Incredible Isandlwana Wargame

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
  • This week on Little Wars TV, we'll march alongside the doomed British invasion of Zululand in 1879. Steve has some surprises in store for this special episode as he discusses the context of the greatest British military defeat in their colonial era. Then, four players re-fight this incredible battle on a custom tabletop, with thousands of hand-painted 6mm Zulus. Can our British players hold out longer than their historical counter-parts by adopting a different defensive game-plan?
    All of the miniatures in this game are made by Baccus 6mm. Baccus is an official sponsor of Little Wars TV and one of our absolute favorite miniature manufacturers. We encourage you to check out their colonial range, as well as the many other historical periods they cover: www.baccus6mm.com
    The rules used for the game are a modified version of Osprey Publishing's "The Men Who Would Be Kings." You can learn more here: ospreypublishi...
    If you want to see exactly how we modified these skirmish-level rules for a mass battle, those tweaks as well as the complete scenario can be downloaded 100% free on our site: www.LittleWarsT...
    [Five Armies by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution license (creativecommon.... Source: incompetech.com.... Artist: incompetech.com/]

Комментарии • 355

  • @TheArmchairHistorian
    @TheArmchairHistorian 4 года назад +264

    Awesome wargame guys, I've to invite some friends over and try out this scenario!

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +73

      Better yet, you should join us for a game! We're big fans of yours here at LWTV.

    • @TheArmchairHistorian
      @TheArmchairHistorian 4 года назад +58

      @@LittleWarsTV Where are you guys located?

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +68

      @@TheArmchairHistorian Our club's war room is based in York, PA. We've been playing wargames one night a week for 18 years running! The invite to you is absolutely open. Your content is outstanding and we were saddened--but not surprised--to hear the Google Thought Police found your military history "too edgy."

    • @TheArmchairHistorian
      @TheArmchairHistorian 4 года назад +73

      @@LittleWarsTV I'm literally two hours away, I'm up north around Allentown, PA haha. We could definitely set something up, I'll shoot you guys an email. And thank you, I've been watching your content for a while now too and I'm a big fan. Recently the demonetization problem has been getting better thankfully!

    • @Zhovm3
      @Zhovm3 3 года назад +23

      Now this is epic

  • @scottwambold7059
    @scottwambold7059 4 года назад +138

    These cold opens are getting better and better, this one was well worth the wait!

  • @robertmoffitt1336
    @robertmoffitt1336 4 года назад +42

    Little Wars TV is simply brilliant. The history you guys bring alive is really a fantastic thing for anyone not familiar with the subjects you guys cover. Never Forget; Never Forgotten.

  • @douglasdaniel4504
    @douglasdaniel4504 4 года назад +70

    Okay, I'm only 1:33 into the video, and I'm already yelling, "LAAGER!! LAAGER NOW!!!"
    Seriously, this shows the Brits were in deep bantha poodoo no matter what they did, given the disparity in numbers and the fact that Chelmsford divided his force to chase phantom enemy formations. Excellent video. Subscribed.

    • @HarryFlashmanVC
      @HarryFlashmanVC 3 года назад +5

      I think both Pullaine and Durnford realised how much trouble they were in and they would be unlikely to survive this, especially Durnford.

    • @billschnelzer9943
      @billschnelzer9943 2 года назад +3

      I used to have the Battle of the Little Bighorn game with Custer. I was a good game player with other war games and usually won. I was Custer in this game and it did not end well for me! I write this because the British and Custer's men learned the same thing. Don't mess with the natives!

    • @LesterMoore
      @LesterMoore Год назад +2

      I don't understand why Pulleine didn't use the topography to it's full offering.
      Pull his left flank back to use Islandwana heights to squeeze the Zulu chest to shrink so that the artillery could volley into swollen ranks with canister. Place some of his better marksmen on the Islandwana heights to perform harassing fire as well as acting lookout, perhaps seeing and signaling Pulleine about the right horn. Not having a topographical map in my hands I cannot remark further as to use of rise, fall and gully obstacle use. Regardless Pulleine was sorely outnumbered with scant chance to summon side. A well played engagement by the British side.

  • @modelsfromscratch
    @modelsfromscratch 4 года назад +45

    Epic fight, great terrain and minis. Thanks for another entertaining (and let's not forget informative) episode, chaps👍🏻

  • @yaitz3313
    @yaitz3313 4 года назад +142

    So, now that you've got a pretty much historical result here, are you going to do a Rorke's Drift that follows this Isandlwana and see if that goes historically too?
    Since there are going to be fewer Zulus, I think it would be likely to go historically too.

    • @andymoore9977
      @andymoore9977 4 года назад +4

      At least 4000 Zulus at the drift.

    • @john-peterhundt5662
      @john-peterhundt5662 4 года назад +11

      I tried to recreate Rorks Drift in 25mm figures on my 4ft by 8ft table. I had only 24 Brits and about 200 Zulus (all I had). Not even close to the odds at Rorks Drift. (They had more Zulus) I ignored the fact that the Zulus had a few rifles. I gave the Brits any advantage I could regarding morale and fortified possitions. Lots of Zulus died but eventually they closed with the Brits and it only took a few turns of hand to hand combat before the Brits were killed. I was satisfied with the game results. They reflected what I expected to happen but this did not reflect the actual outcome of the actual battle. don't know what the British had that I didn't allow for. Perhaps if I replaced the rifles with machine guns.

    • @Malinski66
      @Malinski66 4 года назад +16

      @@john-peterhundt5662 most rules systems fail to account for the morale 'slump' after a failed first attack; second attack; third attack ... after a certain point only the most insane or personally injured will 'go into the breach' of such a solid defense.

    • @john-peterhundt5662
      @john-peterhundt5662 4 года назад +10

      @@Malinski66 I had a variety of Zulu troop quality classes from A really "gung Ho" to D "rather be someplace else". As the units came within rifle range the losses were high and those units shot at, faultered but the better quality troops made it to impact. Since the Zulus had overwelming odds their reaction tests (for units without casualties) were good enough to continue. It's a game and rules can only aproximate what might happen. As I said, I felt the results were realistic from my point of view but I was not there - fortunately.

    • @nicholaswalsh4462
      @nicholaswalsh4462 2 года назад +2

      @@john-peterhundt5662 actually the Zulus withdrew because a relief column was on the horizon and they weren't even supposed to be there anyways.

  • @georgeanderson6349
    @georgeanderson6349 4 года назад +41

    Superb show and one of my favourite battles. The ammunition story has in the main been debunked now, I believe the distance between the ammo and the firing line was a big problem, oh and a lot of Zulus.

    • @andymoore9977
      @andymoore9977 4 года назад +1

      Yes, George, that is as I understand it.

    • @nowthisnamestaken
      @nowthisnamestaken 4 года назад +6

      I thought the firing line itself was the problem long and thin it could not defend in depth. The bayonet square with the ammo boxes in the center was the way to roll at the base of the mountain. This one was 'Pilot error' and a bad cause to start with.

    • @andymoore9977
      @andymoore9977 4 года назад

      @@nowthisnamestaken Hi, I am curious about what do you mean by 'Pilot error' and a bad cause. I think the square was a good opinion, but even a square would be unlikely to withstand such overwhelming odds.

    • @nowthisnamestaken
      @nowthisnamestaken 4 года назад +4

      @@@andymoore9977 Hi, I mean bad leadership by 'pilot error' Bad cause would relate to the situation they are in - A partial force divided and subdivided, unable to support each other, fighting a far numerical enemy then dividing itself in half leaving the other half unsupported. Also there are racist undertones that lead them to underestimate the Zulu fighting ability and tactics. Same as Custer.
      Fighting in a long thin firing line gives the Zulu the most frontage possible to use their forces to the maximum. The human wave vs the thin line means once the line is breached the flank is turned and the rout begins. This is what happened
      My strategy would have to be loose skirmishers close to camp falling back into square at the base of the hill using the wagon lager. Guns between the wagons colonial troops standing behind the British and the natives without guns in the center. Cut the Calvary loose to harry the flanks of the horseless Zulus. Give the Zulus too little room for maneuver while taking volleys to the face. They may not have had a chance but I think it would have been a better chance. The beauty of Monday mornings yeah?
      800 Regulars is a pretty small force but if you don't want the 1000 allied colonial forces to flee as they always do, you have to "corset" them up-stiffen up the backbones. Some of these natives had NO guns and would have been best employed behind the men that did. The losses of the colonial troops compared to the starting numbers and the Zulu ownership of the field tell us that half of them fled the field while only about 60 British survived. The British obviously went down swinging or were run down while their native "allies" had a good head start running away.
      It happens to us Now in Afghanistan. it happened in Niger. Benghazi. It happens everywhere.
      it would have been better to keep the entire force together and in sight of each other
      Sorry for the long answer. I hope that gets it.

    • @andymoore9977
      @andymoore9977 4 года назад +1

      @@nowthisnamestaken Hi, your plan does seem to have an element of Ulundi about it where a huge mobile square was used to attack the Zulu kraal and end the war. Is that what inspired your thinking or am I taking a leap too far?

  • @tomoslewis9656
    @tomoslewis9656 3 года назад +31

    I wish all American documentary makers would take lessons from your channel. Concise, informative and fun.

  • @Nigel296
    @Nigel296 4 года назад +14

    Brilliant episode guys. Just gets better and better. 6mm really shows the panorama of this battle, the Zulu host vs such a small force of brave Welshmen. Respect to the men of Harlech, and those incredible brave Zulus who basically charged the Martini Henry, armed with a spear and a cow hide shield. How do you motivate a man to do that?

    • @lesdodoclips3915
      @lesdodoclips3915 2 года назад +2

      Welsh? They were British. And despite the film “Zulu” portraying the defenders of rorkes drift as Welsh, most of them were English.

    • @muffinlord3168
      @muffinlord3168 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@lesdodoclips3915 Welsh people are British...

    • @UnknownUser4563
      @UnknownUser4563 Месяц назад

      The soldiers there were English dipshit not Welsh, despite the film Zulu portraying them as welsh

  • @tyrian_baal
    @tyrian_baal 4 года назад +23

    Hey, I’d like to say thank you for making these extraordinary battle reports.These are the funniest one’s I’ve seen, and because of this channel I’ve painted up my own Roman and Carthaginian armies. Though it seems no one else at school plays, but just painting the models is fun in itself, thank you!

  • @williamrthompsonjr556
    @williamrthompsonjr556 4 года назад +7

    I think this game demonstrates that the British could have done even better if they were better led. I've seen it suggested that the British could have turned their wagons on their sides, creating a makeshift fort, as was done at Rorkes Drift, keeping the Zulu Asagis at arms length, and creating a more easily defended perimeter. The cavalry would also been better off defending from behind cover, if it had been available, and they could have reached it. The people distributing the ammunition, would have been less exposed, too. It would be interesting seeing the battle fought again, using those "what ifs".

  • @carlosnieve1225
    @carlosnieve1225 4 года назад +41

    Wow! Can’t say that I expected the tour of South Africa!
    Really looking forward to the rest of this series

  • @NeoConNET7
    @NeoConNET7 4 года назад +18

    I had the biggest smile when I saw this video in my feed. Another awesome battle!

  • @christopherwebber3804
    @christopherwebber3804 2 года назад +4

    Terrific video. Used to have a lot of fun playing Rorkes Driift in 25mm using skirmish rules on the anniversary of the battle - every British soldier had his name on the base. There were so many Zuius we had to use whatever was available, including goblins, to represent them. It was great fun seeing the fight on the roof and through the hospital as the Zulus set fire to the building and the combat went into the night. My friend played the sound track from the film Zulu in the background. Sometimes the Zulus won, but not always!.

  • @HethwillWargames
    @HethwillWargames 4 года назад +10

    Ah ! What a battle chaps. A true "nail biter" to the end. Looking forward to the extras and must say that the armies look magnificent. Last but not least, would be awesome to have a special about using 6mm/10mm playing rulesets for larger scales.
    Note: really like how you guys took the "realistic" approach of sending someone out with the word and giving the scenario a touch of authenticity as opposed to a "gamey" decision of having it on the table just because you could.
    Snappy Salute. An awesome episode.

  • @PaulMclauchlin
    @PaulMclauchlin 4 года назад +8

    I have visited Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift myself so that was great to see Steve's film from the battlefield. The terrain, figures and game were outstanding. A brilliant episode.

  • @brandonmusler9468
    @brandonmusler9468 4 года назад +5

    Great job guys. Really a pleasure to see wargamers do their due diligence, historical research-wise, prior to playing. The problem with playing Isandlwana, or any battle involving tactical surprise, is the whole 10,000' general syndrome. But at least you tried to address the command and control issues on some level. I don't know the rule set. Hearing that they were skirmish rules from Osprey made me fear a ridiculous result but things seemed to work out reasonably well despite the inevitable acceptance of Mike Snook's view that the British troopers remained Zulu-slaying automatons to the very end. (That didn't really happen according to the Zulu survivors...but it pleases Anglophiles to believe otherwise.) Does this mean that if Pulleine was alerted to the Zulu threat before it appeared, and if he had actual battle experience, (and therefore exercised better tactical judgement/command and control during the engagement,) as well as unflagging morale among both the British and Native troops present the colonial force would have been engulfed and destroyed anyway? Yes, it does. Neither Pulleine nor Durnford can reasonably be held responsible for the defeat. That blame lays with Chelmsford who somehow allowed an enormous enemy force to be encamped undetected a short march from his base...and then took half his force away to weaken that vulnerable position even further. In other words this battle was decided the moment it began and this replay reflected that reality -- so my hat if off to you!

  • @raaven616gaming6
    @raaven616gaming6 4 года назад +27

    I was thinking about this battle today and just how similar this was to Custer's Last stand. Both U.S. and British armies faced an inferior native tribal yet larger armies. Both U.S. and British forces were commanded by ego driven commanders. Both battles involved open terrain and tactics although fairly basic were also similar. Both Native armies swarmed their enemies and through attrition won out. Both European and U.S. were armed with superior weapons but these weapons also had an limit of which was ammunition. Once the bullets were gone, that was it, they were left to the very basics of weapons, knives and bayonets. Natives had spears/shields. Indian tribes had bows/axes/spears and horses. The end result for both battles was the annihilation of Euro/U.S. armies... and today both battle sights commemorate the victor and the loser. :)

    • @bellator11
      @bellator11 4 года назад +14

      Actually the indians at Little Big Horn were armed in large numbers with the Winchester repeating rifle, which according to many historians was a deciding factor as it allowed them to pour continuous rapid fire onto Custers men who by comparison were armed pretty much entirely with Springfield singleshot carbines.
      By comparison at Isandlwana only a few firearms were employed by the Zulu, less than 1%, and were mostly old muskets. Hence the Zulu's won the day at Isandlwana due mainly to clever tactics on their part, whilst at the same time the British underestimated their foe. Had the British been quick to form a tighter defence I believe things could've turned out different, but based on the starting position of both forces I doubt it could've resulted in a British victory, more likely just a lot more Zulu casualties.
      Question is, if you've got a ~1,000 man square, i.e. a 250 man firing line on all four sides, could it have held back 20,000 Zulus ?

    • @raaven616gaming6
      @raaven616gaming6 4 года назад +4

      @@bellator11 www.historynet.com/battle-of-little-bighorn-were-the-weapons-the-deciding-factor.htm... a soldier/survivor of one company belonging to the 7th Cav puts the Indians at half using bows and arrows... The other half using a mix lot of carbines and repeaters. By ratio of man vs. man 7th Cav was outnumbered.. so the half ratio of indians using guns... could very well be the = proportion to the 7th Cav fighting.

    • @nowthisnamestaken
      @nowthisnamestaken 4 года назад +2

      Great comment. Bravo!! I'd like to add that each commanders concern was how they were going to keep the enemy from escaping and also forcing them into battle. They both took risks they should not have. Each commander decided to divide his force into three parts, Only one part being destroyed to give name to the battle.

    • @willb8684
      @willb8684 4 года назад

      @@bellator11 i would not call it clever tactics mostly British obliging annihilation...spiting your forces in the face of massive enemy is stupid...as afar as pincer attack bye the zulu and picking that ground it is pretty obvious

    • @bellator11
      @bellator11 4 года назад +3

      @@willb8684 Call it what you will, but based on the equipment they had available the Zulus played their cards pretty well, where'as the British failed to put their superior equipment to proper use. Immediately adopting a defensive square could've potentially saved the British from annihilation on that day, but instead the lines were stretched thin and the flanks left open to attack.

  • @CBfrmcardiff
    @CBfrmcardiff 4 года назад +8

    12:00 - 12:37 - he's got our lingo right. That is roughly the language one would expect to hear from the officer class back in the past.

  • @ethicaltoby7807
    @ethicaltoby7807 4 года назад +18

    Please play rorke's drift next! PLLEEASSEEE the same volley fire tactics will show their effect.

  • @michaelbrandt5416
    @michaelbrandt5416 Год назад +2

    Hi guys. I had no idea there were figures in the scale of 6mm. I have a fair number of colonial war figures, british and Zulu, painted and non-painted, in the scale of 1/72 as well as the famous Roarkes Drift buildings. I also have a number of games on the subject. Table top gaming is new to me. I started using 15mm figures from Warlord Games, covering the American Civil War. Later i got the Napoleonic era of same scale figures plus buildings and terrain. Two things bother me, though. First, the rules are so vast concerning firing, moving, retreating, etc. I use more time consulting the rule book than actually playing a game. Secondly, figures are stuck on a base, so you have to place a casualty marker for every hit, making it look silly having a surviving base of figures with a number of tokens beside it, rather than playing with individual figures that can be knocked down as they take a hit, or removed in case of wound. I stick to board games but like to set up dioramas using figures of different time periods, which makes table top war-gaming looking so good. Keep up the good work.

  • @kommando293
    @kommando293 4 года назад +10

    Yeah I was absolutely blasting “Rorkes Drift” by Sabaton in my head for this.
    Also... even if they didn’t speak Zulu... it’s a nice attempt

    • @jakobming4831
      @jakobming4831 4 года назад

      Kommando293 it was the same with me but that song covers the battle that followed this one

    • @nowthisnamestaken
      @nowthisnamestaken 4 года назад

      I just went and listened, cool song. Thanks!

    • @radec5437
      @radec5437 4 года назад +1

      @Ndfan92 SHOW THEM NO MERCY

    • @SaiyanJinx
      @SaiyanJinx 3 года назад +2

      @@radec5437 *AND FIRE AT WILL*

  • @killercollblue
    @killercollblue 4 года назад +7

    Gentlemen at Little Wars TV congratulations on one of the best wargaming videos I have seen. Loved the opening as well as the weapons and cheers used. You guys are such a blast to watch, the battlefield, the vast hordes of minis, the few brits, the humour, camaraderie shown and the humour make your club second to none. Well done to the British for keeping it as close as possible. Roark's Drift next????

  • @davidcollins2648
    @davidcollins2648 3 года назад +4

    Beautiful job creating the board. I for one would be very interested to see how it was made. Quite the dedication to paint all those Zulus. Great job on everything.

  • @lempereurzoom1374
    @lempereurzoom1374 4 года назад +4

    Very good episode, once more time!
    Bravo!
    :-)
    Always jealous to see you on the battle fields at the end of the world!

  • @martinradcliffe4798
    @martinradcliffe4798 4 года назад +7

    Wow- what a great game! Really illustrated the disparity of numbers.

  • @andymoore9977
    @andymoore9977 4 года назад +6

    12:25 Delightful use of understatement! Wellington would have been proud.

  • @jeffhess4650
    @jeffhess4650 4 года назад +4

    Great game guys. I remember playing a board game version in 1978 or so where the each British soldier had an individual counter and the Zulu forces were sized at 10 Zulus per counter. The British could win if they could hold off the Zulus with volley fire, but if the Zulu made contact, the fight was all over.

  • @Zain-fi
    @Zain-fi 2 года назад +3

    The col pulleine guy genuinely seemed nervous which actually made the roll play realistic and the beginning brief cool!!!

  • @mrhype1616
    @mrhype1616 4 года назад +4

    I absolutely loved this map. Sad I'll only get to see it once. But wonderful video guys. I loved seeing it and it made me smile.

  • @ddpresearch07
    @ddpresearch07 2 года назад +1

    When the Zulu King heard about the losses suffered at Isandlwana and Rorke’s Drift he cried “An Assagai has been thrust into the belly of the Zulu nation.”

  • @nullnone9233
    @nullnone9233 4 года назад +2

    this channel deserves way more subs
    like if you agree

  • @StormofSteelWargaming
    @StormofSteelWargaming 4 года назад +2

    Excellent video. Having visited the battlefield myself, I really liked the accuracy of the table. Great work!

  • @ericbales82
    @ericbales82 2 года назад +2

    I love all of these wargaming videos... you guys make them fun, funny, and entertaining... keep up the great work

  • @killercollblue
    @killercollblue 4 года назад +2

    Btw how in the world could anyone give this a thumbs down? Bizarre.

  • @thedourat4463
    @thedourat4463 4 года назад +3

    Good morning Little wars! It was a pleasure to have you at Fugitives Drift and the video is fantastic! There are many more battles to do out here so I think a few more visits are in order. (I hope the travel account will allow it!)

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +1

      Thanks! All of us at the club were extremely jealous of Steve's trip to the lodge, as it looked stunning over there!

  • @mr.e1944
    @mr.e1944 4 года назад +2

    Great video guys! I love that you added all that history to give a complete understanding of the conflict. I just wish I could have played the game with you. Years ago I came to Army Group York. You said I had to get an ok to come out and play but even after I sent several emails no one responded. I feel like the kid who never got to play in the baseball game because he never got picked. So sad! Glad you are all doing well and appear to be having fun.

  • @stevenmoens8047
    @stevenmoens8047 4 года назад +1

    I recon it would be difficult to achieve a British victory if you’re not allowed to change the two most stupid decisions made by British command: splitting your already vastly outnumbered force in two, and not reinforcing your camp which would have slowed down the Zulu’s charges. Of course, i’m not familiar with the rules you used, so it may very well be that that would not have made much of a difference. That put aside, i also recon that Durnford’s cavalry would have been able to be used much more effectively by using their greater mobility to circle around the Zulu left flank and harass and possibly demoralize them from the rear. The longer you can keep ranged units out of melee, the better. I also wonder if the British knew about the Boers’ tested tactic of using their transport wagons as a barricade. Are there rules for those? Furthermore, would it not be more effective to form not one single long firing line, but several consecutive shorter ones, each one behind the others, so that if your front line gets engaged, it can withdraw and allow the rear lines to fire? If the rules would allow that, that’s what i would try to do. I still estimate the British would ultimately have lost the battle, but at a much higher cost to the Zulus.

  • @JohnnyH1982
    @JohnnyH1982 4 года назад +5

    Oh muh Jeebus, you guys got me on the "hookey" with this series!

  • @nickperry45
    @nickperry45 2 года назад +1

    Brilliant video and great battle. Well done guys, but really how could the British win against Tony Stark.

  • @sirus976
    @sirus976 4 года назад +3

    Hey there little wars can you do another american revolution battle?

  • @shockerck4465
    @shockerck4465 4 года назад +2

    This was still a near pyrrhic victory for the Zulu, their casualties were very high. I think Zulu attained 1 more victory, again with high casualties, and then were crushed in every other battle.
    Zulu losses were unsustainable. They lost the war.
    =========
    Battle of Khambula was one crushing defeat.
    Nearly 21,000 Zulu , many from Islandlwanna vs 2,000 British, including 500 cavalry, 200 African Auxillary, also 6 cannons. The Zulu could not penetrate a defended position and were routed completely, then chased down for miles by cavalry. British dead/wounded were 60-80 while Zulu dead were 800 at the battle site with many more chased down and unrecovered or later died or were crippled by the Martini Henry. 2,000+ casualties for the Zulu.

  • @josephg3231
    @josephg3231 4 года назад +1

    Why are no women playing in this game?????

  • @philRminiatures
    @philRminiatures 4 года назад +4

    Looks great, lovely minis, terrain, explanations...and atmosphere!

  • @rodneip7077
    @rodneip7077 4 года назад +4

    Awesome battle, great to see you going over to the location and being true to the history behind it.

  • @susandurnford3830
    @susandurnford3830 4 года назад +3

    I’m going to put my hat in the ring and say I am a Durnford fan, then I may be biased - Richard Durnford

  • @weon_absoluto
    @weon_absoluto 4 года назад +3

    Love the intro so funny keep the good work and make the independence of Chile against Spain

  • @AnglersHuntersTrvl
    @AnglersHuntersTrvl 4 года назад +2

    "I stay in the square and roll high" Words to live by or in this case not so much. Still great observation.

  • @tabletopgeneralsde310
    @tabletopgeneralsde310 4 года назад +3

    You are crazy and i love it. Good job, amazing game and awesome that you where at the real location.

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +3

      Thanks! A dream come true being able to visit such an iconic battlefield on the other side of the world!

  • @landkomtur6416
    @landkomtur6416 4 года назад +2

    Video is 3 Hours up and tzhe comment section is already brimming. Well done lads.

  • @michaelnewbanks2569
    @michaelnewbanks2569 4 года назад +2

    Wish I could like it twice! Love the Osprey war games rules. I've gotten a lot of fun out of Lion Rampant, Dragon Rampant, Men who would be Kings and Rebels and Patriots. For my own large battle tweek of the rules i'm planning a Lion Rampant game where each stand has 9 figures on it otherwise playing the game the same. It just looks bigger! A cavalry unit of 6 stands has 54 figures in it!

  • @danepatterson8107
    @danepatterson8107 4 года назад +2

    I've been binging your content. Honestly you put so much work into this battle it deserves an award. Bravo!

  • @benjaminjohnson628
    @benjaminjohnson628 4 года назад +1

    Next, Little Big Horn?, or Gate Pah

  • @Sigismund74
    @Sigismund74 4 года назад +2

    Saw this, immediately subscribed. I love to see this recreations of fameus battles. Good work, Well played.

  • @FieldMarshalYT
    @FieldMarshalYT 4 года назад +1

    Man, I wish I had wargamers where I lived, the miniature hobby is dead here, I have to travel far in order to do stuff like this.

  • @willcorlett7630
    @willcorlett7630 4 года назад +6

    For anyone interested I recommend they read Mike Snook's book How Can Man Die Better, which is an in depth look at the British at the battle. It is an unique take , that will and is not popular with Durnford fans - he perhaps is as responsible for the defeat as Chelmsford in some ways. Also highly readable is the companion piece, Like Woves in the Fold about Rorke's Drift.
    Both books are very readable and excellent resource for anyone interested

    • @CBfrmcardiff
      @CBfrmcardiff 4 года назад +1

      How can men die better... "Than facing hopeless odds, / For the ashes of their fathers / And the temples of their gods."
      When former colour-sergeant Bourne was interviewed by the BBC in about 1930, quoting Macaulay was his way of responding to a question about how he felt when recalling these events.
      If I recall directly, which perhaps I don't.

    • @4343george
      @4343george 4 года назад

      I too read Mike Snooks book ..I do feel that Durnsford did bear some blame...But I feel that he was thrown under the bus by Chelmsford who should bear most of the blame for this disaster

    • @4343george
      @4343george 4 года назад

      In addition...there was plenty of blame to go around AND thi was a VERY entertaining and informative video.

  • @jpavlvs
    @jpavlvs 4 года назад +2

    There was a problem with the cartridges made with too thin brass jamming and slowing the fire. Broken cartridges are found in the British firing positions.

  • @markgrehan3726
    @markgrehan3726 4 года назад +3

    A fantastic video and It's scary to see how easily the desires of one man can get two countries into a bloody war.

  • @HeavyH2006
    @HeavyH2006 4 года назад +2

    A great ‘Washing of the Spears’ game!! That campaign is a childhood fav. Many thanks. Looking forward to your next episode.

  • @FatalHappiness18
    @FatalHappiness18 3 года назад +1

    I just found these videos and i have to say they are great i love your production and the battles are great Im sure youve heard from others as these are old but the inside look at the stats and rolls of the game is cool.

  • @jamesmartin3431
    @jamesmartin3431 4 года назад +3

    POP that one someone. The thin red line buckles but never breaks. Great Britain claims it's name by being Great always has been always will be. In the trench by your shoulder all you need is a BRITISH soldier.

  • @binkbink90
    @binkbink90 4 года назад +3

    I strangely just found this and I love it. Awesome vid!

  • @SanBrunoBeacon
    @SanBrunoBeacon 3 года назад +1

    Your hard work paid off by producing this excellent recreation of this significant historic battle!

  • @SonicSledgehammerStudio
    @SonicSledgehammerStudio 4 года назад +1

    Absolutely fascinating! Really looking forward to getting to see this series unfold as well.

  • @johnwheet7037
    @johnwheet7037 3 года назад +1

    The attention to detail makes this work. No telling how much hard work you guys put into this to bring us these wonderful videos...Thx

  • @edwardstabletoparmies955
    @edwardstabletoparmies955 4 года назад +1

    Great to see all of this. However, gentlemen...one cannot be in a sticky wicket, one is on a sticky wicket. :)

  • @Pengi_SMILES
    @Pengi_SMILES 4 года назад +2

    Brilliant game, one of the best you've done. Really looking forward to the other videos from South Africa.

  • @billburnside4364
    @billburnside4364 4 года назад +2

    yet an other Fantastic game, Thanks L W TV keep up the Great work

  • @thesebastanian567
    @thesebastanian567 3 года назад +1

    That was awesome! I’d love for you guys to make another Baccus video! Looking forward to your next upload!

  • @heckinmemes6430
    @heckinmemes6430 3 года назад +1

    ZULU ATTACK!
    Fight back to back!

  • @billmasters385
    @billmasters385 4 года назад +1

    Definitely a smart idea to form a square. It held up very well and truly would have changed the course of the battle. Not sure it would have made any ultimate difference, but it would have altered the battle calculus quite a bit.

  • @RantTheRetort
    @RantTheRetort 4 года назад +3

    nice, I have a version of this battle in the mail. :)

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +3

      Then you have a lot of Zulu painting in your future! Good luck!

  • @Vlad65WFPReviews
    @Vlad65WFPReviews 4 года назад +1

    Gentlemen, Tremendous effort on all counts - table, video production values and general presentation. I did find it interesting that the Zulus needed to roll as high as 7 on two die to be able to charge home, as that leaves generous odds to fail and stand flatfooted in the face of persistent volleys; I wonder if this was a scenario balancing choice. Again, thanks for raising the bar in the presentation of our hobby.

  • @ryanjackson9735
    @ryanjackson9735 3 года назад +1

    Evening, I have just watched my first ‘battle report’ with this one and came to you through a quick vid you did a while ago through a RUclips algorithm.
    You guys make throughly entertaining and engaging reports, just enough content of historical information to keep it paced evenly and drawing you into research tabs on search engines.
    Thanks and I will be watching MANY more.
    Stay safe all. 😎

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  3 года назад +1

      That is awesome to hear. Thanks, Ryan. We have plenty more battles on the channel and hope the RUclips gods help connect us with other history buffs who may not know what this hobby is quite yet!

  • @esr243
    @esr243 4 года назад +1

    This is great ! There is nothing as informative, and entertaining as Little Wars TV - Spread the word ...

  • @Anvilarm07
    @Anvilarm07 4 года назад +1

    Excellent batrep. I look forward to the video on making the board and painting the minis. You guys just get better and better.

  • @warrentomlinson3424
    @warrentomlinson3424 4 года назад +1

    Sawubona! Really enjoyed this video of my province. If you get the chance have a look at the battle of Congella in Port Natal (aka Durban). Love 6mm wargaming!

  • @nowthisnamestaken
    @nowthisnamestaken 4 года назад +1

    I noticed many comparisons to the Big horn and General Custer . Both Chelmsford and Custard's (yeah I said it) biggest fear was the enemy getting away. "How can I prevent these tribal people from fleeing the battlefield?" The answer was to 'fan out'-each commander was part of a three prong effort to start with. Each commander then broke his already reduced sized force into smaller parts-Custer into three or four parts. Each smaller part was unable to support the other in both battles.
    Also in a situation like this if I was a Zulu commander it seems like the simple solution to this is to harry them by day making them chase you to and fro then attack at 2AM in a human wave from all directions. One and Done.
    It may be Interesting to note that the battle of Rorkes Drift came on the heels of this battle. The Married Zulus, held in reserve wanted some victory of their own and marched on the drift for the fun of it. Many a Zulu child was orphaned there.
    Zulus are interesting militarily that they divided their units by age and by marital status. The units involved in the massacre were the unmarried youths. The young ones are the horns- they move quickly. The chest are older. The married were held in reserve so then they 'drifted'.

  • @benjialvarez5560
    @benjialvarez5560 4 года назад +1

    You should do a battle of Stalingrad

  • @soliisoul3172
    @soliisoul3172 4 года назад +1

    Well done gentlemen. No time for tea during this episode. Enjoyed the unexpected lead in as well as added commentary explaining the board goings on. Keep it coming.

  • @Phoneyjoker
    @Phoneyjoker 4 года назад +2

    Hmm I think my definition of "Colonial Period" and "Worst defeat the British Army suffered differ from yours".

    • @whiterosecicero4802
      @whiterosecicero4802 4 года назад

      Joshua Davis which one do you think is the worst defeat then? Just curious. Personally I think the surrender of Singapore during ww2. (Even if it is rather late)

    • @Phoneyjoker
      @Phoneyjoker 4 года назад

      @@whiterosecicero4802 Well it depends on your definition of "Colonial Period" In my definition Surrender of Singapore or York Town would prob be the top two without specific order.

    • @Phoneyjoker
      @Phoneyjoker 4 года назад

      @@whiterosecicero4802 as a side not I consider the Colonial Period to end with decolonization after WW2

    • @thedourat4463
      @thedourat4463 4 года назад

      Good morning! Just a thought or two: the battle is regarded certainly as one of, if not the worst defeat for a number of reasons. The first is that the enemy was armed largely without firearms and secondly that an entire army wash pretty much totally wiped out in the space of 2 hours! York town and Singapore were at the hands of comparable (in some cases better equipped) forces.

    • @Phoneyjoker
      @Phoneyjoker 4 года назад +1

      @@thedourat4463 I think army is a bit of a strong word here. Colum I think would be a more accurate one. I think the casualties were about 1,300 of the 8,000 man invasion or less than 17% of the overall invading force. Hard to call that an army in my opinion. I almost always see Singapore rated as a worse blunder than Isandlwana, and I've read many lists that don't even include Isandlwana among the five worth British Military disasters.

  • @craiglove4453
    @craiglove4453 3 года назад +1

    Great game and great reporting guys. Good editing and pacing. Thank you.

  • @robertschriek812
    @robertschriek812 4 года назад +1

    Thanks guys, great game and love the way you spice it up with local color and a sense of humor, really enjoyed this one!!!

  • @shockerck4465
    @shockerck4465 4 года назад +1

    Awesome game! Ive been looking forward to this. Please play other battles from the Anglo-Zulu War besides Isandlwana & Rorkes Drift- those are the two best known. I looked on your site but did not see the modified rules- maybe not up yet? Thank you for this!

    • @LittleWarsTV
      @LittleWarsTV  4 года назад +2

      We intend to post them soon! They absolutely will be made available.

  • @anxiousandworrying1
    @anxiousandworrying1 4 года назад +1

    Amazing Game, while we are on the subject of colonial armies getting stomped do St. Clair's defeat next.

  • @gundamace2037
    @gundamace2037 4 года назад +1

    LMAO empty travel account Piggy!

  • @reglavcor
    @reglavcor 4 года назад +2

    Great video. Loved the opening of the video.

  • @reglavcor
    @reglavcor 4 года назад +5

    The movie Midway opens this weekend. I hope you guys review the movie from a wargaming perspective.

  • @raynightshade8317
    @raynightshade8317 4 года назад +2

    Zulus attack, fight back to back!

  • @jmupp2876
    @jmupp2876 4 года назад +1

    I've never been too interested in this subset of history, however you all made this a very enjoyable video.
    Great work!

  • @designation7395
    @designation7395 4 года назад +1

    9:00 If you for some reason want to skip the history, here’s the button. ( Maybe good for rewatches )

  • @decam5329
    @decam5329 4 года назад +1

    'SON OF A' (bugal plays)
    Classic

  • @deathguarddavegoogley2022
    @deathguarddavegoogley2022 4 года назад +3

    20,000 against 2,000 - brave choice for a war game! I salute you.

    • @shockerck4465
      @shockerck4465 4 года назад

      This was still a near pyrrhic victory for the Zulu. They suffered numerous casualties. Zulu attained 1 more victory in the war to come and then were crushed in several battles.

  • @Sugarmountaincondo
    @Sugarmountaincondo 9 месяцев назад

    The statement about not being able to appreciate a battle until you visit the field is oh so true. I have visited many in my lifetime, from Spanish stone forts in Florida to wooden French forts in Canada, American Revolutionary-Civil War battlefields. And to cover a spectrum, at Gettysburg I was just floored at how massive an area was covered during the 3-days and on the converse, at the battle of Cowpens, I was amazed at how small an area it encompassed. So, if you ever have the chance or can make a plan to go and visit any historical battlefield, please do so. Great educational experience for kids too.
    I am watching your entire series from inception until now and I am amazed at the spectrum of battles you have covered. I hope you guys followed up with a Rorke's Drift battle sometime after this one. I am skipping the Star Wars episode because I just don't buy into fantasy games.

  • @talesfromshedhq5208
    @talesfromshedhq5208 4 года назад +3

    Beginning is brilliant 😂😂

  • @haroldmorgan7381
    @haroldmorgan7381 11 месяцев назад

    The Ft. Leavenworth SIMSATS did Zulus a while back at the U.S. Army museum on base. They fought 2 battles on 2 tables - The Relief Column Battle & The Rourk's Church Battle - Table 1 - the Relief Column of cavalry, infantry, wagons, and artillery marched down the valley road between bushy hills when 5 Zulu tribe-groups attacked from the front and both sides ! The lead Brit cavalry was able to ride by the Zulus blocking and ride on down the road to get to Table 2 ( Rourk's Church). The rest of the Brit infantry formed up at each wagon defense position and were over-whelmed and fell back to the next wagon as the Zulus burnt each one and then advanced to the next - when the Brits got to the last wagon where the 2 artillery were there was a Gatling Gun in the last wagon with lots of ammo - the Zulu mass broke here ! Table 2 - the Brit infantry behind the stone walls here were attacked by 3 Zulu tribe-groups in over the walls melees - the Zulus also had a few muskets and their leaders on a close hill firing in over the walls - when the Zulus broke thru the wall the Brits fell back into the stone church to just defend each window and doorway in melee combat ( a last stand) - just then the Brit cavalry showed up on table 2 and the Zulu leaders signaled a withdrawl to honor the Brit's brave defense !!

  • @johnwayneeverett6263
    @johnwayneeverett6263 4 года назад

    SON OF A .....BEST VID EVER VOTED FOR BY ME BUDDY'S WELL DONE BRAVO...... WILL MET YOU GUYS THIS SUMMER ....THAT IS MT BUCKET LIST NO. 1...LOL...Really nice i just am so happy , I dont watch tv ... just tube like to learn ...AND HOW WITH YOU GUYS I WILL DONATE THIS SUMMER ...when i get my law suite 9 years we won 8 operations o enough of that just so happy to know others care about our history of this world we live in...guys dont ever get mad at each other every one of you are a part of something bigger than you will ever know....later...keepem coming..

  • @beaumartinez8705
    @beaumartinez8705 4 года назад +1

    I loved that opening! Zulu were always going to win. The Brits where too few in number.

  • @trooperdgb9722
    @trooperdgb9722 4 года назад

    Interesting rifle...but not a military issue Martini Henry - that lever is quite different! (which BTW was 45 calibre, not .577.... the designation 577-450 was due to the round being a necked down version of an earlier 577 cartridge....)

  • @trooperdgb9722
    @trooperdgb9722 4 года назад

    Fantastic place to visit. Isandlwana tour one day, Rorkes Drift the next...Very impressive commemoration of BOTH sides.... Staying at the Fugitives Drift Lodge... made possible only (and somewhat sadly - for the locals) by the weakness of the Rand against the AUD. As far as Rorkes Drift goes, remember the attack on the mission station was unauthorised. (It was in British territory and the Zulu king was determined not to give the Brits the excuse that he had "invaded".) Had the full weight of the Zulu forces been thrown in its pretty clear what the result would have been.