People giving a lot of flack against 4070 TI Super but that 4GB VRAM and wider bus really helps in 4k gaming. If you want good 4k gaming but don't want to pay 1k then get the 4070 TI Super.
^^^There is a collective consciousness around the 4070 ti super for some reason. Everyone is complaining about all around better specs for the same money. Weird times we live in.
Thanks for reviewing the Inno3D’s dual slot 2 fan card! Hopefully we’ll see more “small” cards in the future that are compatible with many more sff cases.
As an itx builder smaller single or dual-fan gpus are of interest to me 🥰👍. Zotac nearly got it right with their RTX4070 (non-super) twin edge model ….. it just needed about 3mm cut off the plastic shroud to be a perfect fit for my sff HTPC for both gaming and streaming needs 💪🧐😇👍. At this current GPU cycle, Nvidia, and AMD need to drop their current MSRP/ RRP of their mid range ~$500 by a good $100USD and their higher end ~$800 by $150USD with these refreshes etc imo to make them worth while.
So much for people arguing that it was gonna get close to 4080 performance what a joke. 7900 XT looking good seen the sapphire pulse for 709.99 on Amazon US
$50-$100 difference is about right for the 2 cards to be competitive with each other. That's right about where AMD and Nvidia like to keep it for cards in the same class. Although while I decided on 4070 Super over the 7800XT, here I think the 7900XT is the better buy.
The best non biased benchmark of this card by far. Thanks you. One not is it is actually more expensive than the 4070ti was as there are no founders edition so it will never be 799$ until sales in the future.
I just bought Gigabyte version you have here. Your review help me with that. I am testing it now, but there is some room for overclocking, it is quite, good looking, but for me most important was 261mm length, because I can´t put big cards in case. I had previous card watercooled. But..so far I am not sure if there will be waterblock for this card. On the front side of card are three screw holes, but there wasn´t any holder in package.
@@stangamer1151Actually many predicted it's gonne be close with 4080, and gonna smoke 7900xt on raster, and makes sense when you consider stat improvement, but in reality it's closer to 4070ti rather than 4080.
@@tomthomas3499 Taking into account the fact that 4080 Super will be just ~5% faster than base 4080, it was naive to think that 4070 Ti Super would get close to 4080. Nvidia needs to segment their products, so that the difference in performance between all 3 Supers was roughly the same. This way they offer $600 GPU, 20% faster $800 GPU and another 20% faster $1000 GPU. Lower end one must be the best product in terms of value. Higher end one must be much faster, to make people buy it. The middle one is neither here, nor there.
Still disagree. For those of us that want more VRAM, to run RT (finally), and upgrading from earlier than 3000 series, it’s a nice card. Dan Owen shows with Alan wake 2 that new games with RT easily push past 12 GB VRAM which is a trend likely to continue. Before you say to go for the 4080 super, sure, that’s an option, but that’s another $200+, not always small form factor compatible, not as efficient. I think the 4070 ti super isn’t AS great as we’d hope but it’s a decent uplift in 10% and for $800 buckaroonies it’s fine. I think the 4070 super for $600 is overpriced and going up to 4080 super for $1000 is what Nvidia wants you to do (and is not in the budget for some peeps). 4070 super at $450 would be a no brainer purchase. TI super at $650 ideally.
Steve at HUB said it best. VRAM won't affect framerates much and the ONLY way to judge is to look at texture quality Easily demonstrated in games like Halo Infinite at 4K max settings. A 12GB GPU will struggle and look bad even though the framerates for the Super and Non-Super would be the same. VRAM is not about more FPS but better quality textures!
The other thing is how you can reduce from max settings to just “high” and likely not notice the difference aka diminishing returns which would help with the VRAM constraints.
I'm thinking getting myself this inno card, not for gaming but for AI workloads, i thinbk the 4070 ti super 16gb is the "okayest" ( if that even a word) on the market.
12:25 CP2077 scores: have you looked at the unusual discrepancy with the RTX3080 12GB outperforming the RTX3080Ti 🤦🤦♂🤦♀by about ~8% in fps…… I find that odd 🧐
Well this certainly deserves a subscrition, even as I unsubscribe to almost all the bigger tech reviewers. So why? Because your numbers reflect the most accurate data that can be found on youtube is why. It's accurate above all others. You clearly painstakingly put in the work to do retesting with the latest drivers which reflect improvements over time in hardware performance with the latest driver releases. Others do not do that being lazy, including lauded sites like Tech Powerup. They are notorious for having inaccurate information in real time now. I'm a stickler for accuracy. Always have, always will be. I've been arguing for weeks that the 7800XT trades blows with 4070Ti and handily beats it half the time in rasterization performance. Of course the Nvidia fanboys scoff and have a hissy fit when I assert this. You can't tell them nothing to save them some money. They are bent on feeding Nvidia their last dime. It's like they have a gambling addition and it now resembles a mental illness. Your numbers verify my findings and reflect what I too am seeing at home. Great job!
in my country Inno3d is the only one which is at least purchasable, rest is impossible. So i was curious to know how is inno3d, can i go with this brand?
Upscaling is fake frames, lol. It's nice for some setups for sure, but raster performance should still remain the baseline, as Nvidia really wants us to always look at FPS charts now while DLSS is enabled. Let's not deviate from what has been the standard for decades now.
Simple decision really. If you are not interested in RT and DLSS or CUDA for workflow and AI, go team red and save some cash. If you need RT and DLSS and CUDA for workflow and AI go team green.
Really appreciate the teardown! Only would want to see more close up shots at componets used and shot of the back of the pcb in that section of the video. Even like this, your reviews are the most valuable to someone like me. DLSS comparison between cards is also really interesting. Keep'em coming. Thank you!
I think the problem is that in time, you need more vram to run high textures. Having more vram prolongs the life span of a video card. That's how I understand it.
It's making no difference cause current games so far not hitting said limit at 1440p, but it's getting there like Remnant2, AW2 with PT enabled, no one is questioning the performance, 4070 is quite powerful gpu afterall, what they question is futureproofing, when we already have such an example like 3070 vs 6800
Steve at HUB said it best. VRAM won't affect framerates much and the ONLY way to judge is to look at texture quality Easily demonstrated in games like Halo Infinite at 4K max settings. A 12GB GPU will struggle and look bad even though the framerates for the Super and Non-Super would be the same. VRAM is not about more FPS but better quality textures!
Windforce is the very base model > Gaming OC has better vrms and cooling > Aorus is the best. So you'll have to check the price diffence and other brands.
@@Jmack1lla Yeah, but most people keep their card for morethan one generation. Still I don't think the 4070 Super is a 4K card. And at 1440P with DLSS the VRAM won't be a problem for some time I think. Running it at 1440P with no upscaling I can see the 12 GB VRAM becoming a problem.
@@Jmack1lla "future proof" does not exist. Never has. But some cards last longer than others. Even a RTX 4090 won't be a 4K card in a few years time. It's the reason that for now I use a 240 refresh 1440P OLED with my RTX 4090, and I will only get a 4K OLED when the RTX 6090 is out.
"4070 super is the sweet spot and you're not going to max out 16gb at 1440" Really? My 7900XT hit 15.5GB of vram usage at 1440p ultra preset 2 days ago. Nvidia's got a problem. Them being greedy and stingy with the RAM has come back to bite them already. as it should.
I think in a couple of weeks when we get new drivers from Nvidia the performance will be uplifted enough to make a good difference. Also this cards main value is the 16gb of ram where a 800$ card with 12gb is just to much. I have seen plenty of tests where at 4k the difference is about 10% on average between the old and new card. Like TPU website. So in my opinion it is a big win to buy this card over the old one and mine is arriving tomorrow. The Asus Tuf Gaming rtx 4070 TI S. This is a great card with low temps and even more important low noise and the Gigabyte and Inno3D are like vacuum cleaners inside your pc. As an open bench is not the real life situation and the fans will only get louder. The Windforce in that regard is a horrible card that should be avoided at any cost unless you are deaf.
The price gap between the "MSI GAMING TRIO CLASSIC RX 7900 XTX" and the "MSI GAMING X SLIM RTX 4070 Ti SUPER" is just £20. Can we have a detailed comparison focusing on power consumption and pure raster performance for these two graphics cards?
It looks like the real heavy demanding games dont seem favourable at all , so much for new games they wont sell well with that type of very poor performances .
Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me? I even clearly said about their being severe bottlenecks or did you miss that part? You should do some work.
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People giving a lot of flack against 4070 TI Super but that 4GB VRAM and wider bus really helps in 4k gaming. If you want good 4k gaming but don't want to pay 1k then get the 4070 TI Super.
^^^There is a collective consciousness around the 4070 ti super for some reason. Everyone is complaining about all around better specs for the same money. Weird times we live in.
Exactly! When reviewing the 4070ti, everyone was complaining it needed more VRAM and wider bus. Now it has it.
Thanks for reviewing the Inno3D’s dual slot 2 fan card! Hopefully we’ll see more “small” cards in the future that are compatible with many more sff cases.
Just bough that model of the 4070 Super, should arrive by tomorrow, pretty excited to put it on my Zalman M2 Mini.
Can you tell if it has coil whine and what is its power limit and can you increase it and OC@@smarquez42
@@TheDeadman264 have bought a inno 3d i chill x3 4070ti super and i am very happy with this card very little coil whine and very good temperature
how is it going?@@smarquez42
Inno3D 4070 Ti Super is extremely underrated. Fits tiny cases like the Velka 5 (two fan version) and Dan A4 (three fan version).
I wish reviewers would add and compare coil whine levels.
Really important for me when deciding on a card.
As an itx builder smaller single or dual-fan gpus are of interest to me 🥰👍.
Zotac nearly got it right with their RTX4070 (non-super) twin edge model ….. it just needed about 3mm cut off the plastic shroud to be a perfect fit for my sff HTPC for both gaming and streaming needs 💪🧐😇👍.
At this current GPU cycle, Nvidia, and AMD need to drop their current MSRP/ RRP of their mid range ~$500 by a good $100USD and their higher end ~$800 by $150USD with these refreshes etc imo to make them worth while.
So much for people arguing that it was gonna get close to 4080 performance what a joke. 7900 XT looking good seen the sapphire pulse for 709.99 on Amazon US
$50-$100 difference is about right for the 2 cards to be competitive with each other. That's right about where AMD and Nvidia like to keep it for cards in the same class. Although while I decided on 4070 Super over the 7800XT, here I think the 7900XT is the better buy.
I can see driver support in the next few weeks helping with performance a bit, but for the most part.. yea this aint it
The best non biased benchmark of this card by far. Thanks you. One not is it is actually more expensive than the 4070ti was as there are no founders edition so it will never be 799$ until sales in the future.
I just bought Gigabyte version you have here. Your review help me with that. I am testing it now, but there is some room for overclocking, it is quite, good looking, but for me most important was 261mm length, because I can´t put big cards in case. I had previous card watercooled. But..so far I am not sure if there will be waterblock for this card. On the front side of card are three screw holes, but there wasn´t any holder in package.
Never heard of Inno3D but their card looks great. That and the Asus ProArt series and FE. All other designs are heavily outdated.
4070 Super looking better now that the 4070 TI Super is a dud.
This was expected, to be honest.
Yeah your best options for money is 4070 super or 4080 super FE
@@stangamer1151Actually many predicted it's gonne be close with 4080, and gonna smoke 7900xt on raster, and makes sense when you consider stat improvement, but in reality it's closer to 4070ti rather than 4080.
@@tomthomas3499 Taking into account the fact that 4080 Super will be just ~5% faster than base 4080, it was naive to think that 4070 Ti Super would get close to 4080. Nvidia needs to segment their products, so that the difference in performance between all 3 Supers was roughly the same. This way they offer $600 GPU, 20% faster $800 GPU and another 20% faster $1000 GPU. Lower end one must be the best product in terms of value. Higher end one must be much faster, to make people buy it. The middle one is neither here, nor there.
Still disagree. For those of us that want more VRAM, to run RT (finally), and upgrading from earlier than 3000 series, it’s a nice card. Dan Owen shows with Alan wake 2 that new games with RT easily push past 12 GB VRAM which is a trend likely to continue. Before you say to go for the 4080 super, sure, that’s an option, but that’s another $200+, not always small form factor compatible, not as efficient. I think the 4070 ti super isn’t AS great as we’d hope but it’s a decent uplift in 10% and for $800 buckaroonies it’s fine. I think the 4070 super for $600 is overpriced and going up to 4080 super for $1000 is what Nvidia wants you to do (and is not in the budget for some peeps). 4070 super at $450 would be a no brainer purchase. TI super at $650 ideally.
Steve at HUB said it best. VRAM won't affect framerates much and the ONLY way to judge is to look at texture quality Easily demonstrated in games like Halo Infinite at 4K max settings. A 12GB GPU will struggle and look bad even though the framerates for the Super and Non-Super would be the same. VRAM is not about more FPS but better quality textures!
The other thing is how you can reduce from max settings to just “high” and likely not notice the difference aka diminishing returns which would help with the VRAM constraints.
I'm thinking getting myself this inno card, not for gaming but for AI workloads, i thinbk the 4070 ti super 16gb is the "okayest" ( if that even a word) on the market.
12:25 CP2077 scores: have you looked at the unusual discrepancy with the RTX3080 12GB outperforming the RTX3080Ti 🤦🤦♂🤦♀by about ~8% in fps…… I find that odd 🧐
Coming from a 2060! Can't wait to install it!
Similar performance in terms of fps for sure, but for those looking for gaming in 1440p or 4k will require the extra vram offered in 4070 Ti Super.
Nice review. 😊 Does the inno3d also have a no rpm fan mode?
I'm happy with my 7800xt 😎
Yep!
It's not gaming oc as its written in the time codes. It is WINDFORCE OC.
Fixed.
Can i ask something about the Inno3D? Do you need to damaged the warranty sticker for tearing down?
Will a ryzen 5 7600x and a 4070 ti super bottleneck?
nop
It will bottleneck your bank account
@@JahonCross 😭😭👍
Well this certainly deserves a subscrition, even as I unsubscribe to almost all the bigger tech reviewers. So why? Because your numbers reflect the most accurate data that can be found on youtube is why. It's accurate above all others. You clearly painstakingly put in the work to do retesting with the latest drivers which reflect improvements over time in hardware performance with the latest driver releases. Others do not do that being lazy, including lauded sites like Tech Powerup. They are notorious for having inaccurate information in real time now. I'm a stickler for accuracy. Always have, always will be. I've been arguing for weeks that the 7800XT trades blows with 4070Ti and handily beats it half the time in rasterization performance. Of course the Nvidia fanboys scoff and have a hissy fit when I assert this. You can't tell them nothing to save them some money. They are bent on feeding Nvidia their last dime. It's like they have a gambling addition and it now resembles a mental illness. Your numbers verify my findings and reflect what I too am seeing at home. Great job!
pity there is no noise comparison
This
in my country Inno3d is the only one which is at least purchasable, rest is impossible. So i was curious to know how is inno3d, can i go with this brand?
did yuh bought it bro??? how much it is costing
I am jumping in to this coming from GTX 1060 time to retire this card after 7 yrs
do you think 4070 Ti Super will be fine with 650W PSU? I have the MSI MPG 650W Gold Modular.
Works great in my Intel Nuc i9 with 650w
it recommends a 750 watt psu but if you don't have a lot of rgb and stuff drawing extra power you should be fine
Upscaling is fake frames, lol. It's nice for some setups for sure, but raster performance should still remain the baseline, as Nvidia really wants us to always look at FPS charts now while DLSS is enabled. Let's not deviate from what has been the standard for decades now.
so with 2 fans of inno3d GPU can have thermal as good as 3 fans of gigabyte ?
Honestly, if it is a $700 card with 12GB of vram (256 bit) with this amount of CUDA core. It would be much better.
Isnt cost per frame of 4070 SUPER wrong? Its priced $549 , same as 4070 non super
Simple decision really. If you are not interested in RT and DLSS or CUDA for workflow and AI, go team red and save some cash. If you need RT and DLSS and CUDA for workflow and AI go team green.
Really appreciate the teardown! Only would want to see more close up shots at componets used and shot of the back of the pcb in that section of the video. Even like this, your reviews are the most valuable to someone like me.
DLSS comparison between cards is also really interesting. Keep'em coming.
Thank you!
I need a smaller card (
How much power limit can be increased?
Can you adjust power limit on the windforce OC?
so the 256bit and the 4GB extra VRAM made no difference, I guess Nvidia knew it all along that's why they went with 12GB with the older version
I think the problem is that in time, you need more vram to run high textures. Having more vram prolongs the life span of a video card. That's how I understand it.
@@Jmack1lla My thoughts exactly
It's making no difference cause current games so far not hitting said limit at 1440p, but it's getting there like Remnant2, AW2 with PT enabled, no one is questioning the performance, 4070 is quite powerful gpu afterall, what they question is futureproofing, when we already have such an example like 3070 vs 6800
More VRAM is not for extra performance, but for better texture quality.
Steve at HUB said it best. VRAM won't affect framerates much and the ONLY way to judge is to look at texture quality Easily demonstrated in games like Halo Infinite at 4K max settings. A 12GB GPU will struggle and look bad even though the framerates for the Super and Non-Super would be the same. VRAM is not about more FPS but better quality textures!
Do you recommend the windforce model? It is cheap where i live
Windforce is the very base model > Gaming OC has better vrms and cooling > Aorus is the best. So you'll have to check the price diffence and other brands.
4070 super is the sweet spot and you're not going to max out 16gb at 1440 and its not powerful enough for 4K so not worth the money.
@@Jmack1lla Yeah, but most people keep their card for morethan one generation. Still I don't think the 4070 Super is a 4K card. And at 1440P with DLSS the VRAM won't be a problem for some time I think. Running it at 1440P with no upscaling I can see the 12 GB VRAM becoming a problem.
@@Jmack1lla "future proof" does not exist. Never has. But some cards last longer than others. Even a RTX 4090 won't be a 4K card in a few years time. It's the reason that for now I use a 240 refresh 1440P OLED with my RTX 4090, and I will only get a 4K OLED when the RTX 6090 is out.
"4070 super is the sweet spot and you're not going to max out 16gb at 1440"
Really? My 7900XT hit 15.5GB of vram usage at 1440p ultra preset 2 days ago. Nvidia's got a problem. Them being greedy and stingy with the RAM has come back to bite them already. as it should.
@@nossy232323 It alrerady is a problem. Serves em right for being greedy.
@@Jmack1lla Who said anything about allocated? Utilization was above 15.5GB.
I think in a couple of weeks when we get new drivers from Nvidia the performance will be uplifted enough to make a good difference. Also this cards main value is the 16gb of ram where a 800$ card with 12gb is just to much. I have seen plenty of tests where at 4k the difference is about 10% on average between the old and new card. Like TPU website.
So in my opinion it is a big win to buy this card over the old one and mine is arriving tomorrow. The Asus Tuf Gaming rtx 4070 TI S. This is a great card with low temps and even more important low noise and the Gigabyte and Inno3D are like vacuum cleaners inside your pc. As an open bench is not the real life situation and the fans will only get louder. The Windforce in that regard is a horrible card that should be avoided at any cost unless you are deaf.
Would you give us an opinion now that you have it ? Struggling to make a choice I might even consider the 4080 super at this point
Having to return the $800 Asus Tuf card due to coil whine.
Real Price at your home country is whats matter, rx 7900 xt is 25usd higher on mine so no brainer rtx 4070 ti super for me.
I see better performance uplift with the ASUS 4070 ti Super TUFF, maybe this is another case of V-Bios issues like the MSI ventus.
As a fellow 4070 ti super owner, we most def will see boosts in bios and driver fixes. :)
The price gap between the "MSI GAMING TRIO CLASSIC RX 7900 XTX" and the "MSI GAMING X SLIM RTX 4070 Ti SUPER" is just £20. Can we have a detailed comparison focusing on power consumption and pure raster performance for these two graphics cards?
I don’t have those models so sadly not. Feel free to hassle MSI uk on socials to get them to send them to us and I’ll happily look at them.
where undervolt
How much the minimum fan rpm on Inno3D ?
0rpm
drivers
could be the case
can you review 4070 ti super asus tuf "non OC" vs gigabye gaming oc
It looks like the real heavy demanding games dont seem favourable at all ,
so much for new games they wont sell well with that type of very poor performances .
спасибо за информацию
Good job!
I hope it wont cost greater than $1k in Russia.
Shame for this man. He fourget india
@@RanjakarPatel inno3d costs around 80k now. Gigabyte around 90
@@BhavishSReddy thx bhai
I'll stay with the 4090, nice video.
Think I'm done with Nvidia. This wasn't what I was expecting from the supers.
I'm upgrading from a 1080 ti xD
Sorry guys but I realy cant belive your tests. 18:57, the 4070 super is faster that the 4070ti and the ti super ? You guys should do some work.
Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me? I even clearly said about their being severe bottlenecks or did you miss that part? You should do some work.
Then what are you even Testing ?
@@Jaschka92turn on your brain...
zotac 4070 ti super in amazon Spain is 1100 euros
nice
Hopefully in a month after a few driver updates this changes, and gets a price cut too