have to break down and buy a new RTX 4070 ti Super (Nvidia really needs t re-evaluate their naming scheme).
Thanks for the benchmarks! As a day 1 4070ti buyer, I was a bit annoyed as the 12GB became an issue a bit later. Then even more annoyed when the ti Super was announced. I haven't had any issues at 1440p, and thankfully the ti Super isn't such a huge jump that I'm completely regretful about my purchase. Although I think this will have me rethink ever buying Day 1 again unless I'm buying a top of the stack card.
i got mine on Christmas day imma return it then get this "free" upgrade XD i honestly think there is driver issues with the day one drivers it seems like the 4070 ti beats in some places but in the end it might be like 4% worse then a 4080
When I bought my mots recent GPU I was down to the 4070Ti or 7900XT. That was about 6-7 months ago. I ended up getting a 7900XT for $770 after tax/shipping back then on a sale. Now, with the recent Nvidia release of the Super versions, I'm even more happy about my choice. I'd be PISSED if I spent the few extra dollars back then on a 4070Ti, only to have them release a Super version which should have been their previous counterparts to begin with. Nvidia trolling it's customers.
I was itching to upgrade my 3080 ti, and was really hoping that the 4070 ti super would be closer to the 4080 in performance...but as it stands now, I'm going to skip the 40xx generation. I'm really hoping that Nvidia bring back some value in the future 5000 series, but I'm not holding much hope
I don't like DLSS so to me plus the fairly substantial downsides in raw performance it isn't. Besides I do a fair bit of productivity tasks. BUT, if I find one for less than a 7900xt I might just grab it.
@@timotmon 20gb more performance, cheaper, FS3 will work IN EVERY GAME (and because of that even in RT the amd card will perform better), so no the 7900 xt is the way to go.
@@nicane-9966 Nvidia has better memory compression so that extra 4GB is not making the slightest difference for anybody. FS3.. okay point taken that it works in all games but it's still inferior compared to DLSS. Unless that 7900XT dips below $700 the value is barely negligible at this point. I would love to buy one too.. but it needs to drop even more.
@@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature What productivity tasks do you do? I always have to have Nvidia in my work machine for Octane rendering... I wish AMD could catch up here. My gaming rig is all AMD though.
This is a great advertisement for the 7900 XT. If this is what we can expect from the '4070 ti super', then the '4080 super' will be even more of a letdown if rumours are to be believed... It's truly a depressing time to be a PC hardware (semi-)enthusiast...
What are you talking about? The 4080 Super is going to be $1,000. That's $200 less than the 4080, and it has better performance. Even if the performance is identical, it doesn't matter because you have a $200 lower MSRP.
@@rustler08 The 4080 is ~2.9x the graphical performance of the 1080 (which I have now). The 4080 also has 178% the TDP of the 1080. Its price - adjusted for inflation - is also 178% that of the 1080. In 8 years, my performance per buck and Watt would've roughly tripled if I assume the 4080 super would be a factor 3.0 better. Plus it gets raytracing. I'm honestly not impressed by these numbers.
Wait until February AMD is supposedly announcing more X3D chips I wanna say some are AM4 and some are AM5/LGA. Otherwise the R7 7800x3d seemed to be best bang for buck if your getting a new AMD setup.
@@hauru4564 I'm waiting for the next Gen at least to see. I don't play the newest of the new titles. Most recent game I play is Sons of The Forest 1440p ultra settings and get 60+FPS still. So it's not that bad for me just yet.
would be nice compare them in 1080 with a 2080 2070 or 3070 or 1080 GTX to see the difference , comparing a generation with its generation competitors i dunno how useful it is .
If I’m going into the 700+ price category, I’m probably going with a 7900xt. I don’t give 2 shits about Ray tracing, and at 1440p you wouldn’t even need DLSS.
I bought a new system with a 7900 XTX last week. The 7900 XTX had a price tag of €1.000 (cheapest 4080 was around 1.420 EUR). Looking at the price of this 4070 ti Super ($800), it will be 20% more expensive here, so that would mean a price tag of around €960 EUR. So basically 40 EUR cheaper than a 7900 XTX. 40 EUR less for a card that's 25% - 30% slower than the 7900 XTX in rasterization... Yeah no... sorry... this is ridiculous...
What's ridiculous is trying to justify the purchase of a graphics cards based on rasterization. Existing AMD will age badly because games are now being developed with only ray tracing modes.
@@nekro9119 Actual ray tracing is only viable on the 4080 and 4090. You really think that developers will waste their time with only implementing ray tracing modes in their games. If they do it's bye bye to their sales on PC because not everyone will have 1000+ dollar card. And consoles won't be able to run it properly for a long time either. 1. Because realistically they're not going to be able to put anything in the next console generation that is actually decent in terms of ray tracing performance and 2. It's AMD that makes the GPUs in the consoles. Who in their right mind would want to suffer such a big penalty to their framerate to play with ray tracing on? People on high refresh monitors? No. People with a mid-range or lower graphics card? No. People that actually still want some performance at high native resolutions? No. You want to play with ultra textures at a high resolution? Good luck with these 12gb and 16gb cards in 2 - 4 years. Those will be outdated way more quickly than rasterization will.
@@nekro9119 90% of games are made with console sales first in mind, and consoles can't handle it, it will be at least 2 next console generations so at least 6 years imho until games will be really developed from scratch with ray traycing only in mind. When that will come I assume you will buy for around 400-500$ gpu performing similar in performance to rtx 4090/rx 7900xtx
People crying aboht the cost... this isnt for you. Ps5 is great value. Buy it and move on. PC building has always been a way to burn money... i remember my father building a *gaming rig* back in 2005... it was a ton back then. Inflation is a bitch but this "hobby" has ALWAYS been deep pocket bull shit.
I ran a 3070 for 2.5 years, just bought a straight 4070Super... and it's better by 55% fps over the old card, running the same game parameters. Good enough for next 2.5 years, It ain't the fastest, but then I'm not the best gamer LOL
Every 40 series card below the 4080 feel like they are a tier lower in disguise. The 4070 Ti Super should have been the base 4070 Ti and the 4070 Ti the base 4070, Base 4070 the 4060 so on and so forth. The 4060 is a 4050 in disguise. Really would have thought this card would have been closer to the base 4080 a little bit, especially since its using AD103 instead of AD104. 4050: 249 4060: 299 4060 Ti: 349 4070: 429 4070 Ti: 499 Would have a sold a boat load of those cards at those prices
@@originalscreenname44 Whats even more saddening is that its successor, with 16gb of vram and 256 bit bus is barely a 5% performance increase, on AD103 instead of AD104 no less.. ouch.
I feel like doing the price per frame on the 4080 at the new $1000 msrp would have be useful for folks deciding between 4070ti Super and the 4080 Super as that card will only be a little better and the 4080 is effectively gone.
I currently own a 3070ti…..none of these cards at their performance level, especially at the 600-700$ price point seem worth upgrading to. Seems like waiting for the 50 series is the only option. Was really disappointed that 4070 Super didn’t have 16GB ;/
i appreciate the increase in vram and bandwidth, but i still wouldn’t buy this if i had that much money for a gpu (which i don’t), its too expensive for a 70s card
They should of made this card more closer to the 4080 and named it the Ultra, then make the 4080 Super atleast 20% faster than the 4080, then you would have 4070, 4070 Ultra, 4080 Super, then you would have a nice speed advantage between all of em, instead we got alot cards with little gain
I really do not like the "cost per frame" comparison for a bunch of reasons such as the quality of the frame. at a certain point, additional frames produce no discernable effect, and leaving out other advantages (you mainly get with Nvidia) such as AI, upscaling, ray/path tracing, and productivity/creative software. Sure, if you are 30+ years old and living with your parents subsisting on your sole income of a paper route the pennies might be important and will not be canceled out by efficiency since daddy pays the electric bill. But if techtubers insist on including it at least use the MSRP of the cards since sales come and go and something a competitor might do to mute a launch probably is not going to stick around.
I really wish you would include some older GPUs in benchmarks. I doubt many people are upgrading from a 4070 to 4070 Super. I am more interested in how these stand next to 30 series.
bigger gains at 4k, which i guess is the bigger memory bus coming into play...would of lliked to see a couple more stats with raytracing and maybe some dlss/fsr at high quality etc to see what you can expect to see, as this is bordering use with 4k screen being an expensive card...Doom is great as an old test, but pretty much all cards can get high fps..I'd prefer a few more newer games now like Starfield etc...maybe Avatar/Pandora that push the newer cards as show maybe a bit of of their longevity. Good work though..love your content, including your house refurb etc...more please
All this showed me was that the 700 I paid for my 7900 xt during Black Friday was the right choice for me. I'm no a RT guy and feel like for the most part, RT isn't worth the performance loss even on something like my son's 4080. Feels like the Super version of these cards is too little, too late, too much.
@@breedlofam Exactly this. I was never sold on RT or DLSS coming from a 20 series card. I think I turned raytracing on exactly one time and never again and just ignored the whole thing as it got better. I don't need the lighting to look more realistic. That doesn't improve the gameplay for me. What does is raw framerate that doesn't add input latency. That's why when I found a 7900 XT for $710 open box, I jumped on it and it's been a great part of my new build.
@@originalscreenname44 the problem is that youre never gonna notice the differenc ein raster performance from a 7900xt to a 4070 ti super, but youre gonna notice the difference in rt performance from the xt to the ti super.
4080 Super is expected to be priced at $1,400. No shot that it will negatively impact the 4070ti Super's desirability. If anything it will increase it.
For anyone deciding between a RTX 4070 , 4070super, 4070ti, or 4070ti super Do yourself a favor and buy either a 4070 or 4070super price range between those two are about ($580 -$650) only if you want the extra clock speed.. Don’t buy the 4070ti it’s still too over priced at about $760 $800 and only 9% faster than 4070super If you don’t care for spending $850 Then the 4070ti super will offer a bit more performance and 4gb more vram.. But honestly the performance isn’t that noticeable.. unless you play on more demanding games then the extra 4gb vram will help but other wise just get the 4070 super you’ll save $200 and it will be similar performance.. These are just marketing schemes to get you to spend more.. I bought a 4070ti super and a 4070 ti super and compared them both on a msi Gaming x Slim and the performance was so ridiculously similar I returned the 4070ti super got my money back and kept the 4070 super… hope this helps 👍🏻
Do you think that game day drivers/support is why the mere 5% increase in FPS and that once driver/game engine kinks get worked out this performance will go up by another 10% on average closer to 4080 performances??
I just got a 4070ti super. I game at 1440p too. Having 4 extra gigs of vram made me get it. It's pretty pricey but if you can afford it I'd say go with the ti super. If you dont mind toning down the graphics a little you can go with the 4070 super will be fine
It's better binned, so I'd lean yes. Assuming you keep the card for 4 years (asus's warranty -- with registration), $50 doesn't mean much. And if you don't keep it, you can sell it used for more. Unless you really need that $50 for something else, like nice cut of steak.
RT off is not max settings FYI. I wouldn't spend hundreds or even thousands on a graphics card just to not be able to play next-gen games at max settings lol. Even consoles have "lite" RT nowadays.
Before you buy anything think about this. The 4070 Ti Super is most probably use AD103 chips which failed at being 4080s. Meanwhile the 4080 Super is going to use the absolute best maxed out AD103 chips.
Not as big of a jump as a 4070 Super was to be expected. Think this should be priced closer to 699-750, in my opinion for maximum value.
The days of getting aN RTX XX70 ti to for $700 are over.
When has nvidia been known to price their cards for value?
@@PowerLvL9000 well we'll see.. it's not like the 4070 ti was flying off the shelf. Ill be shocked if people think I minor speed bump and 16 gigs makes it all worthwhile for $800+
@@Hectorscarclub13I mean before the feds banned the chip, the 4090 for 1200 is honestly underpriced for what it does and offers. $1200 for the 4090 was the best valued card of this generation between all 3 brands. 4090 is capable for so much more than just gaming at 8k and getting 100 fps at ultra settings. Its AI learning abilities is crazy for a consumer card.
@@DoniMemu 4090 was never $1200 it was $1600. the original 4080 was $1200
the price of GPUs is still too damn high
Yup, it's why I bought a vega 56 late last year to upgrade from an r9 380 4gb. It was a very noticeable improvement but it only cost me 90 euro(got it from a trade in store). And I have a warranty from the store
I thought these cards were cheap lol
cheap relative to scalping miner insanity sure...@@Gizmo_-
@@Gizmo_-Defo not wtf
A mi me parece que el precio está bien, es un precio justo para lo que recibimos y la fecha en que estamos.
Just the review I needed. Mellow, good music, and easy to read charts. Thank you!
" Very disappointing results for a very disappointing price "
Paul’s version of “My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.”
Time stamps prove you are the winner of the reviews today. Great job Paul. 😂
“Important information is sometimes listed here too”. Love it
I like the "no talking" benchmark slides! Nice idea.
At this point, Nvidia is trolling us.
The used AD103 is cut down too much and doesn't even end up in the middle between 4070 Ti and 4080, let alone the upcoming faster 4080 Ti.
At this list price, we should expect a good 4k card, not a 1440 card that can do 4k decently well.
The whole new lineup is still $100-$150 too expensive.
Go buy AMD junk then... wonder why they aren't selling anywhere near as well even with good bought publicity and apparent value... me myself will be getting a 4080 super, if can't then just a standard 4080.
Hardware Unboxed said it pretty well: Nvidia has way more and better extra features like DLSS and Ray Reconstruction. So they can justify a higher price, and people still buy it. Don't forget that the last three years have had crazy inflation. The $800 12GB 3080 would cost $950 today. Here is your $100-$150 price increase.
@@MaxxPlay99 This guy wants 4k/120 ultra settings with full RT on latest AAA titles for like $800... dream on.
They don't wanna provide much better value, because they want it to look really good Vs the 5000 series when it launches, so they have to hold back this gen....
It's all just marketing.
@@Dempig When did I say that then?
Good info here!!
We need a time-laps or a montage of Paul running all the tests... so basically just a still photo of Paul sitting there looking stressed.
No
This was great data presented to my face.
4070 ti super is making the 7900XT look like an amazing product. Nvidia keeps shoveling over priced stuff because all they care about now is the AI GPU Boom.
Don't forget dlss ....everyone wants a worse version of a game but with more fps lol...fml
Yep, I just bought a 7900 XT because of this release lol
Except AMD never makes good video cards
A gamer should not be rewarding Nvidia (even AMD for that matter)
€600/700 Is a lot for these mid-end GPU's.
@@cyphaborg6598 It is a lot, but they cost more because they have a lot of memory and features like Tensor Cores and RT Cores
I just recently bought a 4070ti and felt like a chump when the 4070ti super was announced… doesn’t look like I’m missing out on too much thankfully.
That 16 gigs of vram would be nice for the future though.
Yeah especially looking at the 1% lows...
@@timotmon I'm fine at 1440p
@@HelloTeamMyName😂😂😂 ur in for a rough time
It's definitely not pleasant.
I also bought 13900k maximus hero and after 5 6 months there was 14900k and dark hero, that's the market
honestly the 7900xt* (typo was xtx) looks very compelling at 700 bucks
Let me know where you can find a 7900 XTX for $700.
@@TheRealSkeletorwas gonna say the same thing. Brand new, not used
You mean the 7900xt and not the xtx I would assume. Even the xt is $750, but the xtx is $950 at the cheapest
@TheRealSkeletor my bad I made a typo and meant the 7900xt
@@zhon5311it looks like a good deal until you factor in raytracing, AI upscaling, and general driver support.
Ngreedia: Happy to keep raising the price bar.
AMD: Happy to follow Ngreedia's price bar. Always.
That 7900 XT looks hard to beat...the price to performance number is astonishing.
Yeah that card is getting impressive.
Astonishing? lol. That's a bit much. If the 7900 XT was around $700 you start to get good value... but we're not even there yet.
When the price goes down to $650 for it. I am buying it. But then at $700 it’s still not too shabby.
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns who’s selling it for $700 though?
16 vs. 20 GB
Thats the difference
I'm very hesitant about this card, but I don't know
Nice video, thanks for running the numbers!
As a sane customer, I won't be buying any 70-class GPU above the price of $500. These prices are very unreasonably high.
I purchased my 1080ti for $700 and my 3080 for $750 now a 4070 TI Super goes for $800. Inflation Sucks, especially artificially inflated prices.
Pricing could have been more competitive but Nvidia doing Nvidia things. Thanks Paul
Purchase the 4070 ti super 16gb . Primary reasons : price to fps , software support (better utilization for cuda cores) and most importantly the size (only have 267 mm of lenth) . Upgrading from RTX 2080 to MSI ventus 2x (white). Cheaper options were 4070 super and amd rx7800xt . All other cards are 3 fan / to big so it worked out great for me !
Honestly I’m just looking for a card that will fit in my case. Seems these may have a smaller form factor which is nice.
The big problem I see with these cards is that are way overprized, because, let's be real, the 4070 ti is in reality a 4070 and the 4070 is a 4060, and paying $700 for a "real" 4070 super is way too much, also paying $550+ for a "real" 4060 is pure madness!
RTX4070 user here... not upgrading until at least 2030.
I was really happy with my GTX1080 for many years, and for about 20 years I always got the FASTEST card I could. Not this time as I can't justify the high end anymore due to diminishing returns etc. My GTX1080 started to get a little long in the tooth for a few games like Spider-Man Remastered. Right now I'm playing modded SKYRIM and at worse my GPU usage is 50% (before on my GTX1080 I got a few stutters due to my texture mods, but not now). My Ryzen 3000 CPU means that getting a faster GPU is problematic due to CPU bottlenecking (varies by game but on average a problem). So rather than UPDATE this system I plan to ONLY buy new games that run well on it. I only have so much time, and frankly I seem to mainly play Skyrim, Baldur's Gate 3 and a few other games that are so fun and run GREAT on my mid-range system I just have no incentive to buy another game for a long time anyway. A new monitor? Sure. A new gaming PC? Meh... assuming The Elder Scrolls 6 is good, let's see... release in 2028? Then two years to iron out the major bugs? 2030!
I've got my launch day 1080ti and 2080ti in my pc's and quit chasing the flagship launches after the 2080ti. I may splurge on a 4080 super depending on the reviews/price so i can retire my 1080ti to the shelf.
Get a Ryzen 5000 PU it's such a jump up - went from 3700X to 5700X (couldn't afford 5800X3D) and loving the extra lifespan it has given me for my system
I'm certain your 4070 will not last nearly as long as your 1080ti did. That was an exceptional card. It leaped over its previous generation when raster was king. I predict the next gen middle class will make the 4070 not hold up well for the same, or even less money. How do I make this prediction? History. The 1080 followed a rather weak 980. Look at the 2080 performance and its price jump. It led to a 3080 with a comparatively bigger performance jump for less money. Supply is the thing that ruined that gen for us. Now, the 4080 was a desaster. The 5080 will be a bigger jump for less/same money putting pressure on lower cards as the 30 gen did. You will probably buy a new card in 2027, if you are very patient but many people in your position will already buy next year. I think. Or, maybe I'm completely off, but I doubt it. Greetings.
"Contains Ti/Super" is my favorite data row. If you put that on a shirt, I would buy it...
Great info, but as someone who spend $850 on an AIB 6800xt that is still pumping out frames, this generation is a pass for me. People on 10 or 20 series cards looking for more frames have options, but when the price creep has moved the "midrange" over $500, I have friends see it as not feasible and would rather get a console to just play games...
5:58 Paul says dodo. Tee hee
800 for some, double price for others in other countries
I'm seriously thinking about 7900xt
Do it
@@210420rocky MSI Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB GAMING TRIO CLASSIC for example ?
Thanks for the review!
"Contains Ti / Super" - appreciated you've added that to the graph, it's Super Ti useful. 😂
While the 4070ti Super may have not been the 16GB powerhouse some had expected it is the sweet spot. It's a very capable 1440/4K GPU. I can't think of too many games where a 4090 needs DLSS or maybe even a 4080 too. So the 4070ti Super can use/need that feature to make 4K a very plausible option. In other words, DLSS augments the 4070Ti Super well where you don't need to spend 4 digits for a 4K GPU.
Thanks for including MSFS 2020 in your testing.
I found out that the ASUS TUF RTX 4070TI Super variant is $850. It’s seems like it’s decent. However the 7900XT will get a price cut down to $650. This means for $200 less I can get 20GB VRAM on a 320 bit memory bus, better raterzation performance, and better value. The drivers form AMD have improved a lot. They rarely bug out and when they do it’s very easy to fix it by simply restarting the service and or using a stable driver. Also VR on AMD has been getting good as well. I tried the Quest 2 with link cable and it worked flawlessly. Also the index also works well with it as well. So Unless I see the RTX 4070ti super get a $150 price cut down to $700 I’m sticking with AMD.
For what I play I don't see the value in dlss. And as cool aa ray tracing is (excessive bloom aside), Its not in enough games (again at least that I play, and want to buy) to matter.
i choose the ti super any day. the raster performance is the same. The games tested are always either amd or nvidia biased, like in horizon zero dawn where the ti super beat the xt or then in call of duty where the xt beats the ti super. the average is just out of these games, so if there are more amd biased games included its gonna be a win for amd and if there are more nvidia biased games included nvidia will win. timespy doesnt really say the exact gaming performance, and having a 700 points difference can easely be achieved with an oc.
Finally a decently priced 16gb card for stable diffusion (for anything AI related, nvidia is still king). I agree that all these (nvidia AND AMD) cards are still a tad too expensive, but everyone (not I) who bought a video card during covid/crypto boom signalled to the market they were willing to pay outrageous prices, so here we are. And an 8gb card can do 1080p gaming just fine.
Let's be honest, how many actually buy an Nvidia card for pure rasterization? It's mostly for RT and maybe DLSS + Frame Gen (DLSS3). Otherwise, if you don't care about any of that, the AMD cards are way better value. In that note, I find a lot of these pure rasterization comparisons are not very helpful, especially for someone that wants to utilize the cards to it's full potential with all the software support. I'm hoping there's a full review with everything turned on.
Still, 7900XTX have straight 20-30% better performance for only around 50-100$ more, so choice feels pretty obvious?
@@Jurigag yeah and I was hoping AMD had a more competitive price off the hop last year, they could of easily destroyed Nvidia
@@saiya8078AMD doesn't have competitive prices?
The 7900XT is faster and a lot cheaper. Nvidia needs to cut prices to get competitive again.
@@Jurigag 4070 ti super it is!
I’m running a 7800xt and honestly it does more than enough for me. I’m playing at mostly 1080p and can easily max out settings in everything and games look absolutely gorgeous. Games are super smooth and just feel right. Playing cyberpunk on max settings and capped at 144 is an entirely surreal experience. Even at 4k, the 7800xt still handles itself well. I considered a 4070 variant but I’m not really into raytracing and prefer raw performance over it.
I did the same ! I'm really happy with my 7800XT paired with a 5800x3d on competitive title like CS2 and OW2 I have 500+ fps on average and triple A games at max settings still getting more than 144
I can’t go back to 1080p. Guess I’ll finally have to break down and buy a new RTX 4070 ti Super (Nvidia really needs t re-evaluate their naming scheme).
@@PowerLvL9000 I have a 24 inch monitor so 1080p looks pretty crisp to me but 🤷♂️
@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 Man, like that's a postage stamp...I think my 34" UW is too small. (1440)
@davejohn255 my desk is only big enough for two 24 inch monitors side by side
Thanks for the benchmarks! As a day 1 4070ti buyer, I was a bit annoyed as the 12GB became an issue a bit later. Then even more annoyed when the ti Super was announced. I haven't had any issues at 1440p, and thankfully the ti Super isn't such a huge jump that I'm completely regretful about my purchase. Although I think this will have me rethink ever buying Day 1 again unless I'm buying a top of the stack card.
Yeah the 20% faster card for the same money hurts at this point I'm just waiting for amd to drop a 10% faster 7950xt for 750$ we all know its coming
i got mine on Christmas day imma return it then get this "free" upgrade XD i honestly think there is driver issues with the day one drivers it seems like the 4070 ti beats in some places but in the end it might be like 4% worse then a 4080
When I bought my mots recent GPU I was down to the 4070Ti or 7900XT. That was about 6-7 months ago. I ended up getting a 7900XT for $770 after tax/shipping back then on a sale.
Now, with the recent Nvidia release of the Super versions, I'm even more happy about my choice. I'd be PISSED if I spent the few extra dollars back then on a 4070Ti, only to have them release a Super version which should have been their previous counterparts to begin with. Nvidia trolling it's customers.
@@IAMRUSTEDROOTYou did it it right!
I was itching to upgrade my 3080 ti, and was really hoping that the 4070 ti super would be closer to the 4080 in performance...but as it stands now, I'm going to skip the 40xx generation. I'm really hoping that Nvidia bring back some value in the future 5000 series, but I'm not holding much hope
NVIDIA "What should we do with all these busted AD103 chips that failed to be 4080's? I got it! 4070 TI Super!
another disappointing launch, people were expecting performance closer to 4080, not a 5% gain over 4070 ti...
indeed
Seems like the 7900 XT is the way to go
DLSS for $50 - $75 more is actually worth it IMO.
I don't like DLSS so to me plus the fairly substantial downsides in raw performance it isn't. Besides I do a fair bit of productivity tasks. BUT, if I find one for less than a 7900xt I might just grab it.
@@timotmon 20gb more performance, cheaper, FS3 will work IN EVERY GAME (and because of that even in RT the amd card will perform better), so no the 7900 xt is the way to go.
@@nicane-9966 Nvidia has better memory compression so that extra 4GB is not making the slightest difference for anybody. FS3.. okay point taken that it works in all games but it's still inferior compared to DLSS. Unless that 7900XT dips below $700 the value is barely negligible at this point. I would love to buy one too.. but it needs to drop even more.
@@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature What productivity tasks do you do? I always have to have Nvidia in my work machine for Octane rendering... I wish AMD could catch up here. My gaming rig is all AMD though.
Upgrading from a 2070 Super to the 4070ti super! Should be a decent upgrade!
Thanks Paul! Very helpful!
I'm just going to wait for the 5000 series at this point.
How long though really until then!
This is a great advertisement for the 7900 XT.
If this is what we can expect from the '4070 ti super', then the '4080 super' will be even more of a letdown if rumours are to be believed... It's truly a depressing time to be a PC hardware (semi-)enthusiast...
What are you talking about? The 4080 Super is going to be $1,000. That's $200 less than the 4080, and it has better performance. Even if the performance is identical, it doesn't matter because you have a $200 lower MSRP.
@@rustler08
The 4080 is ~2.9x the graphical performance of the 1080 (which I have now).
The 4080 also has 178% the TDP of the 1080.
Its price - adjusted for inflation - is also 178% that of the 1080.
In 8 years, my performance per buck and Watt would've roughly tripled if I assume the 4080 super would be a factor 3.0 better. Plus it gets raytracing. I'm honestly not impressed by these numbers.
Appreciate the coverage good sir! Thinking my 2070 Super might be getting a new home here this spring.
800$+tax is close to $1000 than to $500
I feel so outdated with my 1080Ti now, but still love it and can't let it go. When I do decide to upgrade I'm going full AMD/Ryzen.
Wait until February AMD is supposedly announcing more X3D chips I wanna say some are AM4 and some are AM5/LGA. Otherwise the R7 7800x3d seemed to be best bang for buck if your getting a new AMD setup.
AMD video cards are complete garbage. You'll regret it
What gpu would you recommend to go with it? I don't know if I should settle for the 7900XT or buy the XTX
@@hauru4564 Look up benchmarks for whatever games you play. Determine if the price increase for the XTX is worth whatever FPS gains it provides.
@@hauru4564 I'm waiting for the next Gen at least to see. I don't play the newest of the new titles. Most recent game I play is Sons of The Forest 1440p ultra settings and get 60+FPS still. So it's not that bad for me just yet.
I really liked the breakdown of price per frame. Eye-opener for sure.
I think i'll be fine with my RX 6800 XT for the next 2-3 years.
would be nice compare them in 1080 with a 2080 2070 or 3070 or 1080 GTX to see the difference , comparing a generation with its generation competitors i dunno how useful it is .
Check out the Gamers Nexus review for that.
6800XT still kicking ass!
If I’m going into the 700+ price category, I’m probably going with a 7900xt. I don’t give 2 shits about Ray tracing, and at 1440p you wouldn’t even need DLSS.
in msfs i can only play at max settings when i have dlss quality and framegen enabled. Im playing at 3440x1440p.
Thank you. Can't wait for the 4080 SUPER review.
I bought a new system with a 7900 XTX last week. The 7900 XTX had a price tag of €1.000 (cheapest 4080 was around 1.420 EUR). Looking at the price of this 4070 ti Super ($800), it will be 20% more expensive here, so that would mean a price tag of around €960 EUR. So basically 40 EUR cheaper than a 7900 XTX. 40 EUR less for a card that's 25% - 30% slower than the 7900 XTX in rasterization... Yeah no... sorry... this is ridiculous...
What's ridiculous is trying to justify the purchase of a graphics cards based on rasterization. Existing AMD will age badly because games are now being developed with only ray tracing modes.
@@nekro9119 Actual ray tracing is only viable on the 4080 and 4090. You really think that developers will waste their time with only implementing ray tracing modes in their games. If they do it's bye bye to their sales on PC because not everyone will have 1000+ dollar card. And consoles won't be able to run it properly for a long time either. 1. Because realistically they're not going to be able to put anything in the next console generation that is actually decent in terms of ray tracing performance and 2. It's AMD that makes the GPUs in the consoles.
Who in their right mind would want to suffer such a big penalty to their framerate to play with ray tracing on? People on high refresh monitors? No. People with a mid-range or lower graphics card? No. People that actually still want some performance at high native resolutions? No.
You want to play with ultra textures at a high resolution? Good luck with these 12gb and 16gb cards in 2 - 4 years. Those will be outdated way more quickly than rasterization will.
@@nekro9119 90% of games are made with console sales first in mind, and consoles can't handle it, it will be at least 2 next console generations so at least 6 years imho until games will be really developed from scratch with ray traycing only in mind. When that will come I assume you will buy for around 400-500$ gpu performing similar in performance to rtx 4090/rx 7900xtx
True, in Europe these Nvidia cards have far less bang for their buck.
Went over the benchmarks a second time just to listen to the chill song, nice choice!
People crying aboht the cost... this isnt for you. Ps5 is great value. Buy it and move on. PC building has always been a way to burn money... i remember my father building a *gaming rig* back in 2005... it was a ton back then. Inflation is a bitch but this "hobby" has ALWAYS been deep pocket bull shit.
Well, from those graphs, it's very obvious which card to buy...and it is not made by NVidia.
I ran a 3070 for 2.5 years, just bought a straight 4070Super... and it's better by 55% fps over the old card, running the same game parameters. Good enough for next 2.5 years, It ain't the fastest, but then I'm not the best gamer LOL
Every 40 series card below the 4080 feel like they are a tier lower in disguise. The 4070 Ti Super should have been the base 4070 Ti and the 4070 Ti the base 4070, Base 4070 the 4060 so on and so forth. The 4060 is a 4050 in disguise. Really would have thought this card would have been closer to the base 4080 a little bit, especially since its using AD103 instead of AD104.
4050: 249
4060: 299
4060 Ti: 349
4070: 429
4070 Ti: 499
Would have a sold a boat load of those cards at those prices
You mean a tier lower in disguise lol
The fact that the 4070Ti was a 192-bit card at $800 was just dumb to me. That was what you usually saw on maybe a $500-600 card at most previously.
@@originalscreenname44 Whats even more saddening is that its successor, with 16gb of vram and 256 bit bus is barely a 5% performance increase, on AD103 instead of AD104 no less.. ouch.
7900xt looks great, now drop to 649 n it will the card to get
what are you smoking
@@prrish Not whatever ur smoking
It will drop in about a couple weeks.
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns yea if not a month
Seen a couple of use for 600
is already 700.- it wont go cheaper until black friday again, and on bf was at 700.-.
I feel like doing the price per frame on the 4080 at the new $1000 msrp would have be useful for folks deciding between 4070ti Super and the 4080 Super as that card will only be a little better and the 4080 is effectively gone.
I currently own a 3070ti…..none of these cards at their performance level, especially at the 600-700$ price point seem worth upgrading to. Seems like waiting for the 50 series is the only option. Was really disappointed that 4070 Super didn’t have 16GB ;/
It's either the 7900XT or waiting another year. Not that next gen will be priced any better though.
i appreciate the increase in vram and bandwidth, but i still wouldn’t buy this if i had that much money for a gpu (which i don’t), its too expensive for a 70s card
They should of made this card more closer to the 4080 and named it the Ultra, then make the 4080 Super atleast 20% faster than the 4080, then you would have 4070, 4070 Ultra, 4080 Super, then you would have a nice speed advantage between all of em, instead we got alot cards with little gain
I love data on my face--wait.
Anyway thank you Paul and Joe! I had to watch your video first.
Decent AIB models are gonna be above 800 dollars. Same with the 4080S. Since no FE models.
Troll Name, Troll Performance and Troll Pricing. Well that's "Trollvidia" for you ladies and gentlemen.
I love how tech reviewers use the settings that no one would use playing on these cards, said no one ever.
bought 4080 little over a year ago and a 78000x3d few weeks ago, works wonders and dont have to worry
I really do not like the "cost per frame" comparison for a bunch of reasons such as the quality of the frame. at a certain point, additional frames produce no discernable effect, and leaving out other advantages (you mainly get with Nvidia) such as AI, upscaling, ray/path tracing, and productivity/creative software. Sure, if you are 30+ years old and living with your parents subsisting on your sole income of a paper route the pennies might be important and will not be canceled out by efficiency since daddy pays the electric bill. But if techtubers insist on including it at least use the MSRP of the cards since sales come and go and something a competitor might do to mute a launch probably is not going to stick around.
I’m buying this card in April can’t wait
And all the idiots crying because they thought they were somehow going to get a 4070 Ti Super with near 4080 performance for $800.
LMAO
This is 1200$ for us canadians. You guys are lucky lol
Thank you for this data. It's convincing me that a 7900xt is capable for 4k gaming. I can settle with that instead of going for a 4080 then I guess.
I really wish you would include some older GPUs in benchmarks. I doubt many people are upgrading from a 4070 to 4070 Super. I am more interested in how these stand next to 30 series.
What about the difference when all the goodies are on, both beam tracking and all other features. The 7900 Xt immediately comes last
Not even close to the 4080. 7900XT looks really good now for $700+
Great review but don't sleep on 7900 XT. The price value still holds, if you want RT then go to green daddy KEKW
Can you add some old GPU (3080, 3070, 2080) data cost per frame to show trend?
bigger gains at 4k, which i guess is the bigger memory bus coming into play...would of lliked to see a couple more stats with raytracing and maybe some dlss/fsr at high quality etc to see what you can expect to see, as this is bordering use with 4k screen being an expensive card...Doom is great as an old test, but pretty much all cards can get high fps..I'd prefer a few more newer games now like Starfield etc...maybe Avatar/Pandora that push the newer cards as show maybe a bit of of their longevity. Good work though..love your content, including your house refurb etc...more please
It's the CPU bottleneck as well.
All this showed me was that the 700 I paid for my 7900 xt during Black Friday was the right choice for me. I'm no a RT guy and feel like for the most part, RT isn't worth the performance loss even on something like my son's 4080. Feels like the Super version of these cards is too little, too late, too much.
Dlss unfortunately is a huge selling point for me
@@breedlofam Exactly this. I was never sold on RT or DLSS coming from a 20 series card. I think I turned raytracing on exactly one time and never again and just ignored the whole thing as it got better. I don't need the lighting to look more realistic. That doesn't improve the gameplay for me. What does is raw framerate that doesn't add input latency. That's why when I found a 7900 XT for $710 open box, I jumped on it and it's been a great part of my new build.
@@originalscreenname44 the problem is that youre never gonna notice the differenc ein raster performance from a 7900xt to a 4070 ti super, but youre gonna notice the difference in rt performance from the xt to the ti super.
Dude it is NOT $800 for most people. It is only 800 in the US. Overseas it is MUCH more expensive. Please stop being so close minded.
7900xtx going to last me for quite some time...
Your prices were for the amd gpu at 2:00
Appreciate that the video was kept short based on the fact that the 4080 super will impact the 4070ti super’s desirability
This is why Paul is my favourite PC hardware reviewer, and the one I trust the most
4080 Super is expected to be priced at $1,400. No shot that it will negatively impact the 4070ti Super's desirability. If anything it will increase it.
@@supitzsammmwhat? it’s $1000 msrp
9:52 in canada the difference between a 4080 and a 4090 is more like 800-1000$
is the 4070ti super asus tuf non oc variant good buy if gigabyte gaming OC variant has the same price? asus tuf oc variant is $141 usd more.
Not a single RT benchmark, so just a hugbox for AMD fans.
For anyone deciding between a RTX 4070 , 4070super, 4070ti, or 4070ti super
Do yourself a favor and buy either a 4070 or 4070super price range between those two are about ($580 -$650) only if you want the extra clock speed..
Don’t buy the 4070ti it’s still too over priced at about $760 $800 and only 9% faster than 4070super
If you don’t care for spending $850
Then the 4070ti super will offer a bit more performance and 4gb more vram..
But honestly the performance isn’t that noticeable.. unless you play on more demanding games then the extra 4gb vram will help but other wise just get the 4070 super you’ll save $200 and it will be similar performance..
These are just marketing schemes to get you to spend more..
I bought a 4070ti super and a 4070 ti super and compared them both on a msi Gaming x Slim and the performance was so ridiculously similar I returned the 4070ti super got my money back and kept the 4070 super… hope this helps 👍🏻
Do you think that game day drivers/support is why the mere 5% increase in FPS and that once driver/game engine kinks get worked out this performance will go up by another 10% on average closer to 4080 performances??
As a mid way refresh... I doubt it. But If they software hobbled some of them to make their other products look better it's possible.
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can anyone help? Im trying to decide between 4070super and 4070ti super for 1440p gaming with 165hz monitor. i7 12700kf
I just got a 4070ti super. I game at 1440p too. Having 4 extra gigs of vram made me get it. It's pretty pricey but if you can afford it I'd say go with the ti super. If you dont mind toning down the graphics a little you can go with the 4070 super will be fine
same situation, but I decided to stay with my 3070 until 5000 release. Dont see a point to pay 1000$ for a 10% improvement over 4070 ti
I just got the tuff gaming 4070 ti super. Im currently using a 5700xt sapphire
XTX FTW
Bro do you think it's worth it to buy the asus tuf rtx 4070 ti super oc for 50 dollars more over the non oc edition? Good review by the way 👍
It's better binned, so I'd lean yes. Assuming you keep the card for 4 years (asus's warranty -- with registration), $50 doesn't mean much. And if you don't keep it, you can sell it used for more. Unless you really need that $50 for something else, like nice cut of steak.
@@DaemonJax thanks bro
Could u do a benchmark for Esport titles? Like CS, League, Warzone especially?
If you want to add a spin on the $ per frame, add Watts per frame also, surely interesting in today's economy
NO no NO ,, AMD fanboys ONLY allow watts when comparing CPU's ,, we cannot have AMD not being the best :)
@@tilapiadave3234 😂😂😂😂😂
RT off is not max settings FYI. I wouldn't spend hundreds or even thousands on a graphics card just to not be able to play next-gen games at max settings lol. Even consoles have "lite" RT nowadays.
Before you buy anything think about this. The 4070 Ti Super is most probably use AD103 chips which failed at being 4080s. Meanwhile the 4080 Super is going to use the absolute best maxed out AD103 chips.
I will save my $400 and lose 10/20 fps but my wallet will be alot more happy