Why is it always us the consumers have to recycle and fix whatever the problem is? Why not corporations ever recycle their old stuff and fix their new items prices?
I got a used 1060 3GB for 40$ in 2019. And it's been what ive been using after i sold my 1070 in the hype for the 30 series card. And now ive been outpriced in getting an upgrade. But my 1060 3GB keeps me happy
Used market in the UK usually sucks. I had a browse around when I was looking for my new GPU and the prices of used cards was usually very little different than buying new, sometimes even more expensive that new. I ended up going with a new XFX 6750 XT from Ebuyer which was £300. Same GPU is on sale on their eBay store right now with a 15% code and works out at £288. Unreal GPU for the price.
If you are good at adjusting your Vega 64, I have gotten maximum FPS at 950mW, 1400mHz core, and 1100mhz memory. Total power consumption was 135 watts.
im still running on gtx 1060 6GB, its at the end of its life cycle, AAA games low details are fine, esports games like league , fortnite run fine with 144hz
had a pause around 37:53, i never heard an english person use the word "mark" to refer to brands, which part of england are you from? im learning german and the word for brand is "mark" too, did you by any chance learn german before?
This must have taken *ages* to put together but what a comprehensive guide this is. This should be required viewing for punters looking to assemble a low cost but capable rig for 2024. I'm glad you touched on the lack of a upgrade path for Zen 3, when I put my current rig together that was the final piece that made me choose Zen 4.
Thing is zen 3 would still be good 3 years later esp the 5700x3d and 5800x3d. By then it would be a better upgrade path. Even building from scratch zen3 still offers the best value for budget gamers
@@ghamsterroff6215 True but I was coming from another dead-end tech (7th gen Kaby Lake) and since I only upgrade every 5 years or so I thought Zen 4 was a better choice. You're right though, Zen 3 still has a lot of legs left.
Still using a 1070Ti from 2018 paired with a r5 5600 and a second machine with 1070 with r5 2600 and Im more than happy with the performance. Considering a second hand 2080Ti soon :)
where are looking for your used GPUs? I've found Ebay still overvalues 2000 series cards (over 200 a lot of the time) so I'm looking to snag a 3070 for sub 300 or a 3080 around 300 as they sometimes end bidding there from high feedback sellers.
Im looking at local second hand market in my country and prices are yes 2080's for around 230 usd and 3070's for 330usd wich is not cheap but what can you do gpu market sucks, gonna use my 10 series a little longer.
@@Kasev309 Ya i'm looking now so I can try and snag one of the underpriced deals, specifically a $300 3080. My 1070 will hang on until then. If my state wasn't a complete shitshow for computers I'd be looking local. But everyone is only sell complete systems,some are good price but not worth parting out to get the rest of the money back.
Fantastic round-up! The used market can be intimidating but this was really eye opening to understand the intricacies of what's worth and what to avoid. Thank you for a great year of content; looking forward to next year!
One point I would throw in the Vega 64/56's favour in regard to PSU cost; is the build quality of those cards is mostly excellent, reference cards use top tier VRM and plenty of premium capacitors. AMD lost money on every card. So a Vega 64 is quite happy with a 650watt powesupply of somewhat ok quality and 550watt of decent quality, where as a 3070; despite pulling less power, is more prone to transient spike shutdowns/stability issues like for like. Vega's were hungry for their time, but no where near as temperamental about PSU wattage/quality as modern cards.
It's widely believed that Nvidia used a smear campaign to try and keep AMD competition "out of the game" Trust No-one esp. Nvidia fanbois, Nbots are Nbought probably😂
@@johncollins5552 the problem is...AMD need to stop trying to do a 7600XT. Stuffing 16GB of ram on a 7600 and expect people to crank up settings but with the same raster of 7600? They literally follow Nvidia's already questionable 4060ti 16gb thing, yet you will defend them like old dogs, because "underdog nuh uh"
@baoquoc3710 4060ti 16gb would have been amazing if it didn't release at the same price as the 7800XT lol. The point of both are to be cards with long legs, that you can run in 2028 and not feel the urgent need to upgrade as 1080p gets phased out. The issue with the 4060ti is that the used price in a few years will be double the used price of the 7600XT and it will be competing with future low end cards with 16gb of VRAM that will inevitably be cheaper.
The transient power spike issues have been greatly improved on RDNA3 and Ada. It's the 30-series that is really bad and RDNA 2 series which is somehow worse.
Consider this as a humble New Year gift! Awesome video as always and keep them coming! Also i would like to recommend a couple of extra games for the next benchmark rounds that maybe would be a bit interesting those are Deep Rock Galactic, Rust and The Finals. Happy new year Iceberg!
Kudos for going all the way back to Terascale! Still using it in my laptop in 2024, though it definitely won't start too many games anymore these days. Not only are Dx12 and Vulkan entirely unsupported, but OpenGL support is sketchy to say the least as well. Even OpenGL 4.5 games, which should run, often don't. GCN 1, while still mostly obsolete these days, is MUCH more usable
@@Eleganttf2 Thanks, but dw, I've also got a fairly capable desktop for gaming ;). I just generally can't run the same games on my laptop (though I've found it can be better for old games in some cases)
That machine still probably SLAYS Kotor lol. If you are into star wars it's a great game. Even if you aren't "into" Star wars it can still be enjoyed just as much as long as you aren''t someone who can't stand it. It takes place 4000 years before the movies so it is extremely detached from them @@SterkeYerke5555
@@SterkeYerke5555I had a kabini AMD a6 5200, which I believe was gcn 1, could have been 2? R3 graphics, I played BF4 on that thing, at about 30 fps low. But older games ran great, even saints row the third nfs mw ug2 and carbon.
@@SkylineFinesse Should be GCN 2 from what I'm seeing. Probably pretty decent considering the cpu it's paired to. I'm surprised NFS Carbon ran well though. Even on my 6770M it runs, well, fine I guess, but surely not perfectly. That 6770M was somewhat high-end for a laptop only two years before your A6 was introduced. I'm running it at 1920x1200 at medium to high settings though, with some mods to make the game a bit more modern. Guess I can't complain
You're such a gifted writer and presenter. And you somehow managed to wrestle over a decade's worth of hardware down to about 42ish minutes, keep it entertaining, keep it informative, and of high quality. Perhaps wrestle is the wrong term, as it's probably more some type of verbal judo you're using. Anyway, great job!
Good video. Remember to have fun with whatever hardware you have, there are no doubt many games that you've never played that will work on the older hardware you have. I was recently at a family rural vacation property when the weather was very bad outside. I played Batman: Arkham Asylum on a SFF pc that has an i5 2500s and 720gt. Around 10yr old hardware, I turned the settings down and overclocked the card a little and had a lot of fun.
hell yeah. I think I'm actually having more fun replaying older games on my i5-6300 ThinkPad (with no discrete graphics!) than playing fresh releases on my main rig. Part of the fun comes from actually running the games on (relatively) weaker hardware.
Incompatibility of old games is very annoying. When i changed pc, i couldn't play half of my retro shooters, like Unreal Tournament, Gore, Soldier of Fortune etc. they just wouldn't run on the new machine 😢
I just bought a Vega 56, specifically the Powercolor Vega 56 Nano version and one of my deciding factor is watching your Vega 56 retrospective. The end of mining craze really dropped the price hard and fortunately mine is only used for gaming. In my experience my Vega 56 is still a viable 1080p budget option considering I got it for $70. Mine has only the 8 pin though which limits the power draw to a mere 150W which surprisingly doesn't really hurt the card that much aside from some mediocre overclocking result. I upgraded it from an RX 570 and I think while my new card might not get the proper support, the modded driver might still help the card to be usable for years to come.
Very nice! I upgraded in a very similar way. I needed a GPU for a project and was interested in Vega because of its architecture. So I replaced my RX 580 Strix with a Vega 64 Nitro+ for 100 bucks. About 50% faster, really shines with undervolting. Stock 240w, around 950mV and 1600MHz and 1100MHz HBM 130-170w in games,
If you haven't tried it recently then you should really give Linux gaming a try. GCN GPUs (even GCN 1) are still officially fully supported by the open source AMDGPU drivers and given the track record of support for older hardware on Linux that's unlikely to change any time soon. Gaming on Linux has improved massively over the past few years in large part thanks to Valve's Proton compatibility layer which makes it possible to run many Windows-only games by just clicking the play button in the Steam client.
@@electricindigoball1244 I was about to comment this. The driver support issue only applies to Windows, Linux provides support to graphics cards for effectively indefinitely. My HD 7950 was recieving MESA updates when I was still using it a few months ago, until its 3GB VRAM became completely insufficient and I copped a $50 RX580 8GB. It was also significantly faster than when I used it on Windows, thanks to both the drivers being excellent and Linux's super low overhead, despite running under wine/proton.
Ever since my friend introduced me to the used market I’ve been addicted to buying tech for me and my friends. My rig would usually cost 3000 but cost me 1600. Good vid, Iceberg, happy new year!
You and me both. I just left a comment above about that very topic. RUclips removed it, which is strange because I did not say anything bad at all... lol
have you considered using linux to test out RT on older radeon cards? on vega cards its surprisingly more performant than it would be on a pascal card. i imagine an rdna 1 card would be even better. its all software emulated so even a 580 would work ...to your dismay.
In yesterday's morning i picked up a used 12G RTX 3060 for 225 euro, bit overpaid but the seller delivered the gpu to me, so its a fair deal to me. Few years ago i was with a GT710, then to an RX560, and now moving up from a 3G 1060. The 1060 will go down to my little brother's pc, i got him the pc in december, got a monitor and a new mouse too, and next time i arrive back home, he too will have a potent pc. Enough to play fortnite, cod zombies and some other games together. Finally we both will have gaming pcs, not the best, but we had to play the same xbox 360 for 7 years straight.
Good god, and the alleged "1060" 3gb eas the SECOND upgrade even, protip the 3gb isn't the same as 1060 6gb it's actually cut down in the same way their newer bullshit is called something better than it is, 3040? 4040? I forget anyway, at that point you'd be better off just getting a 6600xt, or a used 5700xt. Or 1080ti. It's really not much money at all, hell you could work for Best Buy or Walmart or something and make enough to afford a used 5700XT in a day or two's wages which is amazing.
@@drek9k2 I'm aware of the better value that AMD cards offer, I did have 6600XT as my possible alternative, but after the RX560 I did not want another AMD card, it was crashing WAY too much for me. Either my system did not like it or I had a bad sample of it. Regardless I am happy with my 3060, performance is great, fits well in my small case too. I chose it just purely by preference. I was also aware of the 3G 1060 being a cut down of the 6G model, it was back in the "Scalper pandemic" and simply wanted to get rid of the 560 ASAP. All is good now B)
Recently bought one of those LGA 1150 Xeons (E3-1271V3) for ~$30USD to upgrade my old i5 4570/R9 290 build. Looking forward to installing and benchmarking it to see how much more performance I can squeeze out of that surprisingly still capable machine!
This has become one of my favourite tech channels on RUclips. The sheer consistency in quality of uploads is a rare thing that makes Iceberg Tech a gem. Keep at it bro :)
Vega still gets driver support they are just on a separate branch so they're not getting as many updates and not the same feature updates. It's wrong that support is dropped. Older AMD cards will also be well supported on linux for many years due to the open source RADV driversunlike older nividia
Last gpu I bought new was the HD 4870, wich I was very happy with. Since then I got lucky with every used pc part and sometimes I made money out of it when selling.
Fun fact: old graphics cards are better supported on Linux, since graphics drivers are basically never removed. My Terascale 3 iGPU still works with the latest drivers. Even GCN 4 (RX 4xx and RX 5xx) is basically guaranteed to stay supproted for at least the next decade, and so will Turing GPUs with the new nvidia open source driver
What a way to start 2024. Appreciate these informative videos. They help a lot in understanding and figuring out what could be considered the "minimum" for entry level budget gaming. Thanks for doing some honest work. Cheers!!
I'm somewhere in Africa where there's no gpu market. Aliexpress shipping costs are way too much. For building my 1st PC, i had to settle to using a freight forwarder by getting 580 8gb 2048 from ebay and it was expensive af, but it's been so worth it. Unfortunately such is the price of being where i live that i pay nearly double what a gpu is worth.
The only used PC components I've bought were graphics cards: a couple of 980Ti cards and an R9-290. Yeah, it's been a while. All three were in basically new condition, even the boxes. These days, I'd be more hesitant.
I bought a 3070 in April in 2023 and I struggled so much trying to repair it and going to a bunch of repair shops with it... ended up reselling it as "broken", personally I'm never buying gpus second hand again
Imo, it is best to go only as far back as 2 gen of the current gpu gen if you're gaming. The performance wouldn't be that far off and some gen would support modern/recent gaming features.
Thank you for this type of content. Bought 1080 TI for 160$ recently, because saw your video about it. I was considering Rx 5700, before saw your content and video about 1080 TI .
I will say in my market (Near Seattle) the 1060 6GB is averaging $60-$80, but the 1080 (Non TI) is selling for $80 to $100, and finding a 1080 at $80 is easier that a 1060 6GB at $60, so the 1080 is a no brainer for the 10 series here. oddly the 1070 seems to average around $100, maybe because owners who didn't bother spending the extra for the 1080, are less grounded about the value loss these older cards have experienced. I currently use an RX 7900 XT i got for $400 when the previous owner decided he needed the RX 7900 XTX. The used market here in Seattle is fantastic.
I bought a GTX 980 used (eVGA Superclock or whatever it is called). I bought it 2 or 3 years ago. I've never used it. The drivers are terrible for those cards. I swapped it for a Vega 56 by Powercolor (Red Devil). AMDs drivers are much better overall when using used cards. This isn't in my main rig, it was for a "retro" rig... well period correct PC. In fact all of my period correct PCs run ATi or AMD (I also have quite a few 3Dfx ones). nVIDIA just, well, destroys the performance of their older cards with driver updates so trying to find a driver that works with all of the games is hard. Best to just get ATi/AMD instead. I recently put together a Radeon HD 4850 X2 based rig with a Phenom II X6 1075T CPU running Windows Vista x64 Ultimate. I also built up a Pentium IV 3.2GHz Northwood with a Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB system that also has a Quantum Obsidian X24 24MB (dual Voodoo2 12MB) card in it for Glide games running Windows XP Pro. As for AM4, it's probably the best platform ever. I can't think of a platform (and I'm 43 years old and have been in tech since I was around 9 or 10) that is better than AM4. Maybe the Socket 7 or Super Socket 7 platform from back in the day but other than that, AM4 is king in that regard. It lasted a very long time, supports an enormous number of CPUs and can even dabble in X3D. It's amazing. I hope AMD keeps this up with AM5.
Really like the way you've explained recent hardware in the used market - a brilliant video for those who aren't particularly versed in the PC hardware. Personally I'd draw the line at Turing and RDNA1 (5700xt) for GPUs and 2nd gen 2600x /8700k if you want a decent experience for this gen's games . Playing older games can really help in terms of needing older hardware.
@@Vfl666 Yes, and not all of them perform badly if you adjust the settings, and not everyone plays all these games. In the end, if depending on your needs, budget, and abilities, you can still do a massive amount of things with the 580 and 5700 XT. If you disagree, you should be rioting about cards like the 3070 Ti, which aged terribly, as they barely perform better than the others due to VRAM, instead of cards that are actually great and aged great, especially for the prices
I was considering two routes - procuring a laptop with Quadro M2000, or trying to get a desktop Optiplex with i5-3450 and pair it with a 1650 Super. Both would be used. Perhaps neither will last very long without modern driver updates.
Im addicted to the used market. Buy, build, resell. Rinse and repeat. I loved testing older hardware and finding new uses for it. I modded a bunch of Tesla cards and turned them into Titans and just gave them away to people who did not have a GPU during the scam-demic.
Speaking about drivers. I remember NVIDIA bragging a while ago on Twitter, when AMD announced that Polaris & Vega driver support stops, and NVIDIA bragging, that Maxwell GPUs still get driver support. When I used to have a PC still (RIP...), I had the Maxwell GTX 745, and this card was beyond terrible. Sure it has driver support, but the raw performance is so bad that it doesn't matter. On top of that, the card is noisy as hell under 100% load and can go beyond 90°c, while still giving very terrible performance. On top of that, most Dx12 titles won't work because it lacks the two latest feature sets, and from my understanding the HP GTX 745 GPU that I had, was likely also the lowest performing GTX 745. Oftentimes modern games on 1080p medium settings (without any RT), you'd get 15 fps average or even lower than that. Terrible argument from NVIDIA, unless you have a GTX 980 Ti at least. Also I don't know why, but I had a few times the feeling that modern NVIDIA drivers on the GTX 745 sometimes slowed games down (typically older games, that are several years old), and older drivers felt faster sometimes, which made me wonder whether NVIDIA actually optimizes such really old cards at all
games relying on larger VRAM and performance features is exactly why games are so shit right now we are shoving so much data down a limited pipeline in such a way that we are pushing the limit, so that if you use a smaller pipeline, you simply cannot keep up not only do people with the better systems suffer not being able to have their good performance AND great visuals, but lower-end systems simply cannot run some of these games outright usually, it just ends up that the greedy companies get greedier, and the consumer suffers needing to pay more and more and more for less and less and less
Vega is not dead for drivers it’s still receiving new drivers it’s just they won’t be released in the primary cycle at same time as RDNA they’ll be a bit slower on the secondary cycle.
Thank you for the video mate. If you are looking for, Cheap CPU/Ram upgrades for your system look into old workstations. I needed a i7 and ram for my 2X gen 6/7 Intel. As you stated, $300+ in used parts for both systems. Bought 2 i7 32GB Ram w/SSD Dell workstations. for $150 each & Swapped parts. Resold the dells for $75 each. For $150 I upgraded 2 systems from Pent Duel core 8GB Ram Boot Hard Drive, to i7 32GB Boot Nvme SSDs! You just need to know where and how to hunt for deals! Take it Easy
Gs. (Btw, if you wanna possibly get samples from companies just putting a business email on the channel is an easy thing to do. You could reach out specifically to companies, but that takes a long time and I don’t do it either. Hope this helps my dude)
Thanks bud Yeah, I get some companies emailing me, mostly mini PCs so far (as well as the usual VPNs, USB chargers and crypto scams I assume we all get hounded by) I actually had an email from one of the salvage GPU brands, but I didn't like their terms. I think they basically wanted me to make an ad.
Ive never had a Radeon Card die on me and never heard of a Radeon Card dying from natural circumstances from anyone iknow. only Overclocking that a friend did killed a Radeon 480.
I've been watching the used market closely, and it seems they're starting to go back up in price. I'm not sure if it has something to do with the BTC value surge, but I very much hope not. There's sentiment that GPU prices are going to go up in 2024, especially on the used market.
built my gf a budget pc. R5 1600, 16gb ddr4, gtx 980, 512gb ssd, older 700w psu. All that for like 130€ and the coolest thing is the clear upgrade path
I got a used RTX 2070 for about $180 USD. Zero regrets, it's a great card, runs whatever just fine 1080p ultra with 60+ fps. I also intend to get into VR, which should run off a 2070. It was the best price to performance I could find pretty much in the mess that is the GPU market.
@@greatwavefan397 Absolutely! I imagine both the RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti are good options. I think they have similar, if not better performance than a 2070. A 2070 is probably cheaper on the used market, hence why I picked that over a 30xx card. My 2070 performs amazingly and I will probably keep it around for a few years. When/if it starts to falter in 1080p, I can just enable DLSS for free extra frames
@@evedoingthingsaaaaa The 30 series cards have AV1 decode-which can save bandwidth when streaming-ReBAR support, and lower power consumption, but if I'm upgrading from a GTX 1650 Max-Q, either the 20 or 30 series will likely be a fantastic performance boost.
funnily enough, I shot an amazing deal on a 12100F and accompanying B660 ITX Motherboard, both used for around 80€ each. This was before 14th gen was even announced. Yeah, Its a Biostar motherboard, but they are quite competent these days. Its still DDR4, but at the time that was the only reason for me to buy these, since DDR5 was still way too expensive.
that's really cool, I actually got a 12100F and a Z690 ITX for a bit more each! it's for a computer in a suitcase that me and my band call the "music box"
@@tollertup that's a good idea, the Thermaltake Core V1 is cheap but not too stylish (it's basically a cube.) as for stylish cheaper cases there's always the Phanteks P200A which is like $40 and pretty decent looking. hope you find something great
My daily driver is currently an 11th-gen i5/GTX 1650 laptop; I'm better off keeping it instead of building a brand new PC unless I can sell it and buy another laptop with the modern specs I want. If AVX-512 for PS3 emulation and AV1 encode/decode didn't matter to me, I'd honestly pair an i7-5775c with an RTX 2070 for modern gaming, and an i7-4790S/GTX 960 for retro/CRT gaming.
This is a good reminder of how all tech is now designed with specific and deliberate obsolescence. Wall-E is very much on the cards of reality. And you did oh so well until the last few seconds of the video, where you just couldn't resist bringing the tone down to a needless level.
I buy alot of cards for custom builds I do for customers and iv switched from nvidia to AMD when it comes to used I have been getting alot of 6700xt or 6600 cards as they are a good middle ground for low cost gaming the 6700xt gives you some nice vram buffer for those newer games and the 6600 is great for people that don't mind lowering settings a bit . I didn't even realise I had done it I just followed the prices and AMD if you get a good one is hard to beat
thanks to this video i decided on a used 2080 super instead of a brand new 3060. price wise these are literally identical in poland, but 2080s averages 20fps more compared to 3060. seems like a great deal to me
The sourceforge page says there have been updates as recent as a few weeks ago. I had never heard of these before and couldn't tell what he was saying an no link or mention in the description. Glad someone in the comments actually named the 3rd party Radeon drivers!
Iceberg super cool video. This was a creative way to start 2024! I’ve watched your content through 2023 and find it super relevant for my use case, being a non-top tier hardware user. Plenty of deals to be had on the used market.
If you're just starting out in PC gaming, you'll want at least 1) a 6-core CPU from 2018 or later, 2) 16 GB of fast RAM, and 3) an 8GB graphics card that supports both ray tracing and mesh shading. Anything less than this will require too many compromises in recent and upcoming games, and you'd be better off just buying a console to play games on.
@@greatwavefan397 Yes, it's a new geometry vertex culling technology that is already required to play one game (Alan Wake 2) and will be required to play more games in the future. You really don't want to buy a GPU today unless it supports mesh shading. If you try to play one of these games on a GPU that doesn't support mesh shading, you'll lose more than half your frame rate.
A go-to combo for me nowadays is a Ryzen 5 3600 + RTX 3060/RX 6600xt. AM4 motherboards have gotten cheap and plentiful, and allows an upgrade path to a 5800x3D later down the line which is just a beast. I will say though if you're just playing eSports type games, you can definitely get away with lesser specs as a starter PC.
They want to make games so ridiculous to run that you end up buying their cloud gaming services. Hell, the 4090 can't even do stable 60fps on alan wake 2. Wtf.
The RX 5700 XT is currently the king of used graphics. Because of the price, age and performance. And it is x16 card. Which means a lot if you use older processors such as the i5-4460.
Cannot agree with 700 series and below cards been considered "dead". I've put together machines literally for free with these old component and they can do just fine in plenty of esports titles.
I mean, free is free but hes comparing used prices. You can often get 9 series for the same price as a 7 series making the 7's dead for PURCHASE. I found a 2700k and it plays nicely with a 780ti. Great for my brother to start off but I wouldn't buy it.
This man made a video where he indirectly says "no" for 10 minutes. Then proceeds to recommend the 1080ti over a vega64 when these cards perform extremely similarly. Yes, the vega64 perform extremely close to the 1080ti. Yes, the Wattage is a bit higher, but you show how naïve you are there. The GPU driver work on the CPU instead of the GPU for Nvidia cards; the extra wattage is off-set to the CPU via how it process draw-calls instead. This is extreeeeeemely old knowledge, i learned this over 5 years ago so far. And it was why Nvidia praised AMD's re-entry with their ZEN architecture. The new good core system let Nvidia's driver flex it's wings even more. Ironically boosting their competitors performance and sabotaging their own competitive edge. But it was for the sake of being the better competitor, inevitable. Lastly, most people just use the Radeon Chill feature or undervolt their AMD cards a tiny bit and suddenly your wattage is absurdly much lower. And in some stability-cases where the silicone is even better, your undervolt actually yield you an equal or higher performance roof. Why? It's in stability, and it's uniquely annoying nature. LASTLY. AMD was desperate at the release of the Vega64, to compete with Nvidia. Let's ignore all of the outright blatantly EVIL things Nvidia has pulled routinely. Again and again, VS their industry partners, even. And not just their normal competition like AMD. Let's ignore Nvidia, the shit-heel of the big-tech industry. And let's instead look at where AMD was at. AMD almost went extinct. If that had happened, your current nvidia and Intel processor would be a laughable joke today. Because the competition didn't push the opponent. AMD knew that everything was at stake, even their own existence. Having Jim Keller do the core-work of the entire company, and transforming it into one of the best tech companies on earth, speaks volumes not just of AMD and what they could accomplish on their own! But also in how insanely blatantly absurdly gifted Jim Keller is as a man. It's just insane. AMD got 1 last high-money deal, and 1 end-game-level mastermind to resurrect their company. And it worked. All that was at stake. All of it. So AMD had to push their Zen as hard as possible. And their RX590 cards, and the Vega64 watercooled edition along with pushing the normal 64 versions a bit too hard. While seemingly a mistake, they made up for it with very intelligent features later on. The sole reason for why i am not running my older Vega64 today, is due to how Tarkov runs like a steamroller in mud on it. And i figured that i'd leave you this comment to inform you on the deeper core-nature of how things truly are with the GPU landscape. And if you wonder, it was me and like 2-3 other dudes that discussed e-cores on the amd subreddit in 2016. For all you know, it was us that inspired some desperate intel snakes to adapt this poor tech and use it to try and salvage their declining lead (which now is gone) on the cpu flank of things. Take into consideration that there's more to things that just what's popular. But ironically, buy used? Get what you can afford. Get what performs. If amd, use the radeon chill feature if a few dollars per year is for you to cry about. Mod your card with a custom bios. Re-paste it with thermal grizzly. Or just get a weaker modern card and enjoy the features + run things at mid or low quality and respect where you are at life until you can progress. It's better this way long term.
CPUs older than Intel 8th or AMD Ryzen 2000 are still able to run Windows 11 with some bypass but if you play games that require TPM and Secure Boot enabled, you may have a hard time
What an absolutely fantastic and informative video! Thank you for all your hardwork. I know this video is going to help so many people tremendously. Your depth of knowledge, and easy to understand video format is perfect for those who are feeling lost in the used market, and I can't wait to see what 2024 has in store for your channel buddy! Cheers!
Great video, I've come to most of the same conclusions. What a fantastic time to be into PC hardware, there's absolutely something for every budget. The fact that stuff that's a decade old can still be relevant today blows my mind. Can you imagine using a Pentium 4 in 2014?
@@makifrable what tf you know? It is objective that the legion go is better in every aspect. Not only from my experience but also from reviews, benchmarks and information sources
Got a GTX 960 4GB for $45 at beginning of December! XP god machine/Basic Vulkan Linux workhorse, you have arrived. To kill the insane coil whine in old title menus (looking at you, Halo CE) and improve stability, I cut my i7-2600 frequency to 1600MHz and cut down on cores as needed. To anyone doing the same - cap your frame rates. There’s no need to have a 2000fps menu, especially with old hardware.
I want a 4GB 960 so badly. You can't beat native and power-efficient analog output and 240p support for CRT displays. Not to mention overhead for playing some modern games up to 720p/1080p optimized settings.
I ran a GTX 1080 for several weeks about a year ago. It performs about in line with a 3060 at 1080p and actually comes close to a 3060 Ti at 1440p. I got mine for $150 but have seen them as low as $120 in recent days.
Would love to see a nVidia Geforce GTX780 vs AMD Radeon 780m. Ancient High-End vs Modern Intergrated...with the same name...you could title the video "nVidia 780 vs AMD 780"
RX5600XT is good value in the used market I've been getting them for $86 has good driver support for longer being AMD. $86 FOR A CARD that has 2/3 years left of driver support is a barging. Its not a problem to be upgrading in 2/3 years when $86 les than $29 per year.
Can't wait to get my 4090 in five years.
that will probably be when you need one
If it's gonna be 600-800 dollars by then, I will definitely buy it.
Bouta be getting a terrible 2000 fps on fortnite man it's gonna suck in 5 years 😔
We will be there
@@Thomas_Angelo Buy then newer $600 cards will be faster (just like the case now with the $600 4070 Super being as fast as a currently $900 3090)
Love my 7900 XT.
She'll be in my system for a few years to come. AMD is awesome for long system life :)
I was not ready for 23:33 lol.
Why is it always us the consumers have to recycle and fix whatever the problem is? Why not corporations ever recycle their old stuff and fix their new items prices?
I bought a used RM850(2020) psu. a used AK620 cpu cooler. and a USED rx 6800 xt merc. with a new 5700x3d on my old mb and ram ect. runs good.
Fantastic video, very useful, very professional. Thanks Sir.
I got a used 1060 3GB for 40$ in 2019. And it's been what ive been using after i sold my 1070 in the hype for the 30 series card. And now ive been outpriced in getting an upgrade. But my 1060 3GB keeps me happy
Used market in the UK usually sucks. I had a browse around when I was looking for my new GPU and the prices of used cards was usually very little different than buying new, sometimes even more expensive that new. I ended up going with a new XFX 6750 XT from Ebuyer which was £300. Same GPU is on sale on their eBay store right now with a 15% code and works out at £288. Unreal GPU for the price.
If you are good at adjusting your Vega 64, I have gotten maximum FPS at 950mW, 1400mHz core, and 1100mhz memory. Total power consumption was 135 watts.
im still running on gtx 1060 6GB, its at the end of its life cycle, AAA games low details are fine, esports games like league , fortnite run fine with 144hz
Yes, do some V3+V4Xeons. 2643 or 2630L etc etc
had a pause around 37:53, i never heard an english person use the word "mark" to refer to brands, which part of england are you from? im learning german and the word for brand is "mark" too, did you by any chance learn german before?
If at all posible, please review Ryzen 5 8600G and/or 8700G
This must have taken *ages* to put together but what a comprehensive guide this is. This should be required viewing for punters looking to assemble a low cost but capable rig for 2024. I'm glad you touched on the lack of a upgrade path for Zen 3, when I put my current rig together that was the final piece that made me choose Zen 4.
It’s hard too appreciate
Thing is zen 3 would still be good 3 years later esp the 5700x3d and 5800x3d. By then it would be a better upgrade path. Even building from scratch zen3 still offers the best value for budget gamers
@@ghamsterroff6215 True but I was coming from another dead-end tech (7th gen Kaby Lake) and since I only upgrade every 5 years or so I thought Zen 4 was a better choice. You're right though, Zen 3 still has a lot of legs left.
Still using a 1070Ti from 2018 paired with a r5 5600 and a second machine with 1070 with r5 2600 and Im more than happy with the performance. Considering a second hand 2080Ti soon :)
where are looking for your used GPUs? I've found Ebay still overvalues 2000 series cards (over 200 a lot of the time) so I'm looking to snag a 3070 for sub 300 or a 3080 around 300 as they sometimes end bidding there from high feedback sellers.
Im looking at local second hand market in my country and prices are yes 2080's for around 230 usd and 3070's for 330usd wich is not cheap but what can you do gpu market sucks, gonna use my 10 series a little longer.
@@Kasev309 Ya i'm looking now so I can try and snag one of the underpriced deals, specifically a $300 3080. My 1070 will hang on until then.
If my state wasn't a complete shitshow for computers I'd be looking local. But everyone is only sell complete systems,some are good price but not worth parting out to get the rest of the money back.
i had my eyes on 6700XT that were 300$
Why 2 computers? You could sell them and easily build an DDR5 machine.
Fantastic round-up! The used market can be intimidating but this was really eye opening to understand the intricacies of what's worth and what to avoid. Thank you for a great year of content; looking forward to next year!
One point I would throw in the Vega 64/56's favour in regard to PSU cost; is the build quality of those cards is mostly excellent, reference cards use top tier VRM and plenty of premium capacitors. AMD lost money on every card. So a Vega 64 is quite happy with a 650watt powesupply of somewhat ok quality and 550watt of decent quality, where as a 3070; despite pulling less power, is more prone to transient spike shutdowns/stability issues like for like. Vega's were hungry for their time, but no where near as temperamental about PSU wattage/quality as modern cards.
It's widely believed that Nvidia used a smear campaign to try and keep AMD competition
"out of the game"
Trust No-one esp. Nvidia fanbois, Nbots are Nbought probably😂
@@johncollins5552 the problem is...AMD need to stop trying to do a 7600XT. Stuffing 16GB of ram on a 7600 and expect people to crank up settings but with the same raster of 7600? They literally follow Nvidia's already questionable 4060ti 16gb thing, yet you will defend them like old dogs, because "underdog nuh uh"
I had a Vega 64 back in the day, served me for 5 years. Beautiful card.
@baoquoc3710 4060ti 16gb would have been amazing if it didn't release at the same price as the 7800XT lol.
The point of both are to be cards with long legs, that you can run in 2028 and not feel the urgent need to upgrade as 1080p gets phased out. The issue with the 4060ti is that the used price in a few years will be double the used price of the 7600XT and it will be competing with future low end cards with 16gb of VRAM that will inevitably be cheaper.
The transient power spike issues have been greatly improved on RDNA3 and Ada. It's the 30-series that is really bad and RDNA 2 series which is somehow worse.
Consider this as a humble New Year gift!
Awesome video as always and keep them coming! Also i would like to recommend a couple of extra games for the next benchmark rounds that maybe would be a bit interesting those are Deep Rock Galactic, Rust and The Finals.
Happy new year Iceberg!
did I hear rock and stone!?
bro donated 1usd
@@beansrreal that's why i said a humble gift
@@raellgeramiebalagbis9384 if you don't rock and stone you ain't coming home
Funny how you got pinned for a UKP 0.49 donation🤣🤣
You're Argentinian, not Ethiopian. That's not a humble donation, it is a troll.
Kudos for going all the way back to Terascale! Still using it in my laptop in 2024, though it definitely won't start too many games anymore these days. Not only are Dx12 and Vulkan entirely unsupported, but OpenGL support is sketchy to say the least as well. Even OpenGL 4.5 games, which should run, often don't. GCN 1, while still mostly obsolete these days, is MUCH more usable
My sympathy and condolences for you buddy
@@Eleganttf2 Thanks, but dw, I've also got a fairly capable desktop for gaming ;). I just generally can't run the same games on my laptop (though I've found it can be better for old games in some cases)
That machine still probably SLAYS Kotor lol. If you are into star wars it's a great game. Even if you aren't "into" Star wars it can still be enjoyed just as much as long as you aren''t someone who can't stand it. It takes place 4000 years before the movies so it is extremely detached from them @@SterkeYerke5555
@@SterkeYerke5555I had a kabini AMD a6 5200, which I believe was gcn 1, could have been 2? R3 graphics, I played BF4 on that thing, at about 30 fps low. But older games ran great, even saints row the third nfs mw ug2 and carbon.
@@SkylineFinesse Should be GCN 2 from what I'm seeing. Probably pretty decent considering the cpu it's paired to. I'm surprised NFS Carbon ran well though. Even on my 6770M it runs, well, fine I guess, but surely not perfectly. That 6770M was somewhat high-end for a laptop only two years before your A6 was introduced. I'm running it at 1920x1200 at medium to high settings though, with some mods to make the game a bit more modern. Guess I can't complain
LETS GO 1060 GANG STILL RUNNING STRONG
No
😮
Lol
true
I was running a 1070 till literally 2 days ago 😭😂
Happy new year 🎉
45 minutes long video to start the year.
Let´s go🔥🔥🔥
You're such a gifted writer and presenter. And you somehow managed to wrestle over a decade's worth of hardware down to about 42ish minutes, keep it entertaining, keep it informative, and of high quality. Perhaps wrestle is the wrong term, as it's probably more some type of verbal judo you're using.
Anyway, great job!
Good video. Remember to have fun with whatever hardware you have, there are no doubt many games that you've never played that will work on the older hardware you have. I was recently at a family rural vacation property when the weather was very bad outside. I played Batman: Arkham Asylum on a SFF pc that has an i5 2500s and 720gt. Around 10yr old hardware, I turned the settings down and overclocked the card a little and had a lot of fun.
hell yeah. I think I'm actually having more fun replaying older games on my i5-6300 ThinkPad (with no discrete graphics!) than playing fresh releases on my main rig. Part of the fun comes from actually running the games on (relatively) weaker hardware.
Incompatibility of old games is very annoying. When i changed pc, i couldn't play half of my retro shooters, like Unreal Tournament, Gore, Soldier of Fortune etc. they just wouldn't run on the new machine 😢
I just bought a Vega 56, specifically the Powercolor Vega 56 Nano version and one of my deciding factor is watching your Vega 56 retrospective. The end of mining craze really dropped the price hard and fortunately mine is only used for gaming.
In my experience my Vega 56 is still a viable 1080p budget option considering I got it for $70. Mine has only the 8 pin though which limits the power draw to a mere 150W which surprisingly doesn't really hurt the card that much aside from some mediocre overclocking result. I upgraded it from an RX 570 and I think while my new card might not get the proper support, the modded driver might still help the card to be usable for years to come.
That's why I love amd you can always count on the community
Very nice! I upgraded in a very similar way. I needed a GPU for a project and was interested in Vega because of its architecture. So I replaced my RX 580 Strix with a Vega 64 Nitro+ for 100 bucks. About 50% faster, really shines with undervolting. Stock 240w, around 950mV and 1600MHz and 1100MHz HBM 130-170w in games,
If you haven't tried it recently then you should really give Linux gaming a try. GCN GPUs (even GCN 1) are still officially fully supported by the open source AMDGPU drivers and given the track record of support for older hardware on Linux that's unlikely to change any time soon. Gaming on Linux has improved massively over the past few years in large part thanks to Valve's Proton compatibility layer which makes it possible to run many Windows-only games by just clicking the play button in the Steam client.
i got a used RX 580 2048 (a china OC'd RX 570) back covid., cahnged my perspective towards used hardware, not on used storage or PSU ofc lol.
@@electricindigoball1244 I was about to comment this. The driver support issue only applies to Windows, Linux provides support to graphics cards for effectively indefinitely. My HD 7950 was recieving MESA updates when I was still using it a few months ago, until its 3GB VRAM became completely insufficient and I copped a $50 RX580 8GB.
It was also significantly faster than when I used it on Windows, thanks to both the drivers being excellent and Linux's super low overhead, despite running under wine/proton.
Ever since my friend introduced me to the used market I’ve been addicted to buying tech for me and my friends. My rig would usually cost 3000 but cost me 1600. Good vid, Iceberg, happy new year!
You and me both. I just left a comment above about that very topic. RUclips removed it, which is strange because I did not say anything bad at all... lol
Where do u get ur parts from
I planned to upgrade to Zen5 this year from a 5900X, but I still have no use case for the higher performance.
No need to upgrade if you don’t have a use case
have you considered using linux to test out RT on older radeon cards? on vega cards its surprisingly more performant than it would be on a pascal card. i imagine an rdna 1 card would be even better. its all software emulated so even a 580 would work ...to your dismay.
In yesterday's morning i picked up a used 12G RTX 3060 for 225 euro, bit overpaid but the seller delivered the gpu to me, so its a fair deal to me.
Few years ago i was with a GT710, then to an RX560, and now moving up from a 3G 1060. The 1060 will go down to my little brother's pc, i got him the pc in december, got a monitor and a new mouse too, and next time i arrive back home, he too will have a potent pc. Enough to play fortnite, cod zombies and some other games together.
Finally we both will have gaming pcs, not the best, but we had to play the same xbox 360 for 7 years straight.
Thats a pretty good deal
Bless you bud
Good god, and the alleged "1060" 3gb eas the SECOND upgrade even, protip the 3gb isn't the same as 1060 6gb it's actually cut down in the same way their newer bullshit is called something better than it is, 3040? 4040? I forget anyway, at that point you'd be better off just getting a 6600xt, or a used 5700xt. Or 1080ti. It's really not much money at all, hell you could work for Best Buy or Walmart or something and make enough to afford a used 5700XT in a day or two's wages which is amazing.
@@drek9k2 I'm aware of the better value that AMD cards offer, I did have 6600XT as my possible alternative, but after the RX560 I did not want another AMD card, it was crashing WAY too much for me. Either my system did not like it or I had a bad sample of it. Regardless I am happy with my 3060, performance is great, fits well in my small case too. I chose it just purely by preference. I was also aware of the 3G 1060 being a cut down of the 6G model, it was back in the "Scalper pandemic" and simply wanted to get rid of the 560 ASAP. All is good now B)
Recently bought one of those LGA 1150 Xeons (E3-1271V3) for ~$30USD to upgrade my old i5 4570/R9 290 build. Looking forward to installing and benchmarking it to see how much more performance I can squeeze out of that surprisingly still capable machine!
price of v4 xeons wore not appeling?
Sadly, the motherboard is a B85 one that only supports the v3 xeons.@@DanielGT_93
damn good one
For 1080p gaming, the market is flush!
true
This has become one of my favourite tech channels on RUclips. The sheer consistency in quality of uploads is a rare thing that makes Iceberg Tech a gem. Keep at it bro :)
The 5700 xt is the best budget gpu in my opinion.
No not really and games like Alan Wake 2 show that this card is outdated a dx 12.2 card is a must have.
js get a 4060
@@kamstarm5 8gb vram lol 12gb should be the minimum in 2024
@@Vfl666 Why would you play Alan Wake 2 on a very budget gpu?
@@JakeVeryJake just get a rx 6600 and stay away from outdated cards
Vega still gets driver support they are just on a separate branch so they're not getting as many updates and not the same feature updates. It's wrong that support is dropped.
Older AMD cards will also be well supported on linux for many years due to the open source RADV driversunlike older nividia
Correct vegas still get drivers support
Last gpu I bought new was the HD 4870, wich I was very happy with.
Since then I got lucky with every used pc part and sometimes I made money out of it when selling.
This is the first time in my entire life I've heard someone just casually call English speakers, "Anglophones".
Fun fact: old graphics cards are better supported on Linux, since graphics drivers are basically never removed.
My Terascale 3 iGPU still works with the latest drivers. Even GCN 4 (RX 4xx and RX 5xx) is basically guaranteed to stay supproted for at least the next decade, and so will Turing GPUs with the new nvidia open source driver
What a way to start 2024. Appreciate these informative videos. They help a lot in understanding and figuring out what could be considered the "minimum" for entry level budget gaming. Thanks for doing some honest work. Cheers!!
I'm somewhere in Africa where there's no gpu market. Aliexpress shipping costs are way too much. For building my 1st PC, i had to settle to using a freight forwarder by getting 580 8gb 2048 from ebay and it was expensive af, but it's been so worth it. Unfortunately such is the price of being where i live that i pay nearly double what a gpu is worth.
Which country?
@@My_Old_YT_Account lesotho
Good thing I don’t plan on playing AAA goyslop that requires $2000 hardware to play
2024 started like 12 hours ago🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
AMD used cards still have one more use : run Linux and Proton on it, and you'll get surprisingly advanced support and performance...
The only used PC components I've bought were graphics cards: a couple of 980Ti cards and an R9-290. Yeah, it's been a while. All three were in basically new condition, even the boxes. These days, I'd be more hesitant.
I bought a 3070 in April in 2023 and I struggled so much trying to repair it and going to a bunch of repair shops with it... ended up reselling it as "broken", personally I'm never buying gpus second hand again
Bought a used 6800 XT last year in March, 0 problems with it. Later bought a used ryzen 5700x, also 0 problems with it. Depends on luck
Imo, it is best to go only as far back as 2 gen of the current gpu gen if you're gaming. The performance wouldn't be that far off and some gen would support modern/recent gaming features.
Thank you for this type of content. Bought 1080 TI for 160$ recently, because saw your video about it. I was considering Rx 5700, before saw your content and video about 1080 TI .
I will say in my market (Near Seattle) the 1060 6GB is averaging $60-$80, but the 1080 (Non TI) is selling for $80 to $100, and finding a 1080 at $80 is easier that a 1060 6GB at $60, so the 1080 is a no brainer for the 10 series here. oddly the 1070 seems to average around $100, maybe because owners who didn't bother spending the extra for the 1080, are less grounded about the value loss these older cards have experienced.
I currently use an RX 7900 XT i got for $400 when the previous owner decided he needed the RX 7900 XTX. The used market here in Seattle is fantastic.
I bought a GTX 980 used (eVGA Superclock or whatever it is called). I bought it 2 or 3 years ago. I've never used it. The drivers are terrible for those cards. I swapped it for a Vega 56 by Powercolor (Red Devil). AMDs drivers are much better overall when using used cards. This isn't in my main rig, it was for a "retro" rig... well period correct PC. In fact all of my period correct PCs run ATi or AMD (I also have quite a few 3Dfx ones). nVIDIA just, well, destroys the performance of their older cards with driver updates so trying to find a driver that works with all of the games is hard. Best to just get ATi/AMD instead.
I recently put together a Radeon HD 4850 X2 based rig with a Phenom II X6 1075T CPU running Windows Vista x64 Ultimate. I also built up a Pentium IV 3.2GHz Northwood with a Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB system that also has a Quantum Obsidian X24 24MB (dual Voodoo2 12MB) card in it for Glide games running Windows XP Pro.
As for AM4, it's probably the best platform ever. I can't think of a platform (and I'm 43 years old and have been in tech since I was around 9 or 10) that is better than AM4. Maybe the Socket 7 or Super Socket 7 platform from back in the day but other than that, AM4 is king in that regard. It lasted a very long time, supports an enormous number of CPUs and can even dabble in X3D. It's amazing. I hope AMD keeps this up with AM5.
Really like the way you've explained recent hardware in the used market - a brilliant video for those who aren't particularly versed in the PC hardware. Personally I'd draw the line at Turing and RDNA1 (5700xt) for GPUs and 2nd gen 2600x /8700k if you want a decent experience for this gen's games . Playing older games can really help in terms of needing older hardware.
580 and 5700 XT are still king!
1 fps in Alan wake 2 with a rx 580 and 30fps at best with a 5700xt
@@Vfl666 what if I don't play bad games
@@potatoes5829 Exactly, not everyone plays just 1 game
This was just the beginning we will see more games that require modern dx 12.2 gpus.
@@Vfl666 Yes, and not all of them perform badly if you adjust the settings, and not everyone plays all these games. In the end, if depending on your needs, budget, and abilities, you can still do a massive amount of things with the 580 and 5700 XT. If you disagree, you should be rioting about cards like the 3070 Ti, which aged terribly, as they barely perform better than the others due to VRAM, instead of cards that are actually great and aged great, especially for the prices
Just be sure to stay away from RTX 2000 series with micron memory and 3060Ti with hynix.
Otherwise you are good to go
The 1080 ti truly learned to manipulate time to stay competitive so many years later ❤
I was considering two routes - procuring a laptop with Quadro M2000, or trying to get a desktop Optiplex with i5-3450 and pair it with a 1650 Super. Both would be used. Perhaps neither will last very long without modern driver updates.
I wouldn't get any of those GPUs in thumbnail.
RX 5700 XT or 1080 Ti should suffice most needs if you find them for $100-$150.
Im addicted to the used market. Buy, build, resell. Rinse and repeat. I loved testing older hardware and finding new uses for it. I modded a bunch of Tesla cards and turned them into Titans and just gave them away to people who did not have a GPU during the scam-demic.
i dit grab a Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX Vega64 8GB it replace a rx 580 4gb it was a good catch for 90 bucks
Speaking about drivers. I remember NVIDIA bragging a while ago on Twitter, when AMD announced that Polaris & Vega driver support stops, and NVIDIA bragging, that Maxwell GPUs still get driver support. When I used to have a PC still (RIP...), I had the Maxwell GTX 745, and this card was beyond terrible. Sure it has driver support, but the raw performance is so bad that it doesn't matter. On top of that, the card is noisy as hell under 100% load and can go beyond 90°c, while still giving very terrible performance. On top of that, most Dx12 titles won't work because it lacks the two latest feature sets, and from my understanding the HP GTX 745 GPU that I had, was likely also the lowest performing GTX 745. Oftentimes modern games on 1080p medium settings (without any RT), you'd get 15 fps average or even lower than that. Terrible argument from NVIDIA, unless you have a GTX 980 Ti at least. Also I don't know why, but I had a few times the feeling that modern NVIDIA drivers on the GTX 745 sometimes slowed games down (typically older games, that are several years old), and older drivers felt faster sometimes, which made me wonder whether NVIDIA actually optimizes such really old cards at all
games relying on larger VRAM and performance features is exactly why games are so shit right now
we are shoving so much data down a limited pipeline in such a way that we are pushing the limit, so that if you use a smaller pipeline, you simply cannot keep up
not only do people with the better systems suffer not being able to have their good performance AND great visuals, but lower-end systems simply cannot run some of these games outright
usually, it just ends up that the greedy companies get greedier, and the consumer suffers needing to pay more and more and more for less and less and less
In depth explanation, good recommendations, no fanboying.
Here's my sub.
Snagged an RTX 2080 off of eBay for $223 (200, plus shipping and tax), pretty happy with used I'd say
Vega is not dead for drivers it’s still receiving new drivers it’s just they won’t be released in the primary cycle at same time as RDNA they’ll be a bit slower on the secondary cycle.
Thank you for the video mate. If you are looking for, Cheap CPU/Ram upgrades for your system look into old workstations. I needed a i7 and ram for my 2X gen 6/7 Intel. As you stated, $300+ in used parts for both systems. Bought 2 i7 32GB Ram w/SSD Dell workstations. for $150 each & Swapped parts. Resold the dells for $75 each. For $150 I upgraded 2 systems from Pent Duel core 8GB Ram Boot Hard Drive, to i7 32GB Boot Nvme SSDs! You just need to know where and how to hunt for deals! Take it Easy
Gs.
(Btw, if you wanna possibly get samples from companies just putting a business email on the channel is an easy thing to do. You could reach out specifically to companies, but that takes a long time and I don’t do it either. Hope this helps my dude)
Thanks bud
Yeah, I get some companies emailing me, mostly mini PCs so far (as well as the usual VPNs, USB chargers and crypto scams I assume we all get hounded by)
I actually had an email from one of the salvage GPU brands, but I didn't like their terms. I think they basically wanted me to make an ad.
Ive never had a Radeon Card die on me and never heard of a Radeon Card dying from natural circumstances from anyone iknow. only Overclocking that a friend did killed a Radeon 480.
Glad to have an IcebergTech video on the first day of a new year. Hope the GPU market will be kinder this year.
I've been watching the used market closely, and it seems they're starting to go back up in price. I'm not sure if it has something to do with the BTC value surge, but I very much hope not. There's sentiment that GPU prices are going to go up in 2024, especially on the used market.
Correction, the RX 5000 series does support mesh shaders and performs quite well in Alan Wake 2.
built my gf a budget pc.
R5 1600, 16gb ddr4, gtx 980, 512gb ssd, older 700w psu. All that for like 130€ and the coolest thing is the clear upgrade path
bought a 1080 ti last year. prolly wont do any upgrades untill my whole setup is ~10 years old. (or if i REALLY need an upgrade)
The 1080 Ti is still holding up well.
I got a used RTX 2070 for about $180 USD. Zero regrets, it's a great card, runs whatever just fine 1080p ultra with 60+ fps. I also intend to get into VR, which should run off a 2070. It was the best price to performance I could find pretty much in the mess that is the GPU market.
Sounds like a steal! I've also been considering the 2070 as my first RTX card, if not the 3060 12GB or 3060 Ti.
@@greatwavefan397 Absolutely! I imagine both the RTX 3060 or 3060 Ti are good options. I think they have similar, if not better performance than a 2070. A 2070 is probably cheaper on the used market, hence why I picked that over a 30xx card. My 2070 performs amazingly and I will probably keep it around for a few years. When/if it starts to falter in 1080p, I can just enable DLSS for free extra frames
@@evedoingthingsaaaaa The 30 series cards have AV1 decode-which can save bandwidth when streaming-ReBAR support, and lower power consumption, but if I'm upgrading from a GTX 1650 Max-Q, either the 20 or 30 series will likely be a fantastic performance boost.
I wonder if official driver support for Maxwell and Pascal will be dropped at the same time.
funnily enough, I shot an amazing deal on a 12100F and accompanying B660 ITX Motherboard, both used for around 80€ each. This was before 14th gen was even announced. Yeah, Its a Biostar motherboard, but they are quite competent these days. Its still DDR4, but at the time that was the only reason for me to buy these, since DDR5 was still way too expensive.
that's really cool, I actually got a 12100F and a Z690 ITX for a bit more each! it's for a computer in a suitcase that me and my band call the "music box"
@@johnjson oh that's sick! mine currently resides on an impromptu test bench made of wood, as I'm looking for a stylish low budget itx case :D
@@tollertup that's a good idea, the Thermaltake Core V1 is cheap but not too stylish (it's basically a cube.) as for stylish cheaper cases there's always the Phanteks P200A which is like $40 and pretty decent looking. hope you find something great
@@johnjson oh yeah, already have the matching P300A :D the P200A is soo cute. But i was thinking even smaller! I want the pain!
My daily driver is currently an 11th-gen i5/GTX 1650 laptop; I'm better off keeping it instead of building a brand new PC unless I can sell it and buy another laptop with the modern specs I want.
If AVX-512 for PS3 emulation and AV1 encode/decode didn't matter to me, I'd honestly pair an i7-5775c with an RTX 2070 for modern gaming, and an i7-4790S/GTX 960 for retro/CRT gaming.
Your gtx 1650 doesn't support av1 encoding though lol
@@Eleganttf2 I didn't say it did; the new hardware I wanna get does (Ryzen 7 7800X3D/RTX 4070 or 4080)
This is a good reminder of how all tech is now designed with specific and deliberate obsolescence. Wall-E is very much on the cards of reality. And you did oh so well until the last few seconds of the video, where you just couldn't resist bringing the tone down to a needless level.
I agree. Most of the video went well until the end there.
And yes, I think Nvidia messed up with the 1080 Ti so are avoiding that mistake again.
I buy alot of cards for custom builds I do for customers and iv switched from nvidia to AMD when it comes to used I have been getting alot of 6700xt or 6600 cards as they are a good middle ground for low cost gaming the 6700xt gives you some nice vram buffer for those newer games and the 6600 is great for people that don't mind lowering settings a bit . I didn't even realise I had done it I just followed the prices and AMD if you get a good one is hard to beat
My MSI branded Vega 64 Liquid still runs perfectly fine in a friends pc
I noticed that this channel mostly talks about used graphics cards and used processors. Do you plan to make videos about used power supplies?
iceberg tech my beloved
Gt 710 2gb vs hd 630 (not 1gb of gt 710) please broski 🥺
thanks to this video i decided on a used 2080 super instead of a brand new 3060. price wise these are literally identical in poland, but 2080s averages 20fps more compared to 3060. seems like a great deal to me
Have Nimez drivers been updated since 2021? I haven’t found anything more recent from them.
The sourceforge page says there have been updates as recent as a few weeks ago. I had never heard of these before and couldn't tell what he was saying an no link or mention in the description. Glad someone in the comments actually named the 3rd party Radeon drivers!
@@wrathofsocrus they've changed names and now the modded drivers are using another name. I installed them for my RX580 and so far, I've had no issues.
Iceberg super cool video. This was a creative way to start 2024!
I’ve watched your content through 2023 and find it super relevant for my use case, being a non-top tier hardware user. Plenty of deals to be had on the used market.
If you're just starting out in PC gaming, you'll want at least 1) a 6-core CPU from 2018 or later, 2) 16 GB of fast RAM, and 3) an 8GB graphics card that supports both ray tracing and mesh shading. Anything less than this will require too many compromises in recent and upcoming games, and you'd be better off just buying a console to play games on.
Mesh shading?
@@greatwavefan397 Yes, it's a new geometry vertex culling technology that is already required to play one game (Alan Wake 2) and will be required to play more games in the future. You really don't want to buy a GPU today unless it supports mesh shading. If you try to play one of these games on a GPU that doesn't support mesh shading, you'll lose more than half your frame rate.
A go-to combo for me nowadays is a Ryzen 5 3600 + RTX 3060/RX 6600xt. AM4 motherboards have gotten cheap and plentiful, and allows an upgrade path to a 5800x3D later down the line which is just a beast. I will say though if you're just playing eSports type games, you can definitely get away with lesser specs as a starter PC.
They want to make games so ridiculous to run that you end up buying their cloud gaming services. Hell, the 4090 can't even do stable 60fps on alan wake 2. Wtf.
The RX 5700 XT is currently the king of used graphics. Because of the price, age and performance. And it is x16 card. Which means a lot if you use older processors such as the i5-4460.
Cannot agree with 700 series and below cards been considered "dead". I've put together machines literally for free with these old component and they can do just fine in plenty of esports titles.
I mean, free is free but hes comparing used prices. You can often get 9 series for the same price as a 7 series making the 7's dead for PURCHASE. I found a 2700k and it plays nicely with a 780ti. Great for my brother to start off but I wouldn't buy it.
Great episode! I’d love to see you cover Nvidia’s RTX 2080 Ti in 2024z
This man made a video where he indirectly says "no" for 10 minutes. Then proceeds to recommend the 1080ti over a vega64 when these cards perform extremely similarly. Yes, the vega64 perform extremely close to the 1080ti. Yes, the Wattage is a bit higher, but you show how naïve you are there. The GPU driver work on the CPU instead of the GPU for Nvidia cards; the extra wattage is off-set to the CPU via how it process draw-calls instead. This is extreeeeeemely old knowledge, i learned this over 5 years ago so far. And it was why Nvidia praised AMD's re-entry with their ZEN architecture. The new good core system let Nvidia's driver flex it's wings even more. Ironically boosting their competitors performance and sabotaging their own competitive edge. But it was for the sake of being the better competitor, inevitable. Lastly, most people just use the Radeon Chill feature or undervolt their AMD cards a tiny bit and suddenly your wattage is absurdly much lower. And in some stability-cases where the silicone is even better, your undervolt actually yield you an equal or higher performance roof. Why? It's in stability, and it's uniquely annoying nature. LASTLY. AMD was desperate at the release of the Vega64, to compete with Nvidia. Let's ignore all of the outright blatantly EVIL things Nvidia has pulled routinely. Again and again, VS their industry partners, even. And not just their normal competition like AMD. Let's ignore Nvidia, the shit-heel of the big-tech industry. And let's instead look at where AMD was at.
AMD almost went extinct. If that had happened, your current nvidia and Intel processor would be a laughable joke today. Because the competition didn't push the opponent. AMD knew that everything was at stake, even their own existence. Having Jim Keller do the core-work of the entire company, and transforming it into one of the best tech companies on earth, speaks volumes not just of AMD and what they could accomplish on their own! But also in how insanely blatantly absurdly gifted Jim Keller is as a man. It's just insane. AMD got 1 last high-money deal, and 1 end-game-level mastermind to resurrect their company. And it worked. All that was at stake. All of it. So AMD had to push their Zen as hard as possible. And their RX590 cards, and the Vega64 watercooled edition along with pushing the normal 64 versions a bit too hard. While seemingly a mistake, they made up for it with very intelligent features later on.
The sole reason for why i am not running my older Vega64 today, is due to how Tarkov runs like a steamroller in mud on it. And i figured that i'd leave you this comment to inform you on the deeper core-nature of how things truly are with the GPU landscape.
And if you wonder, it was me and like 2-3 other dudes that discussed e-cores on the amd subreddit in 2016. For all you know, it was us that inspired some desperate intel snakes to adapt this poor tech and use it to try and salvage their declining lead (which now is gone) on the cpu flank of things. Take into consideration that there's more to things that just what's popular.
But ironically, buy used? Get what you can afford. Get what performs. If amd, use the radeon chill feature if a few dollars per year is for you to cry about. Mod your card with a custom bios. Re-paste it with thermal grizzly. Or just get a weaker modern card and enjoy the features + run things at mid or low quality and respect where you are at life until you can progress. It's better this way long term.
CPUs older than Intel 8th or AMD Ryzen 2000 are still able to run Windows 11 with some bypass
but if you play games that require TPM and Secure Boot enabled, you may have a hard time
What if you install a TPM card on your motherboard?
@@greatwavefan397 then you are good to go
@@Hardware1906 sweet
What an absolutely fantastic and informative video! Thank you for all your hardwork. I know this video is going to help so many people tremendously. Your depth of knowledge, and easy to understand video format is perfect for those who are feeling lost in the used market, and I can't wait to see what 2024 has in store for your channel buddy! Cheers!
Great video, I've come to most of the same conclusions. What a fantastic time to be into PC hardware, there's absolutely something for every budget. The fact that stuff that's a decade old can still be relevant today blows my mind. Can you imagine using a Pentium 4 in 2014?
GTX 1xxx aren't compatible with mesh shading, that's why Alan Wake running awful on ur 1080 ti.
I'm done with this nonsense. I'm going with a Steam Deck.
Regret? eBay is full of these things
Legion go is better
@@DaRealEazeNo
@@makifrable what tf you know? It is objective that the legion go is better in every aspect. Not only from my experience but also from reviews, benchmarks and information sources
@@DaRealEaze Still no lol
Got a GTX 960 4GB for $45 at beginning of December! XP god machine/Basic Vulkan Linux workhorse, you have arrived.
To kill the insane coil whine in old title menus (looking at you, Halo CE) and improve stability, I cut my i7-2600 frequency to 1600MHz and cut down on cores as needed. To anyone doing the same - cap your frame rates. There’s no need to have a 2000fps menu, especially with old hardware.
I want a 4GB 960 so badly.
You can't beat native and power-efficient analog output and 240p support for CRT displays.
Not to mention overhead for playing some modern games up to 720p/1080p optimized settings.
My 3090 and 3950x (overclocked to 4.3Ghz) still runs great for me...🤔
Europeans really be factoring power costs in their decisions, common European L.
Lmao
Imo from Amd Minimum should be Rx 5500xt (preferably 5700/xt).
From Nvidia:- Rtx 2060S and Upwards.
Sure You can Go lower like Gtx 1070 or Rx 580.
I ran a GTX 1080 for several weeks about a year ago. It performs about in line with a 3060 at 1080p and actually comes close to a 3060 Ti at 1440p. I got mine for $150 but have seen them as low as $120 in recent days.
My best used build in 2023 was an i5-8500 office PC that came with NVME and 16gb ram, that i put a used RX6600 in. Monster of a gaming rig...$250.
The 1030 (or pre 900s) makes sense in a server build in which you only need the GPU to post, but that's about it.
Would love to see a nVidia Geforce GTX780 vs AMD Radeon 780m. Ancient High-End vs Modern Intergrated...with the same name...you could title the video "nVidia 780 vs AMD 780"
RX5600XT is good value in the used market I've been getting them for $86 has good driver support for longer being AMD. $86 FOR A CARD that has 2/3 years left of driver support is a barging. Its not a problem to be upgrading in 2/3 years when $86 les than $29 per year.