Switching to AMD - 6 Months Later
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- An essay detailing my experience 6 months after trading in my Geforce RTX 3070 for an AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT in my editing & gaming rig.
Part 1: Switching to AMD
• Switching to AMD
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After 6 months of daily driving a Radeon RX 6900 XT, I have some thoughts. Does it satisfy my gaming needs? Can it do the job as a video editing workhorse? And am I thinking of switching back?
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00:00 6 months with Radeon
00:50 Recap - why did I make the switch?
02:58 Gaming
03:44 Jedi Survivor
07:31 Death Stranding
09:16 Elden Ring
11:06 Control
12:33 Forza Motorsport
15:16 Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
16:52 Baldur's Gate 3
18:09 Davinci Resolve
20:04 Conclusions
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Oops, my bad. Control was set to a render resolution of 1080P, but wasn't using FSR, just the standard internal scaling.
Remember you can now use AFMF in games that don't have FSR3 , that would help with your fps in Control
I mean half a year and you are still using it :P
im thinking buying the rx 7800 xt because i have rtx 3070
@@adi6293afmf feels off to me, feels like there's a lot of input lag
@@kryse4806 What games did you try and what was your base fps? I tried in Control, War Thunder, Diablo 4 and Cyberpunk 2077 and with base fps at 90 - 120 it was pretty good
Going through comments has me realizing that you're still a smaller tech channel, the content is just so polished I tend to forget. Lovely video
true he seems real professional more than LTT
LTT for people who have a personality besides their computer
(to avoid the trappings of poe's law, I don't doubt you have a personality)
@@Tadoss why do you think that??
They're fun people who have lives outside the PC things.
Ironically, I have zero life outside my channel.
i didnt mean that i dont like LTT i just wanted to mark how organizend and professional iceberg seems eventhough he is a smaller youtuber whos videos have the quality like that of a big team (just more on a budget)@@shrishpotdar343
i find it funny how i saw this channel go from literal 0 to 60k, good work there buddy.
I saw his videos from 20k subs
Soon 60k to 1 mil
I know right?? it's grown so fast! It's that damn intro music that gets me everytime for some reason
@@goregejones7248i came around 11-13k i keep thinking hes a big channel😅
He really has grown allot since the start
Fancy graphics that require a fortune just to run at 60fps won't make games any better. It's annoying how the industry has been chasing flashy visuals over quality gameplay for decades now just to produce mediocre titles that are forgotten about 6 months after release.
genuinely these games are just videos at this point like mate I get the lovely visuals but come on Where's the GAME
This is the exact reason why games like ea fc 24( fifa) are failing and games like lethal company are thriving
Currently playing the Recomp of Majoras Mask at 5120x1440p@240fps, your right graphics really dont and most of the best games of all time are old anyway. I do however want a 5080 when it releases the 6800XT doesn't cut it at this resolution but thats merely for my own pleasure than ANY necessity
Went from a PS5 to a 5600/6700xt build. Now have a 7600x/7900xt build. No issues with my purchases and would buy AMD again so long as their products come at a discount for their shortcomings in RT and upscaling.
bros upgrading every year, damn.
🤘🤘🤘 I did something very similar to you and love my pc !!
is the price difference between amd and nvidia NOT a result of shortcomings in RT and upscaling? partially anyway
fsr 3 coming.
they already annouced FSR 3.1 😭 @@daurykais
Upgraded from my retired old GTX 750 TI to a RX6600 because of your first video on switching to AMD, so far best upgrade ever, NVIDIA prices are completely unreasonable in Brazil, a performance matching NVIDIA card would be double the price.
Can confirm, NVIDIA has its own premium here in brazil, got a friend of mine a 7700xt for about the same price as a 4060, for a card that's competing with the 4060 ti 16gb, i'd say that was a nice deal.
It's not just in Brazil if you're on a budget Nvidia is not the way to go anymore, there's too much of a performance gap. It's not that anything under the 70 serie isn't the "best deal possible" now, nah it's rather that it's straight up a bad purchase decision.
for 1200 ~1400 reais the RX 6600 is a no brainer. I wanted to give intel a try, but the A750 is close in price to the RX 7600, and have many driver issues(1600 reais).
@@jose294052I hear the drivers are decent now
It's hard to have a conversation online about prices because of how many US people there are with their perspective being completely irrelevant to the rest of the world. In my country the 4070 Super costs the same as the 4070ti, while the 7900XT is that exact same price and is much better at raster and almost equal in RT.
Moving down the stack it's the same story, where the only reason to buy Nvidia is for DLSS, because their RT performance isn't above and beyond each price point and of course is a tier below in raster (like you said a 7700XT vs a 4060 is no competition).
I'm pretty sure Nvidia is only making money outside the US from prebuilts and business use, and AI/crypto shovel-selling.
I upgraded from a rtx 2060 super to rx6800 and so far no complaints. The prices was 500$ at the time.
What model is your rx 6800?
me too! I upgraded from 1660S to MSI RX 6800 Gaming Trio (non XT) and it plays everything smoothly on 1440p!
I also got an RX 6800 last year for my 2023 build. It's an Asrock Phantom Gaming model.
same here i upgraded from gtx 1650 to rx 6800xt this card is a hidden gem fr i cant believe no one buys it!
I did the exact same lmao 1660 super to msi card and all @@shiningthetruth
Since I read it so many times here: Undervolt and OC your GPU, always, regardless of the brand. GPUs come way overtuned mostly to make sure most silicon runs stable. They dont want to have cards returned just cause of stability issues so the sell them on high voltage settings at stock.
Even my 7900xtx sapphire nitro+ went from 420W stock to 280W on full load (less than a stock 4080) while never crossing 50C°. No performance loss. And Im not into extreme undervolting or overclocking. These are super standard stable settings and Im just amazed how the card performs while being so extremely cool.
UV+OC your (somewhat) modern GPU, whatever u have. Literally 0 risk, your GPU lives longer, ur system is cooler and u safe some money too. The worst that can happen is that a game makes your system crash and it goes back to default GPU settings automatically. Just follow a guide on youtube, takes only a few minutes but gets u so many benefits.
I have my 6650XT running at 1.150v and 2800mhz, stable as bedrock and draws ~155w. AMD's Adrenalin makes it so easy. Hotspot temp hits 85C after hours of 1440p Cyberpunk. It's actually wild how good AMD is on the price/performance metric.
7900xtx Nitro here also! And i completely agree, this can also be further improved by just capping the framerate, 260w~ D4 at 200fps, even drops below 200w at 150 :-) With a slight undervolt
I must be giga unlucky cause my RX 7600 can't even run at 1180 mv while *underclocked* to 2600 mhz. If I change *any* of the settings at all, besides the fan curve, it will crash in-game randomly. Not a great introduction to AMD for me, and I kinda wish I went with a 4060 instead.
@@sudomywoodo Idk man. Its 165W TDP. The 4060 is 115W TDP. It is a difference but 50 watts is nothing..Even if ur gaming 8 hours a day, 7 days a week on full load its a laughable difference, even in countries with high electricity cost. Maybe someone can offer some stable settings but those cards usually struggle with modern (AAA) games and run already on a super low power usage. And if ur playing indie games or somethign similar they obviously dont run on full load and are super efficient that way..So yeah..
@@sudomywoodo sounds to me like a defective card that you could easily get to RMA. The 4060 is a terrible card, there's no scenario where it's a convenient purchase, unless for some reason you absolutely need the best performance out of a low profile card. Your best choice for around 300 USD would've been a 6700 (non-XT), XT or 6750 XT, right now it's hard to catch one at that price.
I upgraded from an RTX 3060 Ti 8GB to XFX 6800 XT 16GB in April 2023. [Also upgraded from a 2600X to a 5800X3D January 2024]
Loving every bit of it.
AM4ever.
This sounds pretty similar to my set up I have a 6gb 1660 super right now but I’m wanting to do 4k gaming I just got a 5800X3D and now I’m just wondering what card I should get!
@@Zuccleberry For 4k60, the 7800 XT or RTX 4070 and up would be a good starting point for today’s line of cards.
Cringe.
@@sandboy5880 Yes you are.
@@dakbassett
Cringe.
I remember you getting the 6900XT like it was yesterday... incredible that it's already been 6 months.
Same
I sold the RX 6900 XT LC for 1000€ and bought a 4090 for 2240€ when it was released and yes it was worth it. 🎉
I did something similar recently. After I cashed out my PTO from switching jobs this past September, I treated myself to an upgrade from an RTX 2070 Super to an RX 7800 XT. There were some teething issues with RDNA3 being a new architecture, but I'm very happy with the performance so far at 1440p. Especially getting that card for 520 USD.
I hate to be cynical, but isn't that above MSRP?
Because your not running stupid RT which everyone knows is not worth it and not where AMD shines. Rasterization is all that matters. Enjoy! Great GPU!!~
@@Tartarus144it is now
@@Tartarus144 Only about $20, some 3rd party GPUs are slightly more expensive for a few reasons.
@@Tartarus144 good observation. It was right after launch so demand was high, hence prices were higher. Still better than the 4070 pricing
I also just got my first Amd Card this Week after a GT 620 to a Gtx 750ti to a Gtx 960 i now have a Rx 5600 XT and so far im very happy. The Performance Jump from the 960 was Huge.
same here its unmatched
I upgraded from the Nvidea 1660 super to my first AMD 7900xt just because of the ram size, I have no regrets. AMD isn't as bad as it's made out to be
@@rowanhorsley761nvidai and intel nood vs amd ryzen radeon god $
Fantastic video and I will continue to support you on Patreon. I am no content creator so I went with AMD several years ago. Got an RX 5700 and I upgraded last Christmas to a 6900XT just like you. I am not interested in ray tracing, rather high resolution high refresh rate since I only play older games with the occasional new release like BG3. I am CPU-limited with my 3600 so I'll upgrade my cpu soon-ish.
I can see myself holding onto this 6900 XT for a long time. Thanks again for the killer videos and I wish you the best.
switch from gtx 1650 to rx 6800xt. I chose it mainly for its vram and AMD's history in maintaining software features to their old gen. bought it for 350 usd last year. Still rocking it to this day playing all the games i play at ultrawide 1440p at 60 to 200 fps max graphics.
I think if one plays at 1440P, hi refresh rate...AMD offers some compelling GPU products/price points.
4K with RT ON...less so...but I don't need it, so there that!
What cpu? Ram?
@@pre-dawnraid9037 cpu is the 5800x3d
but, you do know that nvidia supported the 1000 series / maxwell longer than amd supported their RX series/ polaris and vega which came out later than the 1000 series ?
support is winding down for the last GCN products (Polaris and Vega). There is a driver for RDNA+Polaris_Vega in the release notes (underneath main driver link), but GCN is probably only getting critical security updates and bug fixes at this point (aside from WDDM driver model updates). While Nvidia still updates maxwell regularly. Yeah they supported polaris/vega for over 7 years but nvidia supported maxwell (gtx700 series) for over 8 years. Now nvidia has cut em off but still supports the 1000 series which is the gpu generation today that is the one that has been out for the longest between both nvidia and AMD,
as of today nvidia supports their cards longer back than amd does, the thing amd does that is good is that FSR works for every amd card out there no matter generation, so making a gpu jump based on "amds history in maintaining software features for their old gen" is factually very wrong and not valid at all if you actually look up their respective closures regarding support on various gpu series...
I actually love your setup, because it is way more reasonable than most out there, and quite a bit more relatable too for most the audience - with the prices as they are, very few sport anything above the level of an RTX 4070 / RX 7900 GRE / RX 6900 XT.
Also, with prices per fps not significantly dropping anytime soon, something at the level of an RTX 4060 Ti / RX 6800 ( 16GB 4k gaming ) likely will serve you well for years to come.
on the road to 60k,
love your work and love to see you grow
keep growing 💪
Almost exacly a mirror of what I did. The Last of Us made me switch from a 2080 to a 6900XT (sold the RTX for almost the same price as the RX). A lot of fighting with the drivers and core temps, but I´m now enjoying the benefits.
same, during the initial tests I went through hell dealing with the drivers. suddenly I did a clean install (as I always did) and no it's working flawlessly. I was with NVIDIA for so long that it took a while to get used to it but I'm having a really good experience so far.
Do these driver issues and other problems mainly crop up if you don't do a clean windows install?
That's what it seems like.
Generally people say AMD and NVIDIA are on basically equal terms with drivers these days. And issues mainly happen when switching from one to the other without completely wiping and reinstalling.
For me I just built my first PC and went with AMD. Absolutely zero problems, though it's a completely fresh new build. So I assume most problems occur when switching.
@@sawdust8691I think they definitely do come from switching. I was prepared for a lot of problems with my 6800 when I built my first pc in August but haven’t had a single issue yet. Ironically enough, I’ve somehow been crashing less and have been more stable than my consoles were.
I'm wondering how the RTX 2080 and RX 6900XT compare in Ray Trace?
@@hrayz The 6900XT seems to run better with RT, but tbf, I game at 4k, which the 2080 struggles even without RT, so not a fair comparison.
Bought team red complete system 7 months ago. 7800X3d paired with 7900XTX. Absolutely love it. Played all the following games with 4k high settings.
Resident evils 2-4.
Plague tale requiem.
Final fantasy 7 remake
Call of duty modern warfare
Doom eternal
Red dead redemption 2
Horizon zero dawn dawn
Shadow of the tomb raider
The last of us part 1
No regrets at all.
quite some time ago, when the hardware was current i had a 1700x and vega64. It had some issues, but nothing MSI afterburner couldn't fix. Now i'm 78x3d and 79xtx, 0 problems whatsoever.
how many driver timeouts
similar specs to my friend, just replace 7800XD with a 7950X3D. Same for them, no regrets, though they did upgrade from a laptop with an 8th gen i9 and a GTX 1080, so quite the jump lol!
@@cr7vaibhav driver timeouts are in the past old man, lemme tell you something funny, go into nvidia support forums and see how many issues their users have
bro that's a FAST gaming rig
Your content is really polished for someone with under 100k subs.
Keep it up man.
Consistency is the key!
Few months back I jumped from an RTX 3060 ti (excellent card btw) to the Radeon RX 7900 XT. Honestly I am very happy with its performance.
I switched from a gtx 1660 ti laptop to a build with a 4070 ti super(similar performance to 7900xt) and im very happy with it!
How is it possible that you’re videos are so freaking good??? Everytime I watch them they completely catch me, thanks man, my day just got a lot better
i think because he cares about his craft, unlike other youtubers who just milk it for views and reusing other youtubers reviews.
Been using a 6900xt gpu for about 18 months or so now, and it’s been really good for the majority of experiences. But Helldivers 2 does not like all their additional post-processing tweaks they apply by default and has caused me a lot of headache. Turned off all those settings and it has resolved the issue.
Nice vid and great channel. Earned a sub!
HD2 works fine....not sure what you mean. FPS is low for the hardware (80-90 fps 1440 nearly maxed out) on OCed 6800XT, but gameplay is smooth.
The real problem is its cpu usage and intel sucking LOL. No problem for me with OCed 5800x3d.
Recently found this channel and the quality is great! I would like to see more information on power usage of the cards... cost of living crisis and all, it would definitely help the current situation
amazing content for this kind of channel size, keep it up!
I love my 7800XT. I feel it's performance versus cost wins hands down over an equally performing GeForce card. And while the titles I have tried RT on ran just fine, I really don't care about RT. Like you mentioned not appreciating RT in racing titles, I feel the same way. Focus is on the action rather than the eye candy.
I recently swtiched to amd. I love it really much now 1650 to 6600 xt this was the biggest upgrade i could have with my tight budget. The performance is insane and so called driver "issues" I never had a single one
That was also a great card at the time. Wish you well!
@@MarioAPN Also sorry I meant 6600 xt
@alpha63gaming57 uhhh, that is a great, great card. I was choosing between the new 6600xt and used 6950xt. Bought the used one. Came from R5 1600AF, rx 580 and 1080p 60Hz to R7 5700X, 6950XT and 1440p 144Hz monitor. Pff, I was actually blown away.
@@MarioAPN Damn big upgrade broski hoppe you like your new setup also the 6950xt is really good for 1440p
Great presentation in this video! Keep it up!
This is a great video and very polished! And it is very nice to see a much more relatable system spec being used as daily driver and testing!!!
I'm happy with my 15$ used rx 580 8gb saphire nitro, playing alot of mmorpg games at 1440p 60fps with high settings and very satisfied ( the owner selled the gpu for not working but I switched to its other bios and it worked flawlessly). Best 15$ spent !
8:39 - Hot Tip. Works with any game if you haven't got a VRR monitor: Leave VSync off in game and in the Radeon drivers enable "Enhanced Sync" for the game. All the benefits of Vsync, but with the ability to drive it at high refresh rates.
I'm so glad this video is popping off and that your hard work is paying off. Just keep grinding, eventually you'll become a reference in the PC enthusiast scene :p
RUclips just recommended this channel to me, and I'm loving the content so far. Will be keeping updated here from now on. Gg wp
10:31 -- The perf drop could be because of the dense foliage and vegetation that uses a lot of textures with alpha transparency. The ray-intersection test has to make several passes for each alpha textured surface to figure out what pixel is transparent or opaque. One of the RT enhancement in Ada Lovelace deals exactly with this problem -- Opacity Micro-Map -- but I don't know if the feature is implemented in this particular game or it just runs faster on RTX hardware.
It's absolutely the vegetation & it's not even limited to just RT either, it just amplifies the impact of it.
Switched from a 3060ti to a 7900xt and honestly have had no complaints whatsoever. Excited for your upcoming videos on the 2011-v3 chips you listed! Just bought a 2667v3 for $10.
I was thinking of doing the same any recommendations for what card to choose, I do want the 7900xtx but I'm not sure
@@Teddy_5040 if you are going for amd sapphire, powercolor or xfx stay away from gigabyte msi etc
@@Teddy_5040where I live the 7900xtx is twice the price of the 7800xt, so naturally I bought the 7800xt
Very solid video, good job! At first I thought "Not again this type of content..." but you raised a lot of very good points!
The RX 7000 series endeavor could be interesting from a workstation POV, as there are some major bugs with the AV1 encoder - it can't properly encode resolutions which aren't a multiple of 64x16 pixels, so 1080p comes out as 1082p with a black row of pixels unless masked by the container, which not all containers can do. Among the already widely known idle and video playback power issues.
I did my own experiment with switching to AMD with an RX 6600, from a GTX 1660, needless to say after 9 months of using it - and after the issues with RX 7000 started rolling in - I just ended up with a 4070 since the video encoder and power draw are very important to me, unlike the VRAM capacity since I don't play anything latest gen.
Great video, I’ve had some minor driver hickups with my 6600XT, but the used 6900XT I picked up for 450 has been working perfectly.
7900XTX for ~940 USD after tax during prime day. Haven’t looked back. Considering that’s cheaper than the $999 MSRP of the 4080 Super (and much cheaper than the MSRP of the 4080 when it came out), I’m super happy. Also price is usually higher since I’m in Canada, so that’s nice too.
Very detailed and engaging! Keep it up! 👍
Upgraded from GTX 1070 ROG STRIX to RX 6800 XT Asus TUF Gaming. No problems with drivers or anything. Its paired with my old I7-8700k which is stock. Would like to upgrade soon to 7800x3d to see more of the performance upgrade, but I'm happy so far. Great video again!
I still have that 1070 strix in a Zen 3 system and it runs Jedi Survivor fine at 1080p and looks great, thing is indestructible and probably the best GPU I've ever bought.
I do computer building for clients as a side gig, and if they are looking for strictly a gaming PC with no intention of doing any sort of heavier workloads or streaming I recommend them full AMD systems. if they want to stream or any heavy workloads are intended for the system, I recommend NVIDIA only due to their encoders being better. My own system has a 5800x3d and a 4080Super but I plan on streaming eventually and might be getting a different full time job where the gpu will get more use. But this is down the road.
I definitely think overall, that if you want RT and good upscaling, then you pretty much have to go NVIDIA, but if you only care about pure performance, then an AMD card will almost always be the better price to performance. The AMD cards also tend to have more VRAM. It really just depends on the feature set you either do or don't want, and a lot of people still don't care about RT or upscaling. They just want a good price to performance card so they can play some games with friends.
Very enjoyable video! I also like your more organic approach to GPU testing. Thank you 🙂 You have a new subscriber.
Great video!... I just went from a 1080 to RX 6750XT... actually really happy with it...getting same great performance but ample modern day VRam... Thinking if this lasts me well for the next two years I'll then upgrade again!
Have no regrets going from 3080 10gb to 7900 xtx, best decision ever, don't care about raytracing since its barely playable on nvidia without fake frames and that shortage of vram is dealbreaker
there is an nvidia card with enough vram that can also run full rt on 1440p, the 4070 ti super but it costs a lot of money. the other nvidia cards are way too expensive or lack the vram as u said but depending on your economical situation i'd say it's worth saving some more and going for the ti super for 1440p. even in 4k it goes toe to toe with the 7900xtx, it wins in rt and all the other nvidia features like dlss, fg, power consumption, better encoders etc and it's also 200usd cheaper but it loses in raster. imo since it has all those benefits and costs less and runs at good fps even in 4k raster makes it the better choice, even though the 7900xtx gets more fps in raster.
@@metalface_villainRT is a gimmick, and Hardwarebound for Nvidia so we wont be seeing any more Improvements for the 40 series gpus. Paying 850€ in Europe for a ti super and only using it to upscale is just not what people want especially when Nvidia only treats owners of the newest generation with new features. 7900xtx just the better option by a long shot especially in big parts of Europe where u can get them for ~50€ difference in price
pure copium.
@@metalface_villainthe 7900xtx without RT performs like a 4080super so it's not really comparable... Tho the Nvidia counterparts are MUCH more energy efficient.
@@maho8204 yeah the 4080 isn't that much better than the 4070ti super but costs more than 200, i wouldn't get the 4080 over it, as a matter of fact the only 4k gpu worth getting is the 4090, that's why i go with 4070 ti super in 1440p, so i can have the best experience possible in that res while not paying 2k for a gpu like with the 4090 for 4k xD
I went from a 1080ti to a 3070ti.
I really disliked the 3070ti and recognised that for what I do, I really needed more VRAM. Saw a 7900xt on sale one day (it was still alot at the time) and took the plunge. Afew driver issues, but it's honestly been really good.
I have a 3070 ti and man the vram is a struggle even for a game like beat saber at max is almost fully eating my vram
What driver issues? I got a 7900xt a month after launch and drivers been fine. I also went from a 1080ti as well.
@@fade2black001driver errors during rendering in blender, they're rare but they happen on AMD gpus because they use OpenCL instead of CUDA (they cant use it even if they wanted to anyways)
AMD drivers seem perfectly fine these days, the odd issue, but unlike in the years gone by, they're not catastrophic, Nvidia have had their fair share of small issues this last year, I'd say they're pretty on par now for reliability.
First time watching your video and I must say clean as heaven great vid man , (yeah man )
oh man u truly deserve more views and subs! your videos are so entertaining
Honestly, I switched to AMD simply because I like the company and it's mission more. Nvidia doesn't care about gamers and continuously screws us over. They only care about dirty money and crypto-miners, regardless who they fuck over on the way. AMD is a company of gamers, for gamers. They care about their fans, work hard to improve their products, and price their products fairly.
At the end of day, the choice to switch was easy for me. I'd rather feel like a gamer than a chump getting squeezed for money.
Mining is a bad example, because the vast majority of AMD cards went to miners during the mining craze and Nvidia actually released LHR (low hashrate) cards (the protection was circumvented after a year, but still) to get cards to gamers.
did not expect to see Star Trek Online in your steam library, one of my fav games at the moment
Played it once after a friend was talking about it. My actual Trek gaming ended with... maybe Armada 1?
TREKKIES UNITE! :)
@@IcebergTech you should check out the armada 3 mod for sins of a solar empire rebellion, its super good
@@MichaeltheORIGINAL1 Live long and prosper, my friend ;)
I was always a big fan of the Elite Force games back in the day. They were fun! It would be interesting to see what a modern Star Trek FPS would look like!
Upgraded from my gtx 970 I got in 2017 to an rx 6600 xt back in November. I had no issues up to this week were whatever driver version i had would constantly crash my games. Updated the drivers again it was fixed. Not too big of an issue and having over 2x the performance of the 970 is great for 1080p 180hz gaming.
Great video. It's always interesting and educational to see a long form review of living and working with a product, rather than a week of benchmarking on release. I had to upgrade myself from the 3070 due to lack of VRAM. Lesson learn't for the future.
I am curious, did you choose the 6900XT because it lined up well fiscally with your 3070? I was just confused after your intro where you mention that you won't be reviewing old gear because that content already exists, I expected you'd be looking at the 7000's series.
There are many reasons why I love AMD, either for the price, vram etc etc, but I also like how in 6 years, because of their open sourceness someone like Nimez will probably create legacy drivers for the GPUs that will be way way cheaper than Nvidia cards for people on lowend budgets
Coming from the 5500xt i got in 2020, which after 1 week of use, sold it. The drivers, holy smokes, so bad. Now, the 6600 i have now, it's a beast. Been using their cpus since 2020, though. Their cpus rock. Now i have a amd gpu, rocks 10x harder.
Dont forget amd SAM@@x-TheTheo
RX 5000 series did indeed have bad drivers because it was a completely new architecture after a decade almost of using GCN. @@x-TheTheo
After using Nvidia for like 15 years what really blew me away was the Adrenaline software. It made Nvidia's software look like some ancient crap. And to think that a huge number of people don't even know what they are missing. I went with a discounted 6900 XT. I'd also like to point out how Radeon cards perform better in CPU limited conditions.
@@valentinvas6454Adrenalin is so good, it took me like 5 minutes to OC my 6650XT. I then spent about 5 hours tweaking it, lmao
I regret switching to an rx 6700xt because somehow it can't handle 8k hevc vr video, while my old rtx 2060 had no problem with that. Deovr has confirmed this is a problem from amd. But I got a used one for only about 150 bucks, so at least it was cheap.
HOLY SHIT ONLY 150 BUCKS. THATS SO CHEAP
@@flamingophone yeah you can get pretty good deals on the used market i got mine for about 190$ with box and everything powercolor red devil version about 6 months ago
ahem, can you point me toward those 8k hevc vr videos? i am ready.
@@yugdesiral Ehem... I can say that furry has always been the pioneers in technology. 👀 They've been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations recently. You can find them on google with those keywords.
@@yugdesiral About that, furry fandom has always been the pioneers in technology and has been experiencing 8k vr180 passthrough animations for a while now. I hope you can catch my drift. 👀
Excellent video! Very relatable and well presented.
great video! thanks for the content :)
I have never had that Death Stranding Vsync issue before, does adaptive sync help at all?
Yes, alas my capture card doesn’t work with it 🙁
FSR 3.1 just dropped btw
Does the amd 6000 series support the fsr 3.1 or only 7000 series?
@@marcozaghloul1888 yes all GPU's support FSR 3.1. Even Xbox is gonna support it.
@@DavidJonSpem What do you mean by "even Xbox"? It has an AMD GPU.
@@rockapartie Yes but an Xbox is not a PC so don't expect it to have all the same features as a desktop GPU. Upscaling on an Xbox I kinda get but FSR 3 also includes frame generation. It's kinda pointless to have frame generation on Xbox when TV's already have frame interpolation. Am I also not expecting Playstation to get FSR 3.1, just because it has an AMD GPU?
@@DavidJonSpem Oh, you wouldn't want to use frame interpolation of the TV. It's nice for videos (if you like that effect) where input latency is irrelevant, but most TVs have horrible input latency outside of their dedicated game mode. I kept dying and dying in Hotline Miami once (even more than usual ...) and guess what: Game mode was off 🙃
What I meant in terms of FSR was: Of course, developers can use it on Xbox and PS4, too, because it's open source and unlike DLSS not bound to any specific GPU (well, there are some features that work better on RDNA 3, but still). There are even Switch games that use FSR.
really good content
i'm full AMD since 2017 for the price / performance reason
rocking a 6700 xt atm but looking to upgrade as i have a 4k 120hz tv
amd also makes more sense in this case as i'd rather have more vram than better RT, at a lower price
RT is nice but only in a handful of games you see a big difference in image quality
FSR is getting closer to DLSS quality, frame gen is also a thing now with Fluid Frames
i'm quite amazed by those kind of "experiments" like it's special, i used ATI/AMD graphics and GPUs since the 3D rage pro from 1998 and never had a problem, ditched NV since the geforce 4ti4200 and never looked back, i'm still integrating NV's gpu's on the builds i do for customers, mostly for productivity/content creation but for 100% "gamers" , you'll get better bang for your bucks with a radeon most of the time...
22:02. That's why this is the only benchmark channel that i follow. You are realistic with your tests and opinions. Of course the 4090 is a better card, but i don't have the money to burn in a piece of plastic that's gonna run my games with better reflections. Great video !
Most “problems” people have are bc they don’t uninstall drivers before installing the new ones. Like the vast majority of problems
5600X + 6750 XT user here. Been using this setup for exactly a year now. I got back into PC gaming after 14 years of using an iMac so I can't comment on NVIDIA vs AMD. With that out of the way, I'm happy with both the CPU and GPU. Depending on the game I'm getting anywhere from 60fps+ to hundreds of fps at High, Ultra or a combination of the two. The 12GB of VRAM is plenty for modern games. That said, BIOS updates 1.2.0.A and 1.2.0.B took some fps away. For example, CP2077 used to run anywhere from high 60s-low 80s fps and now it's hovering around 60 fps in general gameplay. Control ran in the 60s at max settings RT Off pre BIOS update so I assume performance will drop into the 50s.
I recently bought the RX 6800; it was my first upgrade from the GTX 1660, and all I can say is that it feels like switching from the Skoda Fabia to the BMW 5 series. Very high performance and total quietude. The only "bad" side is its massiveness; I'm going to buy some support bracket to fix that.
Went from a 3070 to a 6800xt about 5 months ago, myself. I've got one thing to say to you: AMD Fluid Motion Frames.
I have no idea how it works, but it does. It's insane.
I tried it in more than a dozen games, but all the noise (flickering, ghosting etc.) it adds drives me crazy. Also, it always felt much less fluid than "real" frames, even when the base FPS were at 90ish, and 60 to 120 felt and looked worse than a locked 60 without FMF.
most of the "people" bitching about AMD gpus dont even own an Radeon card and fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck ray tracing
imagine buying the "best" GPU from AMD and not being able to run top tier games at max settings. Thats the reality. AMD fan boys will settle for mediocre performance and justify it with pathetic reasons like "value"
I switched from green to red back in the Kepler vs GCN days. Moved from SLI 660's (my attempt at a 2gb titan by adding Cuda cores😂) to an R9 290. Stuck with it through Vega 56 and now have a 6700XT in a Ryzen 5700G build running games on a 34 inch ultrawide (3440x1440). No issues at all, and have yet to find a game that taxes it to the point where I need to do much work on detail settings, as it sticks to 60+ fps on high or even ultra in many games :)
Going from my first own self purchased gpu, the Rtx 2070 to a 7900 GRE Has been game changer in regard to experiencing games now: I Cannot recommend it enough for a new video, especially after updating from a near 6 year old card.
I got an rx 6800 in November and I don't regret it, great purchase at a good price.
And here I am, still rocking my RX 570...will I change it maybe? But for now, still suits my needs. Gr8 vid, keep on delivering quality content like this. Don't even mind a deep dive to technicals if a script requires it.
RX560 pretty decent also, if its ROG(non evo) or some other good build
@@regisegek4675 Have an rx460 with unlocked bios (1024 unified), frm XFX, right now works great for 5 years in my wife PC.
Gtx 1650
just got a 7900xt after having a 3080 on lease from a friend after my 3060 fried itself, and even coming from a 3080 the 7900xt is a huge jump. im super happy with its performance and being a linux user its way more simple driver wise. looking forward to sticking with team red for a while!
Thank you for your honesty and frankness
I hope you consider getting a 5800X3D next for your personal rig. The X3D plus 6900XT combo is so smooth. My 1% lows went up greatly and in fortnite alone, they went from 120 to 170, which is only 50 fps away from my average fps of 230 (at 1440p btw)
I suppose it's an old video since Iceberg Tech is already using 7500F.
@@korosoid he could also not be using the 7500f since the lower core count could make his video editing worse.
@@steaksoldier 8700K ➡5600X ➡ 5700X ➡ 7500F
Why not get a 7800x3D.
@@mitchjames9350 The motherboard in his personal rig is AM4. Unless he wants to use AM5 for the build going forward, then the 5800X3D would be the best he can get.
My dude is playing on 60hz
What an great video ! It definitely related to my exprieince.
I came from a 1080ti (still a QHD G.O.A.T) and upgraded to a 7800xt. In the beginning it was an actual nightmare (BSOD's. black screens, having to clear CMOS etc). After a week of troubleshooting I coudln't narrow the problem down and I assumed it was just this specific card that was broken. I was still within my free return period so I decided to return the card. As I game in 4k I also found the 7800xt to be slightly underperforming so with my heart set out for team red I decided to upgrade to a 7900xt.
I played games and the performance was absolutely amazing but then to my absolute horror the same issues started happening again. I again had to take apart the PC, try diffrent GPU's to sanity check certain causes and try my best at fixing the probelems. I was DDU'ing my drivers on a daily basis for atleast a week. I had just spent €800 on a card that was only giving me issues left and right. And the worst part, all of my friends were taking every problem that I was encountering as an oppurtinity to shout; JUST GET AN RTX 4070ti!. "Just go back to team green".
Although certainly tempting to go back to Nvidea I felt like the moments where the card was working well the performance was simply unbeatable, especially by a 4070ti super. I play a lot of shooters so getting high FPS on a game whilst it also looking pretty is awesome. When seeing close to 110 FPS on Battlefield 2042 with the settings maxed out in 4k and freesync 144hz enabled it was just a stunning expirience. That made me determined to continue the troubleshooting.
As I was trying multiple fixes at once to speed up the process there are 2 possibilities of the fix that ended up working:
1. Uninstalling MSI Afterburner
2. Reinstalling my system chipset drivers (even though I was already on the latest one)
EIther way the fact of the matter is that this card is now working like an absolute champ. I have had 0 issues with it so far. My build is a "for looks" build with white parts and RGB lighting troughout the case and the white ASrock 7900xt just shines like a magnificent centrepeace.
Although it certainly didn't come easy I am very glad I kept trying with this card as in the end Nvidea just cannot achieve this performance at this price point.
Can recomend!
Afterburner rarely has issues with select games, but even then, you don't have to uninstall it. It doesn't do anything if it's not running.
@@rockapartie I had a very similar experience, just having MSI Afterburner installed with RX6800 caused stutter and sometimes short freezes. Just stopping Afterburner did not help, only deinstalling. Looking into the problem it seems to come from a driver Afterburner install to handle over/underclocking on the AMD card and to bypass the Radeon driver.
I must say, not looking back as to tune the card and undervolt it is much better with their included Adrenalin Software anyway.
@@DerIchBinDa I see, that makes a lot of sense! Thx for the info 👍🏻
Switched from a 1060 to an RX6600 about a year ago and so far, I have 0 complaints. I haven't had any problems with it. I played any game I wanted at medium-high at 60fps. Since I still have a 60hz monitor, more frames wouldn't help that much, so, at least for now, it's doing great work.
Hey Mr. Tech, have you seen the FSR 3.1 presentation? It looks very promising and very well could close the image quality gap between fsr and dlss! Also Frame gen being decoupled from fsr is also super cool imo :D
Yes, looks exciting. Can't come soon enough!
Radeon Chill can help you with tearing, enabling it will cap hardware side to give only demanded number of frames, which will aswell help with tearing
This and eyefinity are 2 things that Radeon nailed and Nvidia wasn't able to make work decently, tbh Radeon Chill can make your Haven benchmark output only 60fps, which was funny when i was testing things
built about a year and a half ago, making the switch then... so far I have ZERO regrets (only went with a 6650XT myself, but the previous rig was an RT 1660 so descent upgrade) no regrets so far.... toughest thing Ive run on it was Starship Troopers Extermination and at the time NO ONE got solid performance out of it.. its gotten a lot better though, not gonna lie.
And I will be pushing Helldivers 2 on it soon enough.... borther is on console and I want him to be able to join in the fun.
Switched from a 1070 to a 6800xt and more recently to a 7900xtx. Never looked back. But i am also un linux, so i am a bit biased when it comes to which gpu i want.
When I was on windows still with the 6800xt i was impressed with how the card aged like fine wine, getting better and better with driverupdates.
For the budget minded gamer nothing beats a one generation old AMD card, I have heard rumors of teething issues with new cards, but my options were RTX 3070 or RX 6800 when the time came for my last upgrade and I am very happy I went with the 6800, I have had zero issues and it runs anything I throw at it.
I'm waiting for AMD's next rdna gpu launch so I can snag a discounted 7900 xtx
That'll be Sweet..
@@Airbomb Mmmm, nothing better than a former flagship at a sweet discount!
I bought an amd gpu (rx 6650 xt) and experienced major issues even after doing DDU stuff and everything, I only managed to fix it by using the "minimal install driver only" install options on the driver installer and actually got the studio driver because the amd drivers were causing blue screens (definitely amd signed DLLs or other files were the causes, I checked the logs and minidumps) and were making my monitor freeze in place when using google chrome, word, blender, photoshop, darktable, lightroom... , 40% of the time not even a driver reset via the shortcut (ctrl-shift-b, I think) would work and I'd just have to turn off my pc using the power button. Going from a gtx 950 2gb which couldn't run davinci resolve at any frame rate to a gtx 1660 super which was amazing at it (1080p60 from a 2017 DSLR), going to an rx 6650 xt was definitely a downgrade (lagging just as you mentioned with any effects, color grading or even text and transitions, barely managed to complete my latest project on it, but it works now, I guess) and for 2.5x the cost it's disappointing, even though I mostly edit photo and not video, I still do it somewhat often. My Blender performance also decreased and the app would just shut down randomly without an error message exactly like in that other guy's video that you mentioned (I got really scared when I found out that was a common issue a few months ago, though it fixed itself with the studio driver), another thing that fixed itself was the google chrome and word issues, word would have flickering text issues and I was struggling so much while writing my 10 page essay about opossums (lol, don't know why that's funny) that I actually learnt LaTeX even though I had a 3 day deadline, that's probably the only other good thing besides the increased gaming performance as I now use LaTeX for everything from physics to math to random ass projects I do that involve equations, I even used LaTeX for my German homework... no game ever crashed though, they all work flawlessly except cs2 on release which was dogshit, it still runs under 90 fps most of the time, but that might be because of my weak old ryzen 5 2600 CPU, but performance this low? going from 260 fps in csgo on a dirty old gtx 950 with the i7 2600 and 300 fps with the ryzen 5 to this sussy mess where it drops below 50 was a definite slap in the face from valve. Not gonna say AMD is trash, not that I had any problems gaming, it was just really shitty for my very mixed "programming, photography, videography, physics, math, random school stuff, 3d rendering" workflow... Also, I experienced crashes in premiere pro and photoshop when clicking on the "pop up buttons that bring up those tutorial menus", though I don't use adobe software anymore (I got a free 1 month sub so I tried the apps, I had prior experience using 2015 versions back in 2019 on an athlon II X2 220 and they were fine, I don't like the new version though, they kind of look like phone apps lol, really unprofessional and cheap, way too hard to use as well). Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to share my experience with AMD.
Trust me it's your 2600. I had a 2700 non-x paired with a 2060super, and doing normal things felt like glue after a month of two of a fresh windows install. I upgraded to a 5600 on the same motherboard with a new bios and practically doubled my frames in cpu limited scenarios. CSGO went from 150 fps to 500-600 fps (before cs2 came out). Windows haven't slowed down ever, it's been 2 years since I dropped in the 5600 with a new windows install.
Hopefully your experience doesn't discouraging from supporting good competition. There's a reason why Ryzen CPUs occupy 7 out of top 10 sellers on Amazon, and have woken up Intel to compete in the past few years. Yes, Intel and Nvidia have this mindshare that they're stable and reliable, but nothing is 100% unbreakable right?
@@Salty_Nutella I'm not really in the mood for an upgrade as I'll likely be needing a laptop in about 12 months for university. Though the ryzen 5 2600 has been great in csgo running at well above 250 fps all the time, it has been underperforming in cs2. That may be true, but all my other very shitty experiences are 100% GPU related as I've gotten better performance with a gtx 950 in some cases which is around 5x weaker I believe.
Very atypical hardware matchup paired with really atypical software
appreciate that your channel is more grounded in financial reality for most people. i splurged on a 4080 recently, but my financial situation has greatly improved over the last couple years and just a few years ago I would never dream of spending 1k US on a gpu. And so many of the other tech channels are focused on the newest stuff which is just bonkers in terms of price:performance and overall value proposition.
been watching you for quite a long time no idea why I've never subscribed before
Still rocking my RTX 3060 Ti, but next card, I'm going back to amd, RX 8000 series
why?
Why?
Why not ?
Nah DLSS is really good to give up. I run 3060 ti also but thinking 4070 super or waiting 5000 series
The quality of your videos is superb
Yup. My only gripe is that music inserts tend to be _jarringly_ loud when he's not speaking, like what happens a couple seconds after 15:05
I'm running a 7900X / 7900XTX in 4k on a 32" Samsung Odyssey Neo G7. I've been playing games in 4k for about 6 years now, moving from the RTX 2080 (upgrading from a GTX 1070 in 1440p), up to the 3080 Ti, up to the 7900XTX. In my opinion, getting the best possible visuals in 4k has nothing to do with RT being on (with the major exception being Cyberpunk). It usually has everything to do with whether or not you can run the game in native 4k res. (Also by wasting a lot of money upgrading your GPU every gen.) This means disabling upscaling supersampling tech like FSR/DLSS/XeSS. I can do this with the 7900XTX in everything I play, and it's why I love it.
I don't like FSR, DLSS, or XeSS as I find everything looks a little blurry and feels a little more sluggish regardless of which one you are using. (This is less of a problem in lower resolutions where objects don't look as sharp due to the lower res.) The blurriness tends to get A LOT worse as the polygons get further away from you: looking at objects like trees, mountains, animals, etc., look blurrier the further away they are with supersampling enabled. This is something you can't really experience watching YT reviews, and it's something that only became completely clear to me once I was able to stop using supersampling with the 7900XTX. Even if you have to lower your settings to to high or medium, native 4k looks better than ultra quality with supersampling enabled.
EDIT: Also, Adrenalin is so much better than GeForce Experience that it boggles the mind that NVIDIA took so long to create a new software solution.
planning on upgrading this year from a r5 2600 + 2060 to something like a 5700x + 7800xt (mainly cus AM4). This video has been very insightful for my upgrade plans. since i saw game clips using the 5700x
20:48 is the exact reason why Nvidia has been able to charge whatever they like for their underperforming cards. If someone gave me a free 4090 TI, I'd sell it to another sucker. I had only 4 major issues with my 3 years of using AMD RX 6600. I worked around 2 of them by downgrading the driver until the next update fixed it. One was Windows automatically updating my GPU drivers for some reason, and the last one seems to be an anomaly with my specific card, where Square Enix's GotG runs horribly. I also play all my single-player games on Linux and never had to even worry about a single issue, other than how to overclock my card like I do in Windows... and also GotG running horribly (which is why I think it's an anomaly).
Nvidia has completely sold most of the average and the rich gamers on the idea of RTX, frame-gen, etc. This is like believing that you have a chance of having a relationship with an Instagram model that you have crush on, only to end up being the camera operator and a tool to enhance their public perception, just like Nvidia has become one of the highest valued companies.
Say what you want about AMD and Intel, they have done more for benefitting the entirety of the consumer computers by publishing open-source firmwares and drivers, and being much cheaper with performance beyond acceptable for the price. I praise and curse them wherever they deserve. I'm able to see which of their actions are beneficial to everyone in the long-term and/or the consumers as a whole, and I hope more people are able to do so too.
My first pc was with already used gpu, later my brother changed that gpu to rx 480 4gb (idk if it was used or not) but that pc worked almost 7 years for me(i mainly played competitive/fps games) of course with some issues. Now after it got completely dead amd unusable im planing to build a pc for the first time by my own. Would you recommend rx 6600?
@@fubkegt4964 I have no issues in recommending the RX 6600, just make sure to turn off the automatic driver updates from Windows because it will automatically download and update the GPU drivers to something older than what AMD offers. The Windows drivers lack the latest features and conflicts with the Radeon Software. I don't know why Windows does this.
However, RX 6600 is from an older generation at this point. So do the usual research for the GPU that fits your needs for the budget you have.
I think game developers are the ones who re pushing RT not really NVIDIA but nevertheless...
Anyway, let's say you play on 4k and you want the best out there to keep things maxed out ...
What other choices do you have besides 4090 ?
In my opinion (and I had a bunch of cards in my life ), 4090 is a league on its own.
And for the price of it, you can partially also thank to AMD for that for not having a competitive card to 4090...and giving more reasons to NVIDIA to charge it as much as they want.
@@Need4FPS I'm a reasonable person, I don't see the point in gaming at 4K. And my point still stands for it -- those who want that are being exploited because they can't get 4K out of their head. Those who have the money, don't care about the price.
AMD knows that most of their customers are the ones who don't want or can't afford Nvidia's prices, so they don't even bother aiming to compete against 4090.
4090 is a luxary product, like a sports car. Nobody needs that much performance, no matter how much they might say it, they just want it, for graphics flexing.@@aaronplays_
Not using DDU is I think the biggest problem for those that complain about AMD drivers.
I switched to my 6800XT when it came out and have found it to be a great card, stable and performing well so far. Did it because at the time the GPU prices were still high and this was far cheaper vs the nVidia equivilant at the time. I also preferred to go with a card that did not require an account to download updates.
This channel is underrated.
Great video, detailed explanation, nicely done.
I am moving from Intel and nVidia to AMD/ATI platform for the 1st time in my life, although there was a 6 months period when I was playing with two R9 270 ATI card in CrossFire mode.
Have no money to invest in 4090/4080 or 7900 XTX GPUs, therefore I made conclusion that best value for money (at this moment and for my wallet) is combination of 7800x3d & 7800 XT CPU-GPU combo.
P.S. keep up the good work!
my RX 5700 still powerfull..
6:52 Not the gpus fault here. Only using 180w clearly shows a cpu and overall game optimization problem.
I Definitely would think its the games fault, the cpu is below 20% and the gpu is pegged at 99%
It's the game... Try to play with a 120hz monitor with the game set to 60hz, and it runs like ass, but set the monitor to 60hz also and it runs significantly better with far few stutters...
definitely not cpu problem, its a gpu issue, you wouldnt see that with rtx 3070
bought a 6750xt and i absolutely love it, its my first pc build and have only encountered an issue so far with warzone but fixed it with one change in the sotware settings, it runs all esport titles at over 150 fps 1440p mid settings, and title like hogwarts legacy look stunning on it
Ever since my first pc build I have always went with Radeon gpus and I have never had an issue. Planning to do the same on my next build I plan the end of this year.
do not continue making this! make betr! hav great vids! wp
How many times are you going to switch to AMD
Good work sir,
Keep it up.
Hey first time watching your channel . Your next move needs to involve VRR and maybe a faster CPU like the 5800x3d in your Am4 platform. You will be smooth and get more benefit from that GPU. Good luck with the channel.
If money was unlimited, I might buy a 4090, but just as likely, I'd spend half as much on a 7900 XTX, it's half the price and more than half the performance. I have serious issues with how Nvidia is currently treating the gaming public and their refusal to give us decent VRAM and memory buses for the tier of GPU. If they want to charge these high prices, they have very little excuse to cut bus width and not increase VRAM so current gen GPUs can run current gen games at high or better settings.
I couldn't agree more
They have no incetive to change this as gamers buy Nvidia overwhelmingly and always have, presumably they always will too so this won't change in the future either.
@@TheUAProdigy I wouldn't be surprised if them dropping to 80% market share still wasn't enough, but I hope they see that as a reason to start course correcting, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yep, many seem to think most expensive = most best, without any consideration of what they want to use the card for and if the features offered are of actual benefit to them.
I guess most don't want to think about it too much and see Nvidia as a safe bet.
@@stratuvarious8547 I wouldn't hold my breath because they are dominating the AI chip space. I truly don't think they care about gaming much anymore.